As an elder who sat down on many of these meetings and actually went to the training watching these videos I am ashamed of how I accepted all these rules and actually imposed them on my brothers and sisters.
When I was DFd and the reinstatement took a year, I did get closer to God. And what it made me realize was that I could be closer to God if Watchtower wasn't a third wheel in-between. So I got reinstated and walked away.
Good. Spirituality is between the individual and God. It’s like a good marriage: keep the snoppy relatives out of it. It’s a personal relationship. Good for y’all.
You did the right thing. Run, run away from that cult as fast as you can! It took me 50+ years to realize that I had been duped into this false religion that really is a man made cult!
erwin6877, So many of these "Spiritual Shepherds" are only immature, egomaniacs who totally get off on their POWER and the enjoyment that they get from causing hurt and trauma to others. I am so sorry that you were treated that way!! 😢
So Robby just abandons the person he fathered a child with? Moves away before the child is even born, Robby is an ass. What a kiss up to the new elder body??
Dinotudusca3821, You echoed precisely what I was thinking!!! These elders, who "represent God," are JUDGING Robby, and THREATENING Robby with DESTROYING HIS LIFE because he fell in love with "the wrong person," and fathered a child; they are threatening him with being disfellowshipped and completely SHUNNED if he doesn't DUMP the mother of his child, the woman he loves, and then, behind his back when they KNOW that Robby is in the PIT IF DESPAIR, totally traumatized and conflicted, they sit around discussing whether or not he displayed proper "repentance"!!! And when that one arrogant elder shut down the compassionate elder with, 'Well, not once did Robby mention being sorry for hurting his relationship with Jehovah...," that was SO UNLOVING. So they "HAD to" disfellowship this poor young man. 😢
@@nospringchicken2211 YES. 0 discussion about his responsibilities. Clearly there was some attraction between the two, the elders literally could be responsible for breaking up a potential family
The Aquarium was funny. If there had been a condom in the script there would not have been a problem. And yes, the Roman Catholic would have welcomed a new family of three as new members!
I was disfellowshipped--excuse me, I mean "removed from the congregation"--twenty years ago. When one man who had been my closest friend in the organization asked me to request reinstatement, I told him if he could show me the words "disfellowship" and "judicial committee" anywhere in the Bible, then I would humble myself and ask for reinstatement. I then said to him, "But you won't show me those words because you can't; and you can't because they aren't in the Bible." The fruitage of this arrangement is universally bad, but that is just one of many reasons I will never set foot in any gathering of Witnesses again.
i educated myself about actual religion (some very close friends of mine were muslim, which sparked interest) it's interesting to me how JW uses actual religion and twists it into their cult. It still is possible to see the roots of it, but the goal seems to be the opposite. Where a muslim friend would have gone above and beyond to take full responsibility for their child, JW would do the opposite. (And before anyone asks, my friends came from different countries, which gave us all a very interesting learning experience)
That was the nullification of christ sacrifice. They Basically are saying, christ sacrifice was not enough so we need to kick you out. Truth is truth. And belief is stronger than truth.
Unless it is rape, CSA, Abuse, Incest, or you marry your father's or brother's wife (like king Herod who was criticized by John the Baptist, did), or your mother or sister's husband... Also, if the sex leads to aborted babies, then that is also a big sin.
Believe me, there are PLENTY of situations where you should feel guilty for having sex. More than I can count in fact! But the act of having sex by itself is not evil. Its how we were all brought into this life
"JWs don't tear apart families! We build strong spiritual families!" Literal training video of a bunch of old men telling a guy who really liked a woman to leave her and his new child in a ditch. When he does as he's told and he still gets punished.
Hey man just wanted to say thanks for making these videos. I've been df for about 10 years now and only in the past 5 years have I been able to break out and heal from the horrible brainwashing my entire family put me through my entire life. These kind of videos help a lot 🙏🏻
@steevyos94 It's when the rest of the family are controlled and can't think for themselves. It's not until some are on their last breath and all they can think/preach/ or say "SEE YOU IN THE RESURRECTION".
I think it is sometimes hard for disfellowshipped people to wake up because there is always this guilt that they committed the sin. In my case, I never committed any judicial offense. I discovered it was a cult and just walked away. It always makes me sad when I meet a disfellowshipped person that says that they are trying to go back
I’m having an unpleasant reaction watching the judicial meeting, and I have never been in one. I can’t even begin to imagine how a JW feels being subjected to this. It makes me sick to think people have had to endure this bs. Evil $hit.
People CHOOSE to endure this humiliation. Also, because of a JW trepidation and hate of the world, notice how the JW never really grows up. They are the typical Peter-pan men, who flit from congregation to congregation but never face responsibility “in the world” and truly believe they don’t have to because it is a “wicked system of things” to be destroyed anyway.
This training video came out the same year I was appointed as an Elder. It was literally the first training video of its kind as The Organization started shifting to film production/education. We were taught there’s a difference between “Worldly sadness” vs. “Godly sadness”, so we had to discern were the tears based upon an individual getting “caught” or b/c they want to rectify their relationship with Jehovah. Smh Hence, the interrogation. What I soon found out after my 1st judicial meeting, & I came home crying like a baby b/c I didn’t understand the heartless nature of The Elders I was on the committee with, was that the judicial act is very subjective. I would venture to say based upon who the person is that confesses/questioned & who the Elders are handling the matter, a decision is pre-determined 70% of the time no matter what the sin is. I’ve seen Elder’s kids get slaps on the wrist b/c of who the parents are, but then I’ve also seen them get absolutely railroaded, giving The Body an excuse to kick that brother from The Elder Body b/c a couple of brothers didn’t like him. The sad part of this is none of it, literally none of it is scriptural. Even the justification they try to use from the Bible under the Mosaic Law shows that when someone did come before the judges, the congregation was involved to witness; the JWs do this behind closed doors w/ no one else around. So glad I left; this video is a kind reminder of why I disassociated as an Elder.
Loved reading what u wrote. By the end I had tears in my eyes also. 3mths now. I'm a married faded female now about 4yrs . A witness for 40yrs. Had my husband not got sick he would have become an elder. Pioneer, Ms when we met. I was auxiliary n initially bc so close to the end, wecwere going to wait till paradise to start a family. I couldn't wait n 4yrs later I decided I wanted a child. (Our conviction to wait was based on a older man (not gb but no idea who was sent from amercia to give us his discourse at the racecourse in sydney). He stated clearly, rem I'm still young in my 20s as is my husband n your told.....time of end.....he literally stated....this is not the time to start having a family. We both took it seriously (ofcourse both not knowing anything about jws past predictions re the past. My parents became jws just b4 1975 n were told the end was coming then. I've heard a no of those stories first hand. My dad, thank goodness he already owned his own house bc I know an army of jws who rent to this day n even ones who sold up bc of the end n now r renting. My dad had life ins for us all n cancelled it. I'm just grateful he never sold his house. We own most of our house now. Butvagain started with a mortgage later in life bc atv1st we hadcthecsame attitude to rent as we didn't need to own a home so close to the end. I've noticed in Australia the mentality of the bros whether to rent or buy differs greatly state to state eg my last cong in Sydney u were wordly if u bought a house or built. Participated in weekend sport was a no no in all my 3 congs in Sydney. In wa it's normal for the bros to own or build n the norm is a 4x2. We have been in 4 congs here n the 1st one when our son was little (my jw still) husband n his bro now an elder did after school sport training n weekend matches with the boys. My 1st cong here hadca lot of trouble with the teens n some were elders sons (same with my childhood cong) 100% as u said, one rule for elders kids n one rule for the rest. I know I haven't addressed the content here much but I just wanted to say how much I appreciate hearing people of position, maybevlike ubwho truly started out wanting to be a sheperd but saw the opposite. The ones putting out these videos (trained by wt) do such a marvellous job. I adore Wally's, never boring n have never heard what he went through. My pimo friend nearly committed suicide after his 1st one. It took a lot out of me mentally n physically being a support person when the phone would ring with a sobbing good friend. Eventually I suggested a family therapist n changevtobanother one if u dont feel comfortable. Thankfully he found a beautiful older family woman who had had exp with jws. He later said, ofcourse he thanked me. But he said this lady saved his life. I asked him what's the main difference. What did she do to help u that the elders didn't do. He answered, she listened to Mr. All the elders wanted to do was show me scriptures in the Bible. It still took us both many more yrs to wake up. As u can see I'm a good talker, a-z, not just a,but,, c. But a child is involved here n this training video has in a nice word, cheesed me off. So believe it not, I'm not finished. I'm going to now comment in Wally's comments.
@@delphinawhiles6235 Thank u 4 sharing ur story. What’s sad is everything u just wrote is not uncommon or unheard of no matter what part of the world we’re in if u belong/belonged to this sectarian form of Christianity. That brother giving u advice on not having children, it’s literally littered throughout many of JWs publications from the ‘30’s - 80’s. Ray Franz even commented on this in his book “Crisis of Conscience”, as to why he didn’t start a family. I want to say maybe 4 months b4 I officially disassociated, I had a nice, yet disheartening convo w/ an elderly sister in my congregation. She provided me w/ a financial gift b/c she thought I was depressed (at this time we’re on Zoom, & I’m actively not commenting anymore or truly engaging w/ the friends b/c my conscience was killing me finding out EVERYTHING about the religion via its own publications I had access to not found on JW.org) So of course I called to thank her, but also wanted to give the $$ back b/c I wasn’t in need; so I just encouraged her to donate it or use it for herself. We began talking, & she tells me she got baptized in ‘74 b/c the ladies studying w/ her told her the world was ending in ‘75, and this was a work that Jesus assigned them to do, a life saving work. She admitted she wasn’t a Bible reader, and she was looking for something good b/c of family problems. She gets baptized, fully committed to preaching, so she quits her job. Then ‘75 hit, & of course nothing. Now, thank goodness she met a man who was a skilled laborer in The Union. They get married, buy a house (she still lives in ‘til this day), but she convinces him that any moment the world was coming to an end, so they, too, never had kids b/c, per The Society’s admonition, the time left is short, the world was getting worst, and now wasn’t the time to focus on career, getting married, eating, drinking, having kids, taking no note of the time they’re living in like those in Noah’s day (her exact words). Then she gives a soft chuckle, & says “my brother, that’s why u saw us w/ adopted children when we met b/c I was too old by then, but I still wanted kids so we became a foster parents.” My ? to her was, what kept her going? (But in mind I was like WHY DIDN’T U LEAVE, but then I would’ve exposed myself.) She said the people. She said she stayed b/c the people & the sister who studied w/ her (died in 2003) claimed to be apart of the anointed told her even Jesus Disciples made mistakes, but just remember Jehovah is using The Society and The Light gets brighter. Again, tears were in my eyes b/c 1. She lost her youth 2. I couldn’t share w/ her that Jesus Disciples asked ?’s, they did not teach incorrect things & claim they came from Jehovah 3. She became numb to it all, so her attachment wasn’t The Bible, wasn’t what was being taught, it was people. 4. None of her foster children accepted the religion, her husband died, & none in the congregation were inviting her to gatherings (except the annual congregation picnic we used to have), so her association came strictly from the meetings, meaning she was alone. As someone who felt sick to my stomach that I wasted 40 yrs of my life believing a lie, I take a step back & be like, there’s many who wasted their entire life in this religion b4 finding out it was lie; while others still are, grasping on to a hope that’s not found in the Bible. U can’t & will never find the phrase “paradise earth” from Genesis - Revelation, yet it’s uttered repeatedly during meetings, publications, assemblies, & conventions; & b/c the religion does all the research for its members, while convincing them it’s impossible to understand the scriptures w/o their publications, the few times the word paradise does appear (3x throughout the entire Bible) or the phrase “inherit the earth”, these sheep are not allowed to see the full context/meaning/historicity of those passages. They r still banking on something that JWs preach, but not the early Christians. B/c I still love all the ones who turned their backs on me (no fault of their own, of course; they believe they r doing the right thing based upon indoctrination), it hurts to know how misguided they r.
After serving in every elder position and hundreds of committee meetings (actually probably several hundred) I realized that disfellowshipping an individual depended on how much he rubbed shoulders with the elders. Elders and their kids were almost never disfellowshipped because it wasn’t so much the sin, but a popularity contest! After 53 years in this cult I finally washed my hands of this false religion!
@@SuperDave-vj9en Bingo, my brother. Exactly right. Even the reinstatement was subjective. If they liked someone, but let’s say there was no choice but to DF b/c of the “notoriety” of the sin, they’ll sit out for 6-8 months b4 getting reinstated, & their privileges are restored every 3 months. However, if they don’t care too much for u, it could be 18 mos + before a person gets reinstated, then they want to set them up w/ a Bible study out of “God’s Love” book (at that time) to restore their love for Jehovah & his law, then they want to meet not just w/ the individual, but also the person assigned to study w/ them to gage their progress. Smh. The irony of it all is that, until recently (like 2015-16), The Organization raised hell for sins like fornication & adultery, wanting to know all the grimy details that have nothing to do w/ a person “needing spiritual assistance”, but when it came to CSA allegations, it was 2-witness rule heavy, many of the times swept under the rug b/c of “he say she say.” Hell, at one point it took a sister (I was a new elder to this congregation) to inform me how offended she was to see a brother convicted of CSA give Bible readings & comment. I asked the brothers what was going on, & their reply was “well that happened 15 yrs ago & he served time.” Called The Branch, and at first they were apprehensive until we talked about stumbling others & then we received “clarified”directions on how to handle him. The only changes were: 1. He couldn’t give talks or be appointed, but could comment and help w/ local KH assignments 2. He couldn’t have a key any longer 3. Couldn’t be in field service with a minor & had to go out w/ an elder so HE CAN BE PROTECTED IN CASE THE NEIGHBORS RECOGNIZED HIM ON THE REGISTRY. However, there was no instructions about informing parents or guardians of minors. That changed around like ‘17-18, & the implicit instructions were for each family head to: 1. Keep the matter confidential, not speaking to other parents or members of the congregation about it to preserve the brother’s dignity & 2. Sign a form stating they’ve been informed of the matter. I began ?ing why were we so gun-ho on judicial matters w/ fornication & adultery, why were we so inconsistent on said matters, but seemingly lenient on a much bigger problem, even calling that problem a sin vs. crime? 2021, got my answers & it was a never ending discovery of everything.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 You hit the nail on the head exactly! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with myself and others. My congratulations to you for escaping from this crazy cult that has destroyed so many lives. It has screwed up the minds of many, many, people who will take years to fully recover their mental capacity after being contaminated with false beliefs. Again, I thank you as a real brother who made the decision to flee to real freedom!
Oh boy, big ahh ha moment for me, the moment i realized the elders have no authority over me, it was so annoying, i was immediately like, why did you think they ever did? And yes, I corroborate with Wally's descriptions of judicial communities. I was 18, went into a room with 3 grown men, and was interrogated. I had to tell them, not just once, but several times, in explicit detail, what me and a boy did. It was beyond humiliating. The real kicker was when my grandparents came down, my dad made me announce to the entire table at dinner what I had done and how ashamed I should be. Fun times...
This video made me think about how much suffering I have caused to the people I have judged in my various judicial committees that I have participated in as a congregation elder. Often it ended with me deciding to disfellowship her and her shedding tears. I will never regret enough the harm I have caused to many of them. Greetings from Milan (Italy)
Its ok! We are all imperfect and have all made mistakes in our own way. I was completely judgmental and hypocritical and projected everything that I was myself onto “worldly” people. I’ve been humbled and I’ve learned my lesson. Eyes are open! Greetings from the US!
It shocks me how controlling they are, invasive, judgemental, and how they make him abandon the pregnant woman! If she feels forced to abort? Maybe she’s terrified and her situation forces dire decisions…Which I think the elders are responsible for him deciding to abandon her, and the aftermath of that…Shocking that they encourage that.
The elders are morally repugnant. They are trained to not give a sh*t about the ‘worldly’ person or the boy’s responsibility towards her and the baby. Absolutely DISGUSTING
It infuriates me that George the elder says “Robbie isn’t wicked. I think he just weakly gave into the advances of a manipulative worldly woman!” They have no respect for any woman.
I feel nothing but disgust and contempt for these "so called " elders. Most if not all of them were uneducated, boorish idiots. Most were alcoholics with disfunctional families and yet, had the nerve to stand in judgement of you, and the only reason they were there, was because someone gave them a title to make them feel important even though some of them could not even hold down a job. I left long ago and never looked back. I had a very successful military career, have my own wonderful family, obtained a college degree, and have since retired to enjoy the fruits of my labor. I can not encourage anyone enough to leave while you can still make a life for yourself. Live in the light, and loose the fear. These people have no hold over you.
@4:35 Instructions Unclear. Tried this too. The random Witty Worldly Girl, as it turned out, was a lesbian marine biologist. No baby on the way. We are now planning a group trip to a snorkeling marine sanctuary in Cozumel, and I've redirected my dedicated funds to saving the turtles. Please send Spiritual Help.
Wait. So he just abandoned a woman he got pregnant and can apply for re-instatement?! Also, how would he ever be free to marry? How is the woman not the one who was wronged- she didn't know the rules. She even wanted to get married to "make things right". Way to ruin EVERYONE'S life.
So this girl is pregnant, and he is (or probably is) the father. The legal ramifications of procreation can be quite overwhelming. The comments of the elders are so stupid.
The Aquarium was funny but a condom in the story would have solved the whole need for a judicial meeting....and then he abandons here the Roman Catholics or Baptists would have welcomed new family of three as members.
The first time the elders realized that I didn't give a damn about being a jw was when I was 15, a group of teenagers from the congregation went to try a cigarette, we were 5 idiots, one cigarette for the 5 of us, and a group from another congregation saw us, of course the next day they went and told on us. One by one, we got interrogated by the gestapo I mean the elders and they left me for last, the other idiots caved in and confessed but I wasn't going to give them that satisfaction so I denied the whole thing, I remember how hostile they got, I wasn't even baptized but they kept drilling me until I snapped, told them they were not my dad so that I had to confess someone and left, of course they told my dad what I said but my point was that I was intimidated by older men when I was just 15 without my dad in the room, I hate them.
@reneesalvatori1996 I didn't know about the two witness rule back then, I remember that at one point, I asked them: "Why do you believe them and not me? What if I tell you I saw them smoking and drinking?". And of course, they kept saying that they saw me and I needed to confess, but it got to yelling at one point. When I say they got hostile, I really mean hostile. That's one of the things I'm proud of. At a young age, I stood my ground and showed them I was never going to be part of their cult.
@@davidcd1401 you were wise beyond your age. How would you know about the two witness rule. My sister is still in it at 57 years and never knew about the rule until I told her last year. Those inside the organization have absolutely no clue. They are not allowed.
Elders are creepy. In my judicial they wanted to know all of the intimate details of my fornication confession. So inappropriate. I knew these guys from birth pretty much too. So glad I left and never returned! Thanks for all you do wally!
Geez, that video was horrific. Just hearing that man (even though he was acting) plead for mercy and get rejected was brutal. I feel sorry for any person who has been through that absurdity.
I come back to these type of videos just to remember what my life used to look like. I was 18 years old when I left and I don’t regret looking back. They stole my childhood and any opportunity I could have had that would have benefited my life. They mistreated and publicly humiliated me as a 16 year old. There is no justice other wise the punishment would have been the same for the other kids involved during my committee. This cult is a fucking joke. I’m 23 now and I couldn’t have been any happier.
Its great you got out young. I went through this at 25 and I was the one pregnant. they asked me how many times I came and if I came, and if he did or if we did it the same time it was disgusting. I found out years later one of the elders during my committee was having an affair on his own wife and they switched congregations a month later to brush it under the rug that’s why he was asking me all the questions fantasizing in his head they’re disgusting I left and I’ll never look back.
The thing that really rubs me the wrong way is woman blaming. Like without him, without his partification nothing would have happened. Why she seduced him, why she is in all at fault?
Because small, insecure men do not take responsibility for anything they do. If he watches adult videos, it’s “Satan tempted me”. If he gets a girl pregnant, it’s “she’s a jezebel who seduced me”. This is what thrives in a patriarchal system like JW
Totally like he had no part, what if it was he who reduced her or both just wanted to be together. It's a way to manipulate outsiders are evil and scary and specially women.
Yikes... Never been disellowshipped but their manipulative prying, complete lack of empathy, and entitlement to his personal life still triggered memories of being scolded by my parents .... They used to basically do this under our own roof over the most trivial things. There was this dude my age at my congregation before I went pomo that got disfellowshipped. He used to float in and out of the meetings with the most pitiful look on his face while everyone else that he was "friends" with neglected him. I spoke to him a few times but he understandably was never in the mood to talk. Poor kid 😯
The JWs are prevented from talking to him and he himself is warned not to talk to any other JW or they will get in trouble too. There’s no other way to LOOK but sad and defeated. I went through that too. I couldn’t do it. I ran away.
Not only were we literally scared of dying but we had our parents, the people we loved and trusted and looked up to the most, along with everyone else we had ever known telling us that this was all true and they believe it and they helped to brainwash us and held impossible expectations for us. That is so hard to walk away from.. your entire existence.
It makes me so angry to be honest. It's angers me that I was deceived and brainwashed as a child by this cult. It makes me angry that my parents didn't have the critical thinking skills to realize it was a cult before I was born. It angers me that they were tricked into indoctrinating me for my entire childhood. All because some narcissist named Rutherford staged a coup and took over some insignificant group of Bible students and molded the organization in his own narcisstic image. I used to think my parents were intelligent. Now I have to face the fact that they were incredibly gullible and easily misled.
I refused to get baptized, and growing up I never felt the whole “talk to the eldrers” threat because I was a girl whose mother is a witness but she became one after her and my dad married. So dad isn’t in. And I was best friends with a granddaughter and a daughter of the elders growing up. But I know exactly how big, scary and insanely serious those “TALKS” were. And the granddaughter and I are still besties 30 years later but dude, this video made me feel sick to my stomach listening to the elders speaking in this situation. I so know how they speak at people and this is the most triggering thing I’ve heard in a long time. I know they think they mean well too…but omfg 🤯 Keep doing what you do Wally! You show the deep and twisted side of that life SO accurately and fairly. Beautiful work and just keep doing what you do!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼❤️😎
The temperature of different congregations being brought up was shocking. Having gone to 5 different congregations, the people are definitely a reflection of the elders. A true reflection are their kids. I remember one overseer's son showed me a razor he had hidden in the sole of his shoe. Something I forgot about until just now. He said he had it there if someone tried to hurt him he could kill them. In hindsight, I bet he was being molested or knew there were molesters in the congregation. Apparently, we had a reputation for being kingdom hall hoppers, according to the elders at my last congregation. Which was why they didn't let my parents get baptized for 14 years. Just because we kept moving to where we could afford, which wasn't always in the same territory.
YES! I had a cousin who also hid an “open safety pin” in case she was ever molested again, she thought of it as a weapon. Poor children. No Rights. No choices. No one to talk to or believe them. They think of how to save themselves all by themselves.
I need to watch some kitten playing now, this was traumatizing, eventhough I never was subjected to a "judicial comitee". They wouldn't even try, eventhough I've faded for two years now. We don't have the "see you in court" culture, here in Europe, but I would dragg their asses in court in a blink of an eye!😂😂
OMG Wally this video is PERFECT to show my girlfriend what I went through as a young man. 36:00 is especially helpful! THANK YOU! Keep up the fantastic work!
26:12 indeed one of the most horrible experiences in my life. My only talk with them was investigative with 2 elders and any follow-up was blocked by my (I assume still PIMI (don’t dare asking)) mom. That talk and the emotions that were triggered, definitely left their scars. Eventhough I’ve worked through the experience via IEMT, I still have residual feelings while watching this. Not necessarily the old feelings though, but mostly anger about how they make something completely normal and human between 2 consensual adults, a horrible thing that impacts the sex / romantic life afterwards.
I was 17 at my first judicial meeting, and they made me tell them every detail.. asking really personal questions like did he orgasm? Did you orgasm? Did you have oral? Who did oral on who? Where were you? What exact dates did each sexual encounter happen? And so on.. after doing some major shadow work and healing, I realized that was the point in my life when my deep depression and shame started, the first time I ever felt completely and udderly broken. For the record we only had one sexual encounter ever, and I didn't even have actual intercourse. We were engaged to be married and had been dating secretly for years. His dad was an elder and my dad a servant, so they felt they had to make an example out of us and we were both disfellowshipped. I was treated like a stranger in my own home, cut off from my own family and little sisters... and I did end up marrying the dude when I turned 18. Long story short that was one of the worst decisions I ever made. He was an abusive alcoholic with a porn addiction who refused to sleep with me most of our marriage. He was literally worse than any "wordly" guy I have ever dated.
JWs just breed these types of men by the fistful. It's a testament to how dysfunctional the entire organization is. Especially, since he learned these behaviors growing up with an elder for a father. I wonder if he rejected intimacy because of how Watchtower denounces sex and obsesses over it.
Porn isn't just videos, there are lots of pr0n books out there, just words, no pictures. What the elders are asking for from congregants is a pr0n story. Asking for such stories from minors is highly illegal, and asking it from people they have religious control over is extremely immoral.
The fact that the elders decide the punishment on their own is insane! How strict it will be not only depends on personal views of the elders in your congregation but also on cultural norms. I know a guy that literally tried to STRANGLE his mom TO DEATH in her sleep that didn’t face major consequences…but on the other hand an acquaintance from South Korea was disfellowshipped for “flirting” too much with women.
Details of sexual activity always have weirded me out about these interviews. I just saw it around me when I was in it as a kid. I’m so glad I left at 17 back in 87
Hey Wally. This is infuriating , hilarious ,and hypocritical all in one . They're not there to help. They want two witnesses to prove a child molester is guilty,but the fornicater is guilty from the start & must be punished for the act. Essentially, they are judge, jury & executioner.
That’s an excellent point. So true. A child is molested but there is no reporting to police, no investigation of there’s nothing two witnesses, and pedophiles are protected and run around holding microphones and grinning. It is sick and twisted and cringey and should be shut down. Well, soon it will be, as Zoom will be the new tech used. KHs being sold. Hopefully, this in itself will be a way to protect the children. I don’t know. It’s an evil religion. Pyramid scheme.
i think it is so fucked up that they say he should leave this girl and (probably) his unborn baby. they should tell him to stand to his responsibilities instead of abandoning her now if they really cared about being good people. this makes me so mad.
I've told this story before. My jw girlfriend's bra got let in her driveway once. We fooled around a lot, we were 19. One day I'm out in her front yard with her, her mom was there too, and the big elder from the congregation was driving by so i waved. The next meeting he pulled me aside and read me the scripture where Paul says didn't touch a woman and made me give him a resolve. I told my dad who was pissed. I never got her pregnant, our first night after the wedding was awful. I've long since told her how sorry i was but i guess she's doing great now, freaking 34 years later.
Do what’s best for the congregation? No consideration for the young woman carrying his child? Just dump her and label her as manipulative. He was just a victim, weak.
@@FeiWeltall-z2i with me, she was extremely hot, her dad was an ice machine non JW, we got married and the wedding night was a disaster after a lot of fooling around before. Eventually I got some porn and figured out how to please her but it got used against me. Very weird. She left me for 5 months at the elders bequest, came back after 5 months but after I got df'd we stayed together but it became untenable. After about a year apart after that I asked to see her again and we spent a night together but I felt it was wrong and broke her heart again. I still carry this guilt and tried to inform her a few years ago but she didn't want to hear it except for a few jokes. The JW experience is really weird.
Wait, are you saying you didn't have sex with your own wife after you married her because an elder made you promise to never have sex using Paul as an example? Paul never married. It's not even a comparison. Why would he not want you to have relations after you married her? Was he trying to sabotage your life out of spite? And why on earth would you listen after your father expressed anger at the elder for telling you that. Did you never have children because of that?
I noticed the words “ it seems” a lot in the training video, so that lets you know, how you’re judged without the elders truly knowing the whole story, and change lives
Stripped of humanity, autonomy, dignity and natural masculinity!! The repercussions in a man's later psychological, sexual & emotional life must be massive & awful... 😢😢😢
Emotional damage, emotional damage! I can’t believe the org actually documented on video exactly how probing, controlling, and cruel this process is. Although, the elders’ sexual inquiries are often way more personal and graphic than shown here!
What is worse is that the reinstatement process is up to the discretion of the elders. I fought for it for 2 years, and it became clear that my sin (30 seconds of gay touching) was far too much for these specific brothers to ever truly forgive me for. Not god, men.
@@derekmaverick5986 these sick elders make people feel obliged to discuss every natural thing! I am sorry you had to go through that. I attempted to celebrate Xmas “on the sly”. I stashed a tree in a far dark corner and believe me, I did NOT worship it. I merely missed Xmas. My HUSBAND turned me in! Two Elders showed up and said: “Put that thing outside!” I said “No. it’s a potted plant and I LIKE IT!” I was ds’fd that weekend. I’m so happy to be free and I’d never go back. The day they put a xmas tree in a KH and realize people REALLY don’t care if it’s pagan and REALLY don’t care to bow to it; the day they stop shunning; the day a person can save his or her life with blood; the day a pedophile stops grinning and leaping like a fool in a KH doing microphone duties, the day I may believe Jesus is God if I choose to without having to be forced to believe He’s Michael the Archangel, the day the nine GB New York men are ds’fd and shunned and imprisoned, I MAY visit a KH to hug my dying brother and say “I love you!” for the last time.
Maybe I am reading too much into this but, the micro aggression of the white dude with glasses, cutting off the black guy and telling him to let him answer the question but then continue to ask questions of his own kinda pissed me off.
Ha - SAME!! I think he's supposed to be playing the part of the COBE (Coordinator of Body of Elders), so he's like the lead pit bull. It still pissed me off too tho. This is how they behave exactly tho. It's not exaggerated. They're like a pack of rabid wolves.
We’ve come a long way, Baby says a woman dragging on a cigarette. Shitt. That’s nothing but a woman killing herself on tobacco. That’s all. We’ve got such a long way to go. Being a woman definitely does not mean being a JW and being submissive to men. Being a woman does not mean puffing on a cigarette to look cool to men. Being a woman, I’m fact, has nothing to DO with men. It has to do with a woman’s ability to take care of herself and to say, “No” to anybody who she feels in her heart is a “red flag”. Elders and JW men, in my opinion, are big red flags. That’s as big as they get. 😢😮😂
A 19 year old man in my old congregation was caught having sex with his thirteen year old sister. He admitted it had been happening for several years. This POS cried to the elders that she “asked” him and he couldn’t control himself. He was df’d, but SHE was publicly reproved. After that everyone would whisper behind only HER back insulting her and calling her nasty and a sl8t.
As a JW I would hear at the assemblies during the reenactment type segments saying you have to go confess your sins to the elders, which to me sounded a lot like the confessionals within the Catholic Church, but WT condemned that. My Spidey senses went off and I looked up in the insight book about repentance and nowhere was there a scripture saying that you had to confess to men. The book didn’t even say to go to the elders because it couldn’t. The scriptures say in order for repentance go to God and ask for forgiveness. So if men can’t forgive then why would WT say go to the elders? Especially when it’s none of their business . so right there I knew there was something wrong and it wasn’t long after that that I woke up and woke my husband up. We’ve been out since 2019 and are so happy to be away from those judgmental and busybody so called “brotherhood” I’ve never experienced fake friendships and hypocrisy as I did in that group. They never did anything for someone without letting others know about it.
I think it’s a July 2017 WT article that talks about how the GB are not inspired afterall, and Jesus wasn’t clear really about who EXACTLY the “Faithful and Discreet Slave” was, Jesus wasn’t giving them PERFECT food at the right time...the article so badly written because from about that time forward the GB have been trying to squiggle out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves. Can you imagine blaming JESUS?!? So this is why they think they’re not responsible for deaths, or suicides, or family separations or abuses or CSAs or anything else and therefore feel no need to apologize or compensate families. My question would also be: what’s this “anointing” they and the rest of the 144,000 feel that they are? How? Why? What IS it? Etc etc etc. LOTS of investigating to do! 😮
@christinesotelo7655 I personally think being anointed is for people with clear mental disorders or narcissists/sociopaths who realize it will help them claw their way to the top of the organization. They said about as much themselves when referencing the ones with mental disorders. Of course, they'll never admit to the other part. That would be outing the leadership themselves.
I’m a conservative and fundamental Christian, the plight of the Jehovah’s Witnesses hurts my heart. Disfellowshipping, biblically, has no relation to the JW practice of things. I hate how much damage this organization does to people who truly only want to know and love the God who created them.
Hello… I came across your channel and I am glad I did. My husband was a Jehovah witness and I was not a witness. He later got disfellowshipped because he was dating me. This was 25 years ago. Sine then we got married, and I have been married to him close to 22 years. I decided to recently divorced him because I’ve learned he’s had a porn issue for 42 years. My whole relationship with him of 25 years. In the past two months, he decided to go back in the religion. I just received my divorce papers this week. He had recently told me that he had never gotten over being disfellowshipped. That’s the first time I’ve heard that in all my years with him. I felt in the end he blamed me for getting disfellowshipped. He has since gone back into the religion because his mother has been buzzing in his ear the whole marriage asking him when is he going to return to the hall making him feel bad all these years. He told her years ago he would return and she basically held him to that. I realized his mom was jealous of our relationship as well. She also told him about 15 years ago she was considering talking to the elders about stopping him from coming to her funeral. I asked him why is that and he told me it’s because he didn’t return to the hall. I believe he’s only going back to make peace with her because she told me a few years ago that her and him are very close. She never excepted him and I to be married. She was upset with him my whole marriage because he didn’t marry someone in the religion. I believe this has played on his mind as well over the years. He has two other brothers, that also were disfellowshipped however, they are not married, and she treats them ok. Talks to them etc. She treats him very harsh and she don’t treat the other brothers the way she treats him. She has a relationship with them from what I’ve been told. In the last six months, I learned that my husband is a narcissist very self-centered and self absorbed. He shows no empathy. He had the nerve to say he didn’t think watching porn did harm. He often said he didn’t cheat on me. He is delusional! In the end I won, I received my divorce paper. His mom can have him back. She got what she wanted her son so he can take care of her once he is accepted back into the religion.
😂😂😂😂 Hi from Albania. I am Ory an exjw from Albania. I was disfellowship for the same reason,but seeing that I am a little bit crazy i didn't let them to ask me. I said tho the elders do what u have to do because i've work to do...😅😅😅 Thank you for making me laugh in the morning. Have a nice day.
@@nospringchicken2211 we determine what ruins our life. If family and friends only love us if we believe what they believe and they don’t speak to us because we speak against their hypocrisy, do their unloving actions ruin us? If we let it, yes, if we don’t, no. We must always be true to ourself despite the consequences.
@@psychologistrachel1037 True but when you are 18 it takes a toll. And the things in our heads can take a lifetime to heal. I started fading 40 years ago so that I could keep my relationships with my jw side. I also needed financial support. I paid a price for that decision. I still have to be careful what I share. Now I am the one who has to step up and take care of them.
@@psychologistrachel1037 I recently heard the acronym PIMO and thought why would someone do that? Then I realized I did long ago until I was able to take care of myself.
The tone of their voices and the way they are talking to him is making me angry and I was screaming to my TV “WHO THE F*** DO YALL THINK YOU TALKING TO?!!!?” Omg.
I was disfellowshipped under similar circumstances. I could kick myself for not realizing then what empty suits elders are. Now that the scales have fallen off, it’s so clear this has nothing to do with god and everything to do with power over people. Please do another video giving analysis of the rest of the training video.
Happened to me twice when I was 13 and 16 years old, im 40 now and this video is very disturbing to watch as an adult and gives me bad thoughts / memories
A long time ago i knew an elder dude named Tim Elder. I don't think i called him Elderman except maybe on the squash court. I wonder if that dude is still a JW. One day he felt the need to counsel me about how music can make people feel and how it can introduce demons.
Yeah, we stopped music altogether when we were “in”, we stopped just about anything that gave us moments of joy. All we got was that horrible screeching, boring GB music from the congregation singing about how great the organization was. When I was out, my happiness came from music and dancing among other things.
Yea, they’re so superstitious !! Everything has demons attached to it. BTW, there’s a fish loving demon in my pants🤣 and it wants to visit the aquarium 😮‼️🐠
My baptized x husband said he was giving counsel to a work mate, " worldly. person ", regarding problems with her boyfriend and wanted to know what the Bible says. In the court room, before a judge lying about his fornication and adultery. Divorced three months later the woman has his baby! The congregation treated me as the wrong doer, totally for getting that I was a full time regular pioneer...a pillar in the congregation! No one talked to me, no one would sit next to me, treated me like I'd been disfellowshiped. never again!! I'm free from this cult! praise Yahuah!
Yup. Now in reality, those Elders would all be young guys draining many, many more details from him, getting erections under the table, and after they got rid of his crying sobbing self, they’d be all out in the back parking lot with the sheep!
Yea Robbi is a pathetic spineless crying schlub. He definitely led her on and was enjoying the ‘benefits’ until she got pregnant and now he’s playing the victim while throwing her under the bus !! Meanwhile the elders want to hear every salacious n’ juicy detail 🤣
I had lied to the elders (in the 70s), about how many times I had sex with an elder's son; I said we only did it once. (It was more like 25 times). But I didn't want to get disfellowshipped because I was pregnant. I'd be alone. So the elders were mad because I was firm about only having sex once. So the ultimatum they gave me was: 1. Get disfellowshipped, 2. Marry the elder's son. He was 18 and I was older. So I was forced into marriage and the he beat me up several times a week. I left him after 1 1/2 yrs of his abuse. The decisions we make are based on their stupid rule structure and caused us to be afraid to tell the truth.
I have to say, when I was df, the brothers actually cried. They felt horrible. I did too for many years. I tried to go back and was denied for insufficient time. Now, I'm fine with it. I don't hate anyone, they're all sheep. I'm not saying it's not toxic, but hating the congregation isn't helpful. The more I learn about JW though, the sicker the organization makes me. The fact that the man was enticed by a female just perpetuates this toxic mentality. Thanks for the videos!!
Thanks for this and your analysis. I’m almost embarrassed that I was sucked in and stuck in that cult for 40 years, 20 years ago! So glad I’m out. And so glad my mother now 85 years old left it few years ago. Many issues. But the CSA cases was the last straw.
I was a new elder when they showed this at KM school and so many of us were cracking up when they played this.... Now I see how absolutely stupid and cringe this was ... And bad how they cast the innocent girl as a tramp and now apparently she's a single mom now
This is unbelievable. I have never been a JW and to think that I would let a bunch of idiots control my life to that extent makes me laugh. I feel sorry for the people who allow themselves to be controlled in this manner.
The poor guys whimpers are cringe inducing, but the elders acts are appalling and wrath inducing. The Mosaic Law would have had the young man marry the woman he had fathered a child with. It is odd that the elders did not see the potential when learning that this woman was willing to marry the baby's father. This indicated that she would probably have become a witness too if he had asked her. Having a child is a gift from God the Bible tells us, and the Watchtower elders are full of crap stating that this guy had ''saddened Jehovah'', and entertained the thought of breaking away from the mother and the child that he had fathered. To abandon your child is a great sin that really would sadden the Creator, but those elders do not even consider the innocent child in all of this! These elders have no concern for what really ''saddens Jehovah'', for if they did they would have been much harsher towards the ministerial servants and elders who are in their congregations trying to seduce and abuse children!
I can't even post on the internet the sexual questions and the things they forced me to retell after they found out my husband and I were having sex before we got married. You may as well be forced to in detail describe a porno, not even kidding.
Perhaps you should have asked them if they'd like an action replay. The questions and interrogation are likely just as traumatizing as the actual act itself. Sick perverts 😡
I remember having a meeting with the elders. Definitely 3 men there but i cant remember what i did. They couldnt disfellowship me as i was baptised but i left soon after.
I was in "Robbie's" shoes, baby dad unknown; but I was reinstated exactly at 6 months and yes it does indeed take one time to get pregnant! Now this just shows how corrupt some elders can be. Just on Quora a girl said she was dfd- for going to a bar, and another assumed she did something wrong, so the judgement was in full force because he frequently went to bars and nothing happened. (Clearly doublestandard at play) But I stuck for her and reputation, even though we both don't know each other and will never return to that corrupt org! Great video and I think I will share it, if you don't mind; cause I believe that the world needs to see this!😎
I've distanced myself from my mom for several months now and my dad asked why I was mad at my mom. I gave my reasons for staying away and he gave the example of Paul saying not to forsake Jesus. I replied, "so you're comparing mom to Jesus? Mom isn't Jesus and I didn't think Paul had her in mind when he said that." He quickly back tracked and dropped the comparison and they brought up the ol' honor thy father and mother line. 🤦 I just told them I loved them and left.
Changing the goal post will always be a play. Be prepared for that especially if they can't give u a suitable answer. You already know who side they are going to take and I'm not talking about JESUS..... Elders, ministerial and the rest of the congregation hint, hint. They will look down on u for questioning anything or asking a stupid question in their eyes. smh
@@fullcircleessentials I've been dealing with this game all my life. My mom's tactics of crying, rage, name calling and guilt no longer work. She can have her "spiritual family", that's who she's always picked. I'm at the point where I'm just fed up, done with her mistreatment of me. I'm here to live MY life and I really don't care if she's not happy with how I live it. I'm 51 not 5 and she needs to realize that. Thank you for your reply.✌💜
Has anyone who went through a hearing actually told the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Robby needed to get his story straight before going in to confess.
I don’t know if anyone else noticed this but they questioned the two week comment. Do they not know how female anatomy works. You can know that you are pregnant within two weeks. I understand that they have been hanging out for two months but still wow!! I feel bad for there wives.
This brings back terrible memories. I was once so indoctrinated and brainwashed that I thought I had to confess consensual conduct I had with someone to another grown man, and it makes me sick to my stomach. I was already depressed and suicidal, and the elders did not help me, it was just about punishment. Going through the judicial, disfellowshipping, and reinstatement process helped me to wake up.
I agree. And you need to get out when it’s the right time for you to do so, because we need many listeners and support people as Resources for those leaving.
I can't believe I voluntarily "confessed" my private business to the elders. I'm so mad at myself! I really was under the control of those clowns. Being brainwashed is an awful thing.
I was 15 having to explain IN FULL DETAIL my intimate encounter with a boy from my school. It literally traumatized me to my core. I felt so violated of my privacy.
Born into. At 20 friend got me pregnant. went to elders. Asked so many details as I LITERALLY BEGGED forgiveness (reproved) balled eyes out. Felt so dirty. Sat just 20 mins came in dfd me. Overnight went into denial,sadness, depression etc. Whole pregnancy had no one. Had son mnth later went book study Son crying didnt know what to do, as friends I loved just stared walked by. Couple wks later bc of mom & that lost it ended up in p.ward diagnosed severe p. partum. Didnt wanna go on. never reinstated. 3yrs ago Woke & so angry that had I bn reproved I wouldve had everyone & not had breakdwn. Shame on them doing to anyone baby on way. Robs most 9mnths of what should be happiness. Awake & cant believe, My story exact. Thankyou sm for this!
as a former JW, thank you for making all of the videos that you do Wally, to inform folks that don't know, about what I consider to be a cult. what they are about, how whey operate, and all the pain, humiliation and trauma they cause so many, you're appreciated!! 🙌😊
"Bad association." "People who dont love Jehovah." "A manipulative worldly woman." The othering of outsiders runs so deep. They constantly pathologize and almost dehumanize them. And this one is a woman, so it's double trouble. Speaking of her like she was placed there by the devil himself to tempt him. And all of this happened because she tempted him. He could have said "no thank you" at absolutely any time leading up to the first deed. Then he stayed in touch and returned to hook up with her multiple times, but they all speak of her as this manipulative seductress. This is before you even consider how insane it is that this is any of these people's business or should dictate this young man's relationship with his father. No one stops to think how much is being asked of these elders as well, for a role that is unpaid volunteer work. They had to set aside more time on top of leading meetings and prepping for them, their personal study, any visits they do to sick or elderly congregation members, their secular jobs, and their family time to corespond with his old elders, review his story, and meet with him, possibly multiple times. His old elders have to meet as well to discuss his reinstatement. Then they all open their secretive, elders only policy book they are expected to make sure they arent reinstating him too soon (none of this is in the bible). The amount of work demanded of the elders and the amount of control they are to have over the publishers, even with made up rules with no biblical basis is just piled on so much. And they actually get sooo mad when you suggest they are in a cult or high control group instead of a benign religious organization.
I am laughing about the aquarium, too. Dear Brothers and Sisters there needs to be a condom in this story. I feel sorry for the level of ignorance here. Thanks for posting.
Ahhh the old “come see my aquarium” trick 😂😂 works every time
Wonder how often that works. "Want to see my fish?" lol
Do you want to see some guppies?
One look at her bristlenosed pleco and there’s a baby on the way
😂😂😂
"It's a bit fishy smelling, but very wet."
Should have known something was fishy.
As an elder who sat down on many of these meetings and actually went to the training watching these videos I am ashamed of how I accepted all these rules and actually imposed them on my brothers and sisters.
It’s sad how many of us felt it as right. As Wally said, we were all brainwashed.
This is so validating to read from an ex elder.
I always knew judicial committees were not right. A confession should have been good enough.
I was 8 when I was in my first one, it wasn't my case but my best friends.
@@georgeporgy7568 😬8 years old??
When I was DFd and the reinstatement took a year, I did get closer to God. And what it made me realize was that I could be closer to God if Watchtower wasn't a third wheel in-between. So I got reinstated and walked away.
niceeeeeeeee
Literally what’s happening to me lol
Yep, wasn’t long after I was as well that I walked.
Good. Spirituality is between the individual and God. It’s like a good marriage: keep the snoppy relatives out of it. It’s a personal relationship. Good for y’all.
Same. Walked after reinstatement. It was just getting too ridiculous the more I woke up.
i had my elder tell me they were going to make an example out of me i completely stopped going to meetings
I'm sure they weren't playing because that is exactly what they do....HALL OF SHAME
You did the right thing. Run, run away from that cult as fast as you can! It took me 50+ years to realize that I had been duped into this false religion that really is a man made cult!
Did you do something or they just decided to choose a victim
@@teijaflink2226We ALL DO something sometimes. Who among you have not sinned?
erwin6877, So many of these "Spiritual Shepherds" are only immature, egomaniacs who totally get off on their POWER and the enjoyment that they get from causing hurt and trauma to others.
I am so sorry that you were treated that way!! 😢
So Robby just abandons the person he fathered a child with? Moves away before the child is even born, Robby is an ass.
What a kiss up to the new elder body??
Dinotudusca3821, You echoed precisely what I was thinking!!! These elders, who "represent God," are JUDGING Robby, and THREATENING Robby with DESTROYING HIS LIFE because he fell in love with "the wrong person," and fathered a child; they are threatening him with being disfellowshipped and completely SHUNNED if he doesn't DUMP the mother of his child, the woman he loves, and then, behind his back when they KNOW that Robby is in the PIT IF DESPAIR, totally traumatized and conflicted, they sit around discussing whether or not he displayed proper "repentance"!!! And when that one arrogant elder shut down the compassionate elder with, 'Well, not once did Robby mention being sorry for hurting his relationship with Jehovah...," that was SO UNLOVING. So they "HAD to" disfellowship this poor young man. 😢
This is exactly what I was thinking 😢
And the Elders were pressuring him to do it.
@@nospringchicken2211
YES. 0 discussion about his responsibilities.
Clearly there was some attraction between the two, the elders literally could be responsible for breaking up a potential family
The Aquarium was funny. If there had been a condom in the script there would not have been a problem. And yes, the Roman Catholic would have welcomed a new family of three as new members!
This is so wild the questions they ask. Imagine 50+ year old men asking these questions to under 18 year old girl! DISGUSTING.
Imagine? They do that!
Yes they do that....The OLD ones👴🏼👴🏾👴🏻
I hate to break it to you, but they do that even to underage children.
They are perverts run by bigger perverts.
Yup. I think I was 15. So fking crazy. I would never want my loved ones going thru this.
I was disfellowshipped--excuse me, I mean "removed from the congregation"--twenty years ago. When one man who had been my closest friend in the organization asked me to request reinstatement, I told him if he could show me the words "disfellowship" and "judicial committee" anywhere in the Bible, then I would humble myself and ask for reinstatement. I then said to him, "But you won't show me those words because you can't; and you can't because they aren't in the Bible." The fruitage of this arrangement is universally bad, but that is just one of many reasons I will never set foot in any gathering of Witnesses again.
After wasting 53 years in this cult, I left and never looked back! Stay away from this man made false pagan religion.
i educated myself about actual religion (some very close friends of mine were muslim, which sparked interest) it's interesting to me how JW uses actual religion and twists it into their cult. It still is possible to see the roots of it, but the goal seems to be the opposite. Where a muslim friend would have gone above and beyond to take full responsibility for their child, JW would do the opposite. (And before anyone asks, my friends came from different countries, which gave us all a very interesting learning experience)
@tellusorbit I removed myself after covid. I was enduring , putting up with one another, their bullying.
That was the nullification of christ sacrifice. They Basically are saying, christ sacrifice was not enough so we need to kick you out. Truth is truth. And belief is stronger than truth.
Well done for escaping this cult
I been there. It’s embarrassing and humiliating. No one should ever guilty for having sex. It’s fucking stupid.
Unless it is rape, CSA, Abuse, Incest, or you marry your father's or brother's wife (like king Herod who was criticized by John the Baptist, did), or your mother or sister's husband... Also, if the sex leads to aborted babies, then that is also a big sin.
@@truelove11.11 Obviously.
Believe me, there are PLENTY of situations where you should feel guilty for having sex. More than I can count in fact! But the act of having sex by itself is not evil. Its how we were all brought into this life
"JWs don't tear apart families! We build strong spiritual families!"
Literal training video of a bunch of old men telling a guy who really liked a woman to leave her and his new child in a ditch. When he does as he's told and he still gets punished.
Hey man just wanted to say thanks for making these videos. I've been df for about 10 years now and only in the past 5 years have I been able to break out and heal from the horrible brainwashing my entire family put me through my entire life. These kind of videos help a lot 🙏🏻
@steevyos94 It's when the rest of the family are controlled and can't think for themselves. It's not until some are on their last breath and all they can think/preach/ or say "SEE YOU IN THE RESURRECTION".
So glad you’ve begun to heal.
They were mere men judging. The true God will judge them. That’s where the true judging is. Much love.
Welcome to the real fam. 🍻💪🏼🤗
@reneesalvatori1996 no the true judgement comes from ourselves when we go through our life review.
We're our own judges.
I think it is sometimes hard for disfellowshipped people to wake up because there is always this guilt that they committed the sin. In my case, I never committed any judicial offense. I discovered it was a cult and just walked away. It always makes me sad when I meet a disfellowshipped person that says that they are trying to go back
I’m having an unpleasant reaction watching the judicial meeting, and I have never been in one. I can’t even begin to imagine how a JW feels being subjected to this. It makes me sick to think people have had to endure this bs. Evil $hit.
People CHOOSE to endure this humiliation. Also, because of a JW trepidation and hate of the world, notice how the JW never really grows up. They are the typical Peter-pan men, who flit from congregation to congregation but never face responsibility “in the world” and truly believe they don’t have to because it is a “wicked system of things” to be destroyed anyway.
This training video came out the same year I was appointed as an Elder. It was literally the first training video of its kind as The Organization started shifting to film production/education.
We were taught there’s a difference between “Worldly sadness” vs. “Godly sadness”, so we had to discern were the tears based upon an individual getting “caught” or b/c they want to rectify their relationship with Jehovah. Smh
Hence, the interrogation. What I soon found out after my 1st judicial meeting, & I came home crying like a baby b/c I didn’t understand the heartless nature of The Elders I was on the committee with, was that the judicial act is very subjective.
I would venture to say based upon who the person is that confesses/questioned & who the Elders are handling the matter, a decision is pre-determined 70% of the time no matter what the sin is.
I’ve seen Elder’s kids get slaps on the wrist b/c of who the parents are, but then I’ve also seen them get absolutely railroaded, giving The Body an excuse to kick that brother from The Elder Body b/c a couple of brothers didn’t like him.
The sad part of this is none of it, literally none of it is scriptural. Even the justification they try to use from the Bible under the Mosaic Law shows that when someone did come before the judges, the congregation was involved to witness; the JWs do this behind closed doors w/ no one else around.
So glad I left; this video is a kind reminder of why I disassociated as an Elder.
Loved reading what u wrote. By the end I had tears in my eyes also.
3mths now.
I'm a married faded female now about 4yrs .
A witness for 40yrs.
Had my husband not got sick he would have become an elder. Pioneer, Ms when we met. I was auxiliary n initially bc so close to the end, wecwere going to wait till paradise to start a family.
I couldn't wait n 4yrs later I decided I wanted a child.
(Our conviction to wait was based on a older man (not gb but no idea who was sent from amercia to give us his discourse at the racecourse in sydney).
He stated clearly, rem I'm still young in my 20s as is my husband n your told.....time of end.....he literally stated....this is not the time to start having a family.
We both took it seriously (ofcourse both not knowing anything about jws past predictions re the past.
My parents became jws just b4 1975 n were told the end was coming then.
I've heard a no of those stories first hand.
My dad, thank goodness he already owned his own house bc I know an army of jws who rent to this day n even ones who sold up bc of the end n now r renting.
My dad had life ins for us all n cancelled it. I'm just grateful he never sold his house.
We own most of our house now. Butvagain started with a mortgage later in life bc atv1st we hadcthecsame attitude to rent as we didn't need to own a home so close to the end.
I've noticed in Australia the mentality of the bros whether to rent or buy differs greatly state to state eg my last cong in Sydney u were wordly if u bought a house or built.
Participated in weekend sport was a no no in all my 3 congs in Sydney.
In wa it's normal for the bros to own or build n the norm is a 4x2.
We have been in 4 congs here n the 1st one when our son was little (my jw still) husband n his bro now an elder did after school sport training n weekend matches with the boys.
My 1st cong here hadca lot of trouble with the teens n some were elders sons (same with my childhood cong)
100% as u said, one rule for elders kids n one rule for the rest.
I know I haven't addressed the content here much but I just wanted to say how much I appreciate hearing people of position, maybevlike ubwho truly started out wanting to be a sheperd but saw the opposite.
The ones putting out these videos (trained by wt) do such a marvellous job. I adore Wally's, never boring n have never heard what he went through.
My pimo friend nearly committed suicide after his 1st one. It took a lot out of me mentally n physically being a support person when the phone would ring with a sobbing good friend.
Eventually I suggested a family therapist n changevtobanother one if u dont feel comfortable.
Thankfully he found a beautiful older family woman who had had exp with jws.
He later said, ofcourse he thanked me. But he said this lady saved his life.
I asked him what's the main difference. What did she do to help u that the elders didn't do.
He answered, she listened to Mr.
All the elders wanted to do was show me scriptures in the Bible.
It still took us both many more yrs to wake up.
As u can see I'm a good talker, a-z, not just a,but,, c.
But a child is involved here n this training video has in a nice word, cheesed me off.
So believe it not, I'm not finished.
I'm going to now comment in Wally's comments.
@@delphinawhiles6235 Thank u 4 sharing ur story. What’s sad is everything u just wrote is not uncommon or unheard of no matter what part of the world we’re in if u belong/belonged to this sectarian form of Christianity.
That brother giving u advice on not having children, it’s literally littered throughout many of JWs publications from the ‘30’s - 80’s. Ray Franz even commented on this in his book “Crisis of Conscience”, as to why he didn’t start a family.
I want to say maybe 4 months b4 I officially disassociated, I had a nice, yet disheartening convo w/ an elderly sister in my congregation. She provided me w/ a financial gift b/c she thought I was depressed (at this time we’re on Zoom, & I’m actively not commenting anymore or truly engaging w/ the friends b/c my conscience was killing me finding out EVERYTHING about the religion via its own publications I had access to not found on JW.org)
So of course I called to thank her, but also wanted to give the $$ back b/c I wasn’t in need; so I just encouraged her to donate it or use it for herself. We began talking, & she tells me she got baptized in ‘74 b/c the ladies studying w/ her told her the world was ending in ‘75, and this was a work that Jesus assigned them to do, a life saving work.
She admitted she wasn’t a Bible reader, and she was looking for something good b/c of family problems. She gets baptized, fully committed to preaching, so she quits her job. Then ‘75 hit, & of course nothing.
Now, thank goodness she met a man who was a skilled laborer in The Union. They get married, buy a house (she still lives in ‘til this day), but she convinces him that any moment the world was coming to an end, so they, too, never had kids b/c, per The Society’s admonition, the time left is short, the world was getting worst, and now wasn’t the time to focus on career, getting married, eating, drinking, having kids, taking no note of the time they’re living in like those in Noah’s day (her exact words).
Then she gives a soft chuckle, & says “my brother, that’s why u saw us w/ adopted children when we met b/c I was too old by then, but I still wanted kids so we became a foster parents.”
My ? to her was, what kept her going? (But in mind I was like WHY DIDN’T U LEAVE, but then I would’ve exposed myself.) She said the people. She said she stayed b/c the people & the sister who studied w/ her (died in 2003) claimed to be apart of the anointed told her even Jesus Disciples made mistakes, but just remember Jehovah is using The Society and The Light gets brighter.
Again, tears were in my eyes b/c
1. She lost her youth
2. I couldn’t share w/ her that Jesus Disciples asked ?’s, they did not teach incorrect things & claim they came from Jehovah
3. She became numb to it all, so her attachment wasn’t The Bible, wasn’t what was being taught, it was people.
4. None of her foster children accepted the religion, her husband died, & none in the congregation were inviting her to gatherings (except the annual congregation picnic we used to have), so her association came strictly from the meetings, meaning she was alone.
As someone who felt sick to my stomach that I wasted 40 yrs of my life believing a lie, I take a step back & be like, there’s many who wasted their entire life in this religion b4 finding out it was lie; while others still are, grasping on to a hope that’s not found in the Bible.
U can’t & will never find the phrase “paradise earth” from Genesis - Revelation, yet it’s uttered repeatedly during meetings, publications, assemblies, & conventions; & b/c the religion does all the research for its members, while convincing them it’s impossible to understand the scriptures w/o their publications, the few times the word paradise does appear (3x throughout the entire Bible) or the phrase “inherit the earth”, these sheep are not allowed to see the full context/meaning/historicity of those passages. They r still banking on something that JWs preach, but not the early Christians.
B/c I still love all the ones who turned their backs on me (no fault of their own, of course; they believe they r doing the right thing based upon indoctrination), it hurts to know how misguided they r.
After serving in every elder position and hundreds of committee meetings (actually probably several hundred) I realized that disfellowshipping an individual depended on how much he rubbed shoulders with the elders. Elders and their kids were almost never disfellowshipped because it wasn’t so much the sin, but a popularity contest! After 53 years in this cult I finally washed my hands of this false religion!
@@SuperDave-vj9en Bingo, my brother. Exactly right.
Even the reinstatement was subjective. If they liked someone, but let’s say there was no choice but to DF b/c of the “notoriety” of the sin, they’ll sit out for 6-8 months b4 getting reinstated, & their privileges are restored every 3 months.
However, if they don’t care too much for u, it could be 18 mos + before a person gets reinstated, then they want to set them up w/ a Bible study out of “God’s Love” book (at that time) to restore their love for Jehovah & his law, then they want to meet not just w/ the individual, but also the person assigned to study w/ them to gage their progress. Smh.
The irony of it all is that, until recently (like 2015-16), The Organization raised hell for sins like fornication & adultery, wanting to know all the grimy details that have nothing to do w/ a person “needing spiritual assistance”, but when it came to CSA allegations, it was 2-witness rule heavy, many of the times swept under the rug b/c of “he say she say.” Hell, at one point it took a sister (I was a new elder to this congregation) to inform me how offended she was to see a brother convicted of CSA give Bible readings & comment.
I asked the brothers what was going on, & their reply was “well that happened 15 yrs ago & he served time.” Called The Branch, and at first they were apprehensive until we talked about stumbling others & then we received “clarified”directions on how to handle him. The only changes were:
1. He couldn’t give talks or be appointed, but could comment and help w/ local KH assignments
2. He couldn’t have a key any longer
3. Couldn’t be in field service with a minor & had to go out w/ an elder so HE CAN BE PROTECTED IN CASE THE NEIGHBORS RECOGNIZED HIM ON THE REGISTRY.
However, there was no instructions about informing parents or guardians of minors. That changed around like ‘17-18, & the implicit instructions were for each family head to:
1. Keep the matter confidential, not speaking to other parents or members of the congregation about it to preserve the brother’s dignity &
2. Sign a form stating they’ve been informed of the matter.
I began ?ing why were we so gun-ho on judicial matters w/ fornication & adultery, why were we so inconsistent on said matters, but seemingly lenient on a much bigger problem, even calling that problem a sin vs. crime?
2021, got my answers & it was a never ending discovery of everything.
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You hit the nail on the head exactly! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with myself and others. My congratulations to you for escaping from this crazy cult that has destroyed so many lives. It has screwed up the minds of many, many, people who will take years to fully recover their mental capacity after being contaminated with false beliefs. Again, I thank you as a real brother who made the decision to flee to real freedom!
Oh boy, big ahh ha moment for me, the moment i realized the elders have no authority over me, it was so annoying, i was immediately like, why did you think they ever did?
And yes, I corroborate with Wally's descriptions of judicial communities.
I was 18, went into a room with 3 grown men, and was interrogated. I had to tell them, not just once, but several times, in explicit detail, what me and a boy did.
It was beyond humiliating.
The real kicker was when my grandparents came down, my dad made me announce to the entire table at dinner what I had done and how ashamed I should be. Fun times...
I absolutely agree with your thoughts on judicial committees 100%. Been there and it was so degrading!!! It truly is despicable!!!
They make it that way to make you feel bad especially if u do any thing wrong.....As if you're in the 18th century.
This video made me think about how much suffering I have caused to the people I have judged in my various judicial committees that I have participated in as a congregation elder. Often it ended with me deciding to disfellowship her and her shedding tears. I will never regret enough the harm I have caused to many of them. Greetings from Milan (Italy)
Its ok! We are all imperfect and have all made mistakes in our own way. I was completely judgmental and hypocritical and projected everything that I was myself onto “worldly” people. I’ve been humbled and I’ve learned my lesson. Eyes are open! Greetings from the US!
You were brainwashed just like the rest of us. Don’t be too hard on yourself.
One of the greatest regrets of my life is being honest with these men and confessing my “sins”.
It shocks me how controlling they are, invasive, judgemental, and how they make him abandon the pregnant woman! If she feels forced to abort? Maybe she’s terrified and her situation forces dire decisions…Which I think the elders are responsible for him deciding to abandon her, and the aftermath of that…Shocking that they encourage that.
Yeah. They’re SO pro-life! (Said sarcastically)😢
The elders are morally repugnant. They are trained to not give a sh*t about the ‘worldly’ person or the boy’s responsibility towards her and the baby. Absolutely DISGUSTING
It infuriates me that George the elder says “Robbie isn’t wicked. I think he just weakly gave into the advances of a manipulative worldly woman!” They have no respect for any woman.
Gave me a freakin’ panic attack just watching this. 25 years later I still have nightmares now and then about the judicial committee where I was DFed.
Right?
I feel nothing but disgust and contempt for these "so called " elders. Most if not all of them were uneducated, boorish idiots. Most were alcoholics with disfunctional families and yet, had the nerve to stand in judgement of you, and the only reason they were there, was because someone gave them a title to make them feel important even though some of them could not even hold down a job. I left long ago and never looked back. I had a very successful military career, have my own wonderful family, obtained a college degree, and have since retired to enjoy the fruits of my labor. I can not encourage anyone enough to leave while you can still make a life for yourself. Live in the light, and loose the fear. These people have no hold over you.
@4:35 Instructions Unclear. Tried this too. The random Witty Worldly Girl, as it turned out, was a lesbian marine biologist. No baby on the way. We are now planning a group trip to a snorkeling marine sanctuary in Cozumel, and I've redirected my dedicated funds to saving the turtles. Please send Spiritual Help.
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Miss your videos, but I hope things are going well for you :)
Wait. So he just abandoned a woman he got pregnant and can apply for re-instatement?! Also, how would he ever be free to marry? How is the woman not the one who was wronged- she didn't know the rules. She even wanted to get married to "make things right".
Way to ruin EVERYONE'S life.
Hi darth. Hope you are well.
@@MoureeneTaylor because women are all floozies. She's already fooling around. The elders understand 😢.
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Darth, hey buddy; do you have any more videos coming our way? I really miss seeing them!
It shows the elders want to hear every dirty secret and unless you’re in that committee you don’t understand how terrible it is.
If he was Mormon, it would be somewhat similar with his bishop, except he would be told to marry the girl.
No question about how he has supported the woman who is pregnant? How he is responsibly handling that situation? So gross.
So this girl is pregnant, and he is (or probably is) the father. The legal ramifications of procreation can be quite overwhelming. The comments of the elders are so stupid.
The Aquarium was funny but a condom in the story would have solved the whole need for a judicial meeting....and then he abandons here the Roman Catholics or Baptists would have welcomed new family of three as members.
The first time the elders realized that I didn't give a damn about being a jw was when I was 15, a group of teenagers from the congregation went to try a cigarette, we were 5 idiots, one cigarette for the 5 of us, and a group from another congregation saw us, of course the next day they went and told on us. One by one, we got interrogated by the gestapo I mean the elders and they left me for last, the other idiots caved in and confessed but I wasn't going to give them that satisfaction so I denied the whole thing, I remember how hostile they got, I wasn't even baptized but they kept drilling me until I snapped, told them they were not my dad so that I had to confess someone and left, of course they told my dad what I said but my point was that I was intimidated by older men when I was just 15 without my dad in the room, I hate them.
And that’s the main thing besides all the other shit show. No adult to support the accused. Where is their standard “two person rule” here?
@reneesalvatori1996 I didn't know about the two witness rule back then, I remember that at one point, I asked them: "Why do you believe them and not me? What if I tell you I saw them smoking and drinking?". And of course, they kept saying that they saw me and I needed to confess, but it got to yelling at one point. When I say they got hostile, I really mean hostile. That's one of the things I'm proud of. At a young age, I stood my ground and showed them I was never going to be part of their cult.
@@davidcd1401 you were wise beyond your age. How would you know about the two witness rule. My sister is still in it at 57 years and never knew about the rule until I told her last year. Those inside the organization have absolutely no clue. They are not allowed.
Elders are creepy.
In my judicial they wanted to know all of the intimate details of my fornication confession. So inappropriate. I knew these guys from birth pretty much too. So glad I left and never returned!
Thanks for all you do wally!
Geez, that video was horrific. Just hearing that man (even though he was acting) plead for mercy and get rejected was brutal.
I feel sorry for any person who has been through that absurdity.
I come back to these type of videos just to remember what my life used to look like. I was 18 years old when I left and I don’t regret looking back. They stole my childhood and any opportunity I could have had that would have benefited my life. They mistreated and publicly humiliated me as a 16 year old. There is no justice other wise the punishment would have been the same for the other kids involved during my committee. This cult is a fucking joke. I’m 23 now and I couldn’t have been any happier.
Glad you got. You were a very wise young person.
Its great you got out young. I went through this at 25 and I was the one pregnant. they asked me how many times I came and if I came, and if he did or if we did it the same time it was disgusting. I found out years later one of the elders during my committee was having an affair on his own wife and they switched congregations a month later to brush it under the rug that’s why he was asking me all the questions fantasizing in his head they’re disgusting I left and I’ll never look back.
I'm so sorry , same here as a minor girl they asked some inappropriate details without any parents around.
@@theresayoungazrealtor7742 oh my gosh. That is the absolute most disgusting thing. True perverts every step of the way. 🤮😡
The thing that really rubs me the wrong way is woman blaming. Like without him, without his partification nothing would have happened. Why she seduced him, why she is in all at fault?
Because small, insecure men do not take responsibility for anything they do. If he watches adult videos, it’s “Satan tempted me”. If he gets a girl pregnant, it’s “she’s a jezebel who seduced me”. This is what thrives in a patriarchal system like JW
One simple word, misogyny. If this was a judicial meeting with a woman it wouldn’t be the worldly guys fault. It will still be the woman’s fault.
Totally like he had no part, what if it was he who reduced her or both just wanted to be together. It's a way to manipulate outsiders are evil and scary and specially women.
Yikes... Never been disellowshipped but their manipulative prying, complete lack of empathy, and entitlement to his personal life still triggered memories of being scolded by my parents ....
They used to basically do this under our own roof over the most trivial things.
There was this dude my age at my congregation before I went pomo that got disfellowshipped. He used to float in and out of the meetings with the most pitiful look on his face while everyone else that he was "friends" with neglected him. I spoke to him a few times but he understandably was never in the mood to talk. Poor kid 😯
The JWs are prevented from talking to him and he himself is warned not to talk to any other JW or they will get in trouble too. There’s no other way to LOOK but sad and defeated. I went through that too. I couldn’t do it. I ran away.
Not only were we literally scared of dying but we had our parents, the people we loved and trusted and looked up to the most, along with everyone else we had ever known telling us that this was all true and they believe it and they helped to brainwash us and held impossible expectations for us. That is so hard to walk away from.. your entire existence.
It makes me so angry to be honest. It's angers me that I was deceived and brainwashed as a child by this cult. It makes me angry that my parents didn't have the critical thinking skills to realize it was a cult before I was born. It angers me that they were tricked into indoctrinating me for my entire childhood. All because some narcissist named Rutherford staged a coup and took over some insignificant group of Bible students and molded the organization in his own narcisstic image. I used to think my parents were intelligent. Now I have to face the fact that they were incredibly gullible and easily misled.
I refused to get baptized, and growing up I never felt the whole “talk to the eldrers” threat because I was a girl whose mother is a witness but she became one after her and my dad married. So dad isn’t in. And I was best friends with a granddaughter and a daughter of the elders growing up. But I know exactly how big, scary and insanely serious those “TALKS” were. And the granddaughter and I are still besties 30 years later but dude, this video made me feel sick to my stomach listening to the elders speaking in this situation. I so know how they speak at people and this is the most triggering thing I’ve heard in a long time. I know they think they mean well too…but omfg 🤯 Keep doing what you do Wally! You show the deep and twisted side of that life SO accurately and fairly. Beautiful work and just keep doing what you do!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼❤️😎
The temperature of different congregations being brought up was shocking. Having gone to 5 different congregations, the people are definitely a reflection of the elders. A true reflection are their kids. I remember one overseer's son showed me a razor he had hidden in the sole of his shoe. Something I forgot about until just now. He said he had it there if someone tried to hurt him he could kill them. In hindsight, I bet he was being molested or knew there were molesters in the congregation.
Apparently, we had a reputation for being kingdom hall hoppers, according to the elders at my last congregation. Which was why they didn't let my parents get baptized for 14 years. Just because we kept moving to where we could afford, which wasn't always in the same territory.
YES! I had a cousin who also hid an “open safety pin” in case she was ever molested again, she thought of it as a weapon. Poor children. No Rights. No choices. No one to talk to or believe them. They think of how to save themselves all by themselves.
I need to watch some kitten playing now, this was traumatizing, eventhough I never was subjected to a "judicial comitee". They wouldn't even try, eventhough I've faded for two years now. We don't have the "see you in court" culture, here in Europe, but I would dragg their asses in court in a blink of an eye!😂😂
Kitten videos are the best!!
@@jackijax505oh but rabbits 🐇 eating blueberries 🫐 are so much better!
I hate the probing done by the elders
I am so pissed off about their hypocritical b.s of those bunch of perverts
OMG Wally this video is PERFECT to show my girlfriend what I went through as a young man. 36:00 is especially helpful! THANK YOU! Keep up the fantastic work!
I wouldn't ever go back! I would tell them to kiss where the sun don't shine😂😂😂
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26:12 indeed one of the most horrible experiences in my life. My only talk with them was investigative with 2 elders and any follow-up was blocked by my (I assume still PIMI (don’t dare asking)) mom. That talk and the emotions that were triggered, definitely left their scars. Eventhough I’ve worked through the experience via IEMT, I still have residual feelings while watching this. Not necessarily the old feelings though, but mostly anger about how they make something completely normal and human between 2 consensual adults, a horrible thing that impacts the sex / romantic life afterwards.
I was 17 at my first judicial meeting, and they made me tell them every detail.. asking really personal questions like did he orgasm? Did you orgasm? Did you have oral? Who did oral on who? Where were you? What exact dates did each sexual encounter happen? And so on.. after doing some major shadow work and healing, I realized that was the point in my life when my deep depression and shame started, the first time I ever felt completely and udderly broken. For the record we only had one sexual encounter ever, and I didn't even have actual intercourse. We were engaged to be married and had been dating secretly for years. His dad was an elder and my dad a servant, so they felt they had to make an example out of us and we were both disfellowshipped. I was treated like a stranger in my own home, cut off from my own family and little sisters... and I did end up marrying the dude when I turned 18. Long story short that was one of the worst decisions I ever made. He was an abusive alcoholic with a porn addiction who refused to sleep with me most of our marriage. He was literally worse than any "wordly" guy I have ever dated.
JWs just breed these types of men by the fistful. It's a testament to how dysfunctional the entire organization is. Especially, since he learned these behaviors growing up with an elder for a father. I wonder if he rejected intimacy because of how Watchtower denounces sex and obsesses over it.
Wow, so sorry to hear that😢 Just goes to show you how utterly RIDICULOUS all this is. I hope you’ve been able to move on and are doing well now. 🙏🏽
They asked me the dates too!
Porn isn't just videos, there are lots of pr0n books out there, just words, no pictures. What the elders are asking for from congregants is a pr0n story. Asking for such stories from minors is highly illegal, and asking it from people they have religious control over is extremely immoral.
The fact that the elders decide the punishment on their own is insane! How strict it will be not only depends on personal views of the elders in your congregation but also on cultural norms. I know a guy that literally tried to STRANGLE his mom TO DEATH in her sleep that didn’t face major consequences…but on the other hand an acquaintance from South Korea was disfellowshipped for “flirting” too much with women.
WOW!!! 😮
Just goes to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that their claims of being guided by Holy Spirit is a MYTH & a LIE.
Details of sexual activity always have weirded me out about these interviews. I just saw it around me when I was in it as a kid. I’m so glad I left at 17 back in 87
Here in Brazil, when someone invites you to see the aquarium, it means something else. 😂😂😂😂😂
What does it mean?
Hey Wally. This is infuriating , hilarious ,and hypocritical all in one . They're not there to help. They want two witnesses to prove a child molester is guilty,but the fornicater is guilty from the start & must be punished for the act. Essentially, they are judge, jury & executioner.
That’s an excellent point. So true. A child is molested but there is no reporting to police, no investigation of there’s nothing two witnesses, and pedophiles are protected and run around holding microphones and grinning. It is sick and twisted and cringey and should be shut down. Well, soon it will be, as Zoom will be the new tech used. KHs being sold. Hopefully, this in itself will be a way to protect the children. I don’t know. It’s an evil religion. Pyramid scheme.
As soon as the elder started talking I wanted to claw my eyes out! Their voices and cadence is so triggering!!
They all seem to have the same “speaking to a child” tone. 🤮
It's the jw NPR voice
This is so upsetting, they make you feel like crap in order to control you, that's the whole basis of this religion
i think it is so fucked up that they say he should leave this girl and (probably) his unborn baby. they should tell him to stand to his responsibilities instead of abandoning her now if they really cared about being good people. this makes me so mad.
I've told this story before. My jw girlfriend's bra got let in her driveway once. We fooled around a lot, we were 19. One day I'm out in her front yard with her, her mom was there too, and the big elder from the congregation was driving by so i waved. The next meeting he pulled me aside and read me the scripture where Paul says didn't touch a woman and made me give him a resolve. I told my dad who was pissed. I never got her pregnant, our first night after the wedding was awful. I've long since told her how sorry i was but i guess she's doing great now, freaking 34 years later.
Do what’s best for the congregation? No consideration for the young woman carrying his child? Just dump her and label her as manipulative. He was just a victim, weak.
There’s some stuff missing in this story that makes this confusing. Was it her wedding with another dude or with you?
@@FeiWeltall-z2i with me, she was extremely hot, her dad was an ice machine non JW, we got married and the wedding night was a disaster after a lot of fooling around before. Eventually I got some porn and figured out how to please her but it got used against me. Very weird. She left me for 5 months at the elders bequest, came back after 5 months but after I got df'd we stayed together but it became untenable. After about a year apart after that I asked to see her again and we spent a night together but I felt it was wrong and broke her heart again. I still carry this guilt and tried to inform her a few years ago but she didn't want to hear it except for a few jokes. The JW experience is really weird.
So is OP still married
Wait, are you saying you didn't have sex with your own wife after you married her because an elder made you promise to never have sex using Paul as an example? Paul never married. It's not even a comparison. Why would he not want you to have relations after you married her? Was he trying to sabotage your life out of spite? And why on earth would you listen after your father expressed anger at the elder for telling you that. Did you never have children because of that?
I noticed the words “ it seems” a lot in the training video, so that lets you know, how you’re judged without the elders truly knowing the whole story, and change lives
Stripped of humanity, autonomy, dignity and natural masculinity!!
The repercussions in a man's later psychological, sexual & emotional life must be massive & awful... 😢😢😢
TRIGGERED…3 minutes in. That might be a new record.
Emotional damage, emotional damage! I can’t believe the org actually documented on video exactly how probing, controlling, and cruel this process is. Although, the elders’ sexual inquiries are often way more personal and graphic than shown here!
Right. I thought the elders books were weird but this is a whole new level.
What is worse is that the reinstatement process is up to the discretion of the elders. I fought for it for 2 years, and it became clear that my sin (30 seconds of gay touching) was far too much for these specific brothers to ever truly forgive me for. Not god, men.
Yet the Elders can do what they want with little ones. They’re sick f’ks!
Never shoulda told.
@@christinesotelo7655 I didn’t, the other guy did lol. He got overwhelmed with guilt and told the elders.
@@derekmaverick5986 these sick elders make people feel obliged to discuss every natural thing! I am sorry you had to go through that. I attempted to celebrate Xmas “on the sly”. I stashed a tree in a far dark corner and believe me, I did NOT worship it. I merely missed Xmas. My HUSBAND turned me in! Two Elders showed up and said: “Put that thing outside!” I said “No. it’s a potted plant and I LIKE IT!” I was ds’fd that weekend. I’m so happy to be free and I’d never go back. The day they put a xmas tree in a KH and realize people REALLY don’t care if it’s pagan and REALLY don’t care to bow to it; the day they stop shunning; the day a person can save his or her life with blood; the day a pedophile stops grinning and leaping like a fool in a KH doing microphone duties, the day I may believe Jesus is God if I choose to without having to be forced to believe He’s Michael the Archangel, the day the nine GB New York men are ds’fd and shunned and imprisoned, I MAY visit a KH to hug my dying brother and say “I love you!” for the last time.
Maybe I am reading too much into this but, the micro aggression of the white dude with glasses, cutting off the black guy and telling him to let him answer the question but then continue to ask questions of his own kinda pissed me off.
Ha - SAME!! I think he's supposed to be playing the part of the COBE (Coordinator of Body of Elders), so he's like the lead pit bull. It still pissed me off too tho. This is how they behave exactly tho. It's not exaggerated. They're like a pack of rabid wolves.
I caught that too
My Judicial was easy peazy lemon squeezey over Zoom and announced over Zoom. Perfectly executed freedom came at great cost. I’m happy
Wnat sticks in my crawl space is that LUCY is being labeled as the aggressor .. WHY is the FEMALE always blamed?
I am so glad we left this insanity 💣
We know how the society truly feels about women. Nothing new here.
Classic JW behavior. Isn’t Babylon the great depicted as a hot ass chick riding a many-headed lion?
We’ve come a long way, Baby says a woman dragging on a cigarette. Shitt. That’s nothing but a woman killing herself on tobacco. That’s all. We’ve got such a long way to go. Being a woman definitely does not mean being a JW and being submissive to men. Being a woman does not mean puffing on a cigarette to look cool to men. Being a woman, I’m fact, has nothing to DO with men. It has to do with a woman’s ability to take care of herself and to say, “No” to anybody who she feels in her heart is a “red flag”. Elders and JW men, in my opinion, are big red flags. That’s as big as they get. 😢😮😂
Misogyny
A 19 year old man in my old congregation was caught having sex with his thirteen year old sister. He admitted it had been happening for several years. This POS cried to the elders that she “asked” him and he couldn’t control himself. He was df’d, but SHE was publicly reproved. After that everyone would whisper behind only HER back insulting her and calling her nasty and a sl8t.
As a JW I would hear at the assemblies during the reenactment type segments saying you have to go confess your sins to the elders, which to me sounded a lot like the confessionals within the Catholic Church, but WT condemned that. My Spidey senses went off and I looked up in the insight book about repentance and nowhere was there a scripture saying that you had to confess to men. The book didn’t even say to go to the elders because it couldn’t. The scriptures say in order for repentance go to God and ask for forgiveness. So if men can’t forgive then why would WT say go to the elders? Especially when it’s none of their business . so right there I knew there was something wrong and it wasn’t long after that that I woke up and woke my husband up. We’ve been out since 2019 and are so happy to be away from those judgmental and busybody so called “brotherhood” I’ve never experienced fake friendships and hypocrisy as I did in that group. They never did anything for someone without letting others know about it.
I think it’s a July 2017 WT article that talks about how the GB are not inspired afterall, and Jesus wasn’t clear really about who EXACTLY the “Faithful and Discreet Slave” was, Jesus wasn’t giving them PERFECT food at the right time...the article so badly written because from about that time forward the GB have been trying to squiggle out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves. Can you imagine blaming JESUS?!? So this is why they think they’re not responsible for deaths, or suicides, or family separations or abuses or CSAs or anything else and therefore feel no need to apologize or compensate families. My question would also be: what’s this “anointing” they and the rest of the 144,000 feel that they are? How? Why? What IS it? Etc etc etc. LOTS of investigating to do! 😮
@christinesotelo7655 I personally think being anointed is for people with clear mental disorders or narcissists/sociopaths who realize it will help them claw their way to the top of the organization. They said about as much themselves when referencing the ones with mental disorders. Of course, they'll never admit to the other part. That would be outing the leadership themselves.
100% fake friendships. So weird to imagine they think that's real friendships.
I’m a conservative and fundamental Christian, the plight of the Jehovah’s Witnesses hurts my heart.
Disfellowshipping, biblically, has no relation to the JW practice of things.
I hate how much damage this organization does to people who truly only want to know and love the God who created them.
Hello… I came across your channel and I am glad I did. My husband was a Jehovah witness and I was not a witness. He later got disfellowshipped because he was dating me. This was 25 years ago. Sine then we got married, and I have been married to him close to 22 years. I decided to recently divorced him because I’ve learned he’s had a porn issue for 42 years. My whole relationship with him of 25 years. In the past two months, he decided to go back in the religion. I just received my divorce papers this week. He had recently told me that he had never gotten over being disfellowshipped. That’s the first time I’ve heard that in all my years with him. I felt in the end he blamed me for getting disfellowshipped. He has since gone back into the religion because his mother has been buzzing in his ear the whole marriage asking him when is he going to return to the hall making him feel bad all these years. He told her years ago he would return and she basically held him to that. I realized his mom was jealous of our relationship as well. She also told him about 15 years ago she was considering talking to the elders about stopping him from coming to her funeral. I asked him why is that and he told me it’s because he didn’t return to the hall. I believe he’s only going back to make peace with her because she told me a few years ago that her and him are very close. She never excepted him and I to be married. She was upset with him my whole marriage because he didn’t marry someone in the religion. I believe this has played on his mind as well over the years. He has two other brothers, that also were disfellowshipped however, they are not married, and she treats them ok. Talks to them etc. She treats him very harsh and she don’t treat the other brothers the way she treats him. She has a relationship with them from what I’ve been told. In the last six months, I learned that my husband is a narcissist very self-centered and self absorbed. He shows no empathy. He had the nerve to say he didn’t think watching porn did harm. He often said he didn’t cheat on me. He is delusional! In the end I won, I received my divorce paper. His mom can have him back. She got what she wanted her son so he can take care of her once he is accepted back into the religion.
😳🤯😮Thank you for sharing! Your narrative is genius and spot on! ❤❤❤
"The Friends" is such a creepy thing. I don't remember hearing it that much growing up.
Sounds like pale aliens in a classroom where they can make the teacher do strange things
Friends with benefits 😃👍💥
When you think pillow gate was bad, see this and it's a whole different and dark look into what really happens to many JW's
😂😂😂😂
Hi from Albania.
I am Ory an exjw from Albania.
I was disfellowship for the same reason,but seeing that I am a little bit crazy i didn't let them to ask me.
I said tho the elders do what u have to do because i've work to do...😅😅😅
Thank you for making me laugh in the morning. Have a nice day.
They have no power. Mere men, no different from any other person they speak to, yet judging another 🙄
Their power is not by god but they do have the power to ruin your life at least for a while.
@@nospringchicken2211 we determine what ruins our life. If family and friends only love us if we believe what they believe and they don’t speak to us because we speak against their hypocrisy, do their unloving actions ruin us? If we let it, yes, if we don’t, no. We must always be true to ourself despite the consequences.
@@psychologistrachel1037 True but when you are 18 it takes a toll. And the things in our heads can take a lifetime to heal. I started fading 40 years ago so that I could keep my relationships with my jw side. I also needed financial support. I paid a price for that decision. I still have to be careful what I share. Now I am the one who has to step up and take care of them.
@@nospringchicken2211 Nothing is easy. We all make our choices.
@@psychologistrachel1037 I recently heard the acronym PIMO and thought why would someone do that? Then I realized I did long ago until I was able to take care of myself.
The tone of their voices and the way they are talking to him is making me angry and I was screaming to my TV “WHO THE F*** DO YALL THINK YOU TALKING TO?!!!?” Omg.
I was disfellowshipped under similar circumstances. I could kick myself for not realizing then what empty suits elders are. Now that the scales have fallen off, it’s so clear this has nothing to do with god and everything to do with power over people. Please do another video giving analysis of the rest of the training video.
Yep! Congratulations to waking up !
Happened to me twice when I was 13 and 16 years old, im 40 now and this video is very disturbing to watch as an adult and gives me bad thoughts / memories
I smile every time I hear, “boy howdy!”
eww
A long time ago i knew an elder dude named Tim Elder. I don't think i called him Elderman except maybe on the squash court. I wonder if that dude is still a JW. One day he felt the need to counsel me about how music can make people feel and how it can introduce demons.
my brain after reading this
"hi sue, I'm Demon, that's some nice music you are having there."
Yeah, we stopped music altogether when we were “in”, we stopped just about anything that gave us moments of joy. All we got was that horrible screeching, boring GB music from the congregation singing about how great the organization was. When I was out, my happiness came from music and dancing among other things.
In fact, my kids and I went wild on Xmas music, and StarWars and Disco!!!!
Even real Praise of God music and Gospel music, music from around the world, Classical music-everything wonderful! Even the Chipmunks! 😂
Yea, they’re so superstitious !! Everything has demons attached to it. BTW, there’s a fish loving demon in my pants🤣 and it wants to visit the aquarium 😮‼️🐠
My baptized x husband said he was giving counsel to a work mate, " worldly. person ", regarding problems with her boyfriend and wanted to know what the Bible says. In the court room, before a judge lying about his fornication and adultery. Divorced three months later the woman has his baby! The congregation treated me as the wrong doer, totally for getting that I was a full time regular pioneer...a pillar in the congregation! No one talked to me, no one would sit next to me, treated me like I'd been disfellowshiped. never again!! I'm free from this cult! praise Yahuah!
Damn you telling me this guy was getting the 🐱 two to three times a week and he’s in a room with three old guys crying about it? Geiiiiiih 😂
Yup. Now in reality, those Elders would all be young guys draining many, many more details from him, getting erections under the table, and after they got rid of his crying sobbing self, they’d be all out in the back parking lot with the sheep!
They way the guy in the beginning is blaming the woman for “seducing” him like she’s a witch who used her powers to get him to sleep with her 😭😂
The "slut shaming" attitude throughout all the mtg is just so gross
Not her magic powers, her aquarium 😂
Yea Robbi is a pathetic spineless crying schlub. He definitely led her on and was enjoying the ‘benefits’ until she got pregnant and now he’s playing the victim while throwing her under the bus !!
Meanwhile the elders want to hear every salacious n’ juicy detail 🤣
I had lied to the elders (in the 70s), about how many times I had sex with an elder's son; I said we only did it once. (It was more like 25 times). But I didn't want to get disfellowshipped because I was pregnant. I'd be alone. So the elders were mad because I was firm about only having sex once. So the ultimatum they gave me was: 1. Get disfellowshipped, 2. Marry the elder's son. He was 18 and I was older. So I was forced into marriage and the he beat me up several times a week. I left him after 1 1/2 yrs of his abuse.
The decisions we make are based on their stupid rule structure and caused us to be afraid to tell the truth.
I have to say, when I was df, the brothers actually cried. They felt horrible. I did too for many years. I tried to go back and was denied for insufficient time. Now, I'm fine with it. I don't hate anyone, they're all sheep. I'm not saying it's not toxic, but hating the congregation isn't helpful. The more I learn about JW though, the sicker the organization makes me. The fact that the man was enticed by a female just perpetuates this toxic mentality. Thanks for the videos!!
Yes most are brainwashed, while some are just sick perverts. It’s a very sick and manipulated culture.
same. Im over it.
"Come see my aquarium".
She was the "SHARK" in the pool.
He was the jellyfish at the bottom.
He was a VERY willing participant but he’s throwing HER under the bus 🤣🤣🤣
@@christinesotelo7655: Ha Ha 🤣👍
Thanks for this and your analysis. I’m almost embarrassed that I was sucked in and stuck in that cult for 40 years, 20 years ago! So glad I’m out. And so glad my mother now 85 years old left it few years ago. Many issues. But the CSA cases was the last straw.
I was a new elder when they showed this at KM school and so many of us were cracking up when they played this.... Now I see how absolutely stupid and cringe this was ... And bad how they cast the innocent girl as a tramp and now apparently she's a single mom now
This is unbelievable. I have never been a JW and to think that I would let a bunch of idiots control my life to that extent makes me laugh. I feel sorry for the people who allow themselves to be controlled in this manner.
I'd walk out, I wouldn't stand for that 3rd degree treatment.
The poor guys whimpers are cringe inducing, but the elders acts are appalling and wrath inducing.
The Mosaic Law would have had the young man marry the woman he had fathered a child with. It is odd that the elders did not see the potential when learning that this woman was willing to marry the baby's father. This indicated that she would probably have become a witness too if he had asked her.
Having a child is a gift from God the Bible tells us, and the Watchtower elders are full of crap stating that this guy had ''saddened Jehovah'', and entertained the thought of breaking away from the mother and the child that he had fathered.
To abandon your child is a great sin that really would sadden the Creator, but those elders do not even consider the innocent child in all of this! These elders have no concern for what really ''saddens Jehovah'', for if they did they would have been much harsher towards the ministerial servants and elders who are in their congregations trying to seduce and abuse children!
yes. no wisdom. just control.
I can't even post on the internet the sexual questions and the things they forced me to retell after they found out my husband and I were having sex before we got married. You may as well be forced to in detail describe a porno, not even kidding.
Perhaps you should have asked them if they'd like an action replay. The questions and interrogation are likely just as traumatizing as the actual act itself. Sick perverts 😡
You were already married and they made you recount intimate details of your relationship? This cult is so sick. So glad I escaped as a teenager.
Oh yea, they crave every salacious, intimate, juicy detail 😝
I remember having a meeting with the elders. Definitely 3 men there but i cant remember what i did. They couldnt disfellowship me as i was baptised but i left soon after.
I was in "Robbie's" shoes, baby dad unknown; but I was reinstated exactly at 6 months and yes it does indeed take one time to get pregnant! Now this just shows how corrupt some elders can be. Just on Quora a girl said she was dfd- for going to a bar, and another assumed she did something wrong, so the judgement was in full force because he frequently went to bars and nothing happened. (Clearly doublestandard at play) But I stuck for her and reputation, even though we both don't know each other and will never return to that corrupt org! Great video and I think I will share it, if you don't mind; cause I believe that the world needs to see this!😎
OMG! From the first clip this is ridiculous and hysterical!!
The Progress You Have Made in the Creation Quality Of Your Videos And Delivery is Wild.
I've distanced myself from my mom for several months now and my dad asked why I was mad at my mom. I gave my reasons for staying away and he gave the example of Paul saying not to forsake Jesus. I replied, "so you're comparing mom to Jesus? Mom isn't Jesus and I didn't think Paul had her in mind when he said that." He quickly back tracked and dropped the comparison and they brought up the ol' honor thy father and mother line. 🤦 I just told them I loved them and left.
Changing the goal post will always be a play. Be prepared for that especially if they can't give u a suitable answer. You already know who side they are going to take and I'm not talking about JESUS.....
Elders, ministerial and the rest of the congregation hint, hint. They will look down on u for questioning anything or asking a stupid question in their eyes. smh
@@fullcircleessentials I've been dealing with this game all my life. My mom's tactics of crying, rage, name calling and guilt no longer work. She can have her "spiritual family", that's who she's always picked. I'm at the point where I'm just fed up, done with her mistreatment of me. I'm here to live MY life and I really don't care if she's not happy with how I live it. I'm 51 not 5 and she needs to realize that. Thank you for your reply.✌💜
Has anyone who went through a hearing actually told the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Robby needed to get his story straight before going in to confess.
I don’t know if anyone else noticed this but they questioned the two week comment. Do they not know how female anatomy works. You can know that you are pregnant within two weeks. I understand that they have been hanging out for two months but still wow!! I feel bad for there wives.
Yep they know. They are the all-seeing know it alls. You can’t teach them anything. It’s got to come from the governing body first. SMH
This brings back terrible memories. I was once so indoctrinated and brainwashed that I thought I had to confess consensual conduct I had with someone to another grown man, and it makes me sick to my stomach. I was already depressed and suicidal, and the elders did not help me, it was just about punishment. Going through the judicial, disfellowshipping, and reinstatement process helped me to wake up.
Hope TH-cam pushes this, more eyes need to be on our plight
I agree. And you need to get out when it’s the right time for you to do so, because we need many listeners and support people as Resources for those leaving.
4 committees in 7 years. Disfellowshipped on the last one. Done.
Congratulations!
Dang girl you were busy!
I can't believe I voluntarily "confessed" my private business to the elders. I'm so mad at myself! I really was under the control of those clowns. Being brainwashed is an awful thing.
I was 15 having to explain IN FULL DETAIL my intimate encounter with a boy from my school. It literally traumatized me to my core. I felt so violated of my privacy.
Only someone born into this or is sadistic can carry this crap out
Your Comedic Delivery Is Genius.
Genuinely hope this footage is archived and used as material to further educate the actual judiciary about these men 🙏🏼💚
Born into. At 20 friend got me pregnant. went to elders. Asked so many details as I LITERALLY BEGGED forgiveness (reproved) balled eyes out. Felt so dirty. Sat just 20 mins came in dfd me. Overnight went into denial,sadness, depression etc. Whole pregnancy had no one. Had son mnth later went book study Son crying didnt know what to do, as friends I loved just stared walked by. Couple wks later bc of mom & that lost it ended up in p.ward diagnosed severe p. partum. Didnt wanna go on. never reinstated. 3yrs ago Woke & so angry that had I bn reproved I wouldve had everyone & not had breakdwn. Shame on them doing to anyone baby on way. Robs most 9mnths of what should be happiness. Awake & cant believe, My story exact. Thankyou sm for this!
as a former JW, thank you for making all of the videos that you do Wally, to inform folks that don't know, about what I consider to be a cult. what they are about, how whey operate, and all the pain, humiliation and trauma they cause so many, you're appreciated!! 🙌😊
Hi Wally, I am an ex jw. I recently found your skits and videos and I have never laughed so much , please don’t stop ❤
"Bad association." "People who dont love Jehovah." "A manipulative worldly woman." The othering of outsiders runs so deep. They constantly pathologize and almost dehumanize them. And this one is a woman, so it's double trouble. Speaking of her like she was placed there by the devil himself to tempt him. And all of this happened because she tempted him. He could have said "no thank you" at absolutely any time leading up to the first deed. Then he stayed in touch and returned to hook up with her multiple times, but they all speak of her as this manipulative seductress. This is before you even consider how insane it is that this is any of these people's business or should dictate this young man's relationship with his father. No one stops to think how much is being asked of these elders as well, for a role that is unpaid volunteer work. They had to set aside more time on top of leading meetings and prepping for them, their personal study, any visits they do to sick or elderly congregation members, their secular jobs, and their family time to corespond with his old elders, review his story, and meet with him, possibly multiple times. His old elders have to meet as well to discuss his reinstatement. Then they all open their secretive, elders only policy book they are expected to make sure they arent reinstating him too soon (none of this is in the bible). The amount of work demanded of the elders and the amount of control they are to have over the publishers, even with made up rules with no biblical basis is just piled on so much. And they actually get sooo mad when you suggest they are in a cult or high control group instead of a benign religious organization.
I am laughing about the aquarium, too. Dear Brothers and Sisters there needs to be a condom in this story. I feel sorry for the level of ignorance here. Thanks for posting.
She invited him in to see her wet and slippery aquarium and to taste her kissing gourami.
Man I'm glad you said that, I was starting to get clammy and my heart started pounding at the start of this