Brewing Mesopotamian Beer - 4,000 Years Old

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  • @TastingHistory
    @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +826

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    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Time travel via recipe!

    • @julietsmith5925
      @julietsmith5925 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Caudle.

    • @sonipitts
      @sonipitts ปีที่แล้ว +30

      One note about the sweetness - the yeast will continue to eat sugar and make alcohol until they either run out of sugar to eat or make so much alcohol they kill themselves off (yet another species that didn't learn the lesson of Enki's foibles). So if you want a sweeter beer (or mead, or cider) you generally have to "back-sweeten" the brew when you're ready to drink. But this will refeed the yeasties and create even more alcohol if allowed to sit. So do this at the point of serving unless you, too, wish to wake up one day to find you've given away all the gifts of civilization to a sneaky family member.

    • @medb1996
      @medb1996 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How 'bout comanche Roasted Grasshoppers?

    • @cosh5
      @cosh5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hindle wakes?

  • @CipherVoheim
    @CipherVoheim ปีที่แล้ว +4748

    The fact there is an archeologist out there who's sole motivation in his field is learning about beer makes my alcoholic brain very happy

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +480

      Right!?

    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 ปีที่แล้ว +270

      Dogfish Head Brewery makes "Midas Touch" beer, based on archaeological discovery from said Monarch's palace.
      That's right: King Midas's beer lives on, thanks to academic delving!

    • @godsowndrunk1118
      @godsowndrunk1118 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      I'll drink to that...🍺

    • @davidreynolds8865
      @davidreynolds8865 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      look up the writer Mark Forsyth, he has a book called "a short history or drunkenness".

    • @ab-ul1yz
      @ab-ul1yz ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@lairdcummings9092 But the cereals used back then still exist today? They didn't evolve or something?

  • @Alex_Bert_
    @Alex_Bert_ ปีที่แล้ว +5039

    Man, you made me remember about that trip I made in Nippur in 2532 B.C.E. with my servants and my lady Ninmah, and the beer served there was absolutely delicious! Cheers to you! 🍺🍺

    • @zeideerskine3462
      @zeideerskine3462 ปีที่แล้ว +392

      The trick is to have the prettiest young woman who is not currently pregnant or nursing spit in the vat to kick off the second fermentation. Then your beer shall be clear and sparkling.

    • @Kelvin_Foo
      @Kelvin_Foo ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hope the beer wasn't served in cups provided by Ea-Nasir, I've heard that man is a scoundrel of the highest order.

    • @scaper8
      @scaper8 ปีที่แล้ว +259

      Dude, I was there for that party! It was epic! We were drinking fresh sheep milk spiked with raw honey too! Good times. Gooood times.

    • @gardnerhill9073
      @gardnerhill9073 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Would have been a nicer party if that asshole Ea-Nasir hadn't been bitching about his freaking copper shipment the whole time.

    • @thesmatorexperience
      @thesmatorexperience ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Good times good times

  • @dannygarland6366
    @dannygarland6366 ปีที่แล้ว +642

    One reason it may not seem "sweet" is because sugar is so ubiquitous in our modern cooking that our palates become numb to it. Back during those times, they probably would pick up on a sweetness level that we wouldn't notice. I know whenever I go to Europe and come back home, regular American bread seems like cake.

    • @jhutfre4855
      @jhutfre4855 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      yep, sugar is a big disease and a problem of today... It numbs all other tastes in reality, when you give up sugar (as I did :)) all other food, for instance, vegetabiles and bread, start to taste better, also fruit and we see here, beer.

    • @tulipalll
      @tulipalll ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Agreed. I don't know why our bread here in the u.s. has to be so airy and full of sugar

    • @armintor2826
      @armintor2826 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Isnt american bread by technicality not considered bread by certain European standards? I recall being told that Subway bread is not legally bread in Ireland due to it's sugar content

    • @chloeedmund4350
      @chloeedmund4350 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      I started cutting back on sugar a few years ago and now the sweetness in vegetables like carrots stand out to me.

    • @jhutfre4855
      @jhutfre4855 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@chloeedmund4350 Don't want to go to far here, but acnes will also eventually disappear, and teeth remain healthy.

  • @BobHooker
    @BobHooker ปีที่แล้ว +304

    As an experienced brewer I find that anything at hand goes into beer: coffee, dark chocolate, dates, and just about any herb I find in the garden, so I imagine they probably did the same. Over the centuries, and with things passed from person to person, they would have tired just about everything. What you are making hear seems like how Slavic Kvas is made, though the added yeast and time turn it to beer. Once again love the show, nice to see somebody is even more obsessed with culinary restoration than myself.

    • @narveenaryaputri9759
      @narveenaryaputri9759 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I want to read more of your comments and information. This is a wonderful discovery. If you have the time, maybe a commentary video about your experiences !!!

    • @hicknopunk
      @hicknopunk ปีที่แล้ว

      I had Kvas this last new years eve. It's alright.

    • @seffffee1333
      @seffffee1333 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ancient Egyptians made psychedelic Beers lol

    • @rubiconnn
      @rubiconnn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wish there were more beers without hops added.

    • @thatampguy
      @thatampguy 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You should start a bakery called, The Grateful Bread.

  • @lairdcummings9092
    @lairdcummings9092 ปีที่แล้ว +846

    Beer is proof that Zoroaster loves us, and wants us to be happy.

    • @DrIgnacious
      @DrIgnacious ปีที่แล้ว +34

      You misspelled Arceus

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord ปีที่แล้ว +24

      From Bacchus to the future.

    • @nickking8994
      @nickking8994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Truth!

    • @WowUrFcknHxC
      @WowUrFcknHxC ปีที่แล้ว +20

      You misspelled Ahriman 😀 the dark chaos loves us. 😈

    • @typo4859
      @typo4859 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      *Ahuramazda

  • @lugal_pcz
    @lugal_pcz ปีที่แล้ว +1957

    As part of the team that just discovered a Sumerian tavern in southern Iraq, I love this video. Thanks so much!

    • @itsyaboi6628
      @itsyaboi6628 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      That sounds really cool! Are there any particular things you noticed?

    • @thecursed01
      @thecursed01 ปีที่แล้ว +121

      Fancy way of saying you got drunk in a bar on vacation XD

    • @aceroadholder2185
      @aceroadholder2185 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I guess the Pabst Blue Ribbon bas-relief on the wall was a dead give away.

    • @alfatejpblind6498
      @alfatejpblind6498 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Bless you iraqi archeologists, I can’t imagine how difficult and hard it must be to see so many of your country’s invaluable artefacts and treasures be destroyed after the american invasion

    • @thecursed01
      @thecursed01 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alfatejpblind6498 don't forget the stuff Isis blew up intentionally

  • @BlackCatRedScarf
    @BlackCatRedScarf ปีที่แล้ว +502

    You know things got serious when Max begins to rap in mesopotamian. 😂

    • @narveenaryaputri9759
      @narveenaryaputri9759 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      😅

    • @paveantelic7876
      @paveantelic7876 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ud reaaa moment

    • @Nikki-tx6kh
      @Nikki-tx6kh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I know this music band from Moldova, and I swear to you that could pass for one of their songs, easily. I could actually see them perform it.

    • @horrorspirit
      @horrorspirit 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Nikki-tx6kh what band?

    • @Nikki-tx6kh
      @Nikki-tx6kh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@horrorspirit Zdob si Zdub. I know them because they've the Moldovan entry in Eurovision three times

  • @debbiegilmour6171
    @debbiegilmour6171 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I think Hello Fresh should write their recipes in ancient Sumarian from now on.

    • @Texasmade74
      @Texasmade74 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sumerian*

    • @noelmajers6369
      @noelmajers6369 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      After this, a Hello Fresh Sumerian beer recipe is surely called for.

    • @obban12
      @obban12 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ancient Sumarian verse!

  • @adambarron4015
    @adambarron4015 ปีที่แล้ว +508

    A mead homebrewer here, with minor beer experience: the poem is a stupidly detailed recipe, if you can read it.
    Mix grains, aromatics, and excess sugar. Bake dry at malting temperatures. Rehydrate with the guarding dogs (aka yeast to stop corrupting bacteria (potentate)) at a warm temperature for one day. The mash is thus spread to cool and dry on mats. Mix into a vat which makes a pleasant sound (aka thin walled container to transfer the desert heat) with a wort of fruit juice and honey (aka melomel).
    Using modern methods, the fermentation would proceed for 2 weeks before being poured off the yeast and sediment into a collector vat (aka secondary fermentation).
    The statement of the onrush of the Tigris and Euphrates could refer to blending different batches for a consistent flavor or diluting a strong beer into water.
    Regardless of my accuracy, please, let the next Fermenting History be a Pulque recipe. Pulque is a unique alcoholic beverage that uses agave nectar as the primary fermenting sugar and often Lactobaccilus to produce a sour "beer".

    • @khuntasaurus88
      @khuntasaurus88 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Wow good to have a professional perspective. I also thought that Max veered a bit off the recipe by following archaeological leads over the written part. Thanks for the insight!

    • @petergray7576
      @petergray7576 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Pulque is a nice idea. But you can't do that episode without mentioning the myth of Quetzalcoatl and his..... unfortunate indiscretion.... with his sister..... after getting inebriated on pulque. So maybe somewhat NSFW?

    • @eddavanleemputten9232
      @eddavanleemputten9232 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Fellow mead, (fruit)wines and cider maker here with equally limited beer making experience. I was thinking along the same lines. 😊

    • @melmoomlem7321
      @melmoomlem7321 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@petergray7576 implied incest can be ignored, ancient Egyptians married their siblings and no one shies away from mentioning that.

    • @vatiti9573
      @vatiti9573 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Homebrewer of BEERS here (well, I have done only six batches to this day, but I have now a bit of experience on it, my first one was too light even for a light beer and visibly got infected by lactobacillus, but the next five came out frankly good and had no infections) ! I must admit that you pretty much said everything, that Ninkasi's hymn says much more than Max thought to an experienced homebrewer (no criticism against him though, he did great especially given the fact it was probably the first time he brewed beer).

  • @antonv7329
    @antonv7329 ปีที่แล้ว +1718

    I'm an archaeologist (who is currently drinking some beer) and I wrote my undergraduate thesis on alcohol in Neolithic Europe. If you haven't read an of Dr. Patrick McGovern's work, I highly suggest "Uncorking the Past"! He covers a great breadth of ancient brews and brewing technologies. Love your videos, excited to check out your other brewing adventures!

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +220

      Thanks for the reco Anton

    • @neclark08
      @neclark08 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ...may I pose you a question re; Ancient Brewskies, Anton ?
      How do the quantities- & qualities of the proteins & other nutrients of ancient 'Liquid Breads' compare to their oven-baked competitors ?

    • @Fuchsia_tude
      @Fuchsia_tude ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@neclark08 Also, how much of the calories of ancient people came from beer? Does it seem true that most people derived most of their daily energy from (barely alcoholic) beer and beer porridge rather than solid baked bread?

    • @derekfrost8991
      @derekfrost8991 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@neclark08 you also have different sugars like dextrin which sourdough can ferment because it is a wild culture but modern yeasts can't. There are many factors.. 🙂

    • @chadkline4268
      @chadkline4268 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I can say that I did a 6 week experiment drinking 1L of unfiltered unbottled homebrew right out of the primary every morning and 1L at night. And no other food. And other than sleeping a bit more, I felt fine, and even gained weight. I think we don't have the full facts on the nutrition of natural unprocessed brews. It is possible to literally live off the stuff for extended periods of time.

  • @stephaniewilson3955
    @stephaniewilson3955 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Bread and beer are basically the same, using grain and yeast. It is just that one is dry and the other liquid. The women were usually responsible for preparing both. They usually did it daily as it did go off in a couple of days. One reason hops got used later was as a preservative that enabled you to keep the beer longer. In Medieval times there was beer (the first brewing) that was given to the men then small beer (a second brewing from the same wort) that was for women and children. Remember! Water could be polluted so beer was safer well into the 19th Century.

    • @BetterWorse-ge6ci
      @BetterWorse-ge6ci 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. Look up actual 'beer', gruit. It didn't contain hops, hops are estrogenic and are exceedingly unhealthy.

  • @chicobicalho5621
    @chicobicalho5621 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Considering Sumarians themselves probably never made beer exactly like each other, and there were probably endless variations 4,000 years ago, this beer you made is likely to be similar to a version or another from the past.

  • @kirstenpaff8946
    @kirstenpaff8946 ปีที่แล้ว +590

    We inhabit a world of standardized weights, machine tooling, and 3D printing. It is easy to forget that in the past, there was little to no standardization and every person had their own way of making things. Every family in ancient Mesopotamia probably had their own way of making beer. The types of beer were more general categories than standard recipes. Depending on region and time period, the same name could possibly even refer to different beers.

    • @TheWinjin
      @TheWinjin ปีที่แล้ว +65

      That's a very important note! I think we get a lot of this in "family passed recipes" where every recipe is like hand-written and more so, eyeballed! Like, a lot of Slavic families have their own ways of preparing Borscht or Pelmeni or well anything really. It's rarely "half a cup of this and 243 grams of that" it's always more like eyeball it, eyeball that, you should feel it in your heart how much of this or that you need. And it comes more from preparing something with your parents for years even before you grew up, I think.

    • @grantbishop1961
      @grantbishop1961 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except the Annunaki had more advanced technology then we even use today and most of our technology was reversed engineered from Elder tech.
      How do you think we progressed so much in under 100 years from 1950's to 2023.
      Why the navy have Hybrid Ariel Underwater Crafts capable of interplanetary travel?
      Google it, HAUCs, Navy Patent.

    • @deusvult6920
      @deusvult6920 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's important to note, standardized measurements are older than Rome

    • @whattheheck8979
      @whattheheck8979 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@grantbishop1961 Please research instead of spreading misinformation, especially on videos relating to history. The expired patent in question is made by Salvatore Pais:
      "Starting in 2015, he began filing patent applications on behalf of his employers with futuristic-sounding names suggesting potential military and energy-producing applications. No working prototype of any of these concepts was ever developed. These attracted attention, as well as speculation that they may be disinformation intended to mislead the United States' strategic adversaries about the direction of United States defense research."
      These projects, like the Army's "Stargate Project" (about gathering intelligence via out-of-body experiences) are similar, meant to mislead foreign intelligence agencies that may be spying by mixing in legitimate documents with ones like these. Funnily enough, the Navy-created private TOR browser uses this exact method to conceal information.
      Basically, legitimate military documents are the needles in the haysack full of illegitimate documents, it's the best way for anonymity and security.

    • @jimfortnite7810
      @jimfortnite7810 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@grantbishop1961take your meds

  • @FrikInCasualMode
    @FrikInCasualMode ปีที่แล้ว +1746

    Hell yeah! I was waiting for this episode for ages! Beer was huge thing in early civilizations. You can't read five sentences translated from ancient languages without someone mentioning beer. Workers were paid in beer for work done. Soldiers were given beer as part of food rations. Entire villages were founded to produce beer for a temple or palace. And yes, they paid taxes in beer. And gave beer as offering to gods.
    Only when wine-making really took off, it managed to overcome the beer in importance.

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +252

      Better late than never 😅

    • @julietsmith5925
      @julietsmith5925 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Makes sense given beer's only competition was mead and potentially hard cider.

    • @FrikInCasualMode
      @FrikInCasualMode ปีที่แล้ว +119

      @@TastingHistory Eh, I don't begrudge you taking your time. Together with my dad, we are making wine at home every each year. Even with all the guides, ready yeast strains and special equipment it's still a hit-or-miss process. Never tried to make beer, but I would fully expect my attempts to produce even patchier results that wine does.
      As for the straining process used by Sumerians, it is quite possible they used to place another filter inside that bowl with big holes. It could be something as simple as folded linen cloth, or maybe special, tightly woven reed basket? Since it would be made from organic material, it simply would not survive to our times.

    • @darthplagueis13
      @darthplagueis13 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@julietsmith5925 Well, there's probably always been *some* kind of wine. After all, it pretty much makes itself if you just let some sweet juice ferment. Hard cider is essentially just apple wine which is consumed before it has fully fermented so it's still sweet and slightly effervescent.
      Odds are that beer was more popular early on because the people at the time appreciated fruit primarily as a sweet treat, so they would probably would have been hesitant to let perfectly good fruit go off, not to mention that wine is a bit of an acquired taste and the first people to make it might just have dumped it because it was so sour and they thought they could get ill from drinking it (mind you, they well could. It's not unusual to upset your stomach with young wine and whilst catching a bit of diarrhea from an upset stomach today is rather inconvenient, to ancient peoples it would have been much more severe).
      My personal guess is that wine started becoming truly popular when people started using fruit juice as a sweetener and became more accustomed to having it go off.

    • @joselopez-kx3sm
      @joselopez-kx3sm ปีที่แล้ว +32

      beer and bread are the two earliest inventions of the ancient world.

  • @John_Fugazzi
    @John_Fugazzi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    I think Max is one of the few people who could say, "I know a lot of people who make this" when talking about a 5,000 year old Sumerian beer recipe.

  • @smile-tl9in
    @smile-tl9in ปีที่แล้ว +37

    About the beer that was given to workers. It wasn't just for fun. The beer had a high caloric value, and while it wasn't strong the alchool content made sure it didn't go bad (or at least that form of beer didn't), making it a decent foodstuff with a long shelf life.

    • @tamaspej1378
      @tamaspej1378 หลายเดือนก่อน

      even today beer is a go to drink to any construction worker. I think it just works better then any other liquid. Better for our gut.

    • @MrBottlecapBill
      @MrBottlecapBill 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It did go bad though......very quickly. The shelf life was very short.

    • @smile-tl9in
      @smile-tl9in 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MrBottlecapBill No. Not really. As long as it was not opened it could go a few months

  • @thethoughtemporium
    @thethoughtemporium ปีที่แล้ว +1283

    In terms of the date syrup, they likely would have added way more as you realized near the end. I'm always surprised by just how much sugar goes into making alcohol. No matter how many brews I've done, it's always more than it seems like it needs, yet that's just the math of the yeasts metabolism.
    The fizz is because it's still fermenting. If you bottle it the pressure builds up and it'll be actually properly carbonated when served, but I don't think the Sumerians had vessels that could take that sort of pressure, least not ones that were readily available, so they almost certainly wouldn't have done that.
    When making beer even today, you'd typically decant the upper liquid once it's had a bit to settle which will remove most of the crud at the bottom. The flavor changes a lot based on how well you remove the junk at the bottom as it's the source of a lot of "off" tastes.
    Anyway, great video! loved the history.

    • @cademcclure2147
      @cademcclure2147 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Bro where have you been, it’s been 10 months please come back to us

    • @cdreid9999
      @cdreid9999 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      they had complex pottery. And remember we only find what survived thousands of years in places we happened to dog. They may have used reeds or twine or cloth to seal jars

    • @wirelessone2986
      @wirelessone2986 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They may have stirred it with straws and used the stuff at the bottom and at the top as caloric intake..beer soup..I heard that the Germans take in 1/3 of their calories from beer,maybe so did the poeple who drank this recipe.

    • @jakeg3733
      @jakeg3733 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Didn't they add urine to their beers? I doubt any of these ancient brews were particularly palatable

    • @grantbishop1961
      @grantbishop1961 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ​@@jakeg3733they added silver and silver coins because they have as an antimicrobial, antibacterial and antiviral properties.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 ปีที่แล้ว +437

    Can’t believe Max has been fermenting this beer for thousands of years straight.

    • @Yolo_Swagins
      @Yolo_Swagins ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yep, hes werry dedicated to bring quality content to us.

    • @marcuswillbrandt5901
      @marcuswillbrandt5901 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And it's still fermenting.

    • @schleybailey
      @schleybailey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      and it still aint done lol

    • @kingofsomething3250
      @kingofsomething3250 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      until the end of time

    • @rebjorn79
      @rebjorn79 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He didn't actually do that. Max isn't thousands of years old.

  • @irwintatyana9066
    @irwintatyana9066 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    hi i'm originally from Caucasus we do make that Bear the Best ever So The bappir bread is ( suharry) yeast dour bread baked in Oven until golden brown ! Most important Water should not have chlorine , If you put YEAST it will eat all sweet of all Dates ! yeast east sugar all the time !Syrups are add before drinking and use Distilled water if you do not have Natural alps waters so, know more if you are interested!

  • @rogerkulpnik
    @rogerkulpnik ปีที่แล้ว +15

    When soaking (mashing) the slightly roasted ground grain, barley has the most enzymes present which convert starches into sugars. So wheat beer for for example always includes some barley. Dried fruit is a common ingredient in mead even to modern day, because it accelerates the growth of yeast, has yeast on it, and also has sugar of course. In northern europe, fermenting beer was stirred occasionally with deer horns or brooms made of pine trees. Pine could impart a flavor, but yeast would stick to it, and when dried, the stirring device, could be reused to inoculate the next batch of beer with yeast.
    Always wondered if the pine cones and the mysterious ancient hand-bags were actually hopps and a bucket of beer.

  • @nextcaesargaming5469
    @nextcaesargaming5469 ปีที่แล้ว +539

    This beer is actually very similar to kvass. Given how much I enjoy kvass, I think I'll enjoy Mesopotamian beer.

    • @professornuke7562
      @professornuke7562 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I thought the same thing.

    • @Giganfan2k1
      @Giganfan2k1 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I love K'vass.

    • @DonnaBarrHerself
      @DonnaBarrHerself ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Love Klass. I make a light, effervescent version, with sultanas.

    • @varangjar1544
      @varangjar1544 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I grew up in homemade kvass. Considering what a history nerd I am, this is an obvious transition to make))

    • @strawberryhellcat4738
      @strawberryhellcat4738 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Big kvass fan here too! My favorite is a sweet beet version I found on the Peter's Food Adventures channel.

  • @Mysterialic
    @Mysterialic ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Man discovered beer and made the entire civilisation revolve around it.

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +37

      A man of culture 🍺

    • @scaper8
      @scaper8 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      No joke, most anthropologists are pretty sure that agriculture developed not to have reliable sources of grain for bread, but reliable sources of grain for beer. Civilization was literally founded so that we could more consistently get sloshed.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@scaper8 makes sense. I mean, given food was actually fairly plentiful (albeit seasonal) for most nomadic peoples, and it involved less hard labour, “come on and you can replace your venison with monotonous food slabs” isn’t a particularly compelling reason to settle down.
      But given alcohol would’ve been hard to come by (albeit not impossible, plenty of nomadic cultures had alcohol like the Mongolians’ alcoholic milk, but it was still rare) reliably, “come on and you can get drunk EVERY night” may very well have been appealing enough!

    • @LAkadian
      @LAkadian ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@TastingHistory I hear the beer was quite cultured as well.

    • @whatabouttheearth
      @whatabouttheearth ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you think about it, alcohol was invented first (apx 6,500 bc) than humans invented the wheel (4000 bc) and writing (earliest known writing apx 3400 bc). But findings at Gobleki Tepe have pottery that they think held beer around 7000 bc.

  • @ThirrinDiamond
    @ThirrinDiamond ปีที่แล้ว +7

    rip enki, can't escape his shame even thousands of years later

  • @ExtraThiccc
    @ExtraThiccc ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I love how the stronger the beer is, the objectively better it gets. Wonder what they would call wine, "excellent beer"?

    • @NigelHatcherN
      @NigelHatcherN หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can make beer/wine to the same strength, it depends on the yeast.

  • @zypity
    @zypity ปีที่แล้ว +412

    I'm sure you know, but regarding sweetness, you have to keep in mind that we are used to incredibly sweet foods in comparison to them. So that may skew our perception of "sweet" in relation to the foods and drinks of those days.

    • @alexnoman1498
      @alexnoman1498 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Have you tried date sirup? It's so sweet, a half teaspoon is enough to sweeten a whole cup of milk. They knew how to distill something to way above 60% sugar.

    • @toastedt140
      @toastedt140 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @alexnoman1498 yes but their taste buds were still less accustomed to sugar. Everything in America, South America, Parts of Europe and Asia is made with added sugar. We add raw sugar to our bread, drinks, dairy, snack foods. If you eat raw fruit/vegetables and lean meat for a while then try anything processed it's way too sweet.

    • @mimiisrofl
      @mimiisrofl ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@toastedt140 “processed” lol Ancient Mesopotamian beer is “processed,” that’s a meaningless woo term.

    • @MrArthoz
      @MrArthoz ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@alexnoman1498 maybe they added the sweetener afterwards because the distillation process itself is basically turning "sugar" into alcohol.
      So if we want to sweeten the drink, best add sugar just before drinking it so that it have no time to be further fermented.
      Adding before or during the distillation process would only serve to increase the alcohol content making it a "very good" beer.

    • @theodorekorehonen
      @theodorekorehonen ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah the only way to have a sweet alcoholic beverage is to either add a sugar yeast doesn't break down, sweeten it after fermentation, or stop fermentation before the yeast goes through all the sugar

  • @estanislaukalashnikov2306
    @estanislaukalashnikov2306 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    Using bread in the beer reminds me Slavic kwas. In kwas the yeast is added separately, as the bread is toasted until really dark (so no live yeast there), but I could picture backtracking all the way to Mesopotamian beer, just like barszcz vs. tuh'u.

    • @lesslighter
      @lesslighter ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It could also be that you can add mollasses when baking dark rye bread the bread in Kvass is not necessarily baked dark but yeah

    • @JohnLeePettimoreIII
      @JohnLeePettimoreIII ปีที่แล้ว

      this vi-jay-o about making Kvass was recently released by another cooking channel i watch.
      th-cam.com/video/lp2cT78TaEM/w-d-xo.html

    • @annalieff-saxby568
      @annalieff-saxby568 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Just FYI, Harry Flashman described kvass as "It's thick, it's black, and it makes you drunk".

    • @TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight
      @TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love to have kvass and shashlik in the summer

    • @gregorypkampwirth8852
      @gregorypkampwirth8852 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Na zdrowie panu!! 🇵🇱🍻🍺

  • @dougneon9550
    @dougneon9550 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    When the ancient sumerian demon is actually pretty chill and he even knows how to make a good brew

  • @bigcheesedump490
    @bigcheesedump490 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Jamie was clearly the star of this episode.

  • @mattlevault5140
    @mattlevault5140 ปีที่แล้ว +404

    Terrific content and well researched, as always! I used to brew beer. You didn't get the sweetness of the date syrup because the yeast consumed the sugar enzymes to create the alcohol and carbon dioxide (and vitamin B12). That's also why you got that hint of effervescence. I was expecting the hardtack clip among all the bread information... That never gets old! Happy New Year!

    • @dnoname8108
      @dnoname8108 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      I brew beer currently and I was just about to say the same thing. If you add sugar, yeast will eat it all unless the alcohol content gets too high to kill the yeast, unless you add invert sugar or kill all the yeast and backsweeten. And yes, the yeast are still doing their thing in this concoction so they are still making co2, so it is kinda carbonated just very very lightly. to my knowledge, almost all beer was bottle or keg conditioned to make it carbonated in the past. This means that the still living yeast are given a little more food and sealed in an airtight container, which means the co2 produced had nowhere to go but back into the beer, making it carbonated.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@dnoname8108
      A sealed container is necessary if you want full-on carbonation rather than just a hint of effervescence, because you need something that can contain the pressure.

    • @dnoname8108
      @dnoname8108 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ragnkja Didn't I say "airtight container"?

    • @Chevsilverado
      @Chevsilverado ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@dnoname8108 Even if it’s not in a sealed container and even if the yeast is dead the liquid can hold a certain amount of dissolved co2 which is why wine makers tend to degass the wine by stirring. It’s not necessarily caused by still alive yeast.
      Also, brewing yeasts can be made to “leave a bit of sugar on the table” so even if you don’t run them to death it’ll not be totally dry. Still pretty dry but not entirely.

    • @dnoname8108
      @dnoname8108 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Chevsilverado Sure, but I was talking about how they used to carbonate it to a point we would recognize as a carbonation, so for like 400 years of bottle conditioning. I would love to see something about the dissolved co2 such as how long after all the yeast are dead and how much co2. and in this case, he had live yeast in this vessel.
      Sure, if you use less alcohol tolerant yeast and you make it high enough proof, you can have it go a bit more sweet. You can also kill or deactivate the yeast through heat, cold or chemicals. Though I haven't seen that in the beer homebrew scene. It tends to be wine makers from what I have seen and usually a lot of places backsweeten after they have killed off the yeast because it is easier to add the right amount of sugar back in after all the yeast is dead. unless you use undigestable sugars for the yeast, as to not restart their lifecycle.

  • @mounamounayer4818
    @mounamounayer4818 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Enki and Ishtar getting drunk in the Abzu has to be my favourite part of this story, not least because the word Abzu is still in use today almost unchanged-the abyss. It tickles my fancy that Sumerian words are still floating around in our languages 5000 years later. Thank you Max for rounding off the year with yet another corker of a video! Happy New Year to you and yours.

    • @danigeschwindelt1795
      @danigeschwindelt1795 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Is the latin word abusus, which has still the same meaning in the English word abuse originating from this root, too?

  • @Johannes4233
    @Johannes4233 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The beer being given to workers was also common in Finland in the 1950s and earlier. The beer drank during the hot summer days on the field was very low alcohol and it was referred to as "after-beer", since it was made from grains that had already been spent on the primary beer making so there was only small amount of fermentable sugars remaining. It still had a lot of flavour though and was considered a nice treat for the people working on the fields.

  • @conradnelson5283
    @conradnelson5283 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I love the story of Sumeria. There may have been other civilizations first, but this is the first one that we have written histories of. Their mythology is fascinating. Familiar yet alien. Great video.

  • @demetriusjohnson6969
    @demetriusjohnson6969 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    Max has the God of Pokemon in a jar. I love it 😂😂😂

    • @crickett3536
      @crickett3536 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Arceus, it is you who handles the dough 🤣

    • @GardenData61371
      @GardenData61371 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Oh no...
      *gets PTSD*

    • @coldtoast7426
      @coldtoast7426 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@GardenData61371 nonononononononnononononno
      (but i thought the same thing

    • @JTSquirrel
      @JTSquirrel ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@GardenData61371 POT. IT'S IN A POT 😭

    • @steventhompson5554
      @steventhompson5554 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ahh, that’s who that is. I was looking for Pikachu again

  • @alexissjc409
    @alexissjc409 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I love how the sumerians would just drink beer from a large vase and just drink it through giant reed bendy straws. I just love that.

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Crazy straws when

    • @CrizzyEyes
      @CrizzyEyes ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It's like a hookah but with drinking beer.

    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Sippy cups for beer...

    • @MikeHesk742
      @MikeHesk742 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@CrizzyEyes that was my first thought too

    • @danielbrunner5878
      @danielbrunner5878 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you take to long to drink it could serve well in your garden compost

  • @maiiabakhova2474
    @maiiabakhova2474 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    About twice baked: some already mentioned Slavic kvas, a less alcoholic sibling of beer. Ingredients for it vary, too, although one of frequent ones are pieces of a rye bread, dried in oven. So one can say that they were baked two times. It is done with a stale bread to keep it from spoiling for other usage. For example, to add to a sponge. In US you do a sponge with flour, but it could be done with a stale sourdough bread pieces as well.

  • @DummyWhisper245
    @DummyWhisper245 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "I can't see anything, I'll open this one!"

  • @kittypost3929
    @kittypost3929 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I can’t believe this guy has been brewing this beer for 4,000 years that’s dedication

  • @tildessmoo
    @tildessmoo ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I love all the references to a happy liver. Some ancient people, including both the Sumerians and the Greeks, thought of the liver as the seat of the soul, so it makes sense, but knowing now that the liver filters poisons, including alcohol, from the blood, and that an excessive amount of alcohol can damage the liver, it comes off as terribly ironic.

    • @gypsylee333
      @gypsylee333 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I did not know that!

    • @littlegrayfishes
      @littlegrayfishes ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ohhh thank you so much for this piece of information. I really wondered whether they knew of the effects alcohol has on the liver when I heard those lyrics. but this makes a lot of sense.

    • @bacicinvatteneaca
      @bacicinvatteneaca ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, they may also have seen the ruined livers of (the probably rare at the time) alcoholics, and decided that "good in moderation" applied. If a lot of it hurts your liver, a little might just make it happy, y'kno?

    • @Nothingnessf
      @Nothingnessf 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Don't think many lived long enough to develop cirrhosis, and had strong enough alcohol to really do much damage

  • @acgorrell
    @acgorrell 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I've often wondered why food and culinary history isn't more popular among academics, especially when we have people like you absolutely killing it in the genre. Also, I'm totally "stealing" some of your videos for my world history class.

  • @gamerjorts
    @gamerjorts ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brewer here, anyone who says it's sour had an infected batch filled with bacteria. Considering the fact that there is no sanitization I'm surprised yours wasn't infected too. The fact that it was ever so slightly fizzy tells me that it wasn't completely done fermenting either.

    • @malleus30
      @malleus30 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I was just thinking that the date syrup was for a secondary fermentation, like a sparkling wine

  • @DoomedPaladin
    @DoomedPaladin ปีที่แล้ว +193

    I had the pleasure of writing the 'Beer' cleric domain (Pathfinder 1e, since converted to 5e DnD) for Kobold Press' Midgard campaign setting and its Beer Goddess Ninkash. I'd always wondered where that Goddess's name came from, but thanks to you Max, now I know. Beautiful.

    • @TakeWalker
      @TakeWalker ปีที่แล้ว +13

      oh my god, I need to play a beer cleric now :D

    • @fedra76it
      @fedra76it ปีที่แล้ว +15

      How cool is that?! Being a Pathfinder and 5e-DnD player, it's nice to "meet" one of the source material authors.

    • @DoomedPaladin
      @DoomedPaladin ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TakeWalker you can find the domain in the Midgard Campaign Setting book (for Pathfinder) and the World Book (for 5e).

    • @DoomedPaladin
      @DoomedPaladin ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@fedra76it Kobold Press authors are especially easy to interact with online. We're _very_ engaged with our community, although, it IS mostly on Facebook.

    • @lonelystrategos
      @lonelystrategos ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Beer domain cleric? As a German, I can attest to the historical accuracy of that. The oldest monastery in Germany is home to what may be the oldest brewery in the world still in operation.

  • @jabberman3000
    @jabberman3000 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    Day 1: Soak 1 cup of barley
    Day 2: mix together 3 cups flour, 1 cup water and 1 tablespoon of yeast. Mix into dough and cover. Drain barley, wrap in cheese cloth and hang for 2-3 days. Spraying with water as needed to keep slightly moist
    Day 3: shape dough and leave it to dry out
    Day 4: bake barley at 200f for 2-3 hours until nicely brown and aromatic
    Day 5: crush barely into a powder, cover with water and let soak for 1-2 hours. Meanwhile break up the bread and let dry out. Afterwards put the bread in a large container with the barely mixture. Put in spices and syrup. Stir mixture then pour in water. Cover with a cheese cloth and leave it in a dark place for 2 days

    • @MrSagaTeller
      @MrSagaTeller ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thank you. Not all of heroes wear capes.

    • @thebeardedjohn
      @thebeardedjohn ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And before this make your own sourdough bread

    • @jacobluco7076
      @jacobluco7076 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It makes me mad that he spent all that time malting the barley, and didn't even mash in with hot water! Why malt it if you don't want to convert it to sugar?

    • @Sneakyboson
      @Sneakyboson ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You forgot the day where you pray to ninkasi.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@jacobluco7076 The Hymn of Ninkasi didn't say anything about that...

  • @AbstruseLoL
    @AbstruseLoL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Max, you're making beautiful work. I love the information paired with your humor and wit. Thanks for the video!

  • @jackjackalvarado
    @jackjackalvarado ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely loved this! I'm doing a lot of research on Mesopotamia and I never even questioned as to why they would use straw. Now it makes so much sense! I hope to see more Sumerian recipes! This was fascinating.

  • @LenaVoices
    @LenaVoices ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Hey Max I know you might not see it but I want to say how grateful I am for the show! I'm taking a lot of Greek/Roman classes in Uni right now and learning a bit here also makes me smile. I've been watching the show since EP 1 and I'm so happy to see how it's grown. It makes me feel a little less alone, thank you Max!

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Episode 1! Thank you for the near 3 years of me babbling. Good luck on your studies 😄

  • @evilcow666
    @evilcow666 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I love how max constantly tries to assure us that he is not an alcoholic.

  • @Ricardojmsl
    @Ricardojmsl ปีที่แล้ว +1

    More than deserved sub. so good, not just to know how it´s done and how good food and drink is, but also the history. i´m a fan.

  • @debbiegilmour6171
    @debbiegilmour6171 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fine I'll watch it. Honestly it's been on my recommended for what feels like years.

  • @aluhans2636
    @aluhans2636 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    As a german I am very proud of your pronunciation of the word ''Hefeweizen''! I'm in a dark spot of my life currently, but this cheered me up. Thanks

    • @erzsebetkovacs2527
      @erzsebetkovacs2527 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Wishing the best to you, whatever it is that you are currently experiencing.

    • @aluhans2636
      @aluhans2636 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@erzsebetkovacs2527 thank you!

    • @redtobertshateshandles
      @redtobertshateshandles ปีที่แล้ว +22

      You are just thinking the wurst.

    • @GanarfGeorgie
      @GanarfGeorgie ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Just remember that, no matter what you are going through, you are loved, my friend.

    • @pegmay7209
      @pegmay7209 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I hope things are better for you, two months on. I too went through a dark period within the past few months and I wish there was more I could do to help. All I can do is say you’re not alone.

  • @giraffelord94
    @giraffelord94 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I love that story of Inanna and Enki with the drinking contest and hangover, because it shows on deep yet simple level people have always been the same.

  • @VioletCatastrophe
    @VioletCatastrophe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been making an incremental game and I've been trying to avoid anachronisms where possible, so this has been part of my agriculture rabbit hole of early beer and bread. I love stuff like this, and seeing the core ideas that more modern and refined recipes evolved into.

  • @joshuabradshaw9120
    @joshuabradshaw9120 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's amazing how much ancient peoples knew about so many subjects, and how much information was lost, then rediscovered, then lost again, then rediscovered again.

  • @mattpowell06
    @mattpowell06 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    Once again I am lured away from my tasks by the Tasting History notification. Like a historical siren song of entertainment but in a good way😅

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +75

      Come and seeeee 🧜‍♂️

    • @julietsmith5925
      @julietsmith5925 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Tasting History is definitely the highlight of my Tuesdays.

    • @mattpowell06
      @mattpowell06 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@julietsmith5925 indisputable fact🙌

    • @JoanZak
      @JoanZak ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You hit the nail on the head with that comment!!

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว +6

      A siren song, but at a safe distance from both Scylla and Charybdis.

  • @lumikkihusu7259
    @lumikkihusu7259 ปีที่แล้ว +496

    The time you take in the malt roasting process (the bit with the oven) and the exact temperature you use will affect the taste hugely! Make good notes on this if you want to try to replicate the same result later. Of course, the variety of barley is a factor, too.
    In modern brewing, The basic malts are fairly simple just as described here. Such lighter malt also "has a high diastatic value" meaning that the grain itself contains the enzymes needed to unlock the goodness within for the yeast to transform into alcohol. Many beer recipes require several different types of malt. The ones that have been roasted for longer and/or hotter will give different aromas but be less efficient in the conversion. Therefore: Use the light stuff as a base to give off the extra enzymes needed to catch the full value of the smaller amount of those darker roasted flavour goodies.
    Also: If you accidentally roast your grain too much, expect problems in the fermentation phase. This would have happened to the Sumerians as well. Adding a lot of syrup will help save the brew but might actually result in a braggot instead. (Malt flavouread mead, that is.)

    • @WabacControl
      @WabacControl ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Spot on. We need active enzymes from the malt in order to break the starches from the barley flour and the 'bread' into fermentable and non-fermentable sugars for both alcohol and body / flavour.

    • @xmuzel
      @xmuzel ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for mentioning that!

    • @matthewcox431
      @matthewcox431 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Take notes from The Boys of Sumer. 😁

    • @cosmicman621
      @cosmicman621 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ...might not take up,home-brewing,after all 😳

    • @GeckoHiker
      @GeckoHiker ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@cosmicman621 Kits are a very good place to start homebrewing. If you want to experiment with malting you can always try that later. I stick to kits because it's fun to brew my own IPAs and mostly foolproof. You can get grain kits or extract kits. My neighbor and I enjoy brewing with all grain kits because we use the spent grains to bake bread and feed the chickens. The best part of homebrewing is to drink a beer while taking turns stirring the cauldron.

  • @sizer99
    @sizer99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very fun video, especially the poems - a couple things: 1) a lot of brewers use mostly wet yeast, but dry yeast cake was common in a lot of places too up to the last century, like Scandinavia where the kveik might be stored wet or dry. Wet is better if you brew a lot, dry stores better over long times. But a lot of it is just 'this is how my granddad did it'. 2) The date syrup didn't make your beer sweet because the yeast turns (almost) any sugar into alcohol, and it's voracious. Like you said you could add it just before drinking, or add a ton more up front (which will also make it a lot more alcoholic). 3) It's not sour because you didn't get any lactobacillus in there. Sour (as opposed to bitter) beers come from wild yeasts or bacteria, or adding sour fruit. 4) For modern beers we generally ferment 2-3 weeks (longer for hugely strong ones), and as long as your yeast is still bubbling you can let it keep fermenting. But we ferment at lower temperatures than you were here, which makes it take longer. And of course we add hops, which help preserve the beer - your beer didn't have that, which is why it needs to be drunk fairly soon before bacteria goes to town on it.
    Back in colonial US times, it was often the job of the wife to make house beer, and she would make it like this: Take some bread, crumble it in a jug. Add one raw egg. Flavor as desired. Add a little yeast. Fill the jug to near the top with water. Stir. Cover with cloth. Let it sit for 2 days and 'it will be fyne'. The stuff you made here is luxurious in comparison, but I guess the best beer is whatever beer you have!

  • @dicedoomkid
    @dicedoomkid 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These videos are just so chill, dude got smarts and food. Very nice 👌🏼

  • @verdecillo9940
    @verdecillo9940 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I tried to make this recipe and I cannot overstate the importance of the guard dog- I thought I would be ok without it, but those damn potentates came and stole all my barley!

    • @joshuakuehn
      @joshuakuehn ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @danf4447
      @danf4447 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      the guard dog drank all my beer :( by Enki i will have my revenge!

    • @TheWolfsnack
      @TheWolfsnack ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have no fear....I have three large standard poodles....potentates tend to stay away from anything smarter than themselves....

  • @kkleparek01
    @kkleparek01 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Thanks for the birthday present! I'm a homebrewer and my wife and I are big fans of the show; we always look forward to new episodes on Tuesday evenings. Last night was also my birthday and the beer theme was perfect. Thanks again!

    • @dannylo5875
      @dannylo5875 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You should make Sumerian whisky

    • @zarahandrahilde9554
      @zarahandrahilde9554 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude thats super wholesome, i want that life!
      Cheers to you and your wife and a late happy bday to you!

  • @kevinbirge2130
    @kevinbirge2130 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You may have missed a step. Secondary fermentation is what carbonates the beer. Once the wort (which is your basic recipe) has finished your primary ferment and the yeast have no sugar left to eat, you do a second pitch to reactivate them and bottle the beer. After a few weeks, the beer is finished. Since this is standard brewing procedure and assumed knowledge for any brewer, I would not expect this in a recipe-only ingredients and quantities. Conjecture, of course, but worth noting.

  • @DarkMuj
    @DarkMuj ปีที่แล้ว

    one of the best episodes yet! i love this channel so much

  • @4.0.4
    @4.0.4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Love the comparison of learning to make a cake from a children's song. It also raises the question of how many recipes change, emerge, and fall out of fashion in the centuries between one and another artifact.

  • @susanapplegate9758
    @susanapplegate9758 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    Anyone who makes me laugh out loud as often as you do, Max, is pretty awesome in my book. Another fun one, hope you and yours have a lovely New Years!

    • @TastingHistory
      @TastingHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Back at ya Susan 🎉

    • @bigred9428
      @bigred9428 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I gave him a thumbs up the second I saw that graphic in the beginning.

    • @didisinclair3605
      @didisinclair3605 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I always get a couple of big out loud laughs from Max... so delightful!!!

  • @AD-kv9kj
    @AD-kv9kj ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dude, pretty sure they would have simply strained the brew through a cloth filter. Basic stuff. You should use cheesecloth. They may have lived thousands of years ago, but they had cheesecloth equivalents and would not have wanted that much sediment in their beer anymore than we would. Guaranteed they would have strained most of that gunk out. They then quite likely stored it in aged and seasoned clay jars.

  • @matheusmotta1132
    @matheusmotta1132 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing channel! Loved your presentation and sense of humor, just subscribed!

  • @nyarparablepsis872
    @nyarparablepsis872 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    It's my birthday and I'm a Sumerologist. I'll take this as a wonderful present and thank you for it!
    Just recently dug into the Presargonic beer "recipes", particularly into dark beers created with torrefied malt.
    As for "the more I read about beer in ancient Mesopotamia, the less I knew about beer in ancient Mesopotamia": I think that's intended. At least I felt exactly like that as well.

    • @maplebones
      @maplebones ปีที่แล้ว

      If someone wants to read about, and understand beer making in Mesopotamia or anywhere else, they need a basic understanding of what beer is, as a reference. The failure to comprehend was not a conspiracy .

    • @Michalosnup
      @Michalosnup ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you tried to make some beer yourself? If so, how did it turn out?

  • @gandalf8216
    @gandalf8216 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I tried brewing beer using wild yeast many times, and it's very random how it ends up. Sourdough makes sense.
    My favorite yeast for brewing comes from orchards, from the skin of apples just about to "rot". They are great at breaking down fructose, and produce very little unwanted waste products.
    Yeast collecting is incredibly fascinating and interesting in the context of baking and brewing.

    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Now that you've teased us, make a vid series on the collecting of yeast!
      I'd watch that.

    • @gandalf8216
      @gandalf8216 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lairdcummings9092 It's not much to it. You collect samples from places, you put them in vials, you grow sample populations at home from these vials,then going through a sequence of tests.
      This is the expensive part, it's difficult to analyze byproduct amounts and of which kind, so you hire a company that does chemical analysis. If a species/strain is interesting, but with minor flaws or issues, you can try to breed it out of them.
      Then you keep them dormant, before using them as starters. For consistency in a brewery, you use one starter per recipe, and you stick with that starter for every batch of beer.
      A video would have a duration of about 40seconds of nothing interesting happening.

    • @royalladybug30
      @royalladybug30 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Your username is perfect for that conversation!

    • @randoanon4785
      @randoanon4785 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So that’s why there’s the belief from back in ye olden dayse that bread dough would rise faster and better if left under an apple tree. The dough would get a yeast boost from the apples!

    • @erzsebetkovacs2527
      @erzsebetkovacs2527 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the apple tip. Do you have experience with using grapes or raisins for the purpose?

  • @jesuslovesyou8404
    @jesuslovesyou8404 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the most entertaining thing I’ve seen on the internet this year. Thank you!

  • @jamesraymond1158
    @jamesraymond1158 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well researched, entertaining and informative. TH-cam at its best.

  • @hanadia2053
    @hanadia2053 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The way Habesha (Eritrean and Ethiopian people) brew traditional beer might hold a few clues if you're interested. We have something called Ye Tella Kitta, Tella being the beer, Kitta meaning flatbread, it's similar in appearance and purpose as Bappir. And for aromatics we use Gesho, which is plant from the Rhamnus spp., it makes the beer slightly bitter like hops.

    • @mrsean1999
      @mrsean1999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are these beers ever bottled ? Or only made at home? Now I want to go to a good Ethiopian restaurant to try this!

    • @hanadia2053
      @hanadia2053 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mrsean1999 Usually home brew, so there are loads of variations. There is some cottage industry selling them for immediate consumption and that beer is strong on alcohol and maltiness. Wedding l or religious festivity brews, laced with honey or pure, are where it's at. Enjoy if you find a restaurant that sells the good stuff

    • @user-su3bb5gn4l
      @user-su3bb5gn4l 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Our mqombothi is still prepared the same way by using sorghum as a fermenting agent .To complete the process it's mixed with well cooked starchy powdered grains...this formula is popular all over the african continent 😂

  • @tomseaman1108
    @tomseaman1108 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    Love your channel. I am a retired history teacher. As a student, and later a teacher, I was always curious about the lives of common people. You give great insights that are very rare. Keep up the good work!

    • @cdreid9999
      @cdreid9999 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      there are several historians on youtube who covers this. it has always annoyed me hoe historians only seemed to care about the elite. im far more interested in the commoners lives

    • @MyName-tb9oz
      @MyName-tb9oz ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@cdreid9999, it's really not so much that historians only care about the elites. It's more that there is so little information about the lives of the common people that learning anything is exceedingly difficult. The commoners weren't writing books, were they? They didn't have the time or, likely, inclination. The nobility wrote and they wrote about the things that concerned them: The nobility. The peasants were just peasants and, as long as they kept working, no one cared how they lived.
      Don't blame a lack of interest on the part of modern historians for the lack of information about the lives of the common people. Blame the lack of sources of information. Read some history and you'll find that modern historians are at least as annoyed about the lack of information about the lives of the common people as you are.

    • @slaapliedje
      @slaapliedje ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The great thing about the Sumerians, and why we know so much about the commoners is that they had great percentage of literacy, and many stone tablets or cylinders were found detailing more minor things in society, such as land deeds, contracts, receipts, etc.

  • @dylan_1884
    @dylan_1884 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    As a sumerian polytheist I am always happy when I see you cover mesopotamian recipies! Silim!

  • @Lorena-kr9gf
    @Lorena-kr9gf หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just found this channel
    I love it ! Thank you 😊 ❤

  • @chitoryu12
    @chitoryu12 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    It’s likely that the bappir was not actually raw inside to use as the yeast starter, as there’s records of it being stored in warehouses. The yeast would probably come from the solid remnants of fermentation left over from a previous batch. A lot of bad reenactor recipes leave the dough too raw and make it sour.

    • @-jank-willson
      @-jank-willson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So what do you think bappir is?

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@-jank-willson Maybe something like modern store bought yeast. Which comes either as dry flakes or in some sort of concentrated dough. Maybe collecting the small pieces that are stuck on fingers and in pots when making bread, collected, dried, used for beer later.

    • @Zzyzzyzzs
      @Zzyzzyzzs ปีที่แล้ว

      @@-jank-willson As they say, the solid remnants of fermentation left over from a previous batch, which I imagine could just be transferred from vat to vat if you have an established industrial brewing facility, or be dried and baked into a cake for transport further afield. Barm, the yeasty foam that forms on top of beer during fermentation, is also a possibility. Many alemakers still use that.

  • @lukesmith9455
    @lukesmith9455 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Being sour or not is mostly just down to the yeast. If you used a wild yeast (whatever was in the environment) then there's a chance it comes out sour, which is sometimes desired. If you added a store bought yeast to it it almost certainly won't be. Yeast is really important to the flavor of beer, and the way this was controlled before we knew really what yeast was is they used the same wooden stirring utensils which would have the yeast from the previous batch on it. Protecting that was important, and it'd make for another good video to see how that was done throughout history, as beer brewing is one of the most important and common things humans do.

    • @comradewindowsill4253
      @comradewindowsill4253 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      could well be on the vats too. That's how it works for soy sauces, which are also fermented products, with their own specific yeast lines. The sauce is made in the same vat for centuries, and the yeast lives on the vat walls.

  • @antonydiniz345
    @antonydiniz345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's so dope, man... congrats for all that work, it's very amusing...

  • @jannuzijannuzicharlescharl3260
    @jannuzijannuzicharlescharl3260 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like how you carefully and plausibly reconstruct recipes and then just get on with it. Very interesting.

  • @jelkel25
    @jelkel25 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Always wondered about the ancient beer drunk through the big straw's, they always look like they're having a great old time of it in the little pictures. Now I know why!!!!

  • @ikarus2h
    @ikarus2h ปีที่แล้ว +380

    How did they know that alcohol and the liver have a relationship

    • @ashtonjones9503
      @ashtonjones9503 ปีที่แล้ว +215

      Makes you wonder. How many times as humans we've discovered, lost and rediscovered our collective knowledge. Especially the amount of knowledge lost at the Great Library of Alexandria. I have this odd hunch that that Library held the key to unlocking so many mysteries.

    • @Matteus733
      @Matteus733 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@ashtonjones9503 spot on… also how much is contained in the papal library away from the world

    • @kalinmir
      @kalinmir ปีที่แล้ว +43

      they didn't...do not read your current awareness into ancient cultures expressions

    • @gdgyhgrd
      @gdgyhgrd ปีที่แล้ว +106

      @@ashtonjones9503 The Library of Alexandria had largely declined into scholarly insignificance by the time of its destruction and most of the important documents that had been stored there had long since been removed to other libraries or copied.

    • @Matteus733
      @Matteus733 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@gdgyhgrd exactly and the no 1 contender for the left overs? Papacy

  • @MrStantonP
    @MrStantonP ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my first time on your channel. After watching the first minute or so, I wasn't sure if this was a channel for me. But then, 2:22, "Beautiful, but would we call that a recipe?" sold me!

  • @idali39
    @idali39 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love this channel, im glad i found my way here

  • @benjamindavenport1857
    @benjamindavenport1857 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You may already know this, but Dogfish Head has a series called 'ancient ales', of which Midas Touch is the most famous/popular, based on ancient beer recipes (with the advice of archaeologists). Could be a fun episode to explore a few of those - bonus points if you could somehow got them to do a series with you!

  • @HoJu1989
    @HoJu1989 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I once made some Neolithic-inspired beer for a course on experimental archaeology in college. We failed to malt our own grain (couldn't get it to sprout because we bought it pre-toasted by mistake), so we visited a local brewery and they kindly gave as some malt (and a tour!). Instead of date syrup, we used honey to stimulate alcohol production, based on remains found in Spanish Neolithic sites. The accuracy of the procedure and our data collection were scientifically spotty, but it turned out fairly drinkable and we got to drink beer in class. For science!

    • @andreagriffiths3512
      @andreagriffiths3512 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      For Science! 🍻

    • @dankpepe2110
      @dankpepe2110 ปีที่แล้ว

      Science bich! 🍻

    • @mikkoleinonen9846
      @mikkoleinonen9846 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have to say that many small breweries gladly give tours to people. I've been learning to make some some Sahti, an ancient Finnish beer, and went to a local brewery that sold the right kind of malts and all. They gave me a tour and gave me tips on what kind of equipment to buy (turns out I would have gotten way too expensive equipment for a beer that you can basically make with a pot and a bucket :D)

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I could totally see honey being used. And pretty wild yeasts from whatever fruit and/or grains you throw in there. From berries to barley, einkorn, emmer, grapes

    • @msx94
      @msx94 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not neolithic it's antique

  • @MrPaul985
    @MrPaul985 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A couple cousins of mine and I have been getting into beer brewing lately, I can’t wait to to show them this as my suggestion for next month’s batch. We make 5gal a batch though so we’ll have to see how it does scaling up.

  • @hakanolausson1367
    @hakanolausson1367 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    The lack of sweetness from the date syrup may be due to the sugar having been fermented into alcohol. If one adds, for example, raspberries to a batch of beer that is fermenting then the resulting beer gets more sour (level of sourness depending on the amount of berries, but a good sourness) because the sugars are fermented but the sourness of the raspberries is still intact.

  • @laerethian1
    @laerethian1 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Great video! From a brewer and (ex) archaeologist point of view, I really appreciated this! I would add that since ancient ovens for baking malt were wood ovens, there is almost the certainty that the beers were "smoked" in flavor, and probably on the darkish side of color (since it was very hard to keep a steady temperature during the malting process, so most grains would get more torrified than expected). This is at least what used to happen in pre-industrial beers, so the guess is that it also applied to ancient ones.

  • @TheWinterShadow
    @TheWinterShadow 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm working on my doctorate in international affairs and this video was quite interesting. Thank you for sharing.

  • @gregoryambres1897
    @gregoryambres1897 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your perfect content and excellent sense of humor make your posts delightul and always something new to discover, fascinating and entertaining in the meanwhile. AND we get awesome, classical recipes that no one would ever get anywhere else. You rock, Max. We love you.

  • @kurtlindner
    @kurtlindner ปีที่แล้ว +77

    8:32 Jamie: "...I don't know what potentates are. That's what they serve in school cafeterias, right?"
    This episode would've been a perfect collaboration with How To Make Everything (I'm pretty sure Andy passed this milestone since the reset).

    • @mary-janereallynotsarah684
      @mary-janereallynotsarah684 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Potentate famine ravaged Ireland.

    • @jakeaurod
      @jakeaurod ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew, Po-Ten-Tates!

  • @IskarJarek
    @IskarJarek ปีที่แล้ว +157

    Was hoping for a post credits scene of max passed out in the kitchen, with jamie trying to wake him up.

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      A post-credits scene of Max accidentally giving the secrets of civilization to the cat

    • @TTFerdinand
      @TTFerdinand ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 After finishing that beer he probably did, but Men In Black showed up before he could upload any of it.

    • @cameronansley7950
      @cameronansley7950 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha that would be funny. And declaring his undying love to the stove.

  • @St0rmTheGates
    @St0rmTheGates ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video. Love your format. Keep up the good work :)

  • @hjelsethak
    @hjelsethak ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude, you deserve sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many more subscribers. Your content is fresh as hell, given your sources. Which I hope you take as a compliment. ;)

  • @lynngrant1318
    @lynngrant1318 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Many years ago Readers Digest had an article that spoke of the ancient beer recipe. A professional brewer was at an archeology conference and realized what it was. He went on to make the beer and documented his journey. It’s worth a read.

  • @strangeaslife
    @strangeaslife ปีที่แล้ว +102

    I'm laughing way too hard at the patty cake bit 🤣

  • @graceygrumble
    @graceygrumble 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was so interesting and fun. Cheers!

  • @cccaaa9034
    @cccaaa9034 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bumper sticker: "Don't give up the keys to civilization, drink responsibly." -Enki

    • @Sam-nc9cy
      @Sam-nc9cy หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂nice one

  • @veridico84
    @veridico84 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    As a beer maker, this is really cool to watch.
    You should cook your mash at 60°C odd, to extract the sugars for fermentation.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That process wouldn't be widespread until the New Kingdom of Egypt era with their own brewing industry. Until then, what you see in the video is how the first beer was made...

    • @veridico84
      @veridico84 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Thank you, I never knew that.

  • @memunns
    @memunns ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I tried making this but forgot getting a guard dog and some potentates stole my beer!

  • @occamraiser
    @occamraiser 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Most interesting - and very well presented - Thank you.

  • @hamham_182
    @hamham_182 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool clip thanks mate!