You are correct about the lack of understanding about manufacturing. Over the many years I have worked as a machinist. People would ask me what I did for a living. I would say I'm a machinist. Almost without exception they would reply, O you work on cars. (Not that working on cars is not good and necessary) I would have to correct them and explain. No not cars in the manufacturing of parts for Petro chem, aerospace, semiconductor and medical to name a few industries. I would also tell them as a career this could for anyone be a alternate, or even better way than going thru the whole collage thing. Often you can work get paid and trained all at the same time, (and not have a big collage debt) So you can move up the scale while earning a living. So if you apply yourself and get to top pay quickly, in your lifetime you can earn more than many professional people do. Both my sister (A medical doctor) and brother (Electrical engineer and degree in Physics) are proof. I have made more money in my life than them being a Machinist/business owner. When I was young in school people use to tell you. In order to amount to something you need to go to collage and get a degree. But fortunately my father (Instrument engineer) recognized there is another path. So he let me pursue my path. I guess we found out during the pandemic what jobs were really necessary didn't we. There was no lockdown for manufacturing jobs here in Texas anyway.
No lockdown for us. We actually got busier and successfully started another branch of our shop. The new branch does work for the food industry and we build large grinders for steel mills and such so we got some fancy pieces of paper designating us as a essential business and all that fun stuff.
6.5 years of college. Computer science and electronic engineering degrees. After 50 years in the field, I encourage all my techie friends to skip college; find something they like and go all in. With people like you and those on TH-cam you can learn anything/everything you want to get started. Books can fill in the fine details. Practice and making errors complete the process. This is a most exciting time for those who are interested in machining, science and technology!
I went to college, it just wasn't for me. I'm more adept at on the job training and physically working through obstacle and problems. The issue I've run into with more than 80% of the graduates of the WSU Tech program that I've trained is that they have no practical knowledge. They've only really thought about matching in the abstract or have invested too heavily in the theory of what they're attempting. They had zero experience with an actual work center and were unable to adapt to the manufacturing aspect of aerospace machining. They were, and I'm not being rude, button pushers with $5k worth of schooling.
@@your_belief_vs_everything i tend to agree schooling has a lot of room for improvement. When i went to ranken of course there were things that could be better but all in all i felt it was a good experience and i learned a lot. We've hired 2 kids from swic and off the batt man it was rough. One kid turned around pretty good although it took a while. Another kid was nice as hell but couldn't do math to save his life and yet he graduated the machining program. He had to write out a long hand subtraction formula for a set of numbers that were only 5 digits apart. The one kid said his teacher only ever checked his parts with a 6" scale. But I've heard ranken has lowered the bar a lot too. I feel its more about getting enrollment and graduations than actually setting kids up for success.
This is BEYOND awesome! I help out with our middle school Lego program as well as the Highschool robots, and this is a video they are gonna watch this year...show them what is beyond the lego relm. I also have a Highschool and middle school boy that have 'man crushes' on the "BOM and the Johns" (Saunders and Grimsmo). We are in northern Illinois, and can't thank you enough...and the folk at SWIC enough...for opening my boys eyes....Thank YOU
It was awesome to compete in the competition and talk to/meet great people such as yourself and @Caleb Gullion with the warhawks who I seen commented in here already, I’m ready to see what the competition has to throw at us next year, SWIC will be ready to win!
Awesome video. I am a Industrial Ed teacher in Southern Illinois an I have had the opportunity to have Mark and SWIC visit our school and I must say the trailer is awesome and the instructors that come out with it are extremely passionate about what they do. Hopefully with our new tormach 440 we can inspire a new group of machinist.
Hi John, you should really check out some formula sae / formula student teams. Manufacturing is a big part of those projects but they also have to design, validate, build and run their self-developed racecar. Competitions are held all around the world. Scoring does not only include the cars performance but also the engineering, manufacturing, cost, buissness plan and the cars reliability. You will be amazed about the love, effort and hard work those students put into their education :)
Wish I had known you were in town, would have bought you a steak. You have been a great influence on me, I'm 76 and have an 1100 Tormach and a WSU grad. We have a drag race car that we show to schools to encourage trade school knowledge to students. Thanks again!!!
In the past 2 years I have trained more people on the job than I did in the 14 years previous. I've had guys with 15 years experience come to my shop and they were glorified button pushers with seriously lacking understanding of the fundamentals. But hey, everyone has more to learn and I never take that for granted.
The utmost respect for the gentleman from St. Louis. I hate that city. Lived there 9 years. For him to resist the culture that does not aspire to greatness was a very difficult challenge.
You think WSU would produce better graduates then. As far as I've seen the grads from the programing course are worth their weight but the machinists they turn out are very lacking.
This is just awesome! The shame of this is that our country has allowed a vacuum to develop in this and other industries. The reality is the US is not the leader in some of these fields. I'm glad that programs like this are slowly coming into fruition.
After watching this my only question would be, who made the decision to remove and dismantle vocational arts (shop) classes from high school in the first place? And what was their rational?
Money. Not to mention the reality that high school administrators want their students to go to the university, not shop class. No one in the schools brag about the kid that barely graduated, became a machinist, and now owns there own shop. But they brag about all the ones they sent to the University regardless of what they did after that.
@@bdabincustom1350 Which reminds me of an old saying I heard a long time ago. "The 'A' students are your professionals, doctors and lawyers. The 'B' students are your accountants and teachers. The 'C' and 'D' students have all the money.
The other thing is machine shops and all that, they're expensive as hell and carry a lot of liability and risk. A lot cheaper to stick to desks, books, and pencils and hiring academics.
@@bdabincustom1350 true. More and more kids get pushed into expensive and often useless degrees from universities. Meanwhile we are seeing less and less skilled and qualified plumbers, carpenters and the like.
These programs are exciting and I wonder where I’d be now if such a thing existed when I was in school. (I’m in no way unhappy with how it all turned out, BTW.) And if jobs can be brought back to the US I’m all for it. But one thing I wonder is, and would love to see addressed, is are there jobs waiting for these folks? Secure jobs, long term jobs? Jobs with bright futures and advancement possibilities? And how many of them? There are more journalism students than working journalists, for instance. We apparently have an over abundance of veterinary school and law school graduates. I would be grateful for some analysis of where all this may be going. The federal government used to publish such an analysis. I don’t know if it’s still done. What’s the real world look like out there, now and in the future? And let’s be clear that these jobs are not low-skill or semi-skilled labor like many of the now gone factory jobs of yesteryear. Those jobs cannot and will not return so people bear some personal responsibility to train and work hard enough to fill these jobs.
HI I LOVE TO WHICH YOUR VIDEOS THAY KEEP ME MOTIVATED ON THE MACHINING WORLD WHICH IS ONE OF THE THING I LIKE TO DO AND I LIKE TO WORK ON CARS AS WILL YOU ARE GAVE THE KNOWLEDGE I NEED TO START MY OWN BUSINESS USEING MACHINING AND CAR REPARE TOGETHER THANK YOU AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Hold on a sec - the Weld Like A Girl page has the following statement : "Note: Gentlemen (not jerks) may attend most classes at Weld Like A Girl™. If a class is NOT co-ed, it will be clearly marked on the Events page." Does this mean that some classes are, indeed, discriminating participants based on their genitals ?
Yes. It's true. Instead of integrating women into welding they have created a stupid little "safe space" amd then told men they're unwelcome if they don't conform.
@@minibigs5259 really? How's this for a class "Weld like a Dude, ladies (not nagging harpies) may attend". It's bullshit and most women don't want to do this hard work. I've been a machinist almost 17yrs and my aunt just retired from Boeing after 30 and there are very few women in that field. Not because they aren't allowed, because they don't want to do it. Stop pretending all women have the same interests or aspirations as men and stop trying to force them together.
@@minibigs5259 Hello - but what do you mean by "just" though ? I genuinely can't see how a welding class could ever be justly sexually segregated. (Please keep in mind that not everyone here is american, and may live in countries where such concepts are not only completely alien, but also illegal).
Everyone I've worked with from WSU Tech are woefully unskilled or under skilled. I am in no way negating the positive benefits of these programs but it's just an observation from a skilled machinist with 16 years on the job experience.
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It was great to meet you, I really appreciate all of the feedback you gave us. We need more people like you who are willing to give back.
Hope your doing well!
@@connorb7868 meet me at the gazebo
You are correct about the lack of understanding about manufacturing. Over the many years I have worked as a machinist. People would ask me what I did for a living. I would say I'm a machinist. Almost without exception they would reply, O you work on cars. (Not that working on cars is not good and necessary) I would have to correct them and explain. No not cars in the manufacturing of parts for Petro chem, aerospace, semiconductor and medical to name a few industries. I would also tell them as a career this could for anyone be a alternate, or even better way than going thru the whole collage thing. Often you can work get paid and trained all at the same time, (and not have a big collage debt) So you can move up the scale while earning a living. So if you apply yourself and get to top pay quickly, in your lifetime you can earn more than many professional people do. Both my sister (A medical doctor) and brother (Electrical engineer and degree in Physics) are proof. I have made more money in my life than them being a Machinist/business owner. When I was young in school people use to tell you. In order to amount to something you need to go to collage and get a degree. But fortunately my father (Instrument engineer) recognized there is another path. So he let me pursue my path. I guess we found out during the pandemic what jobs were really necessary didn't we. There was no lockdown for manufacturing jobs here in Texas anyway.
No lockdown for us. We actually got busier and successfully started another branch of our shop. The new branch does work for the food industry and we build large grinders for steel mills and such so we got some fancy pieces of paper designating us as a essential business and all that fun stuff.
6.5 years of college. Computer science and electronic engineering degrees. After 50 years in the field, I encourage all my techie friends to skip college; find something they like and go all in. With people like you and those on TH-cam you can learn anything/everything you want to get started. Books can fill in the fine details. Practice and making errors complete the process. This is a most exciting time for those who are interested in machining, science and technology!
I went to college, it just wasn't for me. I'm more adept at on the job training and physically working through obstacle and problems. The issue I've run into with more than 80% of the graduates of the WSU Tech program that I've trained is that they have no practical knowledge. They've only really thought about matching in the abstract or have invested too heavily in the theory of what they're attempting. They had zero experience with an actual work center and were unable to adapt to the manufacturing aspect of aerospace machining. They were, and I'm not being rude, button pushers with $5k worth of schooling.
@@your_belief_vs_everything i tend to agree schooling has a lot of room for improvement. When i went to ranken of course there were things that could be better but all in all i felt it was a good experience and i learned a lot. We've hired 2 kids from swic and off the batt man it was rough. One kid turned around pretty good although it took a while. Another kid was nice as hell but couldn't do math to save his life and yet he graduated the machining program. He had to write out a long hand subtraction formula for a set of numbers that were only 5 digits apart. The one kid said his teacher only ever checked his parts with a 6" scale. But I've heard ranken has lowered the bar a lot too. I feel its more about getting enrollment and graduations than actually setting kids up for success.
This is BEYOND awesome! I help out with our middle school Lego program as well as the Highschool robots, and this is a video they are gonna watch this year...show them what is beyond the lego relm. I also have a Highschool and middle school boy that have 'man crushes' on the "BOM and the Johns" (Saunders and Grimsmo). We are in northern Illinois, and can't thank you enough...and the folk at SWIC enough...for opening my boys eyes....Thank YOU
I was one of the camera operators on the show, and I just wanted to say that you were a joy to work with.
Machining and manufacturing saved my life too man, it's a rewarding trade.
It was awesome to compete in the competition and talk to/meet great people such as yourself and @Caleb Gullion with the warhawks who I seen commented in here already, I’m ready to see what the competition has to throw at us next year, SWIC will be ready to win!
Awesome video. I am a Industrial Ed teacher in Southern Illinois an I have had the opportunity to have Mark and SWIC visit our school and I must say the trailer is awesome and the instructors that come out with it are extremely passionate about what they do. Hopefully with our new tormach 440 we can inspire a new group of machinist.
Absolutely inspiring John. Thank you!
Hi John, you should really check out some formula sae / formula student teams. Manufacturing is a big part of those projects but they also have to design, validate, build and run their self-developed racecar. Competitions are held all around the world. Scoring does not only include the cars performance but also the engineering, manufacturing, cost, buissness plan and the cars reliability. You will be amazed about the love, effort and hard work those students put into their education :)
Nice anothe video
Glad you are putting more out now
Wish I had known you were in town, would have bought you a steak. You have been a great influence on me, I'm 76 and have an 1100 Tormach and a WSU grad. We have a drag race car that we show to schools to encourage trade school knowledge to students. Thanks again!!!
Brilliant, a super brilliant interesting inspiring video, thank you 👍😊
Wish there was more job place that allow more apprentice than button pusher. Let's make America great again.
In the past 2 years I have trained more people on the job than I did in the 14 years previous. I've had guys with 15 years experience come to my shop and they were glorified button pushers with seriously lacking understanding of the fundamentals. But hey, everyone has more to learn and I never take that for granted.
I see my Langmuir systems fixture plate in the background :D
The utmost respect for the gentleman from St. Louis. I hate that city. Lived there 9 years. For him to resist the culture that does not aspire to greatness was a very difficult challenge.
Wichita isn't the secret aviation capitol of the world, it's just the forgotten aviation capitol
You think WSU would produce better graduates then. As far as I've seen the grads from the programing course are worth their weight but the machinists they turn out are very lacking.
Shout out to those Red Shirts! Did I hear SWICC say they did that 2 piece fan 4 other times?
This is just awesome! The shame of this is that our country has allowed a vacuum to develop in this and other industries. The reality is the US is not the leader in some of these fields. I'm glad that programs like this are slowly coming into fruition.
After watching this my only question would be, who made the decision to remove and dismantle vocational arts (shop) classes from high school in the first place? And what was their rational?
Money. Not to mention the reality that high school administrators want their students to go to the university, not shop class. No one in the schools brag about the kid that barely graduated, became a machinist, and now owns there own shop. But they brag about all the ones they sent to the University regardless of what they did after that.
@@bdabincustom1350 Which reminds me of an old saying I heard a long time ago. "The 'A' students are your professionals, doctors and lawyers. The 'B' students are your accountants and teachers. The 'C' and 'D' students have all the money.
The other thing is machine shops and all that, they're expensive as hell and carry a lot of liability and risk. A lot cheaper to stick to desks, books, and pencils and hiring academics.
@@bdabincustom1350 true. More and more kids get pushed into expensive and often useless degrees from universities. Meanwhile we are seeing less and less skilled and qualified plumbers, carpenters and the like.
@@scottwatrous even though those butts in seats behind desks perform no real duty and create no tangible products of purpose much of the time.
These programs are exciting and I wonder where I’d be now if such a thing existed when I was in school. (I’m in no way unhappy with how it all turned out, BTW.) And if jobs can be brought back to the US I’m all for it. But one thing I wonder is, and would love to see addressed, is are there jobs waiting for these folks? Secure jobs, long term jobs? Jobs with bright futures and advancement possibilities? And how many of them? There are more journalism students than working journalists, for instance. We apparently have an over abundance of veterinary school and law school graduates. I would be grateful for some analysis of where all this may be going. The federal government used to publish such an analysis. I don’t know if it’s still done. What’s the real world look like out there, now and in the future? And let’s be clear that these jobs are not low-skill or semi-skilled labor like many of the now gone factory jobs of yesteryear. Those jobs cannot and will not return so people bear some personal responsibility to train and work hard enough to fill these jobs.
Swic is about 20 mins from me. I went to ranken which is also in st louis.
Should be Project FNG
HI I LOVE TO WHICH YOUR VIDEOS THAY KEEP ME MOTIVATED ON THE MACHINING WORLD WHICH IS ONE OF THE THING I LIKE TO DO AND I LIKE TO WORK ON CARS AS WILL YOU ARE GAVE THE KNOWLEDGE I NEED TO START MY OWN BUSINESS USEING MACHINING AND CAR REPARE TOGETHER THANK YOU AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
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Do you know a company that makes good reliable sheet metal bender hydraulic ?
Hold on a sec - the Weld Like A Girl page has the following statement :
"Note: Gentlemen (not jerks) may attend most classes at Weld Like A Girl™. If a class is NOT co-ed, it will be clearly marked on the Events page."
Does this mean that some classes are, indeed, discriminating participants based on their genitals ?
No, because there's nothing unjust implied.
Yes. It's true. Instead of integrating women into welding they have created a stupid little "safe space" amd then told men they're unwelcome if they don't conform.
@@minibigs5259 really? How's this for a class
"Weld like a Dude, ladies (not nagging harpies) may attend".
It's bullshit and most women don't want to do this hard work. I've been a machinist almost 17yrs and my aunt just retired from Boeing after 30 and there are very few women in that field. Not because they aren't allowed, because they don't want to do it. Stop pretending all women have the same interests or aspirations as men and stop trying to force them together.
@@your_belief_vs_everything you demonstrate their point eloquently. I'm also glad your aunty inspired you to go in to engineering
@@minibigs5259 Hello - but what do you mean by "just" though ? I genuinely can't see how a welding class could ever be justly sexually segregated. (Please keep in mind that not everyone here is american, and may live in countries where such concepts are not only completely alien, but also illegal).
Everyone I've worked with from WSU Tech are woefully unskilled or under skilled. I am in no way negating the positive benefits of these programs but it's just an observation from a skilled machinist with 16 years on the job experience.