I think this guy is a sociopath but he does have some amazing stories. I looked up Billy Waugh, man they do not make them like that anymore. >At the age of 71, Waugh participated in Operation Enduring Freedom from October to December 2001 as a member of the CIA's Northern Alliance Liaison Team led by Gary Schroen which went into Afghanistan to work with the Northern Alliance to topple the Taliban regime and Al Qaeda at the Battle of Tora Bora.[9]
My Father was a NSG CTI Chief, a real Russian linguist electronics spook who was tasked with capturing Carlos The Jackal Ramirez and the Gang after the bombing of the Olympic Wrestling Center in Germany. He and a group of badasses in a surveilance van full of antenaes tracked The Baader-Meinhof Gang, also known as Red Army Faction, a West German terrorist group that was active in the 1970s and Ramirez as they clumsily robbed banks and shot up public parks and other nasty bits. They spent over a year tracking the Jackal's radio comms and had tracked The Jackel to a safe house in a town near Frankfurt (my birthplace) Dad was required to notify the local German Police per their charter to go capture any fugitives but the local German cops delayed the mission, out of fear no doubt, and Ramirez slipped away to Cairo. - - - * Charlton, Eldon G. USNSG CTI R.I.P
@@scottyspliffen7421 I'd like to read a good account of Billy, Annie Jacobsen can't be trusted to provide that. I read her book on the history of Area 51 and it was the biggest load of crap I ever read in my life.
This is just hysterically candid. I worked for a politician once and I think it surprises us how raw the process is. I had to run interference with several interest groups and it amazed me how much influence they thought I had. I didn't.
It’s been a few years since i read Billy Waugh’s book ‘Hunting the Jackal.’ But the story he told in the book was much more involved. A much more systematic hunt for Carlos, whom they suspected was in Sudan. And a much more involved surveillance of Carlos’ home. The American government made the decision to allow the French government to capture, and then try Carlos because they had a better case against him for the murder of two French policemen. About the same time Billy Waugh was also surveilling another suspected terrorist hiding out in Sudan: Osama bin Ladin. I may also mention Billy Waugh’s book contains some of the photos he took of Carlos the Jackal outside his home in Sudan.
Billy Waugh straight legend, I've had his book for well over 20 years "Hunting the Jackal", I got from my Dad,who was also SF,..this book & Billy's Life should be a movie..R.I.P Billy Waugh The Legendary Warrior
Carlos had left his first wife who had taken their daughter with her to Venezuela. Carlos was eager to father a child with his second wife Lana Jarrar. He was admitted to the hospital in Khartoum for a varicocelectomy to correct a low sperm count.[41] After the operation, a Sudanese police officer told him that the government had learned of a plot to kill him. An armed escort took him and his bodyguards to a villa near al-Turabi's home. His wife went back to their home to get some personal belongings but did not return. At 3 a.m. on 14 August 1994, Carlos was wakened by several men who pinned him to the bed. They put him in hand and leg cuffs before a doctor tranquilized him. He was taken from the villa and placed aboard a private jet. He was flown to Paris to face trial.[42][38]
Not really true, they moved him from the hospital siting an impending power outage and drive him to GIGN at Khartoum Airport! We was based in Sudan 30yrs and even had Carlos at our house without knowing who he was!
Good story just different from how it is told in Billy’s book. Wasn’t a chance sighting they had info he was in Sudan and tracked him down over weeks. Highly recommend the book “hunting the jackal”
That fits... This guy's character is so warped he can't help but to lie. Disgusting that he'd sit there and talk as if Bin Laden was behind nine eleven.
I’m sure he was awesome and this agent was the greatest agent can someone explain how China infiltrated every area of our gov and intell agency. Let me guess it’s our fault for electing leaders that you take your orders from . You can have illegal black ops sites and torture and break all rules but you can’t disobey corrupt politicians
Mr. Waugh passed away recently at his home in Texas. The Green Berets need to recruit more men like Billy, not Giant knuckle heads who are obviously SF!
I remember joining an airline company in 1995. We had a specialist in security come in to educate us about a few things. He showed us a picture of a man and asked any of us if we knew who he was. We were all blank, we were still blank when he explained this man was the most dangerous man in the world. The photo was of Osama bin Laden.
@@MJ-kd7dpHe was… irregardless of what conspiracy theories say. It was an FBI agent who tried to warn the government and got ostracized. Watch the Frontline PBS documentary called “the guy who knew” or something along those lines on the FBI agent from NJ
3:00 it's funny that he says that because I've been in Central America for 2 months and I haven't seen one single argument in a public settings: not a drunk guy stumbling around yelling and screaming, not two dudes getting into a scrap, not a woman hollering at her husband or kids...you just don't see it, a lot of folks shaking each other's hands and waving to each other and greeting each other as they pass by but none of the daily craziness that he's so correctly pointed out thousands of videos get uploaded a day. Not that the folks down here don't have the same problems everybody else does, apparently, they just deal with it in a vastly different way. It's strange I couldn't put my finger on it for the first couple of days and I was like 'what's missing' and then I thought to myself "oh yeah the constant threats of violence, general discontent and litter on the ground as far as the eye can see." Don't get me wrong I love my home State as much as the next man or woman but to be completely honest we have a whole lot of catching up to do when it comes to community, we can pump out as many patriotic commercials as you can think of but that doesn't change the daily reality on the ground in your average city of our nation...it is what it is.
I lived in Central America for 9 years. I saw some fights and had to put a guy in the hospital once. You want to avoid drunk indigenous people especially. Some Costa Rican people like to fight.
@@comfortablynumb9342 geez, I'm 46 & I've been on the streets a few times, been in the Service and have never once thrown a punch somebody in my Life...maybe we just deal with conflict differently. But thanks for the heads up.
@@billbixby557 I don't look for fights but a drunk attacked me in Costa Rica and I hurt him, but not with punches. I gouged his eyes. I tried to avoid it but he was drunk and came in my house so I was kinda cornered. He's well known for fights in that town and he's been to jail for it. Other than that I only saw locals fighting, usually alcohol was involved.
@@comfortablynumb9342 if you don't mind me asking would you feel comfortable telling me the town that happened in? To be fair I also don't go out after dark a lot these days, it's Sunshine at 5:25 in the morning, so by the time the sun is getting low, i'm just relaxing on my porch. If somebody's got you cornered in your house I guess there's really not another option, I'm glad you made out okay.
@@billbixby557 I saw little fights in Pavones by the border with Panama. The time I had to hurt the guy was in La Coopa Buena in the mountains, also near the border. That guy had worked for me before and I thought we were kinda friends. He wanted money in town and I said no so he hit me when I was sitting in a cab, and then he ran away. I got out but he stayed away. I'm not going to lie, I was mad about that bitch move and I told everyone there what was up. Then I went home. I was relaxing when he just walked in. So I really didn't get a choice, he's well known for fighting with his fists. So I used a different style and he had no idea how to deal with it. Plus I'm at least 6" taller and my nails were pretty long. He tried to swing, I stepped in and got ahold of his head and shoved my thumb and middle finger in both eyes until my thumb got the best bite, then I pushed and shoved. He left bleeding from one eye and crying from both. Then I pressed charges, but had to move back to the states to take care of my mom. So I didn't get to put him in jail. Once after that he started to try me at the liquor store and when I went from cool to pissed he realized he was about to get hurt again and he went away. I never pick fights, I'm a 49 year old hippie type. But dad was a cop and taught me to defend myself.
4:26 “He and I did a thing together in… in… I’m gonna say the ‘Middle East’… it was a couple of months before 9/11.” This kind of thing is the mark of a good storyteller 😂😂
As the Italians say: “Se non è vero, è bene trovato.” Reportedly it isn’t how it went down, but Billy Waugh was indeed involved in Carlos’ capture and abduction out of Khartoum to France.
I watched the whole ep- very good guest. However, after reading the Wikipedia page on Carlos the Jackal, there seems to be some discrepancies in the story between Mr. K and the wiki document- I’m inclined to believe this gentleman, maybe he can make an edit on Wikipedia and provide some better sources. Best regards to the podcast team & their guests
Read hunting the jackal Billy explains the political bs that cropped up when US Spec ops set up to capture him and the state dept got involved and wanted foreign governments to get the credit instead And all his reports were destroyed after 911 to cover up the fact he warned them about bin Laden . All covered up so they could say “Osama Bin Who?” Never heard of him.
According to John Russo in his book Company Man, Carlos was tracked from Beirut to Khartoum after a tip off from a CIA informant within the PFLP code named Bingo. He was a public figure in the city frequenting bars and the single STD clinic. He was drugged in his apartment and rendered by French agents to Paris where he remains in prison.
Man I can't get enough of this guy, he needs to work at Hollywood with some writers or something. But then again... maybe he already does. I guess when it comes to clandestine operatives you just never know.
john is talking about the tip of the iceberg here too though so you have to interpret the context and the unsaid meta communication as well - an important point and salient intimation plus you have to extrapolate the implications into the future and what the potential impacts will be then with even more powerful tech - it could lead us down a slippery slope to dystopia without adequate controls and oversight. #General Corman : Well, you see, Willard, in this war, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be God.
I was working in Sudan 2002-2005. In 2002 a colleague and I went to a Lebanese restaurant near our apartments one evening. We sat outside as it was September and in Khartoum it remains quite hot most of the night until November. As I was eating my dinner I happened to look up at one point and a very tall guy in Sudanese garb had walked in. He looked very much like bin Laden. My eyes must've gotten big as saucers as he looked my way. He saw me and just smiled. I knew it wasn't bid Laden but I guessed that it must've been one of his adult sons. About a month later I was at the souk where I saw T-shirts with bin Laden's image on them. During my second year in Khartoum I found out that bin Laden had actually lived in the same neighborhood some years before.
I remember reading about the 1975 incident where Carlos killed an informant and 3 French intelligence agents who went to his house. That 1970s pic of Carlos Ramirez used to spook the daylights of out me as a kid. When I heard about his arrest in 1994, as an adult, I could not believe it.
Much different story of how Carlos the Jackal was captured and arrested in the book “Surprise, Kill, Vanish”. Nevertheless, Billy was from another planet. One of the most badass guys this country has ever seen!
If all these spooks put the time and energy into Creative endeavors as opposed to the destruction and chaos which is tasked to them by our controllers we could have an amazing world. I grew up thinking spy’s were so cool, but when you get older and you have the realization via experience that all this espionage fawning never amounts to anything but death you no longer laugh at their tales and pat them on the back for how well they did their deeds. If only those with true skills were allowed, heaven forbid encouraged to do Creative acts, what a world we could inhabit. Then these stories could be recalled with applause because in the end they Taught us the errors of the old ways and because we shared we could all realize the harm in such a nihilistic behavior.
Your podcast would be better if you weren't constantly trying to answer to the guests comments before he has a chance to reply. Especially with John K, one of the smartest and most engaging people to listen to.
Idk, these CIA guys lie for a living and are never truly done with that agency even when they are "retired". Many are good story tellers (duh, it's a prerequisite for that work) so they make good podcast guests but as far as accuracy of what really happened they are pretty sketchy.
What a great story. I could listen to this guy tell stories all day. I love this real life cloak and dagger shit. Although I take it for a grain of salt. Anytime I hear ex CIA talk, I’m always skeptical.
As well you should be. When virtually any CIA person is talking you have to expect at least some misdirection to be part of what they say. It's part of the territory.
That's 100% BS. Carlos the Jackal was not captured by Billy Waugh. He might have ID-ed him but his capture was organized by soudanese NDSS and the French DST that took advantage of a minor surgery (not a dental problem, but a varicose vein to a leg) Coras was haiving to put him on plane while he was still under anathesia. The fact that he was in Soudan was known way besoire. There are several pictures of him at parties ay before 1994.
Elliptical machines came onto the markey after carlos went to prison so im pretty sure there wasnt one in a shithole like kartoum before they were even invented. Waugh was in Kartoum with a team looking for ctj. This is a total urban myth bs story. ctj would not be wandering aimlessly in a vegetable market when he knew he gad a target on his back.
Bullshit story. The Minister of Interior of Sudan Bakhri Hussein Salah cut a deal with Interpol. Carlos was living near the airport in Khartoum in the neighborhood of Rihayd. He was there living as if he were a Jordanian diplomat. Total bull.
Did he just say its rare to witness violence in a muslim country? Iran Iraq Sudan Nigeria Kenya Afghanistan Pakistan Algeria Libya to name a few.. oh yeah France and Britain too. . 😂😂😂
Pre 9-11 democrats passed rules/laws that prevented various law enforcement and national security agencies from sharing information with each other…… that would have prevented 9-11.
The executive order he mentions in the video was signed by Reagan. And listen to the dates he mentions when they were wanting to bring Bin Laden in: during the administration of the elder Bush. Four straight presidents failed us in that regard, three of which were Republicans. But oh yeah it was the (just) democrats...
Bin laden story is BS. He was AN ALLY at that point and you know what he was ACTUALLY doing there? Building A NEW HIGHWAY in that country. Literally a BBC interview with him there at that time in country next to the start of the highway. The taliban was a COMPLETELY different group who formed out of a unification of people in Islamic schools who were sick of the post soviet warlords shenanigans in the power vacuum.
There was a time when the CIA supplied surface to air missiles to the people fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. It was one of those "the enemy of my enemy" things. bin Laden was very involved in 9-11. But so were some of the Saudis connected to the Royal family. It's really pretty complex. Simplistic analysis isn't really helpful unless you're deliberately trying to throw people off.
Billy Waugh’s life should be made into a miniseries.
Definitely I said the same thing for 25 year's, after reading "Hunting the Jackal"
Big time. Chuck Norris even fears him.
This gent has the voice thats not boring, too loud etc, it keeps you waiting for the next word, enjoyable
I swear the more in listen to this dude... the more I realize how good a job Clancy did writing John Clark lol
I can listen to his stories all day.. best story teller by far..
I think this guy is a sociopath but he does have some amazing stories. I looked up Billy Waugh, man they do not make them like that anymore.
>At the age of 71, Waugh participated in Operation Enduring Freedom from October to December 2001 as a member of the CIA's Northern Alliance Liaison Team led by Gary Schroen which went into Afghanistan to work with the Northern Alliance to topple the Taliban regime and Al Qaeda at the Battle of Tora Bora.[9]
Right!
better than wasting YOUR Life
Keep listening all your Life!
The guy is a liar... Just sat there and said Bin Laden was involved in perpetrating nine eleven.
Story is right. Because this one is complete bullsh!t. Not how Carlos the Jackal was captured. AT ALL
@@moncorp1tell me where to find the real one
My Father was a NSG CTI Chief, a real Russian linguist electronics spook who was tasked with capturing Carlos The Jackal Ramirez and the Gang after the bombing of the Olympic Wrestling Center in Germany.
He and a group of badasses in a surveilance van full of antenaes tracked The Baader-Meinhof Gang, also known as Red Army Faction, a West German terrorist group that was active in the 1970s and Ramirez as they clumsily robbed banks and shot up public parks and other nasty bits.
They spent over a year tracking the Jackal's radio comms and had tracked The Jackel to a safe house in a town near Frankfurt (my birthplace)
Dad was required to notify the local German Police per their charter to go capture any fugitives but the local German cops delayed the mission, out of fear no doubt, and Ramirez slipped away to Cairo.
- - -
* Charlton, Eldon G.
USNSG CTI
R.I.P
Billy Waugh was the definition of a “badass”. No greater friend; no more lethal an opponent, even into his seventies.
Prob if not the greatest special force/cia agent of all time I’ve read Annie Jacobson book on Billy.. such a great read!! 🤘🏽🙏🏽
Celebrated his 72 B-day in the Mountains of Afghanistan,cold & stinky, & said " I wouldn't trade places with anyone on the planet"...of course 🫡
@@scottyspliffen7421
I'd like to read a good account of Billy, Annie Jacobsen can't be trusted to provide that. I read her book on the history of Area 51 and it was the biggest load of crap I ever read in my life.
This is just hysterically candid. I worked for a politician once and I think it surprises us how raw the process is. I had to run interference with several interest groups and it amazed me how much influence they thought I had. I didn't.
It’s been a few years since i read Billy Waugh’s book ‘Hunting the Jackal.’ But the story he told in the book was much more involved. A much more systematic hunt for Carlos, whom they suspected was in Sudan. And a much more involved surveillance of Carlos’ home. The American government made the decision to allow the French government to capture, and then try Carlos because they had a better case against him for the murder of two French policemen. About the same time Billy Waugh was also surveilling another suspected terrorist hiding out in Sudan: Osama bin Ladin. I may also mention Billy Waugh’s book contains some of the photos he took of Carlos the Jackal outside his home in Sudan.
Its an awesome book.
Among my favorite books,Billys surveillance hide site in Brown Town was imperative, & jogging by Bin Ladins compound with a lead pipe is Legendary
John K. is on the best - a fantastic guest everytime
John goes to my church. His late father was my principal and used to buy bread off of my grandma.
Great. Thank him by not revealing personal info about him on the interweb
@@anthonylappin6657 Hardly any doxxing information here. John is a Christian he's mentioned that before.
Billy Waugh straight legend, I've had his book for well over 20 years "Hunting the Jackal", I got from my Dad,who was also SF,..this book & Billy's Life should be a movie..R.I.P Billy Waugh
The Legendary Warrior
Cofer Black and Billy Waugh, seperate or together, are LEGENDS.
Billy is a straight fuccing badass one of the most effective killers America has ever produced
Carlos had left his first wife who had taken their daughter with her to Venezuela. Carlos was eager to father a child with his second wife Lana Jarrar. He was admitted to the hospital in Khartoum for a varicocelectomy to correct a low sperm count.[41] After the operation, a Sudanese police officer told him that the government had learned of a plot to kill him. An armed escort took him and his bodyguards to a villa near al-Turabi's home. His wife went back to their home to get some personal belongings but did not return. At 3 a.m. on 14 August 1994, Carlos was wakened by several men who pinned him to the bed. They put him in hand and leg cuffs before a doctor tranquilized him. He was taken from the villa and placed aboard a private jet. He was flown to Paris to face trial.[42][38]
Who's lying lol.
Not really true, they moved him from the hospital siting an impending power outage and drive him to GIGN at Khartoum Airport! We was based in Sudan 30yrs and even had Carlos at our house without knowing who he was!
Ya'll sound guilty. Grateful for your contributions
I’m Carlos 🥸🫢👁️
@@andyrouse5564 Sure you did.
Great video....thanks. Billy Waugh is very prominently featured in one of Annie Jacobson's books. A ton of interesting stuff there.
Billy was absolutely crazy. A Legend!
Good story just different from how it is told in Billy’s book. Wasn’t a chance sighting they had info he was in Sudan and tracked him down over weeks. Highly recommend the book “hunting the jackal”
That fits... This guy's character is so warped he can't help but to lie. Disgusting that he'd sit there and talk as if Bin Laden was behind nine eleven.
@@MJ-kd7dp he was dumbass
I love this guy - George Santos
I’m sure he was awesome and this agent was the greatest agent can someone explain how China infiltrated every area of our gov and intell agency. Let me guess it’s our fault for electing leaders that you take your orders from . You can have illegal black ops sites and torture and break all rules but you can’t disobey corrupt politicians
A fantastic interview! I passed it along to three other people.
🎉🎉nice work..🎉🎉real guest...no nonsense. 🎉🎉real data🎉🎉
You're right I never hear about physical violence in Africa and the Levant
This is crazy, I was thinking about Carlos about 2 weeks ago, then this pops up...😮😮😮
WE NEED STATUES OF BILLY WAUGH EXIBITING THE STANDARD. LIKE BRADY.
I. Agree. Bob13
OKAY GRANDPA 😂😂😂
Mr. Waugh passed away recently at his home in Texas. The Green Berets need to recruit more men like Billy, not Giant knuckle heads who are obviously SF!
SF has EVERY size, speed , strength race, color, religion, culture and language represented in “The ODAs”. You have no idea what you’re talking about
Rest In Peace Warrior.
I remember joining an airline company in 1995.
We had a specialist in security come in to educate us about a few things.
He showed us a picture of a man and asked any of us if we knew who he was. We were all blank, we were still blank when he explained this man was the most dangerous man in the world.
The photo was of Osama bin Laden.
this guy is scarily charismatic, without the label of C.I.A. you'd be inclined to believe almost anything he says.
Well the fact he was a whistle-blower should give him some credit
@@nicknmm09The dude just sat there and said Bin Laden was behind nine eleven! Wake up!
@@MJ-kd7dpHe was… irregardless of what conspiracy theories say. It was an FBI agent who tried to warn the government and got ostracized. Watch the Frontline PBS documentary called “the guy who knew” or something along those lines on the FBI agent from NJ
I finally found your Channel Danny Good Job
Well, he left out a tiny detail ... Carlos was protected by high ranking officials in Sudan and the French basically bought him from the Sudanese.
3:00 it's funny that he says that because I've been in Central America for 2 months and I haven't seen one single argument in a public settings: not a drunk guy stumbling around yelling and screaming, not two dudes getting into a scrap, not a woman hollering at her husband or kids...you just don't see it, a lot of folks shaking each other's hands and waving to each other and greeting each other as they pass by but none of the daily craziness that he's so correctly pointed out thousands of videos get uploaded a day.
Not that the folks down here don't have the same problems everybody else does, apparently, they just deal with it in a vastly different way.
It's strange I couldn't put my finger on it for the first couple of days and I was like 'what's missing' and then I thought to myself "oh yeah the constant threats of violence, general discontent and litter on the ground as far as the eye can see."
Don't get me wrong I love my home State as much as the next man or woman but to be completely honest we have a whole lot of catching up to do when it comes to community, we can pump out as many patriotic commercials as you can think of but that doesn't change the daily reality on the ground in your average city of our nation...it is what it is.
I lived in Central America for 9 years. I saw some fights and had to put a guy in the hospital once. You want to avoid drunk indigenous people especially. Some Costa Rican people like to fight.
@@comfortablynumb9342 geez, I'm 46 & I've been on the streets a few times, been in the Service and have never once thrown a punch somebody in my Life...maybe we just deal with conflict differently.
But thanks for the heads up.
@@billbixby557 I don't look for fights but a drunk attacked me in Costa Rica and I hurt him, but not with punches. I gouged his eyes. I tried to avoid it but he was drunk and came in my house so I was kinda cornered. He's well known for fights in that town and he's been to jail for it.
Other than that I only saw locals fighting, usually alcohol was involved.
@@comfortablynumb9342 if you don't mind me asking would you feel comfortable telling me the town that happened in?
To be fair I also don't go out after dark a lot these days, it's Sunshine at 5:25 in the morning, so by the time the sun is getting low, i'm just relaxing on my porch.
If somebody's got you cornered in your house I guess there's really not another option, I'm glad you made out okay.
@@billbixby557 I saw little fights in Pavones by the border with Panama. The time I had to hurt the guy was in La Coopa Buena in the mountains, also near the border. That guy had worked for me before and I thought we were kinda friends. He wanted money in town and I said no so he hit me when I was sitting in a cab, and then he ran away. I got out but he stayed away. I'm not going to lie, I was mad about that bitch move and I told everyone there what was up. Then I went home. I was relaxing when he just walked in. So I really didn't get a choice, he's well known for fighting with his fists. So I used a different style and he had no idea how to deal with it. Plus I'm at least 6" taller and my nails were pretty long. He tried to swing, I stepped in and got ahold of his head and shoved my thumb and middle finger in both eyes until my thumb got the best bite, then I pushed and shoved. He left bleeding from one eye and crying from both. Then I pressed charges, but had to move back to the states to take care of my mom. So I didn't get to put him in jail. Once after that he started to try me at the liquor store and when I went from cool to pissed he realized he was about to get hurt again and he went away. I never pick fights, I'm a 49 year old hippie type. But dad was a cop and taught me to defend myself.
4:26 “He and I did a thing together in… in… I’m gonna say the ‘Middle East’… it was a couple of months before 9/11.”
This kind of thing is the mark of a good storyteller 😂😂
Read about him in the book - By way of Deception. Quite a guy.
King of theRoad, by RM… I can see Billy’s face driving the caddy.
As the Italians say: “Se non è vero, è bene trovato.” Reportedly it isn’t how it went down, but Billy Waugh was indeed involved in Carlos’ capture and abduction out of Khartoum to France.
I watched the whole ep- very good guest. However, after reading the Wikipedia page on Carlos the Jackal, there seems to be some discrepancies in the story between Mr. K and the wiki document- I’m inclined to believe this gentleman, maybe he can make an edit on Wikipedia and provide some better sources. Best regards to the podcast team & their guests
What were the discrepancies?
It’s a totally different story- too much to type en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_the_Jackal
Everybody knows Wikipedia is almost never 100% accurate. They are written by random people. This guy was actually there.
Read hunting the jackal
Billy explains the political bs that cropped up when US Spec ops set up to capture him and the state dept got involved and wanted foreign governments to get the credit instead
And all his reports were destroyed after 911 to cover up the fact he warned them about bin Laden . All covered up so they could say “Osama Bin Who?” Never heard of him.
Wikipedia isn’t a primary source and should never be treated like one
watching this is better than watching action movies
Annie Jacobsen’s book Surprise Kill Vanish documents this story
According to John Russo in his book Company Man, Carlos was tracked from Beirut to Khartoum after a tip off from a CIA informant within the PFLP code named Bingo. He was a public figure in the city frequenting bars and the single STD clinic. He was drugged in his apartment and rendered by French agents to Paris where he remains in prison.
*Rizzo
Man I can't get enough of this guy, he needs to work at Hollywood with some writers or something. But then again... maybe he already does. I guess when it comes to clandestine operatives you just never know.
Wait... , Where was Jason Bourne... , in all of this...??? Or, was Billy - Jason...???😊😅😂😮
john is talking about the tip of the iceberg here too though so you have to interpret the context and the unsaid meta communication as well - an important point and salient intimation plus you have to extrapolate the implications into the future and what the potential impacts will be then with even more powerful tech - it could lead us down a slippery slope to dystopia without adequate controls and oversight. #General Corman : Well, you see, Willard, in this war, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be God.
your gay
I was working in Sudan 2002-2005. In 2002 a colleague and I went to a Lebanese restaurant near our apartments one evening. We sat outside as it was September and in Khartoum it remains quite hot most of the night until November. As I was eating my dinner I happened to look up at one point and a very tall guy in Sudanese garb had walked in. He looked very much like bin Laden. My eyes must've gotten big as saucers as he looked my way. He saw me and just smiled. I knew it wasn't bid Laden but I guessed that it must've been one of his adult sons. About a month later I was at the souk where I saw T-shirts with bin Laden's image on them. During my second year in Khartoum I found out that bin Laden had actually lived in the same neighborhood some years before.
Homeboy said Gazelle..awesome
Funny, I heard the dentist story before once
I remember reading about the 1975 incident where Carlos killed an informant and 3 French intelligence agents who went to his house. That 1970s pic of Carlos Ramirez used to spook the daylights of out me as a kid. When I heard about his arrest in 1994, as an adult, I could not believe it.
Much different story of how Carlos the Jackal was captured and arrested in the book “Surprise, Kill, Vanish”. Nevertheless, Billy was from another planet. One of the most badass guys this country has ever seen!
Who is the guy being interviewe?
Or maybe he is the main guy in that movie. The one who doing first interrogation she attends.
Yeah the Clinto's rock.
That guy John is so interesting, not so impressed with the interviewers level of enthusiasm
I saw Jimmy Hoffa in Bensalem around Big Bird a week after he disappeared.
If all these spooks put the time and energy into Creative endeavors as opposed to the destruction and chaos which is tasked to them by our controllers we could have an amazing world.
I grew up thinking spy’s were so cool, but when you get older and you have the realization via experience that all this espionage fawning never amounts to anything but death you no longer laugh at their tales and pat them on the back for how well they did their deeds.
If only those with true skills were allowed, heaven forbid encouraged to do Creative acts, what a world we could inhabit. Then these stories could be recalled with applause because in the end they Taught us the errors of the old ways and because we shared we could all realize the harm in such a nihilistic behavior.
Amen
John tell Shawn Lyons i need to speak to him about our grand mother
I thought the Sudanese shopped him to the frogs themselves
love that guy
My friend was in Mac v Sog in Vietnam with Billy he said he was a fucking boss
He was the Recon Company first sergeant at CCN when my buddy was there.
Brilliant
Wikipedia says french got him at his house not in the doctors
Your podcast would be better if you weren't constantly trying to answer to the guests comments before he has a chance to reply. Especially with John K, one of the smartest and most engaging people to listen to.
Good old days...
evergreen
Jackal is a revolutionary
Wikipedia has a slightly different account of the capture. I guess the truth is in between. The guests account makes a better story.
Carlos the Jackass is more appropriate
INTERESTING REVELATIONS INDEED
That's not the story on wikipedia
I hope the Cadillac was pink.
No they wouldn't! Not today!
The only thing Billy could not do is stop swearing lol.
Maybus Del Hyena..knows different then the story told 😅😂😮 viva la raza!
Liberace, baritone, na
Sudanese bum fight got Carlos.
Idk, these CIA guys lie for a living and are never truly done with that agency even when they are "retired". Many are good story tellers (duh, it's a prerequisite for that work) so they make good podcast guests but as far as accuracy of what really happened they are pretty sketchy.
I heard that Carlos was taken down by French intelligence agency operatives.
Carlosn have been in Belgrade.. Yugoslavia..but I forget the hole store
What a great story. I could listen to this guy tell stories all day. I love this real life cloak and dagger shit. Although I take it for a grain of salt. Anytime I hear ex CIA talk, I’m always skeptical.
If you haven't read Billy Waugh's book "Hunting the Jackal", order it right now
As well you should be. When virtually any CIA person is talking you have to expect at least some misdirection to be part of what they say. It's part of the territory.
Meh. Story is a little off. Read Suprise, Kill, Vanish by Annie Jacobsen
That's 100% BS. Carlos the Jackal was not captured by Billy Waugh. He might have ID-ed him but his capture was organized by soudanese NDSS and the French DST that took advantage of a minor surgery (not a dental problem, but a varicose vein to a leg) Coras was haiving to put him on plane while he was still under anathesia. The fact that he was in Soudan was known way besoire. There are several pictures of him at parties ay before 1994.
Him and i did a thing together🤨
This is all coming from an "ex-cia".
He embellished all his stories, but not this one, this story he was 100% honest as a government official. 😂😂😂😂
Jackal is still alive in France. Revolutionary
UNTIL THE LION TELLS HIS SIDE OF THE STORY, THE TALE OF THE HUNT WILL ALWAYS GLORIFY THE HUNTER" 😅😅😅
Sounds like a straight lie. If he knew his dentist why didn’t they go to him first?
Elliptical machines came onto the markey after carlos went to prison so im pretty sure there wasnt one in a shithole like kartoum before they were even invented. Waugh was in Kartoum with a team looking for ctj. This is a total urban myth bs story. ctj would not be wandering aimlessly in a vegetable market when he knew he gad a target on his back.
Billy had a hide site from which he took pictures of him.. it's in his book
Bullshit story. The Minister of Interior of Sudan Bakhri Hussein Salah cut a deal with Interpol. Carlos was living near the airport in Khartoum in the neighborhood of Rihayd. He was there living as if he were a Jordanian diplomat. Total bull.
Dont you think there would be a little more detail to the snatch of an international terrorist.????
The story is incorrect. The info was given to France, who arrange for arrest and extradition to France, where he is now in jail
the french were definitely involved but if the CIA found that guy in sudan, they aren’t just giving france the info and fucking off.
These guys can say anything and there’s no way to affirm its truth.
'affirm it's truth' . . . I love this phrase. I am going to add it to my expressions. Thank you.
Ehen you. Said. Potty. Mouth. I knew instantly. You. Soent some. Tome with. Him. Lmao. Bob13
Did he just say its rare to witness violence in a muslim country? Iran Iraq Sudan Nigeria Kenya Afghanistan Pakistan Algeria Libya to name a few.. oh yeah France and Britain too. . 😂😂😂
You are referred not to countries which have external influences driving the violence, he’s talking about a different thing entirely.
@@markpattison6031 really? Don't try adding a false narrative to truth.
Sudan is not medel East. Sudan is east Africa
Northern Sudan is very much connected culturally with the Middle East.
Errrr ... you mean the guy who was working for CIA "renegade" Frank Terpil and company? All they had to do was ring him on speed dial.
OBL did not do 9/11.
Do not believe a single word.
Billy found him then without knowing it the French nabbed him,
I don’t think anybody knows what you’re talking about
No way this guy actually believes Bin Laden had anything to do with nine eleven. Pathetic, shame on both of these guys.
Pre 9-11 democrats passed rules/laws that prevented various law enforcement and national security agencies from sharing information with each other…… that would have prevented 9-11.
The executive order he mentions in the video was signed by Reagan. And listen to the dates he mentions when they were wanting to bring Bin Laden in: during the administration of the elder Bush. Four straight presidents failed us in that regard, three of which were Republicans.
But oh yeah it was the (just) democrats...
Bin laden story is BS. He was AN ALLY at that point and you know what he was ACTUALLY doing there? Building A NEW HIGHWAY in that country. Literally a BBC interview with him there at that time in country next to the start of the highway. The taliban was a COMPLETELY different group who formed out of a unification of people in Islamic schools who were sick of the post soviet warlords shenanigans in the power vacuum.
There was a time when the CIA supplied surface to air missiles to the people fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. It was one of those "the enemy of my enemy" things. bin Laden was very involved in 9-11. But so were some of the Saudis connected to the Royal family. It's really pretty complex. Simplistic analysis isn't really helpful unless you're deliberately trying to throw people off.
i cant listen to billy tell billys stories, because he cant stay with his story lol
it was the french special forces that snatched and arrested ilyich Ramirez sanches AKA carlos
No the frogs just took the credit
Billy had him under surveillance,he has pictures in his book
I'm Carlos
Carlos was in English prison strangeways