Great episode! That first round had me on the edge of my seat yet again!! What a great match up for all of these bowlers! Way to go! Great work again as usual on the video, Randy. And the Prodigy viewers especially thank the person that lent the portable charger to you!!! Keep up the great work!
Jake Holbein. He saved the day! I was getting the dreaded "Low Battery" message on my iPhone just as the championship match was getting started. I checked and was down to about 18% power remaining. Logan's dad has an iPhone and we've sort of had a secret agreement that if the cellphone ever runs dangerously low, he'd make his available. But then Jake handed me his charger and said I could use it. What a stud!!! One of these days, we'll get him to come up from Augusta and bowl on PBT. I know he wants to. Pretty good little bowler, although he didn't have the weekend he'd hoped for at GYBT TOC. Maybe next year.
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I found this to be an especially fascinating PRODIGY episode. Setting aside the fact that it was an actual tournament, not merely "unofficial, informal and impromptu after-league challenge matches," the mix of players made for a fascinating contrast in styles. A two-hander, two left-handers, rev dominant and speed dominant players. Plus, we had the usual cast of characters in Logan and Charlie that PRODIGY viewers are accustomed to seeing, but this time with a few others that PRODIGY viewers haven't seen before. Josh had not previously made the stepladder finals on prior PRODIGY episodes, but he and his dad did come up from Fort Benning to compete in our after-league challenge matches a few months ago. And while he didn't qualify for the show, he did manage to find a way to get some air time when, after we were finished with the stepladder, I spotted Josh bowling a 290 on the adjacent pair, and captured his last three balls of that stellar game. Dawson Stewart and his dad have been wanting to come bowl on PRODIGY for some time, but schedules just didn't permit. And CJ, being from Chattanooga, is a first-timer on PRODIGY. Interestingly, however, when I spoke to his mom and grandma to get permission to put him on the show, they'd heard of our little show.
Kudos to the kids from Prodigy Bowling for their performances and Kudos to PBT for allowing these kids to experience a competitive format and have fun at the same time. How does that saying go ?? The sharpest blades are forged from the hottest fires.
Hi coach I love this show thanks so much for your show I enjoy it. coach question is there any reason why you call it a baby split? sometimes it cracks me up. I wanted to know what do you mean about that. thanks have a great day p.S love Logan he's a amazing
I didn't invent the term. It's been called the "Baby Split" since before I started bowling in the 1950s. Any split that can be converted by having the ball knock both pins over is considered a "baby split." That includes the 3-10 (the right-hander's Baby Split) as well as the 2-7 (the left-hander's Baby Split). But technically, it also includes all the splits like the 4-5, 5-6, 7-8, 9-10 and the rarely seen 2-3 and 8-9 splits. They're all "baby splits." The term "baby split" dates back to the earliest days of bowling in America. Who dreamt it up and where it came from is something you'd have to ask someone at the Bowling Museum in Arlington, TX for an answer (and frankly, I doubt if anyone there knows the origins of the term). But I can assure you that I didn't make it up.
Great show, as always! I just want to point out that there is a miscalculation in match 3. From frame 6 and forward on Dawson Stewart. A bit sad because of the tight game and last frames. Anyway, keep up the great work and everything that you are doing :) Love from Sweden.
I hate making these mistakes more than I can express. Try as I may to get the scoring right when I put these videos together, invariably there's almost always a mistake. Usually a type-o. And rest assured that the scoring was correct at the bowling center. It's just a mistake as I'm creating the graphics for the show. Unfortunately, I also use those graphics to talk about the score and who's leading when I do the play-by-play, so if there's a mistake in the scoring, then there's likely a mistake in the play-by-play. But in the end, it didn't change the outcome. It only meant Dawson needed just one strike, not two, in the 10th to win. Didn't matter after he left that 7-10.
Grad Johnson I'm working right now on improving my game. Not TH-cam at the moment. And as u see its paying off in my recent tournaments I've been doing much better. But I have a video made that's coming soon
League bowling is a great way to get fully immersed in the bowling experience. It's great fun, and you meet new people. I heartily recommend joinging a league to anyone who loves bowling and hasn't bowled in a league before.
Logans physical game is amazing. One tip for him when practicing is to practice hitting his target. I'm gonna be honest hitting your target is not the easiest thing. When my coach mentioned hitting my target that is the thing I practiced every bowling session from there on. Maybe he just had a bad game and he just wasn't on his best form. Other than that you bowled great Logan. Keep your head up high even though it's hard especially when you didn't bowl what you felt was good.
Oh yeah, as soon as you mentioned the name Bobby Knipple, I immediately saw the resemblance in their games. I just didn't think of him before you mentioned him.
Yes. Or the Coveted Frisbee. Or something. Honestly, the Summer schedule is likely to be so irregular, it's silly to put the kind of emphasis on a "prize" like we do in the Fall-to-Spring season. I would love to think that we could fill the Summer months with content from bona fide "tournaments" like the one we covered this week. But these tournaments (where there's a stepladder at the end) aren't so common. We're starting a four-week spare clinic this Saturday at BZ Roswell where I coach, so it may provide grist for the mill. But what I'm really counting on is once the spare clinic is over, having my Saturdays free to go visit some other bowling centers and recruiting some of their kids to join in an impromptu after-league PRODIGY show on their home turf. I think over time, introducing our show to new bowlers this way may be the best way to grow our audience in the short term. And they'll tell two people, and so on and so on and so on (as the old commercial goes).
Hey Randy I'll be in Atlanta in July and was wondering if a meet up was possible. Been watching the PBT since basically the beginning and have enjoyed every show. Would be an honor to bowl with PBT.
Rumoured Lies - Our filming schedule is not mapped out, so it's impossible for me to know now when we'll be filming in July. So I wouldn't want you to make a special trip. But if you're going to be in town anyway, maybe we can meet up and bowl. Contact me thru my website at Brownswick.com and we can discuss it.
BrownswickBowling Randy I really enjoy your stuff:-) Bowling is truly a sport for all ages. I bowled a lot 25 years ago but quit for whatever reason. Just recently started bowling again. My equipment at the time was an original Brunswick LT48, AMF Gold Angle, and a Fab Black 🔨 original urethane ball. Now that I'm a senior bowler I didn't realize that you need muscles to bowl:-) They've been pretty sore for a month. I've gone to lighter equipment after watching a 75+ year old young lady roll a 220 with an #8 plastic. I figured a #15 reactive should be plenty. Looking forward to your fall stuff for the upcoming season. Good luck and have fun:-)
I haven't thrown 16 since getting back into bowling in 2012. In fact, when I first started back up, I was throwing 14. Didn't really feel like I was giving much up. I eventually went up to 15 pounds, which is what I'm throwing now. Most of the pros throw 15 nowadays. The modern ball is almost too strong in 16. (A few throw 16 still.) There's one senior guy here in Atlanta who throws 14 and wins about half the senior tournaments in the area. I'm thinking about dropping back down to 14 again now that I've been relatively inactive for the past year or so due to injury.
BrownswickBowling I know the tendons in my bowling arm are very tender right now. And my hips are killing me when I finish a 3 game set. I figure it's just do to not bowling for many years. I started back 3 weeks ago because my doctor told me to get out and exercise. The gym is boring and bowling is fun. Bowled in my first senior league last week. Since I didn't have a handicap I shot a 655 scratch but I'm really rusty. I had a decent average when I quit back in the early 80s and other than soreness and rust the ball reacts the same way it did back then. The main thing I worry about now injury. The ligaments and tendons are 25+ years older meaning I'll need to stretch out before bowling something I've never really done in the past. I'm sorry to hear that you're deal with nagging injuries as well. I feel like you do. Your mind is 18 however your body is 55+:-( It should be a fun season just need to slow the roll a bit if you know what mean:-)
I have one camera. I can only be in one place at a time. (A wide angle look at four lanes doesn't work. I tried it in a screen test in preparation for our own league's TOC a couple of weeks ago and it looks terrible, which is why we opted to put the little kids and the big kids together on one pair of lanes.) We chose to cover the GYBT's U15 Boys stepladder because we had three PRODIGY veterans make the final five (Charlie, Josh and Logan) and figured our longtime viewers would appreciate seeing how they did. If you would like to buy me five more cameras and tripods, I'll be happy to cover all six stepladders next year. Thanks in advance for your generous gifts. :-) Oh, and if you're that interested, the results are announced at the end of the show.
No injury as far as I am aware. I'll let him chime in if he feels inclined. I thought a couple of his shots looked like his speed was a little slow, and I commented on it. But he rallied, and actually took the lead late in his match, only to hand the lead back to his opponent. Conditions were tough. The only player who seemed like the conditions didn't challenge him much was the guy who was taking the conditions out of play by just throwing it straight.
You're right, it was an excellent comeback effort. As more of a speed dominant player myself I always get a chuckle out of someone throwing screamers down the middle and putting up some scores. I'm sure as the young man continues his bowling journey he will develop a bit more hand. If so, everyone is in trouble with his speed -- maybe the next Walter Ray!
I have a couple of questions and an observation. Why did the tournament director approach the Josh and Charles and make Joshua throw the first ball on the right lane? What reason was given why this occurred? And as for the comment, the woman who "hooted" at 27:14 of the match should be spoken to. The only thing vaguely (big stretch of the word...) is the spare pickup of the 6-10 four lanes to Joshua's right. But she seemed to be right behind the camera.... That's a shame if she was related....
I noticed the "hoot," too. I was standing right behind and under the camera, and you're right. She was nearby. I think she was to my left. So probably someone watching the girls match to our left. I'm sure it was unintentional. But I definitely noticed how it happened right in the player's downswing. I have no way of knowing who it was that blurted out this sound, so the moment has passed to have a word with her, or even give her a stern look. But I'm sure it was not intended to be a distraction. Now, as for the instructions given to the players at the beginning of Match 1, I was standing far enough away that I couldn't hear what was being said. But from what I surmised and heard others say, it appears that the tournament official mistakenly gave one player the choice of whether he wanted to start the match, and the other player the choice of starting lanes. Now, I'm not familiar with the specific rules, if any, that govern this with GYBT, and I'm not sure if there's a rule that governs it with USBC (if there is, please post it here), but I do know this: For as long as I've been alive (and I'll turn 65 this November and have been following bowling since I was 4), the "Match Play" format has ALWAYS had the first player bowl one frame on the left lane and all subsequent turns consist of a bowler throwing a frame on the right lane and then another frame on the left lane until the player who started by bowling one frame on the left gets up to bowl his 10th frame on the right. This has been the format used by the PBA since its inception in 1959. ABC used it at the All Star Tournament dating back to the start of the 20th Century. The player with the option had his choice of starting lanes, and it was understood that whoever started the match first would start on the left lane and would throw the last ball of the match on the right, while the player who finishes first would start on the right lane. This has been known to anyone who seriously follows bowling on TV. But it pre-dates TV. It goes back to the beginnings of the American Bowling Congress. And it may have started even before that, I don't know. It's a shame that it happened (if, indeed, it was a mistake). But it would be hard to say it favored any one player over another.
Ha! Well a stern look would have been appropriate. Thanks for the quick and detailed response. I greatly appreciate it. I have never seen the bowler on the right begin the match either. I could not find a rule stating that the game needed to be started on the left lane, but still it left me shocked. I would assume the player ranked higher would get his/her choice of lane though. I would want to bowl my tenth frame on the lane I seemed to be more comfortable with. It even states in the rules 320b "One lane"....leaving it to interpretation.... Thanks again for your response. I appreciate your time Rule 320 - Tournament Game/Series 320a. Two Lanes Required Bowling shall begin in accordance with a previously arranged schedule. Two lanes immediately adjoining each other shall be used in each game of tournament play. The first game of a series starts on the lane where the team or individual is scheduled. Succeeding games start on the lane on which the team or individual finished the preceding game, unless each complete game is bowled on a different pair of lanes. A tournament may have a rule allowing game/frames to be bowled on different lanes. 320b. Order of Bowling Members of competing teams, doubles and individual entrants shall successively and in regular order bowl one frame on one lane, and for the next frame alternate and use the other lane until five frames are bowled on each lane of the pair, unless the tournament rules allow game/frames to be bowled on different lanes.
I spoke to Josh Collins today and asked him about exactly what happened in this conversation. As I suspected, Jeff Halen, the tournament official, asked one of the players if they wanted to start the match. He then asked the other player which lane they wanted to start on. This is crazy, because it assumes that both players have a right to make this choice. In truth, the option belongs to the player with the higher seed. Jeff is a college coach, so he should know this. Unless there's a rule about it in the GYBT by-laws. I just don't know about that. But it was certainly strange. And doing it this way gives more of an advantage to the lower seed than would seem appropriate to me. There's a reason why this option has always belonged to the higher seed. But hey -- it wasn't my tournament to run.
really hate seeing the straight ball, brute force bowler win, but high scores are high scores! Logan if your reading this great job I was rooting for ya (I'm a Maryland 2 handed bowler, high game 300 high set 754. nationally ranked youth duck pin bowler)
Phil Carcione - He'll have to answer. I don't keep up with what ball each player is throwing. Besides, I think way too much emphasis is placed on equipment, and not enough on technique.
Okay so I can't find it anywhere on the internet but I was wondering if all pba bowlers bowl fingertip. My mom thinks that there is at least one who has to bowl conventional with most of the finger inside the ball.
Among the modern pros in this day and age, you won't find very many who don't use a fingertip grip. Mike Fagan is the only one I can think of who uses a Sarge Easter grip, which basicaly is a fingertip grip on the middle finger and a conventional grip on the ring finger. Back in the pre-reactive resin days, there were some players who used a semi-fingertip (where the fingers go in halfway between the first and second knuckle). When I see Sean Rash on TV, it looks to me like he's doing this now, but I can't confirm it. And I know there were some pros back in the day who threw conventional grips. Dave Davis did for a while (mainly because he would have hooked the snot out of it if he hadn't). Wayne Zahn was another. Both from an earlier era, however. Today, like I said, there's Fagan and Rash, and I'm not sure about anyone else. Of course there are those who don't insert their thumb.
Check out some recent footage of Norm Duke as well bowling for the Elias Cup. Looks like he uses more of a conventional grip. Also, there are several players who seem to tape their finger tips as well. I think Tommy Jones, and Wes Malott may be examples of this. Then you got Pete Webber who just wears a golf glove I believe covering all fingers.
Joseph Bobbitt - I won't be in Cleveland. But all of these kids and their families will. The schedule will be (if it isn't already) posted on Bowl.com.
I'm only 2 shots into the second game and I feel like Charlie isn't matched up with the right ball. He got away with the first game but I'm thinking he should have switched to the sure lock and moved left. that's what I would do
Chris Vandenborre - Interesting. I would have thought the opposite, that he'd have been better off tightening up his angles and going to something weaker -- possibly even his urethane. His problem was not that his ball wasn't hooking enough, it's that it was hooking too much. I thought he should have gone to his urethane ball in the first match. Look at who won. Straighter is greater.
BrownswickBowling urethane I agree with but not the ball he started with. having a little more speed and a bit higher rev rate than Charlie that's what I would have done
Chris Vandenborre - Every player on the show that got in trouble did so because they couldn't control the violent snap on the back end. Crossing more boards would not remedy that, it would only make it worse.
A shallower entry angle will usually produce more tripped 4s and even carry a nose dive now and then. Whereas the big hook ball will usually get penalized the most when it goes through the nose. Back in the day, there was a pro named Pete Tountas who was known for tripping a lot of 4 pins. He hit high a lot, but threw it so straight that he got a lot of trip 4s. There are advantages and disadvantages to throwing it hard and straight. But the biggest advantage on demanding conditions like this is that you take the lane conditions out of play. CJ may not have dazzled anyone with his performance, but if you look at his scores, he clearly bowled the best of anyone on the show.
Logan seems like a good kid based on his channel but he has some terrible body language. Once he gets that straightened out he's going to take off and really become an even better bowler than he already is.
I can't speak for Brunswick Zone Lilburn specifically, but I know at our center, Brunswick Zone Roswell, the gutters down by the pin deck are at the deepest allowable tolerance to still be within acceptable USBC specs. I imagine the same is probably true at the other Brunswick-owned (or formerly owned, anyway) centers in the Atlanta area. Deep gutters means the 6 pin, which sometimes will roll up and kick out the 10, will find a bit more resistance to doing so. Similarly, I know a lot of bowling centers around the country (maybe yours) install livelier kickbacks (the side-boards down by the pin deck) to produce more lively pin action. Some even go so far as to use pins that are known to produce somewhat more pin action. All these variables are sometimes favored by bowling centers that believe they'll attract more business by having a house that is known for its high scoring. Problem is, then their bowlers go bowl elsewhere and they encounter conditions somewhat less favorable to high scoring, and their players suffer as a result. This may be, to some degree, what you experienced.
I love going back and watching old videos. I come for the bowling, and stay for the beautiful animations
Great episode! That first round had me on the edge of my seat yet again!! What a great match up for all of these bowlers! Way to go! Great work again as usual on the video, Randy. And the Prodigy viewers especially thank the person that lent the portable charger to you!!! Keep up the great work!
Jake Holbein. He saved the day! I was getting the dreaded "Low Battery" message on my iPhone just as the championship match was getting started. I checked and was down to about 18% power remaining. Logan's dad has an iPhone and we've sort of had a secret agreement that if the cellphone ever runs dangerously low, he'd make his available. But then Jake handed me his charger and said I could use it. What a stud!!! One of these days, we'll get him to come up from Augusta and bowl on PBT. I know he wants to. Pretty good little bowler, although he didn't have the weekend he'd hoped for at GYBT TOC. Maybe next year.
I’m going through and watching all of your videos love watching them everyday it makes my day
these kids are great!!!
looking forward to watching this thanks Coach Randy
Another awesome show! Love that you are keeping it going. Love trailers also- you do those well and they always warn us that something big is coming.
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thank you randy this was awesome. some really good matches here
I found this to be an especially fascinating PRODIGY episode. Setting aside the fact that it was an actual tournament, not merely "unofficial, informal and impromptu after-league challenge matches," the mix of players made for a fascinating contrast in styles. A two-hander, two left-handers, rev dominant and speed dominant players. Plus, we had the usual cast of characters in Logan and Charlie that PRODIGY viewers are accustomed to seeing, but this time with a few others that PRODIGY viewers haven't seen before. Josh had not previously made the stepladder finals on prior PRODIGY episodes, but he and his dad did come up from Fort Benning to compete in our after-league challenge matches a few months ago. And while he didn't qualify for the show, he did manage to find a way to get some air time when, after we were finished with the stepladder, I spotted Josh bowling a 290 on the adjacent pair, and captured his last three balls of that stellar game. Dawson Stewart and his dad have been wanting to come bowl on PRODIGY for some time, but schedules just didn't permit. And CJ, being from Chattanooga, is a first-timer on PRODIGY. Interestingly, however, when I spoke to his mom and grandma to get permission to put him on the show, they'd heard of our little show.
BrownswickBowling
thanks for the long reply!
it was a really cool episode, these kids have great futures
GREAT JOB RANDY!!!!!
I thought GYBT stood for "Get Your Bowling Together!!" Lol
Great Show as always randy! love your work! keep it up :) #coachrandy #teamloganf
Fun episode..!
Kudos to the kids from Prodigy Bowling for their performances and Kudos to PBT for allowing these kids to experience a competitive format and have fun at the same time. How does that saying go ?? The sharpest blades are forged from the hottest fires.
Great video coach randy Brunswick roswell Georgia kelly lyons
Hi coach I love this show thanks so much for your show I enjoy it. coach question is there any reason why you call it a baby split? sometimes it cracks me up. I wanted to know what do you mean about that. thanks have a great day
p.S love Logan he's a amazing
I didn't invent the term. It's been called the "Baby Split" since before I started bowling in the 1950s. Any split that can be converted by having the ball knock both pins over is considered a "baby split." That includes the 3-10 (the right-hander's Baby Split) as well as the 2-7 (the left-hander's Baby Split). But technically, it also includes all the splits like the 4-5, 5-6, 7-8, 9-10 and the rarely seen 2-3 and 8-9 splits. They're all "baby splits." The term "baby split" dates back to the earliest days of bowling in America. Who dreamt it up and where it came from is something you'd have to ask someone at the Bowling Museum in Arlington, TX for an answer (and frankly, I doubt if anyone there knows the origins of the term). But I can assure you that I didn't make it up.
Good matches!
Good episode!
I picked up the big four for the first time yesterday :D
Great show, as always!
I just want to point out that there is a miscalculation in match 3. From frame 6 and forward on Dawson Stewart. A bit sad because of the tight game and last frames.
Anyway, keep up the great work and everything that you are doing :)
Love from Sweden.
jakkrabbitslim1 - Any scoring errors you see on screen are only mistakes I made in producing the video. The scoring was right in the bowling center.
I hate making these mistakes more than I can express. Try as I may to get the scoring right when I put these videos together, invariably there's almost always a mistake. Usually a type-o. And rest assured that the scoring was correct at the bowling center. It's just a mistake as I'm creating the graphics for the show. Unfortunately, I also use those graphics to talk about the score and who's leading when I do the play-by-play, so if there's a mistake in the scoring, then there's likely a mistake in the play-by-play. But in the end, it didn't change the outcome. It only meant Dawson needed just one strike, not two, in the 10th to win. Didn't matter after he left that 7-10.
go prodigy pros
Hey coach randy how about the fast four kelly lyons
could u tell Logan to post a new video on his channel plzzz thanku
Grad Johnson I'm working right now on improving my game. Not TH-cam at the moment. And as u see its paying off in my recent tournaments I've been doing much better. But I have a video made that's coming soon
I don't tell Logan what to do with his TH-cam channel.
it all came down to breaks, and boy did C.J. get em, it was his day. Great bowling kids!
I love watching this I would love to join leagues. Is it worth it?
League bowling is a great way to get fully immersed in the bowling experience. It's great fun, and you meet new people. I heartily recommend joinging a league to anyone who loves bowling and hasn't bowled in a league before.
Charlie is probably the best spare shooter I’ve seen for his age. He’s made tough splits in these shows many times.
Logans physical game is amazing. One tip for him when practicing is to practice hitting his target. I'm gonna be honest hitting your target is not the easiest thing. When my coach mentioned hitting my target that is the thing I practiced every bowling session from there on. Maybe he just had a bad game and he just wasn't on his best form. Other than that you bowled great Logan. Keep your head up high even though it's hard especially when you didn't bowl what you felt was good.
One thing about this is that the bowlers didn't know what oil pattern they were bowling on. They had to figure it out for themselves
Whats a good website to get bowlng shirts from??
John Doe - I like High5Gear.com and LogoInfusion.com.
C.J.'s game reminds me of a cross between Butch Soper and Bobby Knipple
Interesting that you would say that. Although I didn't make the Bobby Knipple connection, I was thinking that CJ reminded me a bit of Butch Soper.
BrownswickBowling You look at C.J.'s hand position, swing, and release then compare it to Bobby K then you will see what I mean.
Oh yeah, as soon as you mentioned the name Bobby Knipple, I immediately saw the resemblance in their games. I just didn't think of him before you mentioned him.
Brownswick Bowling Next time can you pls do the Coveted Bowling Ball?
Not likely. If we do an award at all this Summer, it'll be "silly-ish" and "Summer-y." Not looking for a "serious" award for Summer.
Um....like, "The Coveted Beach Ball'? Lol...j/k....that one is quite a bit silly and out there.
Yes. Or the Coveted Frisbee. Or something. Honestly, the Summer schedule is likely to be so irregular, it's silly to put the kind of emphasis on a "prize" like we do in the Fall-to-Spring season. I would love to think that we could fill the Summer months with content from bona fide "tournaments" like the one we covered this week. But these tournaments (where there's a stepladder at the end) aren't so common. We're starting a four-week spare clinic this Saturday at BZ Roswell where I coach, so it may provide grist for the mill. But what I'm really counting on is once the spare clinic is over, having my Saturdays free to go visit some other bowling centers and recruiting some of their kids to join in an impromptu after-league PRODIGY show on their home turf. I think over time, introducing our show to new bowlers this way may be the best way to grow our audience in the short term. And they'll tell two people, and so on and so on and so on (as the old commercial goes).
Hey Randy I'll be in Atlanta in July and was wondering if a meet up was possible. Been watching the PBT since basically the beginning and have enjoyed every show. Would be an honor to bowl with PBT.
Rumoured Lies - Our filming schedule is not mapped out, so it's impossible for me to know now when we'll be filming in July. So I wouldn't want you to make a special trip. But if you're going to be in town anyway, maybe we can meet up and bowl. Contact me thru my website at Brownswick.com and we can discuss it.
BrownswickBowling Randy I really enjoy your stuff:-) Bowling is truly a sport for all ages. I bowled a lot 25 years ago but quit for whatever reason. Just recently started bowling again. My equipment at the time was an original Brunswick LT48, AMF Gold Angle, and a Fab Black 🔨 original urethane ball. Now that I'm a senior bowler I didn't realize that you need muscles to bowl:-) They've been pretty sore for a month. I've gone to lighter equipment after watching a 75+ year old young lady roll a 220 with an #8 plastic. I figured a #15 reactive should be plenty. Looking forward to your fall stuff for the upcoming season. Good luck and have fun:-)
I haven't thrown 16 since getting back into bowling in 2012. In fact, when I first started back up, I was throwing 14. Didn't really feel like I was giving much up. I eventually went up to 15 pounds, which is what I'm throwing now. Most of the pros throw 15 nowadays. The modern ball is almost too strong in 16. (A few throw 16 still.) There's one senior guy here in Atlanta who throws 14 and wins about half the senior tournaments in the area. I'm thinking about dropping back down to 14 again now that I've been relatively inactive for the past year or so due to injury.
BrownswickBowling I know the tendons in my bowling arm are very tender right now. And my hips are killing me when I finish a 3 game set. I figure it's just do to not bowling for many years. I started back 3 weeks ago because my doctor told me to get out and exercise. The gym is boring and bowling is fun. Bowled in my first senior league last week. Since I didn't have a handicap I shot a 655 scratch but I'm really rusty. I had a decent average when I quit back in the early 80s and other than soreness and rust the ball reacts the same way it did back then. The main thing I worry about now injury. The ligaments and tendons are 25+ years older meaning I'll need to stretch out before bowling something I've never really done in the past. I'm sorry to hear that you're deal with nagging injuries as well. I feel like you do. Your mind is 18 however your body is 55+:-( It should be a fun season just need to slow the roll a bit if you know what mean:-)
What does Charles average
Cbowling Reviews 218 on house shot league and 194 in my sport shot league
CJ is in my high school league and he always throws like that, and picks up everything.
What about the girls stepladder
I have one camera. I can only be in one place at a time. (A wide angle look at four lanes doesn't work. I tried it in a screen test in preparation for our own league's TOC a couple of weeks ago and it looks terrible, which is why we opted to put the little kids and the big kids together on one pair of lanes.) We chose to cover the GYBT's U15 Boys stepladder because we had three PRODIGY veterans make the final five (Charlie, Josh and Logan) and figured our longtime viewers would appreciate seeing how they did. If you would like to buy me five more cameras and tripods, I'll be happy to cover all six stepladders next year. Thanks in advance for your generous gifts. :-) Oh, and if you're that interested, the results are announced at the end of the show.
Was Logan injured? He seemed to be throwing the ball with much less velocity than in past episodes. Thanks for the video. Congrats to all the kids!!
No injury as far as I am aware. I'll let him chime in if he feels inclined. I thought a couple of his shots looked like his speed was a little slow, and I commented on it. But he rallied, and actually took the lead late in his match, only to hand the lead back to his opponent. Conditions were tough. The only player who seemed like the conditions didn't challenge him much was the guy who was taking the conditions out of play by just throwing it straight.
You're right, it was an excellent comeback effort. As more of a speed dominant player myself I always get a chuckle out of someone throwing screamers down the middle and putting up some scores. I'm sure as the young man continues his bowling journey he will develop a bit more hand. If so, everyone is in trouble with his speed -- maybe the next Walter Ray!
What ball was Charles throwing in the 1st game?
I have a couple of questions and an observation. Why did the tournament director approach the Josh and Charles and make Joshua throw the first ball on the right lane? What reason was given why this occurred? And as for the comment, the woman who "hooted" at 27:14 of the match should be spoken to. The only thing vaguely (big stretch of the word...) is the spare pickup of the 6-10 four lanes to Joshua's right. But she seemed to be right behind the camera.... That's a shame if she was related....
I noticed the "hoot," too. I was standing right behind and under the camera, and you're right. She was nearby. I think she was to my left. So probably someone watching the girls match to our left. I'm sure it was unintentional. But I definitely noticed how it happened right in the player's downswing. I have no way of knowing who it was that blurted out this sound, so the moment has passed to have a word with her, or even give her a stern look. But I'm sure it was not intended to be a distraction.
Now, as for the instructions given to the players at the beginning of Match 1, I was standing far enough away that I couldn't hear what was being said. But from what I surmised and heard others say, it appears that the tournament official mistakenly gave one player the choice of whether he wanted to start the match, and the other player the choice of starting lanes. Now, I'm not familiar with the specific rules, if any, that govern this with GYBT, and I'm not sure if there's a rule that governs it with USBC (if there is, please post it here), but I do know this: For as long as I've been alive (and I'll turn 65 this November and have been following bowling since I was 4), the "Match Play" format has ALWAYS had the first player bowl one frame on the left lane and all subsequent turns consist of a bowler throwing a frame on the right lane and then another frame on the left lane until the player who started by bowling one frame on the left gets up to bowl his 10th frame on the right. This has been the format used by the PBA since its inception in 1959. ABC used it at the All Star Tournament dating back to the start of the 20th Century. The player with the option had his choice of starting lanes, and it was understood that whoever started the match first would start on the left lane and would throw the last ball of the match on the right, while the player who finishes first would start on the right lane. This has been known to anyone who seriously follows bowling on TV. But it pre-dates TV. It goes back to the beginnings of the American Bowling Congress. And it may have started even before that, I don't know.
It's a shame that it happened (if, indeed, it was a mistake). But it would be hard to say it favored any one player over another.
Ha! Well a stern look would have been appropriate. Thanks for the quick and detailed response. I greatly appreciate it. I have never seen the bowler on the right begin the match either. I could not find a rule stating that the game needed to be started on the left lane, but still it left me shocked. I would assume the player ranked higher would get his/her choice of lane though. I would want to bowl my tenth frame on the lane I seemed to be more comfortable with. It even states in the rules 320b "One lane"....leaving it to interpretation.... Thanks again for your response. I appreciate your time Rule 320 - Tournament Game/Series
320a. Two Lanes Required
Bowling shall begin in accordance with a previously arranged schedule. Two lanes immediately adjoining each other shall be used in each game of tournament play.
The first game of a series starts on the lane where the team or individual is scheduled. Succeeding games start on the lane on which the team or individual finished the preceding game, unless each
complete game is bowled on a different pair of lanes.
A tournament may have a rule allowing game/frames to be bowled on different lanes.
320b. Order of Bowling
Members of competing teams, doubles and individual entrants shall successively and in regular order bowl one frame on one lane, and for the next frame alternate and use the other lane until five frames
are bowled on each lane of the pair, unless the tournament rules allow game/frames to be bowled on different lanes.
I spoke to Josh Collins today and asked him about exactly what happened in this conversation. As I suspected, Jeff Halen, the tournament official, asked one of the players if they wanted to start the match. He then asked the other player which lane they wanted to start on. This is crazy, because it assumes that both players have a right to make this choice. In truth, the option belongs to the player with the higher seed. Jeff is a college coach, so he should know this. Unless there's a rule about it in the GYBT by-laws. I just don't know about that. But it was certainly strange. And doing it this way gives more of an advantage to the lower seed than would seem appropriate to me. There's a reason why this option has always belonged to the higher seed. But hey -- it wasn't my tournament to run.
Well done CJ on your win but boy didn't the hook bowlers suffer today.
What they say is true: Straighter is greater.
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really hate seeing the straight ball, brute force bowler win, but high scores are high scores! Logan if your reading this great job I was rooting for ya
(I'm a Maryland 2 handed bowler, high game 300 high set 754. nationally ranked youth duck pin bowler)
What ball is Charles throwing
He threw more than one.
Which ones in the first game
Phil Carcione - He'll have to answer. I don't keep up with what ball each player is throwing. Besides, I think way too much emphasis is placed on equipment, and not enough on technique.
Yeah true good point
Phil Carcione storm mix
Okay so I can't find it anywhere on the internet but I was wondering if all pba bowlers bowl fingertip. My mom thinks that there is at least one who has to bowl conventional with most of the finger inside the ball.
Among the modern pros in this day and age, you won't find very many who don't use a fingertip grip. Mike Fagan is the only one I can think of who uses a Sarge Easter grip, which basicaly is a fingertip grip on the middle finger and a conventional grip on the ring finger. Back in the pre-reactive resin days, there were some players who used a semi-fingertip (where the fingers go in halfway between the first and second knuckle). When I see Sean Rash on TV, it looks to me like he's doing this now, but I can't confirm it. And I know there were some pros back in the day who threw conventional grips. Dave Davis did for a while (mainly because he would have hooked the snot out of it if he hadn't). Wayne Zahn was another. Both from an earlier era, however. Today, like I said, there's Fagan and Rash, and I'm not sure about anyone else. Of course there are those who don't insert their thumb.
BrownswickBowling thx for the help
Check out some recent footage of Norm Duke as well bowling for the Elias Cup. Looks like he uses more of a conventional grip. Also, there are several players who seem to tape their finger tips as well. I think Tommy Jones, and Wes Malott may be examples of this. Then you got Pete Webber who just wears a golf glove I believe covering all fingers.
Jakob Buttruff uses a conventional, but he's also double jointed and holds the ball strange
hi
2 10s everywhere on the left and right of u15 boys
Which bowling center will you be in Cleveland in July? I live about 30 miles south of Cleveland.
Joseph Bobbitt - I won't be in Cleveland. But all of these kids and their families will. The schedule will be (if it isn't already) posted on Bowl.com.
I'm only 2 shots into the second game and I feel like Charlie isn't matched up with the right ball. He got away with the first game but I'm thinking he should have switched to the sure lock and moved left. that's what I would do
Chris Vandenborre but thats the highest hooking ball as of right now
Marcoloctopus he has it polished it looked nice frame 8 9 and 10 game 2
Chris Vandenborre - Interesting. I would have thought the opposite, that he'd have been better off tightening up his angles and going to something weaker -- possibly even his urethane. His problem was not that his ball wasn't hooking enough, it's that it was hooking too much. I thought he should have gone to his urethane ball in the first match. Look at who won. Straighter is greater.
BrownswickBowling urethane I agree with but not the ball he started with. having a little more speed and a bit higher rev rate than Charlie that's what I would have done
Chris Vandenborre - Every player on the show that got in trouble did so because they couldn't control the violent snap on the back end. Crossing more boards would not remedy that, it would only make it worse.
I wanted Logan to win. However, TENNESSEE PRIDE!! 😂
i would have been beyond frustrated bowling against C.J. when he was getting those brakes
A shallower entry angle will usually produce more tripped 4s and even carry a nose dive now and then. Whereas the big hook ball will usually get penalized the most when it goes through the nose. Back in the day, there was a pro named Pete Tountas who was known for tripping a lot of 4 pins. He hit high a lot, but threw it so straight that he got a lot of trip 4s. There are advantages and disadvantages to throwing it hard and straight. But the biggest advantage on demanding conditions like this is that you take the lane conditions out of play. CJ may not have dazzled anyone with his performance, but if you look at his scores, he clearly bowled the best of anyone on the show.
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I bowled against cj once.
He only missed a washout.
I lost.
The Fletch - Losing against C.J. seems to be a recurring theme.
Logan seems like a good kid based on his channel but he has some terrible body language. Once he gets that straightened out he's going to take off and really become an even better bowler than he already is.
I came here for my tnba junior regional and carry was a problem i couldnt get the corners out
I can't speak for Brunswick Zone Lilburn specifically, but I know at our center, Brunswick Zone Roswell, the gutters down by the pin deck are at the deepest allowable tolerance to still be within acceptable USBC specs. I imagine the same is probably true at the other Brunswick-owned (or formerly owned, anyway) centers in the Atlanta area. Deep gutters means the 6 pin, which sometimes will roll up and kick out the 10, will find a bit more resistance to doing so. Similarly, I know a lot of bowling centers around the country (maybe yours) install livelier kickbacks (the side-boards down by the pin deck) to produce more lively pin action. Some even go so far as to use pins that are known to produce somewhat more pin action. All these variables are sometimes favored by bowling centers that believe they'll attract more business by having a house that is known for its high scoring. Problem is, then their bowlers go bowl elsewhere and they encounter conditions somewhat less favorable to high scoring, and their players suffer as a result. This may be, to some degree, what you experienced.