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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I unbox and test the brand new Steam-licensed wireless controller, the "ワイヤレスホリパッド for Steam" in the vibrant Luminous Violet and Neon Yellow colors. Priced at 7,980円, this versatile gamepad offers compatibility with the Steam Deck. Watch as I explore its features and see how it performs in real gameplay!
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I saw someone else saying that this thing most likely exists to help Valve grow the presence of Steam in Japan. A lot of games work with an Xbox controller, and since Xbox’s presence is basically nonexistent in Japan they decided to work with a local company to make a controller that functions like an Xbox one. The guy was also saying a lot of the same things you did where that company’s controllers aren’t outright bad, but they aren’t good either. They’re in the awkward middle ground where they’re functional, but feel cheap. He was also saying that this isn’t an indication of Valve making a Steam Machine 2 or a new incarnation of their weird controller (I remember having that contorller. Not sure if we still have it. I think the thing might not have worked, so we got rid of it. I’ve heard the people who like that controller really like it). If they were to dip their toes back into the console market they’d most likely make a controller that’s basically a more compact version of the Steam Deck’s controls.
I agree. Seems like Valves entry to the Japanese market. And the Japanese economy isn't the greatest, so that is why the controller is "cheap" relatively speaking.
It is also worth noting that this controller seems like a slight redesign of Hori's existing Xbox controllers. They seems to have licensed controllers for a few companies.
As someone who is currently living in japan Xbox is definitely relevant in japan..
Exactly the reason. This is actually A Nintendo switch controller that has just been made into a steam deck with back buttons and capacitive touch sticks. That's why there is a lack of travel for the triggers. I was really hoping that valve would make one by now with four rear paddles full gyroscopics and haptic feedback. Maybe soon
Hori is just a Japanese brand like Trust is to The Netherlands
Thanks for being the first to feature this controller! One thing that's a big selling point for me is actually the touch capacitive sticks for gyro activation. That's how I typically play on the Steam Deck and I miss that feature when using a DualSense. It would be cool to see how well that functions here.
I totally forgot about the touch sensitivity 🫢. I just made a TH-cam short for it: th-cam.com/users/shortsQK1zo2l6LV4?si=p4e9h7Ar-aXV8k8n
TLDR: touch sensitivity works fine. Gyro feels ok but slightly laggy?
If you use gyro you dont want very heavy controllers usually.
As for the gyro showoff, the setting you used is not ideal, you really wanna use as mouse or to mouse in order to get a good idea.
I hope the gyro issues are due to set up and not hardware because if it's just a meh controller with meh button feedback and meh gyro sensors, it's somewhat of a slap to the legacy of the og steam controller.
Wanting a light controller for gyro is a good point. I didn't think of that.
It's hard to tell in the video, but the gyro feels like it is moving in small increments instead of a smooth movement. In programming terms, it feels like the gyro is using integers instead of floats. Idk if this is a bug or is unfixable.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@LandenL yeah, you definitely want mouse gyro. Joystick input for gyro is often pretty bad. Setting vertical sensitivity lower, and resting it on your lap or a desk is pretty important for steady gyro. There are many ways to skin a cat though. Some people also have success with acceleration. Gyro is promising, but there is no gold standard quite yet. I have been playing with gyro quite a bit lately. Flickstick videos has some guides.
Hori controllers always seem to be missing so many features, like switch controllers with no gyro or wireless. It feels like they're stuck in the past and getting left behind by other controller makers. Everyone else has moved on to making more premium stuff and they're still stuck in that third party ps2 controller mindset
Switch controllers without gyro sound horrible lmao. It's sad because I almost like the controller, it just fails in some key areas. Probably the trigger buttons are the most disappointing.
If you want to try out the gyro with baseline settings that should feel pretty good, use Gyro to mouse [beta] with these settings:
Set your gyro activate button to what you like
Gyro speed deadzone turn off
Gyro precision speed, turn off
Vertical/horizontal output mixer set to -25%
Acceleration linear
3DOF to 2D conversion set to Local
Everything else can be set as default and you can adjust your sensitivity to what feels best. It is unlikely to fix the stuttering as I think that is likely a Bluetooth issue, so try wired and see if it fixes it. But these settings will be a good starting point and much better than what you're currently using.
An updated video using wired with these settings would be appreciated by the gyro community if you feel like it/have the time. Also if you could weigh the controller, I actually take out the battery and rumble from my controllers to make them lighter :)
I will put this on my to-do list
Echoing this. Gyro to mouse is way smoother compared to gyro as mouse. Gyro as mouth has the stuttering and lag that you described in the video.
A ds4/dualsense with back button attachment would be superior in every situation you could want this for.
I think I agree. It's disappointing because this is the first officially licensed controller from what I can tell.
Not really since this thing supports Steam input natively. Including the gyro functionality which doesn't have to be setup under PlayStation controller support settings on Steam. It works right out of the box natively with Steam input including the guide button on it which doesn't work for Xbox/PlayStation controllers unless you set it up to work that way.
HOW did you get two of these???? They're not out for another month!
I think they were released like a month early in Japan? I got these from here: horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/
oh nice video! Cool controller. ❤
ayy heart
Can you map the back grip buttons to anything?
The purple one.. I have to stop looking at controllers man.. I have 4 already-
😂 I know what you mean. But I am bummed that the purple isn't like a GameCube. Why couldn't they make it all one color?!
Wow, that's pretty disappointing-looking. I was interested.
The capacitive sticks are nice.
But the non-form-fitted face buttons are crazy. Hori literally has four of the same height buttons on a curved controller.
Mushy triggers. No rumble. Bad color matching on the same controller. That horrible battery icon. Bad gyro.
I feel like in a year with some great 8BitDo, Gulikit, and other controllers, this is not going to cut it.
Agree with everything you said 100%. Plus with guli you usually get hall effect sensors. I agree with another commenter saying that the lighter controller makes gyro more comfortable. So maybe that was why they left out rumble.
We must stop call this "steam controller" it is just an controller licenced by steam or controller for steam
I would agree, but the fact that Valve doesn't sell a first party controller makes this the current standard for a "Steam Controller". Unless they bring back the original.
So it's a steam controller 😂
it's a steam controller then
@@LandenL don't sell it anymore Dosent mean there is no real steam controller...
They were selling Steam controllers for $5 a piece in 2019? Bro I should have bought 3
Button placing seems better with a button right below and above the right joy stick and extra button at the back,
Seems very useful for deadlock when that gets controller support,
also the gyroscope for gyro aim.
DeadLock controller gaming sounds fun. I just posted a video where I tried playing DeadLock with this controller. Unfortunately, the Steam Deck is unable to play matchmaking :( They literally block it lol. But to be fair, controller support is literally broken in DeadLock atm.
@@LandenL 😔They block steam deck . amazing 😂.
I currently use a controller plus mmo style mouse to play rather than keyboard plus mouse.
Have a autoimmune arthritis thing , fingers get stiff playing game on the keyboard but are fine with a controller.
I do think one of the reasons they created deadlock was for it to be friendly to controllers, compared to dota which they tried to make a controller for but failed.
Since the controller comes with a dongle you should probably use it. Im sure the gyro oerforms better if you use the dongle. I have a steam controller and the gyro is better when using the provided dongle..
The gyro does perform better if you plug it in with a USB cable. I just posted another video on my channel about it if you are interested.
@@LandenL I'm good, you showed me all I need to know with this control. Hopefully valve make a true steam controller successor
This control sure makes me hori
You can wake it up from sleep if the dongle was connected, don't think it would turn on though. Other gamepads can do the same on LCD Deck with dongle.
As for the gyro being weird, maybe it's a few days off from being fully patched software wise with Steam? Idk, it's clearly got issues. The gyro not functioning whatsoever is a current bug that is yet to be fixed, so hopefully they'll address the Hori gamepad as well.
I cut it from the video, but I did try using the dongle and didn't have any luck. Like I said in another comment, it feels like the gyro is using integer movement instead of floats or whatever. I also hope it can be fixed in software.
@@LandenL Strange, give it some days when everyone gets their hands on it.
For the LCD at least, the dongle should have an active power source apart from the Deck (like a plugged dock) and the Deck must have been suspended and left connected before suspension (if you unplug it while suspended, it won't work as the USB would have desynced).
It's a hardware problem on the LCD (it was designed to cut all output power on suspension, unlike the OLED).
hori is good at controllers i dont get how they made such an anmature hour peripheral like wtf happened hori is supposed to be good at this stuff
I posted another video about them. TLDR: Gyro works better on USB. Trigger travel distance is really bad. I saw another user say that bluetooth gyro works fine on PC. If that is the case, the controller will still have some use to people imo.
@@LandenL it would be of use if big big won didnt have this controller outclassed with their outdated models, their new stuff has hall effect everything with programable macros to match
It doesnt happen often, but same games do get weird about gyro input. its usually best to just map they gryo directly to mouse input. I'd also recommend testing it with a non-valve game. valve has this weird thing they like to do where they build these API's and features like steam controller input for their games, then half ass the support for them so shit only kinda works. best to just map everything to either xinput or mouse/keyboard.
I tried it for a little bit in The Outer Worlds but it was definitely worse in that title. Little better in Half Life. I assume I can use settings to fix things, but isn't great for newbies.
The purple not matching... Is really bad wtf
I know bro. They ran out of printer ink 😢
that's Hori controller this with steam skin?
Yeah, basically a rebranded Hori controller with a steam skin. But it does have some extra functionality like gyro, 4 extra buttons, and touch sensitive thumbsticks.
@@LandenL that Hori cont is Nintendo. It doesn't have ruble and hall sticks.
Even 30 USD AliExpress clones of Xbox cont have them.
im saorry im the jerk in the room.... the frame work laptop throws all your choices and thought processes to the wind. im sorry i just cant trust the mind that purchased a framework laptop... i mean unless your into netbooks n tables and other under powered land fill electronics. cheers n junk or whatever.... byee
... What? Lol. It's an OK laptop. A little overpriced, but still OK. Don't waste your money on the 16 inch model tho.
10:25 From my understanding that's the case. The OLED Deck can wake on Bluetooth while the LCD models cannot due to the Bluetooth hardware on the LCD models just not supporting it as a feature.
As for the weight, it's definitely the lack of rumble since the Sixaxis was just unusually light while the Dual Shock 3 was actually the expected weight-the Sixaxis did seem to have reasonable battery life regardless of lack of weight, so it may not be a good indicator of battery size. That said Hori does make good fight sticks, but they've made some odd design decisions with their gamepads. For example their Switch left JoyCon that has an actual D-pad instead of the 4 buttons seems like it'd be an obvious upgrade, but it lacks an onboard battery, rumble, and gyro. It's not necessarily a deal-breaker, but really it makes the audience who would likely purchase it much smaller.
I'm really bummed out about wake-on-bluetooth being OLED only. But can't justify the upgrade atm. I just posted another video talking more about the controllers. Another commenter mentioned that lightweight is a good quality for gyro gamers, so I think the reduced weight is more reasonable. My two biggest problems now is the fact that the gyro works best when plugged in, and the trigger button travel distance is really short.
Also, a joycon without a battery, gyro, and rumble does sound really bad lol. What were they thinking?
@@LandenL Hori is better known for their fight sticks and it kind of shows. When you take a look at the design decisions put into them versus their gamepads the fight sticks are often more sensibly designed. Some of their fight sticks have included a track pad and extra buttons on the side of the stick's case for compatibility with the PS4, but they completely omitted a track pad of any kind from the controller aimed people using Steam when it's been a feature of Steam hardware as another way play games that normally use a mouse (gyro is good for aiming in FPS/TPS titles, but a track pad is a better fit for mouse input in games that use a cursor).
team purple 😍
Purple goes hard
how did you get the controller i like to order one???
I bought it from here. I don't know if they ship internationally: horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/
I knew the second I heard Hori and saw that shitty design with the black panel for the dpad and right stick that these controllers were junk. Yikes. 😬 Then it just kept going, poorly designed triggers, misleading color choices, color difference in front and back shell. Wow.
0:50 Yeah, it's called the Steam Controller, and it's literally what the Steam Deck's controls were based on. It came out over a decade ago.
Steam deck ain't similar to steam deck at all. that's like saying a BMW 114I is a BMW M2 Competition
Please ...how do you get it I really want one but no Shop will send it to germany ...
I was able to order these because I currently live in Japan. Not sure about other countries. I hope they start shipping to you soon.
@@LandenL as far as I know it will be only for Japan... sadly lucky you :)
Hello was this online only? The day before I flew back to the US from Japan I visited Yamada Denki LABI right across the Tokyo Station and visited all the floors for this controller and they didn’t have it. You think I should have gone to Akihabara again to see if they had it in stock?
HOW IS HORI OFFICAL for me growing up madcatz hori have all been 3rd party this is snot offical this is more like 3rd party for me bro . if it not offical like the original steam controller not real also pdp are not offical with there nintendo controllers there 3rd party again razor is 3rd party logitech 3rd party stee lseries 3rd party i still own my steam controller form my steam machine i owned for 6 months it died. i still keep my orignial steam controller that came with it .
I'm most definitely not buying it
The best feeling controller in my opinion was the Google Stadia Controller I wised they emulated that design. I really wanna mod mine with Halleffects and install an upgraded battery
Thanks for the review man, I was thinking maybe getting one to pair with my steam deck, but looks like they are not very good quality, I think a ps5 controller or an Xbox controller will do a better job
sorta an underwhelming controller but it's a decent pair up for the Steamdeck I honestly wish it had a Touch pad
If they make a steam controller, matching the steam deck layout, it will hands down be the best controller on the market. I just don't understand why they haven't made it yet. My best guess would be that making it would somehow impact steam deck sales, since it won't be the only platform with such a novel way of playing games.
12:37 that is a problem specific to Half life 2 I'm pretty sure. I have a gen 1 steam controller and a switch pro controller, Gyro is jittery and drifts only for that game.
I have been messing with gyro aiming and found some games need the controller connected via USB to work smoothly. I don't know why though.
Damn no rumble. Ngl I’ve never been a big fan of hori like the switch split pad was disappointing since another company made the same thing but was wire less and had rumble
Kinda wished 8bitdo made the new steam controller there controllers are way better bare minimum there new sun wu kong themed controller is like 30$ and has rumble and mappable buttons
Looks like another cheap generic 3rd party controller with a valve logo slapped on
Hori are well known in the Fighting Game Community for making solid fight sticks. Pads aren't really where they shine.
great video
No trackpads? Hmm I think it is an unnecessary device
Man this is not a steam controller. This is like a madcats version of a steam controller. Come on man... I got duped.lol
yuck - hori is absolutely garbage and should be always avoided if you have an alternative
You got one subscriber because of this video, but please do more videos about it before it flush in market
It was supposed to be a budget controller...typical Hori Brand controller..the Xbox one are really cheap
I agree. But to give them credit, they did add all the button functionality that the steam deck has. Including touch sensitivity thumbsticks. (I forgot to include that in the video)
neat
You need to press a button for gyro to work correctly
Where did you get it???? I NEED ITTTTTT!!!
is not a steam controller, is a license controller
the ultimate disappointment xD
XOne controller Gold Standart? 😂😂😂
Can you also use it on your rog ally x
maybe it needs firmware update?
I miss og steam controller
Where did you order these from?
honestly 8bitdo 4 lyfe
No rumble wtfffff
Not a steam controller
to bad its trash
0:27 So you actually have no clue what the Steam Controller really was. Did you even look at a picture of it for more than two seconds?
The Steam controller was Valves attempt and making a controller that was compatible with PC games. The original goal was likely to make a controller for their now discontinued steam machines, a sort of predecessor to the Steam Deck. The real original Steam controller was entirely different from the Hori gamepad featured in this video. However, as valve no longer manufactures a first party controller, this is the only controller that is officially licensed by Valve to work with the Steam Deck. As this is the case, this is the new 'Steam Controller' in my opinion. I would much rather we have a first party Steam controller, but unfortunately that is not what we have gotten. I do actually own an Original Steam controller with the goofy touchpads, but that is currently in the United States still in it's box. I am keeping it as a collectable.
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Clickbait. This is just a Hori PC controller, not the new Steam controller.
It's like 25% clickbait. My opinion is that because Valve does not currently sell a first party controller, the Hori controller is the current standard they have set. I would much rather have a Valve first party controller.