@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidlynot unless it was a few days long stand off. It wasn’t, she was forcibly pushed to do it but not outright forced to do it. If she had dug her heels in, they’d have had no footage and would’ve had to cave themselves. The issue is what they said to get her to cave because that hurt her game. She could’ve got Rachel out, the person who beat her. She knew opening it was dumb, which means it was something that they said, not the stand-off that made her ruin her game. Kind of seems like they threatened a bad edit because that’s the only way you can lose the winnings and any chance of earning afterwards, which is morally awful. Still didn’t drag her to it and she still had the option to say no, which means she wasn’t forced, it was just incredibly morally questionable for the sake of views. US reality tv is this though, it’s all about the entertainment and not about the people who have to live afterwards. 🙌🏻 Every single one of them signed a contract and its well known that these contracts, for most shows specify that things can be done that alters rules for the sake of entertainment, so she knew it could be coming, doesn’t justify fixing it for 2 past players though. 🤷♀️
For the Saboteur twist they should have set it up where if the Saboteur gets evicted, that person gets to name a new Saboteur. Then production wouldn’t have tipped their hand trying to keep Annie from being nominated, and if she still was nominated and evicted they’d still have a way for the twist to play out.
They did with Regan and it sucked because (another conspiracy theory/rumor) all he did was tell lies from the DR which no one believed and started thinking America was the saboteud because he didn't do anything someone not even in the house couldn't have done. Rumor/conspiracy is Regan turned it down initially and BB basically had to negotiate until they promised he would only ever deliver lies safely from the DR so he wouldn't risk his game. He did do an actual sabotage for his final task where he left a note in someones bed, and he about had a pannic attack doing it. So I honestly think BB went back on their word for the final task. I mean I don't know if anyone has confirmed this, but it made no sense BB when he got the Saboteur only ever had him tell lies in the DR which was the most uninteresting thing he could do and clearly no one was believing it after they had Annie lie and say she escaped the block when she didn't week 1.
7:05 I've listened to Evel Dick talk on his podcast about how production got mad at him when he tried to investigate the bag containing all the names, and he had to stop. So, actually, that theory is still perfectly plausible.
zach said in an interview that production delayed the competition and they heard reconstruction after caleb decided to throw and that caleb was originally gonna just yank the chain randomly to make it impossible until production said he had to sit down
Testosterone can make the impossible possible, especially considering Caleb was trying to sabotage Frankie by sitting it out (and was still ultimately rewarded for it by technicality).
@@jlhabitan50 it’s the fact that the comp is easier with one person. Also I think he was told that he couldn’t throw it with Frankie and had to sit out if he wanted to throw it. Which is not the norm with throwing comps and production.
@@giani0929 I heard that Caleb was going to just sit out but when he realized Frankie would be able to do it on his own, he wanted to participate but was told by production he couldnt change his mind
“Porsche lost an endurance competition with production” is such a funny way of describing that Pandora’s Box decision, but I definitely believe it. The annoying thing about Eric not being allowed to use the veto since there was no time for a fan vote is that not using the veto is not a no consequence option. Even if he was picked for veto he should’ve just thrown it lol or have production force him to throw it. I’ve never heard about the Hayden defying production to put up Annie one before but it sounds plausible. 100% those were the unused power apps rebranded. Helen was pushed 😜
He never went into BB with his own gameplan. They told him from the jump, "If you're going to be a BB houseguest then you have to be Americas Player".... He chose it. He got handsomely compensated for it, i mean anyone would have taken that deal, especially because more likely than not, he wouldn't have been chosen as a houseguest because he would have already known someone was gonna take that offer and he'd have known from the beginning that there was an Americas Player.
I knew Porsche in person and she told me they kept her up in the room for hours and said things like “it could be more money or a car” and would not let her out until she said yes
Sadly it's within the contract technically. They are obliged to accept any twist thrown at them. So since she technically accept, no matter how coerced, it's in the contract. @@amandak.4246
@@amandak.4246it’s their show, they sign contracts not to speak about xyz that could tarnish the shows reputation. They also line these guys up to go on other shows, so they could easily retract that phone call and your tv career is over.
I love how she said "bye I love you guys" which is totally what someone who's foot was unexpectedly yanked and life changing money was taken from her would have done instantly after being pushed... of course.
You can clearly see Helen looking down and waiting for a signal to drop. I am assuming they wanted to give her money to drop in order to push Elissa to win. They knew that bringing Helen back would put a huge target on Elissa again. Helen would have been offered money and a NDA for sure. She didn’t fall, she hopped off, and clearly with how strong of a player she was and how badly she wanted it, there is no way she would give up that easily.
Another likely true conspiracy theory is that the 2 hour episode 2 weeks before the finale in BB23 was originally a Triple Eviction, but when production saw that the Cookout was likely going to be the Final 6 of the season they wanted that round to be shown over a full week so they changed course to have a double eviction the week before and then just a double eviction in the 2 hour episode.
@@billwe5772 So instead they used it on the number 1 season of all time, All Stars 2? Sounds like your theory is spot on. Why do you think it was a dead season?
@@andrewnelson21cause everyone knew what was gonna happen everyone saids bb16 and bb19 were so predictable so they sucked whereas this was the same just worse cause you knew no way anyone was gonna flip i personally like bb16 and bb19 more bb16 had a way better cast too
About the whole production tipping Hayden off story, Britney confirmed it to be true and that it actually happened to all the houseguests where production tried to dissuade them from voting out Annie and it made everybody want to vote her out
This is why I stopped watching BB. You can tell production is out of control and want to dictate which way the game goes. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
I remember Dick and Danielle's season. I remember if Dick or Danielle didn't win one of them would be gone. Production put that game in were you had to climb up the ladder of one deep tank and into the other and go and unlock something at the bottom I think?? Dick had talked numerous times over the summer on BB After Dark about all of the scuba diving he did. ( so they totally wanted him to win and made it happen ) Another season they totally had it set up for Jeff Schroeder to win the Clown Shoe comp but he just made a mistake but it was obvious they wanted him to win. Then in more recent years Taylor was probably set to go home and they did a comp where you had to watch what outfit Julie was wearing and remember what she was/was not wearing. Since Taylor was a stylist it was so obvious they wanted her to win. I wish production would just stay out of it and let the game play as it would. All these stupid twists all the time, ruin the game play which is way better naturally than what they concoct behind the scenes.
The Porsche one was a clear and obvious case of rigging. Fand and casual viewers watching that season as it aired called out the rigging immediately. The producers were so desperate to have a returning player win that season and I have no idea why because most of the returnees they brought back that season sucked lol.
She really was a good player, probably deserved another chance, but with the way 1/3 them acted, it ruined everything for everyone from that season. Has anyone from that season been involved with anything to do with big brother since then? Haven’t heard any. None have been returnees either.
Has anyone every talked about the first comp of Celebrity Big Brother when production obviously saved Omarosa? I forget the exact details, but they made everyone pick a numbered box and then production was like "Omarosa you picked the right box, you're safe for a week!" Like no doubt, whatever box Omarosa picked was the "right box". She was definitely the biggest get of that season and a late addition to the cast, so I know they did not want to risk her going home early.
What baffled me the most about is it Julue Chen pulled out the number, paused, didn't show it to the audience and was all "yep... it's Omarosa's number all right!". I mean you would think they would have told her the number ahead of time and she would have stoof on it so Julie's would have matched. Still would have been suspect but would have been a lot less sketch. Did she forget and step on the wrong number? Did someone get to that number before her? Even BB is usually not THAT transparent.
I recently got into BB and watched 9 regular seasons. I got curious about celebrity edition and started the first season. As soon as I saw this, I turned it off and started to watch a regular season
Second… Also, two things: I obviously don’t know what it’s like to be locked up in a house for weeks on end so I may be talking out of my rear end but I would have told production to go somewhere! (Trying to keep it G, or at least PG here)… If I were Porsche and production pushed or encouraged (allegedly) me to open Pandora’s box, I would have waited it out. Nothing motivates me NOT to do something than when people try to push me to do something… Also, hashtag Justice for Helen… that was mad sus bro, js…
I'll keep these shorter than last time: 1. "Forced to open" can be interpreted in so many ways, but I agree completely with what you said, that Porsche lost an endurance comp with the producers in the HOH room haha. ***2. Why does production suck so hard at executing planned twists??? So I went ahead and did the math on Eric's odds of not getting picked for veto until F7 (and he didn't get picked, it was HG choice). Let's just forget about the odds of Eric never being the HOH or an initial nom, therefore playing in the veto, and just focus on the veto draw odds. Starting with week one, there was an 8/11 chance Eric is not picked. This continues in the following fashion: (8/11)x(7/10)x(6/9)x(5/8)x(4/7)x(3/6)x(2/5). Those are his odds of not being picked for the first SEVEN veto draws, which equal out to a 0.024% (repeating) chance, or about 1 in 5000. That math, paired with all of the problems associated with Eric winning the veto, leads me to believe his chip wasn't in the bag. I reject any counters. The bag could have been special in order to not spill, or some explanation like that. ALSO, production could have told him that he won't be playing in vetoes for a while due to his status as America's Player and they all kept that a secret. One way or another, there was NO WAY Eric was conveniently never picked; there was some level of shenanigans. 1 in 5000 chance is too much too ignore. 3. I think you hit all the nails on the head, but it wasn't a huge deal because they just picked Ragan to do it after. 4. Yep, production asleep at the wheel again. But at least we got that smug asshole Jack to embarrass himself yet again. He thought that lame power was such a big deal, but it did less than nothing hahahaha. 5. You and I have talked about this before and although neither of us think Helen was pushed, it's one of the rare things the whole BB community can get behind. But real quick for others, there was no need to push Helen, Judd was way in the lead and was easily going to win this comp. And even IF production wanted her to throw it, they would have found a more convincing time, like when the platform was actually moving or when the balls were being shot at them.
My money is that what would’ve been Eric’s ball in the bag was instead a second Player’s Choice ball; though you’d want to do a tally of all the other draws done that season and compare to see if that statistically makes sense (I have not done that math, lol). As well while later seasons do show people looking at in the draw bag to check the numbers, there could’ve been a season specific rule for the players to not look in the bag for the sake of the twist.
@@PineappleLiar I've been thinking about how they would pull it off...maybe a false bag/layer.. so the total number of "balls" would feel like they were in there 🤷♀️
Im surprised Frankie's solo Battle Of The Block isnt on here. Zach has said publicly that they rebuilt the comp from scratch when Caleb told him he was sitting out, then production forced him to sit when he changed his mind
Not really a conspiracy theory as much as head canon. I partially believe Will started participating in jury discussions because he was worried Dan was taking his place as the face of Big Brother. I have no evidence of this besides the fact that Will started this the season after Dan’s last time playing, and I’d actually bet on it not being true if I had to guess (it’s not like he was ever jealous of Janelle, who also rivals him for the face of Big Brother), but I choose to believe it anyway because the idea tickles me
I just found out that I worked with Annie for the last year and a half and DIDNT KNOW IT WAS HER. And now that I watched this video I just put the pieces together
The Coup has always been a rigged twist to set up for the opposition to gain power (BB 7 & 11) The rewind button stopped Frankie from ruining Derek’s game (BB16) Howie voted incorrectly. While he was close with Rachel, Rachel was more voting against Ivette vs pro Maggie. Also his reaction is cut away from when his key is pulled (BB6) In an effort to avoid bb15 levels of controversy Paloma was pulled from the game (BB24) The jury battleback that was scheduled to filled the spot for the 14th cast member who dropped right before filming was cancelled due to production wanting to see if the brigade could pull it off. I heard the decision was made post-kristen eviction. (BB12)
Interesting. I've definitely heard the conspiracy about the BB12 battleback but I always heard a slightly different version, that production cancelled it after Hayden revealed too much about the Brigade to Kristen in the goodbye message. (Not saying I believe this, just saying that it is the version that I've heard)
@@HolyAlonditeIf that were true production could have just edited that out of the message. Unless the jurors received full messages from every player in the jury house, and they all knew about this so Kristen would’ve found it weird if she didn’t get hers or one was edited.
@@andrewnelson21 there’s a theory that Howie (one of the worst players to make the jury twice in a row) thought in bb6 that they were voting out the loser and not voting for the winner. So he voted for Maggie thinking he was voting her out due to his comments shown in the episode against Maggie, him being tricked by Maggie, the alliances feeling toward Eric and Maggie and fact the his face is cut away from when his key is pulled. Again just speculation!
#justiceforhelen. She is legit one of my fav players, and she is so overlooked. She looked DEAD in the water in the early weeks and made a miraculous comeback during that middle of the night memory game , turned the house around single handedly, and lasted a few more weeks. Would love to see her come back, but I doubt she ever would be invited.
I think it’s odd that BB has not had a single houseguest return from BB15. It’s clearly the most controversial season to date but then theres Judd, McCrae, Helen, and even Spencer who get short-ended because Aaryn of the Aryan. Dick was way more difficult than Aaryn ever was on a daily basis. I’m not condoning what she said rather than just pointing out that Dick was directly antagonizing where as Aaryn was more passive (excluding the time she flipped the bed over).
10:25 - The thing with this Saboteur twist and many other twists in recent years is that producers never seem to always have the foresight that they can fail and backfire on them really badly.
Helen wasn't pushed, she threw the comp in a dumb way, it looks so obvious that at one point she thought her odds were so slim that she was just ready to go and leaped off 😂
God the BB13 final 6 still makes me mad this day. Weeks 4-7 were so good and that rigged bs just ruined the season. Jordan should’ve been evicted that week.
They def remade the bb16 battle of the block challenge when Frankie and Caleb were paired up. They didn’t allow Caleb even to compete cause they knew he’d throw, but that comp was so much easier to win as 1 person instead of 2. Also apparently the comp was pushed back a significant amount after Caleb said he’d throw, signaling that they had to remake the comp
Well, the part where they forced Caleb to sit out isn't the whole story. As we see in the episode, Caleb refuses to play in the comp with Frankie. But when Frankie started doing well, Caleb wanted to re-enter the competition in order to start wildly shaking the chain to make it impossible for Frankie to win. That's when production stepped in and said that Caleb would not be allowed, as he already chose to sit out the competition. You could say that's rigging, but it's equally fair to say that it was the right decision, as a player who quits a comp shouldn't be allowed to re-enter. Also, production's job is to make good tv, and Frankie being the underdog of the comp and winning it was good tv. And yeah, apparently they remade the comp to make it easier for one player, that's a whole other story of rigging.
Have you heard the theory that Willie from BB 14 was a production plant with the intention of him getting expelled all along as a way to get the coaches to play the game
has there been a time where someone didn’t open pandora’s box? i haven’t watched a lot of the early seasons, and i don’t remember seeing clips of anyone successfully not opening it
@@anniep3641 In BB 9 there was a question as part of a late game hoh comp that asked "is there a pre existing relationship still in the house?" The answer was surprisingly yes, and did not refer to players, but instead the pet Guinea pigs.
It’s shocking that the HOH in a good position didn’t believe that a twist would be beneficial for her. A twist is always meant to give the person on the bottom a chance to gain power
Tucker finding Mackenzie’s hidden card in BB26 so easily shows clear production interference. Who knows production hinted for Leah to use the veto on Angela and they probably told Tucker the same thing smh
idk, you're using some weird mental gymnastics to explain how porsche wasn't forced to open pandoras box, but just from the way you are describing it, i disagree. porsche was locked in the Hoh room for what you compared to as a "endurance comp" where she has to outlast production. but it's not a fair competition because production has access to anything they need and the houseguests don't. production could have kept her locked in there for as long as they needed to in order to get the result they wanted and we have no idea when, or if they would ever let up. it was forced.
They would have had to let up eventually because otherwise the game comes to a stand still. Not necessarily forced as in she was heald at gun point, but definitely coerced
i think porsche was badgered by production and just gave in to get them off her ass. kind of a shame that in the newer seasons there have been wasted twists and production didn't give the same energy there. i'm extremely curious about how Eric and Cassie were chosen for those roles
As much as Im team Helen was pushed, you can see her feet were raised and Candice's were flat on the platform. She probably lost her balance or strained her legs from standing like that
Why can't we just believe helen when she says she wasn't pushed, what benefits would she have lying about being pushed. They are never bringing bb15 back anyway.
love ur vids and my bb obsessed self can’t stop watching. if u ever need a video idea, i’d love to see a video breakdown of the brigade alliance since i did not watch that season!
There is no way if he was told about the Cookout he wouldn't have played the ROulette challenge, or told Claire he was not using the veto on her if he won because it would leave TIffany vulnerable. (SB was never putting up Tiffany but Tiff had everyone convinced that BS had it out for her among other things). Derrick did say that production hinted he should play for the roultte challenge for immunity which he didn't pick up on, and I have no problem believing that. But there is no way he played the way he did his last week if he was told all about the cookout.
This one makes no sense, Derek X was one of the most beloved houseguests and it would've been even better TV to see him be the last one standing and having The Cookout take him out and not SB. Derek simply played that week badly when he had chances to play for his safety
@@777L777E777 What didn't make sense, BB not being told about the cookout? I mean yeah no denying BB interferes but telling him about an alliance would be a new level even for that show. And obviously if anyone was mad BB didn't tell him well... fans can't complain about production interference if they are only against it when it helps people they don't like.
Big Brother 13 really is just a frustrating season. I don’t mind Rachel as the winner given how iconic she is, but the sheer amount of factors that worked in her favor that were outside of her control is frustrating. And while some of them don’t bother me much, I completely get Brendon using the veto on Rachel and Jeff getting his oh so glorious karmic eviction is great, it sucks that this was a factor that seemed manufactured by production to keep her around, and that is more problematic 🤦🏻♂️
I mean it sucks that the producers try to change how things are going in the house but at the same time it’s a tv show and they have to make it entertaining
Yeah, many people confirmed that they knew they were being backdoored because of the questions productions ask That's why for example, in Survivor Guatemala it's winner refused to talk strategy in their confessionals, because they knew that while it isn't that production is necesarilly rigging for some people, production does tend to try to influence in their desicion
I remember Spencer Clawson would NEVER tell the D.R. what he was planning to do. He felt like they tried to sway him or would use his vote somehow against him, so he was on to them during his season.
The cookout was the biggest scam in bb history, they had the winner picked before the season started, and the next season with what I call cookout 2.0 was even more hilarious
Helen was pushed! But then why do we think there is a production person walking behind? Because of a shadow? If you look 15:13 the shadow is a long shadow that continues moving past the whole set, look at the floor and you see an extension of the shadow on the ground. It's a continual shadow that is probably something from the air blocking the sun. If they didn't want Helen to return for 'racial' reasons then why was this not the same for Candace? Ethanimale! Love your videos. Thanks!
Totally agree. I think he would have won that season, except for Amercia voting and making him do stupid obvious stuff until he was discovered as the wonky vote by Danielle.
Sticking to BB8 I fully believe that America did not vote to have Eric save Dick from eviction, I fully believe production inserted themselves and then had Eric go around and save Dick from eviction
THe vote went Dick's way essentially every time. America bough the "bad boy with a heart of gold who was putting on an act because he LOOOVVEEDD his daughter!" Bs they were spewing. I hate Dick but I think America really did vote for Eric to vote out Dustin that week.
I remember Eric talking before about how he realized that America loved Dick and Danielle and so he started to play his game accordingly. Knowing he would stay in longer if he was a friend rather than an enemy.
Porsche outlasts production & she gets robbed… she was FORCED, in terms of no other choice fr (not physically obviously Ethan😂😂😂) & Helen was touch to go or pushed i’m not blind 😤😭 she wasn’t even struggling ahaha
I agree Porsche got screwed but if they were pressuring her theoretically if she said no long enough they would have eventually had to move on. Although can't blame her for caving most would have.
Didn't Hayden nominate Annie because after Brendon won the VETO she was the person that was closest to both him and Rachel ? Even before the competition he was saying that if either Brendon or Rachel got off the block, he would put her up since she was in an alliance with them. I think it's farfetched for production to have anything to do with it... One thing to note about Helen, though, is that on social media she not only said once that she wasn't pushed--but some time after, she INSISTED on not having been pushed, even though she had no reason to lie because her contract with CBS was already over, so she really could have gotten away with exposing them without any repercussions.
Porsche being forced to open the box isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just a fact 😂
Yeah, everyone knows that when the box is there, you don’t have a choice. An HOH in good standing would never want to introduce a twist.
@@aaronsmith4806Exactly. It’s similar to Americas vote ‘offering’ a role to a certain houseguest, they don’t have a choice but to accept lol
@@aaronsmith4806i wouldve said no. And sat criss cross applesauce til they went away
Not being able to leave a room until you do something sounds really like being forced
@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidlynot unless it was a few days long stand off. It wasn’t, she was forcibly pushed to do it but not outright forced to do it. If she had dug her heels in, they’d have had no footage and would’ve had to cave themselves. The issue is what they said to get her to cave because that hurt her game. She could’ve got Rachel out, the person who beat her. She knew opening it was dumb, which means it was something that they said, not the stand-off that made her ruin her game. Kind of seems like they threatened a bad edit because that’s the only way you can lose the winnings and any chance of earning afterwards, which is morally awful. Still didn’t drag her to it and she still had the option to say no, which means she wasn’t forced, it was just incredibly morally questionable for the sake of views. US reality tv is this though, it’s all about the entertainment and not about the people who have to live afterwards. 🙌🏻 Every single one of them signed a contract and its well known that these contracts, for most shows specify that things can be done that alters rules for the sake of entertainment, so she knew it could be coming, doesn’t justify fixing it for 2 past players though. 🤷♀️
The first one is so obviously rigged it hurts… like even the veto comp was something Rachel already won that season 😭🤣
And if she doesn’t open the box, production screws her either way
Lol just give Rachel something to hang onto and she will . I'm surprised they didn't have giant hanging Brendan's for her to hang on.
@@nathans.5911I thought they actually that did at one point?
@JNDReacts Wait I am done was it actually pictures of Brendan hooked up to a foam body she was hugging onto ?! 😳 I'm screaming 😱 😭
@@nathans.5911 I think so, because I remember something awkward about Dani and her dad as well.
For the Saboteur twist they should have set it up where if the Saboteur gets evicted, that person gets to name a new Saboteur. Then production wouldn’t have tipped their hand trying to keep Annie from being nominated, and if she still was nominated and evicted they’d still have a way for the twist to play out.
They did with Regan and it sucked because (another conspiracy theory/rumor) all he did was tell lies from the DR which no one believed and started thinking America was the saboteud because he didn't do anything someone not even in the house couldn't have done. Rumor/conspiracy is Regan turned it down initially and BB basically had to negotiate until they promised he would only ever deliver lies safely from the DR so he wouldn't risk his game. He did do an actual sabotage for his final task where he left a note in someones bed, and he about had a pannic attack doing it. So I honestly think BB went back on their word for the final task. I mean I don't know if anyone has confirmed this, but it made no sense BB when he got the Saboteur only ever had him tell lies in the DR which was the most uninteresting thing he could do and clearly no one was believing it after they had Annie lie and say she escaped the block when she didn't week 1.
I agree with this but than again they did just use the saboteur twist latter with Regan
My favourite conspiracy theory was when in BB15 Julie said "It's pushin time" and pushed Helen
😲oh my GOD, I'll have to rewatch that now !!!!! 😁😁😁, I'm so excited for Big Brother!!!!
Helen was definitely pushed. I remember her being pushed and feeling like that wasn't really fair.
Even though I could not stand her.
I don't remember about Julie saying that. Omg ! How blatant.
7:05 I've listened to Evel Dick talk on his podcast about how production got mad at him when he tried to investigate the bag containing all the names, and he had to stop.
So, actually, that theory is still perfectly plausible.
Frankie winning the BOB on his own was one of the most obviously rigged moments on the show
zach said in an interview that production delayed the competition and they heard reconstruction after caleb decided to throw and that caleb was originally gonna just yank the chain randomly to make it impossible until production said he had to sit down
Testosterone can make the impossible possible, especially considering Caleb was trying to sabotage Frankie by sitting it out (and was still ultimately rewarded for it by technicality).
@@jlhabitan50 it’s the fact that the comp is easier with one person. Also I think he was told that he couldn’t throw it with Frankie and had to sit out if he wanted to throw it. Which is not the norm with throwing comps and production.
@@jlhabitan50 I dont think testosterone is the word you are searching for, I think you mean adrenaline.
@@giani0929 I heard that Caleb was going to just sit out but when he realized Frankie would be able to do it on his own, he wanted to participate but was told by production he couldnt change his mind
“Porsche lost an endurance competition with production” is such a funny way of describing that Pandora’s Box decision, but I definitely believe it.
The annoying thing about Eric not being allowed to use the veto since there was no time for a fan vote is that not using the veto is not a no consequence option. Even if he was picked for veto he should’ve just thrown it lol or have production force him to throw it.
I’ve never heard about the Hayden defying production to put up Annie one before but it sounds plausible.
100% those were the unused power apps rebranded.
Helen was pushed 😜
Imagine you’re Eric going into BB with a game plan and production just says “no”. I’d quit.
He never went into BB with his own gameplan. They told him from the jump, "If you're going to be a BB houseguest then you have to be Americas Player".... He chose it. He got handsomely compensated for it, i mean anyone would have taken that deal, especially because more likely than not, he wouldn't have been chosen as a houseguest because he would have already known someone was gonna take that offer and he'd have known from the beginning that there was an Americas Player.
I knew Porsche in person and she told me they kept her up in the room for hours and said things like “it could be more money or a car” and would not let her out until she said yes
@@amandak.4246 False imprisonment? Thats kinda a stretch eh? Did you say the same thing about Dans solidary confinement?
Sadly it's within the contract technically. They are obliged to accept any twist thrown at them. So since she technically accept, no matter how coerced, it's in the contract. @@amandak.4246
@@amandak.4246it’s their show, they sign contracts not to speak about xyz that could tarnish the shows reputation. They also line these guys up to go on other shows, so they could easily retract that phone call and your tv career is over.
@@andrewnelson21 You don't understand contracts, do you? 🙄
This has nothing to do with my coment@@ninedaysjane2466
Justice for Helen! They flung her down with such force I'm surprised she survived the fall!!
I love how she said "bye I love you guys" which is totally what someone who's foot was unexpectedly yanked and life changing money was taken from her would have done instantly after being pushed... of course.
This comment took me out 😂😂😂 #justiceforhelen
@@dantheman8103I definitely think she was paid to jump off
@@dantheman8103It's totally something that someone who was paid off WOULD say tho
You can clearly see Helen looking down and waiting for a signal to drop. I am assuming they wanted to give her money to drop in order to push Elissa to win. They knew that bringing Helen back would put a huge target on Elissa again. Helen would have been offered money and a NDA for sure. She didn’t fall, she hopped off, and clearly with how strong of a player she was and how badly she wanted it, there is no way she would give up that easily.
She REALLY LOOKED LIKE she jumped down on her own
but justice for helen
I’m still not over Corey in bb18 winning that one MacGyver veto in suspiciously quick time like he knew where every clue lead to immediately.
I was just thinking about this one yesterday!
Another likely true conspiracy theory is that the 2 hour episode 2 weeks before the finale in BB23 was originally a Triple Eviction, but when production saw that the Cookout was likely going to be the Final 6 of the season they wanted that round to be shown over a full week so they changed course to have a double eviction the week before and then just a double eviction in the 2 hour episode.
yeah cbs also realized why waste a triple eviction on such a dead season
@@billwe5772 So instead they used it on the number 1 season of all time, All Stars 2? Sounds like your theory is spot on.
Why do you think it was a dead season?
@@andrewnelson21cause everyone knew what was gonna happen everyone saids bb16 and bb19 were so predictable so they sucked whereas this was the same just worse cause you knew no way anyone was gonna flip i personally like bb16 and bb19 more bb16 had a way better cast too
About the whole production tipping Hayden off story, Britney confirmed it to be true and that it actually happened to all the houseguests where production tried to dissuade them from voting out Annie and it made everybody want to vote her out
Porsche didn't seem excited about Pandora's box. I don't believe she wanted to choose it.
Helen stated in 2015 on Twitter I believe that she wasn’t pushed - she could of been paid off though 😅
Helen was pushed, it's a cannon event, no one could have stopped it.
Helen was the best player and she had good relationship with everyone in the house. And she seems strong for that game her falling looks so random
@@MaFeLikEmE well i'd argue that andy was better but in no means am i saying helen wasn;t great
justice for helen
@wizardkumaanimations9984 maybe I just don't like the way he acts 🤷🏻
I wasn't following it when it happen but gurl doesn't seem to fall, but rather jumped off. So being payed of seems likely
This is why I stopped watching BB. You can tell production is out of control and want to dictate which way the game goes. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
I remember Dick and Danielle's season. I remember if Dick or Danielle didn't win one of them would be gone. Production put that game in were you had to climb up the ladder of one deep tank and into the other and go and unlock something at the bottom I think?? Dick had talked numerous times over the summer on BB After Dark about all of the scuba diving he did. ( so they totally wanted him to win and made it happen )
Another season they totally had it set up for Jeff Schroeder to win the Clown Shoe comp but he just made a mistake but it was obvious they wanted him to win.
Then in more recent years Taylor was probably set to go home and they did a comp where you had to watch what outfit Julie was wearing and remember what she was/was not wearing. Since Taylor was a stylist it was so obvious they wanted her to win.
I wish production would just stay out of it and let the game play as it would. All these stupid twists all the time, ruin the game play which is way better naturally than what they concoct behind the scenes.
@wendyeskelin8765 see. You can't unsee productions' hands in the game. It makes it bad because it's scripted.
The Porsche one was a clear and obvious case of rigging. Fand and casual viewers watching that season as it aired called out the rigging immediately. The producers were so desperate to have a returning player win that season and I have no idea why because most of the returnees they brought back that season sucked lol.
Porsche's Pandora's Box was the reason I stopped watching Big Brother. lol
I realised that the reason why Production forced Porsche to open Pandora's box was because they already have the veto comp set up. 🤦🏻♂
Helen is one of my favorite players, i want her back for another season
Same
She really was a good player, probably deserved another chance, but with the way 1/3 them acted, it ruined everything for everyone from that season. Has anyone from that season been involved with anything to do with big brother since then? Haven’t heard any. None have been returnees either.
Helen was definitely pushed. Maybe not physically but probably with money and decided that it wasn't worth staying in the racist house 😂
Has anyone every talked about the first comp of Celebrity Big Brother when production obviously saved Omarosa? I forget the exact details, but they made everyone pick a numbered box and then production was like "Omarosa you picked the right box, you're safe for a week!" Like no doubt, whatever box Omarosa picked was the "right box". She was definitely the biggest get of that season and a late addition to the cast, so I know they did not want to risk her going home early.
What baffled me the most about is it Julue Chen pulled out the number, paused, didn't show it to the audience and was all "yep... it's Omarosa's number all right!". I mean you would think they would have told her the number ahead of time and she would have stoof on it so Julie's would have matched. Still would have been suspect but would have been a lot less sketch. Did she forget and step on the wrong number? Did someone get to that number before her? Even BB is usually not THAT transparent.
@@dantheman8103 LOL exactly. just gets worse and worse these days
I recently got into BB and watched 9 regular seasons. I got curious about celebrity edition and started the first season. As soon as I saw this, I turned it off and started to watch a regular season
@@robertussindm LOL
Big Brother is always doing stuff like this, Celebrity or not. Just watch s15-33 of Survivor lolol
Second…
Also, two things: I obviously don’t know what it’s like to be locked up in a house for weeks on end so I may be talking out of my rear end but I would have told production to go somewhere! (Trying to keep it G, or at least PG here)… If I were Porsche and production pushed or encouraged (allegedly) me to open Pandora’s box, I would have waited it out. Nothing motivates me NOT to do something than when people try to push me to do something…
Also, hashtag Justice for Helen… that was mad sus bro, js…
I'll keep these shorter than last time:
1. "Forced to open" can be interpreted in so many ways, but I agree completely with what you said, that Porsche lost an endurance comp with the producers in the HOH room haha.
***2. Why does production suck so hard at executing planned twists??? So I went ahead and did the math on Eric's odds of not getting picked for veto until F7 (and he didn't get picked, it was HG choice). Let's just forget about the odds of Eric never being the HOH or an initial nom, therefore playing in the veto, and just focus on the veto draw odds. Starting with week one, there was an 8/11 chance Eric is not picked. This continues in the following fashion: (8/11)x(7/10)x(6/9)x(5/8)x(4/7)x(3/6)x(2/5). Those are his odds of not being picked for the first SEVEN veto draws, which equal out to a 0.024% (repeating) chance, or about 1 in 5000. That math, paired with all of the problems associated with Eric winning the veto, leads me to believe his chip wasn't in the bag. I reject any counters. The bag could have been special in order to not spill, or some explanation like that. ALSO, production could have told him that he won't be playing in vetoes for a while due to his status as America's Player and they all kept that a secret. One way or another, there was NO WAY Eric was conveniently never picked; there was some level of shenanigans. 1 in 5000 chance is too much too ignore.
3. I think you hit all the nails on the head, but it wasn't a huge deal because they just picked Ragan to do it after.
4. Yep, production asleep at the wheel again. But at least we got that smug asshole Jack to embarrass himself yet again. He thought that lame power was such a big deal, but it did less than nothing hahahaha.
5. You and I have talked about this before and although neither of us think Helen was pushed, it's one of the rare things the whole BB community can get behind. But real quick for others, there was no need to push Helen, Judd was way in the lead and was easily going to win this comp. And even IF production wanted her to throw it, they would have found a more convincing time, like when the platform was actually moving or when the balls were being shot at them.
My money is that what would’ve been Eric’s ball in the bag was instead a second Player’s Choice ball; though you’d want to do a tally of all the other draws done that season and compare to see if that statistically makes sense (I have not done that math, lol). As well while later seasons do show people looking at in the draw bag to check the numbers, there could’ve been a season specific rule for the players to not look in the bag for the sake of the twist.
@@PineappleLiar I've been thinking about how they would pull it off...maybe a false bag/layer.. so the total number of "balls" would feel like they were in there 🤷♀️
Im surprised Frankie's solo Battle Of The Block isnt on here. Zach has said publicly that they rebuilt the comp from scratch when Caleb told him he was sitting out, then production forced him to sit when he changed his mind
Not really a conspiracy theory as much as head canon. I partially believe Will started participating in jury discussions because he was worried Dan was taking his place as the face of Big Brother.
I have no evidence of this besides the fact that Will started this the season after Dan’s last time playing, and I’d actually bet on it not being true if I had to guess (it’s not like he was ever jealous of Janelle, who also rivals him for the face of Big Brother), but I choose to believe it anyway because the idea tickles me
I love this idea! Tickled as well 😊
I just found out that I worked with Annie for the last year and a half and DIDNT KNOW IT WAS HER. And now that I watched this video I just put the pieces together
Where at?
BB13 was rigged and it clearly as day! The duo returned, Veto was the same as the first HOH comp!
Also weird the duo veto wasn't a pairs competition if we are to believe it was legit.
@@dantheman8103 Yes! There clearly wanted to gave Rachel and Jordan the best chance or both be safe!
You didn’t cover BB10 Ollie having no vetos in his pile of hay in his final pov?
The Coup has always been a rigged twist to set up for the opposition to gain power (BB 7 & 11)
The rewind button stopped Frankie from ruining Derek’s game (BB16)
Howie voted incorrectly. While he was close with Rachel, Rachel was more voting against Ivette vs pro Maggie. Also his reaction is cut away from when his key is pulled (BB6)
In an effort to avoid bb15 levels of controversy Paloma was pulled from the game (BB24)
The jury battleback that was scheduled to filled the spot for the 14th cast member who dropped right before filming was cancelled due to production wanting to see if the brigade could pull it off. I heard the decision was made post-kristen eviction. (BB12)
Interesting. I've definitely heard the conspiracy about the BB12 battleback but I always heard a slightly different version, that production cancelled it after Hayden revealed too much about the Brigade to Kristen in the goodbye message. (Not saying I believe this, just saying that it is the version that I've heard)
@@HolyAlonditeIf that were true production could have just edited that out of the message. Unless the jurors received full messages from every player in the jury house, and they all knew about this so Kristen would’ve found it weird if she didn’t get hers or one was edited.
I never heard the Howie one before, can you explain to me please?
@@andrewnelson21 there’s a theory that Howie (one of the worst players to make the jury twice in a row) thought in bb6 that they were voting out the loser and not voting for the winner. So he voted for Maggie thinking he was voting her out due to his comments shown in the episode against Maggie, him being tricked by Maggie, the alliances feeling toward Eric and Maggie and fact the his face is cut away from when his key is pulled. Again just speculation!
OOOHHHH Thats juicy. @@raheemfielder-bey998 He is stupid AF so I would buy it to be honest
#justiceforhelen. She is legit one of my fav players, and she is so overlooked. She looked DEAD in the water in the early weeks and made a miraculous comeback during that middle of the night memory game , turned the house around single handedly, and lasted a few more weeks. Would love to see her come back, but I doubt she ever would be invited.
I think it’s odd that BB has not had a single houseguest return from BB15. It’s clearly the most controversial season to date but then theres Judd, McCrae, Helen, and even Spencer who get short-ended because Aaryn of the Aryan. Dick was way more difficult than Aaryn ever was on a daily basis. I’m not condoning what she said rather than just pointing out that Dick was directly antagonizing where as Aaryn was more passive (excluding the time she flipped the bed over).
Dude you have to post more often!! You got me rewatching the competition hacks video 😭😭
Posting twice a week for all of BB25!
@@Ethanimale THANK YOU 💗
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10:25 - The thing with this Saboteur twist and many other twists in recent years is that producers never seem to always have the foresight that they can fail and backfire on them really badly.
Helen wasn't pushed, she threw the comp in a dumb way, it looks so obvious that at one point she thought her odds were so slim that she was just ready to go and leaped off 😂
the entire situation of the duo twist coming back on bb13 makes my blood boil lmao
"xyz was pushed" is such a fun catchphase i always use, Helen ate that up ❤❤
The porsche Pandora’s box is absolutely crazy to me. Regardless if she was forced into it or not.
God the BB13 final 6 still makes me mad this day. Weeks 4-7 were so good and that rigged bs just ruined the season. Jordan should’ve been evicted that week.
They def remade the bb16 battle of the block challenge when Frankie and Caleb were paired up. They didn’t allow Caleb even to compete cause they knew he’d throw, but that comp was so much easier to win as 1 person instead of 2. Also apparently the comp was pushed back a significant amount after Caleb said he’d throw, signaling that they had to remake the comp
Well, the part where they forced Caleb to sit out isn't the whole story.
As we see in the episode, Caleb refuses to play in the comp with Frankie. But when Frankie started doing well, Caleb wanted to re-enter the competition in order to start wildly shaking the chain to make it impossible for Frankie to win.
That's when production stepped in and said that Caleb would not be allowed, as he already chose to sit out the competition. You could say that's rigging, but it's equally fair to say that it was the right decision, as a player who quits a comp shouldn't be allowed to re-enter.
Also, production's job is to make good tv, and Frankie being the underdog of the comp and winning it was good tv.
And yeah, apparently they remade the comp to make it easier for one player, that's a whole other story of rigging.
I think the houseguests used to review all the chips in the bag before the ceremony so I doubt they could have feasibly left Eric out of it
I could be wrong but seemed that started after BB8. Although the feeds go down during the drawing so who knows. Would think tghey would have.
@@dantheman8103 oh maybe yeah. I know Ian has mentioned they all reviewed the chips each time in 14, but not 22.
How on earth has Helen never been brought back in any capacity is beyond belief.
i think it’s bc they try to erase the season from existence
Have you heard the theory that Willie from BB 14 was a production plant with the intention of him getting expelled all along as a way to get the coaches to play the game
Why did him being expelled need to be the catalyst for that?
has there been a time where someone didn’t open pandora’s box? i haven’t watched a lot of the early seasons, and i don’t remember seeing clips of anyone successfully not opening it
porche should’ve taken a nap or something while they were bugging her and keeping her in the room LMAO
Pandora's Box was opened every time!
@@Ethanimale wow!!! that’s so interesting, thanks for the response
Watched this while waiting for the cast. Great vid!
You forgot the most obvious one...the guinea pig question in BB9
Remind me what that was?
@@anniep3641 In BB 9 there was a question as part of a late game hoh comp that asked "is there a pre existing relationship still in the house?" The answer was surprisingly yes, and did not refer to players, but instead the pet Guinea pigs.
you feed the big brother fandom so well
Every day is Dolphincrash day
That stupid hamster (Guinea pig?) question from the lost bb season- season 9
Sharon wins season over Sheila, I believe if no hamster question.
@@mpm2010lbcSheila didn't win anything
Frl it was definitely a stretch
It’s shocking that the HOH in a good position didn’t believe that a twist would be beneficial for her. A twist is always meant to give the person on the bottom a chance to gain power
BB21 powers is likely correct! Me and my mom thought that when the powers was given in BB21 it sounded like the unused powers form BB20!
Looool that would be such a BB Production thing to do, push away a potential Nomination to only get them Nominated 😂
Tucker finding Mackenzie’s hidden card in BB26 so easily shows clear production interference. Who knows production hinted for Leah to use the veto on Angela and they probably told Tucker the same thing smh
That what's the "clench" clip from season 8 at the end of the video is HILARIOUS😂
idk, you're using some weird mental gymnastics to explain how porsche wasn't forced to open pandoras box, but just from the way you are describing it, i disagree. porsche was locked in the Hoh room for what you compared to as a "endurance comp" where she has to outlast production. but it's not a fair competition because production has access to anything they need and the houseguests don't. production could have kept her locked in there for as long as they needed to in order to get the result they wanted and we have no idea when, or if they would ever let up.
it was forced.
They would have had to let up eventually because otherwise the game comes to a stand still. Not necessarily forced as in she was heald at gun point, but definitely coerced
@@kerrysater157 that's a good way to put it.
i think porsche was badgered by production and just gave in to get them off her ass. kind of a shame that in the newer seasons there have been wasted twists and production didn't give the same energy there.
i'm extremely curious about how Eric and Cassie were chosen for those roles
As much as Im team Helen was pushed, you can see her feet were raised and Candice's were flat on the platform. She probably lost her balance or strained her legs from standing like that
Why can't we just believe helen when she says she wasn't pushed,
what benefits would she have lying about being pushed.
They are never bringing bb15 back anyway.
Maybe they paid her 😂 jk. Weird tho that they would get rid of her and jot the racist girl to calm controversy so I believe she wasnt pushed
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7:14 😂😂😂 he was trying it !!!
This is why I stopped watching this show years ago
love ur vids and my bb obsessed self can’t stop watching. if u ever need a video idea, i’d love to see a video breakdown of the brigade alliance since i did not watch that season!
Justice for Helen!! #HelenWasPushed
when he said the three words that actually matter thought he was gonna say ‘expect the unexpected’ missed opportunity frfr
Production told Derek X about The Cookout, and really pushed for him to compete for safety his final week.
There is no way if he was told about the Cookout he wouldn't have played the ROulette challenge, or told Claire he was not using the veto on her if he won because it would leave TIffany vulnerable. (SB was never putting up Tiffany but Tiff had everyone convinced that BS had it out for her among other things). Derrick did say that production hinted he should play for the roultte challenge for immunity which he didn't pick up on, and I have no problem believing that. But there is no way he played the way he did his last week if he was told all about the cookout.
This one makes no sense, Derek X was one of the most beloved houseguests and it would've been even better TV to see him be the last one standing and having The Cookout take him out and not SB. Derek simply played that week badly when he had chances to play for his safety
@@777L777E777 What didn't make sense, BB not being told about the cookout? I mean yeah no denying BB interferes but telling him about an alliance would be a new level even for that show. And obviously if anyone was mad BB didn't tell him well... fans can't complain about production interference if they are only against it when it helps people they don't like.
Big Brother 13 really is just a frustrating season. I don’t mind Rachel as the winner given how iconic she is, but the sheer amount of factors that worked in her favor that were outside of her control is frustrating. And while some of them don’t bother me much, I completely get Brendon using the veto on Rachel and Jeff getting his oh so glorious karmic eviction is great, it sucks that this was a factor that seemed manufactured by production to keep her around, and that is more problematic 🤦🏻♂️
Hayden is hella underrated
I mean it sucks that the producers try to change how things are going in the house but at the same time it’s a tv show and they have to make it entertaining
The endurance comp had me rolling
so if helen truly was paid off due to the racism, that’s still mega f’ed up considering she was the recipient, verse the offender :’(
Helen once tweeted to end this debate once and for all and said that she wasn't pushed.
This events don’t happen as organically as they’re portrayed. Producer is a polite term for puppet master.
i just finished watching bb15 for the first time 2 days ago and see helen is on the thumbnail 😂 excited to see what the conspiracy is with that
I wish they had Diamond Vetos in play more regularly (only when Veto game is random than physical in a season)
I would never open Pandoras Box if I was presented it. I would wait out the producers. It’s a game for money. You ain’t telling me shit.
Rachel winning is really upsetting
it was iconic
Shelly Moore should have won.
Hellen WASSSS PUSHEDDDDDD 😂
She was so pushed. I remember seeing that live n was all mad lmao
I’d argue that keeping someone somewhere until they change their mind /is/ forcing them… in the words of Dennis “it’s all about the implication “
The “Hayden” theory could apply to any player on any season. I feel that production can potentially influence any of the players in the diary room.
Yeah, many people confirmed that they knew they were being backdoored because of the questions productions ask
That's why for example, in Survivor Guatemala it's winner refused to talk strategy in their confessionals, because they knew that while it isn't that production is necesarilly rigging for some people, production does tend to try to influence in their desicion
I remember Spencer Clawson would NEVER tell the D.R. what he was planning to do. He felt like they tried to sway him or would use his vote somehow against him, so he was on to them during his season.
AYEEEE another upload baby!!
Funny that the Sabateur twist also created the Brigade
oh yeah what was that sam hand motion and power we kept hearing in the re-cap? 😂
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The cookout was the biggest scam in bb history, they had the winner picked before the season started, and the next season with what I call cookout 2.0 was even more hilarious
I need a part 2 honestly
Can't tell if this is a joke or not - but if it isn't a joke, I have like 7 other parts 😂
@@Ethanimale it was not a joke and I have been binge watching your channel ever since 🧍🏻♀️😭
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Wonder what BB25 cast will be?
rumors been crazy lol 👀
Idc if she was pushed or not, Helen better get that call to come back
Helen was pushed! But then why do we think there is a production person walking behind? Because of a shadow? If you look 15:13 the shadow is a long shadow that continues moving past the whole set, look at the floor and you see an extension of the shadow on the ground. It's a continual shadow that is probably something from the air blocking the sun. If they didn't want Helen to return for 'racial' reasons then why was this not the same for Candace? Ethanimale! Love your videos. Thanks!
Eric NEEDS a second chance
Totally agree. I think he would have won that season, except for Amercia voting and making him do stupid obvious stuff until he was discovered as the wonky vote by Danielle.
Sticking to BB8 I fully believe that America did not vote to have Eric save Dick from eviction, I fully believe production inserted themselves and then had Eric go around and save Dick from eviction
THe vote went Dick's way essentially every time. America bough the "bad boy with a heart of gold who was putting on an act because he LOOOVVEEDD his daughter!" Bs they were spewing. I hate Dick but I think America really did vote for Eric to vote out Dustin that week.
I remember Eric talking before about how he realized that America loved Dick and Danielle and so he started to play his game accordingly. Knowing he would stay in longer if he was a friend rather than an enemy.
I think Eric from BB8 was pushed as well. (If I recall the swason and guest correctly) He was America's Player then.
Has anyone actually asked Helen afterwards about this theory?
Porsche outlasts production & she gets robbed… she was FORCED, in terms of no other choice fr (not physically obviously Ethan😂😂😂) & Helen was touch to go or pushed i’m not blind 😤😭 she wasn’t even struggling ahaha
I agree Porsche got screwed but if they were pressuring her theoretically if she said no long enough they would have eventually had to move on. Although can't blame her for caving most would have.
Didn't Hayden nominate Annie because after Brendon won the VETO she was the person that was closest to both him and Rachel ? Even before the competition he was saying that if either Brendon or Rachel got off the block, he would put her up since she was in an alliance with them. I think it's farfetched for production to have anything to do with it...
One thing to note about Helen, though, is that on social media she not only said once that she wasn't pushed--but some time after, she INSISTED on not having been pushed, even though she had no reason to lie because her contract with CBS was already over, so she really could have gotten away with exposing them without any repercussions.
they seem to rely on timed comps more and more.. obviously the easiest type of comp to rig.
Sam s20 was too pure for this show 😂😂
Unfortunately Helen went on an interview to say she was not pushed. I can't remember which one it was but I'm sure the interview is floating somewhere