It was a high time for feds to get involved. Fbi should look if death of john okeefe has to do with him having evidence of death of Sandra Birchmore, and some cops being involved. That would be a reason why they needed his phone and to see what digital evidence he had on it. Against certain cops.
Innocent until proven guilty, and the prosecutor is failing miserably. Bungled csi , witnesses caught out lying . Beyond all reasonable doubt, I couldn’t convict Karen on what I’ve seen in that court and defence has not started yet .
You're meaning to tell me that a man was murdered in front of a cop's home, full of police officers during a party, and not a single one of them witnessed the murder of a fellow cop? And no security cameras? That's not odd at all.
This is not just nationwide. There are people following TBs lived from Canada,the U.K ,Ireland,Mexico. Austria. And yet alot of people in MA still dont know about.
I'm in the UK , I just don't buy there being enough evidence of her reversing into him , to kill someone you would need to do at least 30mph , you can't reverse into someone quick enough , especially to break a light panel , it just doesn't work as a theory imo
@@susanconstantino9310 yes for a long time since an old fb account maybe 2012ish! I’m from Plymouth, Ma. My maternal family is all in Scandinavia and are following the case..
Karen dropped him off at 12:30am-ish. Supposedly hit him on the street & left. Everyone at the party had cars parked on the street. When people left the party between 1:30am-3am did they just step over his body? When the plow went by between 2:15am-2:30am why wasn't John's body mutilated from the plow? The plow driver said he didn't see a body. The state's timeline does not add up. And the google searches inside the house "how long for a body to freeze in the snow?" Come on now!
@@suzygordon2331zero snow on the ground until 12 am and from 12 am until john was found, only 3 inches of snow fell, at 7:45is when the snow started dumping 3 feet of snow
4 weeks into trial and I wouldn’t trust anything the prosecution ‘found’ on the car after seeing the methods of evidence collection. Solo cups and a leaf blower? Are you kidding me? I don’t know if it’s malice or incompetence but my heart goes out to the O’Keefe family. This investigation was incredibly disrespectful to John’s death.
It's weird to me that's so few people have common sense and think that that injury looks anything remotely like a car hit him😂 most sane people would look at it and assume a dog bite right off.... Especially knowing that there was a dog in that home that was known to attack people, and then knowing that the homeowners got rid of the dog months after this incident....hmmmmmm🤔
The fact that “turtle boy” was put in jail for his news reporting/investigative journalism re: a local United States of America issue in Canton, Massachusetts -should worry you and everyone in this land of the free + home of the brave. People literally go to war and die for our right to speak up for Truth and Justice.
@@mauiswift6391 they are not witnesses. They are unindicted co-conspirators 💯💯. The DA's office is under federal investigation for corruption with the Karen Read case and that same DA's office arrested Dr. TB for reporting/protesting the corruption 💯💯😁😁GFY
He was never put in jail. He was never arrested for journalism. He was arrested for intimidating witnesses! You are not allowed to go to the home of murder witnesses on behalf of the suspect and demand they answer to you! How do you not know this?? He was pointing a camera through the window of Jen McCabes home!! 😂 That is SO WILD!! I knew in June he would be arrested!! He was wildin!!!
Well with all accusations on both sides this should be investigated by an outside agency. Neither are the victims in this case John Okeefe is the victim and his death needs to be solved.
The only problem with that is the DA is clearly pushing back and saying there are no problems. He came on TV telling peaceful protesters to knock it off like he was my mother. He presumed her guilt in that statement he read. That goes against ethics right there. We are innocent until proven guilty. But not in Norfolk County. Your constitutional rights are stripped once you step foot in Canton, MA. It’s wild!
Karen might also be a victim. She lost someone close to her, and may have been subjected to gross police misconduct and abuse of power spending decades in prison as an innocent person. A few bad apples indeed.
@@darcymoon2109 absolutely! And I think that’s why so many people locally are invested in this. This could easily happen to any one of us if it could happen to her. What if we didn’t have the money for a private attorney, etc.
Lally says “cocktail glass imbedded in the bumper.” On 6/3/24 testimony and pictures, we all saw pieces of glass just sprinkled onto the bumper. Nothing was imbedded. Yet another lie.
The whole tail lamp being the only damage to her car with no other damage nor blood on the car ...while the victim looks like he has been "punched by Mike Tyson" with what looks like scratches and puncture wounds (that look as they came from the dog) on his arms ... with the car considered to be the weapon used to kill him is absolutely comical ...an impact like that would cause more than a broken tail lamp ffs!!! Add the snow plow driver that prosecution nor LE interviewed that stated that his body was NOT there at the alleged time Karen Read was suppose to have ran over him is even more indicative of her being innocent! The google by the officers wife "how long to die in the cold" is absolutely suspicious! Thank God this is being investigated by the Feds!
@@ChristinaTodd1970TB has been saying it. And lots of people have picked the information apart. Microdots on TH-cam has all the information in videos breaking down the same state police crew on other cases and this one how different they treated it
@@jmc8626The house can be explained with becuse a murder happened there usually house can plummet in value, what is weird is his autopsy, them getting rid of their dog, and the prosecution should show how the hell a reverse in someone driveway does so much damage to give him 2 black eyes? the back head laceration can be explained by him falling hitting his head, and his arm there are so many "scratches" or whatever they wanna call it. for me there is still reasonable doubt And i dont trust American cops generally i am not from usa, but ofcourse people who do not live there only see the negative aspect of police becuse that is whats usually ends up in the news not all the good things.
I agree. Even if she did hit him with the vehicle, I doubt it was more than an accident. I do realize a death within a DUI complicates that to some degree. But there's no way they could prove some evil murder.
@@Bess9779They were hoping that upgrading the charge from manslaughter to murder would scare her into taking a plea deal so this would quietly go away. How did that work out for them?
@@katiej4755Who’s “they”?? It was a group of 24 everyday people who, after hearing all of the evidence (that you and I have not heard) decided to upgrade the charges. The prosecutors may be obligated to reveal exculpatory evidence, but they are sitting on a ton of INCULPATORY evidence and will not reveal it until trial. This woman is done for!
@@Bess9779she didn't get out the car, he got out and went in by himself, plus the marks on his body, the beating,marks on his body. Hell! she must of been Hellboy . Just a conversation with to ask u knowing some more about this do u feel a cover up somewhere in his department.. officer O'Keefe. Like to have a friendly conversation about what u think about this case. Be Bless and Happy New Years
It just doesn’t make sense that they had a fight she decided to hit a police officer (her boyfriend) and leave him to die in the snow outside a house party with other police officers! What if someone found him before he died, what if he managed to crawl inside and tell them what happened? It’s just not believable. I also googled picture of dog bites /scratches on arm and there were some photos that had identical markings as he had! A fight with the nephew inside the house and the dog jumped him makes the most sense!
I agree,it doesn't add up. I heard a recording of the moment Karen's so called friends dropped her off at the house when they discovered John's body. Karen was genuinely crazy upset yelling and screaming trying to get John warm and do for, while Jen McCabe stayed warm in the car denying blankets for John. Jen was cold and calm on the phone to 911. Jen said ," there is a man passed out in the snow" to the 911 operator. Not,"my friend John O'Keefe". Not,"a Boston police officer." And Jen didn't go inside her sister's house to get blankets or ask Boston cop Brian Albert to come out and help. Jen wanted John dead so he couldn't tell what happened.💯
I have not followed this case at all so I am coming at this from a place of ignorance, but I have grown really pessimistic whenever people in the true crime community claim conspiracy or cover up. It is claimed on literally every high profile case. So that said, re canine bites, this is Massachusetts. Could the injuries that appear to be dog bites be contributed to a wild animal as he lay out in the snow?
@@MissaPalityI have asked the same thing and it must be too logical of a question because no one will answer that question and, they seem to have all the answers, so, couldn't a wild dog or dog have chewed on his body while laying in the snow all night? It's definitely possible imo.
Perhaps but if a fight broke out in the house where they owned a German Shepard does it not make sense it would jump at John protecting its family? Also I need to add that they owned the dog for 6 years it had 2 incidents of attacks that Canton hid from public records, also they re-homed the dog immediately after this incident. And the tissue samples from those scratches are missing.
I’ve never posted a thing on Twitter I have however liked comments…after I read she admitted the tale light was intact I went to go see what her excuse was…lo and behold I’m blocked. Who has time to go through and block people woh like comments! No credibility when you block people for simply likening comments you don’t like …pathetic
coffindaffer works for an agency.. that promotes any kind of law enforcement in public media. She will always be on the side of law enforcement , its her salaried job. paid actor. she should not be able to go on tv pretending she is independent. Why is this channel not making her say who she works for?
It is on u tube the tire does move. Think it was retired FBI investigator Sean his last name starts with a M. Sean also shows the video that the back tail light still shown red, until Procter got a hold of her car and the first 42 minutes has disappeared.
It does sound like the cops are covering for whatever they did to that guy. It also does not look like those cuts on his arm were made from a cocktail glass. Sounds like prosecution is reaching for something because they have nothing.
There’s my #1 man of Court TV 💯 Class Act with the color suit and tie combination ☺️ Been watching him for years ❤️ 🙋🏻♀️Mass resident here . J.O. deserves Justice 🙏🏼 Why sell the house and get rid of the dog ?? Shady 💩 happening in Mass!
@samanthasmile7746 I've never heard of a dog attack where the dog only scratched and didn't bite. That's a first. But, the feds are involved now so all this cover up bs will finally be put to rest --
The most probable course of events is that OKeefe/Albert got into a beef, a push or shove, then fisticuffs. The dog got involved and a full attack was on. Probably got knocked into some furniture or down the stairs and split his head open and was knocked out. They dragged him outside to die.
@@MLSPlatforms 18 yr old neighbor to John O'Keefe at the time of his death, his family owns d & e pizza in canton, and he's the nephew to Brian Albert (who owned the house that John was found out on the lawn.) Colin was/is known to be a hothead and one to pick fights, posting on socials threatening people and sporting black eyes and busted up knuckles. so knowing that he had issues with John the theory of him and John getting into it, whether he jumped him or he just got the better of him, is not far fetched- (its where I'd put my money if I were to wager a bet for sure... he likely didn't mean to kill him I'm sure, but I do think that he was the catalyst and when all was said and done the others in the house went into damage control wanting to protect him seeing as he is family, was 18 at the time, and seemingly had his whole life ahead of him.)
All the butt-dials. Phones getting disposed of, just in time to avoid a preservation order. A pet mysteriously rehomed. I initially started out thinking KR was guilty of something, just because the theory was so wild and so-called journalists were out there conducting witness intimidation (allegedly). After a few days of watching the trial, and more than a few "that's odd" moments from the prosecution witness testimony, I started to come around to the defense's theory that she might have been framed. After the experts testified - game over. There is just no way she did it.
Was there a beef between the 2 cops, or Collin Albert who had a problem with John and a known loose cannon with cuts on his knuckles like he was in a fight!
Wait a minute Vinnie! ITS ALL BECAUSE OF TURTLEBOY! The news NEVER said a word till Aiden and us TurtleRiders won’t quit! Give credit where credits due!!!! News channel in Boston don’t want to go against the bad cops either! Shame on all of them. Again THANK YOU AIDEN!🤗🤗🤗❌⭕️😘
Actually they cannot tell when keystrokes were made. That is TV nonense. They can only tell when a document as saved, not when it was written. Fo example, when you use a program like Word, it always records a copy of every draft. That draft can tell you whe it was saved, bu not when it was written.
@@chrisgullett4332 I disagree. Maybe not the actual letters themselves but definitely input, orientation of screen, where you were located at the time of the inquiry. Technology is not a criminal’s friend.
@@ChristinaTodd1970 No they cannot. You clearly do not understand how things work. You watch oo much TV. They also cannot tell where you were located by your phone. Pings are not accurate, they are juuuu a suggest in triangulation. Not to mention, knowing where you rphone was does not mean you were with it. Knowing something was done on the phone does not tell you who did it. Technology actually is a criminals friend, because advnaces in technology is helping criminals. Even evidence like DNA and fingerprints are way less reliable now since technology has advanced.
The apple cacoa app counts in milliseconds back from the start of the program in 1999, to tell you how many seconds it was after 1999 that you started a search for hos long to die in cold. 2:27 am Boom 💥
@@blabl590 Again, knowing when somene did a search, does not tell you who did the search. The funny thing about devices is anybody can use them. This was not about searches though, the OP said they can tell when keysstrokes were made which is false. Also, doing a search aout the effect sof snow couls b edone for several reason. Maybe the person was about to walk somewhere and wanted to see how safe it was. Maybe they wanted to go sledding. If your neighbor gets stabbed, and you did a earch recently for knives, it does not mean you stabbed them. It's like y'all lack critical thinking.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the home owners had basement floor/or carpets replaced within months of the murder. But even regardless of that, the house was NEVER searched, ever. Which in an of itself seems to support the defenses allegations that the investigation was mishandled.
Also, the cop sold the house right after OKeef was murdered there for $50,000 under market rate (according to That Chapter channel). So cant investigate the house, which is so crazy! Cops are totally lying.
Probably on the carpet they replaced. Maybe some is still there. You would need someone willing to investigate that. The cops are busy right now trying to save their own asses.
He knows that. He just has to play by the rules of the MSM and say what each side is saying. Ted knows there is something seriously wrong with this case, as does Vinny.
The world is watching this, UK here. How in 2024 in the USA there is a town ran by mobsters, my jaw is on the floor! They are morally corrupt & rotten to their core. The entire civil service of that town needs to be dissolved & reinstated but people capable of being a competent civil servant. It’s DISGRACEFUL beyond any words I can say.
All of the Alberts are responsible as well as the entire town of police officers that were complicit in their false testimonies. Shocking, the FBI is not involved in this immediately wow
Turtle Boy brought this case up several months ago. He has uncovered so may facts that show Karen is innocent. With the feds involved it is finally getting local media attention. So glad Ted and you are covering this case. You should have Turtle Boy on so you get a good understanding of all the facts he has uncovered.
From seeing the CCTV footage they looked happy, I want more details how they think reversing into him can kill him , it would knock him over but not kill him imo , reversing wouldn't be fast enough , 10-15 mph if that, reversing sounds different to going forward , especially at speed , I dont believe she could get the amount of speed up to kill him , I think it would be loud enough for neighbours to hear. Therefore it leaves him going into the home. It just makes no sense she dropped him off then reversed into him , I just don't buy it at all ,unless they can recreate how they think it happened then its not for me. If its a crime scene , where is the evidence of tyre marks in the snow , the way the marks would look in the snow would stand out as the wheel marks in the snow would be angled toward the pavement..
I have literally been saying this exact thing for months. You are the first person I have seen write a comment like this, too. Thank you. I was starting to think I was seeing things thru different lenses.
They have never had an accident recreation specialist go out and do a reenactment, only measurements. It's changed from a 3 point turn to backing in to him... wait for it, at approx 24.2 miles per hour. According to the state, she drove 60 ft at 24.2 mph in a light covering of snow. They've never outright said how the injuries occurred, but how many things can actually happen at one time? Cuts from a glass, injuries only to the head and arms, hands (no lower body, or broken bones), and he was found over 12 ft from the road. Did the taillight, and nothing else, hit...what? Also, he supposedly was out in the snowfall, in freezing Temps, bleeding out... but was still alive for 6 hours later? Albeit, barely, but no way... where is all the blood from his head? Drops of blood covered were collected in solo cups... There's so much more. It's crazy that they thought they could just brush this on by.
Another officer with a ring camera lived across the street, he was asked over a year later if he was asked for his ring cam footage? Nope. Sure wasn't, the cam that could have caught it all. And the library cam that would have clearly shown Karen "leaving" the scene and would have shown the damage to her taillight, the narrowed down a 2 minute time frame in which she would have driven by...and what do you know? Those 2 minutes are missing. Poof, gone. The state has no idea what happened. I could keep on, but I think you can see where I'm coming from...and it could be any one of us John O'Keefe deserves justice, true justice ❤
They aren't talking about the dog bite evidence, the quickly disappearing missing family dog and the keeping of info on said dog away from the investigation.
Those are dog bites, my son’s arm looks identical…he was mauled by a dog all over his body. His scars even look like the arm of John’s it’s crazy they think he’s been cut by glass, makes no sense.
There's no way she could have gotten up to the speed they claim, on a snowy, slippery road, in the space available. Every witness for WEEKS has told us how it was snowing, but then the "accident expert" didn't factor snow into his calculations? Yeah, right.
Even if the taillight is intact after she may of hit the parked vehicle on her way to go look for him, doesn't that prove that it wasn't broken when she allegedly murdered him?
Yup. The library camera would should that her light wasn't broken. Except the 2 min she happened to be driving by just happens to be the only part of the video missing.
@@Cherokee51774 thats crazy!... I saw that Coffindaffer lady on court TV last week say that the light looked fine after bumping the vehicle. I can't find that interview on TH-cam yet, but nobody called her out on the air for it.
So, we now know that the broken glass that was sitting on the bumper (not embedded), it is not the same glass as the broken tumbler that was beside John's body, just more planted evidence.
And the snowplow driver never saw A body and no red plastic. And then, voila, they find A body and red plastic. And all the people involved with the authorities. Something stinks here.
After the lead investigators testimony there damn well better be an investigation. Just absurd that this officer thinks that his communication with friend and his higher up didn't make him bias.
You guys are leaving out VERY important details. The glass DID NOT come from the cocktail glass. He was found on another cop's lawn. Numerous investigators are friends, family and/or friends of family, of the cop who's lawn he was found on. All from the Prosecution's witnesses. These all seem like incredibly important details to leave out of this report.
She is trying to trick the jury with the wording. He is right. It's not appropriate. She is clearly corrupt as well. Her instructions are confusing. I'm seriously wondering if she may get a guilty verdict now due to tampering with the juries verdict paperwork.
@@MLSPlatforms I don't know the exact time of death so how would i know how much snow when his body landed there? All i know was there was a blizzard and his body was found under a foot of snow
What I don’t understand is why would someone get out of a vehicle and walk behind the vehicle to go into a house that would’ve been in front of the vehicle?
Karen's SUV didn't touch John O'Keefe's vehicle. Backing up and tapping a car is not "hitting" and taillight would not break. Also, the moving vehicle did not hit the stationary vehicle. That Vinnie gave TB any airtime is disgusting.
And Matt McCabes text to Chris Albert "Tell them the guy never came in the house"...... I thought JOK was such a good friend of the McCabes according to Jen. Pfffft.
So dog scrathes are in their words are road rash bullcrap. The scratch marks are consistant to a dog defending whom ever was beating the life out of this offiçer. What would have happened if karen was there ? I can answer my 0wn question and my answer would be probably nothing at all would have happened or there would have been two bodies in the snow,
What about the fact that Karen, while looking for John, called his cell phone and got his voicemail right at the moment she and Jennifer McCabe found his body. That 4 minute voicemail picked up Jen’s 911 call as well as a very interesting call to someone else. This recording is CRAZY!! I cant believe Vinnie hasn’t mentioned this…..
@@estrella5935 don't know if it is. I presume just about anything Aidan says is a lie. I'll state again, how does it prove anything in court and not just something Aidan is pushing to manipulate for profit?
Those are animal bites. I have gotten bites from cats and dogs many times over the years, and I also worked at a Veterinary Hospital, and had bites from both. I loved them all, but they were Stressed Out being in a different situation. These ARE dog bites.
Catch up on the FACTS here: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?
Where is the full video?
The Reckoning Co has a video on this.
thanks for keeping up with karen read case !! please continue
It was a high time for feds to get involved. Fbi should look if death of john okeefe has to do with him having evidence of death of Sandra Birchmore, and some cops being involved. That would be a reason why they needed his phone and to see what digital evidence he had on it. Against certain cops.
I just hope the right person is held responsible for ending that poor man's life, and not an innocent person.
She's innocent
Innocent until proven guilty, and the prosecutor is failing miserably. Bungled csi , witnesses caught out lying .
Beyond all reasonable doubt, I couldn’t convict Karen on what I’ve seen in that court and defence has not started yet .
You're meaning to tell me that a man was murdered in front of a cop's home, full of police officers during a party, and not a single one of them witnessed the murder of a fellow cop? And no security cameras? That's not odd at all.
Am I remembering correctly that there WAS Ring video that was lost?
2 minutes in a video from the library that would prove if her tail light was busted or not. It's a town full of cops that live there
It was a drunken cop convoy.
With one of them making a Google search for "how long to die in cold"
@@Mhe620GO1I thought they said it was when he was found n she was asked to Google it? The time stamp was wrong or whatever, no?
This is not just nationwide. There are people following TBs lived from Canada,the U.K ,Ireland,Mexico. Austria. And yet alot of people in MA still dont know about.
I'm in the UK , I just don't buy there being enough evidence of her reversing into him , to kill someone you would need to do at least 30mph , you can't reverse into someone quick enough , especially to break a light panel , it just doesn't work as a theory imo
Denmark and Sweden as well!!
@Sassy_Pants.. oh wow I love it!!
@@Sassy_Pants.. do you follow Turtleboy?
@@susanconstantino9310 yes for a long time since an old fb account maybe 2012ish! I’m from Plymouth, Ma. My maternal family is all in Scandinavia and are following the case..
Tail light and cocktail glass are meaningless if they were planted/manipulated after the death.
Yeah why go for something plausible like being hit by a car when you can believe in 25 plus person conspiracy theory with no motive lolol
Blatant corruption
Not just Massachusetts, national attention on this case.
Global. People are following from around the world, as far as Australia!
Global
He has too many injuries that do NOT align with a car backup.... its pretty clear to any normal, non-police person!!!!
Yeah, definitely a fist fight does more harm than an actual vehicle, you're probably right.
Definitely, not one broken bone . A car trailing at 24 mph would have caused different injuries.
Karen dropped him off at 12:30am-ish. Supposedly hit him on the street & left.
Everyone at the party had cars parked on the street.
When people left the party between 1:30am-3am did they just step over his body?
When the plow went by between 2:15am-2:30am why wasn't John's body mutilated from the plow? The plow driver said he didn't see a body.
The state's timeline does not add up.
And the google searches inside the house "how long for a body to freeze in the snow?"
Come on now!
Must of been some crazy snowdrift action going on lol
There was heavy snowfall all night and his body was not on the road lol. Check your facts pls.
@@suzygordon2331zero snow on the ground until 12 am and from 12 am until john was found, only 3 inches of snow fell, at 7:45is when the snow started dumping 3 feet of snow
@@suzygordon2331you may want to check your facts hun😂😂😂😂😂
@suzygordon2331 Jenn said she saw KR car outside at 12:45...KR arrived at JO house at 12:36. Jenn McCabe was lying.
4 weeks into trial and I wouldn’t trust anything the prosecution ‘found’ on the car after seeing the methods of evidence collection. Solo cups and a leaf blower? Are you kidding me? I don’t know if it’s malice or incompetence but my heart goes out to the O’Keefe family. This investigation was incredibly disrespectful to John’s death.
@@ninskdesign the leaf blower, blew ME, *away*
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I'm guessing it's the cover-up. That makes more sense than being hit by a car
The injuries on his body don’t look like being hit by a car. They look, to me, like a dog attack and a fight.
Exactly 💯
He fought for his life!
Or while in a fight their dog attacked him.
It's weird to me that's so few people have common sense and think that that injury looks anything remotely like a car hit him😂 most sane people would look at it and assume a dog bite right off.... Especially knowing that there was a dog in that home that was known to attack people, and then knowing that the homeowners got rid of the dog months after this incident....hmmmmmm🤔
*EXACTLY*
It's hilarious that now the DA sees a conflict of interest , but not with the witness/investigator conflict of interest.
Right lol evidently he knows what a conflict on interest is but only when it doesn’t serve him well.
Well done Turtleboy!! You forced the MSM to pay attention and do their jobs! You are an absolute gem and deserve all the credit coming your way!
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The fact that “turtle boy” was put in jail for his news reporting/investigative journalism re: a local United
States of America issue in Canton, Massachusetts -should worry you and everyone in this land of the free + home of the brave. People literally go to war and die for our right to speak up for Truth and Justice.
Couldn't agree more 💯💯
Agreed and It happened during Covid with protesters and most just sat back and did nothing
He was arrested and charged with witness tampering
@@mauiswift6391 they are not witnesses. They are unindicted co-conspirators 💯💯. The DA's office is under federal investigation for corruption with the Karen Read case and that same DA's office arrested Dr. TB for reporting/protesting the corruption 💯💯😁😁GFY
He was never put in jail. He was never arrested for journalism. He was arrested for intimidating witnesses! You are not allowed to go to the home of murder witnesses on behalf of the suspect and demand they answer to you! How do you not know this?? He was pointing a camera through the window of Jen McCabes home!! 😂 That is SO WILD!! I knew in June he would be arrested!! He was wildin!!!
Well with all accusations on both sides this should be investigated by an outside agency. Neither are the victims in this case John Okeefe is the victim and his death needs to be solved.
The only problem with that is the DA is clearly pushing back and saying there are no problems.
He came on TV telling peaceful protesters to knock it off like he was my mother.
He presumed her guilt in that statement he read. That goes against ethics right there.
We are innocent until proven guilty.
But not in Norfolk County.
Your constitutional rights are stripped once you step foot in Canton, MA.
It’s wild!
Karen might also be a victim. She lost someone close to her, and may have been subjected to gross police misconduct and abuse of power spending decades in prison as an innocent person.
A few bad apples indeed.
@@darcymoon2109 absolutely! And I think that’s why so many people locally are invested in this. This could easily happen to any one of us if it could happen to her. What if we didn’t have the money for a private attorney, etc.
@@carolineforth4261Yep, back the blue until it happens to you.
@@darcymoon2109The whole Tyrannical police force is rotten, there are more than just "a few bad apples".
Lally says “cocktail glass imbedded in the bumper.” On 6/3/24 testimony and pictures, we all saw pieces of glass just sprinkled onto the bumper. Nothing was imbedded. Yet another lie.
@@sethfroman7044 Also didn't match the glass found in the yard
So glad the Feds are stepping in here.
The whole tail lamp being the only damage to her car with no other damage nor blood on the car ...while the victim looks like he has been "punched by Mike Tyson" with what looks like scratches and puncture wounds (that look as they came from the dog) on his arms ... with the car considered to be the weapon used to kill him is absolutely comical ...an impact like that would cause more than a broken tail lamp ffs!!! Add the snow plow driver that prosecution nor LE interviewed that stated that his body was NOT there at the alleged time Karen Read was suppose to have ran over him is even more indicative of her being innocent! The google by the officers wife "how long to die in the cold" is absolutely suspicious! Thank God this is being investigated by the Feds!
Where did the car hit his body??
@ALadyJett The car DIDN'T hit him.
KR is Factually innocent! John O’Keefe deserves justice.
I tend to agree with you *with the information and facts I have today* My opinion may change when more facts become available to me (the public.)
@@ChristinaTodd1970TB has been saying it. And lots of people have picked the information apart. Microdots on TH-cam has all the information in videos breaking down the same state police crew on other cases and this one how different they treated it
As does Karen Read, Aidan Kearney, the McCabes & Alberts, the DA...
hos long to die in cold by Jen McCabe
Where is Chloe the German Shepherd?
They got rid of the German Shepherd a month after this happened.....Dun dun dun
Why did the Alberts re do the basement? Why did the Alberts sell the house so under its market value?
@@jmc8626The house can be explained with becuse a murder happened there usually house can plummet in value, what is weird is his autopsy, them getting rid of their dog, and the prosecution should show how the hell a reverse in someone driveway does so much damage to give him 2 black eyes? the back head laceration can be explained by him falling hitting his head, and his arm there are so many "scratches" or whatever they wanna call it. for me there is still reasonable doubt
And i dont trust American cops generally i am not from usa, but ofcourse people who do not live there only see the negative aspect of police becuse that is whats usually ends up in the news not all the good things.
Killed in.the house no doubt about it don't care fat boy Morrissey needs a pink slip 🙄
She was "rehomed" not even 2 months after the murder
I believe there is too much reasonable doubt to convict her.
I agree. Even if she did hit him with the vehicle, I doubt it was more than an accident. I do realize a death within a DUI complicates that to some degree. But there's no way they could prove some evil murder.
@@Bess9779They were hoping that upgrading the charge from manslaughter to murder would scare her into taking a plea deal so this would quietly go away. How did that work out for them?
@@katiej4755Who’s “they”?? It was a group of 24 everyday people who, after hearing all of the evidence (that you and I have not heard) decided to upgrade the charges. The prosecutors may be obligated to reveal exculpatory evidence, but they are sitting on a ton of INCULPATORY evidence and will not reveal it until trial. This woman is done for!
@@Bess9779she didn't get out the car, he got out and went in by himself, plus the marks on his body, the beating,marks on his body. Hell! she must of been Hellboy . Just a conversation with to ask u knowing some more about this do u feel a cover up somewhere in his department.. officer O'Keefe. Like to have a friendly conversation about what u think about this case. Be Bless and Happy New Years
Colin Albert killed John O'Keefe
Officer John O’Keffe deserves justice. FBI must find out the truth about his death
yes this . fbi needs to get involved. too much corruption in that town
@@georgewashington3555they are involved. They’re investigating the investigators.
The Albert's killed officer O'Keefe and framed Karen read for it
Remember Waco and Ruby Ridge, the FBI is compromised!!!
TurtleBoy is the finder of story
U his cheerleader??Hes not the finder of a murder...u lonely ppl I swear
Her defense is the ones who put it out there if u pay attn
@@WVGIRL72that’s obvious. But did you know about this case in April? I didn’t.
Turtleboy blew this case wide open!
@@carolineforth4261 nothing has changed since April. Including Karen's tendency to drive drunk, hit things, and drive off.
@@WVGIRL72You seem a little jealous about Turtle Boys recognition for all of the time and work he has put into this.
It just doesn’t make sense that they had a fight she decided to hit a police officer (her boyfriend) and leave him to die in the snow outside a house party with other police officers! What if someone found him before he died, what if he managed to crawl inside and tell them what happened? It’s just not believable. I also googled picture of dog bites /scratches on arm and there were some photos that had identical markings as he had! A fight with the nephew inside the house and the dog jumped him makes the most sense!
I agree,it doesn't add up. I heard a recording of the moment Karen's so called friends dropped her off at the house when they discovered John's body. Karen was genuinely crazy upset yelling and screaming trying to get John warm and do for, while Jen McCabe stayed warm in the car denying blankets for John. Jen was cold and calm on the phone to 911. Jen said ," there is a man passed out in the snow" to the 911 operator. Not,"my friend John O'Keefe". Not,"a Boston police officer." And Jen didn't go inside her sister's house to get blankets or ask Boston cop Brian Albert to come out and help. Jen wanted John dead so he couldn't tell what happened.💯
I have not followed this case at all so I am coming at this from a place of ignorance, but I have grown really pessimistic whenever people in the true crime community claim conspiracy or cover up. It is claimed on literally every high profile case. So that said, re canine bites, this is Massachusetts. Could the injuries that appear to be dog bites be contributed to a wild animal as he lay out in the snow?
@@MissaPalityI have asked the same thing and it must be too logical of a question because no one will answer that question and, they seem to have all the answers, so, couldn't a wild dog or dog have chewed on his body while laying in the snow all night? It's definitely possible imo.
Perhaps but if a fight broke out in the house where they owned a German Shepard does it not make sense it would jump at John protecting its family? Also I need to add that they owned the dog for 6 years it had 2 incidents of attacks that Canton hid from public records, also they re-homed the dog immediately after this incident. And the tissue samples from those scratches are missing.
@@MissaPalitybut the bites are located in a defensive spot. How would you try to defend yourself against a dog? Arm up.
You go, Turtle Boy! Thanks for exposing this injustice.
Tortoiseboy lmfao
@@WVGIRL72oh that was so funny 🙄
The “how long to die in the cold” text is what got me to pay attention to this case.
@ellafacebooktruecrimecases3644 Yeah that's not sketchy @All. 👀
Coffindaffer sounds unhinged every time I see her on a panel
Coffindoofer
I’ve never posted a thing on Twitter I have however liked comments…after I read she admitted the tale light was intact I went to go see what her excuse was…lo and behold I’m blocked. Who has time to go through and block people woh like comments! No credibility when you block people for simply likening comments you don’t like …pathetic
coffindaffer works for an agency.. that promotes any kind of law enforcement in public media. She will always be on the side of law enforcement , its her salaried job. paid actor. she should not be able to go on tv pretending she is independent. Why is this channel not making her say who she works for?
Because she is
@amara7733 you are not the only one. No one is allowed to question!
U can clearly see the car move on the video wow unbelievable this is why so many innocent people are in prison
Nobody can see that car move. They will just show it a million times until they convince someone that it moved a centimeter .
@@kellycalton3767bro what are you talking about? You can tell the car got nudged
@@mondoburger4049 but did you with your own eyes see it move because I sure didn't. I saw her back into the car but never saw it move
@@kellycalton3767I’ve seen a closer clip and it moves, 100%.
It is on u tube the tire does move. Think it was retired FBI investigator Sean his last name starts with a M. Sean also shows the video that the back tail light still shown red, until Procter got a hold of her car and the first 42 minutes has disappeared.
It does sound like the cops are covering for whatever they did to that guy. It also does not look like those cuts on his arm were made from a cocktail glass. Sounds like prosecution is reaching for something because they have nothing.
Anyone new looking into this case can see Karen Read is innocent, the evidence doesn't lie.
There’s my #1 man of Court TV 💯 Class Act with the color suit and tie combination ☺️ Been watching him for years ❤️ 🙋🏻♀️Mass resident here . J.O. deserves Justice 🙏🏼 Why sell the house and get rid of the dog ?? Shady 💩 happening in Mass!
That is not cuts from a glass, they are dog bites and puncture wounds! Even Stevie Wonder can see that 🤦♀️
Agree💯
Those don't look like any dogbites I've ever seen--
@@kathymccarthy5264dog scratches and they are 100% from a German shepherd and one that already had attacked many other people
@samanthasmile7746 I've never heard of a dog attack where the dog only scratched and didn't bite. That's a first. But, the feds are involved now so all this cover up bs will finally be put to rest --
But why would they just plop him outside? That confuses me
Cell phone data dont lie..she did the search at 2:27am...not any other later time..
Snaggle tooth Jen did the search.
The most probable course of events is that OKeefe/Albert got into a beef, a push or shove, then fisticuffs. The dog got involved and a full attack was on. Probably got knocked into some furniture or down the stairs and split his head open and was knocked out. They dragged him outside to die.
Colin Albert jumped him..thats what happend
😢
@@jmc8626who is Colin
@@MLSPlatforms 18 yr old neighbor to John O'Keefe at the time of his death, his family owns d & e pizza in canton, and he's the nephew to Brian Albert (who owned the house that John was found out on the lawn.) Colin was/is known to be a hothead and one to pick fights, posting on socials threatening people and sporting black eyes and busted up knuckles. so knowing that he had issues with John the theory of him and John getting into it, whether he jumped him or he just got the better of him, is not far fetched- (its where I'd put my money if I were to wager a bet for sure... he likely didn't mean to kill him I'm sure, but I do think that he was the catalyst and when all was said and done the others in the house went into damage control wanting to protect him seeing as he is family, was 18 at the time, and seemingly had his whole life ahead of him.)
Nephew of Brian Albert owner of the house. Known to be a hot head and had previous issues with John
This case is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Karen Read is innocent! 🇬🇧
All the butt-dials. Phones getting disposed of, just in time to avoid a preservation order. A pet mysteriously rehomed. I initially started out thinking KR was guilty of something, just because the theory was so wild and so-called journalists were out there conducting witness intimidation (allegedly). After a few days of watching the trial, and more than a few "that's odd" moments from the prosecution witness testimony, I started to come around to the defense's theory that she might have been framed. After the experts testified - game over. There is just no way she did it.
Was there a beef between the 2 cops, or Collin Albert who had a problem with John and a known loose cannon with cuts on his knuckles like he was in a fight!
Yes
Wait a minute Vinnie! ITS ALL BECAUSE OF TURTLEBOY! The news NEVER said a word till Aiden and us TurtleRiders won’t quit! Give credit where credits due!!!! News channel in Boston don’t want to go against the bad cops either! Shame on all of them. Again THANK YOU AIDEN!🤗🤗🤗❌⭕️😘
yeah, all the misinformation and unproven allegations...
You're taking credit for
Turtleboys achievement
becuz you watch and are
a sub of that channel.
Wow! Wowwie!
@@suzygordon2331 again thank you Turtleboy ❤️💙💜
@@ninajefferson4018 again thank you Turtleboy! Where was all the news media ? including @Court tv ❤️💙💜
@@karenbellerose4498 ok
Finally the truth coming out full force, not just by TB 🐢. I swear Vinny is the only one on court tv with a brain. He knew from the beginning...🙌🏼
They can absolutely tell when those keystrokes were made, let alone the time if the search.
Actually they cannot tell when keystrokes were made. That is TV nonense. They can only tell when a document as saved, not when it was written. Fo example, when you use a program like Word, it always records a copy of every draft. That draft can tell you whe it was saved, bu not when it was written.
@@chrisgullett4332
I disagree. Maybe not the actual letters themselves but definitely input, orientation of screen, where you were located at the time of the inquiry. Technology is not a criminal’s friend.
@@ChristinaTodd1970 No they cannot. You clearly do not understand how things work. You watch oo much TV. They also cannot tell where you were located by your phone. Pings are not accurate, they are juuuu a suggest in triangulation. Not to mention, knowing where you rphone was does not mean you were with it. Knowing something was done on the phone does not tell you who did it. Technology actually is a criminals friend, because advnaces in technology is helping criminals. Even evidence like DNA and fingerprints are way less reliable now since technology has advanced.
The apple cacoa app counts in milliseconds back from the start of the program in 1999, to tell you how many seconds it was after 1999 that you started a search for hos long to die in cold. 2:27 am Boom 💥
@@blabl590 Again, knowing when somene did a search, does not tell you who did the search. The funny thing about devices is anybody can use them. This was not about searches though, the OP said they can tell when keysstrokes were made which is false. Also, doing a search aout the effect sof snow couls b edone for several reason. Maybe the person was about to walk somewhere and wanted to see how safe it was. Maybe they wanted to go sledding. If your neighbor gets stabbed, and you did a earch recently for knives, it does not mean you stabbed them. It's like y'all lack critical thinking.
Where's the blood, has to be blood somewhere! On the ground, inside the Sgt's home where the carpet was ripped out. There's got to be blood somewhere.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the home owners had basement floor/or carpets replaced within months of the murder. But even regardless of that, the house was NEVER searched, ever. Which in an of itself seems to support the defenses allegations that the investigation was mishandled.
@@Baqota Correct
Also, the cop sold the house right after OKeef was murdered there for $50,000 under market rate (according to That Chapter channel). So cant investigate the house, which is so crazy! Cops are totally lying.
Probably on the carpet they replaced.
Maybe some is still there. You would need someone willing to investigate that. The cops are busy right now trying to save their own asses.
@cherokee5174
Same thought. That’s why floor replaced and house sold.
Barely any blood outside.
No cup or cocktail cup did that to his arm. Lol, give me a break. Justice for Karen!
Love ya Ted but come on now we know a piece of glass didnt maul johns arm.
Lol
He knows that. He just has to play by the rules of the MSM and say what each side is saying. Ted knows there is something seriously wrong with this case, as does Vinny.
The world is watching this, UK here. How in 2024 in the USA there is a town ran by mobsters, my jaw is on the floor! They are morally corrupt & rotten to their core. The entire civil service of that town needs to be dissolved & reinstated but people capable of being a competent civil servant. It’s DISGRACEFUL beyond any words I can say.
All of the Alberts are responsible as well as the entire town of police officers that were complicit in their false testimonies. Shocking, the FBI is not involved in this immediately wow
When the injuries can't add up to the cause then you have a problem.
Turtle Boy brought this case up several months ago. He has uncovered so may facts that show Karen is innocent. With the feds involved it is finally getting local media attention. So glad Ted and you are covering this case. You should have Turtle Boy on so you get a good understanding of all the facts he has uncovered.
💜👏💜👏💜
He brought it up right after it happened.
At that time there wasn't much evidence. It did seem she did it.
Then he fact checked himself. Here we are.
From seeing the CCTV footage they looked happy, I want more details how they think reversing into him can kill him , it would knock him over but not kill him imo , reversing wouldn't be fast enough , 10-15 mph if that, reversing sounds different to going forward , especially at speed , I dont believe she could get the amount of speed up to kill him , I think it would be loud enough for neighbours to hear.
Therefore it leaves him going into the home.
It just makes no sense she dropped him off then reversed into him , I just don't buy it at all ,unless they can recreate how they think it happened then its not for me.
If its a crime scene , where is the evidence of tyre marks in the snow , the way the marks would look in the snow would stand out as the wheel marks in the snow would be angled toward the pavement..
Right! I never thought of that. No one EVER thought they could kill someone by slowly backing into them on a lawn.
I have literally been saying this exact thing for months. You are the first person I have seen write a comment like this, too. Thank you. I was starting to think I was seeing things thru different lenses.
They have never had an accident recreation specialist go out and do a reenactment, only measurements. It's changed from a 3 point turn to backing in to him... wait for it, at approx 24.2 miles per hour. According to the state, she drove 60 ft at 24.2 mph in a light covering of snow. They've never outright said how the injuries occurred, but how many things can actually happen at one time? Cuts from a glass, injuries only to the head and arms, hands (no lower body, or broken bones), and he was found over 12 ft from the road. Did the taillight, and nothing else, hit...what? Also, he supposedly was out in the snowfall, in freezing Temps, bleeding out... but was still alive for 6 hours later? Albeit, barely, but no way... where is all the blood from his head? Drops of blood covered were collected in solo cups... There's so much more. It's crazy that they thought they could just brush this on by.
Another officer with a ring camera lived across the street, he was asked over a year later if he was asked for his ring cam footage? Nope. Sure wasn't, the cam that could have caught it all. And the library cam that would have clearly shown Karen "leaving" the scene and would have shown the damage to her taillight, the narrowed down a 2 minute time frame in which she would have driven by...and what do you know? Those 2 minutes are missing. Poof, gone. The state has no idea what happened. I could keep on, but I think you can see where I'm coming from...and it could be any one of us John O'Keefe deserves justice, true justice ❤
They aren't talking about the dog bite evidence, the quickly disappearing missing family dog and the keeping of info on said dog away from the investigation.
Also pls google Sandra Birchmore, underage+groomed by authorities.
Canton covered that up to
John okeefe had info on that. They wanted his phone to get to the evidence he had on that girl or something related.
Higgins and Alberts killed that man and Proctor tried to help cover it up with the help of the judge Auntie Bev. It’s a complete $hit show.
Higgins allegedly said it was Colin and Brian A who beat John while Higgins was trying to pull Chloe off
Those are dog bites, my son’s arm looks identical…he was mauled by a dog all over his body. His scars even look like the arm of John’s it’s crazy they think he’s been cut by glass, makes no sense.
I think the cops did it!!!!
I think you're right
They *did do it
Cops nephew Colin also involved
There's no way she could have gotten up to the speed they claim, on a snowy, slippery road, in the space available. Every witness for WEEKS has told us how it was snowing, but then the "accident expert" didn't factor snow into his calculations? Yeah, right.
Even if the taillight is intact after she may of hit the parked vehicle on her way to go look for him, doesn't that prove that it wasn't broken when she allegedly murdered him?
Yup. The library camera would should that her light wasn't broken. Except the 2 min she happened to be driving by just happens to be the only part of the video missing.
@@Cherokee51774 thats crazy!... I saw that Coffindaffer lady on court TV last week say that the light looked fine after bumping the vehicle. I can't find that interview on TH-cam yet, but nobody called her out on the air for it.
Shame on us! Shame on all authorities! THANK YOU Turtleboy! 🐢 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🥰
They totally framed Karen.
So, we now know that the broken glass that was sitting on the bumper (not embedded), it is not the same glass as the broken tumbler that was beside John's body, just more planted evidence.
If I was her I’d be planning to move out of Massachusetts. Corrupt cops are dangerous.
Maybe she already has?
What was on the rug or flooring in the basement that they had it replaced quickly after the murder....?
Police never checked the house up until the day it was sold (undervalued)
After watching this trial, I don't even know if I have trust in the Feds.
And the snowplow driver never saw A body and no red plastic. And then, voila, they find A body and red plastic. And all the people involved with the authorities. Something stinks here.
I hope she is acquitted!!! ❤
This case has IMO turned into a circus. It's good to hear the Feds are checking in to it (if in fact this is true) 😮
Arm's lesions = Huge dogbite
Cops did it!!!!!
After the lead investigators testimony there damn well better be an investigation. Just absurd that this officer thinks that his communication with friend and his higher up didn't make him bias.
Oh yeah that makes sense the small piece of glass just hung out on the bumper, and went along for the ride as well during a blizzard!
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN..your done…. Stick a fork in it..
So here we are 6 months later. What is the FBI waiting for?!
Umm...if she ran him over wouldn't there be evidence on the car?
Karen was totally shocked when she saw him on the Alberts lawn. Not guilty
Why would a cop throw away his phone and another break his sim card I smell bullshite
Now we know why feds are involved
good it's about time.. we ve had lots of corrupt cops & politicians over the years. It's about damn time..
I can't believe people compare Vinnie to Nancy Grace. Vinny has class
Watch Vinnie's coverage of anything Bryan Kohlberger. It's enough to make Nancy blush. Disgusting in fact.😂😂
They both have different styles. I like them both!!
They’re both hyped up
Don’t see any comparison. Bonnie is professional and cool.
Nancy always angry and yelling at people.
Vinnie😂 not sure who Bonnie is
That cocktail glass reeks of desperation.
Vinny aint stupid i saw his tail light smirk 😂
Hahha I caught that as well.
He asked her to repeat for clarification.
Vinnie is one of the smartest people I've ever known of.
May the force be with you KR.
You guys are leaving out VERY important details.
The glass DID NOT come from the cocktail glass.
He was found on another cop's lawn.
Numerous investigators are friends, family and/or friends of family, of the cop who's lawn he was found on.
All from the Prosecution's witnesses.
These all seem like incredibly important details to leave out of this report.
I had the investigator had a vehicle 1 hour before returning it so he could have done anything
WOW!!! THESE COPS AND THE ATF AGENT AND OKEEFE BROTHER THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDER
She is trying to trick the jury with the wording. He is right. It's not appropriate.
She is clearly corrupt as well.
Her instructions are confusing.
I'm seriously wondering if she may get a guilty verdict now due to tampering with the juries verdict paperwork.
Wasn’t there a plow driver who didn’t see the body
Yes. He didn't see John at 2:30 and at 3am there was a Ford Edge parked where John was eventually found.
Also the lead investigator lied on report and said a different company plowed that road.
How could a plow driver see anyone with a blizard going on and that much snow. You people are fantasists lol
@@suzygordon2331the storm was just starting! You should get the facts. There was about 1” of snow on the ground.
@@MLSPlatforms I don't know the exact time of death so how would i know how much snow when his body landed there? All i know was there was a blizzard and his body was found under a foot of snow
The GULL that another cop can do something like this to one of their own and then attempt a cover up is alarming to me...I hope the TRUTH comes out
Morrissey needs a pink slip 🙄
Haha, watching this now is amazing. Lilly is corrupt too! Cocktail glass embedded. It wasn’t embedded and it wasn’t cocktail glass.
Wowee this is deep! I’m glad because each side is so firmly rooted in their beliefs, we shall now see hopefully. ❤
KR is innocent!!!
Where are the 3 pints of blood that were missing from his body?
Karen reed ran her boyfriend over and no one saw him in the rd for hours wtf
What I don’t understand is why would someone get out of a vehicle and walk behind the vehicle to go into a house that would’ve been in front of the vehicle?
She’s innocent! The cops and town =Guilty!
RIP JOHN OKEEFE
FREE KAREN READ!
The Local PD, the State Police, and the District Attorneys office are going to have big problems when the DOJ wraps things up.
Karen's SUV didn't touch John O'Keefe's vehicle. Backing up and tapping a car is not "hitting" and taillight would not break. Also, the moving vehicle did not hit the stationary vehicle.
That Vinnie gave TB any airtime is disgusting.
A vehicle did not cause those injuries!!
@@LeanneM-ku6zg you're one of the Karen's for a killer?
It did actually hit his vehicle. If you zoom in, it clearly moves.
@John-tj4up. That’s a sad and strange way to say I see things differently. It just doesn’t add up.
And Matt McCabes text to Chris Albert "Tell them the guy never came in the house"...... I thought JOK was such a good friend of the McCabes according to Jen. Pfffft.
So dog scrathes are in their words are road rash bullcrap. The scratch marks are consistant to a dog defending whom ever was beating the life out of this offiçer. What would have happened if karen was there ? I can answer my 0wn question and my answer would be probably nothing at all would have happened or there would have been two bodies in the snow,
May the truth prevail and may there be Justice for all.
What about the fact that Karen, while looking for John, called his cell phone and got his voicemail right at the moment she and Jennifer McCabe found his body. That 4 minute voicemail picked up Jen’s 911 call as well as a very interesting call to someone else. This recording is CRAZY!! I cant believe Vinnie hasn’t mentioned this…..
You must be one of Aidans cultists
@@nathanderpson4133are you saying that audio was faked?
@@estrella5935 are you saying the audio proves anything in court? Or just another way Aidan manipulates his cult for money?
@@nathanderpson4133 the audio is only a small part. I was asking if you thought it’s a fake.
@@estrella5935 don't know if it is. I presume just about anything Aidan says is a lie. I'll state again, how does it prove anything in court and not just something Aidan is pushing to manipulate for profit?
Those are animal bites. I have gotten bites from cats and dogs many times over the years, and I also worked at a Veterinary Hospital, and had bites from both. I loved them all, but they were Stressed Out being in a different situation. These ARE dog bites.