I'm an admirer of Verstappen. I think people are taking for granted just how incredible some of his performances have been the past few years because him and Red bull have been so dominant. We saw in Canada then even with the third best car on the weekend, Max still makes the difference. I hope Verstappen will have more title battles in his career, as people will then begin to pay attention to just how legendary he really is.
Aslong as he is winning, people will say he has the best car. Just look at how Perez is doing, and people still think RBR has the best car. I firmly believe that Mclaren atm is the most complete car and edges the RBR. Max was already punching above the cars limits in 2018-2020.
@@bbb229 Bloke just a little - incomplete - excerpt of his performances: - As a kid in karting Max rode 53 races of which he WON 51, and in the two that did not win he DNF for mechanical problems. - In karting Max became European Champion 2x in a row and then he became World Champion in a season where he completely dominated the field and destroyed all top level riders, including people like Charles LeClerk etc etc. - Going from karts to cars Max skipped the learner classes and immediately went to F3, where he immediately won 10 races, of which 6 in a row and became 3d in the championship, despite several DNF's. - Then - again - Max skipped the intermediate classes and after that he became the YOUNGEST ever F1 driver in 2016 aged 17, - A year later Verstappen was promoted to the Red Bull team and immediately he WON his first Grand Prix in the Red Bull (Barcelona) in a car that was no better than the Alpha Tauri of today. - Also in 2016 he HUMILIATED the complete field (including Alonso) in the Rain in Brazil. - Also BEFORE 2022, when the MERC AND FERRARI where still the FASTER cars, Max already WON 20 GP's - in 2021 he became the RIGHTFULL WDC, despite being Torpedo'd at Silverstone at 250 mph by Hamilton who was not punished for that crime. He WON the Most GP's and became CHAMPION in a car that was then SLOWER then the Merc. - In his own team Max has outqualified ALL his teammates (except the first year in RB, when he was still 17 and new and the car had been designed and setup for the much more experienced Ricciardo) by a margin of 20 to 1 or so. - In the WET training Montreal, while the others where still struggling to cope, and Perez again missed his braking points (in the SAME car!) Verstappen immediately set a FAST time that was 1.2 whole seconds (!) faster than everybody else and even 1.7 seconds faster than Hamilton (the so called "rain master"?)...
@@rientsdijkstra4266good summary, but a couple things are false or misleading. He entered F1 in 2015, not in 2016. He did one year in the Torro Rosso, which is now known as VCARB. 2016 was his second year in F1. After three races in the Torro Rosso that year, he was promoted to Red Bull for the fourth race that year, which was Spain, which he won. He won his first race in the Red Bull, not his first race in F1. The Mercedes took each other out that race, and the Red Bull was about equal to the Ferrari, so he won that race in arguably the best car (together with the Ferrari). You also said he won 20 races before 2022 in the second or third best car. In reality, he won 10 races before 2021 in the second or third best car. For some of the races he won in 2021, he had a car that was slightly better than the Mercedes or equal to the Mercedes. Only in the second half of the 2021 season, he had a worse car than the Mercedes. On balance, I still think the RB16b was worse than the W12. I believe Max would’ve been world champion in the W12 as well.
@@Real_ghostboi Thanks! You are correct. To be honest I have this little list in some file, to show when people say that Max didn't win anything before he got the best car at RB (you will be amazed how short sighted and short of memory many people are). But I edited the thing a few times, and I must have made editing mistake somewhere, conflating two items on the list. I am going to look into it!
@@andyfry745 As Ron Dennis once said about EJ: “I consider Formula 1 a family, and families live in villages. And villages always have a village idiot. He fits the bill perfectly"
@@bovenkoker Phenom, noun: someone or something extremely successful, especially someone young in sports who achieves a lot very quickly. I guess you learned a new word.
@@itsnodee4612 My brother gave me a good tip. When you learn a new word use it at first opportunity and it will become part of your vocabulary...it works.
20 years from now, the people who slag him on social media today will be bragging that they saw him race "back in the day". Senna was despised by British F1 fans while he was racing, mostly for his intense rivalry with Mansell. A few years after his untimely death, and everybody is a fan.
Funny how everybody in here disagreeing with Eddie, yet none of them have even seen a driver in person or have first hand experience. I tend to listen to people who have done it and who have been there, not "Sunday sofa sitting experts" LOL !!!!! Haters will hate, thank you for being honest about Max Eddie !!!
Rubbish. Firstly it is impossible to compare drivers from different eras. Secondly Jordan is like Eccelstone, has an opinion on the same topic for every day of the week. Been listening to him for 40 years now. He never had Senna in F1 and only had Schumacher for less than half a Spa lap. Bullshitter
@@John-mi2rt Since Lauda labelled Max as the talent of the century after his win in Spain back in 2016, you'd think mr. Jordan is on to something. At least a lot more than you would ever be on to anything as the keyboard hero that you are. Oh, and if you actually listened to what he had to say in this video instead of ramming your keyboard in blind rage, you'd know Jordan was talking about Senna in the then equivalent of F3, he never claimed to have worked with him in F1, just in F3. But as with all the greats, it is visible in the early feeder classes when a mesmerising talent steps in, happened to Senna as it happened to Max when dr. Marko short-tracked him straight to a seat in F1 for TR.
EJ has a tremendous amount of experience in F1, first hand experience. But he’s welcome to his opinions, but he’s not God. Disagreement doesn’t make us hater’s. I love the sport of F1, the drivers are just a part of the whole experience.
@@EntropicExergy Off you go mouthpiece, compare Senna and Verstappen. Problem here with claiming Jordan is right is that you have to claim he's right on everything he says. Or is he just right on things that suit your agenda. Over 40 years following F1 gives me the right to have an opinion. You don't like that or if that takes you out of your pathetic safe space, tough
@@John-mi2rt Uhm no, i don't, everyone is right some time and wrong most of the time. Very few are able to consistently get it right, though you seem quite good at getting it wrong all the time. Look, all those claims about having followed F1 for x years mean very little if you get offended when someone in the game makes statements. Because that makes it only seem like a couple of years, since that is how toddlers react to things they don't like.
I never stopped watching since the days of Senna, but now is the time that most exciting, no-one beats Max, he's sensational. And I never imagined I'd ever say so.
You can't compare them, to be honest. Consider the opposition they drive against, all three are highly skilled in all areas. Also Verstappen is actively racing, and it's uncertain where his legacy will end. We can therefor only look at their skills behind the wheel, which makes it really hard to say who is better. I can make a strong case for all three drivers being better than the other and having their own standout qualities or weaknesses compared to other legendary drivers. Butt still you can’t say Verstappen, Schumacher or Senna is better than the other. Senna: Standout: His raw pace and driver IQ are most notable for him, setting him apart from the others. That first lap at Donington in the wet, where he made the other drivers look like amateurs by going from P5 to P1 in the opening lap, was legendary. He passed Schumacher, Prost, and Hill-all world champions. The qualifying lap at Monaco where he was 1.5 seconds ahead of his teammate, legendary driver Prost, is another example. Only Verstappen is comparably, close to this. Maybe on the same level. Also their IQ to push boundaries and make the FIA change rules to literally stop them from gaining an advantage is why they are often compared to one another. Biggest weakness: Compared to Prost, Senna was weaker in terms of setups and tire conservation during a race, which were Prost's strongest skills. What I consider his biggest weakness was his "win at all costs" mentality. How many times did we see Senna tangle with back markers, break a car with a healthy lead, or go off trying to win in a car that wasn't capable? 1988 epitomized this-despite outpacing Prost most of the year, he nearly lost the title because of all his DNFs. While his passion for winning made him great, it also led to his untimely death. I think Verstappen has balanced this far out better. Verstappen: Standout: Raw pace, qualifying, overtaking, ability to adapt or push a car to it’s limits even when the car is inferior to its competitor, Max always has an answer. If it’s a last lap in Abu Dabi, or If it’s Canada 2024, Hockenheim 2019 or Interlagos 2016 in extremists conditions he always delivers. Driving race lines that people couldn’t find, drive or think of puling it of, shows his immense class as a driver. His standout is his coldness and ability to deal with high these high pressure moments. Where it gives normal people anxiety or hampers their performance, it gives him wings, so to speak. It drives him to go even faster. Which is really special for me as a Dutchy, because Dutch sportsmen (Like in Football or Tennis) mostly choke or crack under high pressure moments. Biggest Weakness: His defensive skills stand out. Due to the current cars, it's really hard to defend because of the DRS advantage, which gives drivers much more power than the defensive driver, making it nearly impossible to defend for multiple laps. However, Verstappen always closes the door early on corners or at the end of straights, which gives the chasing driver a chance to get closer. This gives them a slight advantage. Therefore, you need to keep your opponent out of DRS range or use all the space on the track to make a stand. To keep the opponent behind, you need to use the track's space effectively. Position your car so the opponent is beside you, allowing you to control both the space and their movements. Side-by-side battles are rare with Verstappen, which is seen as a weakness. By making the racing line narrower, you can restrict the opponent's movements, making it easier to defend. Alonso excels at this strategy, a skill rarely seen in Verstappen's current cars driving (2019-2024). Schumacher: Also highly skilled in all areas. His testing and car development skills were excellent. The best from all others, but it seems that Max comes also really close on this level aswell. But I can’t confirm this yet. His particular excellence was his ability to operate at his peak on every lap, of every race, for years at a time. There are certain races where he executed a very high demanding, but perfect strategy due to his insane “qualifying drive”. Races where he only could win if he would drive the car on the edge as in qualifying performance, but then for 20 laps straight. Thats something you don’t see these days anymore. But there are two specific points that have been covered by people who worked with him: Michael Schumacher was perfect except in one regard: He was not very good at protecting the rear tires. This was always his problem, and even when we were dominant, it was something we always asked him to improve. I don't think he ever did. When the formula featured very strong Bridgestone tires, his weakness was not visible to anyone except those of us at Ferrari with the data. - Andrea Stella , McLaren team principal and former Ferrari engineer. Tire management was a significant factor that Michael was lacking in that regard. According to Damon Hill, Schumacher's weakness lay in his ability to handle pressure or change his approach to driving when under pressure, citing incidents with Jacques Villeneuve and, of course, himself. He always performed best when the championship was a walkover or when he was acknowledged as the underdog. Alonso and Clark are also contenders for this list, but ultimately, it comes down to personal preference. It's challenging to compare these drivers, considering they competed in different eras of motorsport. Each driver has left an indelible mark on the sport in their own unique way, making direct comparisons difficult and subjective.
Yesterday he won in the 3rd fastest car, Lando was doing 2 seconds per lap faster then Max...Russell was faster in general. Max made the difference playing with the setup during the race. He had to stay off the curbs with the suspension issues. He is the cleanest driver in decades. And having tactical masterminds on the wall also helps. He is the best F1 driver ever. Period
Schu almost won a championship in the 3rd fastest car in 1997. Against a newey rocketship. That season included races where he was 6 seconds a lap faster in monaco and 10 seconds a lap faster in belgium. 10. Never saw that before. Never will again.
@@NoxioLukas I think Max is the best current/modern driver. But firstly Max's level of competition is super low, at most he has 1-2 rivals who can do some real damage?.. Senna raced against 4-5 high level drivers every race, in a more difficult car, on 2000x tracks worse and with often low-level teams... Stop sucking Max's eggs.
@@VitorGamesPlayy So are we just going to ignore the obvious? I didnt watch back then but when I look at qualifying results, the gap from p1 to p4 is almost 2 seconds on many occasions and almost always more than 1 second. It is simply not true that that he had to race against 4-5 high level drivers every race. Imagine having a two second pace difference. Literally not a fair fight. The grid this year is the closest it has ever been, so lets not pretend it was that close back then, because it wasnt.
with all restecp though, 10 20 30 40 50 60... if an ape watches F1 for a hundred years its still an ape. older does not necessarily mean you're wiser. but then, i'm just a stupid 90s kid. 😜
People are not noticing that every year since he started racing he has gotten better. Mainly because every year the car seems to get so much better as well. It feels like every weekness he has, he works on it on, and it slowly goes away. Sainz has gotten pretty good since his redbull junior years. But people seem to ignore Max. He was 17, and he also gotten so much better since then. It would be about the same dominance he did in the redbull Junior team. Redbull knows how good max is. They know nobody on the grid can reach him in the same car. They would rather just stick with someone more useful to spread their brand.
@@javgomez1979Always coming up with reasons why Max didn't do this or that. As if Max hasn't yet proven that he belongs among the greatest in F1. You're making a fool of yourself by coming up with this.
@@outlawf1272 Mexicans don't have much to cheer about so you can sort of understand why they latch onto any of their countrymen, even someone as bad as Perez.
Good point. Verstappen in 2021 was still raw, which led to mistakes as we saw in the last few races of that season. If there is a title battle now, Verstappen will approach it much smarter and tactical, whilst still have the aggression and ruthlessness which makes him so good.
Bold assumptions capable of making a lot of people angry but I think he’s right. Everyone didn’t take Helmut Marko seriously when he said that he had found the next Senna to justify replacing Kyviat or whatever the driver was at the time. Right at the beginning of his career he reminded me of Senna on his Lotus years. Marko was right, and his bet has paid off tremendously well, Max is just that good and focused driver that makes very little mistakes.
True. Even Wolff has said as much as that if he could could go back in time he'd have signed Max into the Merc right away. Massive kudos to Marko, as I remember, when Max was first put into F1, then into a Red Bull, there was so much backlash and skepticism. And they were all wrong, and Marko was 100% correct.
The cars of the late 80s to early 2000s are so different to the lame hybrids of today. The entire sport was different so it's difficult to compare. I think Max would very likely be right up there with Senna and Schumi based on what he's done so far in F1 and being the top 1-3 best sim racing drivers in the world. He's able to adapt really well to very different cars and types of racing. He's so devoted to his craft, it's hard to deny him. I'd be curious to see how he'd fare in an MP4/4, MP4/6 or an F2002. Modern cars are so refined and require operating a computer whereas Senna's MP4/6 is an analog beast with very stiff suspension, very little downforce, short wheelbase, no power steering, and a manual h-pattern gearbox. Even Mick Schumacher after driving his dad's F2003 stated that despite having ABS and traction control, the car is more extreme and still depended more on the driver compared to the modern cars. Vettel, Mick, Alonso, Karun, Lewis and other drivers have stated that the older cars relied more on the driver. They're more pure. It's sad what we have today. The cars are so uninspirational.
I agree ! , but doesn't that concern you a little bit is it him or are they not pushing all laps like they use to ... chine he went out on quily , canada just this weekend fallowing gorge he went out , Im concern about maybe they are not in the limit every lap 😢
@@abrahammontessalazar685 I think it’s more the cars are easier to drive on the limit. Today’s cars are not as spectacular to watch. You don’t see the drivers sawing at the steering wheel to keep control the way they used to. But I do believe that’s down to the car more than the driver. Max is mighty and almost faultless. But I do think senna and Schumacher probably had to work a bit harder with the car
@@isaacm2374 It might look that way, but optics can deceive you. Did they have as many settings and tweaks to work with as they do nowadays? B-bal, diff settings, engine modes etc., i doubt they had to worry about those back then. Not to mention those have to be adjusted on the fly, in rainy weather or changing conditions quite often, while being chased by (or chasing down) plenty of other drivers. Modern F1 cars are not that far off from fighter jets like the F16 or the F35 lightning. Good luck trying to control those, you'll find it next to impossible, even if you don't see it because they aren't yanking those steering wheels.
Different cars, different eras. Senna vs Schumacher happened when Senna was at his peak and Schumi was still rising. Verstappen vs Senna vs Schumacher would be interesting to see but we'll never know.
You’ve got to take what Eddie says in his own context. He’s always had a grudge against Schumacher because he backed out of an agreement with Jordan to go to Benetton in ‘91. Same with Senna, he’s never really given him full credit (for whatever reason), even going so far as to say people put him on a pedestal. EJ is hugely knowledgeable about F1 and has experience most of us don’t, but he’s also subject to his own biases and preferences from dealing with F1 characters on a personal level, hence, his opinion is useful, but not gospel…
Time is the biggest test to one's legacy. Senna and Schumacher's legacy still going strong and Max is currently writing his. Personally I have Senna but it would be foolish to cast aside Max... or Lewis for that matter. I'm just happy I've been able to see them all 😊
@@EntropicExergy I think he said he was the ‘talent of the century’ which doesn’t mean anything like the same thing as what EJ was talking about. Talent is completely different to achievement and results. Loads of sportspeople are talented, not all of them achieve greatness. Sounds like your feelings got hurt because someone dared to challenge the narrative against Max. None of what’s been said are facts FYI - even EJ would admit it’s just an opinion Fyi I think Max is a great driver but impossible to compare against Senna and Schumacher.
I watched Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton over the years…I have no doubt Max is the best. Even engineers looking at the GPS data and telemetry could tell you this.
hahaha clownish max spotted here..one of the greats...better than three goats...Schumacher rebuilt a team when ferrari were awful...senna arguably greatest talent ever..There is not a thing lewis cant do...z
So many Lewis fans coping that he can barely beat Russell these days because he doesn't know how to drive a car that isn't the best, but Max has always been able to match someone like Bottas even when Bottas was driving a car that was a second a lap faster.
Lewis is 39. All the greats had retired by then. In his prime he beat Alonso, Button and Rosberg in the same car. Perez only lasted 1 season at McLaren because Button battered him so badly
@@Eric-rf1is Hamilton beat Alonso on the count back of 2nd place finishes. Hamilton beat both Button and Rosberg 2-1 in seasons together. Hamilton had more wins, pole positions and retirements than Rosberg in the season he lost. Verstappen lost 2-1 to Riccardo... Once again, Hamilton's rookie season teammate was Alonso. Riciardo is barely still in F1 now...
If it wasn't for Max Verstappen, F1 would never have had so many new viewers and visitors to the track, he has been the main attraction for a long time and the FIA knows that very well.
I agree. Senna was probably slightly faster, but too inconsistent and error-prone for most of his career (until 1990 actually). Probably the Senna of 1991-1993 could have troubled Max, but not the younger Senna ...
He made mistakes occasionally, but not many, commentators would say "he made a mistake, very uncharacteristic of senna". Btw, he came and beat prost his first year at mclarten, so i think he would be a handful in the 80s also
@@henshin587 i would like to disagree with the assumption that Senna beat Prost in 1988, as Prost actually scored more points than Senna, but back then only the best 11 results counted, which was a disadvantage for consistent drivers like Prost. 1989 is another matter though, and it can be argued that Senna was better than Prost that year. But i consider Prost to be (very) slightly weaker than Verstappen, especially because of his conservative approach in the rain and on street courses ...
Amazes me why so many people are so obsessed with who's the greatest of all time. Let's just enjoy watching the genius's at work. You'll never be able to compare different generations , so why bother ?.
Not comparing, but Max truly is in a different league, he made little to no mistakes and won races back to back and now there's a lot more races so it's even more tiring for the drivers yet Max still delivers. Max deserves a lot of praise especially since Sky Sports and anything British press and haters always downplay his achievements.
I note in the comments, that more people are arguing about which of the 3 drivers mentioned is the best, but few if any include Has-been Hamilton in the top 3. I will never deny that Lewis is extremely talented, but the same argument applies that applies to Max, Lewis has only ever won in an exceptional car. His team mates have also been able to beat him in the same car. The same cannot be said of Max. I've been following the sport for 57 years & Max is on another level.
Lewis has had much tougher competitors. Max has beaten Sergio Perez, Carlos Sainz & Alex Albon , all are not exactly WC material. Lewis has had Rosberg, Button , Prime Fernando Alonso , Bottas & Russell for teammates. Lewis is his first season outperformed Alonso achieving the best rookie performance in F1 history. Second season in F1 , won the title. Im tired of Max fans like yourself constantly undermining Lewis legacy
@@Ismail-su1xu I rate Max very highly, the point about Lewis is true, but you do have a short term memory forgetting Max had stellar results in the bookmarker teams, he's the reason we didn't die of boredom in the dominant Mercedes era, he even out classed your so called Rosberg - Lewis's "threat" on his better days. From Torro Rosso till RedBull Max has nothing else to prove. Though i'd admit, we got denied a proper team mate battle and yes Lewis has had really competitive team mates of all drivers. Sad thing F1 at this point the entire grid is almost pay driver situations, They denied us Lewis - Max combo for money
57 years ok Max never had World champions as teammates and Lewis from 2007-2012 drove at Mclaren had Alonso and Button as teammates Rosberg for 4 years at Mercedes Daniel actually beat Max twice 100% white Lewis Hamilton nobody makes these comments rules literally had to be put in place to bring Lewis back to the pack but hey he's the great white hope I understand it people still mad a black man did what he did Checo shouldn't even be in that car and I'll leave it at that. Lewis gets more hate than any driver in history.
@@DRA25dra There are plenty of other drivers throughout history who got a lot of hate, but Lewis gets what he deserves for being an arrogant little prick & for bringing his BLM politics into the sport & guilt trpping his fellow drivers to take a knee for a worthless cause.
@@Ismail-su1xu But Max beat Lewis in the slower RB in 21. Russell beat Lewis in 22, and is beating him quite soundly this year so far. Last year Russell and Hamilton were equal in qualifying. Hamilton also has lost to other teammates in the past. nobody is denying Lewis' talent but he is simply not on the level of Max. Lewis only does well in an exceptional car, because he is so consistent. to beat max, you need more than a better car, as he once again proved last night in Montreal.
When you can't rely on driving aids...Max is in a league of his own. If he was sitting in that McLaren, he would have lapped everyone on the grid. He pulled a 20 sec lead within like 25 laps after the red flag. Imagine if he started from the front.
Parents were Senna fans but I grew up as a Schumacher fan. Seen every Verstappen race. He's as consistent as both of them albeit with far more consistent and compliant machinery. The one thing he doesn't have on their level is that killer nature. Sure, Verstappen tried aggressive moves with a lesser car but Schumacher and Senna did it even when they had the best car. They'd rather crash out of the race than let you beat them. Alonso has that for example. He just couldn't galvanize a team the way the other 3 could.
Senna will always be my favourite, but I really like Max, brilliant driver, plus absolutely funny as hell with some of his comments when being interviewed! I wish Michael hadn't had that dreadful injury and was in the F1 paddock every now and then to share his opinion!
As you said...They'd rather crash out than let you beat them. Max can do that as well, but has learned that the points are more important for the team. So not fair to compare imo...
Sure of course the cars are more reliable these days, and Senna is still one of the most exciting and fastest drivers, but Max itself is also much more consistent than Senna ever was.. Senna drove 162 GP's in 11 seasons, in were he had 60 DNF's (almost 40%) and out those retirements ,21 of his DNF's were causted by an accident or a collision, that's about 13 %... To compare that to Max who also in his 10th season in F1, and had 32 DNF's in 192 GP's (16%), but only 8 of them were caused by an collision or accident (and 2 of them were for sure not his own fault, Singapore 2017 and Silverstone 2021) That's less than 4 %.. And the last time Max finished a race outside the top 10 after he actual finished a race, was at Spa 2016, and that's about 10 years ago, that's what you can call consistency!..
I think Max is a killer but just not like Senna which cost Senna a lot of race wins because he was too greedy, Max learned to be patient to win but when it's time to be a killer, he's got Senna's spirit and Schumacher's strategic mind.
That is just modern f1. Picking the right fights and don't ruin your tires or strategy. Being killer all the time doesn't work in todays compettition. The top drivers in current f1 can be the killer Senna was, but being consistent is required to have an edge.
Most ppl commenting here never saw Senna in his prime..lol Huge respect for Eddie Jordan but it's one man's opinion. Comparing drivers driving different cars is hard enough let alone comparing drivers from different eras!!
I actually think that if these 3 were in closely matched cars they'd crash into each other every other race as a minimum. Senna was known for putting moves on that were I either pass you or we both crash.
You're most probably not wrong. Haha. IMHO compared to Michael and Senna, Max isn't enough of an asshole. But he also never had to prove it, so who knows how far he'd go against M&S.
He’s had no competition since the first championship, so we will have to wait and see. If RedBull lose their advantage he will have to fight, then we shall see what he is really made of.
@@paultruesdale7680lewis almost never had to fight except for rosberg who beat hamilton and vettel but vettel was nowhere near his level of redbull. Hamilton had some cars that were even more dominant than the rb19 (the W11 for instance). The amount of titles and races you win is predominantly decided by the extend of the period you have the quickest car. What tells you more abt the drivers capabilties is the way they dominate when they have the quickest car. With all due respect, Lewis is one of the all time greats but his win percentage, podium percentage, laps led percentage of one season don’t even come close to Max’s. Lewis never dominated like Max is dominating right now. No disrespect to Lewis tho, he was pure greatness himself but Max is definitely at least on his level if not already better.
@@YLresells I just want to say thank you for praising Max without having to slam other drivers, it's quite rare to see. I'm a Lewis fan because I like him as a person, and I started watching F1 in 2008 (I like all the drivers tbh, apart from a couple). But raw talent cannot be denied, Max is on top of his game right now just like all the other greats were at some point. I'd love someone to challenge Max, because I want to see some racing. F1 is cyclical, eventually someone *will* be able to challenge him, it's just a matter of when that will be.
I think it is so hard to compare a driver now with one in the 80's or 90's. The technology and safety are moons apart. Impossible to say for sure if Max could beat Senna, Schumacher or Prost in the same car. They could probably beat each other. Senna's mentality was so impressive. He joined Prost, a double world champion at McLaren and wasn't going to settle for coming second or easing himself in.
enjoy F1 while the human skill element plays a role. Cause more and more the machine "assists" you in this and that, taking away the fun and the needed skill. Max skillwise is definitely the goat and most fans know it.
RB knew they had something special in Max. Hell, I knew he was going to be breaking a ton of records. People just refused to talk about him being one of the all time greats because "he only had 25 wins". or "he only had 1 championship". He never had much fighting chance before, but when he had the car, he really could do so much with it. He used to be crashtappen. but for the last 3 years, Max has literally had the fewest faults, fewest accidents of all drivers. It was always a matter of time before people started to compare him with Senna and Schumacher.
I like Eddie and his comments, he has a very unique perspective and is highly respected for his no BS/headline grabbing comments and knows what he is talking about. Keeping in mind he brought MSC into F1 and told everyone MSC will make history and change the sport which he did. Eddie has very accurately evaluated many other drivers.
@@arnaldobellucci9033 Yes , I do, but that was not your issue, was it? "The level off" is what you mentioned. The 2015 Toro Rosso was even below that level. Have you seen the races of that 2015 season?
You are right to a point that Senna and Michael would never drive current F1 cars as Max does. Senna would go balistic and Michael would not go out from garage until they were not good (enough).
Max would have certainly won against both of them, and there are reasons for this. 1. Max has been trained in a much more modern and superior manner than Senna or Schumacher were. 2. Max was born into a racing family, where he learned the fundamentals of racing from his parents, akin to learning to walk, who compete at the highest level of the sport. That second point is why Max is so good.
No, I don't think that any of the best of the best from any era would destroy the others. It would be very close margins between them all. It would be like having a race in 2024 with Max vs clones of himself, or Senna doing the same in 1991.
Max has only won races in F1 in a Newey car... His greatness is still not clear. Out of 7 drivers to have won championships in a Newey car, only 1 has won without one, Prost... Think about that....
@@CharlieBeveridge There is Newey cars vs Mercedes 10 more years of development of an engine and then nobody can improve their engine for 5 years cars, thus giving them 0.5-2.0 seconds per lap advantage over every other car... Think about that....
@@handsolo1209 Oh, i know why Merc dominated.. And Max did pick up a few wins during those years before the PU's became even. But the fact remains, he has only won in a Newey car with always the best chassis, balance and aero. I'm in no doubt that Max is great, but how great for me is still to be figured out.
The age-old discussion... Verstappen will certainly rank amongst the Greats of this sport. Period! I don't see any reason to make comparison with Senna and or Schumacher. Verstappen has certainly given a lot of proof why he is as good as he is. As have all the legendary drivers of the past!
Adrian wouldn't have negotiated the early exit and no garden leave if he wasn't going somewhere else - if he was going to retire, he wouldn't have bothered about the garden leave surely?
Well and his own words where he’s said multiple times in different interviews that he’ll take a bit of time off to have a long holiday then probably get back into it. I think Ferrari is the only place he’s going to go personally.
@@petrolthreads_ The fact that Red Bull allowed that might suggest that they made a deal about him not showing up in 2025 at another team (in F1 anyway).
@@Drenwickification IDK Newey doesn't like conflict and he doesn't like red tape why he left Mclaren and now RB. Ferrari is so full of politics, red tape and bureaucracy I cant see him eating up b@llshit like that at 66 years of age . I'm still wondering about the Williams rumors or maybe just a consulting role.
@@petrolthreads_ maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I agree with you that he’ll take another job. Just he’ll have a bit of a break first then get back into it.
It's come to a point where you just look silly and jealous when you deny Max is at least on the level of Senna and Schumacher. There is nothing you can say that can change that. Just the fact that he in addition does it with so little dirty tricks and cheating. He is all the way at the bottom when it comes to penalty points. If you were there during the Schumacher era you know that says A LOT. I think we are watching the best driver in F1 ever.
Eddie Jordan has list it!! Senna did amazing things with not so great cars (1984, 1985, 1993). Max is good right now!! He may never win another title after 2024!! He probably will, but if we have 3 or 4 teams with equally good cars, who knows!!
Eddie has read the 48 laws of power Bernie could have written them. He Mr Jordan knows and I'd suggest it's a matter of the last touches of the deal with Ferrari. If you are a racer of special kind you cant live your life without a time in Ferrari that means Max could venture to the Germans on route to finishing his career with the gargantuan Italians. It's as much a nonsense that Max and Lewis dont live for the greatest status and Mr Nuwey for all his Britishness is no different. Theres no such thing as too much swagger.
Senna had less downforce and speed through the corner meant manhandling the car. The special ability of Senna was sheer bravery. Schumacher had high downforce and infinite tires, his specialty was consistently pushing equipment to the edge of breaking. Ever since 2010 the formula has been fixated on coaxing extended life out of the tires and fuel. Great drivers are adaptable but neither Senna or Schumacher would cope well with the modern formula. It would be amazing to see the field of modern drivers in an exhibition spec race with historical F1 chassis design.
The attitude across all of sports that always glorifies historic figures as once-in-history talents is so odd. Not only is it absurd to try and compare/judge the skillsets across different eras, but it ignores that the level of competition in all sports generally goes up over time. We are absolutely watching a historic great and he's shown it in many ways. He's elevated substandard cars to implausible outcomes and he's also been able to help develop a dominant car. He shows incredible mental fortitude and has (for years now) made consistently good decisions in-race as to managing pace, tires, pressure, etc.
Different days, I disagree with Eddie for once. Max’s level of fitness for instance would be so much higher than Senna & Michael. That’s a huge factor.
Here's to EJ, one of the (very) few UK F1 figures/pundits who always--ALWAYS--calls it as he sees it, and isn't in fear of the wrath of a certain British F1 legend by offering such honest praise of Max's brilliance. DC looks uncomfortable, as if simply by sitting next to EJ opining in such a way he's at risk by association of said legend's notorious vengeance upon learning of UK commentators freely speaking such opinions about Max.
The cars and tracks back then were far more dangerous, so what was seen as willing to die in 1988 would be seen as pushing it these days, but the only risk would be getting stuck in a tecpro barrier as opposed to the horror crashes like Ratzenberger, Senna, Barrichello, etc.
It doesn't make any sense to compare F1 drivers from different generations. Schumacher said when they compared him with 5 times winner Fangio from the 50's that he would pee in his pants how they races in those days....
Max is very special, but we'll never know as the cars are very different beasts. I guess the ultimate test would be to put Max in a MP4/4 to see if he could beat Senna's pole time at Monaco given the circuit hasn't changed! All three are special drivers. Especially Schumacher in his younger years at Ferrari during the 90s when the car just wasn't there, especially the 1996 Ferrari he dragged miracles out of.. Privilege to watch all three mentioned :)
Max has not won a single F1 race without driving a Newey car. Until he does, we really don't know how great he is. For now, for me he's in the same bracket as Mika and Vettel. Senna and Schumi won in terrible cars, often... Max has not won in anything but the best car.. Out of the 7 drivers to have won championships in a Newey car, only 1 had won without one, Prost..
Bruuuh. What about all the wins from 2016-2021? Was the Red Bull the best car then? The Mercedes was miles ahead of the competition in the turbo-hybrid era. Sure, Adrian Newey had the best aerodynamic car but that didn't much when you had a shitty renault engine now, did it? THE NERVE.
@@CharlieBeveridge still matters jackshit if the dominating car is faster by 1 second every lap in qualifying and just fucks off into the distance by 4 seconds in just 1 lap after a safety car restart
Bless Eddie he has lost his marbles and still bitter that Schumacher left his tin pot team for Benetton….never mind the championships Schumacher won look how he drove in 96,97,98 and he would have breezed 99 No one comes near Schumacher Senna was second best Max isn’t even the best around now Alonso and Lewis are better in equal cars
Hahahahahaha, Max already beat lulu in an inferior car and Fernando chose not to go to RB because of Max. Max is definitely better than lulu and probably Fernando as well. You have no clue at all.
The problem is that people always value the present more highly than the past. When Senna came along many said he was better than Prost or even Clark, when Schumacher came along many said he was better than Senna (see Brundle in F1 Racing Magazine 1998) when Hamilton came along he was better than Alonso and now we hear about Verstappen that he could beat Schumacher or Senna. Ultimately, both Schumachers were giants and Verstappen is very similar to them, especially Schumacher. Whether he could really beat them - it's impossible to say. They are completely different eras with different cars. In Schumacher's time, it was all about absolute speed. You always had to drive at the absolute limit. Today it's completely different. You actually have to drive as slowly as possible. Both require completely different things. That's why it's difficult to make such judgments. All you can say is that Schumacher, Senna and Verstappen or even Jim Clark were the best drivers of their time. They all drove or drive at such a level that is unique and makes them one of the four greats. And it's impossible to say who was better or who would beat who.
Senna out-qualified one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time by 1.5 seconds IN THE SAME CAR... when Max, Hamilton, and Schumacher do that then come to talk to me
LOL! Are you talking about the 1988 Monaco Grand Prix? LOL You just forgot the say that Alain Prost won that Grand Prix. Qualifying first is nice but winning the race is nicer.
Different times, different to drive cars. Back in the day it was still mostly both the best and most reliable car winning the titles. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Schumacher were all beating each other in the same era. It's a real shame we can't put some of the new talent against the old. I'm quite happy with what we have, just wish the cars were a bit more interesting. Regs have stifles a lot of the engineering and the racing typically isn't as combative as they used to be because drivers have larger cars, less room and are not allowed to defend the same way as you could back in Senna's time. Cars are supposed to be a lot more refined and compliant than old gen cars too. Instead you have to tweak a lot more, balance the brakes, diff and ERS, DRS
I love the fact that the others have caught up with the Red Bull more or less, hopefully there is a very close to full convergence of pace amongst them - because then we will see Max prove outright just how good he is. I certainly think he is the best on the grid currently, but also potentially faster than Senna and more calculating than Schumi. However it only will be proven without a shadow of a doubt once he goes toe to toe with all these high level guys on the grid alongside him - if we have Charles, Lando, George, Lewis, Oscar, Carlos all going at him and he comes out on top this season, you cannot doubt his greatness any longer! Now if only AM would get their car back to what it was so Fernando could get into the mix as well too. Then it would be undoubted!
Bro, Seb was never anywhere near Max's level. Having watched F1 from the early 2000's Max is by far the best I have ever seen and by fair a distance. He's essentially the Messi of Formula 1.
@@garythefishable vettel was at a very high level, he won 13 in one season 11 in another and he could of won more during his dominance period he had a lot of unreliability while leading, max is amazing but he isn’t the goat of F1 he’s with the all time greats like Fangio, Jim Clark, Lauda, Stewart, Schumacher, Prost, Senna, Hamilton, Mansell
Its so difficult to say who's the best because there's so many variables. The best driver, the best car, the best team. In my opinion if u took Senna, Schumacher, & Max, & put them in the same car "during their prime" & have them race a full season, i think it would be 1) Senna 2) Max 3) Schumacher. But thats just my opinion.
My man has been in the news everywhere because of Adrian Newey and you think he is doing this because he needs to say something to stay relevant? Go back to DtS mate.
We will never know. All of the top drivers of their times (Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, etc) had speed, ruthlessness, balls and nastiness in them. They are all the best of the best, so it would be close no matter what. It is not like comparing Max to Bottas or Senna to De Cesaris.
@@spilot1016 Stupid thing to say. Senna died at the beginning of race 3 in a 16 race season. That is by no way, enough races to draw any conclusion. Not to mention the fact that no Schumacher fan who enters this debate ever seems to acknowledge the fact, that the Williams had handling issues that are well documented. They just seem to deny that that ever happened. Just like they'll deny the traction control controversy...
@@handsolo1209 I’ve analysed the drivers over the last 50 years and Max is 7% better than anyone before him. Max came out as 29% better than Lewis. Saying that a 3 legged donkey was 18% better than Lewis. 😂
@@stableianF1oracle I agree that Max is a throwback to the 1980s/90s drivers, but we do have to also admit that the cars were much more difficult and dangerous and the tracks were too, so we will never be able to know for sure if peak Senna was better than peak Fangio or Clark, or if Schumacher was better than Max. They were all the best of their eras and would all be super close to each other if they raced each other, and it's a shame we can never get to see it. Imagine a grid with the same cars and it is Senna, Schumacher, Fangio, Stewart, Max, Lauda, etc and not a Bottas or Stroll to be seen!
I personally think Senna and Schumacher and Max would be very close and battle it out. If Schumacher in some races during his Merc days could challenge Hamilton and Alonso who are still on the grid and mighty competitive I believe in his prime and Senna too would be able to fight Max just fine. Just look at some of the few races we’ve had Max has been under pressure once the cars have been closely matched. And I cheer on Max religiously. Max is very fast and consistent. But he’s not godly or seconds quicker no driver is in F1 they are very closely matched on outright pace. It’s the consistency of the drivers and the pace of the cars that will separate the best drivers and stop them from fighting it out more regularly. Max can beat anyone but he to is beatable. My favourite driver will always be Michael Schumacher and even I know how great and special Michael was but that doesn’t mean he’s a god out there on track he can beat everyone and he can be beaten as well. It’s just how F1 and sports works.
OMG!! Eddie has now truly lost the plot. Verstappen's success has come in one of the most dominant cars Formula One has ever seen, useless teammates, and not forgetting the assistance from a certain race director of course 😉. Senna and Schumacher could both pull out results in inferior, or wounded machinery. Verstappen has never done that. What a load of feckin' nonsense.
The mp4/4 and F2004 were also two of the most dominant cars in F1 history. Also the W11 was the fastest car in F1 history but for some reason non-one ever hailed Mike Elliot as the sole reason of Mercedes winning when Hamilton had a joke of a performance advantage.
@@ronmastrio2798 Yes, Hamilton etc have on occasion a car advantage, but they also had exceptional team mates, who they had to beat. Verstappen has NEVER had that. Senna had Prost as a team mate, a four time world champion! Schumacher had team mates who were very capable beating him. Verstappen is quick, but he's not one of the greats, yet. Two tainted championships out of three? Hmmm.
Max represents the leading edge of video game kids. They've been getting high level eye hand coordination training since they stopped pooping their pants. In this regard all previous generations cannot compete. Conversely I don't think this new generation of young lions would do so well in the lower grip lower downforce o downforce eras
Luckely you know better than other drivers, team principals and experts. That's what we call arrogance, no knowledge but knowing things better than people with knowledge!
Idiotic statement from Eddie (again). Max is totally unproven outside of having the fastest car on the grid. Schumacher won multiple WCs when not having the fastest car, let's see if Max ever does that
Max was beating Bottas in a Merc that was always between 0.5-2.0 seconds per lap faster, so he more than proved himself when he didn't have the fastest car, however, I will say that Senna and Schumacher had to fight against Prost, Mansell, Lauda, Piquet, Alonso, Raikonen, Villeneuve, Hakkinen etc where as Max has really only had Hamilton to fight against.
As a Senna fan, I'd like to believe that to. But although it pains me, you have to look at these things objectively and this same channel interviewed Gehard Berger who believes Max might be better. Still, Senna managed to win a WDC against Prost who, at the time, was a two time World Champion in the same car. That's something, Michael, Max, and Lewis never achieved...
I can't believe people are acctually agreeing that Max would smoke Schumi and Ayrton. Amazing what marketing can do. Eddie is a lifelong friend of Verstappen family and Max is eyeing a Red Bull exit. Just to give you dumbasses some context. Don't come here from netflix having watched a couple of documentaries and think you know anything about F1.
Listen guys, I'm not going to explain myself to you. Only way Max beats Schumi and Ayrton in a race is if they all drive cars from their eras. Even then I would argue that F2004 ends up on top on a track with a lot of straits, like Monza. We only have those nowdays anyway since basically the only way to overtake is using DRS on a straight. Sport is completely different, preparation now includes simulators while back in the day you had to be quick from the get go and much more naturally talented. You are clearly younger and you defend the era and drivers you grew up watching and that's okay. But, before you do just make sure you have all the facts. Alonso beats Max in the same car tuned to their liking, even now at almost 43.
@@luka7337 Strange to say you're not going to explain yourself then write an essay explaining yourself. 😂😂 Face it you lost the arguement and the point. Max is the greatest natural racer ever. There we go .... The end.
@@luka7337 Ahhh so your a "Sunday sofa sitting experts" knowing better than FJ and DC ???? riiiiiiight !! No need to explain yourself we knew that when you opened your mouth 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Eddie is just trying to be liked and relatable to the younger generations who just started following F1.. the truth is you cant ever compare drivers from different eras, F1 has always changed through time and so the challenges the drivers face. max can only be the best driver in his era. Wanna hate on me? I dont give a sh!t
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I'm an admirer of Verstappen. I think people are taking for granted just how incredible some of his performances have been the past few years because him and Red bull have been so dominant. We saw in Canada then even with the third best car on the weekend, Max still makes the difference. I hope Verstappen will have more title battles in his career, as people will then begin to pay attention to just how legendary he really is.
Aslong as he is winning, people will say he has the best car. Just look at how Perez is doing, and people still think RBR has the best car. I firmly believe that Mclaren atm is the most complete car and edges the RBR.
Max was already punching above the cars limits in 2018-2020.
@@bbb229 Bloke just a little - incomplete - excerpt of his performances:
- As a kid in karting Max rode 53 races of which he WON 51, and in the two that did not win he DNF for mechanical problems.
- In karting Max became European Champion 2x in a row and then he became World Champion in a season where he completely dominated the field and destroyed all top level riders, including people like Charles LeClerk etc etc.
- Going from karts to cars Max skipped the learner classes and immediately went to F3, where he immediately won 10 races, of which 6 in a row and became 3d in the championship, despite several DNF's.
- Then - again - Max skipped the intermediate classes and after that he became the YOUNGEST ever F1 driver in 2016 aged 17,
- A year later Verstappen was promoted to the Red Bull team and immediately he WON his first Grand Prix in the Red Bull (Barcelona) in a car that was no better than the Alpha Tauri of today.
- Also in 2016 he HUMILIATED the complete field (including Alonso) in the Rain in Brazil.
- Also BEFORE 2022, when the MERC AND FERRARI where still the FASTER cars, Max already WON 20 GP's
- in 2021 he became the RIGHTFULL WDC, despite being Torpedo'd at Silverstone at 250 mph by Hamilton who was not punished for that crime. He WON the Most GP's and became CHAMPION in a car that was then SLOWER then the Merc.
- In his own team Max has outqualified ALL his teammates (except the first year in RB, when he was still 17 and new and the car had been designed and setup for the much more experienced Ricciardo) by a margin of 20 to 1 or so.
- In the WET training Montreal, while the others where still struggling to cope, and Perez again missed his braking points (in the SAME car!) Verstappen immediately set a FAST time that was 1.2 whole seconds (!) faster than everybody else and even 1.7 seconds faster than Hamilton (the so called "rain master"?)...
@@rientsdijkstra4266 Ow believe me, I know. But alot of people don't look at stats and just cry.
@@rientsdijkstra4266good summary, but a couple things are false or misleading.
He entered F1 in 2015, not in 2016. He did one year in the Torro Rosso, which is now known as VCARB. 2016 was his second year in F1. After three races in the Torro Rosso that year, he was promoted to Red Bull for the fourth race that year, which was Spain, which he won. He won his first race in the Red Bull, not his first race in F1. The Mercedes took each other out that race, and the Red Bull was about equal to the Ferrari, so he won that race in arguably the best car (together with the Ferrari).
You also said he won 20 races before 2022 in the second or third best car. In reality, he won 10 races before 2021 in the second or third best car. For some of the races he won in 2021, he had a car that was slightly better than the Mercedes or equal to the Mercedes. Only in the second half of the 2021 season, he had a worse car than the Mercedes. On balance, I still think the RB16b was worse than the W12. I believe Max would’ve been world champion in the W12 as well.
@@Real_ghostboi Thanks! You are correct. To be honest I have this little list in some file, to show when people say that Max didn't win anything before he got the best car at RB (you will be amazed how short sighted and short of memory many people are). But I edited the thing a few times, and I must have made editing mistake somewhere, conflating two items on the list. I am going to look into it!
Max reminded me of Schumi right from the get go when he first stepped foot into an F1 car, my hopes were high and I didn‘t get disappointed…
Schumi?!? Lol. Maybe Senna
Its not wonder he looks like schumi... Its his uncle
@@famcantor5 he reminds me of schumi not senna.
@@TimBiester-yu6hu its not his uncle and i dont talk about looks... 🤣
I still watch old video of him kart racing. He was brilliant way back then
these vids are making a lot of boys angry , and most of them dont even know who eddie jordan is . love it
HAHAHAHH I was thinking the same thing ...its like he didn't mention my Hero he must be wrong LOL!!!!
Ah so Eddie Jordan…just always known as f1 biggest tosser…no one likes the storyteller
@@andyfry745 As Ron Dennis once said about EJ: “I consider Formula 1 a family, and families live in villages. And villages always have a village idiot. He fits the bill perfectly"
@@theiceman7590Ron Dennis?? Ahhh the guy that is an expert in cheating.
@@bjrnchrstn nope he won 17 championships fair and square
Max Verstappen is a phenom. We are witnessing history being made.
Phenomenon
@@bovenkoker Phenom, noun: someone or something extremely successful, especially someone young in sports who achieves a lot very quickly. I guess you learned a new word.
@@doug3066 and so did I, Thank you!
@@itsnodee4612 My brother gave me a good tip. When you learn a new word use it at first opportunity and it will become part of your vocabulary...it works.
20 years from now, the people who slag him on social media today will be bragging that they saw him race "back in the day".
Senna was despised by British F1 fans while he was racing, mostly for his intense rivalry with Mansell. A few years after his untimely death, and everybody is a fan.
Funny how everybody in here disagreeing with Eddie, yet none of them have even seen a driver in person or have first hand experience. I tend to listen to people who have done it and who have been there, not "Sunday sofa sitting experts" LOL !!!!! Haters will hate, thank you for being honest about Max Eddie !!!
Rubbish. Firstly it is impossible to compare drivers from different eras. Secondly Jordan is like Eccelstone, has an opinion on the same topic for every day of the week. Been listening to him for 40 years now. He never had Senna in F1 and only had Schumacher for less than half a Spa lap. Bullshitter
@@John-mi2rt Since Lauda labelled Max as the talent of the century after his win in Spain back in 2016, you'd think mr. Jordan is on to something. At least a lot more than you would ever be on to anything as the keyboard hero that you are. Oh, and if you actually listened to what he had to say in this video instead of ramming your keyboard in blind rage, you'd know Jordan was talking about Senna in the then equivalent of F3, he never claimed to have worked with him in F1, just in F3. But as with all the greats, it is visible in the early feeder classes when a mesmerising talent steps in, happened to Senna as it happened to Max when dr. Marko short-tracked him straight to a seat in F1 for TR.
EJ has a tremendous amount of experience in F1, first hand experience. But he’s welcome to his opinions, but he’s not God.
Disagreement doesn’t make us hater’s.
I love the sport of F1, the drivers are just a part of the whole experience.
@@EntropicExergy Off you go mouthpiece, compare Senna and Verstappen. Problem here with claiming Jordan is right is that you have to claim he's right on everything he says. Or is he just right on things that suit your agenda. Over 40 years following F1 gives me the right to have an opinion. You don't like that or if that takes you out of your pathetic safe space, tough
@@John-mi2rt Uhm no, i don't, everyone is right some time and wrong most of the time. Very few are able to consistently get it right, though you seem quite good at getting it wrong all the time. Look, all those claims about having followed F1 for x years mean very little if you get offended when someone in the game makes statements. Because that makes it only seem like a couple of years, since that is how toddlers react to things they don't like.
I quit watching F1 After Schumi retired but Max Verstappen made me follow F1 again. We are witnessing history here.
Ditto. Wasn’t planned
I never stopped watching since the days of Senna, but now is the time that most exciting, no-one beats Max, he's sensational. And I never imagined I'd ever say so.
Ppl also tend to forget the skill ceilings of drivers usually get better talent wise as eras progress.
SAME.
Max is showing the skill of Senna and the fight of Schumi, the passion of both, but with a cooler head on the track than the two of them combined.
You are ignorant in comparing Max to Senna or even Michael.
@@mars27970 Explain, with examples. I will wait.
I will leave a comment, just so I can come back later to hopefully find some examples.
You can't compare them, to be honest. Consider the opposition they drive against, all three are highly skilled in all areas. Also Verstappen is actively racing, and it's uncertain where his legacy will end. We can therefor only look at their skills behind the wheel, which makes it really hard to say who is better. I can make a strong case for all three drivers being better than the other and having their own standout qualities or weaknesses compared to other legendary drivers. Butt still you can’t say Verstappen, Schumacher or Senna is better than the other.
Senna:
Standout: His raw pace and driver IQ are most notable for him, setting him apart from the others. That first lap at Donington in the wet, where he made the other drivers look like amateurs by going from P5 to P1 in the opening lap, was legendary. He passed Schumacher, Prost, and Hill-all world champions. The qualifying lap at Monaco where he was 1.5 seconds ahead of his teammate, legendary driver Prost, is another example. Only Verstappen is comparably, close to this. Maybe on the same level. Also their IQ to push boundaries and make the FIA change rules to literally stop them from gaining an advantage is why they are often compared to one another.
Biggest weakness: Compared to Prost, Senna was weaker in terms of setups and tire conservation during a race, which were Prost's strongest skills. What I consider his biggest weakness was his "win at all costs" mentality. How many times did we see Senna tangle with back markers, break a car with a healthy lead, or go off trying to win in a car that wasn't capable? 1988 epitomized this-despite outpacing Prost most of the year, he nearly lost the title because of all his DNFs. While his passion for winning made him great, it also led to his untimely death. I think Verstappen has balanced this far out better.
Verstappen:
Standout: Raw pace, qualifying, overtaking, ability to adapt or push a car to it’s limits even when the car is inferior to its competitor, Max always has an answer. If it’s a last lap in Abu Dabi, or If it’s Canada 2024, Hockenheim 2019 or Interlagos 2016 in extremists conditions he always delivers. Driving race lines that people couldn’t find, drive or think of puling it of, shows his immense class as a driver. His standout is his coldness and ability to deal with high these high pressure moments. Where it gives normal people anxiety or hampers their performance, it gives him wings, so to speak. It drives him to go even faster. Which is really special for me as a Dutchy, because Dutch sportsmen (Like in Football or Tennis) mostly choke or crack under high pressure moments.
Biggest Weakness: His defensive skills stand out. Due to the current cars, it's really hard to defend because of the DRS advantage, which gives drivers much more power than the defensive driver, making it nearly impossible to defend for multiple laps. However, Verstappen always closes the door early on corners or at the end of straights, which gives the chasing driver a chance to get closer. This gives them a slight advantage. Therefore, you need to keep your opponent out of DRS range or use all the space on the track to make a stand.
To keep the opponent behind, you need to use the track's space effectively. Position your car so the opponent is beside you, allowing you to control both the space and their movements. Side-by-side battles are rare with Verstappen, which is seen as a weakness. By making the racing line narrower, you can restrict the opponent's movements, making it easier to defend. Alonso excels at this strategy, a skill rarely seen in Verstappen's current cars driving (2019-2024).
Schumacher: Also highly skilled in all areas. His testing and car development skills were excellent. The best from all others, but it seems that Max comes also really close on this level aswell. But I can’t confirm this yet. His particular excellence was his ability to operate at his peak on every lap, of every race, for years at a time. There are certain races where he executed a very high demanding, but perfect strategy due to his insane “qualifying drive”. Races where he only could win if he would drive the car on the edge as in qualifying performance, but then for 20 laps straight. Thats something you don’t see these days anymore.
But there are two specific points that have been covered by people who worked with him:
Michael Schumacher was perfect except in one regard: He was not very good at protecting the rear tires. This was always his problem, and even when we were dominant, it was something we always asked him to improve. I don't think he ever did. When the formula featured very strong Bridgestone tires, his weakness was not visible to anyone except those of us at Ferrari with the data. - Andrea Stella , McLaren team principal and former Ferrari engineer. Tire management was a significant factor that Michael was lacking in that regard.
According to Damon Hill, Schumacher's weakness lay in his ability to handle pressure or change his approach to driving when under pressure, citing incidents with Jacques Villeneuve and, of course, himself. He always performed best when the championship was a walkover or when he was acknowledged as the underdog.
Alonso and Clark are also contenders for this list, but ultimately, it comes down to personal preference. It's challenging to compare these drivers, considering they competed in different eras of motorsport. Each driver has left an indelible mark on the sport in their own unique way, making direct comparisons difficult and subjective.
Please provide examples for your assertions
Yesterday he won in the 3rd fastest car, Lando was doing 2 seconds per lap faster then Max...Russell was faster in general. Max made the difference playing with the setup during the race. He had to stay off the curbs with the suspension issues. He is the cleanest driver in decades. And having tactical masterminds on the wall also helps. He is the best F1 driver ever. Period
Schu almost won a championship in the 3rd fastest car in 1997. Against a newey rocketship.
That season included races where he was 6 seconds a lap faster in monaco and 10 seconds a lap faster in belgium. 10.
Never saw that before. Never will again.
Wearing the orange glasses today😂
I am wearing my Carrera Champion glasses today, kinda ironic isnt it? 😎
GenZ?
I agree he's an incredible talent and one of the best in F1 history, but the 'cleanest driver in decades'? Are you serious?
Aged like fine wine. Who is here after Verstappen's win in Brazil 2024?
Ditto! 100% vindicated!
Put Senna in Max's car and in 6 months Senna beat him.
Put Max in the car that Senna was driving and after 1 year Max is still 2-3 seconds behind.
@@VitorGamesPlayy Do you actually believe that or are you just a hater? This is obviously just not true.
@@NoxioLukas I think Max is the best current/modern driver. But firstly Max's level of competition is super low, at most he has 1-2 rivals who can do some real damage?.. Senna raced against 4-5 high level drivers every race, in a more difficult car, on 2000x tracks worse and with often low-level teams... Stop sucking Max's eggs.
@@VitorGamesPlayy So are we just going to ignore the obvious? I didnt watch back then but when I look at qualifying results, the gap from p1 to p4 is almost 2 seconds on many occasions and almost always more than 1 second. It is simply not true that that he had to race against 4-5 high level drivers every race. Imagine having a two second pace difference. Literally not a fair fight. The grid this year is the closest it has ever been, so lets not pretend it was that close back then, because it wasnt.
I watch F1 for 40 years every race...
And yes max is the special one..
Its the focus, the drive, the brutal and the most important....he is smart..
Congrats for watching 40 years, I watch about 50 years and yes, I think you are right with Max.
with all restecp though, 10 20 30 40 50 60...
if an ape watches F1 for a hundred years its still an ape.
older does not necessarily mean you're wiser.
but then, i'm just a stupid 90s kid. 😜
@@adriaandoelman2577 True
Brazilian here. Agreed.
Antartican here, ok
Alien here. Errrrr...uh?
People are not noticing that every year since he started racing he has gotten better. Mainly because every year the car seems to get so much better as well. It feels like every weekness he has, he works on it on, and it slowly goes away.
Sainz has gotten pretty good since his redbull junior years. But people seem to ignore Max. He was 17, and he also gotten so much better since then. It would be about the same dominance he did in the redbull Junior team. Redbull knows how good max is. They know nobody on the grid can reach him in the same car. They would rather just stick with someone more useful to spread their brand.
After the performance Max put in last weekend in Brasil, it's hard to argue with Eddie on that one (in the title of this video).
Max is the Greatest and his best is yet to come
ummmm, no. wait til his career has finished. and is it really that important to your life ?
Ha ha ha! Brazeel, 2024 😂😂😂😂😂
Schumacher and Senna were my all-time favorite drivers, but Max is something else...
yeah, something else, never had to compete with a World Champion in the same car. Can't tell how really good he is by beating Perez or can he?
@@javgomez1979are you ok? Max is on another level Sr!
@@javgomez1979Always coming up with reasons why Max didn't do this or that. As if Max hasn't yet proven that he belongs among the greatest in F1. You're making a fool of yourself by coming up with this.
@@Av3ntur0zkysays a stuoid ignorant kid who follows if coz he thinks it's trendy.
@@outlawf1272 Mexicans don't have much to cheer about so you can sort of understand why they latch onto any of their countrymen, even someone as bad as Perez.
Great to hear that mr. Jordan mentions / honors Max' mother, Sophie Kumpen ! ❤
Yes, great mama!
You haven't seen the best of Max yet. He is in a different league.
He's in a different league to Checo. We saw in Monaco that when his car is equal to everyone else, he's pretty average.
@@Euclides287😂😂😂
@@Euclides287 u don't even have the required IQ to watch nascar
@@Euclides287 monaco is not a race, its a parade
Good point. Verstappen in 2021 was still raw, which led to mistakes as we saw in the last few races of that season. If there is a title battle now, Verstappen will approach it much smarter and tactical, whilst still have the aggression and ruthlessness which makes him so good.
Bold assumptions capable of making a lot of people angry but I think he’s right.
Everyone didn’t take Helmut Marko seriously when he said that he had found the next Senna to justify replacing Kyviat or whatever the driver was at the time.
Right at the beginning of his career he reminded me of Senna on his Lotus years.
Marko was right, and his bet has paid off tremendously well, Max is just that good and focused driver that makes very little mistakes.
True. Even Wolff has said as much as that if he could could go back in time he'd have signed Max into the Merc right away.
Massive kudos to Marko, as I remember, when Max was first put into F1, then into a Red Bull, there was so much backlash and skepticism. And they were all wrong, and Marko was 100% correct.
The cars of the late 80s to early 2000s are so different to the lame hybrids of today. The entire sport was different so it's difficult to compare. I think Max would very likely be right up there with Senna and Schumi based on what he's done so far in F1 and being the top 1-3 best sim racing drivers in the world. He's able to adapt really well to very different cars and types of racing. He's so devoted to his craft, it's hard to deny him. I'd be curious to see how he'd fare in an MP4/4, MP4/6 or an F2002. Modern cars are so refined and require operating a computer whereas Senna's MP4/6 is an analog beast with very stiff suspension, very little downforce, short wheelbase, no power steering, and a manual h-pattern gearbox. Even Mick Schumacher after driving his dad's F2003 stated that despite having ABS and traction control, the car is more extreme and still depended more on the driver compared to the modern cars. Vettel, Mick, Alonso, Karun, Lewis and other drivers have stated that the older cars relied more on the driver. They're more pure. It's sad what we have today. The cars are so uninspirational.
You have no idea what tf you talking about, back then TC and ABS are allowed
@@retmania That's what I said. The F2003 had TC and ABS.
But it’s not Max’s fault how the cars are today, they are far from lane - you can’t stop progress.
The old cars were slow compared to these ones
In those days there was unlimited testing which makes it completly different as well.
Max is like Senna and Schumacher without the mistakes
I agree ! , but doesn't that concern you a little bit is it him or are they not pushing all laps like they use to ... chine he went out on quily , canada just this weekend fallowing gorge he went out , Im concern about maybe they are not in the limit every lap 😢
@@abrahammontessalazar685
I think it’s more the cars are easier to drive on the limit. Today’s cars are not as spectacular to watch. You don’t see the drivers sawing at the steering wheel to keep control the way they used to. But I do believe that’s down to the car more than the driver. Max is mighty and almost faultless. But I do think senna and Schumacher probably had to work a bit harder with the car
F1 cars today are much much easier to drive. No manual like Senna, so much downforce. Power steering. Even Indy cars are harder to drive.
Max has been making many mistakes recently as he is under more pressure.
It's only natural, even as phenomenal as he is.
@@isaacm2374 It might look that way, but optics can deceive you. Did they have as many settings and tweaks to work with as they do nowadays? B-bal, diff settings, engine modes etc., i doubt they had to worry about those back then. Not to mention those have to be adjusted on the fly, in rainy weather or changing conditions quite often, while being chased by (or chasing down) plenty of other drivers. Modern F1 cars are not that far off from fighter jets like the F16 or the F35 lightning. Good luck trying to control those, you'll find it next to impossible, even if you don't see it because they aren't yanking those steering wheels.
Different cars, different eras. Senna vs Schumacher happened when Senna was at his peak and Schumi was still rising. Verstappen vs Senna vs Schumacher would be interesting to see but we'll never know.
You’ve got to take what Eddie says in his own context. He’s always had a grudge against Schumacher because he backed out of an agreement with Jordan to go to Benetton in ‘91. Same with Senna, he’s never really given him full credit (for whatever reason), even going so far as to say people put him on a pedestal. EJ is hugely knowledgeable about F1 and has experience most of us don’t, but he’s also subject to his own biases and preferences from dealing with F1 characters on a personal level, hence, his opinion is useful, but not gospel…
Time is the biggest test to one's legacy. Senna and Schumacher's legacy still going strong and Max is currently writing his. Personally I have Senna but it would be foolish to cast aside Max... or Lewis for that matter. I'm just happy I've been able to see them all 😊
Lauda said similar things in slightly different words in Spain 2016, i think you just don't like the message they have based on actual facts.
@@EntropicExergy I think he said he was the ‘talent of the century’ which doesn’t mean anything like the same thing as what EJ was talking about. Talent is completely different to achievement and results. Loads of sportspeople are talented, not all of them achieve greatness.
Sounds like your feelings got hurt because someone dared to challenge the narrative against Max. None of what’s been said are facts FYI - even EJ would admit it’s just an opinion
Fyi I think Max is a great driver but impossible to compare against Senna and Schumacher.
That’s why it’s his opinion😂
@@woc9224 Ha, what a load of BS.
I watched Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton over the years…I have no doubt Max is the best. Even engineers looking at the GPS data and telemetry could tell you this.
hahaha clownish max spotted here..one of the greats...better than three goats...Schumacher rebuilt a team when ferrari were awful...senna arguably greatest talent ever..There is not a thing lewis cant do...z
So many Lewis fans coping that he can barely beat Russell these days because he doesn't know how to drive a car that isn't the best, but Max has always been able to match someone like Bottas even when Bottas was driving a car that was a second a lap faster.
Netflix fan alert 😂😂😂
Lewis is 39. All the greats had retired by then. In his prime he beat Alonso, Button and Rosberg in the same car. Perez only lasted 1 season at McLaren because Button battered him so badly
@@ingrogies1 ALo was equal on points and HAM was beaten by BUT and ROS also. Not a very strong argument.
@@Eric-rf1is Hamilton beat Alonso on the count back of 2nd place finishes. Hamilton beat both Button and Rosberg 2-1 in seasons together. Hamilton had more wins, pole positions and retirements than Rosberg in the season he lost. Verstappen lost 2-1 to Riccardo... Once again, Hamilton's rookie season teammate was Alonso. Riciardo is barely still in F1 now...
@@ingrogies1 .... and top drivers like Norris are afraid to take a seat next to Max........ The drivers know, as do the teambosses. 👍👍
If it wasn't for Max Verstappen, F1 would never have had so many new viewers and visitors to the track,
he has been the main attraction for a long time and the FIA knows that very well.
I followed F1 in the era of Senna and Schumacher and now Verstappen. Love to see greatness at work.
I agree. Senna was probably slightly faster, but too inconsistent and error-prone for most of his career (until 1990 actually). Probably the Senna of 1991-1993 could have troubled Max, but not the younger Senna ...
He made mistakes occasionally, but not many, commentators would say "he made a mistake, very uncharacteristic of senna". Btw, he came and beat prost his first year at mclarten, so i think he would be a handful in the 80s also
@@henshin587 i would like to disagree with the assumption that Senna beat Prost in 1988, as Prost actually scored more points than Senna, but back then only the best 11 results counted, which was a disadvantage for consistent drivers like Prost. 1989 is another matter though, and it can be argued that Senna was better than Prost that year. But i consider Prost to be (very) slightly weaker than Verstappen, especially because of his conservative approach in the rain and on street courses ...
Amazes me why so many people are so obsessed with who's the greatest of all time. Let's just enjoy watching the genius's at work. You'll never be able to compare different generations , so why bother ?.
Not comparing, but Max truly is in a different league, he made little to no mistakes and won races back to back and now there's a lot more races so it's even more tiring for the drivers yet Max still delivers.
Max deserves a lot of praise especially since Sky Sports and anything British press and haters always downplay his achievements.
@@lllouise9i love it when you say 'not comparing' before making a comparison
@@zenthous9568 Well, I don't want to sound mean BUT...
😇
@@worfoz huh?
@@zenthous9568 It's a disclaimer.
I note in the comments, that more people are arguing about which of the 3 drivers mentioned is the best, but few if any include Has-been Hamilton in the top 3. I will never deny that Lewis is extremely talented, but the same argument applies that applies to Max, Lewis has only ever won in an exceptional car. His team mates have also been able to beat him in the same car. The same cannot be said of Max. I've been following the sport for 57 years & Max is on another level.
Lewis has had much tougher competitors. Max has beaten Sergio Perez, Carlos Sainz & Alex Albon , all are not exactly WC material. Lewis has had Rosberg, Button , Prime Fernando Alonso , Bottas & Russell for teammates. Lewis is his first season outperformed Alonso achieving the best rookie performance in F1 history. Second season in F1 , won the title. Im tired of Max fans like yourself constantly undermining Lewis legacy
@@Ismail-su1xu I rate Max very highly, the point about Lewis is true, but you do have a short term memory forgetting Max had stellar results in the bookmarker teams, he's the reason we didn't die of boredom in the dominant Mercedes era, he even out classed your so called Rosberg - Lewis's "threat" on his better days. From Torro Rosso till RedBull Max has nothing else to prove. Though i'd admit, we got denied a proper team mate battle and yes Lewis has had really competitive team mates of all drivers.
Sad thing F1 at this point the entire grid is almost pay driver situations, They denied us Lewis - Max combo for money
57 years ok Max never had World champions as teammates and Lewis from 2007-2012 drove at Mclaren had Alonso and Button as teammates Rosberg for 4 years at Mercedes Daniel actually beat Max twice 100% white Lewis Hamilton nobody makes these comments rules literally had to be put in place to bring Lewis back to the pack but hey he's the great white hope I understand it people still mad a black man did what he did Checo shouldn't even be in that car and I'll leave it at that. Lewis gets more hate than any driver in history.
@@DRA25dra There are plenty of other drivers throughout history who got a lot of hate, but Lewis gets what he deserves for being an arrogant little prick & for bringing his BLM politics into the sport & guilt trpping his fellow drivers to take a knee for a worthless cause.
@@Ismail-su1xu But Max beat Lewis in the slower RB in 21. Russell beat Lewis in 22, and is beating him quite soundly this year so far. Last year Russell and Hamilton were equal in qualifying. Hamilton also has lost to other teammates in the past. nobody is denying Lewis' talent but he is simply not on the level of Max. Lewis only does well in an exceptional car, because he is so consistent. to beat max, you need more than a better car, as he once again proved last night in Montreal.
When you can't rely on driving aids...Max is in a league of his own. If he was sitting in that McLaren, he would have lapped everyone on the grid. He pulled a 20 sec lead within like 25 laps after the red flag. Imagine if he started from the front.
Parents were Senna fans but I grew up as a Schumacher fan. Seen every Verstappen race. He's as consistent as both of them albeit with far more consistent and compliant machinery.
The one thing he doesn't have on their level is that killer nature. Sure, Verstappen tried aggressive moves with a lesser car but Schumacher and Senna did it even when they had the best car. They'd rather crash out of the race than let you beat them. Alonso has that for example. He just couldn't galvanize a team the way the other 3 could.
Senna will always be my favourite, but I really like Max, brilliant driver, plus absolutely funny as hell with some of his comments when being interviewed! I wish Michael hadn't had that dreadful injury and was in the F1 paddock every now and then to share his opinion!
As you said...They'd rather crash out than let you beat them. Max can do that as well, but has learned that the points are more important for the team. So not fair to compare imo...
Sure of course the cars are more reliable these days, and Senna is still one of the most exciting and fastest drivers, but Max itself is also much more consistent than Senna ever was.. Senna drove 162 GP's in 11 seasons, in were he had 60 DNF's (almost 40%) and out those retirements ,21 of his DNF's were causted by an accident or a collision, that's about 13 %... To compare that to Max who also in his 10th season in F1, and had 32 DNF's in 192 GP's (16%), but only 8 of them were caused by an collision or accident (and 2 of them were for sure not his own fault, Singapore 2017 and Silverstone 2021) That's less than 4 %.. And the last time Max finished a race outside the top 10 after he actual finished a race, was at Spa 2016, and that's about 10 years ago, that's what you can call consistency!..
I think Max is a killer but just not like Senna which cost Senna a lot of race wins because he was too greedy, Max learned to be patient to win but when it's time to be a killer, he's got Senna's spirit and Schumacher's strategic mind.
That is just modern f1. Picking the right fights and don't ruin your tires or strategy. Being killer all the time doesn't work in todays compettition. The top drivers in current f1 can be the killer Senna was, but being consistent is required to have an edge.
Most ppl commenting here never saw Senna in his prime..lol
Huge respect for Eddie Jordan but it's one man's opinion.
Comparing drivers driving different cars is hard enough let alone comparing drivers from different eras!!
Max might be the greatest to ever do it
He definitely is.
A Mr. J Clark would like to have a word with you 🙄
Actually he wouldn’t because he was a gentleman who didn’t take himself seriously.
He’s a grifter
@@alexthomsen3874 No need to project your own crappy, worthless life on someone else.
Put Senna in Max's car and in 6 months Senna beat him.
Put Max in the car that Senna was driving and after 1 year Max is still 2-3 seconds behind.
I actually think that if these 3 were in closely matched cars they'd crash into each other every other race as a minimum. Senna was known for putting moves on that were I either pass you or we both crash.
You're most probably not wrong. Haha. IMHO compared to Michael and Senna, Max isn't enough of an asshole. But he also never had to prove it, so who knows how far he'd go against M&S.
@@wreagfe Did you skip 2021?
Totally agree. Crashstappen appears when he is challenged
We are witnessing the GOAT
Long way off from that.
When he beats Schumacher and Hamiltons records he will be GOAT.
@@paultruesdale7680what records bro? Max already holds most of them u mean the titles and victories? They Will come in the next years
He’s had no competition since the first championship, so we will have to wait and see.
If RedBull lose their advantage he will have to fight, then we shall see what he is really made of.
@@paultruesdale7680lewis almost never had to fight except for rosberg who beat hamilton and vettel but vettel was nowhere near his level of redbull. Hamilton had some cars that were even more dominant than the rb19 (the W11 for instance). The amount of titles and races you win is predominantly decided by the extend of the period you have the quickest car. What tells you more abt the drivers capabilties is the way they dominate when they have the quickest car. With all due respect, Lewis is one of the all time greats but his win percentage, podium percentage, laps led percentage of one season don’t even come close to Max’s. Lewis never dominated like Max is dominating right now. No disrespect to Lewis tho, he was pure greatness himself but Max is definitely at least on his level if not already better.
@@YLresells I just want to say thank you for praising Max without having to slam other drivers, it's quite rare to see. I'm a Lewis fan because I like him as a person, and I started watching F1 in 2008 (I like all the drivers tbh, apart from a couple). But raw talent cannot be denied, Max is on top of his game right now just like all the other greats were at some point. I'd love someone to challenge Max, because I want to see some racing. F1 is cyclical, eventually someone *will* be able to challenge him, it's just a matter of when that will be.
I think it is so hard to compare a driver now with one in the 80's or 90's. The technology and safety are moons apart. Impossible to say for sure if Max could beat Senna, Schumacher or Prost in the same car. They could probably beat each other. Senna's mentality was so impressive. He joined Prost, a double world champion at McLaren and wasn't going to settle for coming second or easing himself in.
enjoy F1 while the human skill element plays a role. Cause more and more the machine "assists" you in this and that, taking away the fun and the needed skill. Max skillwise is definitely the goat and most fans know it.
RB knew they had something special in Max. Hell, I knew he was going to be breaking a ton of records. People just refused to talk about him being one of the all time greats because "he only had 25 wins". or "he only had 1 championship". He never had much fighting chance before, but when he had the car, he really could do so much with it. He used to be crashtappen. but for the last 3 years, Max has literally had the fewest faults, fewest accidents of all drivers. It was always a matter of time before people started to compare him with Senna and Schumacher.
Max is mindblowing and absolutely the best I have ever seen in 30 years F1
Verstappen. I wish i could say Schumacher was better. But the "kid" is like Michael Jordan. Wayne Gretzky a league of their own.
Brazil and Italy just phoned, Eddie's visa applications has been denied...
...on the bright side, the Dutch are offering residency.
I like Eddie and his comments, he has a very unique perspective and is highly respected for his no BS/headline grabbing comments and knows what he is talking about. Keeping in mind he brought MSC into F1 and told everyone MSC will make history and change the sport which he did. Eddie has very accurately evaluated many other drivers.
One can think anything. I would like to see Max driving a car in the level of Jordan, early Benetton or Toleman.
Toro Rosso in 2015?..........same level, or even worse.
@@Eric-rf1is do you know “toro rosso” means?
@@arnaldobellucci9033 Do you honestly think the Torro Rosso were just two extra Red Bulls? They've always been a lower midfield team.
@@ronmastrio2798 at that time, yes, they used basically last year Red Bull car with a distinct engine, lots of money available.
@@arnaldobellucci9033 Yes , I do, but that was not your issue, was it? "The level off" is what you mentioned. The 2015 Toro Rosso was even below that level. Have you seen the races of that 2015 season?
You are right to a point that Senna and Michael would never drive current F1 cars as Max does. Senna would go balistic and Michael would not go out from garage until they were not good (enough).
guess he did not get the memo from all the arm chair experts that it is just the car :)
well it was for 1/2 season when ross brawn did the louver trick with jensen button in 2009
Verstappen won in 2021 also right!
Well, yes, he did.
Wrong. Massi gave him the title by changing the rules.
@@stevenwitts6968 Ohhh gawd that again LOL!
Yup Lewis failed in Baku .
Valtteri went bowling in Hungary
What makes Max really strong is the mental part, not just the technical part, and it only seems to get better the older he gets.
Max would have certainly won against both of them, and there are reasons for this.
1. Max has been trained in a much more modern and superior manner than Senna or Schumacher were.
2. Max was born into a racing family, where he learned the fundamentals of racing from his parents, akin to learning to walk, who compete at the highest level of the sport.
That second point is why Max is so good.
Lifelong Schumi fan here.... I've watched both. Without a shadow of a doubt, Max would destroy all of them.
No, I don't think that any of the best of the best from any era would destroy the others. It would be very close margins between them all. It would be like having a race in 2024 with Max vs clones of himself, or Senna doing the same in 1991.
Max has only won races in F1 in a Newey car... His greatness is still not clear. Out of 7 drivers to have won championships in a Newey car, only 1 has won without one, Prost... Think about that....
@@CharlieBeveridge There is Newey cars vs Mercedes 10 more years of development of an engine and then nobody can improve their engine for 5 years cars, thus giving them 0.5-2.0 seconds per lap advantage over every other car... Think about that....
@@handsolo1209 Oh, i know why Merc dominated.. And Max did pick up a few wins during those years before the PU's became even. But the fact remains, he has only won in a Newey car with always the best chassis, balance and aero. I'm in no doubt that Max is great, but how great for me is still to be figured out.
@@CharlieBeveridgeno many of the RBs in hybrid era were not newey designs he felt no need when he knew how bad the renault engines were
3:15 my favorite moment, look at DC's face lol
👑 Max
I remember Buzzin Hornets Jordon. I agree that Verstappen is that once in a generation driver.
He’s the goat in my opinion.
The age-old discussion... Verstappen will certainly rank amongst the Greats of this sport. Period! I don't see any reason to make comparison with Senna and or Schumacher. Verstappen has certainly given a lot of proof why he is as good as he is. As have all the legendary drivers of the past!
Adrian wouldn't have negotiated the early exit and no garden leave if he wasn't going somewhere else - if he was going to retire, he wouldn't have bothered about the garden leave surely?
Well and his own words where he’s said multiple times in different interviews that he’ll take a bit of time off to have a long holiday then probably get back into it.
I think Ferrari is the only place he’s going to go personally.
@@Drenwickification but why the need to negotiate no garden leave then?
@@petrolthreads_ The fact that Red Bull allowed that might suggest that they made a deal about him not showing up in 2025 at another team (in F1 anyway).
@@Drenwickification IDK Newey doesn't like conflict and he doesn't like red tape why he left Mclaren and now RB. Ferrari is so full of politics, red tape and bureaucracy I cant see him eating up b@llshit like that at 66 years of age . I'm still wondering about the Williams rumors or maybe just a consulting role.
@@petrolthreads_ maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I agree with you that he’ll take another job. Just he’ll have a bit of a break first then get back into it.
It's come to a point where you just look silly and jealous when you deny Max is at least on the level of Senna and Schumacher. There is nothing you can say that can change that. Just the fact that he in addition does it with so little dirty tricks and cheating. He is all the way at the bottom when it comes to penalty points. If you were there during the Schumacher era you know that says A LOT. I think we are watching the best driver in F1 ever.
Here after Brazil 2024
Eddie Jordan has list it!! Senna did amazing things with not so great cars (1984, 1985, 1993). Max is good right now!! He may never win another title after 2024!! He probably will, but if we have 3 or 4 teams with equally good cars, who knows!!
Eddie has read the 48 laws of power Bernie could have written them.
He Mr Jordan knows and I'd suggest it's a matter of the last touches of the deal with Ferrari.
If you are a racer of special kind you cant live your life without a time in Ferrari that means Max could venture to the Germans on route to finishing his career with the gargantuan Italians.
It's as much a nonsense that Max and Lewis dont live for the greatest status and Mr Nuwey for all his Britishness is no different.
Theres no such thing as too much swagger.
Newey isn't going to that italian snakepit, he's seen enough of that in the british versions that were Williams and Mclaren.
Senna had less downforce and speed through the corner meant manhandling the car. The special ability of Senna was sheer bravery.
Schumacher had high downforce and infinite tires, his specialty was consistently pushing equipment to the edge of breaking.
Ever since 2010 the formula has been fixated on coaxing extended life out of the tires and fuel. Great drivers are adaptable but neither Senna or Schumacher would cope well with the modern formula. It would be amazing to see the field of modern drivers in an exhibition spec race with historical F1 chassis design.
word to his mum i remember jenson button saying the same thing about her and how fast she was in karts
The attitude across all of sports that always glorifies historic figures as once-in-history talents is so odd. Not only is it absurd to try and compare/judge the skillsets across different eras, but it ignores that the level of competition in all sports generally goes up over time. We are absolutely watching a historic great and he's shown it in many ways. He's elevated substandard cars to implausible outcomes and he's also been able to help develop a dominant car. He shows incredible mental fortitude and has (for years now) made consistently good decisions in-race as to managing pace, tires, pressure, etc.
Different days, I disagree with Eddie for once. Max’s level of fitness for instance would be so much higher than Senna & Michael. That’s a huge factor.
Michael set the standard for modern F1 fitness.
So much higher than Michael? Lol Michael set the standard. He was the first racing driver athlete.
Here's to EJ, one of the (very) few UK F1 figures/pundits who always--ALWAYS--calls it as he sees it, and isn't in fear of the wrath of a certain British F1 legend by offering such honest praise of Max's brilliance. DC looks uncomfortable, as if simply by sitting next to EJ opining in such a way he's at risk by association of said legend's notorious vengeance upon learning of UK commentators freely speaking such opinions about Max.
gazillion lesbians? 0:15
Eddie heard it.. 😂
😂
Schumacher of 94 to 2001 is in a different league.
Senna was like a Samurai, even Honda thought so. Willing to die to win...Max doesn't quite have that, probably a good thing. 👍🏻
The cars and tracks back then were far more dangerous, so what was seen as willing to die in 1988 would be seen as pushing it these days, but the only risk would be getting stuck in a tecpro barrier as opposed to the horror crashes like Ratzenberger, Senna, Barrichello, etc.
He didnt want to race at Imola, so he wasnt willing to die..
Stupid comment. He raced and was killed, pushing and dedicated to the end.
It doesn't make any sense to compare F1 drivers from different generations. Schumacher said when they compared him with 5 times winner Fangio from the 50's that he would pee in his pants how they races in those days....
Ahh EJ. A 1st class Edge Lord
Max is very special, but we'll never know as the cars are very different beasts. I guess the ultimate test would be to put Max in a MP4/4 to see if he could beat Senna's pole time at Monaco given the circuit hasn't changed! All three are special drivers. Especially Schumacher in his younger years at Ferrari during the 90s when the car just wasn't there, especially the 1996 Ferrari he dragged miracles out of.. Privilege to watch all three mentioned :)
Max has not won a single F1 race without driving a Newey car. Until he does, we really don't know how great he is. For now, for me he's in the same bracket as Mika and Vettel. Senna and Schumi won in terrible cars, often... Max has not won in anything but the best car.. Out of the 7 drivers to have won championships in a Newey car, only 1 had won without one, Prost..
Bruuuh. What about all the wins from 2016-2021? Was the Red Bull the best car then? The Mercedes was miles ahead of the competition in the turbo-hybrid era. Sure, Adrian Newey had the best aerodynamic car but that didn't much when you had a shitty renault engine now, did it? THE NERVE.
@@ifixthingsjr Best chassis, aero and balance. RBR always had the highest corner speeds ( backed up by GPS data) during the Merc PU dominance years.
Agree 100%
@@CharlieBeveridge still matters jackshit if the dominating car is faster by 1 second every lap in qualifying and just fucks off into the distance by 4 seconds in just 1 lap after a safety car restart
@@ifixthingsjr I agree.
he is the best ever provided he can keep up his focus
Bless Eddie he has lost his marbles and still bitter that Schumacher left his tin pot team for Benetton….never mind the championships Schumacher won look how he drove in 96,97,98 and he would have breezed 99
No one comes near Schumacher Senna was second best
Max isn’t even the best around now Alonso and Lewis are better in equal cars
Hahahahahaha, Max already beat lulu in an inferior car and Fernando chose not to go to RB because of Max. Max is definitely better than lulu and probably Fernando as well. You have no clue at all.
Shumi/Senna would be unbelievable in that Redbull, NO way is Max better than them, NO way........
We should praise you that with your experience lucky you are able to judge this far better than Jordan and DC.
Hold your horses, calm down
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Shumi/Senna would know how good max is as max laps them
@@stableianF1oracle okay you Max verstappen glazers are crazy....this is beyond TeamLH levels of delusion 🤣🤣💀
The problem is that people always value the present more highly than the past. When Senna came along many said he was better than Prost or even Clark, when Schumacher came along many said he was better than Senna (see Brundle in F1 Racing Magazine 1998) when Hamilton came along he was better than Alonso and now we hear about Verstappen that he could beat Schumacher or Senna. Ultimately, both Schumachers were giants and Verstappen is very similar to them, especially Schumacher. Whether he could really beat them - it's impossible to say. They are completely different eras with different cars. In Schumacher's time, it was all about absolute speed. You always had to drive at the absolute limit. Today it's completely different. You actually have to drive as slowly as possible. Both require completely different things. That's why it's difficult to make such judgments. All you can say is that Schumacher, Senna and Verstappen or even Jim Clark were the best drivers of their time. They all drove or drive at such a level that is unique and makes them one of the four greats. And it's impossible to say who was better or who would beat who.
Senna out-qualified one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time by 1.5 seconds IN THE SAME CAR... when Max, Hamilton, and Schumacher do that then come to talk to me
No points given on Saturday mate.
Thats not a good argument dude
@@mikhailpodolskiy85 well Senna did pretty well on Sundays.. and won in inferior cars...and was untouchable in teh wet
Different times Different level of competition and Different cars
LOL!
Are you talking about the 1988 Monaco Grand Prix?
LOL
You just forgot the say that
Alain Prost won that Grand Prix.
Qualifying first is nice but winning the race is nicer.
Different times, different to drive cars. Back in the day it was still mostly both the best and most reliable car winning the titles. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Schumacher were all beating each other in the same era. It's a real shame we can't put some of the new talent against the old. I'm quite happy with what we have, just wish the cars were a bit more interesting. Regs have stifles a lot of the engineering and the racing typically isn't as combative as they used to be because drivers have larger cars, less room and are not allowed to defend the same way as you could back in Senna's time. Cars are supposed to be a lot more refined and compliant than old gen cars too. Instead you have to tweak a lot more, balance the brakes, diff and ERS, DRS
Don't agree and you got no way of proving it too eddie every f1 driver has their time
And nothing about Hamilton ..HA ! ..says it all .... Good comments Eddy !
Totally Disagree about Verstappen- What about Lewis!?✅💯
He would destroy Max at any fashion show.
Not even close.
Exactly … What about Lewis 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jaccooccaj217 That's the best comment in here LMAO!!!!!!
Love these gents got to love the EJ. Would love ❤️ and I mean love to see a Jordan bolting round the race track again in the iconic yellow.
Senna had Prost. Max has Perez. Says it all.
No it doesn’t
I miss those days when Bottas and Lewis were pushing each other to share all those championships. 😆
I didn't catch that please explain the "Says it all" Stroll beats Alonso some days does that "Say it All" ??
Maldonado had Barrichello...says it all
Senna had the entire team and Honda on his side.,
I love the fact that the others have caught up with the Red Bull more or less, hopefully there is a very close to full convergence of pace amongst them - because then we will see Max prove outright just how good he is. I certainly think he is the best on the grid currently, but also potentially faster than Senna and more calculating than Schumi. However it only will be proven without a shadow of a doubt once he goes toe to toe with all these high level guys on the grid alongside him - if we have Charles, Lando, George, Lewis, Oscar, Carlos all going at him and he comes out on top this season, you cannot doubt his greatness any longer! Now if only AM would get their car back to what it was so Fernando could get into the mix as well too. Then it would be undoubted!
Max wouldn’t beat prime Schumacher, max is incredible like vettel was at redbull, prime Schumacher would drive off his pace is too strong
Your reasons for that other than the fact your a Fan of Schumi ??
Bro, Seb was never anywhere near Max's level. Having watched F1 from the early 2000's Max is by far the best I have ever seen and by fair a distance. He's essentially the Messi of Formula 1.
Yeah seb is of max’s level, he’s a 4 time world champion
@@garythefishable vettel was at a very high level, he won 13 in one season 11 in another and he could of won more during his dominance period he had a lot of unreliability while leading, max is amazing but he isn’t the goat of F1 he’s with the all time greats like Fangio, Jim Clark, Lauda, Stewart, Schumacher, Prost, Senna, Hamilton, Mansell
Its so difficult to say who's the best because there's so many variables. The best driver, the best car, the best team. In my opinion if u took Senna, Schumacher, & Max, & put them in the same car "during their prime" & have them race a full season, i think it would be 1) Senna 2) Max 3) Schumacher. But thats just my opinion.
Eddie trying to stay relevant so hard.
My man has been in the news everywhere because of Adrian Newey and you think he is doing this because he needs to say something to stay relevant? Go back to DtS mate.
EJ is such a BS merchant 🤣 I do agree with him about Max though, he has the best attributes from Senna & Schumacher and he's quicker than both
Can't agree with that. Schumacher maybe but Senna, no. It's not even close. Senna would smoke Max.
Not a chance... Senna wasn't even as good a driver as Schumacher was. He was already smoking Senna in 94.
We will never know. All of the top drivers of their times (Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, etc) had speed, ruthlessness, balls and nastiness in them. They are all the best of the best, so it would be close no matter what. It is not like comparing Max to Bottas or Senna to De Cesaris.
@@spilot1016 Stupid thing to say. Senna died at the beginning of race 3 in a 16 race season. That is by no way, enough races to draw any conclusion. Not to mention the fact that no Schumacher fan who enters this debate ever seems to acknowledge the fact, that the Williams had handling issues that are well documented. They just seem to deny that that ever happened. Just like they'll deny the traction control controversy...
@@handsolo1209 I’ve analysed the drivers over the last 50 years and Max is 7% better than anyone before him. Max came out as 29% better than Lewis. Saying that a 3 legged donkey was 18% better than Lewis. 😂
@@stableianF1oracle I agree that Max is a throwback to the 1980s/90s drivers, but we do have to also admit that the cars were much more difficult and dangerous and the tracks were too, so we will never be able to know for sure if peak Senna was better than peak Fangio or Clark, or if Schumacher was better than Max. They were all the best of their eras and would all be super close to each other if they raced each other, and it's a shame we can never get to see it. Imagine a grid with the same cars and it is Senna, Schumacher, Fangio, Stewart, Max, Lauda, etc and not a Bottas or Stroll to be seen!
I personally think Senna and Schumacher and Max would be very close and battle it out. If Schumacher in some races during his Merc days could challenge Hamilton and Alonso who are still on the grid and mighty competitive I believe in his prime and Senna too would be able to fight Max just fine. Just look at some of the few races we’ve had Max has been under pressure once the cars have been closely matched. And I cheer on Max religiously. Max is very fast and consistent. But he’s not godly or seconds quicker no driver is in F1 they are very closely matched on outright pace. It’s the consistency of the drivers and the pace of the cars that will separate the best drivers and stop them from fighting it out more regularly. Max can beat anyone but he to is beatable. My favourite driver will always be Michael Schumacher and even I know how great and special Michael was but that doesn’t mean he’s a god out there on track he can beat everyone and he can be beaten as well. It’s just how F1 and sports works.
OMG!! Eddie has now truly lost the plot. Verstappen's success has come in one of the most dominant cars Formula One has ever seen, useless teammates, and not forgetting the assistance from a certain race director of course 😉. Senna and Schumacher could both pull out results in inferior, or wounded machinery. Verstappen has never done that. What a load of feckin' nonsense.
The mos dominant car, and a useless teammate. One who’s proven himself so hopeless that they’ve resigned him for another two years
The only wounded bit was your brain at birth …. 😂😂😂 Lewis girlies hate to hear the truth.
The mp4/4 and F2004 were also two of the most dominant cars in F1 history. Also the W11 was the fastest car in F1 history but for some reason non-one ever hailed Mike Elliot as the sole reason of Mercedes winning when Hamilton had a joke of a performance advantage.
@@ronmastrio2798 Yes, Hamilton etc have on occasion a car advantage, but they also had exceptional team mates, who they had to beat. Verstappen has NEVER had that. Senna had Prost as a team mate, a four time world champion! Schumacher had team mates who were very capable beating him. Verstappen is quick, but he's not one of the greats, yet. Two tainted championships out of three? Hmmm.
@@stevenwitts6968 Didn't he do well in Canada this weekend 😂😂😂😂
Max represents the leading edge of video game kids. They've been getting high level eye hand coordination training since they stopped pooping their pants. In this regard all previous generations cannot compete. Conversely I don't think this new generation of young lions would do so well in the lower grip lower downforce
o downforce eras
Max definitely would, he is adaptable as can be. Now the other guys, you might have a point there.
Easy to be faster than a dead person all tark,
how funny
Not so easy as you think. A regular corpse could still beat Lewis today 😂😂😂😂
@@stableianF1oracle Man that's Brutal !!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
MV01 is the goat he showed it in 2019 and 2020
Hahaha , Eddie is lost here , Max hasn't shown anything yet to show himself at Senna ‘s level , Schumacher absolutely was never at Senna’s level ..
Well, he was competitive against him in 1992 and 1993. 1994, we will never know how it would have went.
Not having a clue mate ……. All former F1 drivers hail/ hailed Max, they know a one in a lifetime talent!!
Haters just doesnt like to hear it, its just the goat
I think Eddie is a lot more qualified then you he worked with them both ffs.
Luckely you know better than other drivers, team principals and experts.
That's what we call arrogance, no knowledge but knowing things better than people with knowledge!
Max is the first driver I started following properly after Michael Schumacher. For me…Michael will always be the GOAT! But I wish Max all the success
Exactly ✌️
Idiotic statement from Eddie (again). Max is totally unproven outside of having the fastest car on the grid. Schumacher won multiple WCs when not having the fastest car, let's see if Max ever does that
Max was beating Bottas in a Merc that was always between 0.5-2.0 seconds per lap faster, so he more than proved himself when he didn't have the fastest car, however, I will say that Senna and Schumacher had to fight against Prost, Mansell, Lauda, Piquet, Alonso, Raikonen, Villeneuve, Hakkinen etc where as Max has really only had Hamilton to fight against.
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As a Senna fan, I'd like to believe that to. But although it pains me, you have to look at these things objectively and this same channel interviewed Gehard Berger who believes Max might be better. Still, Senna managed to win a WDC against Prost who, at the time, was a two time World Champion in the same car. That's something, Michael, Max, and Lewis never achieved...
@@addsy6396Lewis outscored a two times world champion in his rookie year.
@@stevenwitts6968 Outscoring is impressive but its not a WDC
Some TH-camrs ask to subscribe. This is just being passive aggressive. But since you "asked", I have subscribed to the family of gazillion listeners.
I can't believe people are acctually agreeing that Max would smoke Schumi and Ayrton. Amazing what marketing can do. Eddie is a lifelong friend of Verstappen family and Max is eyeing a Red Bull exit. Just to give you dumbasses some context. Don't come here from netflix having watched a couple of documentaries and think you know anything about F1.
With respect, what is your connection to F1 & how long have you been a follower, to gain the knowledge that you have?
The truth hurts doesn’t it. Schumacher and Ayrton were badly flawed and wouldn’t get near Max just as Lewis at his best wouldn’t.
Listen guys, I'm not going to explain myself to you. Only way Max beats Schumi and Ayrton in a race is if they all drive cars from their eras. Even then I would argue that F2004 ends up on top on a track with a lot of straits, like Monza. We only have those nowdays anyway since basically the only way to overtake is using DRS on a straight. Sport is completely different, preparation now includes simulators while back in the day you had to be quick from the get go and much more naturally talented. You are clearly younger and you defend the era and drivers you grew up watching and that's okay. But, before you do just make sure you have all the facts. Alonso beats Max in the same car tuned to their liking, even now at almost 43.
@@luka7337 Strange to say you're not going to explain yourself then write an essay explaining yourself. 😂😂 Face it you lost the arguement and the point. Max is the greatest natural racer ever. There we go .... The end.
@@luka7337 Ahhh so your a "Sunday sofa sitting experts" knowing better than FJ and DC ???? riiiiiiight !! No need to explain yourself we knew that when you opened your mouth 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Eddie is just trying to be liked and relatable to the younger generations who just started following F1.. the truth is you cant ever compare drivers from different eras, F1 has always changed through time and so the challenges the drivers face. max can only be the best driver in his era. Wanna hate on me? I dont give a sh!t
It’s not too hard to look great in the best car with a teammate who’s hopeless. In Monaco he hit the wall twice and came sixth.
You know nothing about race car driving if you think it's "not too hard"
You must be a Schumacher fan, best driver in the best car in which he made every teammate look hopeless.
Well he won it twice before so what is your argument LOL?????
In 2023 he hit the walls 3 times in qauly and got pole..................
And Schumacher crashed in the tunnel at Monaco behind the safety car. The idea that drivers have to win every single race i just silly.