And most Naga TH-camrs and celebrities will one day fight for them and their rights that’s what I fear. I won’t name those TH-camrs or local celebrities but we are more ready and willing to embrace outside culture than our own that’s the problem.
@@Aphungkoo it's not about democracy, we are a Christian state, this state was formed because of Christianity. Before Christianity we were divided, we were separated but through Jesus we were brought together and this state was formed. Even if its a democratic country we should always and ought to put God first and foremost everytime in everything we do. And in the bible it clearly says homosexuality is not right and there has been a whole story about it in the bible (Sodom and Gomorrah) the city was buried into ashes. This was/is and always will be a Christian state. Go read your Bible and pray to God for your wisdom to understand it.
@@elayrusora8810 your religion cannot possibly be as insecure as to be scared of being wiped out because some people are getting their natural rights.
@@kushalnath889 My religion is never insecure sir, there is a thing called "free will" that has been given by God to us and we have the option what to do, but since homosexuality is a sin write in the Bible I am warning them about it, I cannot force them what they want to do but guide them to do what is write in the Bible because the current generation seems to have lost their sight on God. Why would I correct them if I don't care about them, Religion this religion that no it's the relationship we have with Jesus that saves all of us. And sir homosexuality has been practised long ago and this topic has been already discussed in the Bible many times. And in the beginning God created Man and Woman to be together not Woman and woman or man and man to be together. We humans make countless mistakes and we cannot trust ourselves but trust God cause He never be wrong. What what He says is always true because "He is the truth and He is the way" John 14:6. At the end its all up to you what you want to do, there will be warnings but be aware of God's wrath. Repent.
Americans nowadays it's becoming common to see even Chinese, Koreans & Japanese adopting these lifestyle infact literally every countries expect the middle East & African nations are not tolerant. Whatever complaints we maybe having but Indians are doing much better when it comes to accepting these communities since India is still a conservative country and even in Hindu religion homosexuality is considered a criminal offence.
Nagaland for Christ is not a joke...As a follower of living God I'm strongly against about LGBTQ...We should not go against the word of God.. I pray that may our Lord open their spiritual eyes 🙏
Can see. So many churches but no roads . Corruption and terrorism at the max . There are so many things in the Bible you still don't follow. 😂 I am not LGBTQ but they are harmless compared to corruption right ??!
As a parent, here is my opinion. First of all child’s brought up is very important. Most parents are unaware hence irresponsible. I have seen unaware neighbours giving a nail paint to his 2 year old son, clipping his son hair and laughing and celebrating and clapping 👏 on it saying wow you look so cute. The parents don’t know but the child is learning and growing that way. The parents should be made aware that these practices are very dangerous. These are little small practices during toddlers but it is the drop💧 of water the fills the bucket in a long term. I request the NBCC to take this issue a 1st priority and held seminars and awareness programs on how the parents should look after a child. Make the parents aware. We the common people would never be knowing if the intellectuals didn’t teach us how to prevent from HIV. The unaware people won’t use a protection and hence is infected. But to these days awareness programs are held on this topic, people are aware now, people now knows how it gets spread. It is the unaware and irresponsible that gets infected. And we also cannot just ban the infected but it is our responsible to look after them. Please NBCC or Concerned groups please look into the current issue.
Converted lot are struggling in medieval times! I wonder how, as a tribal (before being indoctrinated into half-baked Christianity), would have addressed this issue? Probably beheaded the LGBTQ community 😂😂😂😂😂 Pathetic lot! Live and let live ! Seems like education
Before this we should change our mindset... Too mch keyboard warriors... Too mch criticism... Good is making viral vid... Can't encourage others bt ever ready for their mistake
The last person said it right.Disciplining your children from a very young age is the key to this controversial topic worldwide. Judging by the biology and by appearance, If he/she looks more like a girl then bring her up likewise.If your child looks more like a boy then bring him up likewise. Something definitely went wrong at birth so the parents (even though it may be hard) should take that risk and bring up their children.In such a manner maybe most probably he /she will definitely identify himself/herself as a male ,or a female whenever he or she is grown and people ask about their identity.They can boldly say with confidence "I am a boy" or "I identify myself as a girl", only because they have been brought up right by their parents or guardians depending on their biological appearance.And theres nothing more to say than that.
I asked my sister what if one of her friends in her close circle come out to a rainbow community? She replied she'll just accept them! Then i asked her again "if you really love and care for him/her+ you better not support them in thier delusion and it's clearly written in the Bible that it's wrong". Her response was "they know very well that it's a sin and they're in the wrong but it's their life and it's thier choice who am i to judge them when I'm a sinner myself". I was thinking for a good comback but she went away😂
It's not delusional. Sexual orientation is not delusional nor it's a sin. It's natural. The only delusional is the knowledge of yours about homosexuality.
I feel bad for those people saying “isor bara panai shae”but i say to u God didn't made us dat way😞Its a curse Repent ur sin and come to Jesus our lord saviour 🙏😇
LGBT abbreviations .. L- Lesbian (woman & woman sex) G - Gay (man & man sex). B - bisexual & T - transgender.. Are those on the norms of Biblical teaching ..? .. absolutely NO..!
A big NO!!! And people who are saying "Esor para enika banai dishey"! You seriously think God will make that mistake? No! It is the individual themself who chose that lifestyle. Please, change yourself. Don't ruin the image of Nagas, once brave warriors/headhunters. It is an insult to our ancestors, our dignity, our culture, our God. Etu tou kitia wi accept nakuriwo lagey! Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Exactly.In my POV,if they were to be born that way,God wouldn't have stated in the Bible not to love and have intimate relationship with someone of the same gender.
You said God makes no mistakes. So you think God make mistakes as God created them for who they are. It's not a lifestyle. It's inborn . It's a minority group . God will judge you instead for judging others.
@@Nagabybirth Did you even read Bible or you are saying according to your feelings . No doubt God created human beings but every human being are different with different choices . God created them that way . Your taste of food is different from others why. Ask yourself. Why your choice is not same as others . Don't give credit too much to people . Give credit to God because God made them wonderfully . You are not God so you don't know anything .
Not trying to be utterly dismissive here but for better discourse of the given subject at hand, I’ll point out that you’re strawmanning the argument. Won’t make sense when those circumstances are reversed.
@@evs059 Hey, you don’t agree with my assessment, fine and I respect that and more power to you. I admit I am old school and I hope we can learn to appreciate and respect our difference in opinions.
Freedom does not mean that you can act according to your own wish. If your liberty is disturbing your fellow citizens then that liberty becomes an illegal act. Our state has certain limits. So LGBT should never be allowed to be practiced in Nagaland. Remember breaking traffic rules is same like LGBT. You are free to break traffic rules only if you can afford to avoid accident.
@@armofficialvlog8266 Inspiration of God, but not as Jesus did. For example, Jesus didn’t allow the stoning of a known harlot, and instead, forgave her and set her free. Such kind of forgiveness would not be possible by the laws of the old Testament, which was imperfect in nature, hence why Jesus needed to come.
Why everyone is expecting NBC to investigate this issue? Countless organizations, churches, and institutions have already tried to address it in the past, only to see no significant change. It's time to accept the the fact that this is not something that can be solved by religion or individuals. Just as some people are born blind, some people are born this way. It's not a choice, and no one wants to live a life filled with shame and condemnation. Just because something doesn't personally affect us doesn't mean we can fully understand it. Perhaps one day we will have all our questions answered by a higher power (God), but until then, let's strive for acceptance and peace. Let's embrace each person for who they truly are, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation. We have no right to judge others for their lives.
I appeal to hornbill TV to go and have some thoroughly discussion with the NBCC committee on this matter. If NBCC accept this then NLTP Act should also lift up too. In state like Nagaland once it get normalize then within no more periods it will spread like a covid 19 and our live would be in chaos. We should not eradicate our culture by western culture.
As a Christian state, we perceive ourselves as a dry state, yet we struggle to effectively regulate liquor. The challenge of controlling LGBTQ issues within our Christian framework appears even more daunting.
This is a very complicated and sensitive topic. You should be interviewing those theological and psychologically informed individuals. Getting an opinion from those people who do not know the complexities will only foster confusion.
how sick mentality. homosexuality is natural . being gay or lesbian is natural. why u people show so much of hate for love. the entire world is slamming uganda for this shameful act
@@pskima4274there is no verse that says, “Thou shalt not transition from a man to a woman.” But neither are there any verses that talk explicitly about gun violence, anorexia, waterboarding, fossil fuels, vaccines, GMOs, or HMOs. We should not expect the Bible to speak in 21st century terms to every 21st-century eventuality.
@@Wake_up_to_Reality982 So why you said it's God word while GOD DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. DID YOU JUST INVENT IT COZ YOU FEEL ITS NOT RIGHT . DO YOU KNOW GOD'S mind?
@@pskima4274Here👉🏻 Leviticus 18:22- 20:13, Romans 1:26-28 and some few more in Matthew where God explicitly talks about Men and Women becoming one flesh and that it is why he made them, to procreate!! BUT that doesn't mean i would hate them or abuse them in any way, I can just warn them, after that it's up to them if they want to listen or not!! I won't disturb them again!! After all I do have some few gay friends that I know, I don't support what they do in their bed but I still respect and love them as a human!!
@@pskima4274 Offcourse the Bible says in......, Mark 10: 6 Romans 1: 24 - 29 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10......, For your kind information and for your further reference....... Thank you May God bless you
This is the consequences of our Churches not speaking on this very issue. We thought this would never reach our Nagaland and we thought this only happens in USA but here we are. Now we should protect our children and so we should do everything to stop this movement from getting any bigger. We should be a Christian that knows our Bible. Read your Bible guys. ❤
religion is ur personal choice. u cannot impose it on other.everyone has their right to live with whom they want. being gay or lesbian is completely natural. what religion says is not above constitution
NBCC, CBCC and other tribal church council will be the first to condemn prayer warriors and prayer centres in Nagaland. Let's see what is their comment on this.
Here is the problem. The whole crux of this transgenderism is premised on the person "feeling different" from their assigned sex at birth, feeling like they are a man or a woman instead or even some undefined gender and so on. But aren't "feelings" in and of itself fallible and defective and without sounding like a bible thumping Christian but since its pertinent here, is it not common wisdom when it's written in the Bible "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure"?. If feelings alone is the sole parameter of redefining one's own gender then we are playing a dangerous game of putting feelings over truth. And i am not dismissing their right to a dignified life, i believe that is the inheritance of every human once they take birth. But when we talk about "acceptance" it throws open a whole stack of moral conundrums because acceptance of something means it is morally right. And there is a thin line between acceptance of a lifestyle and the eventual promotion of that lifestyle.
I find this to be profoundly meaningful and explicit analysis, one which resonates with my presupposition. Gender dysphoria is a term the western culture proposed and adopted in 1973. While it’s a necessary proposition to diagnose and define the nature of the condition, I believe the method of treatment took drastic leap resulting to transgenderism. Could we have taken alternative measures in between? From a moral standpoint, Yes. Psychotherapy would be a good place to start. Counselling must aim at setting up the moral boundary to avoid taking the extreme measure of transitioning. I reckon this whole postulation is easier said than done, moreover it cannot appeal to everyone and the reason being people tend to have subjective moral standards. However, from a Christian perspective, we all subscribe to a common set of moral standards that’s clear and must be uphold.
@@SlaveOfChrist787 it's not misleading, that's what the Bible says. We shouldn't support lgbtq, the act but we also shouldn't throw hate on people either. We should pray for them to repent and follow the ways of God.
I respect how you choose to live your life, idgaf about what your pronouns are or what gender u r, As long as u don't manipulate the little ones or the society into this madness or try to influence the people around,
As human beings, they deserve and shall be given and receive basic human rights. Let them be whomever they wish to be. At the end of the day, only God will judge them. But it's not right when they try to distort the culture and customs that our forefathers have preserved so beautifully for us.
The last person's opinion is absolutely correct. In the Bible, it is clearly written that God had created only Man and Woman, male and female. He didnt create gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender. From childbirth itself, we have classified whether we are male or female, and that's how it defines a person's character as they grow up. So, in my opinion, if the government are to give freedom to the LGBT, then our Nagaland state will gone-case. It will really destroy the future of our children.
As a Christian state why we encourage them, let them where they want to be but not in our state... Please 🙏 If not... There will be lots of youngsters in this generation influence by them. We should stop them💯
@@himangshubarman9078lol it's their opinion who said it's only naga state our children our choice we raised them well according to our religion don't interfere if u don't know anything
I never thought we would see this day in Nagaland. As a child i was always proud of my State as a manly and brave state . But if it has come to this now , Im pretty sure we would lose our dignity as Nagas and others will jus see us as a normal Lgbtq supporting state. I suggest we should approach them and tell them stay like that but not to raise their flags and spread their community and influence our people.
Beggars who depend on others for running the state and society don't have anything to be proud of . Without financial independence there is no respect only delusional bigots.
I am an unemployed, and have been unemployed since I was very young. I wanted to leave home and join my community but my parents do not allow because they are embarrassed by my status. Through this channel, I want to convey to the Naga people that we exist, and we deserve to be treated with equally as humans.
Sick mindset. How is being unemployed forcing you to be transgender? Hypothetically you're a lazy brat wanting to earn without putting an effort by joining hichara community that begs in Train.
I sympathised with you. I have struggled with my identity for so long. Luckily, I have cousins and a siblings who are accepting and supportive during my initial days of exploring my sexuality. Give some time and if your parents and siblings really love you, it won't matter who you are to them.
I agreed to last guy..Brought up by educated is very important..Being a Christian parents are also lacking biblical knowledge.I too have male friends that act like females,way of talking, somehow thinking as well but they didn't convert to female appearance..if you are born with male's body stay like that and no need to create new culture n adopting western culture..
Nothing more to argue about...END TIME IS NEAR...what we see in the television is already taking place here in our society ...WE cannot fight or bring this corrupted world into an end...it will become worst...as we all can see from the word of God...signs taking place wen He is about to come. Just be ready and pray for the lost soul. May the Good Lord help us all.
Their right to live and conduct should not be look through biblical perspective. If we look around in all spheres of the world we live in thn there's so many which humans going against God wishes and commandments if only we see in biblical perspective. So, let them live accordingly to their wishes, for their choices to live by is their freedom.
I never thought that this versatile topic will pop - up in naga society sooner, as a human we value humanity and defend the rights and integrity of every populace but let's mark it, if we open the gate of non-elements in our society, surely this will engulf a threat, I am open and not stand rather with religious wisdom, but apprehend my mirror with secularistic, If we stand with the idea of LGPTQ+ in Nagaland, I consider it as a first wave of mis-leading our generation, There is no point for us to accept everything but need a wake up and cross- check the threat it will process of our life, now it might be a small gift to recognise their right, an further legalization,and so forth. I felt that we are loosing our ground. This topic is rather not about believing in theism, but an answer for us to convince our legacy, a time will quench for Naga's to accept and agree the idea's of western civilization, which may be omnipotent to agree and applied,at the cost our own integrity, and now it shows a glitch of some individuals agreeing on the concept, of showing sympathy in the name of humanity or victimised section. But in all at the end,the sunset in the west, So let's be bird eye on naturalistic version, rather falsely agreeing without viewing our councious mind . I believe with this thought of personal opion on frame controversial, will reflect our wisdom.
Change is bound to happen... It's only a matter of whether it's happening now or after a decade or two. We live in a progressive society... If you stand against change you are only delaying the process of progression...✌
As a Christian we have to love and respect every human being. It's their life their choice, we've nothing to judge. We never know who is truely Christian.
@@user-lv4tn7dt2z yes it is but Christian is also just a one religion i should say and let them go to hell and hopefully u go to heaven because of being Christian 🤣, anyway i respect their guts when they already know everyone will be against them but atleast they strongly stood for their rights. what if you get ur sons and daughters like them in the future? We should think twice!
@@user-lv4tn7dt2z they already know it is against the well of people and religion but still they have the guts to stood for their rights i think we've to ponder a little. You are Christian so hopefully you will go to heaven 😅. What if you see your sons and daughters fighting for lgbtq+ from heaven. 🤣
Living aside the opinions and cultures of outside Nagaland - let it be! But to promote this community in Nagaland where we are known for as a *Christian state* we must oppose this and stop them from influencing the younger generations. Who knows - considering their rights in the name of humanity and acceptance in the society - this things might affect the schools especially the younger ones - influencing them to choose their genders and promoting this community gradually. I feel like - accepting and considering this community in name of humanity will eventually affect us all and hence we will be left unheard by God! We aren’t living for society , we are living for God! He created us all in his own image- genders- male and female! Not shemale or they, them etc.
Churches who is promoting this is also not good . Everything written in the holy book is coming to reality. It is a wake up call and it's serious this time.
This LGBTQ+ thing is totally of the western practices and a lifestyle idea only and it shouldn't create confusion among the people of nagaland. Emphasis should be to make such people aware of the truth and reality than to support their every nonsensical cries. Culturally, if there is any restriction, the rights, do's and donts be made known to them by the concern society or whatsoever. Its a complete no for me to support such a lifestyle. 😂
Nagaland is a conservative society. Though people with same sex attraction exists. Gender identity and sexual orientation are two completely separate thing.
Feelings that does not meet the ultimate aim of sexual relation i.e., procreation, negates the morality and ethics of a social fabric and its practices having impending disaster in future cannot be given a whole green signal. Hence, Same sex marriage is not legalised even in India.
I'm okay with them living together among us, but please don't promote LGBTQ issues and don't let it spread among individuals who claim to be part of that community.
Why special rights for LGBTQ+ they have every right that i have.. SOme people are born different we all have one we know, but please dont try to confuse young mind who are already confused with this special gender ideology. Men will be men women will be women it is what it is accept it and live with it
Yessz...itu ase..the guys wearing cap with Google gave u the direct answer..My beloved Naga people,,What he said is 💯 true,,As a Christian,Stick to the holy Bible...if not, it means ,you are simply not a Christian but an idol Worshipper..😞
Reading these comments makes me realize how backwards Nagaland really is. My heart goes out to all Naga queers. Please be safe. Please know that that queer societies for LGBTQ folks from the NE exist in metro cities. Contact them. Seek support.
I agree with that last guy, it's how you raise your child that matters. Growing up, a child learns a lot from what they see people doing, they're very delicate at this stage.
In my opinion Nagaland is a Christian state so, NBCC must give a seminar to the Churches to stop this sinful practice in our state.
Nbcc has no revenue in this issue but n.....act has
Yes,don't bring this in christian state
Nagaland is not a Christian state but a state of tribal
NBCC is against alcohol but embrace????
I agree
This Gay and Lesbian things is a man made western things, never in my life i have heard my grandfather's and grandmother's were gay or lesbian.
Mark 10 verse 6--But from the beginning of the creation God made them Male and Female
It is purely a woke Western propaganda / agenda to destroy the society and promote evil among humans
Bro I was thinking the same thing, this LGBTq is just a trend created by hopeless people
True story,its all man made, i don't support
And most Naga TH-camrs and celebrities will one day fight for them and their rights that’s what I fear.
I won’t name those TH-camrs or local celebrities but we are more ready and willing to embrace outside culture than our own that’s the problem.
If Bible says NO its a No.. nothing more.. we're Christians not atheist.
Very true ❤
Absolutely i agreed 🙏
Amen
I heard lgbtq etc only exist in the West but its hitting state like nagaland too this is so messed up.
@@mundo130 don't be a bigot!
As Christians in a Christian state we need to seriosly seeks Gods guidance to handle this very sensitive issue
I think As a democratic Country Everyone should be allowed to be whoever they are.
As a Human and Democratic Country this shun be a problem
@@Aphungkoo it's not about democracy, we are a Christian state, this state was formed because of Christianity. Before Christianity we were divided, we were separated but through Jesus we were brought together and this state was formed. Even if its a democratic country we should always and ought to put God first and foremost everytime in everything we do. And in the bible it clearly says homosexuality is not right and there has been a whole story about it in the bible (Sodom and Gomorrah) the city was buried into ashes. This was/is and always will be a Christian state. Go read your Bible and pray to God for your wisdom to understand it.
@@elayrusora8810 your religion cannot possibly be as insecure as to be scared of being wiped out because some people are getting their natural rights.
@@kushalnath889 My religion is never insecure sir, there is a thing called "free will" that has been given by God to us and we have the option what to do, but since homosexuality is a sin write in the Bible I am warning them about it, I cannot force them what they want to do but guide them to do what is write in the Bible because the current generation seems to have lost their sight on God.
Why would I correct them if I don't care about them, Religion this religion that no it's the relationship we have with Jesus that saves all of us. And sir homosexuality has been practised long ago and this topic has been already discussed in the Bible many times. And in the beginning God created Man and Woman to be together not Woman and woman or man and man to be together. We humans make countless mistakes and we cannot trust ourselves but trust God cause He never be wrong. What what He says is always true because "He is the truth and He is the way" John 14:6. At the end its all up to you what you want to do, there will be warnings but be aware of God's wrath. Repent.
If this LGBTQ++ ,trans gender is given freedom than watch out our Naga society is Doomed
I am afraid nagaland will become a syndicate and organised begging ground for this community from our neighbouring states...
Why GOD create them ? Transgender are born with this...
They didn't do surgery to change it 😂
Don't turn our Nagaland into a circus like the americans did to their own society...
That's the truth 👍
Pls don’t turn Naga into hopeless way
Americans nowadays it's becoming common to see even Chinese, Koreans & Japanese adopting these lifestyle infact literally every countries expect the middle East & African nations are not tolerant. Whatever complaints we maybe having but Indians are doing much better when it comes to accepting these communities since India is still a conservative country and even in Hindu religion homosexuality is considered a criminal offence.
Nagaland for Christ is not a joke...As a follower of living God I'm strongly against about LGBTQ...We should not go against the word of God.. I pray that may our Lord open their spiritual eyes 🙏
Can see. So many churches but no roads .
Corruption and terrorism at the max . There are so many things in the Bible you still don't follow. 😂 I am not LGBTQ but they are harmless compared to corruption right ??!
Same here 👍👍👍👍
True
Roman:-1:27
Roman:-1:27
Life was better when Apple was just a fruit and Rainbow 🌈 was just a beautiful Rainbow.
Ya man, this people are ruining the ranbow colour, nowdays it feels weird to wear or carry anything rainbow!😞
Love that!
What happen with Apple thing
@@pussy_strike apple is an iphone now, everyone can effort an apple, but everyone cannot effort an iphone.
Life would be much better if y'all uneducated peeps will let others live peacefully
As a parent, here is my opinion.
First of all child’s brought up is very important. Most parents are unaware hence irresponsible. I have seen unaware neighbours giving a nail paint to his 2 year old son, clipping his son hair and laughing and celebrating and clapping 👏 on it saying wow you look so cute. The parents don’t know but the child is learning and growing that way. The parents should be made aware that these practices are very dangerous. These are little small practices during toddlers but it is the drop💧 of water the fills the bucket in a long term.
I request the NBCC to take this issue a 1st priority and held seminars and awareness programs on how the parents should look after a child. Make the parents aware. We the common people would never be knowing if the intellectuals didn’t teach us how to prevent from HIV. The unaware people won’t use a protection and hence is infected. But to these days awareness programs are held on this topic, people are aware now, people now knows how it gets spread. It is the unaware and irresponsible that gets infected. And we also cannot just ban the infected but it is our responsible to look after them.
Please NBCC or Concerned groups please look into the current issue.
They are humans not a disease.
Converted lot are struggling in medieval times!
I wonder how, as a tribal (before being indoctrinated into half-baked Christianity), would have addressed this issue? Probably beheaded the LGBTQ community 😂😂😂😂😂
Pathetic lot!
Live and let live !
Seems like education
Y r u putting up on NBCC????
I don't think there's a proverb on transgender in Bible
You are so dumb ..why did you skip your bio classes
The last person has spoken my thoughts..well said 👍
We Naga's instead of being camera shy, we should participate and share our opinions I think it'll help broaden our mind
Very important 👍🏻
Very true , we should be open minded and also set an example for our next generation by speaking up #noLGBTQ
Before this we should change our mindset... Too mch keyboard warriors... Too mch criticism... Good is making viral vid... Can't encourage others bt ever ready for their mistake
The last person said it right.Disciplining your children from a very young age is the key to this controversial topic worldwide. Judging by the biology and by appearance, If he/she looks more like a girl then bring her up likewise.If your child looks more like a boy then bring him up likewise. Something definitely went wrong at birth so the parents (even though it may be hard) should take that risk and bring up their children.In such a manner maybe most probably he /she will definitely identify himself/herself as a male ,or a female whenever he or she is grown and people ask about their identity.They can boldly say with confidence "I am a boy" or "I identify myself as a girl", only because they have been brought up right by their parents or guardians depending on their biological appearance.And theres nothing more to say than that.
Rightly said
Can't agree more 🙏
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Like wise please don't entertain these kind of platform. Because it maybe easily influenced for some to be genderqueer ...in future..
In my opinion,We must address and stop the LGBTQ individuals in Nagaland 😔💔
This us starting of Anti Christ like in European countries after this they will build satanic churches and go on
Right 😡😡👍
How? There are queers who has been hidden their entire life and even have family, unhappy family. How on earth will you erase them?
How the f*ck you say that??
In my opinion, we must address and stop the Normal straight individuals in Nagaland.....
I asked my sister what if one of her friends in her close circle come out to a rainbow community? She replied she'll just accept them! Then i asked her again "if you really love and care for him/her+ you better not support them in thier delusion and it's clearly written in the Bible that it's wrong".
Her response was "they know very well that it's a sin and they're in the wrong but it's their life and it's thier choice who am i to judge them when I'm a sinner myself".
I was thinking for a good comback but she went away😂
Yes, we all are sinners and we just can't judge that particular community. That's sick.
Yup their life their choice but it will lead them to destruction.
Rather pray for them and man up
Ok don't judge 👍🏻 but also don't support a friend who is committing a sin..
It's not delusional. Sexual orientation is not delusional nor it's a sin. It's natural. The only delusional is the knowledge of yours about homosexuality.
@@Sisyphus_Inquirer what natural?...
I feel bad for those people saying “isor bara panai shae”but i say to u God didn't made us dat way😞Its a curse
Repent ur sin and come to Jesus our lord saviour 🙏😇
100% unacceptable in Nagaland Christian State.
Mark 10 verse 6--But from the beginning of the creation God made them Male and Female
Christian state lmao how good Christian we are? Most corrupted society we are living within the country.
What about the consumption of Alcohol and drugs? Is that ok ???
@@nagadreamer1652That's illegal In nagaland too and so should be Lgbtq
LGBT abbreviations .. L- Lesbian (woman & woman sex) G - Gay (man & man sex). B - bisexual & T - transgender..
Are those on the norms of Biblical teaching ..? .. absolutely NO..!
A big NO!!! And people who are saying "Esor para enika banai dishey"! You seriously think God will make that mistake? No! It is the individual themself who chose that lifestyle. Please, change yourself. Don't ruin the image of Nagas, once brave warriors/headhunters. It is an insult to our ancestors, our dignity, our culture, our God. Etu tou kitia wi accept nakuriwo lagey!
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Exactly.In my POV,if they were to be born that way,God wouldn't have stated in the Bible not to love and have intimate relationship with someone of the same gender.
@@Julie11206 That's what. It is clearly stated in the bible, one should not have intimate relationship with someone of the same gender. This is sad
You said God makes no mistakes. So you think God make mistakes as God created them for who they are. It's not a lifestyle. It's inborn . It's a minority group . God will judge you instead for judging others.
@@pskima4274 God created humans. He created men and women for a reason. What humans become is their own choice, not God's choice.
@@Nagabybirth Did you even read Bible or you are saying according to your feelings . No doubt God created human beings but every human being are different with different choices . God created them that way . Your taste of food is different from others why. Ask yourself. Why your choice is not same as others . Don't give credit too much to people . Give credit to God because God made them wonderfully . You are not God so you don't know anything .
Leviticus 18:22
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination..."
Amen
End of the topic...👌
This is disgusting. We should condemn n stop all this evil stuffs
Hypothetically, if your dear one are turn out under these categories, would you still say "This is disgusting and we should condemn."???
@@vitokaaye6874this will never happen and will never normalise in India
You're acting as if straight people aren't doing most disgusting things in nagaland lol
@@vitokaaye6874 for sure. God's will is final. Don't question God . Don't support this evil practices directly or indirectly.
Strange that people quote Christian values when it comes to LGBTQ+ people, but have no problem with large scale corruption that goes on in the state!!
So is it not right to voice out what wrong is wrong? Go to Leviticus 20:13 and please read the Bible
Not trying to be utterly dismissive here but for better discourse of the given subject at hand, I’ll point out that you’re strawmanning the argument. Won’t make sense when those circumstances are reversed.
This is wat I m talking about...they don't have time and money to look after the road condition bt bringing such ...btw I m neutral...
@@Hakton802 using fancy words but mentality toh 2024 BC👏👏👏.
@@evs059 Hey, you don’t agree with my assessment, fine and I respect that and more power to you. I admit I am old school and I hope we can learn to appreciate and respect our difference in opinions.
Can someone pls sponsor and send them to THAILAND 🤧
Kick them to Thailand
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ok.hoila pe shikkar la Tam pe nai aji Kali tuo.so be patient I will sent them,😂
Ya bro I think u r ✅😂
@@ykawts 🤣
We should ban immediately such evil practices in our society as a Christian state...
Meanwhile I know lots of gay boys and lesbian in nagaland
@@pskima4274
Who say! you don't......??
Maybe....lot more than that?
Individual choice
Nagaland Christian state? Wow 😂
@@pskima4274 by their own narrow and worldly minded choice
Freedom does not mean that you can act according to your own wish. If your liberty is disturbing your fellow citizens then that liberty becomes an illegal act. Our state has certain limits. So LGBT should never be allowed to be practiced in Nagaland. Remember breaking traffic rules is same like LGBT. You are free to break traffic rules only if you can afford to avoid accident.
Breaking traffic rule and LGTBQ lol . What kind of comparison is this.
@@pskima4274 if you cannot comprehend just don't comment bullshito
@@konyakmon687 hahahha you mean breaking a traffic rule equivalent to two gay couple. What kind of shitty analysis is that .
@@pskima4274 it is .. but what so hillarious about the comparison. Use common sense
@@konyakmon687 coz that doesn't even make sense. Don't come up with your own ideology and fantasy
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable sin...
Leviticus 18 : 22
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Amen
How about women?
Agree. But quoting old testament means you're quoting judaism not christianity. Only the NEW testament applies to christians.
@@Corgi_ManuPaul says that all scriptures are inspiration of God in new testement
@@armofficialvlog8266 Inspiration of God, but not as Jesus did.
For example, Jesus didn’t allow the stoning of a known harlot, and instead, forgave her and set her free. Such kind of forgiveness would not be possible by the laws of the old Testament, which was imperfect in nature, hence why Jesus needed to come.
Why everyone is expecting NBC to investigate this issue? Countless organizations, churches, and institutions have already tried to address it in the past, only to see no significant change. It's time to accept the the fact that this is not something that can be solved by religion or individuals. Just as some people are born blind, some people are born this way. It's not a choice, and no one wants to live a life filled with shame and condemnation. Just because something doesn't personally affect us doesn't mean we can fully understand it. Perhaps one day we will have all our questions answered by a higher power (God), but until then, let's strive for acceptance and peace. Let's embrace each person for who they truly are, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation. We have no right to judge others for their lives.
Ya what u say is true and u forgot one important thing keep their opinion to themselves leave our kids alone
The only sensible comment 👍🏾
I appeal to hornbill TV to go and have some thoroughly discussion with the NBCC committee on this matter.
If NBCC accept this then NLTP Act should also lift up too.
In state like Nagaland once it get normalize then within no more periods it will spread like a covid 19 and our live would be in chaos.
We should not eradicate our culture by western culture.
As a Christian state, we perceive ourselves as a dry state, yet we struggle to effectively regulate liquor. The challenge of controlling LGBTQ issues within our Christian framework appears even more daunting.
@Rdlacveg yes you're correct. My wording should be a state populated by Christians rather than being explicitly labeled as a Christian state. 👍🏻
@Rdlacvegit's a Christian state.. Don't u know it's known as Nagaland for Christ
@Rdlacveg 🤣😂
Unacceptable as a Christian 😢
Our forefathers die fighting for Naga Freedom not fighting for LGBTQ
Nagaland for Christ turn to Nagaland LGBTQ 🤧
I agree with you 😢 As a Christian I'm totally disagree with LGBTQ 🤬
Our forefathers were head hunter
You forgot to add +😂
They are the sons and daughters of those so called freedom fighters. Nothing unique in being hyped as freedom fighter’s state.
Everyone quoting the holy book and how Christian we are , but fact is Nagaland is also the most Christian state in India ruled by BJP.
This is a very complicated and sensitive topic. You should be interviewing those theological and psychologically informed individuals. Getting an opinion from those people who do not know the complexities will only foster confusion.
What is your opion on this demand?
Where are the religion leader and naga leaders!!!? This things should be totally ban like uganda
how sick mentality. homosexuality is natural . being gay or lesbian is natural. why u people show so much of hate for love. the entire world is slamming uganda for this shameful act
This should be treated as evil practices in Nagaland...
WORD OF GOD SAYS: 100% Sin!!!
Which verse
@@pskima4274there is no verse that says, “Thou shalt not transition from a man to a woman.” But neither are there any verses that talk explicitly about gun violence, anorexia, waterboarding, fossil fuels, vaccines, GMOs, or HMOs. We should not expect the Bible to speak in 21st century terms to every 21st-century eventuality.
@@Wake_up_to_Reality982 So why you said it's God word while GOD DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. DID YOU JUST INVENT IT COZ YOU FEEL ITS NOT RIGHT . DO YOU KNOW GOD'S mind?
@@pskima4274Here👉🏻 Leviticus 18:22- 20:13, Romans 1:26-28 and some few more in Matthew where God explicitly talks about Men and Women becoming one flesh and that it is why he made them, to procreate!! BUT that doesn't mean i would hate them or abuse them in any way, I can just warn them, after that it's up to them if they want to listen or not!! I won't disturb them again!! After all I do have some few gay friends that I know, I don't support what they do in their bed but I still respect and love them as a human!!
@@pskima4274
Offcourse the Bible says in......,
Mark 10: 6
Romans 1: 24 - 29
1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10......,
For your kind information and for your further reference.......
Thank you
May God bless you
I'm breaking up with my gf...she told me that she was in her hometown but i can see her behind that grandfather shopping alone without taking me😭
Lol...😂
@@kristinajamir5480 has mat pagli pyar hojaiga 😔
@@tokitotoreador4283 😶 areyy,.reyy..ree..re
That was so random but ok- damn I'm sorry for u 💀💀💀
Yeah... I support LGTV...
Entry through Exit is illegal.
LOL, real philosophy.
Word
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Yes, it should be exit only but most of the people practices exit as the best entry these days 😂
This comment must be the slogan in our protest 😂
This is the consequences of our Churches not speaking on this very issue. We thought this would never reach our Nagaland and we thought this only happens in USA but here we are. Now we should protect our children and so we should do everything to stop this movement from getting any bigger.
We should be a Christian that knows our Bible. Read your Bible guys. ❤
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religion is ur personal choice. u cannot impose it on other.everyone has their right to live with whom they want. being gay or lesbian is completely natural. what religion says is not above constitution
NBCC, CBCC and other tribal church council will be the first to condemn prayer warriors and prayer centres in Nagaland.
Let's see what is their comment on this.
Well said😮😅 they are no better than these people mentally, spiritually if not physically so they are quite 😂😂
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how graceful the host looks.
NBCC should focus more on this immoral and unacceptable culture rather than hassling about on NLTP ACT 😌
Electric chair te treatment dibi!! Bimar bhal hoi jabo.
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😂😂😂 dimak khuliwo karne na
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Terika! Dimak centre fresh hoijawo😂
God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!!
😂 preach🙌
So what . God created Adam and Eve. That doesn't mean all human beings will be exactly like Adam and Eve. Are you fool lol
@@pskima4274 how ironic of u to say fool to someone
@@pskima4274 wanna be western leave nagaland
@@AK-galil fool is a person who uses God as a tool to prove his ideology is right .
Here is the problem. The whole crux of this transgenderism is premised on the person "feeling different" from their assigned sex at birth, feeling like they are a man or a woman instead or even some undefined gender and so on. But aren't "feelings" in and of itself fallible and defective and without sounding like a bible thumping Christian but since its pertinent here, is it not common wisdom when it's written in the Bible "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure"?. If feelings alone is the sole parameter of redefining one's own gender then we are playing a dangerous game of putting feelings over truth. And i am not dismissing their right to a dignified life, i believe that is the inheritance of every human once they take birth. But when we talk about "acceptance" it throws open a whole stack of moral conundrums because acceptance of something means it is morally right. And there is a thin line between acceptance of a lifestyle and the eventual promotion of that lifestyle.
True
sex/gender is not assigned at birth.It is established at birth.
I find this to be profoundly meaningful and explicit analysis, one which resonates with my presupposition. Gender dysphoria is a term the western culture proposed and adopted in 1973. While it’s a necessary proposition to diagnose and define the nature of the condition, I believe the method of treatment took drastic leap resulting to transgenderism. Could we have taken alternative measures in between? From a moral standpoint, Yes. Psychotherapy would be a good place to start. Counselling must aim at setting up the moral boundary to avoid taking the extreme measure of transitioning. I reckon this whole postulation is easier said than done, moreover it cannot appeal to everyone and the reason being people tend to have subjective moral standards. However, from a Christian perspective, we all subscribe to a common set of moral standards that’s clear and must be uphold.
But always remember as a Christian " Hate the sin not the sinner."
This term is completely misleading. Becoz using this term u r allowing sin to happen
@@SlaveOfChrist787please explain by using that 'term', how he is sinning?
@@SlaveOfChrist787 it's not misleading, that's what the Bible says. We shouldn't support lgbtq, the act but we also shouldn't throw hate on people either. We should pray for them to repent and follow the ways of God.
How can we even accept them?
When they can't even accept themselves
They accept themselves as gay trans or lesbian lol what are you talking about
@@pskima4274yes aka, delusion
@@pskima4274. Steve you are here too🤣
@@gamerhero5689 yes Mr look alike Adam
@@wowies00 while you are not lol.
Our forefathers didn’t shout their war-cries out like “YAAASSSSSSS!!” during battle. 💀
😂😂😂😂lmao 😂😂😂 Hosaa kotha 😂😂
More like ' ouhhh yeahhhh lets fighting
Our state is "NAGALAND FOR CHRIST " Not "NAGALAND FOR CRIES"
I respect how you choose to live your life, idgaf about what your pronouns are or what gender u r,
As long as u don't manipulate the little ones or the society into this madness or try to influence the people around,
Same as my thoughts on this matter..
No LGBTQ++ or --- in Nagaland please.
People who said it should be normalized should read the Bible more.
Eeewwww.
Very big concern. More alarming than the rest of the issues in the state.
Frfrr it's like promoting the LGBTQ
Eneka manu khan ketiabe Nagaland te allowed nakurebo lage as a Christian state
Nagaland for Christ founders must give answer on this questions
As human beings, they deserve and shall be given and receive basic human rights.
Let them be whomever they wish to be. At the end of the day, only God will judge them.
But it's not right when they try to distort the culture and customs that our forefathers have preserved so beautifully for us.
your forefathers also believed in animism which you don't really adhere to these days.
The last person's opinion is absolutely correct. In the Bible, it is clearly written that God had created only Man and Woman, male and female. He didnt create gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender. From childbirth itself, we have classified whether we are male or female, and that's how it defines a person's character as they grow up.
So, in my opinion, if the government are to give freedom to the LGBT, then our Nagaland state will gone-case. It will really destroy the future of our children.
Lol! Nagaland for Christ? These acts and practices should be stopped right away! Cringe
As a Christian state why we encourage them, let them where they want to be but not in our state... Please 🙏
If not... There will be lots of youngsters in this generation influence by them. We should stop them💯
Its democracy not only ur state....it belongs to all....just chill mr xenophobes....
@@himangshubarman9078lol it's their opinion who said it's only naga state our children our choice we raised them well according to our religion don't interfere if u don't know anything
You mean, If your brother is born with both sex organs in his body he is not right to live in Nagaland?
In fact as a Christian state we should not encourage them to do this wherever they are .
Atleast dont record people refusing to answer. We know you guys worked real hard for this 👀 👏🎉 but its a busy world
I never thought we would see this day in Nagaland.
As a child i was always proud of my State as a manly and brave state .
But if it has come to this now , Im pretty sure we would lose our dignity as Nagas and others will jus see us as a normal Lgbtq supporting state.
I suggest we should approach them and tell them stay like that but not to raise their flags and spread their community and influence our people.
Beggars who depend on others for running the state and society don't have anything to be proud of . Without financial independence there is no respect only delusional bigots.
I am an unemployed, and have been unemployed since I was very young. I wanted to leave home and join my community but my parents do not allow because they are embarrassed by my status. Through this channel, I want to convey to the Naga people that we exist, and we deserve to be treated with equally as humans.
Sick mindset. How is being unemployed forcing you to be transgender? Hypothetically you're a lazy brat wanting to earn without putting an effort by joining hichara community that begs in Train.
I sympathised with you.
I have struggled with my identity for so long. Luckily, I have cousins and a siblings who are accepting and supportive during my initial days of exploring my sexuality.
Give some time and if your parents and siblings really love you, it won't matter who you are to them.
If you have male sex organ then you are biologically a male and vice versa
I agreed to last guy..Brought up by educated is very important..Being a Christian parents are also lacking biblical knowledge.I too have male friends that act like females,way of talking, somehow thinking as well but they didn't convert to female appearance..if you are born with male's body stay like that and no need to create new culture n adopting western culture..
I love how nagas used the terms "nagaland for christ " in condemning anything and everything......
I don't support.. and I don't know any of tis person but I can say 4.47 is pure lotha😂😂
Hosa ase edudu pakka Lotha ase de
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Ur mouth is smelling so dnt take the name of lotha frm ur fucking shapeless mouth 🤣
Nothing more to argue about...END TIME IS NEAR...what we see in the television is already taking place here in our society ...WE cannot fight or bring this corrupted world into an end...it will become worst...as we all can see from the word of God...signs taking place wen He is about to come. Just be ready and pray for the lost soul. May the Good Lord help us all.
The interviewer need to know that its about the whole LGBTQ+ community and not only transgenders.
Yoooo😱...why do i feel like ihv heard that girl's voice ( in green shirt)#offline exam protest.. "cheating korilebi sob toh sabole toh nahoi"....😂😂..
so true what the last guy said , how you were brought up is very important
Their right to live and conduct should not be look through biblical perspective.
If we look around in all spheres of the world we live in thn there's so many which humans going against God wishes and commandments if only we see in biblical perspective.
So, let them live accordingly to their wishes, for their choices to live by is their freedom.
I never thought that this versatile topic will pop - up in naga society sooner, as a human we value humanity and defend the rights and integrity of every populace but let's mark it, if we open the gate of non-elements in our society, surely this will engulf a threat, I am open and not stand rather with religious wisdom, but apprehend my mirror with secularistic, If we stand with the idea of LGPTQ+ in Nagaland, I consider it as a first wave of mis-leading our generation, There is no point for us to accept everything but need a wake up and cross- check the threat it will process of our life, now it might be a small gift to recognise their right, an further legalization,and so forth. I felt that we are loosing our ground. This topic is rather not about believing in theism, but an answer for us to convince our legacy, a time will quench for Naga's to accept and agree the idea's of western civilization, which may be omnipotent to agree and applied,at the cost our own integrity, and now it shows a glitch of some individuals agreeing on the concept, of showing sympathy in the name of humanity or victimised section. But in all at the end,the sunset in the west, So let's be bird eye on naturalistic version, rather falsely agreeing without viewing our councious mind . I believe with this thought of personal opion on frame controversial, will reflect our wisdom.
I support you bro
If they can't accept themselve,why should we accept them?
Media's should stop promoting these things
Change is bound to happen... It's only a matter of whether it's happening now or after a decade or two. We live in a progressive society... If you stand against change you are only delaying the process of progression...✌
Bruh I'm an teenager too but i really hate this gen z bullshit, I'm not walking in the streets watching those gay and lesbian couples.
As a Christian we have to love and respect every human being. It's their life their choice, we've nothing to judge. We never know who is truely Christian.
But this is against GOD
@@user-lv4tn7dt2z yes it is but Christian is also just a one religion i should say and let them go to hell and hopefully u go to heaven because of being Christian 🤣, anyway i respect their guts when they already know everyone will be against them but atleast they strongly stood for their rights. what if you get ur sons and daughters like them in the future? We should think twice!
@@user-lv4tn7dt2z they already know it is against the well of people and religion but still they have the guts to stood for their rights i think we've to ponder a little. You are Christian so hopefully you will go to heaven 😅. What if you see your sons and daughters fighting for lgbtq+ from heaven. 🤣
Tell them that it's a "No" from my side. Thankyou.
2:10 Angami
2:54 Sangtam
3:22 Konyak
4:40 Lotha
2:10 Sumi asei.
Malum kumar as if
@@Rebel8700 congrats, now u go ahead and take the title of malum kumar 👍
Living aside the opinions and cultures of outside Nagaland - let it be! But to promote this community in Nagaland where we are known for as a *Christian state* we must oppose this and stop them from influencing the younger generations. Who knows - considering their rights in the name of humanity and acceptance in the society - this things might affect the schools especially the younger ones - influencing them to choose their genders and promoting this community gradually. I feel like - accepting and considering this community in name of humanity will eventually affect us all and hence we will be left unheard by God!
We aren’t living for society , we are living for God! He created us all in his own image- genders- male and female! Not shemale or they, them etc.
From head hunders to transgender 🤣🤣
Our forefathers soul might be complaining saying.... Etu Khan karni moi khan murishey😅😂😂
Churches who is promoting this is also not good . Everything written in the holy book is coming to reality. It is a wake up call and it's serious this time.
There are only 2 Genders in nagaland ...alak Khan toh morum para side kuribi 😂😂😂
According to my oppenion,, i totally against LGBTQ in our naga society
Why not interview this in important colleges and Universities?
Why are people so afraid to speak up against what we know is clearly wrong! My people of Christ wake up , open your eyes fight against evil!
If u don't afraid make it yourself don't just come and say it in comments as a fool
@@moody_kid785 what do i make?
Dear, journalist please don't be discouraged if people ignores you for the opinion it's just that our society is not used to it, keep it up
This LGBTQ+ thing is totally of the western practices and a lifestyle idea only and it shouldn't create confusion among the people of nagaland. Emphasis should be to make such people aware of the truth and reality than to support their every nonsensical cries. Culturally, if there is any restriction, the rights, do's and donts be made known to them by the concern society or whatsoever. Its a complete no for me to support such a lifestyle. 😂
Nagaland is a conservative society.
Though people with same sex attraction exists.
Gender identity and sexual orientation are two completely separate thing.
Feelings that does not meet the ultimate aim of sexual relation i.e., procreation, negates the morality and ethics of a social fabric and its practices having impending disaster in future cannot be given a whole green signal. Hence, Same sex marriage is not legalised even in India.
God bless those who are speaking the truth🙌
We can't compromise the truth of His word👩⚖️
God has created everything it's not their willing so as per my opinion I would accept it in society.
Nothing can change once GOD sent us this way
Many parents doesn't know the importance of sunday school and good upbringing.
It's good to hear that NSCN is taking up this case seriously 👌
One cannot change any religion because of his or her own wishes .
As nagaland is kown as a Christian state it should never be accepted.... For in Christian's view, it is a sin .
I'm okay with them living together among us, but please don't promote LGBTQ issues and don't let it spread among individuals who claim to be part of that community.
We have moral law as well as biblical principles. So no way that we'll compromise with these wickedness. It's abomination.
As a Christian, , iam totally against this ...
The last person said so nicely...truly said❤
Why special rights for LGBTQ+ they have every right that i have.. SOme people are born different we all have one we know, but please dont try to confuse young mind who are already confused with this special gender ideology. Men will be men women will be women it is what it is accept it and live with it
NBCC SHOULD NOW MORE THAN EVER VOICE OUT ABOUT THIS.
Yessz...itu ase..the guys wearing cap with Google gave u the direct answer..My beloved Naga people,,What he said is 💯 true,,As a Christian,Stick to the holy Bible...if not, it means ,you are simply not a Christian but an idol Worshipper..😞
Reading these comments makes me realize how backwards Nagaland really is. My heart goes out to all Naga queers. Please be safe. Please know that that queer societies for LGBTQ folks from the NE exist in metro cities. Contact them. Seek support.
I agree with that last guy, it's how you raise your child that matters.
Growing up, a child learns a lot from what they see people doing, they're very delicate at this stage.
The third and fourth person opinion is absolutely right...for me