Bro that release formula was so damn good. I love being technical about that sort of thing. I can generally feel where it sounds good but knowing the true quarters eights and sixteenths is choice. Thanks a lot.
This is great. Thanks. And thanks for showing the bertom eq analyzer. I've been looking for just that so I can make sure the eq I'm using is the right one for the situation. Excellent!
I am confused about when to use multi-band compression versus expansion on the mix/master bus. Most videos talk about lessening the dynamics through compression, not increasing them through expansion. Are both compression and expansion sometimes used in tandem--tame the "wild" transients then add back some controlled dynamics where needed?
Well if something in a particular frequency range needs to be more punchy, thumpy, more attack, transients, you're going to want to expand those areas. Every mix is different. Expanding isn't always necessary but I do tend to expand certain high fequencies and some lower ones for extra attack and punchier low end. The reason you do this before your limiting is because the compression and the limiter are essentially helping you get to a certain overall level and keep the general dynamics of the song within a certain range. Sometimes you'll need a multiband if certain fequencies are too dynamic, just like you'll need an expander if certain fequencies aren't dynamic enough. Make sense?
Hey Sam! Thanks for watching and leaving a question! Sometimes mixes have already been compressed enough, so to add more wouldn't help. When you find that too much compression has happened, some multi-band expansion can be really helpful! I'd say try it out and experiment with it - I always find that that's the best way to understand something. SageAudio.com
Thanks for watching! We took 60000 divided by 86 (the BPM) and got 697.67ms. 697.67 /4 = 174ms (a 16th note). 68ms was supposed to be 86ms (a 32nd note). Sorry about that! SageAudio.com
Hey Chestii! Thanks for watching! It was 697ms, divided by 4 is 174! We used 174ms as the release time. Also, I think we used 87ms as well. I believe this was in the demonstration. SageAudio.com
Hey Louie! typically you set the release as that number, but you might want to use an 8th or 16th note instead of the quarter note you'd get from this equation. SageAudio.com
@@sageaudio Hi there. Would like to clarify more. Should we set this value (/ 8th / 16th) that comes out of the equation as the release time, or should we set this value minus the attack (/ pre-delay) as the release time? For example, if my BPM is 100 there by yielding 600ms for quarter note, would it be a correct approach to use an attack / pre-delay of 150ms and a release time of 450ms such that it totals to 600ms? Please let me know. Thank you!
i’ve read in many places that attack and release in compressors aren’t actually measurements of time especially with vintage emulations. So 10ms isn’t going to be consistent across compressors. so if that’s the case, what you’re proposing won’t actually work?
Hey Epithet Music! Thanks for watching! In some instances that's true - in that the attack and release values don't always directly relate to milliseconds (like the 1176; however the time is still measured in milliseconds, but the values used are 1 - 7). If you ever see ms though when using an attack or release you know that the measurement is in milliseconds. SageAudio.com
Hi Epithet. I often wondered about consistency across plugins until I found a free (demo) tool by DDMF called "PluginDoctor". It analyzes EQ effects as well as compressor attack/release. In short, compressors that use milliseconds as units "do their thing" in the same amount of time. Compressors that don't use milliseconds can do wonky things, so avoid them in time critical situations. FYI - EQ's are a totally different story! Many (I repeat - many) EQs produce different results given the same frequency, Q, dB settings. That drove me nuts for years as I tried learning from TH-cam mixing tutorials using my DAW's EQ but not getting the same result.
Won't linear phase introduce preringing? Plus why is it necessary to care about phase shifts, isn't everything on the master shifting it's phase at the same time. Why would any phase cancellation occur?
Thanks for watching! You might have to worry about pre-ringing but only at higher linear phase settings. You're right! Since you're working with a stereo track, everything is being shifted at the same time, but this can result in unwanted changes to the frequency response near the frequencies that you're altering. We detail this a bit better in this video: th-cam.com/users/video2_v4VrPkzec/
Hey Miguel! I'd say use the techniques here but without bumping 2k (unless that improves your track for one reason or another.) Thanks for watching! SageAudio.com
Hi Johan. A normal HPF cuts mid and sides, so in this case, it would "double cut" the sides since a side HPF was also used. (i.e. The normal HPF would produce a steeper slope than you expect.)
Hey Johan! The mid one that's up to 20Hz, cuts out signal that you wouldn't be able to hear otherwise. This gives you more headroom without having to sacrifice anything audible! Also, lower frequencies mask those above them, so by cutting it we're making the frequencies above it more audible. SageAudio.com
Though the linear phase hipass advice is probably good, I’m pretty unhappy that you didn’t even mention that linear phase filters bring their own problem of pre-ringing. In some cases could this not be even worse than the phase shift??
Phase shifts caused by High Pass (Low cut) filters in zero latency may even WASTE headroom (instead of gaining), isn't it? So yeah, it's wise to use linear phase EQ (unless having it's own side-effects). Thanks for the advice! This is the video which led me to concern about wastage of headroom by filters. For anyone to whom it's useful, here is the link:- th-cam.com/video/4oefH9yR-50/w-d-xo.html
Hey Dulmin! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! It's definitely possible for the shifts caused by zero latency filters to amplify frequencies you don't want amplified. Good point! SageAudio.com
but you should also be aware that linear phase eq also has it's own issues such as pre-ringing which is particularly damaging to low frequency information. regular eq and linear phase are both tools to be used with advantages to each
Your first tip is absolutly useless. (taking a full bar as an example) Compressor takes time for react to the signal.. (this depends of threshold and attack time) so, never you will start to compress at the begining of the bar, hence, you can calculate what ever you want, but release never ends in the end of bar. If you had a trained ear you could hear it in the same way that pre ring can be heard when using linear phase high pass filters. Stop trying to cheat. Start learning :)
Thanks for watching! You're right that the attack determines the amount of time before the compressor reacts (but the threshold does not). If your attack is 0ms, then the compressor reacts nearly immediately, making the technique useful. Additionally, you could combine the attack and release times to equal a particular note. For example if a quarter note = 200ms, an attack of 50ms would be 1/16th, then you could set your release accordingly. Of course use your ears like you said, but math helps. SageAudio.com
@@sageaudio the attack determines the amount of time before the compressor reacts (but the threshold does not). OH, Really? Threshold not? So you have your threshold in -12 db(for example), but in a part of a song, kick and bass is missing, only piano, vocals and snare sounds, so, kick or bass dont shoot the threshold now, but, the rest of the instruments? Maybe some note of the piano can do it, maybe son peak of the vocal.... Where is your magic trick now ? I'll tell you, magical tricks in audio are for noobs and don't exist. They should be learning how a professional works, but instead they waste their time looking for magic tricks. And then I have to explain them why they should stop consuming cheap content like this. On the one hand it's fine, because they pay me to dismantle magic tricks like yours. But on the other hand it sad.. because there are many people wasting their money and time. PD: Ratio determinates de amount of time before the compressor reacts too. Now your brain exploded.
Bro that release formula was so damn good. I love being technical about that sort of thing. I can generally feel where it sounds good but knowing the true quarters eights and sixteenths is choice. Thanks a lot.
Awesome! I'm glad you liked the video and enjoyed some of the technical aspects!
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Amazing song, I like the upward compression values used.
Awesome - thanks Wade!
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Nice 👍 job Hi dear how to mix vocal in the last mix down the vocal track is between in the mix or in master project thanks
Wow, a beautiful song. And the mix is gorgeous.
Thanks for watching!
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Real Teacher ♥️on TH-cam
This is solid advice.
Thanks for watching!
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Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
What song is that? It's lovely!
It's called 'Summer Breeze' by Emorie
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@@sageaudio Excellent! Thank you!
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Great insight and instruction 🙏🏿
Thanks for watching Jalil!
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Tqs sir steve to help.. My vocal not bad hope help my song sound..
Thanks for watching Moses!
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Love the videos. Hope your channel grows. You help us a lot. Thanks
Greetings from Germany
Michael
Thanks for watching Michael! Glad you're finding the videos helpful!
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I love your videos
Thanks for watching!
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Interesting stuff. Thanks for the post. 😊😊
Thanks for watching!
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This is great. Thanks. And thanks for showing the bertom eq analyzer. I've been looking for just that so I can make sure the eq I'm using is the right one for the situation. Excellent!
Thanks for watching Brian! Glad to hear that the curve analyzer is something you've been looking for!
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Wow! This is one of the most beneficial sets of advise that I didn't know I needed. Looking forward to trying these techniques.
Awesome! Hope it works out well for you!
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Your good. Very very good. Thanks.
Thanks Self-law! glad you like the videos!
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Thank you for sharing sir new supporters here
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
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Thx for tuto. I love the song you use. Is there a link to listen it ?
when i grow up i wanna be sage audio 💖
Haha thanks for watching!
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That's great!! Thanks !
Awesome! Thank you for watching!
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When you said to count out the bpm etc and it showed 697.67 ms, how come you typed in 68 on attack and 174 on release? How does that go together?
Thanks for watching Chyde! I got 174ms by dividing 697.67 by 4. As for 68, I meant to type in 86, which is 1/8th 697.67ms.
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Very good thank you
Thanks for watching Salah!
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Good Information !
Thanks for watching - glad you liked it!
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Good One Thx
Thanks for watching!
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You are the master of master😀
Haha thanks Haridhan! Glad you're liking the channel!
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I am confused about when to use multi-band compression versus expansion on the mix/master bus. Most videos talk about lessening the dynamics through compression, not increasing them through expansion. Are both compression and expansion sometimes used in tandem--tame the "wild" transients then add back some controlled dynamics where needed?
Well if something in a particular frequency range needs to be more punchy, thumpy, more attack, transients, you're going to want to expand those areas. Every mix is different. Expanding isn't always necessary but I do tend to expand certain high fequencies and some lower ones for extra attack and punchier low end. The reason you do this before your limiting is because the compression and the limiter are essentially helping you get to a certain overall level and keep the general dynamics of the song within a certain range. Sometimes you'll need a multiband if certain fequencies are too dynamic, just like you'll need an expander if certain fequencies aren't dynamic enough. Make sense?
Hey Sam! Thanks for watching and leaving a question! Sometimes mixes have already been compressed enough, so to add more wouldn't help. When you find that too much compression has happened, some multi-band expansion can be really helpful! I'd say try it out and experiment with it - I always find that that's the best way to understand something.
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@ 2:03, you show the result of 69767 ms. Then you type in: Attack 68ms, Release 174ms. I don't see the correlation. Am I missing something?
Thanks for watching! We took 60000 divided by 86 (the BPM) and got 697.67ms. 697.67 /4 = 174ms (a 16th note). 68ms was supposed to be 86ms (a 32nd note). Sorry about that!
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Damn.. you are so underrated man! Appreciate ur efforts on doing this! 🙏
Thanks for watching Ashok!
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sage audio strikes again!❤️🔥🔥
Thanks for watching Johan! Glad you liked this one.
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Hello. Can You please tell what the song is examples ?????? The voice soooo nice !!
Sure! It's called 'Summer Breeze' by Emorie
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hi, where did you set the 600 ms : attack or release?
even when divided by 4 it is over 100 ms (too long in general)
Can you detail more?
Hey Chestii! Thanks for watching! It was 697ms, divided by 4 is 174! We used 174ms as the release time. Also, I think we used 87ms as well. I believe this was in the demonstration.
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Best FREE Mastering SECRETS Revealed! Great! Now reveal the artist behind your beautiful example song!
Thanks for watching! It's called 'Summer Breeze' by Emorie
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Thanks!
Very nice...
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment!
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Wait so when you divide 60000 by the project BPM do you set that as the release or attack time? Or both?
Hey Louie! typically you set the release as that number, but you might want to use an 8th or 16th note instead of the quarter note you'd get from this equation.
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@@sageaudio thank you so much! What typically should I set my attack time to?
@@sageaudio Hi there. Would like to clarify more. Should we set this value (/ 8th / 16th) that comes out of the equation as the release time, or should we set this value minus the attack (/ pre-delay) as the release time? For example, if my BPM is 100 there by yielding 600ms for quarter note, would it be a correct approach to use an attack / pre-delay of 150ms and a release time of 450ms such that it totals to 600ms? Please let me know. Thank you!
i’ve read in many places that attack and release in compressors aren’t actually measurements of time especially with vintage emulations. So 10ms isn’t going to be consistent across compressors. so if that’s the case, what you’re proposing won’t actually work?
Hey Epithet Music! Thanks for watching! In some instances that's true - in that the attack and release values don't always directly relate to milliseconds (like the 1176; however the time is still measured in milliseconds, but the values used are 1 - 7).
If you ever see ms though when using an attack or release you know that the measurement is in milliseconds.
SageAudio.com
Hi Epithet. I often wondered about consistency across plugins until I found a free (demo) tool by DDMF called "PluginDoctor". It analyzes EQ effects as well as compressor attack/release. In short, compressors that use milliseconds as units "do their thing" in the same amount of time. Compressors that don't use milliseconds can do wonky things, so avoid them in time critical situations.
FYI - EQ's are a totally different story! Many (I repeat - many) EQs produce different results given the same frequency, Q, dB settings. That drove me nuts for years as I tried learning from TH-cam mixing tutorials using my DAW's EQ but not getting the same result.
Please. Name of song. ..really like sweet
Hey Dona! It's called 'Summer Breeze' by Emorie
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Won't linear phase introduce preringing? Plus why is it necessary to care about phase shifts, isn't everything on the master shifting it's phase at the same time. Why would any phase cancellation occur?
Thanks for watching! You might have to worry about pre-ringing but only at higher linear phase settings. You're right! Since you're working with a stereo track, everything is being shifted at the same time, but this can result in unwanted changes to the frequency response near the frequencies that you're altering. We detail this a bit better in this video: th-cam.com/users/video2_v4VrPkzec/
Thanks for answering guys!
Thanks for this. How can l apply thiz to a track without vocals or a beat/"riddim"?
Hey Miguel! I'd say use the techniques here but without bumping 2k (unless that improves your track for one reason or another.) Thanks for watching!
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Hi why is the mid side eq used ? the side one makes everthing mono but the other one?
Hi Johan. A normal HPF cuts mid and sides, so in this case, it would "double cut" the sides since a side HPF was also used. (i.e. The normal HPF would produce a steeper slope than you expect.)
@@DanUpdegraff ooh nice thanks mate!
Hey Johan! The mid one that's up to 20Hz, cuts out signal that you wouldn't be able to hear otherwise. This gives you more headroom without having to sacrifice anything audible! Also, lower frequencies mask those above them, so by cutting it we're making the frequencies above it more audible.
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Where can I find this song?!?
Sorry I'm not sure! I made this one a long time ago. Thanks for watching!
Good
Thank you!
hi sir how to get this plug in
Thanks for watching the video! You can download it online or purchase it directly from the developer!
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Aloha! My name is Sean and I work with Aixdsp. What's the best way the get our software to you for review?
Hey Sean! Thanks for reaching out. I'd recommend contacting Steve - here's how to contact him directly: www.sageaudio.com/contact.php
@@sageaudio Thanks for the response! I sent a message on your site!
Though the linear phase hipass advice is probably good, I’m pretty unhappy that you didn’t even mention that linear phase filters bring their own problem of pre-ringing. In some cases could this not be even worse than the phase shift??
Was this sponsored by fabfilter?
We wish! But no, we just use those since they're good for demonstrations and sound good.
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Phase shifts caused by High Pass (Low cut) filters in zero latency may even WASTE headroom (instead of gaining), isn't it? So yeah, it's wise to use linear phase EQ (unless having it's own side-effects). Thanks for the advice!
This is the video which led me to concern about wastage of headroom by filters. For anyone to whom it's useful, here is the link:- th-cam.com/video/4oefH9yR-50/w-d-xo.html
Hey Dulmin! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! It's definitely possible for the shifts caused by zero latency filters to amplify frequencies you don't want amplified. Good point!
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but you should also be aware that linear phase eq also has it's own issues such as pre-ringing which is particularly damaging to low frequency information. regular eq and linear phase are both tools to be used with advantages to each
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Thanks for watching MANGER BOY BEATS!
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I want you to do a tutorial, how to limit your beat with stock vst and also fabfilter pro l2.
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Thanks for watching!
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Thanks for watching Rev!
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Reese Bass won't say you thanks if you cut low end in SIDE.
Thanks for watching!
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Sync to bpm???......
Cries in polyrhythm
Hahah that can definitely be a challenge! Thanks for watching!
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I will never spend time in making mathematical decisions to sync anything, sorry but too much talking about multiplying numbers and digits, useless
All good! Thanks for watching regardless!
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Your first tip is absolutly useless. (taking a full bar as an example) Compressor takes time for react to the signal.. (this depends of threshold and attack time) so, never you will start to compress at the begining of the bar, hence, you can calculate what ever you want, but release never ends in the end of bar.
If you had a trained ear you could hear it in the same way that pre ring can be heard when using linear phase high pass filters.
Stop trying to cheat. Start learning :)
Thanks for watching! You're right that the attack determines the amount of time before the compressor reacts (but the threshold does not). If your attack is 0ms, then the compressor reacts nearly immediately, making the technique useful. Additionally, you could combine the attack and release times to equal a particular note. For example if a quarter note = 200ms, an attack of 50ms would be 1/16th, then you could set your release accordingly. Of course use your ears like you said, but math helps.
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@@sageaudio the attack determines the amount of time before the compressor reacts (but the threshold does not).
OH, Really? Threshold not?
So you have your threshold in -12 db(for example), but in a part of a song, kick and bass is missing, only piano, vocals and snare sounds, so, kick or bass dont shoot the threshold now, but, the rest of the instruments? Maybe some note of the piano can do it, maybe son peak of the vocal.... Where is your magic trick now ? I'll tell you, magical tricks in audio are for noobs and don't exist. They should be learning how a professional works, but instead they waste their time looking for magic tricks. And then I have to explain them why they should stop consuming cheap content like this.
On the one hand it's fine, because they pay me to dismantle magic tricks like yours. But on the other hand it sad.. because there are many people wasting their money and time.
PD: Ratio determinates de amount of time before the compressor reacts too. Now your brain exploded.