Yep. The interviewer had a terrible knack of interrupting Penrose every time he was getting to an interesting point. And the question he interrupted with was always some fatuous piece of bullsh*t.
So true! There were many fabulous points that Roger Penrose was carefully crafting only to be interrupted by the most ludicrous, non sequitur questions. It was as if the interviewer was not listening to Mr. Penrose. It was terribly frustrating. At one point, Mr. Penrose ignored the interviewer’s question and forged ahead with his point, which was regarding twisters and left-handedness/right-handedness.
Thank you Mr. Interviewer for bringing us this amazing content but next time kindly read a bit and enlighten yourself on theories so that you can ask in depth questions for us the audience. You represent us. Thank you once again
The “oscillating universe” was proposed many years ago by the Estonian Astronomer Ernst Öpic. When I was a graduate student in the University of Maryland Physics Department in the 1960’s, he spent part of each year there and discussed this idea. Dr. Penrose, you are in good company. Richard W Burris
Forever is forever.I think its almost that simple, except it seems that infinity contains a constant infinity of beginnings and ends. Why this is as is, is still a mystery to me...for now...Won't have time to see whole video tonight but will watch tomorrow. Thanks to Sir Roger for all his deep thinking...
My best bet is, we will exist on every possible configuration , every single type of life, every single type of non-life, with infinite types of beginnings and ends, we must have the chance of experiencing every single possibility in every single possible configuration, to a point where we will be able to feel everything , everyone , everywhere, all at once.
No FTL in a vacuum seen. No Quantum flux/foam ever seen spiking even close to what's needed. He also fudges the universe in a sodo ground state. After the last particle decays and even further. When photons do not get close enough to interact. If you go quantum you have to consider pair or ring universe deposit from a larger event. He missed the lower bound to white hole, Planck, and using the universe as a natural cutoff regime or limit. He also skips over some of the important artifacting in the universe. 13:39 You have a Planck limit and packing and time distortion factors. R=0 virtual infinity is artifacting. The center core can be pushed further into the future as a black hole grows. The last Planckian mass destroyed by light to preserve censorship as the last particle of a black hole evaporating from hawking radiation. Also gives lower bound to white holes. 20:40 He read 1 type and missed the 3+1 types. At least 2 viable types. More so what he missed is a complete theory would be like hidden variables modeling in a way, and thats one thing Penrose thinks/talks about at times. 26:46 M-Theory and K-theory have 3+1 variants. 36:39 From what I saw. Twistor Theory has a couple of problems with Eon theory. He shows some of the dogma in science in ways. Broken models pushed. Social islands that where not talking to other circles in good ways. The taboo of not talking about precursor conditions to the big bang and variants and ranking in ways. Bias sets and bias blindness and religious influences. The guy is getting old. Stuck in his ways, and has a medal and social grouping and theory to work on. Though I would like to see other people thinking and working on prebang senerios that fit things.
@negative4112 I don't dislike him, but I don't see his bias from religion. Not exactly word salad when it's making points you could have argued. I realize my name gets triggered reactions. But argue a point if you like. I know his spinor theory and Eon theory as well as other theories. I know he got some flavor of string theory to look at that was not 3+1 and got bias from that and string theories having a range that's not easy to weed through. But it also gets to the cults some have around them. You can do the math on size needed for a particle accelerator and gravitational wave detection and it's huge. You can calculate the valley of stability for antimatter even. Or black holes evaporating and Planck limit. I used the knowledge that was out there already. I.E. argue a point or 2. Other than that I don't care what you think.
Roger is always a treasure to listen to but the interviewer here did not rise to the occasion. This was a lesson on how NOT to conduct an interview. He not only seemed clueless about physics and has not properly researched Roger's work, but also acted like he was not at least curious to learn either. You don't have to be versed in the topics at hand but at least show some humbleness and curiosity when interviewing a genius like Roger Penrose and follow the thread of what he's trying to tell you. "You smashed string theory"? Really?... The other lesson is in looking at how patient and classy Roger in handling the interview even though he was definitely annoyed on the inside.
The interviewer was absolutely asking the wrong questions. A waste of Roger's time. He should have probed him on his CCC theory for which I still have a few unanswered questions.
Quantum Cyclic Cosmology A homeostatic universe maintained by the reciprocal processes of electron capture and neutron infall at event horizons and free neutron emergence and decay in deep voids. The big bang is a continuous process. Every neutron which hits an event horizons has a kinetic energy equal to its mass. This means the neutron can donate the kinetic energy to the event horizon and the neutron SELF takes an EinsteinRosen bridge from highest energy pressure conditions, event horizon, to lowest energy density point of space where the quantum basement is lowest and easiest to penetrate. Deep void somewhere. There the neutron decays into amorphous monatomic hydrogen, proton electron soup in a Rydberg state, dark matter. The decay from neutron 0.6fm³ to 1m³ of amorphous hydrogen gas is a volume increase of around 10⁴⁵. Expansion. Dark energy. And then it coalesces and falls..... Towards an event horizon. Topological completion in a continuous flow.
It's logic. Then each process in the universe is a part of a cycle. We have subatomic cycles, Red-Ox cycles in a cell, daily rhythm, weather seasons, life cycles, continental cycles, CNO cycle in the stars, star populations, and galatical cycles and so on.
It is where mathematical concepts actually collide with the real world. Wherever you set the zero point, you can always borrow some energy and pop some particle into existence at least temporarily. When this can happen is minus infinity to infinity.
Inherence implied cycle unsemantic syntax (a , b) , (b , c) , (c , d) (a , b) , (b , c) , (a , b) ... for "(a , b)" open interval of uncountably infinite real numbers between a and b exclusive and "" bijective function?
There has to be a limit of consumption into a black hole. Outcome ? Once the gravity well finds the edge of our universe, Big Bang. I cant imagine anything else.
How did space or void come into being? the vastness seems like infinity, definitely there are no walls at the end or no end and matter has to exist in some form of space. No space No matter.
The theologians told me god was born of itself, there was no beginning to god and there is no end, that was about 50 years ago, they knew this well before 50 years ago, even though The Sir Great Rodger has no proof for this theory neither have the theologist for theirs, is one an atheist because of word difference?...god to theologist is the universe the before and after and everything in-between, to a scientist it's seems to be the same.
@@cordera9543 yes but art is an unknowable eternity look at math its just misinterpreted but its the same as top art just in addition you can build ridiculous stuff because its about understanding, art on the other hand just pretends to be about understanding
17:40 How are we gonna stay civilized as society when our most influential people didn't see the fear mongering & propaganda pushed on us for what it was? -made us hysterical about something invisible in the air. How did we end up with fearsome people on top of society. Have they been targeted to embrace fear?
The problem is with the philosophical and linguistic definitions of “begin”! You can actually have an infinite regress of beginnings, can’t you, without offending the laws of logic?
@@ezinwaibekwe963 Many vehemently object to the notion of infinite regress. I think that has more to do with psychological limitations than rationality.
In india we have the jain religion. It is the most peaceful religion in the world, with no concept of god as creator. They do worship their teachers. Jain cosmology talks about a cyclical universe.
The big bang is the same as gravity But they couldnt call it gravity cos of the gravity of IT ehh penrose dear boi cosmic i tell U cosmic craic good or bad mostly deepends mithras lore
Cykl jak i goście wspaniali. Tylko prowadzący tu nie pasuje. Bardzo skromna wiedza by rozmawiać z Rogerem. Prowadzący nie rozumie co się do niego mówi. Pytał o rzeczy, o których gość przed chwilą powiedział. Nie wiem czy zauważyliście, ale nawet prof. Penrose się irytował.
Of course it wasn't... How can something come from nothing... The ultimate truth is God (Allah).. He had no beginning or has no end... He is beyond space and time. Its the only explanation for the universe and the fine tuning of the universe
Didn't bother to press play on this one. But the phrase in the title makes it certain that Penrose has lost his mind, if he ever had one. If the universe is cyclic, then it existed forever and therefore time cannot have reached to this point. Come on man, this is basic
I have a terrible(beautiful)thick accent….but it’s very understandable….So someone should really tell this guy….”Listen son…this job is just simply NOT for you”!!!Also your physics knowledge has to be much more extensive to interview a guy like Penrose…Every time he opened his mouth it was almost painful to listen…..!!!Sorry….
Roger is fascinating. The interviewer is terrible.
Yep. The interviewer had a terrible knack of interrupting Penrose every time he was getting to an interesting point. And the question he interrupted with was always some fatuous piece of bullsh*t.
Like plants seed
My thoughts exactly😂
How does someone with the brain of a chicken even come up with the idea of interviewing a giant's mind....?
So true! There were many fabulous points that Roger Penrose was carefully crafting only to be interrupted by the most ludicrous, non sequitur questions. It was as if the interviewer was not listening to Mr. Penrose. It was terribly frustrating. At one point, Mr. Penrose ignored the interviewer’s question and forged ahead with his point, which was regarding twisters and left-handedness/right-handedness.
Thank you Mr. Interviewer for bringing us this amazing content but next time kindly read a bit and enlighten yourself on theories so that you can ask in depth questions for us the audience. You represent us. Thank you once again
The “oscillating universe” was proposed many years ago by the Estonian Astronomer Ernst Öpic. When I was a graduate student in the University of Maryland Physics Department in the 1960’s, he spent part of each year there and discussed this idea. Dr. Penrose, you are in good company.
Richard W Burris
Such a clever honest man... History will remind him
Forever is forever.I think its almost that simple, except it seems that infinity contains a constant infinity of beginnings and ends. Why this is as is, is still a mystery to me...for now...Won't have time to see whole video tonight but will watch tomorrow. Thanks to Sir Roger for all his deep thinking...
We live in ufos time mate. Aliens r here. You been hiding it also we now know
My best bet is, we will exist on every possible configuration , every single type of life, every single type of non-life, with infinite types of beginnings and ends, we must have the chance of experiencing every single possibility in every single possible configuration, to a point where we will be able to feel everything , everyone , everywhere, all at once.
This is as is because it gives conscious beings a chance to believe in and go back to God after death.
Professor Penrose is a favorite, I must say. Very good. Peace ✌️ 😎.
This guys on another level, he thinks on cosmological scales!
No FTL in a vacuum seen. No Quantum flux/foam ever seen spiking even close to what's needed. He also fudges the universe in a sodo ground state. After the last particle decays and even further. When photons do not get close enough to interact. If you go quantum you have to consider pair or ring universe deposit from a larger event. He missed the lower bound to white hole, Planck, and using the universe as a natural cutoff regime or limit. He also skips over some of the important artifacting in the universe. 13:39 You have a Planck limit and packing and time distortion factors. R=0 virtual infinity is artifacting. The center core can be pushed further into the future as a black hole grows. The last Planckian mass destroyed by light to preserve censorship as the last particle of a black hole evaporating from hawking radiation. Also gives lower bound to white holes. 20:40 He read 1 type and missed the 3+1 types. At least 2 viable types. More so what he missed is a complete theory would be like hidden variables modeling in a way, and thats one thing Penrose thinks/talks about at times. 26:46 M-Theory and K-theory have 3+1 variants. 36:39 From what I saw. Twistor Theory has a couple of problems with Eon theory. He shows some of the dogma in science in ways. Broken models pushed. Social islands that where not talking to other circles in good ways. The taboo of not talking about precursor conditions to the big bang and variants and ranking in ways. Bias sets and bias blindness and religious influences. The guy is getting old. Stuck in his ways, and has a medal and social grouping and theory to work on. Though I would like to see other people thinking and working on prebang senerios that fit things.
This is a biased word salad. Refuting his theories in a TH-cam comment is clearly inappropriately short form. You clearly just dislike the man.
@negative4112 I don't dislike him, but I don't see his bias from religion. Not exactly word salad when it's making points you could have argued. I realize my name gets triggered reactions. But argue a point if you like. I know his spinor theory and Eon theory as well as other theories. I know he got some flavor of string theory to look at that was not 3+1 and got bias from that and string theories having a range that's not easy to weed through. But it also gets to the cults some have around them.
You can do the math on size needed for a particle accelerator and gravitational wave detection and it's huge. You can calculate the valley of stability for antimatter even. Or black holes evaporating and Planck limit. I used the knowledge that was out there already. I.E. argue a point or 2. Other than that I don't care what you think.
Roger is always a treasure to listen to but the interviewer here did not rise to the occasion. This was a lesson on how NOT to conduct an interview. He not only seemed clueless about physics and has not properly researched Roger's work, but also acted like he was not at least curious to learn either. You don't have to be versed in the topics at hand but at least show some humbleness and curiosity when interviewing a genius like Roger Penrose and follow the thread of what he's trying to tell you.
"You smashed string theory"? Really?...
The other lesson is in looking at how patient and classy Roger in handling the interview even though he was definitely annoyed on the inside.
Roger's 'people' need to vet more strictly who they allow to interview him.
The interviewer ruined it. Unfortunately
The interviewer was absolutely asking the wrong questions. A waste of Roger's time. He should have probed him on his CCC theory for which I still have a few unanswered questions.
The interviewer was a bot, 100%. Sir Penrose is a legend.
Quantum Cyclic Cosmology
A homeostatic universe maintained by the reciprocal processes of electron capture and neutron infall at event horizons and free neutron emergence and decay in deep voids.
The big bang is a continuous process. Every neutron which hits an event horizons has a kinetic energy equal to its mass.
This means the neutron can donate the kinetic energy to the event horizon and the neutron SELF takes an EinsteinRosen bridge from highest energy pressure conditions, event horizon, to lowest energy density point of space where the quantum basement is lowest and easiest to penetrate. Deep void somewhere.
There the neutron decays into amorphous monatomic hydrogen, proton electron soup in a Rydberg state, dark matter.
The decay from neutron 0.6fm³ to 1m³ of amorphous hydrogen gas is a volume increase of around 10⁴⁵.
Expansion. Dark energy.
And then it coalesces and falls.....
Towards an event horizon.
Topological completion in a continuous flow.
This is an old interview reuploaded here, dont know why.
We live looking at a Genius.
It's logic. Then each process in the universe is a part of a cycle. We have subatomic cycles, Red-Ox cycles in a cell, daily rhythm, weather seasons, life cycles, continental cycles, CNO cycle in the stars, star populations, and galatical cycles and so on.
It is where mathematical concepts actually collide with the real world. Wherever you set the zero point, you can always borrow some energy and pop some particle into existence at least temporarily. When this can happen is minus infinity to infinity.
Inherence implied cycle unsemantic syntax (a , b) , (b , c) , (c , d) (a , b) , (b , c) , (a , b) ... for "(a , b)" open interval of uncountably infinite real numbers between a and b exclusive and "" bijective function?
There has to be a limit of consumption into a black hole. Outcome ? Once the gravity well finds the edge of our universe, Big Bang. I cant imagine anything else.
This will be final filter any advanced civilization need to ultimately overcome solving this is ultimate energy source.
Genius!
Which Vedic Indian idea of universe did cosmological scientists not take?
They deny all of them.
How do you know?
How did space or void come into being? the vastness seems like infinity, definitely there are no walls at the end or no end and matter has to exist in some form of space. No space No matter.
Infinite, acausal and forever a mystery. Tat tvam asi.
The sound quality is garbage!
The theologians told me god was born of itself, there was no beginning to god and there is no end, that was about 50 years ago, they knew this well before 50 years ago, even though The Sir Great Rodger has no proof for this theory neither have the theologist for theirs, is one an atheist because of word difference?...god to theologist is the universe the before and after and everything in-between, to a scientist it's seems to be the same.
The problem, he is using the word "cyclic" without understanding what it means 😢
Does the interviewer keep changing the subject on our genius mid expla😅nation or am i wrong…?
You're absolutely correct.
Some people just have it 'in' for 'interviewers' 😂
This very theory would also do away with the concept of time the human construct
A bicycle universe, no.
Infinity is forever new.
so its non-physical
@ in some physical objects you can experience this phenomenon, for example top art.
@@cordera9543 yes but art is an unknowable eternity look at math its just misinterpreted but its the same as top art just in addition you can build ridiculous stuff because its about understanding, art on the other hand just pretends to be about understanding
@ I understand art. It is as important as science. A Mondrian is the same as E=mc2
@@cordera9543 you can believe what you want but soon both will be redundant
Who chose, set up and processed the audio for this interview because they need to be fired immediately. Unlistenable
Ok. Then how did the cyclic universe start?
It didn't start. It has been existent throughout an infinite past. Past infinity has no starting point.
17:40 How are we gonna stay civilized as society when our most influential people didn't see the fear mongering & propaganda pushed on us for what it was?
-made us hysterical about something invisible in the air.
How did we end up with fearsome people on top of society. Have they been targeted to embrace fear?
I know this to be true !
Fine. But how did the cyclical universe begin?
lol
The problem is with the philosophical and linguistic definitions of “begin”! You can actually have an infinite regress of beginnings, can’t you, without offending the laws of logic?
@@ezinwaibekwe963 Many vehemently object to the notion of infinite regress. I think that has more to do with psychological limitations than rationality.
It doesn’t, it’s constant continuation.
Nonsense. Illogical. Everything has a beginning, unless you are relying on magic.
In india we have the jain religion. It is the most peaceful religion in the world, with no concept of god as creator. They do worship their teachers.
Jain cosmology talks about a cyclical universe.
Worst interviewer in the current aeon.
Sounds like Spinoza?
The universe began by itself, research Billy Meier
This interviewer is actually from Zoolandia
Thats why we cleanse ourselves like a washing machine change ur clothes often❤❤🎉🎉
Hang on....he said there was nothing before the big bang.
all he says is that the physical universe is caused by math
The big bang is the same as gravity
But they couldnt call it gravity cos of the gravity of IT ehh penrose dear boi cosmic i tell U cosmic craic good or bad mostly deepends mithras lore
Double yah up tunnel theory
Cykl jak i goście wspaniali. Tylko prowadzący tu nie pasuje. Bardzo skromna wiedza by rozmawiać z Rogerem. Prowadzący nie rozumie co się do niego mówi. Pytał o rzeczy, o których gość przed chwilą powiedział. Nie wiem czy zauważyliście, ale nawet prof. Penrose się irytował.
Please leave your comments in English
Of course it wasn't... How can something come from nothing... The ultimate truth is God (Allah).. He had no beginning or has no end... He is beyond space and time.
Its the only explanation for the universe and the fine tuning of the universe
Speak up.
Didn't bother to press play on this one. But the phrase in the title makes it certain that Penrose has lost his mind, if he ever had one. If the universe is cyclic, then it existed forever and therefore time cannot have reached to this point. Come on man, this is basic
What do you mean by "time cannot have reached to this point"?
I have a terrible(beautiful)thick accent….but it’s very understandable….So someone should really tell this guy….”Listen son…this job is just simply NOT for you”!!!Also your physics knowledge has to be much more extensive to interview a guy like Penrose…Every time he opened his mouth it was almost painful to listen…..!!!Sorry….
What is your theory? If you are going to be so critical, please, tell us your own thoughts.