Genuine conversation? One theory is literally so far out in left field that I started thinking this was staged for views. Love Dale though. He is 100% right. If this is a real argument, I can see how race-craft is only understood by the few, .... and not even all drivers.
Love the emotion too bad we weren't 20 years ago when there'd be a lot more than emotion on the track and after the drivers got out of the cars the way NASCAR was made
Kyle Petty is a wishy washy, mealy mouthed S.O.B. who s reactions are faker than Michael Waltrip's hair. I 'm a Joey Logano Fan and if Denny wrecked Ross, then Chase wrecked Lajoie. Chase is not his father, who I liked.
Mike said it best, “you’re the driver I’m not.” Dale being the driver having dealt with these situations makes him more credible than a media manager imo.
I'm glad im not the only one that doesn't like mike davis. I listen to the DJD for jr's input. He could take Mike off the air, fire him, whatever, I would still watch/listen. I cannot stand him, and I can't even listen to the podcast without headphones around my wife since she hates mike davis so much.
@@johnschwindt3049 Lol. I don’t hate Mike, I just feel his argument was over when he made that statement. He’s never been in a race car to know the mindset or nerves of a driver in that situation. Jr has, so I’m more inclined to believe him over Mike. Like him or not, he gets the channel views. Everybody needs a villain I guess.
@JT Orrick HAHA, funny. Yeah that's irrelevant, he's been around the sport longer than Jr. So Jr's "I'm a driver so I'm right" argument doesn't hold a lot of water for me. Especially when he gets flustered when Mike simply asks for an example. This conversation just showed me that Mike is a better debater than Jr, regardless of who's right. Lol
You can't talk about racing or argue racing with somebody who has clearly never actually driven competitively, let alone a NASCAR race in a prestigious car. Mike is the most uneducated dude to talk about racing with lmaoo
Honestly one of the most civil disagreements I have ever seen. Both men respected the other’s opinions and did not let emotions get them too heated and were able to come to a civil conclusion. Bravo. Good to see this type of disagreement rather than the days of old yelling name calling and insulting.
You're exactly right Jr. A Veteran driver knows how to retaliate without it looking like retaliation. The classic move was by Ross on the final race before the Championship race....flooring it riding the wall to eliminate Hamlin from a chance at a 2022 Championship. Talk about schooling a driver!!! I loved it!!!!
And if anyone thinks the end of the season put an end to Denny and Ross then they’re oblivious. No doubt Denny has had all off-season to stew and plan accordingly. He’s veteran and smart enuff to put it to Ross without making it look like he’s going out of his way to put it to Ross. Unless Denny’s dumber than I’m giving him credit, OR there comes an instance where he loses his 💩 and stops thinking…. Can’t wait for the 2023 season y’all!!! Stay safe!
This is why I like Mike being on the show. He's not afraid to touch on certain subjects & he's not bashful about asking _those_ types of questions or sharing his opinion.
The fact that the Hamlin scene is still causing conversation like this proves the brilliance and experience of Hamlin. Why?? Because Hamlin created the perfect storm to PROVE NO ONE can prove Hamlin did this on purpose!! Contact was made, but all Hamlin has to say is "my car got light and I may have drifted up." No one can prove a thing otherwise...which is why it will ALWAYS be a debate!
Damn it Mike, I've been watching this my whole f**cking life. Loved it. Like trying to explain to your wife or friends how much racing is a part of who we are. Literally my whole life also. Love the back and fourth.
I really appreciate the insights and perspectives discussed on your show. In this conversation, I think something that Dale was closer to than Mike is that any race consists of a time when one driver competes against one other driver to the exclusion of other cars. It becomes very personal and limited to only one other competitor. Call it emotion, call it skill, call it being smart, call it competitive spirit or whatever, but a driver's priorities can be influenced by becoming so focussed on competing with one other driver that they get real good at concealing the way they win. Hamlin is a veteran and I like that.
@@erika_itsumi5141nah, it may have been the busch/Xfinity or cup. Jr gave Ky. Busch payback for an earlier race where Kyle spun JR out. And that's when Ky. Busch, or was a catalyst to, becoming public enemy #1. Although, since roughly 2020, I have become a fan of Kyle. As I think him being blunt and speaking the truth, and honest opinion, is awesome, for the sport, as all these young drivers are PR clones, bland as hell. And awesome because no fucks are given. Which is how I've started to feel in general.
It was retaliation, and damn well-earned! Even Ross agreed himself. It was a pretty smooth form of retaliation, too. Ross could've backed down himself and not hit the wall. But he chose not to. Full marks, Denny.
Mike sounds like arguing with my wife, it's a moving target on what were discussing. The debate should have been, is moving up the track to block (Car is behind you) the same as moving up the track to force the car into the wall(Car is beside you) the same thing. And JR is dead on with how an wise driver uses a scalpel and not a hammer, this is how you keep the officials out of you pocket when you need some getback.
Denny is a pro because initially I was on Mike Davis’ side but then I saw the hit multiple times and I realized Denny 1000% purposely ran Ross into the wall
@@gotemlookin20 Withholding a benefit does not equal punishment. Any court would tell you the same. Driver courtesy is just like a part of racing, you earn it or you don't. If I fail to earn it I have no one to blame but myself.
@@markclemens9964 "withholding a benefit from someone for any action or reason said person did is EXACTLY retaliation" Incorrect. Treating each person acording to the level of respect they deserve is not retaliation. ---- The retaliation (or what one could call natural reaction) occurred at the point in time where the assessment of the level of respect deserved CHANGED. So, retaliation (in that sense) occured long before the race at issue even started. During the race there was only a giving of benefits or withholding of benefits as previously determined would be appropriate, no retaliation during the race.
As a racer I'll say that anytime I'm racing against a rival I will race them harder than anyone else. When there's a history between drivers they will race them harder and put them in positions where they need to lift or drive harder. As for an example of last lap retaliation....bristol.... I didn't mean to wreck him, just wanted to rattle his cage.
Mike low key gets on my nerves. The comments he makes, like he knows whats going on, yet he has never drove a racecar nor understands what actually goes through our minds.
Been going to races all my life. Sure Dale didn't have an example at hand, but imagine thinking a last lap/late race retaliation never happened because he didn't have one right then. I mean c'mon, we all watched the Kes/Edwards debacle and it happened multiple times between just those two guys!
The stage finishes now are actually better than the race finishes, cuz they're actually racing to win stages. At the end of almost every race now there's a wreck, then a restart, then another wreck.. then oh we are in extra laps.. it's ridiculous.
Wow Mike and Jr were HOT! And wow Mike has no clue on this one! Kept saying what about Chase, what about Chase. Not even the same thing…oh Mike and you are on a National podcast! Just agree and talk to celebrities that come on the show.
Mike: “anyone he wants to race hard” So, anyone he feels like he needs to get even with? 😂 Like Jr. I think Denny pulled a savvy veteran move to get revenge and knew exactly what he was doing and how it was going to play out.
I'm with Mike Davis on the first issue. I don't care who is more credible, the fact is that, with the available information, it COULD BE either way. Some times there is no loser or winner to an argument because both sides MIGHT be wrong.
If this had happened in the middle of the race, I could see Mike's point, because usually when a guy runs you high and you can see you're running out of room, that guy will lift... but inside of 20 to go, Denny knew Ross wouldn't lift and drove him into the wall...
I call BULL, if the driver is beside you on the outside he is not gonna lift. Believe it or not passes are made on the outside as well a the inside. If you watched races you would know if the driver on the inside can't pass without drifting into a car fully outside him, he should lift to avoid exactly what Denny did.
@@randyphillips559 you are talking about driver code, driver courtesy That exists between most drivers but not all When a driver WITHHOLDS courtesy , THAT is not de facto retaliation - that is part of racing too - gaining respect so you can get the courtesy And if you don't earn it - that is STILL racing
I agree with Mike, not intentional, just hard racing. As far as a driver code goes it becomes less important when another driver does not show you respect and in this case that may have played a role, but I don’t think it was as intentional as much as just hard racing.
@@randyphillips559 If I watched races, now that's funny... I've been watching nascar since the days when it was only on tv a couple times a year, usually on Wide World of Sports... I've been to multiple tracks to attend races, had renewable tickets to Dover for over 20 yrs. I've been to the Richard Petty Driving Experience THREE times, did Daytona and Charlotte back to back days... My 6 years in an online race pool, picking winners and top ten finishers, I have 3 championships, 2 second places and 1 third place... I think I know a little about racing.... If you knew as much as you think, you'd realize what you are describing is the norm, but this wasn't a normal situation. There were less than 20 laps to go, and the other person was Ross, who had wrecked Denny a few times this season already. Ross didn't deserve Denny's courtesy so Denny repaid the favor and treated Ross the same way Ross had been treating him... payback time!
14:30 I agree with Dale Jr. . broke a driver code BUT a driver code only means driver courtesy So, not retaliation, but was lack of courtesy. He had already said he would not provide courtesy (i.e.,. not cut him any breaks) That statement by Hamlin put Chastain on notice to DRIVE HIM CLEAN - i.e., you are going to have take what you get, not be given be given something through courtesy So, I agree with Mike Davis too :-0) That's racing. 2 cars, 1 hole - if both go for the same hole, that's racing
You’re both right either way it does not make a difference. It’s never worth arguing over something that’s meaningless. It’s like arguing over if something stinks, it’s an opinion. If you argue with a fool the bystanders will forget which one is the fool.
If you watch other forms of motorsports you’ll see drivers run the other out of room on corner exit giving the driver on the outside the option of A) contact B) going off track/into the wall C) lifting Dennis Hamlin gave Chastain those options and Chastain didn’t lift so that way it’s just a racing incident and Dennis is off without a worry. It was clearly with malicious intent that there was no room left but it’s hard to say Hamlin wrecked Chastain on purpose
Again if you watched Nascar you would see drivers on the inside lifting to avoid hitting car on outside all the time especially on occasions when outside lane is faster.
@@randyphillips559 I primarily watch NASCAR. I said no room was left with malicious intent, I also said the primary intent wasn’t for Chastain to clap the wall.
Reviewed the tape. It was hard racing and Hamlin did not cut Ross any slack. Chase ran Lajoie into the wall at Atlanta. I would say Chase Elliot did worse than Hamlin, but Jr has Chase colored glasses.
Yes, someone willing to accept the truth@!! They were both right Jr is right about s driver code (driver courtesy)_ Mike is right that you can lose your privilege to that courtesy Not giving courtesy is not the same as retaliation
Dale is wrong about Corey running into the back of Chase. Chase clipped him in the left front, sending Corey into the wall. I agree with Mike. Love hearing the honest conversations from this podcast. Dirty Mo is doing good things.
If I'm understanding him correctly, Mike was saying that while contact took place, it wasn't necessarily retaliation from Denny, but hard racing. He was saying if this was any other scenario without drivers having beef, it'd just be a hard racing deal. Jr. saw it as retaliation pure and simple, just not overly blatant, but enough to send a message. Me personally, I think either way, Denny got retaliation whether it was intended or not, simply because you have to wonder or even think about it, and the seed of doubt is there. To Mike's point, unless Denny flat out admitted it, you can make the claim one way or the other. To Jr's point, he didn't cut him any slack which was uncharacteristic of how he raced everyone else that day.
Lol! We still did not find out who peed farther, on the racetrack or in the podcast booth. It is ok fellas, the only thing that mattered is what the NASCAR boys think. Cheers from Texas!
Geez, listening to that makes me wonder if Mike has ever watched a race before. Good grief, he wanted to be right so bad that his common sense went on vacation.
I teach/train people in problem resolution... What I'm seeing here is one of my FAVORITE quotes... "W are in VIOLENT agreement!" Yes Denny wrecked him... What was in Denny's mind... we shall never know. But they are saying the same thing . :-)
Dirty MO editor. When such a heated review on a past race among these pros to the sport, how can we the viewers remember a few seconds in a race. Please post a still pic for 2 seconds that can help us to try and remember. A link in upper right hand corner to jump to clip if anything or a link in description. Otherwise it's just a numbing argument between two respected men without understanding.
"What the f#¢k does Kyle petty have to do with this?!?" That's gotta be my favorite Dale Jr sound bite of all time
I loved that! 🤣
Need that on a T-shirt!
Agreed 100 percent!
not saying Mike's an idiot but Damn !!!
That was GOLD 😂😂😂😅
This is the most genuine Dale Jr conversation ever. Dude is a curse-word machine away from the cameras, love it 😂
😆😂😂
That's why Nascar has a 5 second delay on tv because of Jr at Talladega
Genuine conversation? One theory is literally so far out in left field that I started thinking this was staged for views. Love Dale though. He is 100% right. If this is a real argument, I can see how race-craft is only understood by the few, .... and not even all drivers.
@@gaccount2921 Do you really think he would ever say anything wrong ? Hes got more people watching him than anyone. Even Chase
Love the emotion too bad we weren't 20 years ago when there'd be a lot more than emotion on the track and after the drivers got out of the cars the way NASCAR was made
I’d like to think Kyle Petty was watching this and laughingly saying _“that’s incredible!”_
As a chastain fan Ross vs Denny is a great rivalry I hope it continues as respectful and hard racing moving forward
It cannot be incredible unless Kyle Petty deems it so.
Kyle Petty is a wishy washy, mealy mouthed S.O.B. who s reactions are faker than Michael Waltrip's hair. I 'm a Joey Logano Fan and if Denny wrecked Ross, then Chase wrecked Lajoie. Chase is not his father, who I liked.
Mike said it best, “you’re the driver I’m not.” Dale being the driver having dealt with these situations makes him more credible than a media manager imo.
I'm glad im not the only one that doesn't like mike davis. I listen to the DJD for jr's input. He could take Mike off the air, fire him, whatever, I would still watch/listen. I cannot stand him, and I can't even listen to the podcast without headphones around my wife since she hates mike davis so much.
@@johnschwindt3049 Lol. I don’t hate Mike, I just feel his argument was over when he made that statement. He’s never been in a race car to know the mindset or nerves of a driver in that situation. Jr has, so I’m more inclined to believe him over Mike. Like him or not, he gets the channel views. Everybody needs a villain I guess.
Kyle Petty was a driver, too. 😉
@@xmbdesign7421 if you want to call what he did driving. 8 wins in over 800 races in a 30 year career
@JT Orrick HAHA, funny. Yeah that's irrelevant, he's been around the sport longer than Jr. So Jr's "I'm a driver so I'm right" argument doesn't hold a lot of water for me. Especially when he gets flustered when Mike simply asks for an example.
This conversation just showed me that Mike is a better debater than Jr, regardless of who's right. Lol
This is by far the best racing talk clip of the year. Mike was dead wrong and just kept double talking his way further into a hole.
the best part is JR like trying to process how one of his best friends can argue against this.
You can't talk about racing or argue racing with somebody who has clearly never actually driven competitively, let alone a NASCAR race in a prestigious car.
Mike is the most uneducated dude to talk about racing with lmaoo
Honestly one of the most civil disagreements I have ever seen. Both men respected the other’s opinions and did not let emotions get them too heated and were able to come to a civil conclusion. Bravo. Good to see this type of disagreement rather than the days of old yelling name calling and insulting.
As a former driver , flagman, scorer, you name it, i've done it, I totally agree with everything Jr said. This was a great conversation !
You're exactly right Jr. A Veteran driver knows how to retaliate without it looking like retaliation. The classic move was by Ross on the final race before the Championship race....flooring it riding the wall to eliminate Hamlin from a chance at a 2022 Championship. Talk about schooling a driver!!! I loved it!!!!
Hamlin deserved the year he got. Chastain did school him in having a set of balls.
And if anyone thinks the end of the season put an end to Denny and Ross then they’re oblivious. No doubt Denny has had all off-season to stew and plan accordingly. He’s veteran and smart enuff to put it to Ross without making it look like he’s going out of his way to put it to Ross. Unless Denny’s dumber than I’m giving him credit, OR there comes an instance where he loses his 💩 and stops thinking…. Can’t wait for the 2023 season y’all!!! Stay safe!
@@BC41B the latter is probably going to be the truth. Yes...he's a veteran driver, but he's far from being a smart veteran driver....js
This is why I like Mike being on the show. He's not afraid to touch on certain subjects & he's not bashful about asking _those_ types of questions or sharing his opinion.
Except Georgia State... lol
The fact that the Hamlin scene is still causing conversation like this proves the brilliance and experience of Hamlin. Why?? Because Hamlin created the perfect storm to PROVE NO ONE can prove Hamlin did this on purpose!!
Contact was made, but all Hamlin has to say is "my car got light and I may have drifted up." No one can prove a thing otherwise...which is why it will ALWAYS be a debate!
"what the f**k kyle petty got to do with this?" 🤣🤣🤣
Best statement ever!!!! Lol
Mike is living in a dream world.
Denny absolutely crowded Chastain and wrecked him in front of the entire field. Absolutely.
Damn it Mike, I've been watching this my whole f**cking life. Loved it. Like trying to explain to your wife or friends how much racing is a part of who we are. Literally my whole life also. Love the back and fourth.
I really appreciate the insights and perspectives discussed on your show. In this conversation, I think something that Dale was closer to than Mike is that any race consists of a time when one driver competes against one other driver to the exclusion of other cars. It becomes very personal and limited to only one other competitor. Call it emotion, call it skill, call it being smart, call it competitive spirit or whatever, but a driver's priorities can be influenced by becoming so focussed on competing with one other driver that they get real good at concealing the way they win. Hamlin is a veteran and I like that.
This might be the greatest 17mins in Dirty Mo’s history
Amen. Some of most entertaining content we could ask for. Just one more reason Dirty Mo rocks!
When Denny was on the Bumper Door Clear podcast and they brought this up to him, Denny's impersonation of Dale Jr was hilarious.
I wonder what Denny and Ross thought of this clip. Lol! Good stuff!
Man y’all gotta start releasing the full podcast videos on TH-cam. I’d actually watch the whole thing. Listening to it just don’t do it justice.
This turned into Skip Bayless vs Shannon Sharpe REAL fast.
Lol SKIPP
Dale jr turning Kyle Busch at Richmond is a prime example
That was the truck race right
@@erika_itsumi5141nah, it may have been the busch/Xfinity or cup. Jr gave Ky. Busch payback for an earlier race where Kyle spun JR out. And that's when Ky. Busch, or was a catalyst to, becoming public enemy #1.
Although, since roughly 2020, I have become a fan of Kyle. As I think him being blunt and speaking the truth, and honest opinion, is awesome, for the sport, as all these young drivers are PR clones, bland as hell. And awesome because no fucks are given. Which is how I've started to feel in general.
11:36 Kyle petty moment
12:53 Mike proves JR is right. The debate is over 😂
Why is Mike even on this show 😂
Because he's half right
Jr is right about s driver code (driver courtesy)_
Mike is right that you can lose your privilege to that courtesy
“You’re the driver, I’m not”Exactly. 😂 Mike, you’re losing it.
It was retaliation, and damn well-earned! Even Ross agreed himself. It was a pretty smooth form of retaliation, too. Ross could've backed down himself and not hit the wall. But he chose not to. Full marks, Denny.
Mike sounds like arguing with my wife, it's a moving target on what were discussing. The debate should have been, is moving up the track to block (Car is behind you) the same as moving up the track to force the car into the wall(Car is beside you) the same thing. And JR is dead on with how an wise driver uses a scalpel and not a hammer, this is how you keep the officials out of you pocket when you need some getback.
i said the same thing… lol
Mike is annoying!!
Denny clearly rode him to the wall. I just watched both wrecks, chase was blocking, "Actions speak louder than words"
Denny is a pro because initially I was on Mike Davis’ side but then I saw the hit multiple times and I realized Denny 1000% purposely ran Ross into the wall
Hahaha this was my favorite. This is the one time I wanted to fight mike myself 🤣🤣🤣
I love it 😂 healthy debate amongst friends and colleagues - the gubmint could learn from this- nice job guys!
Mike missed on this one. Jr got it exactly right. Mike tried six different ways to justify his view, and NONE of them worked.
I think you're wrong :-0)
Jr is right about s driver code (driver courtesy)_
Mike is right that you can lose your privilege to that courtesy
Which makes Mike Wrong bc if you lose that courtesy you are being punished for whatever you did making it retaliation…
@@gotemlookin20 Withholding a benefit does not equal punishment.
Any court would tell you the same.
Driver courtesy is just like a part of racing, you earn it or you don't.
If I fail to earn it I have no one to blame but myself.
@@2Truth4Liberty withholding a benefit from someone for any action or reason said person did is EXACTLY retaliation
@@markclemens9964
"withholding a benefit from someone for any action or reason said person did is EXACTLY retaliation"
Incorrect. Treating each person acording to the level of respect they deserve is not retaliation.
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The retaliation (or what one could call natural reaction) occurred at the point in time where the assessment of the level of respect deserved CHANGED.
So, retaliation (in that sense) occured long before the race at issue even started. During the race there was only a giving of benefits or withholding of benefits as previously determined would be appropriate, no retaliation during the race.
Mike, you can't argue with Jr... After this episode, Jr. let the air out of Mike's tires.
😂🤣😂! Good stuff! I’m with Jr on this one.🤷🏼♂️😂🤣
I love this kind of exchange. Keep it coming
My favorite segment on this show ever.
The birth of a t-shirt @ 11:40
ABSOLUTELY #1 LOL This was the quote of the year!
I love watching people double and triple down on a losing argument….pride is a hilarious thing. Good stuff guys!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂😊
I just love it when Mike riles up Dale Jr, I don't even care what the subject is.
Good job Mike 😄
I love the part when jr says I got an army behind me.
Going with Dale on this one .. that was funny .. wtf Kyle petty got to do with this 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Mike sure hates being wrong and being called out on it.
As a racer I'll say that anytime I'm racing against a rival I will race them harder than anyone else. When there's a history between drivers they will race them harder and put them in positions where they need to lift or drive harder. As for an example of last lap retaliation....bristol.... I didn't mean to wreck him, just wanted to rattle his cage.
YES!! I remember Dale Sr. saying that with that smirk of his..lol OMG I loved it!!!
non Nascar driver arguing with a retired Nascar driver LOL ridiculous!!!
Hell I forgot which side of the argument was going in what direction at the end!
Hey Mike, I think Jr knows what he’s talking about.
Both do, there is middle ground
Jr is right about s driver code (driver courtesy)_
Mike is right that you can lose your privilege to that courtesy
This was a hilarious segment. I still haven't decided if denny pay Ross back yet on purpose. 😄
Denny should have been parked ...he thinks his crap doesn't stink and I hope Ross never changes.
Ha ha ha... good discussion between two guys... loved it.
Mike low key gets on my nerves. The comments he makes, like he knows whats going on, yet he has never drove a racecar nor understands what actually goes through our minds.
Been going to races all my life. Sure Dale didn't have an example at hand, but imagine thinking a last lap/late race retaliation never happened because he didn't have one right then.
I mean c'mon, we all watched the Kes/Edwards debacle and it happened multiple times between just those two guys!
Generally speaking, I like Mike Davis and enjoy his input on the show. With that said, this is *not* a good look for him.
Dale Jr. Keeps it real!! Misspell on previous post. Hell,if your name is Dale or an Earnhardt...you rock or your Mom and Dad do!
That was a great show but you're right Dale Denny ran Ross into the wall
Somewhere Denny is grinning. 😏
The stage finishes now are actually better than the race finishes, cuz they're actually racing to win stages. At the end of almost every race now there's a wreck, then a restart, then another wreck.. then oh we are in extra laps.. it's ridiculous.
Mike is wrong, Kyle was wrong. Dale is right.
Wow Mike and Jr were HOT! And wow Mike has no clue on this one! Kept saying what about Chase, what about Chase. Not even the same thing…oh Mike and you are on a National podcast! Just agree and talk to celebrities that come on the show.
Dale Jr. Never gets mad. When I want to laugh this is my go to video.
Mike: “anyone he wants to race hard”
So, anyone he feels like he needs to get even with? 😂 Like Jr. I think Denny pulled a savvy veteran move to get revenge and knew exactly what he was doing and how it was going to play out.
Very entertaining disagreement. I loved this discussion.
Favorite argument so far 😂
I'm with Mike Davis on the first issue.
I don't care who is more credible, the fact is that, with the available information, it COULD BE either way.
Some times there is no loser or winner to an argument because both sides MIGHT be wrong.
Mike is dead wrong Denny is a dirty racer and it was retaliation.
If this had happened in the middle of the race, I could see Mike's point, because usually when a guy runs you high and you can see you're running out of room, that guy will lift... but inside of 20 to go, Denny knew Ross wouldn't lift and drove him into the wall...
I call BULL, if the driver is beside you on the outside he is not gonna lift. Believe it or not passes are made on the outside as well a the inside. If you watched races you would know if the driver on the inside can't pass without drifting into a car fully outside him, he should lift to avoid exactly what Denny did.
@@randyphillips559 you are talking about driver code, driver courtesy
That exists between most drivers but not all
When a driver WITHHOLDS courtesy , THAT is not de facto retaliation - that is part of racing too - gaining respect so you can get the courtesy
And if you don't earn it - that is STILL racing
I agree with Mike, not intentional, just hard racing. As far as a driver code goes it becomes less important when another driver does not show you respect and in this case that may have played a role, but I don’t think it was as intentional as much as just hard racing.
@@randyphillips559 If I watched races, now that's funny... I've been watching nascar since the days when it was only on tv a couple times a year, usually on Wide World of Sports... I've been to multiple tracks to attend races, had renewable tickets to Dover for over 20 yrs. I've been to the Richard Petty Driving Experience THREE times, did Daytona and Charlotte back to back days... My 6 years in an online race pool, picking winners and top ten finishers, I have 3 championships, 2 second places and 1 third place... I think I know a little about racing.... If you knew as much as you think, you'd realize what you are describing is the norm, but this wasn't a normal situation. There were less than 20 laps to go, and the other person was Ross, who had wrecked Denny a few times this season already. Ross didn't deserve Denny's courtesy so Denny repaid the favor and treated Ross the same way Ross had been treating him... payback time!
11:30 you're welcome
"That's not an argument."
Correct, Dale....😂
Mike has a way of bringing the Sr out in Jr
Yes!!!
What the hell is Mike smoking ? This argument is not about this wreck ! Mike's days are numbered ?
[hits blunt]
Bruh... Denny didn't wreck him...
[exhales]
Denny knew full well who it was on the outside and would NOT have done what he did if it were anybody else. That's Racing !!
Except for Larson!?!??!! You Hamlin apologists are hilarious!!
Hahahahaha “wtf does Kyle petty have to do with it”
I've always said Mike doesn't respect himself that's why he doesn't know when to shut up. What would Mike do if it wasn't for JR.
Junior is fired right up, love it
If you want to know if Hamlin did it intentionally, watch Kyle (#18) lift when he sees them coming out of the turn. Kyle knows what's coming.
14:30 I agree with Dale Jr. . broke a driver code BUT a driver code only means driver courtesy
So, not retaliation, but was lack of courtesy. He had already said he would not provide courtesy (i.e.,. not cut him any breaks)
That statement by Hamlin put Chastain on notice to DRIVE HIM CLEAN - i.e., you are going to have take what you get, not be given be given something through courtesy
So, I agree with Mike Davis too :-0)
That's racing.
2 cars, 1 hole - if both go for the same hole, that's racing
You’re both right either way it does not make a difference. It’s never worth arguing over something that’s meaningless. It’s like arguing over if something stinks, it’s an opinion. If you argue with a fool the bystanders will forget which one is the fool.
I love this damn clip best one yet
Mike, you are wrong. 😁
Hey @DaleJr a Alabama fan will never admit there wrong. Which is why Mike Davis is the way he is.
If you watch other forms of motorsports you’ll see drivers run the other out of room on corner exit giving the driver on the outside the option of A) contact B) going off track/into the wall C) lifting
Dennis Hamlin gave Chastain those options and Chastain didn’t lift so that way it’s just a racing incident and Dennis is off without a worry. It was clearly with malicious intent that there was no room left but it’s hard to say Hamlin wrecked Chastain on purpose
Again if you watched Nascar you would see drivers on the inside lifting to avoid hitting car on outside all the time especially on occasions when outside lane is faster.
@@randyphillips559 I primarily watch NASCAR. I said no room was left with malicious intent, I also said the primary intent wasn’t for Chastain to clap the wall.
Dale needed to cut Davis' microphone off and say "So, you finally agree with me. Let's go to our next caller" Lol 🙂.
My favorite, guy in booth says "I'll look it up." In front of a computer, grabs his phone.
I’m surprised Mike still has a job after this, good grief.
Mike knew he lost this debate, he was trying to say face.
Reviewed the tape. It was hard racing and Hamlin did not cut Ross any slack. Chase ran Lajoie into the wall at Atlanta. I would say Chase Elliot did worse than Hamlin, but Jr has Chase colored glasses.
Splitting hairs on this issue but I tend to agree with Jr. on this. Perhaps they are both right.
Yes, someone willing to accept the truth@!! They were both right
Jr is right about s driver code (driver courtesy)_
Mike is right that you can lose your privilege to that courtesy
Not giving courtesy is not the same as retaliation
Pick a situation your Dad was in
Dale is wrong about Corey running into the back of Chase. Chase clipped him in the left front, sending Corey into the wall. I agree with Mike. Love hearing the honest conversations from this podcast. Dirty Mo is doing good things.
Sometimes mike isn't the sharpest tool in the shead!! Denny Absolutely did it on purpose....you can tell mike has never been in anything competitive..
Still all these months later. I still have no idea what Mike’s main point was.
If I'm understanding him correctly, Mike was saying that while contact took place, it wasn't necessarily retaliation from Denny, but hard racing. He was saying if this was any other scenario without drivers having beef, it'd just be a hard racing deal.
Jr. saw it as retaliation pure and simple, just not overly blatant, but enough to send a message.
Me personally, I think either way, Denny got retaliation whether it was intended or not, simply because you have to wonder or even think about it, and the seed of doubt is there.
To Mike's point, unless Denny flat out admitted it, you can make the claim one way or the other.
To Jr's point, he didn't cut him any slack which was uncharacteristic of how he raced everyone else that day.
Mike has lost his mind
Can tell they are close friends by the respectful way they disagreement
Damn I love to see an Earnhardt debate and take nonsense out of BS!
Lol! We still did not find out who peed farther, on the racetrack or in the podcast booth. It is ok fellas, the only thing that mattered is what the NASCAR boys think. Cheers from Texas!
Hell I’ve seen people do it so Right on Jr. 👍 to be honest welcome back brother. The Jr. from earlier years love it ♥️
The mental gymnastics are strong with this man.
Geez, listening to that makes me wonder if Mike has ever watched a race before. Good grief, he wanted to be right so bad that his common sense went on vacation.
I teach/train people in problem resolution... What I'm seeing here is one of my FAVORITE quotes... "W are in VIOLENT agreement!" Yes Denny wrecked him... What was in Denny's mind... we shall never know. But they are saying the same thing . :-)
Dirty MO editor. When such a heated review on a past race among these pros to the sport, how can we the viewers remember a few seconds in a race. Please post a still pic for 2 seconds that can help us to try and remember. A link in upper right hand corner to jump to clip if anything or a link in description. Otherwise it's just a numbing argument between two respected men without understanding.