Why I Switched from Kings to Dobinson MRRs on my Toyota Tacoma
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2022
- I wanted to make a quick video explaining my reasoning why I personally switched out my King 2.5 suspension on my Tacoma for the Dobinson MRRs. By no means were the Kings not performing, but as you'll see in the video, my Kings were outdated, in need of a rebuild, and required too much maintenance for my liking. Both are great options and I highly recommend both.
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Same setup for over a year now but with Deaver stage 3’s. Love it
Another great and key video Grant! As far as the rig is concerned, there is the "land" part of overlanding and and the "over" part of overlanding. And what gets you over the land are your tires and your suspension. You can't control the land that lies before you, but you can control the tires and suspension you have. It doesn't matter what's above the frame. Jeep, Taco, Suburban, VW bug, Tesla, or Cadillac Eldorado, just see any Mad Max movie. As long as it can supply torque and HP to all 4 wheels, nothing else matters. Not your frig, not your tent, not your fancy pull out drawer kitchen. Thanks Grant!
Your most suspenseful video yet!
Thank for this video. Looking to upgrade my lift so this came just in the knick of time
I've got them in my 200 series Toyota landcruiser. I've had them for 20 months so far and are excellent 👌. Hello from South Australia
Is that up or down in aus?
I have the exact same setup. Such a great system.
Glad people are ditching the race-brands for their trail vehicles and daily drivers. Dobinsons and OME BP51s are probably the two best options out there for overlanding and trail rigs, tons of adjustability gives the best ride quality no matter how your rig is loaded, or if its just daily commuting on pavement.
Agreed! Appreciate you watching.
Any chance you guys are going to Stock Dobinson MMR's? If so, would you do a review on them?
@@DylanBogusz we've got a couple dobinson videos in the works, and it looks like we'll be getting their MRR on either our Ranger or Tacoma for a review
well of course you would say that since you are getting dobinsons into your store soon haha. kings are considered "racing" shocks because of the huge amount of custom orders they can make with the customer, something dobinsons isnt even close to yet. so regarding that, kings will still be a better fit for any overlanding or trail vehicle since kings can be made to match the vehicle EXACT purpose, weight, flex etc etc..but for 99% of people these fine details wont matter anyway. they are all great shocks in the end, just thought your comment was a little bit misleading as a store who sells the racing shocks.
It’s good to see Australian brands, Dobinsons, Safari and ARB, making a mark in the US market.
Loved the Dobinsons MRR LT kit that was on my 4Runner. Hoping they get into the Bronco market!
They're designed and waiting for production!!
@@ExitOffroad Nice!!! Can't wait to hear more about them.
Nice rig buddy, definitely thinking or going this route on the Runner over Kings. One thing I will say is good luck with the SPCs. I literally just threw mine in the trash a few weeks ago. Thanks for the insight on this setup
Thanks! Dang, why'd you trash them? They're an excellent arm. I did just switch them out to the new Dobinson Billet UCAs, but the SPCs are still great. Just gotta know how to dial in the settings.
Same here on SPCs, inner bushings were crap within 5k miles, made clunking sounds that I chased for a long time. Changed out just about the whole suspension because of the SPC UCAs…. Never again.
Install videos are awesome!!!!
I’ve been running a set of MRR on my GX460. So far only about 10,000 miles but I absolutely love them. I did have to adjust them quite a bit from the “recommend settings”. With that said it rides like a dream.
whats your settings?
@@YotaSurfs keep in mind my rig is 7260lbs in full Overland mode. I run the front and rear rebound almost maxed out. LSC compression I mess with depending on driving. Daily I actually like it pretty stiff. Wheeling I like it soft. HSC I believe I’m at 7 in the front and 6 in the back.
Super interesting video….my first thought was why??? Price and wait time due play a factor. But a King rebuild will take you about 2 to 4 weeks. I had it done on my Tacoma after an accident. Talked to King directly and it cost 110$ a shock(took 2 weeks to get them back, but I don’t live that far from the factory). I can see why you got rid of the older ones and went for the adjustable res on the Dobsons(run newer adjustable Kings myself). I also run the same Camburg UCA and love them, no squeak yet in most drier desert conditions.
Thanks for the review Grant. I am contemplating a 4Runner or Wrangler and suspensions. I had not even thought about mud and the high angle ball joints. I will definitely keep SPCs in mind. The clay in the Ozarks gets in every crack and crevice.
Yes it does! Whatever has less maintenance is a win in my book.
Spc ball joints didn’t last very long for me Got rid of em went to JD fab and started running their stuff uni balls But with oem inner bushings
Always a good choice. Truck is looking great.
This confirms my choice for Dobinson's ok my next set
I didn’t spring for the MMRs, but I love my Dobs. What a quality company with a million options
Heck yeah. The IMS are really great too
How would you recommend setting all the adjustments I am putting this kit on and am really not sure how to set a suspension up
can you share your settings front and rear?
Are they having linear piston or digressive?
I ordered the IMS. Any review on that? It will be for my 2021 Toyota Sequoia
How they ride on tarmac, on gravel and on sand dunes?
@ArkansasOffroad did you mean 314's on the coils? 352s are their heavy rate coil at 730#.
What lift did you set for front and rear?
Recommendation for lifting the rear
The Dobinson MRR's look very good.
How these holding up? I’m on my 3rd one on the passenger front. First 2 leaked but other than that I’m ok with them.
I would suggest you put something over the bolt sticking out of the frame that the rear hose (I assume on both sides) is against. Vibration will for sure rub a hole in the hose over time. I have replaced many hoses on tractors and such for issues just like that. Otherwise, it looks great..
Appreciate that! That’s actually some bolts from the rear drawer system. It’s actually just like that on one side, but I’ll definitely fix that.
Thanks for the vid, will definitely be checking into these. Also, curious as to where you got all the manufacturer decals made? Clean way of repping all the mods.
No problem. For those decals, I made them on my computer to scale in Adobe illustrator and had a local decal shop print them in a strip.
Yeah, I know the feeling. I have the Total Chaos and it's annoying when they squeak.
did you use the proper bolt where the shocks meets the LCA? OEM bolts are angled, making the bearings on the shock end sit unevenly. you have to use a straight bolt so bearing sits evenly. prime example of how most people watching this vid and commenting have no idea what their talking about haha
Have 3.0 King's w/adjusters and deavers on my '16 silverado and love them. I totally agree regarding the uniball vs an enclosed ball joint. Sounds and squeaking is totally unsat. Uniball is primarily for extreme articulation & travel which sounds good on paper but it's hard to make adequate use of them without a long-arm setup... also they catch so much darn dirt and dust not worth it unless you have a prerunner type of truck. I have Dirt King uca's and they've been great so far.
Why are you selling the camper shell? Any issues with it? I just put an ARE CX HD on my truck and love it!
Less than a third of the cost of Kings in Australia. 30,000+ kms on my MRR’s in my Hilux fault free.
Haha, I love it! Perfect example.
Nice brother im thinking of running the same setup on my truck did you ask them to set a certain ride height for the front when you had them build the Coilovers?
Can’t go wrong in my opinion. Yes, I got these assembled and said I wanted a 3” lift.
@@ArkansasOffroad thanks for the info 👍
@Arkansas Offroad thank you for this video.... Can you do an update how many miles you have no on them how they been a year later? Please !
Probably have 30,000 miles on them and they’re still incredible. Very happy with them
I’m trying to go with the same set up but the options on the front coils is only stock or heavy duty it doesent show a medium
There's 2 heavy duty's. The first one is technically medium.
I see snow on the ground; How do the Dobinsons perform in freezing temperatures. Do they stiffen up a bit or do they perform the about the same as in moderate/warm temps? Ive heard Kings loose most to all of their plushness in the cold.
How is the corrsosion? Their aluminum bodies stands up to it well?
So far so good. All shocks won’t perform great in extremely cold environments because they all use oil. Once it’s warm through some cycling, it does well. No corrosion on this since it’s not a raw body.
I was thinking of getting JBAs, or Icons (tubular), but I'm not sure if it's going to be okay for alignment... It's for my 4Runner with a set of 34s (295/70). I also live in harsh winters. Not sure if these would give me enough adjustments or if i should get the Dobinsons for the extra $$
I would get whatever has the least maintenance and whatever you can afford
Everyone wants King/race car parts until you have to maintain them like race car parts. Second time around I went sealed ball joint and shock wrapping too to protect the shaft.
Everytime it rains I had to grease the UCA (Camburg) bushings, had to dry film the uniball monthly, rebuild every 2/3 years
i guess they didnt do their research. They think bigger price=better, meanwhile a shock half the price would have met their needs. running boots on the east coast can be a disaster, trapping dirt, salt, rocks etc inside the boot with no way out and you cant even see the damage until its late. youre right on some people dont have the time to maintain the expensive parts they purchased.
What fridge are you gonna sell? 🤔
Where will you be posting the items for sale? I may be interested in a few things
Everything’s sold already, sorry! I posted that stuff a while ago on Instagram.
King shocks needs to be revalved to suit the use. They are really good but the sales support is not good. When I order kings with Viton seals. It is not installed with viton seals . If ur a race team they will take care of u for sure. But individual regular customer . Dobinson mrr is the go.
thats why you go thru a company like shock surplus, accutune, filthymotorsports.. king has bigger fish to fry and you should know that as a grown adult lol
Great review. I just placed an order for same setup. Did you order the long travel version for rear?
Yeah, rear long travel. Loving it
Any gx470 running this set up? Or similar?
that is interesting how the Dobinson's runs upside down compared to the Kings, but I think the Dobinson's orientation has the advantage of positioning the shock shaft higher, which protects the shock shaft from gravel damage and less mud and dust will get to it. If the shock shaft stays cleaner and has less damage, the shock's seals will last longer.
Totally agree with the orientation advantage.
#1 reason for this orientation is that all the existing range of coils Dobinsons make could be used on them. She shaft is also extremely well protected too.
Its because theyre made in Australia and everything down here is upside down
youre overlooking a huge design flaw. do you see where the reservoir connector is? at the bottom of the shock, wide open facing the front..ready to take on the exact damage youre talking about. one hit and youre shock is done on the trial. idk about you but id rather see damage over time on a shaft then have a shock spill all its oil instantly. the comments in this video is filled with ignorance.
read my comment above, its a terrible design.
Do you think the dobbinsons ims is good for a 4runner with minimal extra weight? I don't really go on many extreme trails to justify a full resi setup
I have their base line Nitro Monotubes and LOVE them on my 4R. I have their UCA’s and extended sway bar links, along with an Eimkeith PCK I welded in. I have less than $2500 in my entire suspension and couldn’t be happier.
The IMS are the MRR without the external resi, and adjustability. So yes they would be beyond good for your 4Runner. Dobinsons has more spring choices than anyone, so stock weight, or extra heavy you'll have no problems.
Hey man, I have similar weight on my truck with go fast camper and stuff. I'm curious to know what settings you like to run the shocks at? I only had mine on for a little while now so still trying to figure out what I like best. thanks
Best way is just to play with it. Try it all the way firm, drive around a bit. And then all the way soft and drive it around. Whichever feels better, start there and then change 2-3 clicks the opposite direction until you find a good setting you like. And try not to just drive on the highway. Try speed bumps, slow bumps, curbs, etc. if you can’t get to the trails easily.
Thanks for the suggestions. What settings on high speed, low speed and rebound have you found you like ?
Damn so I can't send it on some sand dunes with these can I?
Hey all, i recently got the Lexuz GX460 2022 and i am really annoyed by how stiff/hard or uncomfortable the ride is oj the rough roadd and bombs, Now i am think of upgrading the OEM electrical suspentions to either FOX or Dobinsons IMS despite the cost variance between these two. What do you think please, how is the dobninsons IMS for someonr who is not that much rough offroader but looking for improved comfortable and handing of this SUV noticablly and good for light offroading also. I am really confused. Thanks
By chance have you done the ARB rear diff vent kit?
I haven't done the ARB kit, I did it myself with some fuel line. Routed it to the tail light.
9:50 that upper cv boot is about blow. Be a good idea to do the boot stretch mod. No I’m not kidding it’s a real thing classy tacos has a video on it.
Huh really? Looks normal to me.
Do your rear tires come close to the reservoirs at all, make any contact when you stuff the tire? Thanks, great vid.
Nope!
@@ArkansasOffroad thanks, I ordered them last week. I used the Dobi mounts during initial install but their mounts stick out to far from the inner body and tires hit when stuffed. Soon to be replaced with the King mounts. Thanks again.
Seen anybody running them on a tundra?
What front lights are you running on your bumper?
Pathfinder PROWLRs
Same kit on a GX 470, love them. Mashes off road....literally jumped them at like 60mph with like 4 or 5 ft of air!!! (Not on purpose) but handled it like a baja cup truck lol!!!
Yooooo hahahaha right on!
@@ArkansasOffroad I wish the would make a active or at least semi active setup that could adjust on the fly from the cab (kind if like an airtek bag suspension)
....now I know they (fox i think) make a cup suspension but its 20k....and thats fn ridiculous! I know the technology is there; I been thinking about retro fitting a "bag on coil" kit and adding the air ride sensors and from accu air the air struts from D2 and figuring out how to hack their controls with a arduino piggyback ed to their computer control. Sounds pretty difficult but I'm pretty positive I can imitate pretty close to that 20k desert runner/baja system. Couple heavy duty shock position sensors...couple accelerometers...couple months and about 5k I figure I can get it done 90% the other 10% would be coding, hacking accu air controller and programming and essentially real world testing for the codification and real time tuning which i have a guy for that loves that kind of sh!t...if I get her finished I will post up results maybe even make a vlog of the progress!! I have been in a cup truck before and active suspension is a mind blower to say the least!!
Can you adjust the front height without removing them?
Not recommended. This is due to the load on the spring.. You can Damage the Threads ( if you can get them to turn at all ) and I bet have a hard time getting warranty if needed. That being said you can remove the load on the spring while still mounted to make adjustments but it can be dangerous to you and the Gear. This is about the same for any height adjustable shock.
Did u get standard or extended travel in rear???? Please respond haga
Long travel. They make extended, but these are specifically long.
Where can I buy that hat?? Would love to support!
They’re from our company Backwoods Adventure mods, but unfortunately we don’t sell them. We send out swag boxes to all of our customers that order a bumper or any of our products. Sorry man! I wish we had way more just to sell.
If your truck disappears in the middle of the night, it was me!
Lol thanks for the heads up!
Check put exit offroad ...crikey has some videos for install on the ....tube...hose route
Yep, I've seen his videos. Theyre great
@@ArkansasOffroad Thanks!!!
Are these the long travels???
The rear is
Worth it to delete the sway bar?
Yeah I like it. Actually have always had it out. Bought it that way. Still feels very planted and comfortable.
Did you consider ARB’s BP-51s?
I did. They're super nice, I just went with Dobinsons because I liked them a little better. And the BP's were a little more $
if it uses 3 seals then its a problem not a asset
Why?
Literally what the video is for
I had looked at kings, compared their build against fox. For the money, fox was the better built shock. While I am sure kings are very good shocks, I think clever marketing and attractive packaging on their part keeps them competitive against a better shock.
Says no off-road racer
both are excellent shocks made for different applications but you clearly have no idea what youre talking about when comparing them. shocks like king or fox dont make it to the top just because of marketing or shiny parts.
Lmao. SAS ftw
Seems like a sweet downgrade.
Did you not watch the whole video?