Was Hebrew the First Alphabet? - Doug Petrovich (Conf Lecture)
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- This lecture is from our 2017 'Is Genesis History?' conference. We invited a number of scientists and scholars to teach in-depth on the Creation/Flood model. Here, archaeologist Doug Petrovich presents his findings on the origin of the Hebrew alphabet.
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Dr. Doug Petrovich earned a PhD from the University of Toronto, with a major in Syro-Palestinian archaeology, a first minor in ancient Egyptian language, and a second minor in ancient Near Eastern religions. He formerly was the academic dean and a professor at Novosibirsk Biblical-Theological Seminary (Siberia, Russia), as well as at Shepherds Theological Seminary (Cary, North Carolina), having taught over 30 different courses. Dr. Petrovich’s research interests include biblical history and exegesis, Egyptology, and ancient Near Eastern history (including archaeology, epigraphy, chronology, and iconography). He teaches Ancient Egypt at Wilfrid Laurier University (Waterloo, Canada).
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There seems to be some confusion in the comments section here. The claim is NOT that Hebrew was the first written language, but the first alphabet. The alphabet is, basically, a system of writing in which the symbols portrayed represents the sounds of the language. These symbols are combined together to represent words. Compare this to Egyptian hieroglyphs, for example, which uses symbols to represent entire words. This is why ancient Egyptian writings have 100s to 1000s of symbols while English has 26.
I am not trying to argue the validity of what is being discussed here, just providing an understanding for those that want to argue that there were older written languages.
David True The pictographs are symbols representing things or concepts, such as an ox head (aleph) to mean strong or first, a simple box (beyt) to represent a house and the nail (vav) to mean “and” for connecting two words or things. Over time, they would then come to be synonymous with a particular sound, but symbols (phonemes) representing sounds are called phonemic orthography. Eastern European and Black Sea areas have this.
This makes a alphabet/language like paleo-Hebrew very valuable in understanding meaning or the combinations, words such as abba or places like Bethlehem become far more interesting and valuable in our present day understanding.
Tommy Lynn I think you mean cuneiform, such as Sumerian, Akkadian, and Ugarit. These languages used series of wedges in varing number and direction which were based on the use of a simple tool. They were relatively crude by comparison to paleo-Hebrew and other semitic scripts.
leumasdiderot As regards Hebrew, keep studying.
Indeed, the current Hebrew months are not names YHVH gave them, but the rabbis after Babylonian captivity.
Don’t allow your feelings to interfere with your thinking and studies. It will lead you to false conclusions.
@leumasdiderot With all due respect, your usage of biblical text does not prove that God Himself gave the Israelites the specific names of the months they are to use. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you are assuming Christians believe that God himself wrote the Bible. This is a false assumption. If you talk to a Bible scholar, as well as many Christians that have looked into it, they will tell you that men wrote the Bible by inspiration from God, which means that the authors wrote it in their own words. So, if the original author called the first month of the year Nisan, then they would write in Nisan for the first month.
I think it's ironic that you used an English translation to prove what the original authors wrote in an ancient language, which completely ignores the fact that minor translational errors can occur. In short, your argument is little more than a strawman fallacy.
@leumasdiderot So, your argument is that the text can only be true if the person it is describing is the one writing it? Do you realize how absurd that argument is? Imagine using that same methodology to a science textbook, or published paper. Astrophysics textbooks are a hoax because the stars didn't write them. All of our modern history books are hoaxes because they weren't written by the people that are being described. The trustworthiness of a biography is based on whether it is an autobiography or not. This is an ad hominem fallacy, and your argument is fallacious.
The Asnath inscription and the last inscription about Pharaoh's terror is absolutely mind boggling.
Sends your head into a spin, doesn’t it? It’s almost like ontological shock, except in reverse. Physical corroboration for the stories we read as children coming to life before our eyes.
It's amazing, the truth just keeps coming out. Thank you for your work. God bless you for caring for the Hebrew people and thus we're all blessed.
Dougs is an absolute blessing; Thanks for what you do.
It's absolutely wild that most of these guys grew up atheists, went college as atheists, started their careers as atheists and when they started furthering their careers they've realized that scientists don't have any real clear understanding of how everything came to be and all we have is theories. Jesus came down to show us a new way and that we too could worship the God of Israel and could inherit the Kingdom of God. Ty Jesus for giving this lowly ole millennial hope and a promise for a bright future whether on this planet or in my next life in my celestial body. Ty Jesus ❤️
If his discovery is true, then the most amazing isn't that the hebrew alphabet is the first, because it was always a contender, but the fact he found evidence for the existence of JOseph, his wife and sons, which fits biblical narrative
Very interesting. Great job. Thank you for your work.
These discoveries made by Petrovich are nothing short of historic, marking a monumental shift in our understanding of history. These findings not only validate the historical accuracy of scripture but also have profound implications for philosophy and our perception of truth. The depth and significance of these findings have consequences that are truly staggering.
This man ia my new obsession to hesr. Thankyou Lord for such a dude in the kingdom
Amén
Amazing content. Thank you so much!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
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Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
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Monotheism
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Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Shalom,
Like some others also noticed, sadly the book isn't available at normal prices anymore. Is there a second (or third?) edition in the wings?
Great work dr Petrovich, hope you keep going!
Yah bless
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
What a mind-blowing video!
Wow, I commend your work! That is definitely what's been accepted as proto Canaanite and you are connecting the dots beautifully. I have never seen anyone show this in such a manner. I noticed you add hidden Yud's and Vav's to ends of words occasionally, can you explain how you got these? The written language is definitely more obscure than common language today, still pretty amazing work. God bless from Israel
this is some brilliant work, I am sold
Besides the Gods Own Prophet & Priest-like ending of the lecture, the lecture itself is from a scientific point of view really awesome. Very very well done Sir.
@leumasdiderot It looks like you need to learn a lot about this subject. Reading original Hebrew Bible and the book that is the subject of this presentation would be the first logical step.
@@larryt4884 That is a stupidly prideful and elitist comment. A person has to study decades to be able to enjoy a good lecture? I don’t think this is the intention of the lecturer. On the contrary, I think his point is to make this information accessible to those who do not have opportunity, skill or access to learn an entire new field of study, but who may have an interest nevertheless.
Education is not for the educated.
@@Khangel I was answering @leumasdiderot's comment. It is not there anymore. What happened to it?
@David Davison Alphabet. Sumerian cuneiform is not an alphabet. It's something more akin to Chinese, symbols that are entire words. You're confusing a writing system with an alphabet. All alphabets originate from and center in on Phoenician (aka Canaanite) and Paleo-Hebrew, which are virtually indistinguishable, and both of which are associated with the Hebrew people historically and religiously. Many language scripts are older than Hebrew (did you not realize he talked about hieroglyphics predating the Hebrew script?), but it's very much in the running for being the first alphabet, as the lecture demonstrates.
You're kidding, it's almost incoherent!
Praise God for your findings after long research and sincerity to acknowledge your mentorship of 1928.
I've been trying to gain a deeper understanding of Hebrew lately, especially it's origins, so this was thoroughly enjoyable and informative. The Bible and God's works are an inexhaustible source of learning.
Check out John Kostik's channel. He elaborates a lot on all individual hebrew letters and their meanings.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
A German in the 1920s proposing Hebrew as the original phonoconsonantal script in human history in the face of Hitler writing Mein Kampf. Who is going to win the hearts of the average German? Was there ever any doubt that the German proposing that the Israelites/ Jews proposed the world's first phonoconsonantal written language would be ostracized?
In 1920 Hitler and the Nazis were obscure. Hubert Grimmes wasn't widely known nor discredited among German citizens, no more than Americans are aware of scholars who do this type of work today. This discovery does build up the reputation of the Hebrews as "The people of the book".
I wonder why the Chinese and Japanese didn't do this too?
@@NateSpinney The Labor or Socialist Zionists did not even have a country during the War. There was no Israel until 1948. They may have selectively desired non-Orthodox Jews to come on Aliyah, but they were in control of nothing. They barely had a say about what occurred in the Holy Land, much less than what horrors the Germans could inflict on Jews in Poland.
It was the British who passed laws about how many Jews could come to the Holy Land starting in 1939. The Labor Zionists had virtually no say in the matter.
Many of them were too attached to their belongings and could not believe of what’s coming till it was too late , very few took it seriously.
Sorry that i implied that Doug was denying my belief that there was older tradition of writing before Babel. But historical difficulties are implicit in the event of the Language Confusion. We can well imagine that for some time all sorts of ways of reinventing writing were invented in different places. Now Egypt, and trading peoples around the area such as the Phoenicians and Greeks, would perhaps take an interest in finding ways to correspond between trading and negotiating parties. Thus, I guess, some sort of alphabet. This time of Joseph is crucial for developing a better understanding of history. Doug found some cool stuff there!
This is a nice prof of the Genesis history is correct and the timeline there. Thanks for nice lecture!
@leumasdiderot wow, are you an anti-intellectual. No wonder atheists can't win the Nobel Prize in Science.
Patterns of Evidence is also a good investigation into this topic
Thanks very much for your encouraging lecture. I believe God is a 100 percent speaking biblical truth through it.
I had prayer points about the language and letters that God used for example when giving the ten commandments. Don't ever feel discouraged. Take hope and continue.
I would encourage the author to sell this edition through some on-demand publishers. The least expensive used edition on Amazon is listed north of $1700!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Heretic
@@Subzero-hh8ix oh my goodness, are you cussing? What if your church is full of heresies though?
@@mitchellc4 my friend, monotheism does not require unitarianism. Trinitarians are monotheistic; we believe in ONE God. The true God is a multi-personal being - a trinity. Up to c.200 AD Jews also believed God was multi-personal because the OT demands it.
For example, read Gen 18 & 19. Three people show up at Abrahams tent. From the narrative we learn that two are angels (19:1) and one is YHWH (18:1, 18:10, etc.) They all eat and YHWH promises Abraham a son etc. When they're finished, YHWH, the two angels and Abraham all walk toward Sodom. YHWH tells Abraham what he plans to do. The two angels go a head to Sodom while YHWH and Abraham stop and chat. In chapter 19 we have the interaction with the angels in Sodom and then in 19:24 we have an interesting verse: "then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrag sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven." What?! There's two entities called YHWH?! Yes! And there are many examples of this in the OT. That's why first century Jews who recited shema daily could declare that Jesus is God along side God the Father without thinking that they were compromising their monotheism. In fact Paul explicitly applies the Shema to both God the Father and God the Son in 1Co 8:6.
Yes, Jesus claimed to be God - John 5:17, 5:23, 6:62, 8:58, etc.
Yes, the apostles explicitly called Jesus God - John 1:1, 20:28, Titus 2:13, 2Peter 1:1, 1John 5:20.
Sorry, but the NT emphatically demonstrates that God is multi-personal and proclaims Jesus to be one of the entities of that trinity. If you want to be a unitarian you can't turn to the bible for support because it is thoroughly trinitarian.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 holding a view that Jesus is not God is heresy. Go read some church history.
The host sounds like Vince McMahon. But I’m glad I found this channel 👍🏼
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
This will be great! Thank you for doing a video on your findings in Ancient Hebrew!
Do you have an idea on the release date for your 2nd book?
Thank you!
His book seems to be out of stock.
You can get a free PDF of the chart on academia.org:
www.academia.edu/30450681/Proto_Consonantal_Hebrew_Alphabet
You can see the 16 pages of front matter, including introduction, table of contents, map, preface, acknowledgments, and list of tables and figures at:
www.academia.edu/29984799/_2016_The_Worlds_Oldest_Alphabet_Hebrew_as_the_Language_of_the_Proto_Consonantal_Script_frontmatter_
Thanks for posting those links - very helpful
Dr.Petrovich tanks so much for uploading the video i am so happy and your classes make so much sense to all the short explanation of the narrative history of de Israeli people but i call them the Hebrews,they came from Hebron and all your explanation and studies and explanation make more sense all wat is in the 5 book of the Thora.i will record in old old caset in case i can't see this amazing investigation you have done,i have been reading the scripture for 20 years and this is like the cherry on the ice cream 🍦 tank you tanks you,and you keep it a non denominator religious class i watch 5 times consecutive in one day.👍🥰
the book is so bad that it hard to find but I keep hopes up.👍👍👍👌👌👌👏👏👏😁😁😁
I follow Jeff benner / I wonder how much in agreement they are about dougs findings. None the less . Jesus said his words will never pass away. Praying for these guys. That we will be led into all truth . It’s hard to refute solid architectural or archeological evidence that you can see and touch. I believe God is opening doors that we will know the true depth of his infinite wisdom. Beyond that his word is faithful and trustworthy . Keep seeking
Knowing Gods infinite wisdom is stretching lol but I guess I should have said that we might know God a tad better than we did yesterday….. God bless
Thank you! I've been proposing that Hebrew is the original alphabet for ten years now. Glad to see a scholar confirm this.
The first alphabet was created by the Lebanese ancestors the Phoenicians.
И нашего?
WHERE CAN I BUY A COPY?? THANK YOU FOR SUCH WONDERFUL WORTHY WORK!!!
Incredible! It was so exciting to watch and learn! Thank you for your efforts to bring these discoveries to the public.
I have been doing research on this topic lately and was fortunate to come across his work.however,his book is currently unavailable on Amazon and also unavailable at Barnes and Nobles,smh 😤🤦🏾♂️
The programs I never get to see are the ones that tell me to set a reminder.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
I looked for your book and I was only able to find it on Amazon. Two copies, used, each going for $3,000-$4,000. If really like to check this out, it's there a reasonably priced version? Thanks for your hard work and for your time.
@leumasdiderot Answer is in story of Jacob and his son Juda , who married Canaan woman and was expelled from Holy Land by his father !?
@leumasdiderot How does Juda - Canaan marriage prove there was no Israelites !?
Brilliant. Thank you.
Excellent!
@50:14, Answer: Daniel 12:4, “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
It seems to me if you want to understand the changing methods of drawing the letters you would have to include a study of the changes in mediums (writing materials) were available.
Wow - this is fascinating - thank you
I would love to know more info on the dates for the Israelites’ sojourn in Egypt. The length agrees with what God said in His Word.
fantastic lecture, we need to publish this info
Roberto: Mano! It's published and very well received by education departments. In face, a number of papers came out on it, and more to come. Very well researched and historians are applauding him.
@leumasdiderot LOL, at least I do my research not lie and then whine when caught, pots.
@leumasdiderot You are repeating yourself, a sign of a narcist and lower IQ whiner.
@leumasdiderot How fortunate for you pots! I'm here to help you. I have a lot of experience with atheism as I used to be one. the last atheist in the family recently stopped using heroin and left atheism.
Absolutely amazing
Are you planning to publish this book? No copies are online. Where is your order page?
i really appreciet a more highly academic lecture. thank you!
Kathrin Kleinknecht so how are you so positive ?
@Hineni John3:16 no kidding, i encourage anyone to read both and they will realize there is simply no comparison, gilgamesh is so obviously mythology and genesis is not mythology.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@Mellownius Because someone told her. :)
I really enjoyed this!
This is amazing. Amazing!!!
Please check out Tamil language whose lipi is dated back 500 BC, it is still continuously spoken and written till date, which has lot of literature which are 2000 years old.
How lucky you are to be chosen to serve God in these ways!
Hey your a home town guy, so hi from Akron Doug .........👍
I wish this book was available on Kindle. I did find a couple of book sites that listed a PDF file if you register with an account, but I haven't tried it yet. I do pray for a reprinting of the book.
You can still buy the book on Carta website - hoping for delivery soon.
He really did his homework ☝️.
Great added onfo
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel.
John 5:20
I wonder if any consideration was made for the potential re-dating of Egyptian history as outlined in the documentary "patterns of evidence" would strengthen or diminish any of these findings?
Sam Beguely there is a newer one “ the Moses controversy” it talks about the writing of the Torah.
@@audreybailey5139 cool, thanks. I would still wonder how that may effect this research though
Dr Petrovich was part of this documentary series!
@@sigalsmadar4547 thanks, i have ordered the dvds. I have only seen the lectures that dave rohl did. Looking forward to seeing movies.
It sounds like a wonderfully interesting book. It is $966 on Amazon. I will never get to see it.
I'm glad to know that treating the Bible as truth yields such insights and discoveries. As believers, we know the Bible is true but there are those who doubt, there are those who call it allegorical, and of course, non-believers don't believe. Treating the Bible as straightforward truth bears the most fruit.
A fascinating talk, though I could not follow it very well, due to my lack of education on the subject. Like much in science, we can only trust the expert but it's nice to know this expert believes the Bible.
This is the scheme of things, become a "scholar" research a topic thats not overdone, and now you can live in a phd community.
amen
@@fulmenmoon40 - Thanks for the unsolicited advice. It's quite worthless for my life.
Awesome!!!
I need to point this out because there is a discrepancy.. Gen 37 clearly says that Yaakov was still living in the Hevron Valley when he sent Yoseph to check on the welfare of his brothers up north. So while Yaakov had earlier in his travels spent time in Bet El for a few months, he clearly lived next to Hevron from when he came home to take care of his aging father after returning from Lavan's house. He did not dwell next to Bet El. I have nothing against Bet El. I live about 7 kms south of Bet El, but it certainly is not Hevron...
Proto Sinaitic-Phoenician/Hebrew both Northwest Semitic Languages of the Canaanitic Branch. This fits with The Book of Exodus as Moses was raised in the royal court and was educated in all the learning of Egypt and was mighty in words and deeds.
30:30. Why was the letter Gimel's description silent?
Unfortunately your dates are off. It contains a very common misunderstanding that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years. That is incorrect. That passage actually refers to Abraham and descendents would be wanderers in lands (without a permanent home) for 430 years. Jacob entered Egypt in 1672BC and the Exodus was in 1457 BC. Proof? The life spans of all the descendants of Jacob listed do NOT add up to 430 years - only about 250 years.
According to other sources it was 230 years they were in Egypt. One needs to count the years from the birth of Issac.
@@berylackermann8240 exactly my point
The characters in the Bible did not exist in ancient history! Adam and eve did not exist in ancient history!Jacob/Israel did not exist in ancient history! The original name of the land was (kemet) in 332 BC the greeks named it Egypt! Christianity did not come from the motherland it came from Europe!Jesus of Lubeck (Name of first slave ship to grace the Americas in 1562 AD) aka “The Good Ship Jesus” Nat Turner slave master sister taught him how to read and gave him a bible to read so his slave master got paid by having Nat preach the Bible at other slave plantations is when African Americans learned Christianity!research!Israelites did not exist in ancient historyThere is no proof that shows the supposed to be Israelites were slaves in Kemet/Egypt!
Ancient history and biblical history does not match That’s why biblical dates changes all the time!
@@andrelove4183 obviously can ignore your comment completely
God bless this man!! Jesus is real and God is with those who peruse him in faith and truth.
Dr Petrovich, I think if we go mathematically about the sojourn, I don't think it is fit the narrative that Israel under the bondage for 430 years. But if we take into the account of Septuagint where it mention in Exo 12:40 which include Canaan, then from the time of Abraham received the promise until the time of Exodus would make more sense. In fact, Paul quoted the sojourn period which indirectly imply Canaan where the promise related to the sojourn period from the time of Abraham received the promise. Plus, in Septuagint, Exo 12:40 also mentioned Canaan in the sojourn.
THANK YOU
More Archaeological support, as of 4/15/21 by Haaretz archaeology: "Canaanite Inscription found in israel is missing link in alphabet's history"
I first heard about Dr. Petrovich's research when I was studying Linguistics more than 5 years ago. So, the question remains . .. what is the relationship then between the Phoenician alphabet and Hebrew. Did they borrow theirs from the Hebrews?
By the time of the famine, lots of Canaanites used to travel until Egypt to by grains and food, so they might have come in contact with the proto-semitic alphabet centuries before the hebrews left Egypt.
Has this work been submitted for review by the scholarly community? Please give references.
Ignore that leumasdiderot, it is a cyberbully and troll. The established scholarly community has different basic beliefs.They are antisemitic atheist-evolutionists and in many cases also neomarxists. There absolutely no reason to submit anything to them since they work on different basis. They dismiss the work like that of Dr. Petrovic without even looking at it when they know it is coming from the Creationist community.
Timo Saksala And the irony is, this is not an argument for creationism at all. It’s an argument for how a language script could be created.
@@haraldthi Exactly!
leumasdiderot You sound very religious I must say. It’s just that you don’t make a whole lot of sense.
leumasdiderot Well, I wish you well. As I think you need it.
Please talk to Cornerstone TV about book on Hebrew Alphabet. I think they will love your book.
Thank you ,Bless you
Question. Do we have any examples of Pentateuch books written in these early scripts?
jrgunn5 no the oldest know are the Dead Sea scrolls, at least as far as I have seen.
jrgunn5 Close; the Samaritan Torah is still written in an offshoot of Paleo-Hebrew. Also, the name of God is written in Paleo-Hebrew in the Dead Sea Scrolls even though the rest is written in Assyrian/Aramaic script.
The two comments who replied to you are both kind of wrong. There are Dead Sea scrolls of Leviticus that are still written in Paleo Hebrew. They are much later than the inscriptions he is showing (probably 1st century BC). You can see the scrolls yourself online for free, just google “paleo Hebrew Leviticus” and you can access the free Dead Sea scrolls online database.
The script found on the walls of caves and copper mines in the Sinai is actually cursive Hebrew which has frequentally changed throughout Israelite/Judean history. Even in the last 1000 years, modern Hebrew cursive script changed from "Rashi" script. The classic "printed" Hebrew script in reality has not changed at all. Look at the Book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea scrolls. It is virtually identical to the Book of Isaiah in a modern Hebrew Bible. 2200 years passed--- no change.
These are excellent findings and interpretations! Even more ancient writings are known closer to Noah's flood- about the flood. They are at Noah's shipbuilding site, at the final resting place of the ship, and at the burial sites of Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
If you think we can even know where he built the ark or that the earth didn’t change dramatically during the flood, you don’t have a proper understanding of how cataclysmic it truly was. Think continent ripping earthquakes, hundreds or thousands of times the magnitude of the biggest we see today, super volcanoes that were thousands of times stronger eruption than st Helen’s…the geological evidence left behind is almost unimaginable! Nothing preflood was left standing except the strongest of structures like those in Peru and possibly the great pyramids…but I’m not convinced of that
Not easy to follow his interpretations. 42:19 I read possibly Bait (house) KRM (noble), but it could be BTK (your house) RMAS (Ramesses?), so it could mean "your house belong to Ramesses", depend what we decide to identify as word, its beginning and ending.
Where can I get the book? Would like all the information, but can’t find the book available anywhere? Thanks
Hello Katie,
Unfortunately, the book Dr. Petrovich is speaking of in this video is currently out of print due to some issues that took place during the initial covid outbreak of 2020. As far as we are aware, plans are in the works to have the book republished. In the meantime, you may have interest in Dr. Petrovich's new book, 𝘖𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘦𝘣𝘳𝘦𝘸𝘴, which can be acquired at our website: isgenesishistory.com/product/origins-of-the-hebrews/.
Thank you. I just received the book yesterday sept 14 2022. I ordered it through Carta Jerusalem on sept 5 it think. I’m excited to be able to get more detail from the books. I already had gotten this book Origin of the Hebrews which I am currently reading. And now I can look at this references to the world’s oldest alphabet.
There is an audio glitch right before minute 30:45 for about 5 sec.
how come your book is not available any more? ($1755 for a used copy?!!!)
@Tommy Lynn How about $7267.64 as of today? This is how much it costs now. www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9652208841?cm_mmc=AMZ-_-DetailPage-_-OOS-_-ISBN
Google the title and “pdf”
Boom. Free books.
@@lococomrade3488 There are some PDF pages and reviews I found on Google, but not the book in its entirety.
Because it is pseudoscholarship. Don't buy it, Petrovich does not represent the evangelical community.
So, according to some Jimmy Issa, everything that does not represent evangelical community is pseudoscollarship?
great thinking on ephriam and Manasseh its actually what you said very astute thinking on jacobs part profound really
All those stories are true and serve as types and shadows what happens now in the church system. History is repeating itself but in a greater and more spiritual way.
Hello from Akron Ohio
This discovery is astonishing. I want his book but goes for$1200 on Amazon’s!
Agreed that the evidence is mixed, but his arguements aren’t impossible either. The early text he showed (Asenath house) corresponded well with Hebrew. If we had more data or texts we might get something more convincing. He said from the start he was going in with the assumption that the Proto-consonantal script was Hebrew. We do have a fair amount of evidence that Israelites were in Egypt before the 1400’s. He wants to make the more distant assumption that, because he holds the Bible to be historically accurate (I do too), he thinks it’s reasonable to believe that the protoconsantal script was developed by Israelites since they were there. The additional evidence of the mentioning of the home town of Bethel is pretty neat, but again not confirmed. I believe the paper you are referring to puts the development of proto Canaanite much later than the video does. The video is arguing for a much easier conception to the proto-Constantal alphabet system. If the early scripts he showed were truly proto-consanantal, the development of such a system could have really been done by anyone. If that is the case, the early evidence of proto-Canaanite (found in mines mostly) would be an alphabet that borrowed from an earlier (possibly Hebrew(at least in the opinion of this video)) source.
Writing from my phone so sorry if My sentence syntax is a little Weird!
I meant *earlier conception
@anne Chung I agree, it seems farfetched. Thanks for clarifying. Personally, I assumed Israelites picked up the proto-canaanite (sometimes called proto-sinaitic) alphabet from Canaanite workers while both in Egypt. If we had more data or clearer inscriptions we might be able to figure out if any Hebrew was really being used in the inscriptions. Even then how could anyone tell? Semitic languages all have such similar origins, and the verbal roots overlap. It would be impossible to tell whether or not it had really come from one group or another unless it specified specific names or places, because Hebrew undoubtedly changed during the four centuries after the inscriptions to the time when we have better records of Hebrew. This is probably why he focused on names like "Asenath" and "Bethel". If he really did find those or if they were reliable I think that'd be a neat find, but yeah from what I can tell he doesn't have good enough data.
So you know what to get when you get a "stimulus" check.
@@sirsaint88 ha good one
I had just finished reading the book of Genesis the other day and noted that during the famine, Joseph had authority over Caanan. What I have learned, and I’m not 100% on this, but the Phoenicians lived in caanan, right? And so, didn’t the Hebrews and Greeks get their alphabet from the Phoenicians?
Id like to get a copy of the book, esp the pictures.
Jehovah is the most awesome God there is. Why are you fussing about this? Learn about Him instead :-)
I think you have the wrong bible. Mine says something different.
This book is over £3,800.00 on Amazon in the UK.
$966 on Amazon in the US. What the heck? Maybe we need to contact the author about purchasing a pdf.
Thats madness
@@Michael-xn6tv It's sold, none available now.
According to the DSS, the Septuigint, the Samaritan Penteteuch and the writings of Josephus, the Exodus occurred in the 1620's B.C. Only the corrupted Masoretic Text puts it later. This is perhaps missing your main points, but just for the record it should be noted.
This is some interesting history and teaching, and using the sources I just mentioned would probably move your date for the first proto-Hebrew writing back to an even earlier date.
Thank you.
It Would Have To Be Something Easy To Mark, Inscribe, Or Paint Onto Animal Hide, Wood, Bone, Clay Or Stone.
Wish you could get book
30:37 what did the right angle mean? Based on what?
Am i wrong here? 2020+1876+2199(Adam to Joseph)=6095+17 years of Joseph=6,112
Is there a reason why the more modern Hebrew characters look so similar? It’s difficult to learn because so many of the characters look nearly identical.
Carta should be ashamed of themselves for not reproducing your "very precious" book. I can't get it anywhere..and I really want it!!! Thankyou for your good work.
I did a search and found a pdf file available on a couple of book sites if you create an account. I have not tried it yet, though.
Why does the sound go out at 30:40?
Someone help with the los lunas lost stone. . .please.
Simcha Jacobovici was correct?
Could the title of this video more accurately be edited as: "Did Hebrew Evolve From a Perceived First Alphabet, as Have the Collateral and Later-Era Proto-Alphabets of Other Semitic Language Dialects?
I have seen a video from RevelationMedia which makes a good case that Joseph was the inventor of the first alphabet. Thank you for this.
How do you know that tablet is talking about THE Asenath? Couldn't another Egyptian woman have the same name?
You need to explain why Biblical Hebrew directly draws from Egyptian Hieratic
Perhaps Joseph's sons or whoever it was that wrote this thing were having to adapt or reinvent some form of writing. It is confusing to me, but I can't help but imagine that it was more than oral tradition before all that. Book of Enoch? Accounts in 'Jasher' or Rabbinic traditions of pre-flood fathers teaching their sons writing? Was long living blessed Shem, (Melchizedek was his code name?) just twiddling his thumbs or working very hard to teach people after the language dispersion how to adapt and how to preserve the Truth that eventually Moses compiled in the Book of Genesis? Maybe I missed something, but I will listen some more. I understand that you worked very hard and have discovered something significant. I appreciate and respect people like you. Perhaps as a non-scientist and a non-scholar I only have the artistic fuzzy type imaginative mentality that just wonders about what really went on in so called 'pre-history' which is to say, 'pre-language-confusion-and-after'. If there really was a book 'Jasher', it would seem to be as the name implies a continuous multi-generational account, and Abraham would have contributed to it. But Moses, the master historian of his day, with much extensive material preserved by the Levitical tribe that he rediscovered his roots from, was like God drawing a line in the sand about what was sacred in history, the pivotal event of the Exodus being in which Moses' God proved authority actually began the Canon, with the other writings which preceded coming to take a more supplemental status, many of which were lost anyway. Job was preserved. Maybe the non canonical history book of Jasher somewhat survived the Spanish inquisition and the difficulties of recopying damaged copies hidden for years in those and other difficult times. I think the ancient Hebrews were familial reverent historians, and the later Jews were humbled inquisitive researchers into comparing notes with those God forced them to learn from. Thus, maybe, some of the stories in 'Jubilees', a most exasperating book, though, I must say. Now that might be a 'historical novel'.
Hebrew "Aleph" is the same letter as modern "A". "Hey" is "E". "Yod" is "I" (and "J" and "Y"). "Ayin" is "O". "Vav" is "U" (and "V" and "W" and "F")... so the same letters we call vowels are in Hebrew... its just that the Greeks decided to call those vowels... but saying Hebrew doesn't have vowels isn't entirely true - since those very same letters come from Hebrew...
He did it all to make His name known through all the world!!! And what is His name?!? YHWH!!!
Too bad he didn't make vowels
@@samishaniyy And too bad his followers were so afraid to take his name in vain that they stopped saying it and so forgot it and ended up reconstructing it incorrectly as “Jehovah”.
Those who think they're smart come out with their one-liners. I wonder how many hours of research they've done to come up with them.
It's YA'OH
@@Tysto are you sure his people were afraid to use his name.
TY for doing the work needed to bring this information to the forefront and explaining it to were it could be understood. For many many yrs. I have thought that there had to be some sort of engraving somewhere in Egypt that would show evidence that The Hebrews did live in that country since they were there for many centuries, followed by The Lord bringing them out of Egypt to the land that HE promised their forefathers Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Give honor and praise to HIM who lives forever, AMEN. I think you made a good point at the end of this video. as you ask "Why now" ? "For GOD to make HIS name great throughout the whole world etc".
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
The proto-Sinaitic script had about 27-29 different letters, much like Arabic, Ugaritic, Sabaic have 27-29 different sounds, and very much unlike any known stage of Hebrew. The ancient North Arabian script has symbols much closer to proto-Sinaitic than any other script, including the oldest known Hebrew script. E.g. 𐪑𐪁
How do you explain that ancient North Arabian has symbols for sounds that Hebrew doesn't even have, and which are part of proto-Sinaitic such as gh 𐪖? This sound isn't even found in Hebrew anymore.
nice