A great video! Chassidim/ Hasidic communities must listen to this valuable conversation. Kudos to Gabi for being so considerate towards the Hasidic community and trying to help them live their best lives yet!!!
Regarding corporate punishment and abuse, it is no longer tolerated in chasidic schools. It doesn't really happen anymore officially, when it does it definitely gets reported to the school and even the police if the school does not take the proper steps to protect the children
There’s a lot right and there’s a lot wrong done in every community. The idea is we don’t see this much insight in other communities that do much worse… hop off our backs Very well spoken brotha
How are the schools "failing" if they are churning out thousands of successful adults every year. Yes, many use public assistance. However, the crime level compared to other neighborhoods with the same public assistance is not comparable. The community is thriving. Can there be improvements? Certainly. But why is it targeted this way
Several comments are forthcoming. To begin with the Yeshivas are private schools and,furthermore, they are primarily religious schools. I have a lot of trouble with public funds going to private religious schools including Catholic schools, Muslim schools or White Christian nationalist schools. In this I agree that not many fundamentalist or religious groups agree with me but I still think that tax money should be devoted to secular public schools and private money should support private religious education of whatever flavor or denomination. How do you feel about supporting Mormon schools, Seventh Day Adventist schools or Scientology schools? Second of all, the Chasidic community and the many sects of orthodox fundamentalism have closed communities. They, don't, think secular education is central to their lifestyle, to their religious goals and to their children's future. The schools stop a male child's secular education at only thirteen and the actual amount of time for teaching basic secular education is fairly small. If a kid can't read English it isn't a terrible sin but if a boy can't read the Torah that is a siin. Besides, teaching the skills that are necessary to compete in a college environment would almost necessarily "pollute" the community. They need to be computer literate and you cannot get into college without certain standards such as a certain amount of English literature which wouldn't be acceptable. A Chasid isn't going to learn about Darwinism, about Shakespear, about the Donner Party or about a lot of non Jewish history. I read all that and all of Dickens, Ann Frank's diary and even a little popular fiction that was absolutely inappropriate because I read everything and anything all the time by thirteen. Alot went over my head like a description of prostitution in Black Boy. I learned all about country music, rhythm and blues, and Bach, and Mozart too. I had an odd upbringing.I was worldly and still was an innocent compared to my contemporaries who went to college. I never went to college. My income was needed because my family was not well off and I had siblings but I couldn't compete in a good secular college even though I had a secular K-12 education, music lessons from an early age, lived in the library whenever I had enough time to walk the several miles to the nearest one and loved the science curriculum, particularly the burgeoning discipline of genetics. My family was insular and immigrant and much more interested in social justice organizing than getting rich. I was never exposed to my religion until curiosity made me head to the library and now You Tube. I taught myself. But I knew Union songs, folk songs, and heard more Yiddish than English before Kindergarten. Most of my Father's family were orthodox and my mother's family were too but also politically left. My parents left the religion and loved their cultural roots. I was culturally Jewish. I had been taunted for being Jewish in the neighborhood we moved to when my family left New York. So my grandmother fed me stories of famous Jewish women in the Bible and told me fold tales in Yiddish. But never taught me ritual and custom. But morality? I got plenty of that. The Jewish experience is varied, rich and full of contradictions. The decisionsxabout what is important is not the same in all corners of Judaism. Reform Jews still klingvto somevritual and custom andvreject others and most don't speak much if any Yiddisn. College is more important to financially assimilated Jews on that community. My community was entirely working class and that was as formative as my Jewishness.
Hi Helen, thank you for watching and for your comment. It seems that you have lived a very interesting life. With regards to the opinion that private schools should not be publicly funded, many will counter by stating that funds for public school come from tax payer money. Parents that send their kids to private school pay their taxes and deserve some of the benefit. Personally, I would be against the government paying for the religious aspects of private schools. However, I see nothing wrong with the government paying for meals, educational materials, and teachers to teach the mandatory subjects.
We are accustomed to Jewish writers at the NYT presenting anti-Jewish perspectives. They are trying to demonstrate their critical analysis skill, and lack of bias. It’s a kind of academic virtue-signaling. If you draw from a range of perspectives you develop your own nuanced conclusions.
Ok wow. Just like hitting is no longer accepted, most chasidic families and people in general will stay in good terms with a family member or acquaintance who is no longer chasidic. I think you need to update yourself on current chasidic norms.
Hi, this wasn’t my opinion. I got this information from a Telzer Chasid. He said what you’re saying as well as the fact that many chasidish families and communities will cut off a person that leaves the religion. He even said they can cut you off for simply joining a modern orthodox community. He was sharing his inside information based on real cases he is personally aware of. I recently launched a podcast and I hope to have him on. I definitely apologize for whatever misleading information I put out.
@@gabikoyenov interesting. I guess in Satmar (the community I'm part of) there's more acceptance of differences. The ones I know of who cut ties are just horrible people in general and their dysfunctional and abusive behavior is what drove the family member away from the lifestyle to begin with
A great video! Chassidim/ Hasidic communities must listen to this valuable conversation. Kudos to Gabi for being so considerate towards the Hasidic community and trying to help them live their best lives yet!!!
Regarding corporate punishment and abuse, it is no longer tolerated in chasidic schools. It doesn't really happen anymore officially, when it does it definitely gets reported to the school and even the police if the school does not take the proper steps to protect the children
There’s a lot right and there’s a lot wrong done in every community. The idea is we don’t see this much insight in other communities that do much worse… hop off our backs
Very well spoken brotha
Definitely true. Thanks for watching bro!
How are the schools "failing" if they are churning out thousands of successful adults every year. Yes, many use public assistance. However, the crime level compared to other neighborhoods with the same public assistance is not comparable. The community is thriving. Can there be improvements? Certainly. But why is it targeted this way
Several comments are forthcoming. To begin with the Yeshivas are private schools and,furthermore, they are primarily religious schools. I have a lot of trouble with public funds going to private religious schools including Catholic schools, Muslim schools or White Christian nationalist schools. In this I agree that not many fundamentalist or religious groups agree with me but I still think that tax money should be devoted to secular public schools and private money should support private religious education of whatever flavor or denomination. How do you feel about supporting Mormon schools, Seventh Day Adventist schools or Scientology schools?
Second of all, the Chasidic community and the many sects of orthodox fundamentalism have closed communities. They, don't, think secular education is central to their lifestyle, to their religious goals and to their children's future. The schools stop a male child's secular education at only thirteen and the actual amount of time for teaching basic secular education is fairly small. If a kid can't read English it isn't a terrible sin but if a boy can't read the Torah that is a siin.
Besides, teaching the skills that are necessary to compete in a college environment would almost necessarily "pollute" the community. They need to be computer literate and you cannot get into college without certain standards such as a certain amount of English literature which wouldn't be acceptable. A Chasid isn't going to learn about Darwinism, about Shakespear, about the Donner Party or about a lot of non Jewish history. I read all that and all of Dickens, Ann Frank's diary and even a little popular fiction that was absolutely inappropriate because I read everything and anything all the time by thirteen. Alot went over my head like a description of prostitution in Black Boy. I learned all about country music, rhythm and blues, and Bach, and Mozart too.
I had an odd upbringing.I was worldly and still was an innocent compared to my contemporaries who went to college. I never went to college. My income was needed because my family was not well off and I had siblings but I couldn't compete in a good secular college even though I had a secular K-12 education, music lessons from an early age, lived in the library whenever I had enough time to walk the several miles to the nearest one and loved the science curriculum, particularly the burgeoning discipline of genetics. My family was insular and immigrant and much more interested in social justice organizing than getting rich. I was never exposed to my religion until curiosity made me head to the library and now You Tube. I taught myself. But I knew Union songs, folk songs, and heard more Yiddish than English before Kindergarten. Most of my Father's family were orthodox and my mother's family were too but also politically left. My parents left the religion and loved their cultural roots. I was culturally Jewish. I had been taunted for being Jewish in the neighborhood we moved to when my family left New York. So my grandmother fed me stories of famous Jewish women in the Bible and told me fold tales in Yiddish. But never taught me ritual and custom. But morality? I got plenty of that.
The Jewish experience is varied, rich and full of contradictions. The decisionsxabout what is important is not the same in all corners of Judaism. Reform Jews still klingvto somevritual and custom andvreject others and most don't speak much if any Yiddisn. College is more important to financially assimilated Jews on that community. My community was entirely working class and that was as formative as my Jewishness.
Hi Helen, thank you for watching and for your comment. It seems that you have lived a very interesting life. With regards to the opinion that private schools should not be publicly funded, many will counter by stating that funds for public school come from tax payer money. Parents that send their kids to private school pay their taxes and deserve some of the benefit. Personally, I would be against the government paying for the religious aspects of private schools. However, I see nothing wrong with the government paying for meals, educational materials, and teachers to teach the mandatory subjects.
We are accustomed to Jewish writers at the NYT presenting anti-Jewish perspectives. They are trying to demonstrate their critical analysis skill, and lack of bias. It’s a kind of academic virtue-signaling. If you draw from a range of perspectives you develop your own nuanced conclusions.
Good point! Thanks
Ok wow. Just like hitting is no longer accepted, most chasidic families and people in general will stay in good terms with a family member or acquaintance who is no longer chasidic. I think you need to update yourself on current chasidic norms.
Hi, this wasn’t my opinion. I got this information from a Telzer Chasid. He said what you’re saying as well as the fact that many chasidish families and communities will cut off a person that leaves the religion. He even said they can cut you off for simply joining a modern orthodox community. He was sharing his inside information based on real cases he is personally aware of. I recently launched a podcast and I hope to have him on. I definitely apologize for whatever misleading information I put out.
@@gabikoyenov interesting. I guess in Satmar (the community I'm part of) there's more acceptance of differences. The ones I know of who cut ties are just horrible people in general and their dysfunctional and abusive behavior is what drove the family member away from the lifestyle to begin with
CHUMMUS CHUMMUS?