I mean, it's no New Vegas, but it's definitely an improvement working as best it can within the limits of 4's terrible dialogue system design limitions
If you add Sim Settlements 2 to the game first, It's pretty good as a 'side quest' zone. There was still a bit too much about Far Harbour that was broken for me otherwise. Yeah it was still the best DLC, but man.....
"Enjoyable disappointment" is the term I've been using for a while to describe Fallout 4. Coming from New Vegas, F4 falls short due to stripping out so many RPG mechanics that made NV great. But, once you get past that, there's enough to be an enjoyable experience. I've put nearly 2k hours into F4 and will probably keep going back to it (mainly due to mods like Sim Settlements 2 and London) but there will always be that "what could've been" feeling thinking about NV worldbuilding and roleplaying experience with updated graphics and shooting mechanics.
Fallout 4 is my favorite game in the series, but yeah it's got some of the most problems of the mainline titles. However it's teetering on the edge of greatness so much that if it combined some of NV's rpg game mechanics, it would just about be the best in the franchise gameplay wise. Story is definitely something it has against it compared to NV, but it's passable.
Fallout 4 is best when its a hardcore survival imo. I like the mod that completely cancels fast travel except between settlements connected by supply lines. Theres was one fantastic mod that lets you treat legendary effects on weapons and armor as if they were regular mods so you could remove them and put them on items youll actually use
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE I don't disagree that fallout 4 is at it's funnest on survival but honestly, I think the vertibird fast travel is good enough. I think the institute should let you teleport since it's the only faction in survival that actually sucks
I remember my first Fallout 3 experience. Never played any Fallout games but my best friend had a copy & let me play. I had a jist of what to do, being a FPS kinda game. Once I left the vault, all clean & whatnot, I saw a water tower in the distance (if you've played F3, then you know) I walked to it to investigate & saw an interaction option. I drank from it & got irradiated. My buddy said "Wtf do you think would happen? It's a nuclear wasteland!"
Fallout 4 is a lot more advanced and pretty, but it has none of the character of the previous installments. Fallout 3 and 4 feel like adventure games whereas NV is a real RPG. Leaving out the ammo crafting was also a pretty glaring omission, I loved making ammo in NV.
I remember playing the game around the time it first released and I didn't have much fun with it. After setting it aside for about a year and only coming back because I paid $60 for it so I was gonna find some kind of enjoyment, I did. Now knowing I wasn't getting a game with the traditional fallout experience I instead embraced what the game did well, which was environments and gunplay. I started treating it as an adventure shooter set in the fallout universe and found myself enjoying it way more after that.
I feel like they could have done so much more with the story, maybe make the minute men sort of the commonwealth version of the NCR, a powerful New England family and the institute, all wanting control of Boston.
Everyone seems to have the opposite experience that i had, which just makes me incredibly cursed. Fallout 4 works perfectly fine right out of the box. But then i have spent hours trying to get New Vegas to not crash on title screen to no avail.
It’s not a game I’d play actively but once it gets to a certain season, I try to have fun and stumble upon something new or forgotten about thanks to my memory being fuzzy
I remember watching my cousin play Fallout 4 and thinking, "That looks cool! I'll give it a try!" Got the game and noticed it came with Fallout 3, so I decided I'd play that first to go about it chronologically. I had no expectations of the game, but ended up liking it a lot, so you could imagine how hyped I was to finally play Fallout 4 only for it to fall flat on its face. I did not care for it much and was fairly disappointed. Then much later decided to try out Fallout: New Vegas after hearing so much good things about it. Five words: Best twenty dollars ever spent. Despite that, I'll always appreciate Fallout 4 for being my gateway to the Fallout series, even if it wasn't my first Fallout game. After all, it led to the discovery of the your YT channels and Fallout: New Vegas. One day I'll finally buy myself a PC and finally be able to try out some of the Fallout mods, and maybe get into modding myself
Ive taken a loooong break from Fallout 4 and started playing Skyrim just because of your videos. But I know one thing will bring me back to play again, the piggy bank launcher! 😂
I was needed to play a lot of this game, because we (half the time was me) did a full fan-made localization of Fallout 4 to hungarian language. Need to a lot of checking and bug-finding about the text of the different texts and conversations. So, I did put around 1000-1100 hours into the game, because I am liking it, too :D
FO4 wasn’t fun until the mods mostly because the base game bothers my OCD self. So much of the game revolves around the settlements and they could have done so much better with it. However the fighting is fun, I appreciate the weapons upgrade and armor upgrade more than in the other games. I liked the character creator. I liked the voice actors I just wish the character model was better animated during dialogue. Visually the color pallet is less bland and makes it easier to see things than in FO:NV or FO3 which were visually bland. There were parts of the story that were good and characters I liked a lot. I just wish Bethesda had more of a Larian mindset where they sent out “patches” that would address their customers concerns and add additional gameplay options or endings to flesh out the story. Bethesda really hasn’t done much outside of their made for you to pay creation club which is full of unaddressed bugs and glitches.
I had the opposite experience. I was enthralled with Fallout 4 at first, spent countless hours building Sanctuary up to be a respectable community, treasure hunted awesome legendary weapons, explored the perk system and mostly enjoyed the story (Institute was stupid even at the first playthrough.) But as I poured more and more hours into it, I started to realize just how dull the characters could be. How pointless a good chunk of the quests were, and how quickly those legendaries start to pile up. Lack of player choice really does hurt this game. Kellogg was easily one of the better characters Bethesda made, and I wish we could have explored further into his character. Far Harbor was incredibly fun, hated the brain puzzle. Automaton really gave me some fun with the story and custom mechs. Got frustrated at the workshops DLCs since they were basically charging for features you could get off the mod shop. And Nuka World...well, if you're a goody two shoes like me, you're gonna have a rough time.c
i feel like the Bethesda Fallouts are based more around the survival difficulty. radiant quests would be decent and easy ways to get early game loot and levels. after the first run i played it to see how i could break it. like getting out of the vault without the pipboy or getting to areas that you would normally need end game gear to reach. i even did a melee only run and it was actually fun killing a death claw with a tire iron.
I enjoyed 3 & 4 due to the pandemic. Leveled up to 90 in 4. Hit 20 in 3. Three months with those games. I enjoyed the mods. The settlement system is nice. 3 is a bastard to run on pc and believe me I’ve tried.
My issue with 4 is that the BoS and Institute are cartoonishly evil. Like the Legion is inarguably evil but they’re evil in a realistic way, slavery, warmongering, genocide are their price for relative stability and rule of law. The institute has zero intentions of helping anyone and the BoS are just tech racists. I love the concept of the “Synth Dilemma” but I despise how impotent and limp wristed Bethesda handled it (even in FH). The toughest decision in 4 is “genocide, no genocide but slavery, or freedom” which isn’t much of a choice tbh.
Try far harbor that dlc have quite much to offer best with Nick for extra interactions. For me that dlc is written better than base game and yet still there might be tad annoying moments tho wont spoil anything if you not played it. Btw far harbor might have quite few endings even some connected to Boston main factions like Bos or institute.
The fallout series was great, When i was a child with nothing to compare it to. New vegas will always be in my top 5 video games of all time, but hindsight being 20/20 i realize how much potential these games truly had. Fallout 3 and 4 arent great RPG games, you dont really get to be the bad guy ever, besides maybe putting the fev in the water in 3. New vegas was great in that you really could just be a dick to everyone and it fit. I also think creation club has fucked these games. These mods that should have been free, Or even already in the game. But theyre explicitly just fucking cash grabs. Paid mods with a different name. Fallout 4 was also very annoying with them repeatable radiant quests, Preston garvey became a meme because of this lmao, It reminded me of the Skyrim quests to become the guild master, where if you dont know, You need to do 9 quests in each city, and then do a special quest. Not hard at all, but the act of doing a quest and going back to the ragged flagon 45 or so times is SO ANNOYING. I almost gaurantee i got the number of thieves guild quests wrong but my point stands, it takes forever.
Far Harbor and nuka world is honestly a little over rated in my opinion, it still feels so fallout 4, false sense of completion and decision making. Its like the base game where any choice made has no real big impact to the game. Leaves me with the feeling of "seriously? that's it?"
I can tell you for a fact it didnt get fun after 400hr, gods how I hate myself for wasting so much time on it, far harbor was ok tho (compared to the massive turd that is the main game)
I pre-ordered it too. Only game I've ever pre-ordered. And the last one I will ever pre-order. I went in with the idea of taking over The Institute and freeing the Synths. Using Gen-2s to rebuild the infrastructure of Boston. Imagine my surprise when becoming the leader of The Institute meant I become a slaver lord tyrant. I was incredibly disappointed.
Fallout 4 is a game with a lot of good decisions and ideas that were screwed up or not develop properly. It has the bones of a much better fallout game
Look at New Vegas, made by a team who knew how fallout should work. Bethesda and more importantly Todd Howard got jealous and envious of the success and their egos were hit hard. That's why their games from 2011 onward are dumbed down, and it's also vecause of TES 3. They allowed you to kill anyone but it messed things up so bad you'd have to reload a save. They don't want to have to implement that kind of system again, if a system works and prints out the most money the they will stick with it. Until we hit the wallets of Bethesda they will never change. I'm a fan of their games but there neess to be a reform and complete overhaul of the company.
"Fun, Eventually" is a great way to put it
The title should have been "Fun, with mods"
Far Harbor is legitimately some of the best Fallout that Bethesda has made, I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
True just wish the rest of the game hade been the same quality
I mean, it's no New Vegas, but it's definitely an improvement working as best it can within the limits of 4's terrible dialogue system design limitions
@coenisgreat New Vegas is developed by Obsidian, 4 and it's DLC was developed by Bethesda. NV was just published by Bethesda.
@@ninjaxenomorph yeah and they created new vegas on a very short time. I wish they hade been allowed more time.
The only downside to far harbor is that annoying cyberspace mission, other than that it’s awesome
Fun, eventually, after you've modded it beyond being Fallout 4 any more.
Mike, Far Harbor really does dial up the role playing. You should give it a go at some point, it's amazing.
It barely passes
If you add Sim Settlements 2 to the game first, It's pretty good as a 'side quest' zone. There was still a bit too much about Far Harbour that was broken for me otherwise. Yeah it was still the best DLC, but man.....
Lol, "dialing up the role playing". I think you, like Bethesda, don't know what role playing actually is. Well Besthesda USED to know anyway
"Enjoyable disappointment" is the term I've been using for a while to describe Fallout 4. Coming from New Vegas, F4 falls short due to stripping out so many RPG mechanics that made NV great. But, once you get past that, there's enough to be an enjoyable experience. I've put nearly 2k hours into F4 and will probably keep going back to it (mainly due to mods like Sim Settlements 2 and London) but there will always be that "what could've been" feeling thinking about NV worldbuilding and roleplaying experience with updated graphics and shooting mechanics.
Kinda applies to most of Bethesda's games honestly.
Fallout 4 is my favorite game in the series, but yeah it's got some of the most problems of the mainline titles. However it's teetering on the edge of greatness so much that if it combined some of NV's rpg game mechanics, it would just about be the best in the franchise gameplay wise. Story is definitely something it has against it compared to NV, but it's passable.
Fallout 4 is best when its a hardcore survival imo. I like the mod that completely cancels fast travel except between settlements connected by supply lines.
Theres was one fantastic mod that lets you treat legendary effects on weapons and armor as if they were regular mods so you could remove them and put them on items youll actually use
@@GaMeRfReAkLIVE I don't disagree that fallout 4 is at it's funnest on survival but honestly, I think the vertibird fast travel is good enough. I think the institute should let you teleport since it's the only faction in survival that actually sucks
I remember my first Fallout 3 experience. Never played any Fallout games but my best friend had a copy & let me play. I had a jist of what to do, being a FPS kinda game. Once I left the vault, all clean & whatnot, I saw a water tower in the distance (if you've played F3, then you know) I walked to it to investigate & saw an interaction option. I drank from it & got irradiated. My buddy said "Wtf do you think would happen? It's a nuclear wasteland!"
Fallout 4 is a lot more advanced and pretty, but it has none of the character of the previous installments. Fallout 3 and 4 feel like adventure games whereas NV is a real RPG. Leaving out the ammo crafting was also a pretty glaring omission, I loved making ammo in NV.
I remember playing the game around the time it first released and I didn't have much fun with it. After setting it aside for about a year and only coming back because I paid $60 for it so I was gonna find some kind of enjoyment, I did.
Now knowing I wasn't getting a game with the traditional fallout experience I instead embraced what the game did well, which was environments and gunplay. I started treating it as an adventure shooter set in the fallout universe and found myself enjoying it way more after that.
I feel like they could have done so much more with the story, maybe make the minute men sort of the commonwealth version of the NCR, a powerful New England family and the institute, all wanting control of Boston.
Try Sim Settlements 2 Overhaul.
Seriously. It's more of what the game SHOULD have been.
Everyone seems to have the opposite experience that i had, which just makes me incredibly cursed.
Fallout 4 works perfectly fine right out of the box. But then i have spent hours trying to get New Vegas to not crash on title screen to no avail.
I'm still undecided of wether or not I should envy the people who enjoy this game, because by God, I never could
It’s not a game I’d play actively but once it gets to a certain season, I try to have fun and stumble upon something new or forgotten about thanks to my memory being fuzzy
Fun... eventually...with mods
Modding is the absolute biggest highlight of FO4
I remember watching my cousin play Fallout 4 and thinking, "That looks cool! I'll give it a try!" Got the game and noticed it came with Fallout 3, so I decided I'd play that first to go about it chronologically. I had no expectations of the game, but ended up liking it a lot, so you could imagine how hyped I was to finally play Fallout 4 only for it to fall flat on its face. I did not care for it much and was fairly disappointed. Then much later decided to try out Fallout: New Vegas after hearing so much good things about it. Five words: Best twenty dollars ever spent.
Despite that, I'll always appreciate Fallout 4 for being my gateway to the Fallout series, even if it wasn't my first Fallout game. After all, it led to the discovery of the your YT channels and Fallout: New Vegas. One day I'll finally buy myself a PC and finally be able to try out some of the Fallout mods, and maybe get into modding myself
Mfs really think picking up garbage to make a gun 4% better is peak gaming.
Ive taken a loooong break from Fallout 4 and started playing Skyrim just because of your videos.
But I know one thing will bring me back to play again, the piggy bank launcher! 😂
Sim Settlements 2 makes the Fallout 4 Game so incredibly better it's unreal. They did more of an AAA+ game than Bethesda did.
Kinggath casually carrying Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield.
You guys should def play far harbor, i dont think you'll regret it
I was needed to play a lot of this game, because we (half the time was me) did a full fan-made localization of Fallout 4 to hungarian language. Need to a lot of checking and bug-finding about the text of the different texts and conversations. So, I did put around 1000-1100 hours into the game, because I am liking it, too :D
FO4 wasn’t fun until the mods mostly because the base game bothers my OCD self. So much of the game revolves around the settlements and they could have done so much better with it. However the fighting is fun, I appreciate the weapons upgrade and armor upgrade more than in the other games. I liked the character creator. I liked the voice actors I just wish the character model was better animated during dialogue. Visually the color pallet is less bland and makes it easier to see things than in FO:NV or FO3 which were visually bland. There were parts of the story that were good and characters I liked a lot. I just wish Bethesda had more of a Larian mindset where they sent out “patches” that would address their customers concerns and add additional gameplay options or endings to flesh out the story. Bethesda really hasn’t done much outside of their made for you to pay creation club which is full of unaddressed bugs and glitches.
I had the opposite experience. I was enthralled with Fallout 4 at first, spent countless hours building Sanctuary up to be a respectable community, treasure hunted awesome legendary weapons, explored the perk system and mostly enjoyed the story (Institute was stupid even at the first playthrough.)
But as I poured more and more hours into it, I started to realize just how dull the characters could be. How pointless a good chunk of the quests were, and how quickly those legendaries start to pile up.
Lack of player choice really does hurt this game. Kellogg was easily one of the better characters Bethesda made, and I wish we could have explored further into his character.
Far Harbor was incredibly fun, hated the brain puzzle. Automaton really gave me some fun with the story and custom mechs. Got frustrated at the workshops DLCs since they were basically charging for features you could get off the mod shop. And Nuka World...well, if you're a goody two shoes like me, you're gonna have a rough time.c
I can hear Zach "FALLOUT 4 IS NOT A ROLEPLAYING GAME!"
i feel like the Bethesda Fallouts are based more around the survival difficulty. radiant quests would be decent and easy ways to get early game loot and levels. after the first run i played it to see how i could break it. like getting out of the vault without the pipboy or getting to areas that you would normally need end game gear to reach. i even did a melee only run and it was actually fun killing a death claw with a tire iron.
Nuka world and far harbor are some of the best parts of fallout 4 minus a quest similar to Kellogg brain sequence
I loved my survival playthrough
I enjoyed 3 & 4 due to the pandemic. Leveled up to 90 in 4. Hit 20 in 3. Three months with those games.
I enjoyed the mods. The settlement system is nice. 3 is a bastard to run on pc and believe me I’ve tried.
And just when I started a new fo4 run
Try Fallout: London, instead. It's much better.
I'd love to hear your retrospective on skyrim
Fallout 4 is like Garry's Mod in my eyes, a sandbox where you write your own stories
dam... ur intro sounded so so much like me, only oblivion is the game that clicked for me first
far harbor and nuka world are actually really fun, much better than the base game imo, you and zach should try it out sometime
It truly is fun, if your computer can run it 😔
U should definitely try far harbor its a better quest experience
I sincerely recommend playing through far harbor, it's the only part of the game where your story complaints are addressed.
You should check out Joseph Anderson‘s vids on FO4.
I‘m of the camp that Bethesda makes shitty RPGs but decent and comfy immersive sims.
By trophy you mean achievements ?
My issue with 4 is that the BoS and Institute are cartoonishly evil. Like the Legion is inarguably evil but they’re evil in a realistic way, slavery, warmongering, genocide are their price for relative stability and rule of law. The institute has zero intentions of helping anyone and the BoS are just tech racists.
I love the concept of the “Synth Dilemma” but I despise how impotent and limp wristed Bethesda handled it (even in FH). The toughest decision in 4 is “genocide, no genocide but slavery, or freedom” which isn’t much of a choice tbh.
Try far harbor that dlc have quite much to offer best with Nick for extra interactions. For me that dlc is written better than base game and yet still there might be tad annoying moments tho wont spoil anything if you not played it. Btw far harbor might have quite few endings even some connected to Boston main factions like Bos or institute.
The fallout series was great, When i was a child with nothing to compare it to. New vegas will always be in my top 5 video games of all time, but hindsight being 20/20 i realize how much potential these games truly had. Fallout 3 and 4 arent great RPG games, you dont really get to be the bad guy ever, besides maybe putting the fev in the water in 3.
New vegas was great in that you really could just be a dick to everyone and it fit.
I also think creation club has fucked these games. These mods that should have been free, Or even already in the game. But theyre explicitly just fucking cash grabs. Paid mods with a different name.
Fallout 4 was also very annoying with them repeatable radiant quests, Preston garvey became a meme because of this lmao, It reminded me of the Skyrim quests to become the guild master, where if you dont know, You need to do 9 quests in each city, and then do a special quest. Not hard at all, but the act of doing a quest and going back to the ragged flagon 45 or so times is SO ANNOYING. I almost gaurantee i got the number of thieves guild quests wrong but my point stands, it takes forever.
Elder Scrolls 6 is going to suck. Calling it here and now.
I want you to be wrong so bad, but I genuinely have no faith in Bethesda and their ability to make something we want anymore
@@jessereed8416 I wouldn't mind being wrong either.
Im supriced to hwar you praise Folon after it seems that letsplay series you and Zack did of that has seemingly died...
I dont hate fallout 4 i just dislike the story writing, its a good game
Far Harbor and nuka world is honestly a little over rated in my opinion, it still feels so fallout 4, false sense of completion and decision making. Its like the base game where any choice made has no real big impact to the game. Leaves me with the feeling of "seriously? that's it?"
so you dont like video games
I can tell you for a fact it didnt get fun after 400hr, gods how I hate myself for wasting so much time on it, far harbor was ok tho (compared to the massive turd that is the main game)
I disagree with the title. The late game is really bad for base 4. Actually so is the mid game. But then again, the early game isn't that fun either.
1 & 2 were better.
33rd comment huzzah
I pre-ordered it too. Only game I've ever pre-ordered. And the last one I will ever pre-order.
I went in with the idea of taking over The Institute and freeing the Synths. Using Gen-2s to rebuild the infrastructure of Boston.
Imagine my surprise when becoming the leader of The Institute meant I become a slaver lord tyrant.
I was incredibly disappointed.
Fallout 4 is a game with a lot of good decisions and ideas that were screwed up or not develop properly. It has the bones of a much better fallout game
Look at New Vegas, made by a team who knew how fallout should work. Bethesda and more importantly Todd Howard got jealous and envious of the success and their egos were hit hard. That's why their games from 2011 onward are dumbed down, and it's also vecause of TES 3. They allowed you to kill anyone but it messed things up so bad you'd have to reload a save. They don't want to have to implement that kind of system again, if a system works and prints out the most money the they will stick with it. Until we hit the wallets of Bethesda they will never change. I'm a fan of their games but there neess to be a reform and complete overhaul of the company.
Mike you made a lot of the points that made fallout 4 one of my least favorite games of the series. Its pretty but shallow
Fallout 4 is a lot of fun if you condition yourself to not play it like a fallout game