Namarasa needs to be applauded on his immense bravery and resilience in having these conversations. He has a genuine thirst to discover different traditions and their perspectives whilst remaining loyal to his gaudiya tradition. In doing so he is playing an important role in building unity and mutual respect between movements. Keep up the great work!
Amazing interview l, thank you to bring light to the Baul tradition. I personally met Parvati Baul in the west, we see her divine presence is deeply touching, she is clearly one who truly incorporates the essence of her path. It’s beautiful to hear in depth about this unique Gaudya tradition.❤
Thank you so much! Was waiting patiently to see this 🤍 Love your curiosity, openness, and humility to bring such lovely conversation with these great guests. Always something to learn and be inspired by. I definitely took many great messages from this.
When it comes to a combination of humility , simplicity and yet profundity Bauls are pretty much the benchmark. The thing about them is they don't even glorify their iconic figures beyond a point. Generally, disciples and sampradayas are like, we follow the greatest icon, etc. Bauls don't even say that. But Bauls are facing the challenge of lure of commercialisation. So happy to see that a stalwart lke Parvathy Baul is fixing this by reorienting the focus towards sadhana.
That's the problem, you forgot that pratyahara is not something you practice just like next 3 limbs of yoga. Those are stages yogi attains one after another through pranamayam. Pranamayam activates the parasympathetic nervous system which causes freeze response in the body, this stage of sense withdrawal is pratyahara which then deepens to dharana dhyan and samadhi. 22:52
17:10 Bhakti tradition, in all major Vaishnav schools, is rooted in the question of 'Who am I'. ‘ke āmi’, ‘kene āmāya jāre tāpa-traya’ ihā nāhi jāni - ‘kemane hita haya’ ‘sādhya’-‘sādhana’-tattva puchite nā jāni kṛpā kari’ saba tattva kaha ta’ āpani” Sanatan Goswami in his very first meeting asks Mahaprabhu, W ho am I, why do we suffer in this world? Please bestow me knowledge about sadhya sadhana tattva. So it is not that Bhakti is all emotions, and no intellectual enquiry.
Absolutely brilliant podcast! Thank you so much for peeling back the layers of Baul making it more understandable. Beautiful wisdom - Parvathy Maa is a great inspiration for all women 🙏🏻🩷
18:10 There is a reason why for Bhakti yogis, especially in the line of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, these other yogic practises dont occupy the primary importance, like the direct limbs of Bhakti. The very same Yogeshvar Shri Krishna, who describes Yoga in Gita and other places, draws a clear comparison. yuñjānānām abhaktānāṁ prāṇāyāmādibhir manaḥ akṣīṇa-vāsanaṁ rājan dṛśyate punar utthitam _The minds of nondevotees who engage in such practices as prāṇāyama are not fully cleansed of material desires. Thus, O King, material desires are again seen to arise in their minds_ *Shrimad Bhagavatam 10 Canto 51 Chp Shlok 60* Similar conclusions are found in Uddhava Gita, how Shri Krishna explains how the limbs of Bhakti Yoga are perfect and independent in themselves in giving the final result of Yoga practise. *So this clear priority, rather sole attention to direct limbs of Bhakti is rooted in Shri Krishna's conclusions, not mere sentiments.*
Definitely very beautiful, Each group or sampradaya has it's own logic that is pretty much "air-tight". I did see and feel the condition of that soul-if I may say, higher and more sincere than many I've encountered in my life with Gaudiya .( aside from some very beautiful and advanced Gaudiyas I knew personally)
I think it is beautiful how this prabhu invites all lineages (Bhaktimarg-mayavadis) Bauls (rejected by Mahaprabhu and Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur) and honors them and allows them to speak because they have faith in Mahaprabhu and also in kirtan and harinam. I suppose this is appreciated by Mahaprabu? That we offer respects to anyone who chants the holy name. How can we reconcile this without being fanatics? I personally have heard them sing and they are quite amazing and I felt a lot of shakti and bhakti.
I think, by hearing others, and presenting our side based on shastras and previous Acharyas, as far as possible. At the end of the day, even a person who I philosophically do not agree with, is not my en emy. 😊
Thank you. I understand the Baul path even better. Knowledge/philosophy/words are sign posts. We only know through the practice of following the signs posts. Sadhana.
We should not underestimate the importance of bona fide sampradaya . That's why srila prabhupada emphasized it for those who wish to reach a certain destination. I feel different traditions cultural nuances are fine but the destinations are different. I trust srila prabhupada what he says regarding the apasampradayas and it is not ever meant to disrespect them but rather fir us to know the differences and discriminate and clarify what us needed to succeed in the practice that mahaprabhu enunciated.
You know what, keep side Prabhupada's introduction to the translation of the Geeta for a bit and try finding actual scriptural back up of your "bonafide" Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya parampara before calling anybody out on their tradition. If you are honest and not bli nd, you will soon realize make-believe is what you guys are thriving on.
@@JohnE-qb5cf If you can whole heartedly believe that Madhvacharya is the successor of Vyasa's tradition as Vyasa ceritified Madhvacharya's Brahmasutra commentry, based on some signature of attestation that Madhvacharya claimed was Vyasa's and there was no one verify that other than Madhvacharya, then you can believe whatever you want as "bonafide" (except for, of course, other traditions).
Gaudiya musicology and Baul musicology are historically intertwined. The famous Radha Damodhar party employed Baul instruments in the 70s. The Bauls should take a hint and incorporate more Hari Nama in their repertoire. Their world stage will increase and they will benefit spiritually.
Lamplight glows on old guitars the travellers strum Incense children dance to an Indian drum Here Odysseus charmed for dark Circe fell Still her perfume lingers still her spell
The interviewer had no patience to listen philosophical background and makes conclusions from here and there taken philosophy but don’t want to listen the tatvas discuss in depth
The Baul traction is much closer to the goal of Advaita Vedanta ( Mayavvadi) than the Gaudya Bhakti traction. They use Bhakti as a path to merging w the divine which is ultimately our own essence. They don’t believe that you die and go to another world as a separate entity from God.
Prabhupāda: Sakhībekhī. There are so many apasampradāyas, thirteen at least in the counting by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura = āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībekhī. This sakhībekhī. Smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ativāḍī, cūḍādhārī, gaurāṅga-nāgarī. These thirteen, fourteen apasampradāyas. They are passing as Caitanya Mahāprabhu's sampradāya. But they're the worst, rejected. The sakhībekhī, dressing like... To cheat Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is after the gopīs, so they have dressed like gopī, and Kṛṣṇa does not know that he's a rascal man. [laughter] Just see. This is their intelligence, to... "I have become a sakhī. Kṛṣṇa will embrace me and kiss me." So Kṛṣṇa is so fool. [laughs] [laughter] These rascals are doing that. Sakhībhekhī. There was a Lalitā-sakhi in Navadvīpa. All women surrounding him. Somebody is dressing him with red..., what is called? vedabase
The audacity of people in the comments to call out other traditions as 'asampradaya'! I wouldn't comment something like this, but it is hilarious, pathetic, and infact, ironic, that followers of Prabhupada would be questioning the authenticity or bona-fideness of any tradition, while all the proof they have of their "bonafide lineage" is a make-believe list of names in the preface of Prabhupada's Geeta translation. Can any Prabhupada's follower here prove the authenticity of their tradition from the scriptures? All your "bonafideness" claims root from an fanciful connection to Madhvacharya (the Madva mutts officially claimed it to be fanciful), not to mention, the "bonafideness" of Madhvacharya's own tradition is solely based on an unverifiable claim that Vyasa attested Madhvacharya's Brahma sutra commentry privately in a cave, with nobody the witness it except Madhvacharya. Again, lets not forget Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was initiated into Sanyasa by a "mayavadi" sanyasi (probably the only thing that gives that tradition some validity).
"The bauliyas, or baulas, are one of thirteen unauthorized sects that pass as followers of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The Lord ordered Govinda, His personal assistant, not to allow Kamalakanta Visvasa to come in His presence because he had become a bauliya. Thus although the baula-sampradaya, aula-sampradaya and sahajiya-sampradaya, as well as the smartas, jata-gosanis, atibadis, cudadharis and gauranga-nagaris, claim to belong to the disciplic succession of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the Lord actually rejected them. Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi lila 12:3 Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
"The Bāulas are a group of pseudo-Vaiṣṇavas who roam the countryside of Bengal singing songs, playing an ektar (a one-stringed instrument). The gaiety of the Bāulas and their down to earth village songs had a strong influence upon the educated classes of Bengal, and in particular with the famous Bengali poet Rabindranatha Tagore, who popularised them. The beliefs of the Bāulas are a mix of Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇavism, Sufi Islam and impersonalism, thus they are actually opposed to the pure teachings of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. They opine that no scripture, priest, temple or mosque can help one find God. One has to create ones own path to discover the Divine. At the centre of the Bāula philosophy is the concept that the material human body is divine and sexual practices are of major importance to them. The Bāula finds a female partner (or partners) known as a bośtomi, and identifies himself with Kṛṣṇa and his female follower as Rādhā. Some of their sexual practices are kept hidden as they are considered to be extremely repulsive to ordinary people." From Introduction to Baula Sangita, a songbook by Bhaktivinoda Thakur
Reports indicate that the activities of your kind in Vrindavan are even worse than that and that you carry out these illicit activities under the shelter of ISKCON itself. Making life highly unsafe for any genuine devotees is not a wise course of action. You would be wiser to withdraw from the region entirely and return to your own country. All you are doing here is posing as something you are not.
Apasampradayas are also empowered by Lord Nityananda to reach there where no one else can! These baul people have reached the villages, whereas Iskcon the poster child of Gaudiya Vaishnavism is more into urban areas, especially in India.
The Words of A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada are not important. The words of Lord Chaitanya and the Goswamis are also not important. What is important is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusiveness. People we are living in 2024 . The real Dharma comes from the Democratic Left of America. Too bad The King put a spike in the wheels of " De-mockracy " and Abortion By the King, I mean Donald J Trump
Namarasa needs to be applauded on his immense bravery and resilience in having these conversations. He has a genuine thirst to discover different traditions and their perspectives whilst remaining loyal to his gaudiya tradition. In doing so he is playing an important role in building unity and mutual respect between movements. Keep up the great work!
My gosh, she is so humble! Tears are flowing down my cheeks. Amazing string of guests lately Namrasa Prabhu🙏
Thanks for the great conversation again!
Amazing interview l, thank you to bring light to the Baul tradition. I personally met Parvati Baul in the west, we see her divine presence is deeply touching, she is clearly one who truly incorporates the essence of her path. It’s beautiful to hear in depth about this unique Gaudya tradition.❤
Great you have invited Parvathy Baul. very nice exchange.
Thank you so much! Was waiting patiently to see this 🤍 Love your curiosity, openness, and humility to bring such lovely conversation with these great guests. Always something to learn and be inspired by. I definitely took many great messages from this.
Amazing sharing , always warms my heart to hear Parvati Baul ❤️
When it comes to a combination of humility , simplicity and yet profundity Bauls are pretty much the benchmark. The thing about them is they don't even glorify their iconic figures beyond a point. Generally, disciples and sampradayas are like, we follow the greatest icon, etc. Bauls don't even say that. But Bauls are facing the challenge of lure of commercialisation. So happy to see that a stalwart lke Parvathy Baul is fixing this by reorienting the focus towards sadhana.
That's the problem, you forgot that pratyahara is not something you practice just like next 3 limbs of yoga. Those are stages yogi attains one after another through pranamayam. Pranamayam activates the parasympathetic nervous system which causes freeze response in the body, this stage of sense withdrawal is pratyahara which then deepens to dharana dhyan and samadhi. 22:52
Thank you for this explanation of sahajiyana!!
My favorite episode this far! Thank you VERY VERY MUCH.
No way this is such a cool interview never would have thought would take place
17:10 Bhakti tradition, in all major Vaishnav schools, is rooted in the question of 'Who am I'.
‘ke āmi’, ‘kene āmāya jāre tāpa-traya’
ihā nāhi jāni - ‘kemane hita haya’
‘sādhya’-‘sādhana’-tattva puchite nā jāni
kṛpā kari’ saba tattva kaha ta’ āpani”
Sanatan Goswami in his very first meeting asks Mahaprabhu, W ho am I, why do we suffer in this world? Please bestow me knowledge about sadhya sadhana tattva.
So it is not that Bhakti is all emotions, and no intellectual enquiry.
I think he was referring to the fact that the endeavour to attain atma jnana is a part of jnana marga, not a part of bhakti marga.
Radhe Radhe 🌹🌹🌹
Sahaja came from Vajrayana Buddhism?...interesting factoid!!
I'm trying to do Pratyahara from coffee...I cant beleive how difficult it is...😮
Chant the holy names of the Lord it will give you strength..
@nitaipadakamala2459 yeah I'm doing that thanks,Hare Krsna.
Interesting everything seems to be devotion and Love the point of all Spiritual practice is the goal.
Desperately waiting for the divine words of love and devotion ❤️😊
Absolutely brilliant podcast! Thank you so much for peeling back the layers of Baul making it more understandable. Beautiful wisdom - Parvathy Maa is a great inspiration for all women 🙏🏻🩷
@@karenharbeck3477 ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽
18:10 There is a reason why for Bhakti yogis, especially in the line of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, these other yogic practises dont occupy the primary importance, like the direct limbs of Bhakti.
The very same Yogeshvar Shri Krishna, who describes Yoga in Gita and other places, draws a clear comparison.
yuñjānānām abhaktānāṁ
prāṇāyāmādibhir manaḥ
akṣīṇa-vāsanaṁ rājan
dṛśyate punar utthitam
_The minds of nondevotees who engage in such practices as prāṇāyama are not fully cleansed of material desires. Thus, O King, material desires are again seen to arise in their minds_ *Shrimad Bhagavatam 10 Canto 51 Chp Shlok 60*
Similar conclusions are found in Uddhava Gita, how Shri Krishna explains how the limbs of Bhakti Yoga are perfect and independent in themselves in giving the final result of Yoga practise.
*So this clear priority, rather sole attention to direct limbs of Bhakti is rooted in Shri Krishna's conclusions, not mere sentiments.*
Is the GV goal to worship Krishna as yogesvara or as paramkamadev, Rasaraja, Madanamohan?
Jai Divine Lover! When will you steal my heart away?
Definitely very beautiful, Each group or sampradaya has it's own logic that is pretty much "air-tight". I did see and feel the condition of that soul-if I may say, higher and more sincere than many I've encountered in my life with Gaudiya .( aside from some very beautiful and advanced Gaudiyas I knew personally)
I think it is beautiful how this prabhu invites all lineages (Bhaktimarg-mayavadis) Bauls (rejected by Mahaprabhu and Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur) and honors them and allows them to speak because they have faith in Mahaprabhu and also in kirtan and harinam. I suppose this is appreciated by Mahaprabu? That we offer respects to anyone who chants the holy name. How can we reconcile this without being fanatics? I personally have heard them sing and they are quite amazing and I felt a lot of shakti and bhakti.
I think, by hearing others, and presenting our side based on shastras and previous Acharyas, as far as possible.
At the end of the day, even a person who I philosophically do not agree with, is not my en emy. 😊
The Bauls are really post Mahaprabhu. Bhaktivinode was comparing siddhantas only and wrote some songs in Baul style.
Thank you. I understand the Baul path even better. Knowledge/philosophy/words are sign posts. We only know through the practice of following the signs posts. Sadhana.
Joy Guru Joy Maa Joy Baba 🌹 🙏 😊
Bhajo Guru Gaurango
Radha Govindo
Brahmo Narayano
Hare Krsna Ram
Hare Krsna Ram Japo
Hare Krsna Ram
Hare Krsna Ram Bhajo
Hare Krsna Ram
JAI! What a great interview!
❤❤❤
Looking forward to it.
JoyGuru
We should not underestimate the importance of bona fide sampradaya . That's why srila prabhupada emphasized it for those who wish to reach a certain destination. I feel different traditions cultural nuances are fine but the destinations are different. I trust srila prabhupada what he says regarding the apasampradayas and it is not ever meant to disrespect them but rather fir us to know the differences and discriminate and clarify what us needed to succeed in the practice that mahaprabhu enunciated.
You know Bhaktisiddhanta Swami just gave himself sanyas, right? That seems “bonafide” to you?
Iskconites live in such child like delusions!
You know what, keep side Prabhupada's introduction to the translation of the Geeta for a bit and try finding actual scriptural back up of your "bonafide" Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya parampara before calling anybody out on their tradition. If you are honest and not bli nd, you will soon realize make-believe is what you guys are thriving on.
@@JohnE-qb5cf If you can whole heartedly believe that Madhvacharya is the successor of Vyasa's tradition as Vyasa ceritified Madhvacharya's Brahmasutra commentry, based on some signature of attestation that Madhvacharya claimed was Vyasa's and there was no one verify that other than Madhvacharya, then you can believe whatever you want as "bonafide" (except for, of course, other traditions).
@@hellobye5097nothin' like bashing a world famous Vaishnava like Srila Prabhupada, right? 😮
Pls call *H.G AMOGH LILA PRABHU*
@@geetagrover1980 he has to come to my house in New Jersey USA. Please arrange.
Not after his racist comments on black people
So, Its time to let go of old propaganda against bauls.
This was mic drop amazing very inspiring
Joy Guru Ma. Amar pronam niyo 🙏🏾
Birdy num num
Gaudiya musicology and Baul musicology are historically intertwined. The famous Radha Damodhar party employed Baul instruments in the 70s. The Bauls should take a hint and incorporate more Hari Nama in their repertoire. Their world stage will increase and they will benefit spiritually.
Lamplight glows on old guitars the travellers strum
Incense children dance to an Indian drum
Here Odysseus charmed for dark Circe fell
Still her perfume lingers still her spell
Beautiful!
The interviewer had no patience to listen philosophical background and makes conclusions from here and there taken philosophy but don’t want to listen the tatvas discuss in depth
Sahajiya ki jay!
😆
No
@@sanjayavamachaari623 I sing Sahajiya Sampradaya ki jay! And I dont care if someone on the internet says no.
So grateful namrasa has moved out of just Iskcon. Devotees.
@@radhikaschwartz3499 I did non iskcon guests starting on episode #30. Now I’m on #165… where have you been sleepy head?
The Baul traction is much closer to the goal of Advaita Vedanta ( Mayavvadi) than the Gaudya Bhakti traction. They use Bhakti as a path to merging w the divine which is ultimately our own essence. They don’t believe that you die and go to another world as a separate entity from God.
Prabhupāda: Sakhībekhī. There are so many apasampradāyas, thirteen at least in the counting by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura = āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībekhī. This sakhībekhī. Smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ativāḍī, cūḍādhārī, gaurāṅga-nāgarī. These thirteen, fourteen apasampradāyas. They are passing as Caitanya Mahāprabhu's sampradāya. But they're the worst, rejected. The sakhībekhī, dressing like... To cheat Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is after the gopīs, so they have dressed like gopī, and Kṛṣṇa does not know that he's a rascal man. [laughter] Just see. This is their intelligence, to... "I have become a sakhī. Kṛṣṇa will embrace me and kiss me." So Kṛṣṇa is so fool. [laughs] [laughter] These rascals are doing that. Sakhībhekhī. There was a Lalitā-sakhi in Navadvīpa. All women surrounding him. Somebody is dressing him with red..., what is called?
vedabase
The audacity of people in the comments to call out other traditions as 'asampradaya'!
I wouldn't comment something like this, but it is hilarious, pathetic, and infact, ironic, that followers of Prabhupada would be questioning the authenticity or bona-fideness of any tradition, while all the proof they have of their "bonafide lineage" is a make-believe list of names in the preface of Prabhupada's Geeta translation.
Can any Prabhupada's follower here prove the authenticity of their tradition from the scriptures?
All your "bonafideness" claims root from an fanciful connection to Madhvacharya (the Madva mutts officially claimed it to be fanciful), not to mention, the "bonafideness" of Madhvacharya's own tradition is solely based on an unverifiable claim that Vyasa attested Madhvacharya's Brahma sutra commentry privately in a cave, with nobody the witness it except Madhvacharya. Again, lets not forget Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was initiated into Sanyasa by a "mayavadi" sanyasi (probably the only thing that gives that tradition some validity).
What is the point of giving a platform to apa-sampradayas on a Vaishnava podcast?
What is the point of asking this question and even worse what is the point of my replying?
"The bauliyas, or baulas, are one of thirteen unauthorized sects that pass as followers of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The Lord ordered Govinda, His personal assistant, not to allow Kamalakanta Visvasa to come in His presence because he had become a bauliya. Thus although the baula-sampradaya, aula-sampradaya and sahajiya-sampradaya, as well as the smartas, jata-gosanis, atibadis, cudadharis and gauranga-nagaris, claim to belong to the disciplic succession of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the Lord actually rejected them.
Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi lila 12:3
Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
"The Bāulas are a group of pseudo-Vaiṣṇavas who roam the countryside of Bengal singing songs, playing an ektar (a one-stringed instrument). The gaiety of the Bāulas and their down to earth village songs had a strong influence upon the educated classes of Bengal, and in particular with the famous Bengali poet Rabindranatha Tagore, who popularised them.
The beliefs of the Bāulas are a mix of Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇavism, Sufi Islam and impersonalism, thus they are actually opposed to the pure teachings of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. They opine that no scripture, priest, temple or mosque can help one find God. One has to create ones own path to discover the Divine. At the centre of the Bāula philosophy is the concept that the material human body is divine and sexual practices are of major importance to them. The Bāula finds a female partner (or partners) known as a bośtomi, and identifies himself with Kṛṣṇa and his female follower as Rādhā. Some of their sexual practices are kept hidden as they are considered to be extremely repulsive to ordinary people."
From Introduction to Baula Sangita, a songbook by Bhaktivinoda Thakur
Reports indicate that the activities of your kind in Vrindavan are even worse than that and that you carry out these illicit activities under the shelter of ISKCON itself. Making life highly unsafe for any genuine devotees is not a wise course of action. You would be wiser to withdraw from the region entirely and return to your own country. All you are doing here is posing as something you are not.
There is no point.
NAMRAS PRABHU JI KI JAYY
Apasampradayas are also empowered by Lord Nityananda to reach there where no one else can! These baul people have reached the villages, whereas Iskcon the poster child of Gaudiya Vaishnavism is more into urban areas, especially in India.
The Words of A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada are not important. The words of Lord Chaitanya and the Goswamis are also not important.
What is important is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusiveness. People we are living in 2024 . The real Dharma comes from the Democratic Left of America.
Too bad The King put a spike in the wheels of " De-mockracy " and Abortion
By the King, I mean Donald J Trump
Never would have thought we'd have someone invoking DT in this discussion. Wow.