True science prove the existence of God especially by proving that a universe can't be magically created from absolutely nothing without an original source because that would violate the laws of the physical universe also you have to have information for creation and you can't have information without intelligence
@@Loading....99.99 l wrong again because science does prove God using the term prove or disprove God is an atheist agnostic terminology so you just disproved that you're a Christian and you believe in God prove that the laws of time space physics the fundamental forces of the universe even information can exist before the universe existed without an intelligence source science proves that order cannot be created from chaos and proves you can't get something from nothing if you have absolutely nothing not even a vacuum then you can't get something from it sorry your argument is invalid
@@christopherfjwood5494 yep a universe coming from nothing which is what the big bang says happened as a religion the big bang says that the universe came from nothing because it doesn't give any clue of where time space matter energy the laws of the physical universe etc came from which would be required to create the singularity from which the Big bang came and it doesn't give a clue of how those things can exist before the universe came into existence sorry but unless you can prove that a universe can come from nothing meaning the Big bang then your argument is invalid
What I find amazing is that each part of DNA is coded to perform a certain function yet the only reason we know it performs that function is because we can see it and test it. How would a completely random accident with no intelligence possibly know that a particular 'code' would result in a particular result/ function? Only the person who designed it could know that
@@ji8044 That famous, primordial soup is not scientific either. And yet, atheistic persuasion drives evolutionists to cling to that MIRACULOUS substance as being where life started. I'll tell you what else is not scientific: For YOUR sake, and for the sake of evolution___ that WONDERFUL, MAGICAL soup.... did it come into existence through self-will? Or is it deliciously eternal? One thing is for sure, it sure as hell HAS supernatural abilities! I think it is absolutely hilarious that you are stuck with a supernatural soup instead of a supernatural creator. So if you are intent upon dismissal of a god, that soup is not a good option!
@@GregoryHolden-k5c We should be checking the current soups all around the world to see if they have anything new. If they don't contain anything, then we conclude that life could have only started in primordial soups, and that means that changes to the environment somehow moved it along. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that it could have happened that way, so we're back to maybe having a higher power that has had as much time as it needs to figure all this stuff out. I have no problem with that.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 Well, that's excellent advice. But then again, I don't even necessarily like soup ____especially not the kind that atheists need in order to prop up their FAITH. And any soup that ancient ____I'll bet it taste horrible! Have a good evening.
@@ji8044 "that is not a scientific statement at all" in this instance is like saying that the inference that someone built the pyramids is "not a scientific statement at all." Do you need to "scientifcally" test the pyramids to know they weren't built by random processes?
@Matthewc5610 The first scientists ever were believers in intelligent design. Christians . It wasn't until Darwins debunked theory that nature a mindless entity accidentally brought everything into existence. You have to be very fearful of the truth to believe something so unbelievable.
Two of the most brilliant and intellectually honest scientists living in our time! We are privileged to be able to witness their work and thought process in action!
Why is it that we can accept when an intelligent (yet flawed) human being tries to recreate life, but we can't accept that something more intelligent than human beings created all living matter (including human beings)? It doesn't take a brilliant mind to be able to figure out that anything that is intelligently designed must have an intelligent DESIGNER.
@@mlen7149 Those who don't believe in an intelligent creator, will tell you their brain also was not intelligently created. Ask them and they will tell you their brain evolved from a mindless, guideless random process, and yet they want us to trust their rational.
@@Loading....99.99 Mindless, yes. Guideless, no. Evolution isn't random. It trends towards survivability and anything that therefor supports survivability. Knowing what is true/accurate and what is not tends to be a really really really good survival factor. So yes, evolution directs us to the ability to recognize the world around us and how it works. Acting in accordance to the way the world works is what we call rational as logic is based off the real world.
Because they want to be God. And not humble themselves, it’s very prevalent among elites, the pride overcomes.. think about it, if you’re considered an expert at something and you’ve already seen the peak, most people at that level wouldn’t want to give their glory up to something higher, they want to be selfish and act as if they did it all by themselves or else their whole life would be a joke if they didn’t, In their premature minds of course. Power can pervert one self. The funniest thing is that in comparison, they’re nothing but a mere sandball (including my self) to the lights of God yet he allows the sandball to continue living, loving God for sure.
As a child, I already got a feel for the concept of "eternity". I was forced to listen to the priests' sermons on Sundays. Later, the concept came up again in mathematics in the concept of "infinite number". Humans, like animals, have the ability to understand and interact. Most of the time, arguing about the existence of a concept is secondary. It is more important to think together about what they are used for, what their common purpose is. Like religion.
I'd like to hear a more detailed account of exactly how the intelligent designer designed life, rather than just how it couldn't have been through purely natural processes.
Read Genesis Chapter 1!! He spoke the Universe into existence. If you want "details" of what He did, how long it took, etc. read Meyer, Hugh Ross, John Lennox. James Tour and/or watch their TH-cam videos.
@@jaybennett236 I want a step by step explanation of how 'he' did it like you might have with the plans and then the actual construction which we know were done by humans. The bible is too vague and will only be believed by those want to believe. For IDers it is simply a case of 'It's too complex, therefore design' with no detailed explanation of how because they can't. And there is no explanation of how a mind can exist outside of a body
@@declanchandler9371 No-one knows. Just as you can't explain the process whereby organic life came out of non living inanimate materials as a result of random unguided processes. What we do know is that scientists who are working on abiogenesis, are brilliant minds, guiding and manipulating the process, so if one day they do achieve the results they want, they've shown that to do it needed intelligent intervention, or design
Enough time? But still no mechanism! Apart from Tour's apt remarks, time offers no escape because it has no mechanism in itself. We need to see a mechanism. But Darwinist selectionism is arid on this point, and can tell us nothing. The reason is Darwinist selectionism is so bad it is not even wrong. But that I mean, it completely misses the point of the inbuilt variability of organisms, rarely at the 'species' level, but more typically at the genus level, if not the family level in some cases. All 'natural selection' could do is cull out the comparatively less able to survive in the circumstances; and often the culling occurs by accident. So it's circumstantial ecological culling that occurs. In that case the 'lucky mutation' (chemical or biological) could easily get stepped by an elephant, ending its possibilities.
It kind of bugs me a bit with the focus on atheist because they are easy targets for loving Christian's who tend to mock them(snark intended). Many people who don't subscribe to religion do consider that the universe is created and particularly designed. They just don't think religion provides the answers as it is a human construct in their minds.
I'm gonna put this simply said so everyone in the last couple of generations should understand... So bear with me until the end. Everyone has heard of the "The Miracle on the Hudson River" where a pilot (nicknamed Sully) landed a large commercial plane on the Hudson River (after losing power in both engines). When results of computer simulators were used to test the theory if Sully could have made it back to the nearest airport safely, was brought up during the investigation of the crash. The simulators showed they could have made it to an airport... "Sully" asked "how many times did it take for that computer/simulator to make it to either of the closest airports without crashing?"...they answered "only 7 out of 13 made it safely back to La Guardia, and 1 out of 2 made it safely back to Teterboro". Sully had ONE chance. NOW, Even though God can do anything all the time... The moral of the story is, it takes intelligence not just computers to fly an airplane... So why would ANYONE think "A Cell" could BECOME something from nothing and then over "A few 100 billions years or so", that same " Cell" divided and then developed into EVERYTHING AND SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING in our universe? That's why I believe in "GOD/The only Intelligent designer"
"Proverb 3:1-5" "1 Let love and faithfulness never leave you; 2 bind them around your neck, 3 write them on the tablet of your heart. 4 Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." 🙏🙏🙏
Here’s a short list of fallacies that can be identified in the video: Appeal to Authority: The argument relies heavily on the credentials of Dr. Meyer and Dr. Tour without addressing the scientific consensus or evidence surrounding the origin of life. Just because someone is qualified does not mean their views are correct. Ad Hominem: The argument dismisses critics of Meyer and Tour by implying that those who disagree are simply being "intellectually dishonest," rather than addressing their arguments directly. Straw Man: The argument misrepresents the position of scientists who accept evolutionary theory by suggesting they believe life can form by chance without any evidence, ignoring the complexities and nuances of the scientific discussions. False Dichotomy: The speaker presents the situation as if there are only two choices: either life was created by God or it formed by chance, ignoring the possibility of alternative explanations, such as natural processes that are still being researched. Begging the Question: The claim that “time is your enemy” assumes that time cannot produce complex life without providing substantial evidence to support this assertion, effectively circular reasoning. Slippery Slope: The argument implies that reliance on time will lead to the ultimate failure of scientists to explain the origin of life, suggesting a dire consequence without solid justification. Red Herring: The mention of "time is your enemy" distracts from the main topic of the origin of life by focusing on a critique of scientific methodologies instead of engaging with the actual scientific evidence and theories. Overgeneralization: Statements like "the more scientists learn about the problem of the origin of life, the further away they get from the solution" make broad claims that do not accurately reflect the state of scientific research in the field. These fallacies weaken the argument's credibility and demonstrate a lack of engagement with the scientific evidence regarding the origin of life.
One subject I don’t think anyone has brought up is what a nice shirt that is you are wearing. Everyoneç knows in their heart God exists, which is why so called unbelievers are so quick to anger.
That is simply FALSE. I certainly do not know any particular god to exist in reality. So, you are either grossly mistaken or deliberately lying. Which is it?
What's amazing is what he said at 5:35 is exactly what we're saying God is and God does it was an intelligent intervention to create human life on Earth, similarly he is saying that the scientists can only create life when they intelligently intervene for simulation purposes
If theres a god hed be better than the one in the bible...if not we are all effed...the bible is far too evil and illogical to be from the real god if there is one
@walterdaems57. Wow. Your comment actually got a laugh from me! But it wasn't a great comedic feat. Nah, it was funny for a different reason. The reason is , you and your evolutionistic proponents ridicule the supernatural but _____YOU need it for evolution to be true. Let's sum this up: The famous, prevailing primordial soup theory claims that life started within that particular aqueous substance. Well that good old soup had to have MADE itself exist. Or it MUST be eternal. Eternal soup or such a soup willing itself into existence ____nah , nothing supernatural there,huh? Pure comedy, I'll say.
@@GregoryHolden-k5c Nooo! All the scientific theories are crap and bull, everybody knows that! No, no, it’s a celestial wizard who shook the universe out of his sleeve. It’s the most plausible and most documented fact of all times.
Yeah…because it stands to logic and reason that non extant goddesses-Lady Luck, Sister Chance and Mama Nature-got together to make a baby cell god that created everything else. Plus your primordial soup is mythology itself on 2 levels: ANE Babylonian myth and modern Evolutionism pseudoscience pseudoreligion myth of origins.
TIME was the 1st & it'll be the last of God's stepping out of eternity. Sing/enjoy: Twilight Time- Seems like old Times at Chris Phally channel on TH-cam & 💯 more of inspired piano 🎹 music 🎶.😊 Thanks for this wonderful post!
Excellent stuff. Thanks. So the analogy of the monkey with a typewriter given infinite time - would come up EVENTUALLY with Shakespeare doesn’t hold in biological systems because time isn’t neutral it is destructive to the stability of intermediary organic molecules, which are needed for later interactions.
The Bible tells us clearly where we came from. Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
I will tell you clearly that this fictional account in the Book of Genesis is a joke and that man was not created by this mythological deity. See how that works?
This alone has all the red flags of a total scam and BS story.... If god truly sits outside of time, space, matter and is all knowing and all powerful than men is absolutely nothing like him/her/it! The other way around would be awfully logical though: men made up a god to be just like them so everyone would be able to identify.. Seriously, it not even remotely compelling or convincing. Pure fiction.
Stephen Meyer and and James Tour , always telling us what they assume can’t happen , but never tell us what can happen. . Still waiting for an intelligent design advocate , to provide a mechanism for creation . To prove anything beyond reasonable doubt, you need to provide a mechanism , so please provide a mechanism for anything God has created, Anything at all …. The usual stuff, Dog, cat, horse, tree , universe. ?
But the materialists don't have a mechanism either, so you're demanding something that we don't have the data for yet. Their point is made regardless of this issue, so you're merely deflecting.
@@Obeytheroadrules Rubbish. Suppose we go with the currently most popular mechanism, RNA world. Even if demonstrated, this says nothing about whether or not God created the world so that it would happen. The only 'evidence' you have against God is your a priori assumption that he does not exist. (A priori assumptions are non -scientific, in case you don't know.)
@@grantbartley483 I’m only going with what the science says , science doesn’t say god did . Tour and Myers have a vested interest , they are forever trying to to push their religion, they pretend they are not but we both know that’s not true
@@grantbartley483 The NASA definition for life on Earth is……. . Life is a self sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution. . Unless of course, YOU are right and NASA is wrong 🤔
According to the book of Kings in the Bible it can be proven that Jaweh exists and is the one true god. The evangelist Elijah showed you how to do it. Do that.
I am very very clever and I have many qualifications. So you need to trust my opinions about things we don't know. And you should buy my book about Jesus. You're gonna love it !
You are just an uneducated snake oil salesman. List you many qualification and college degrees, if you have any. What is the name of your book? What is your name?
@@johnhitz1185 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:15-20
@@paulthompson9668 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward." Mark 9:39-41 The fruits of James Tour and Stephen Meyer have been greatly increased faith among Christians and many new souls won to Christ. Now consider who has taught you that you would accuse a brother like this.
Meyer isn't a scientist at all. Tour is a good chemist though. We don't know now and almost certainly never will know how life began on earth. It wasn't Adam and Eve, nor was it in the primordial soup.
here's the difference, your using this video to smuggle in your pre conceived religious God which has zero evidence, for something beyond our current understanding. your bronze age mindset is based on one of two things or both. 1. I don't know how therfore a God 2 an old book says a thing which has no specific break through in understanding the universe. I don't claim there is or isn't a God. I simply don't know, and because I don't know, im not going to fill in that gap and conclude a God based on my ignorance
@@ronsampsons5thchannel711 The “God of the gaps” argument is such a good red herring. Just address the science in the video! Disprove what they are saying!
For what you're saying at the end that's the whole reason they're trying to create transhumanism in cyborgs, they're trying to escape judgement and send another way. Genesis 3:22
because you cant understand it doesnt mean its whatever god magic but im going to throw my hat and say this: the problem its not about if god exist or not, wise people know that the universe its not game competition to know whos right, the science or the religious, imagine you merge all people in the world in a single person and IT looks into a mirror... like someone said "if you gaze into an abyss the abyss will gaze at you", time may look like our enemy but its not, you die in 80 years but people are born every day wich will live another 80 years, and those people will carry over the information you discovered to the next generation until WE BECAME GOD ITSELF, thats right, we are "god", whatever it means divine, universe, elohim, conciusness, because we can think and put into words, that means we can create universes, we are universe and the universe will create man again to the infinity
@@ByTheBookMinistries :) , just think about it, 12000 or more years ago humans discovered fire, did we stop there? a couple years ago we created AI, does it look that we will stop there? what will be the final stop? to me is either we destroy ourselves or we became "god", im not a religious person, but even Psalm 82:6 says the same, look at video games, histories, movies, why do we like to create fantasy and try to bring it into reality? humans in air? check, humans in space? check, theres no stoping point imagine 10000 years in the future, now in reverse, do we look that we were created? yes, by who?, god? who is god? a inteligent human just like us? Genesis 1:27 "god created man as his image", again im not a religious person
@@ByTheBookMinistries just think about it, 12000 or more years ago humans discovered fire, did we stop there? a couple years ago we created AI, does it look that we will stop there? what will be the final stop? to me is either we destroy ourselves or we became "god", im not a religious person, but even Psalm 82:6 says the same, look at video games, histories, movies, why do we like to create fantasy and try to bring it into reality? humans in air? check, humans in space? check, theres no stoping point imagine 10000 years in the future, now in reverse, do we look that we were created? yes, by who?, god? who is god? a inteligent human just like us? Genesis 1:27 "god created man as his image", again im not a religious person
Nanotech and graphene oxide are no good. Inherently anti-human technology. I love brother Tour, but he's involved in the research of the tech that will bring about digital slavery.
Actual proof is something that cannot be proved false or denied by believers or non believers. This comment is about as close to that as: "The first man to cycle to Mars eating only his shoes." Tell me how can you say you've proved your god exists using proof your own PhD won't declare fact?
God is undectabl to science. By reasoning who God is. He's in another realm. The man does not tell make the rules how to find God . Lol that's not God at all . That's called stupid . If God is real. He is above .mans way s.
@@MichaelQuintana-z2r Sorry the only thing that's stupid is talking about something no one will ever prove exists as if it is real. But hey an nice set of unsustainable falsehoods for you to pretend are real. By the way, perhaps you should read the Commandments and consider the risk if stating something as fact only your god could know. (Link it with not taking the name of your lord in vein.)
@@Lightbearer616 you can never prove He is not real. I told you . Your rules don't apply to God. That's still stupid else He isn't God . His ways apply to man . That's why He is God not vice versa
@@Lightbearer616 do one thing right man.. prove to me the resurrection never happened. Else your jjust blowing smoke.stopp spinning your wheels cause they didn't go anywhere.
This guy seriously needs to grow up and stop dropping F BOMs. To have Kratos as a mindless bloodthirsty beast all the time shows no character development
I laugh at these jokers who spend all their time trying to prove science wrong I can only think they do it because they know it is a waste of time trying to prove their religion right.
Your talking nonsense what you need to do is prove god exists instead of messing around trying to prove science is wrong. These jokers get away with what they do because they are using TH-cam to spin their stories to none experts and they make it sound convincing. But don't get published in mainstream science journals because what they are saying is not science which is why they stick to religious journals. 1 John 4:12, Exodus 33:11
LOL, LOL, LOL. Stephen and James are not scientists. Why? Because they don't know or refuse to know how science works. Those two clowns were debunked countless times, and this is not hard to do, if you want to do it. I could spend days talking about their faults. The only think they do is say: "I cannot explain this hence ... god or intelligent aliens"
@Drifter4everTour & CO is way out of their own area here. Why do you think they dont make real science and publish sany scientific articles? because they know they would be massacered by the peer-review. instead they preach (!) to the you tube concregation.
If you think Steven Meyer has any clue about anything, look up Dover v kitsmiller in which he got completely and utterly destroyed in a court of law. With a conservative, Rick santorum appointed judge . He ended up having to admit that under his version of what science should be witchcraft and astrology would have to be considered valid scientific theories.
Strong atheism is untenable. Agnostic atheism is a belief statement just as theism. When compared, the evidence favors theism. Christianity is the most supported form of theism. Not the same as a debunk, but a good justification for christian beliefs.
EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS; NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN FACTS. NO ONE knows the extent and/or limitations of nature OR god. No one has true knowledge or access to a supreme being, or history would read vastly differently than it does. Even Nobel prize-winning scientists admit they do not know physical reality's epistemic basis or limitations. J. B. S. Haldane said that "The universe is not only queerer than we suppose but queerer than we CAN suppose." The solution to the issue of the reality or non-reality of God is not philosophical or even theological. The solution is found in the history of the change of Jew's polytheistic belief system to a monotheistic belief system and how that led to even the average reader and believer being able to see that Yahweh is a man-made god by using common sense. This discovery was triggered for me by a Christian bullshit lie by Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham. It is also a claim I have heard many Christian authorities repeat. It is a lie intended to conceal the Jews's polytheistic origins and the FABRICATION OF YAHWEH as the Judeo-Christian God. When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they were physically and culturally transported from the “sticks” to the most sophisticated city, culture, and mythology in the world at that time. They found themselves in a culturally enriched environment; some became wealthy, and the religiously tolerant Mesopotamians did not discriminate against them for their beliefs. Overall, they prospered, and later, when Cyrus the Great gave the Jews permission to return to Isreal, most refused to return. The Jewish clergy, who did return, influenced by Mesopotamian mythology, which they greatly admired, decided to imitate various elements of “The Epic of Gilgamesh” and the monotheistic, dualistic religion Joroasterism by changing the Jewish belief system from polytheistic to monotheistic. They did this by demoting El (i.e., Elohim) and Baal, eliminating the three Goddess Consorts, and PROMOTING YAHWEH TO SUPREME BEING. The problem is that when men, i.e., the clergy, make life, death, and career decisions for Gods, those gods are not Gods; they are puppets and mere mouthpieces for the clergy. A true God would be non-contingent, i.e., dependent only on himself for his existence. That’s the ONLY WAY a god could be supernatural. Yet the lying, conniving clergy wrote, “And God said…..” But since Yahweh is man-made, he is a concept only and can not speak or appear. No earthly gods are supernatural because they all have a common origin-Man. Yahweh is man-contingent, not non-contingent! The Jewish Clergy plagiarized the myths in Genesis, i.e., the Garden of Eden, the Tower of Babel, Noah's flood, men living to a great age, e.g., 65,000 years, even the Seven Days of Creation, and the trope of the Snake, Magical plant, and Eternal Life. The Mesopotamians gave the week seven days because they revered seven heavenly bodies, literally: the Sun, Mercury, and Venus. They didn't see Earth as a heavenly body, so they continued with the Moon, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Some cultures use that exact same system, e.g., France. In our culture, we have named four days after Scandinavian gods, like the god Thor, for Thursday. However, we still have three contiguous days named after the Mesopotamian system: Saturnday, Sunday and Moonday. Mesopotamians counted by twelves and sixties, which is how we tell time. They had elements of calculus and trigonometry and what is still considered an advanced form of agriculture-irrigated multi-cropping. They could compute area and volume and predict eclipses. The Bible calls them the Magi, e.g., the three Wise Men. Magi is the origin of “magic,” which I define as “the manipulation of matter through unseen forces.” As has been observed, any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic to less advanced people. Many other nations and cultures ripped the brilliant people of Mesopotamia off without attribution, but the wicked clergy claimed the plagiarized material was both history and "God's word." The clergy's principal talents are lies, fraud, extortion, forgery, fabrication, and promoting fake relics, which must be concealed and never admitted to, or the con game won't work. The clergy will NEVER tell you the truth; their livelihood depends on it. Even ex-clergy won’t tell you, preferring to articulate other reasons for leaving the “faith,” e.g., ignorance of the grift, loss of “faith” over epistemic issues, etc, rather than admitting participation in a con game. The Christian clergy has been lying to believers for 2,000 years. Their lies, their promotion of Yahweh, the man-made god, and their writing and control of their fictive, clergy-controlled, historically inaccurate, scientifically illiterate Bible provide the false pretenses under which the clergy defraud and extort their believers. The clergy violates the 9th Commandment daily because they have something to hide - the fact that Christianity is a con game. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamian_mythology iranian.com/main/blog/nabarz/persian-angels-and-demons.html www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=heaven+and+hell&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Bible th-cam.com/video/yar8WqKmLOM/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Ha1X7gwaXBw/w-d-xo.html
True science prove the existence of God especially by proving that a universe can't be magically created from absolutely nothing without an original source because that would violate the laws of the physical universe also you have to have information for creation and you can't have information without intelligence
While I believe in God, I think it is understood that science cannot prove or disprove God as God transcends our natural world.
@@Loading....99.99 l wrong again because science does prove God using the term prove or disprove God is an atheist agnostic terminology so you just disproved that you're a Christian and you believe in God prove that the laws of time space physics the fundamental forces of the universe even information can exist before the universe existed without an intelligence source science proves that order cannot be created from chaos and proves you can't get something from nothing if you have absolutely nothing not even a vacuum then you can't get something from it sorry your argument is invalid
Creating a universe from nothing is religion, not the big bang theory.
@@christopherfjwood5494 yep a universe coming from nothing which is what the big bang says happened as a religion the big bang says that the universe came from nothing because it doesn't give any clue of where time space matter energy the laws of the physical universe etc came from which would be required to create the singularity from which the Big bang came and it doesn't give a clue of how those things can exist before the universe came into existence sorry but unless you can prove that a universe can come from nothing meaning the Big bang then your argument is invalid
If intelligence can only come from intelligence, what intelligence did God come from?
What I find amazing is that each part of DNA is coded to perform a certain function yet the only reason we know it performs that function is because we can see it and test it. How would a completely random accident with no intelligence possibly know that a particular 'code' would result in a particular result/ function? Only the person who designed it could know that
That is not a scientific statement, at all.
@@ji8044 That famous, primordial soup is not scientific either. And yet, atheistic persuasion drives evolutionists to cling to that MIRACULOUS substance as being where life started. I'll tell you what else is not scientific: For YOUR sake, and for the sake of evolution___ that WONDERFUL, MAGICAL soup.... did it come into existence through self-will? Or is it deliciously eternal? One thing is for sure, it sure as hell HAS supernatural abilities! I think it is absolutely hilarious that you are stuck with a supernatural soup instead of a supernatural creator. So if you are intent upon dismissal of a god, that soup is not a good option!
@@GregoryHolden-k5c We should be checking the current soups all around the world to see if they have anything new. If they don't contain anything, then we conclude that life could have only started in primordial soups, and that means that changes to the environment somehow moved it along. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that it could have happened that way, so we're back to maybe having a higher power that has had as much time as it needs to figure all this stuff out. I have no problem with that.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 Well, that's excellent advice. But then again, I don't even necessarily like soup ____especially not the kind that atheists need in order to prop up their FAITH. And any soup that ancient ____I'll bet it taste horrible! Have a good evening.
@@ji8044 "that is not a scientific statement at all" in this instance is like saying that the inference that someone built the pyramids is "not a scientific statement at all." Do you need to "scientifcally" test the pyramids to know they weren't built by random processes?
What kills me, is when I mention Meyer and Tour in the comments atheists will always say that they aren’t real scientists 😂
That's bc science is science (meaning Christians know nothing about it) until scientists gets involved 😂.
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Wow....what dumb is when people call nonsense science.
Macro evolution is complete, non-scientific nonsense.
That's because they are well known charlatans and frauds, not scientists.
@Matthewc5610 The first scientists ever were believers in intelligent design. Christians . It wasn't until Darwins debunked theory that nature a mindless entity accidentally brought everything into existence. You have to be very fearful of the truth to believe something so unbelievable.
Psalms 19:1
"The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork"
17:00-17:42 God's handy work is in EVERYTHING!
Two of the most brilliant and intellectually honest scientists living in our time! We are privileged to be able to witness their work and thought process in action!
@@sergehychko3659you’re more of an expert on synthetic organic chemistry than James Tour?. . .just tell us you’re trolling bruh
“Time of the gaps” excellent point. Classic atheist game.
Explain this supposed game of mine.
Job 38:4. Man thinks he so smart, but in reality we don't really know much at all. Thank your Lord for this amazing world you have given us!
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But you don’t know that .
Why is it that we can accept when an intelligent (yet flawed) human being tries to recreate life, but we can't accept that something more intelligent than human beings created all living matter (including human beings)?
It doesn't take a brilliant mind to be able to figure out that anything that is intelligently designed must have an intelligent DESIGNER.
@@mlen7149 Those who don't believe in an intelligent creator, will tell you their brain also was not intelligently created. Ask them and they will tell you their brain evolved from a mindless, guideless random process, and yet they want us to trust their rational.
@@Loading....99.99 Mindless, yes. Guideless, no.
Evolution isn't random. It trends towards survivability and anything that therefor supports survivability.
Knowing what is true/accurate and what is not tends to be a really really really good survival factor.
So yes, evolution directs us to the ability to recognize the world around us and how it works.
Acting in accordance to the way the world works is what we call rational as logic is based off the real world.
@@aidanya1336but where's the guide if evolution is not guideless? I mean why does it trend toward survivability and how does evolution know to do so?
@@aidanya1336sounds like evolution is an intelligent designer...
Because they want to be God. And not humble themselves, it’s very prevalent among elites, the pride overcomes.. think about it, if you’re considered an expert at something and you’ve already seen the peak, most people at that level wouldn’t want to give their glory up to something higher, they want to be selfish and act as if they did it all by themselves or else their whole life would be a joke if they didn’t, In their premature minds of course. Power can pervert one self. The funniest thing is that in comparison, they’re nothing but a mere sandball (including my self) to the lights of God yet he allows the sandball to continue living, loving God for sure.
As a child, I already got a feel for the concept of "eternity". I was forced to listen to the priests' sermons on Sundays. Later, the concept came up again in mathematics in the concept of "infinite number".
Humans, like animals, have the ability to understand and interact. Most of the time, arguing about the existence of a concept is secondary. It is more important to think together about what they are used for, what their common purpose is.
Like religion.
Great video, love your summary at the end. Cheers, from Switzerland.
@@mutantthegreat7963 Thank you 🙏🏾
Shalom.
It has never been about evidence, but it is a matter of the heart.
Thank you brother.
“Everything degrades over time” yeah everything except McDonald’s 😂
Great video bro, thanks and God bless you 🙌🏼♥️✝️♥️🙌🏼
Thank you!
You’re welcome!
Excellent video.
@@noneyabidness9644 Amen 🙏🏾
16:07-16:45 AMEN!!! So TRUE!
Great!
Oh damn! You just affirmed and refuted my propensity for procrastination! The time is NOW, people, to come to Chr!st! The day of the L0rd is NEAR!!!
Praise His holy name, Brother!
I'd like to hear a more detailed account of exactly how the intelligent designer designed life, rather than just how it couldn't have been through purely natural processes.
Read Genesis Chapter 1!! He spoke the Universe into existence. If you want "details" of what He did, how long it took, etc. read Meyer, Hugh Ross, John Lennox. James Tour and/or watch their TH-cam videos.
@@jaybennett236 I want a step by step explanation of how 'he' did it like you might have with the plans and then the actual construction which we know were done by humans. The bible is too vague and will only be believed by those want to believe. For IDers it is simply a case of 'It's too complex, therefore design' with no detailed explanation of how because they can't. And there is no explanation of how a mind can exist outside of a body
@@declanchandler9371
No-one knows. Just as you can't explain the process whereby organic life came out of non living inanimate materials as a result of random unguided processes. What we do know is that scientists who are working on abiogenesis, are brilliant minds, guiding and manipulating the process, so if one day they do achieve the results they want, they've shown that to do it needed intelligent intervention, or design
anyone have a link to the full video?
@@bienfdy420 check description.
Hallelujah!!!
Enough time? But still no mechanism! Apart from Tour's apt remarks, time offers no escape because it has no mechanism in itself. We need to see a mechanism.
But Darwinist selectionism is arid on this point, and can tell us nothing. The reason is Darwinist selectionism is so bad it is not even wrong. But that I mean, it completely misses the point of the inbuilt variability of organisms, rarely at the 'species' level, but more typically at the genus level, if not the family level in some cases.
All 'natural selection' could do is cull out the comparatively less able to survive in the circumstances; and often the culling occurs by accident. So it's circumstantial ecological culling that occurs. In that case the 'lucky mutation' (chemical or biological) could easily get stepped by an elephant, ending its possibilities.
I think you should look again at what the theory of evolution actually is.
It kind of bugs me a bit with the focus on atheist because they are easy targets for loving Christian's who tend to mock them(snark intended). Many people who don't subscribe to religion do consider that the universe is created and particularly designed. They just don't think religion provides the answers as it is a human construct in their minds.
"By the book" have you given up all your belongings?
Yes
I'm gonna put this simply said so everyone in the last couple of generations should understand... So bear with me until the end.
Everyone has heard of the "The Miracle on the Hudson River" where a pilot (nicknamed Sully) landed a large commercial plane on the Hudson River (after losing power in both engines). When results of computer simulators were used to test the theory if Sully could have made it back to the nearest airport safely, was brought up during the investigation of the crash. The simulators showed they could have made it to an airport... "Sully" asked "how many times did it take for that computer/simulator to make it to either of the closest airports without crashing?"...they answered "only 7 out of 13 made it safely back to La Guardia, and 1 out of 2 made it safely back to Teterboro". Sully had ONE chance. NOW, Even though God can do anything all the time... The moral of the story is, it takes intelligence not just computers to fly an airplane... So why would ANYONE think "A Cell" could BECOME something from nothing and then over "A few 100 billions years or so", that same " Cell" divided and then developed into EVERYTHING AND SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING in our universe? That's why I believe in "GOD/The only Intelligent designer"
17:00-17:42 God's handy work is in EVERYTHING!
Here is further evidence of a creator- Amazing brain- the pinnacle of creation- th-cam.com/video/-EqwonzkNgg/w-d-xo.html
"Proverb 3:1-5"
"1 Let love and faithfulness never leave you; 2 bind them around your neck, 3 write them on the tablet of your heart. 4 Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
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Judges 18:13--"And THE ANGEL WHO IS THE LORD said to him, 'Why do you ask MY NAME, seeing IT IS WONDERFUL!?!'"
Judges 18:13?
Science advances one death at a time!
Here’s a short list of fallacies that can be identified in the video:
Appeal to Authority: The argument relies heavily on the credentials of Dr. Meyer and Dr. Tour without addressing the scientific consensus or evidence surrounding the origin of life. Just because someone is qualified does not mean their views are correct.
Ad Hominem: The argument dismisses critics of Meyer and Tour by implying that those who disagree are simply being "intellectually dishonest," rather than addressing their arguments directly.
Straw Man: The argument misrepresents the position of scientists who accept evolutionary theory by suggesting they believe life can form by chance without any evidence, ignoring the complexities and nuances of the scientific discussions.
False Dichotomy: The speaker presents the situation as if there are only two choices: either life was created by God or it formed by chance, ignoring the possibility of alternative explanations, such as natural processes that are still being researched.
Begging the Question: The claim that “time is your enemy” assumes that time cannot produce complex life without providing substantial evidence to support this assertion, effectively circular reasoning.
Slippery Slope: The argument implies that reliance on time will lead to the ultimate failure of scientists to explain the origin of life, suggesting a dire consequence without solid justification.
Red Herring: The mention of "time is your enemy" distracts from the main topic of the origin of life by focusing on a critique of scientific methodologies instead of engaging with the actual scientific evidence and theories.
Overgeneralization: Statements like "the more scientists learn about the problem of the origin of life, the further away they get from the solution" make broad claims that do not accurately reflect the state of scientific research in the field.
These fallacies weaken the argument's credibility and demonstrate a lack of engagement with the scientific evidence regarding the origin of life.
Wasn’t aware this was a formal debate.
@Drifter4ever glad you did that. Tempted but on my phone and that needed a keyboard. (Well, for me anyway)
1000s of peer reviewed articles****
One subject I don’t think anyone has brought up is what a nice shirt that is you are wearing. Everyoneç knows in their heart God exists, which is why so called unbelievers are so quick to anger.
That is simply FALSE. I certainly do not know any particular god to exist in reality. So, you are either grossly mistaken or deliberately lying. Which is it?
Tour has alot of patience, that guy kept cutting him off..
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What's amazing is what he said at 5:35 is exactly what we're saying God is and God does it was an intelligent intervention to create human life on Earth, similarly he is saying that the scientists can only create life when they intelligently intervene for simulation purposes
Jesus said blessed are they who have not seen yet believe.
If theres a god hed be better than the one in the bible...if not we are all effed...the bible is far too evil and illogical to be from the real god if there is one
Because it stands to logic and reason that a celestial wizard shook the universe out of his sleeve
@walterdaems57. Wow. Your comment actually got a laugh from me! But it wasn't a great comedic feat. Nah, it was funny for a different reason. The reason is , you and your evolutionistic proponents ridicule the supernatural but _____YOU need it for evolution to be true. Let's sum this up: The famous, prevailing primordial soup theory claims that life started within that particular aqueous substance. Well that good old soup had to have MADE itself exist. Or it MUST be eternal. Eternal soup or such a soup willing itself into existence ____nah , nothing supernatural there,huh? Pure comedy, I'll say.
@@GregoryHolden-k5c Nooo! All the scientific theories are crap and bull, everybody knows that! No, no, it’s a celestial wizard who shook the universe out of his sleeve. It’s the most plausible and most documented fact of all times.
Yeah…because it stands to logic and reason that non extant goddesses-Lady Luck, Sister Chance and Mama Nature-got together to make a baby cell god that created everything else. Plus your primordial soup is mythology itself on 2 levels: ANE Babylonian myth and modern Evolutionism pseudoscience pseudoreligion myth of origins.
Whenever believers said there is proof of god, you know it is time to skip the nonsense
TIME was the 1st & it'll be the last of God's stepping out of eternity. Sing/enjoy: Twilight Time- Seems like old Times at Chris Phally channel on TH-cam & 💯 more of inspired piano 🎹 music 🎶.😊 Thanks for this wonderful post!
The heavens declare the glory of God! Life requires intelligence.
Still sweet F A evidence for god then. You’ve had 2000 years, and still nothing.
Excellent stuff. Thanks. So the analogy of the monkey with a typewriter given infinite time - would come up EVENTUALLY with Shakespeare doesn’t hold in biological systems because time isn’t neutral it is destructive to the stability of intermediary organic molecules, which are needed for later interactions.
"Yes yes all my calculations and hypothesis work if you just take out the law of entropy"
Lmfao
The Bible tells us clearly where we came from. Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
I will tell you clearly that this fictional account in the Book of Genesis is a joke and that man was not created by this mythological deity. See how that works?
This alone has all the red flags of a total scam and BS story.... If god truly sits outside of time, space, matter and is all knowing and all powerful than men is absolutely nothing like him/her/it! The other way around would be awfully logical though: men made up a god to be just like them so everyone would be able to identify.. Seriously, it not even remotely compelling or convincing. Pure fiction.
Stephen Meyer and and James Tour , always telling us what they assume can’t happen , but never tell us what can happen.
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Still waiting for an intelligent design advocate , to provide a mechanism for creation
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To prove anything beyond reasonable doubt, you need to provide a mechanism , so please provide a mechanism for anything God has created,
Anything at all …. The usual stuff, Dog, cat, horse, tree , universe. ?
But the materialists don't have a mechanism either, so you're demanding something that we don't have the data for yet. Their point is made regardless of this issue, so you're merely deflecting.
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That’s because we don’t know, there are lots of mechanisms , we have strong evidence, the best evidence we have is not god did it .
@@Obeytheroadrules Rubbish. Suppose we go with the currently most popular mechanism, RNA world. Even if demonstrated, this says nothing about whether or not God created the world so that it would happen. The only 'evidence' you have against God is your a priori assumption that he does not exist. (A priori assumptions are non -scientific, in case you don't know.)
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I’m only going with what the science says , science doesn’t say god did . Tour and Myers have a vested interest , they are forever trying to to push their religion, they pretend they are not but we both know that’s not true
@@grantbartley483
The NASA definition for life on Earth is…….
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Life is a self sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.
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Unless of course, YOU are right and NASA is wrong 🤔
It still didnt make me believe in a diety or abrihamic religions..
According to the book of Kings in the Bible it can be proven that Jaweh exists and is the one true god. The evangelist Elijah showed you how to do it. Do that.
According to me this one true god is simply imaginary.
I am very very clever and I have many qualifications.
So you need to trust my opinions about things we don't know.
And you should buy my book about Jesus. You're gonna love it !
You are just an uneducated snake oil salesman. List you many qualification and college degrees, if you have any. What is the name of your book? What is your name?
My brother in Christ, I hope you realize that Stephen Meyer is not a very good representative of the Kingdom of God.
Are you saying this because he believes in an old earth?
He's doing more than most to proclaim a risen Jesus. That's pretty good if you ask me.
Yes he is, but you're not, obviously.
@@johnhitz1185 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:15-20
@@paulthompson9668 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward."
Mark 9:39-41
The fruits of James Tour and Stephen Meyer have been greatly increased faith among Christians and many new souls won to Christ.
Now consider who has taught you that you would accuse a brother like this.
Meyer isn't a scientist at all. Tour is a good chemist though.
We don't know now and almost certainly never will know how life began on earth. It wasn't Adam and Eve, nor was it in the primordial soup.
The most plausible reason is an intelligent mind was behind it.
any evidence for your claims?
Define 'scientist' such that Meyer isn't one, then.
@@kyriacostheofanous1445something cannot come from nothing
@@Dee0336 I have no problem with you believing that as theology.
here's the difference, your using this video to smuggle in your pre conceived religious God which has zero evidence, for something beyond our current understanding. your bronze age mindset is based on one of two things or both.
1. I don't know how therfore a God
2 an old book says a thing which has no specific break through in understanding the universe.
I don't claim there is or isn't a God. I simply don't know, and because I don't know, im not going to fill in that gap and conclude a God based on my ignorance
@@ronsampsons5thchannel711 The “God of the gaps” argument is such a good red herring. Just address the science in the video! Disprove what they are saying!
@ByTheBookMinistries and it will prove what exactly, the biblical God? the Islamic God? the Hindu God?
Amen!
For what you're saying at the end that's the whole reason they're trying to create transhumanism in cyborgs, they're trying to escape judgement and send another way.
Genesis 3:22
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Life is not natural in a universe that is not alive
I never thought about it that way. Good point.
Snow is not natural in a universe that is not snow.
because you cant understand it doesnt mean its whatever god magic but im going to throw my hat and say this: the problem its not about if god exist or not, wise people know that the universe its not game competition to know whos right, the science or the religious, imagine you merge all people in the world in a single person and IT looks into a mirror... like someone said "if you gaze into an abyss the abyss will gaze at you", time may look like our enemy but its not, you die in 80 years but people are born every day wich will live another 80 years, and those people will carry over the information you discovered to the next generation until WE BECAME GOD ITSELF, thats right, we are "god", whatever it means divine, universe, elohim, conciusness, because we can think and put into words, that means we can create universes, we are universe and the universe will create man again to the infinity
Suuurrrrreeeee.
@@ByTheBookMinistries :) , just think about it, 12000 or more years ago humans discovered fire, did we stop there? a couple years ago we created AI, does it look that we will stop there? what will be the final stop? to me is either we destroy ourselves or we became "god", im not a religious person, but even Psalm 82:6 says the same, look at video games, histories, movies, why do we like to create fantasy and try to bring it into reality? humans in air? check, humans in space? check, theres no stoping point imagine 10000 years in the future, now in reverse, do we look that we were created? yes, by who?, god? who is god? a inteligent human just like us? Genesis 1:27 "god created man as his image", again im not a religious person
@@ByTheBookMinistries just think about it, 12000 or more years ago humans discovered fire, did we stop there? a couple years ago we created AI, does it look that we will stop there? what will be the final stop? to me is either we destroy ourselves or we became "god", im not a religious person, but even Psalm 82:6 says the same, look at video games, histories, movies, why do we like to create fantasy and try to bring it into reality? humans in air? check, humans in space? check, theres no stoping point imagine 10000 years in the future, now in reverse, do we look that we were created? yes, by who?, god? who is god? a inteligent human just like us? Genesis 1:27 "god created man as his image", again im not a religious person
Nanotech and graphene oxide are no good. Inherently anti-human technology. I love brother Tour, but he's involved in the research of the tech that will bring about digital slavery.
Actual proof is something that cannot be proved false or denied by believers or non believers. This comment is about as close to that as: "The first man to cycle to Mars eating only his shoes." Tell me how can you say you've proved your god exists using proof your own PhD won't declare fact?
God is undectabl to science. By reasoning who God is. He's in another realm. The man does not tell make the rules how to find God . Lol that's not God at all . That's called stupid . If God is real. He is above .mans way s.
@@MichaelQuintana-z2r Sorry the only thing that's stupid is talking about something no one will ever prove exists as if it is real. But hey an nice set of unsustainable falsehoods for you to pretend are real. By the way, perhaps you should read the Commandments and consider the risk if stating something as fact only your god could know. (Link it with not taking the name of your lord in vein.)
@@Lightbearer616 you can never prove He is not real. I told you . Your rules don't apply to God. That's still stupid else He isn't God . His ways apply to man . That's why He is God not vice versa
@@Lightbearer616you can't prove He doesn't exist.
@@Lightbearer616 do one thing right man.. prove to me the resurrection never happened. Else your jjust blowing smoke.stopp spinning your wheels cause they didn't go anywhere.
PRAISE YAH
This guy seriously needs to grow up and stop dropping F BOMs. To have Kratos as a mindless bloodthirsty beast all the time shows no character development
I laugh at these jokers who spend all their time trying to prove science wrong I can only think they do it because they know it is a waste of time trying to prove their religion right.
Ultimately, belief in Christ requires faith. Scientific research, discoveries, facts, and evidence testifies/declares of God’s existence. Romans 1:20, Hebrews 11:3, Psalm 19:1
Your talking nonsense what you need to do is prove god exists instead of messing around trying to prove science is wrong. These jokers get away with what they do because they are using TH-cam to spin their stories to none experts and they make it sound convincing. But don't get published in mainstream science journals because what they are saying is not science which is why they stick to religious journals.
1 John 4:12, Exodus 33:11
LOL, LOL, LOL. Stephen and James are not scientists. Why? Because they don't know or refuse to know how science works.
Those two clowns were debunked countless times, and this is not hard to do, if you want to do it. I could spend days talking about their faults.
The only think they do is say: "I cannot explain this hence ... god or intelligent aliens"
Oh yeah let’s everyone believe Nathillien 😂
So, lots of self-adulating hot-air; no substance...much like Darwin, in fact.
@Drifter4everTour & CO is way out of their own area here. Why do you think they dont make real science and publish sany scientific articles? because they know they would be massacered by the peer-review.
instead they preach (!) to the you tube concregation.
If you think Steven Meyer has any clue about anything, look up Dover v kitsmiller in which he got completely and utterly destroyed in a court of law. With a conservative, Rick santorum appointed judge .
He ended up having to admit that under his version of what science should be witchcraft and astrology would have to be considered valid scientific theories.
@@matswessling6600JT is an organic chemist of world renown.
What discipline is the most important in OOL research? Hint: organic chemistry.
Did you forget to include the part of your nonsense when you "debunk" atheism.
Strong atheism is untenable.
Agnostic atheism is a belief statement just as theism.
When compared, the evidence favors theism. Christianity is the most supported form of theism.
Not the same as a debunk, but a good justification for christian beliefs.
@jon__doe Are you willing to answer some straightforward questions concerning your comment?
Nope.
EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS; NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN FACTS. NO ONE knows the extent and/or limitations of nature OR god. No one has true knowledge or access to a supreme being, or history would read vastly differently than it does.
Even Nobel prize-winning scientists admit they do not know physical reality's epistemic basis or limitations. J. B. S. Haldane said that "The universe is not only queerer than we suppose but queerer than we CAN suppose."
The solution to the issue of the reality or non-reality of God is not philosophical or even theological. The solution is found in the history of the change of Jew's polytheistic belief system to a monotheistic belief system and how that led to even the average reader and believer being able to see that Yahweh is a man-made god by using common sense. This discovery was triggered for me by a Christian bullshit lie by Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham. It is also a claim I have heard many Christian authorities repeat. It is a lie intended to conceal the Jews's polytheistic origins and the FABRICATION OF YAHWEH as the Judeo-Christian God.
When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they were physically and culturally transported from the “sticks” to the most sophisticated city, culture, and mythology in the world at that time. They found themselves in a culturally enriched environment; some became wealthy, and the religiously tolerant Mesopotamians did not discriminate against them for their beliefs. Overall, they prospered, and later, when Cyrus the Great gave the Jews permission to return to Isreal, most refused to return.
The Jewish clergy, who did return, influenced by Mesopotamian mythology, which they greatly admired, decided to imitate various elements of “The Epic of Gilgamesh” and the monotheistic, dualistic religion Joroasterism by changing the Jewish belief system from polytheistic to monotheistic. They did this by demoting El (i.e., Elohim) and Baal, eliminating the three Goddess Consorts, and PROMOTING YAHWEH TO SUPREME BEING.
The problem is that when men, i.e., the clergy, make life, death, and career decisions for Gods, those gods are not Gods; they are puppets and mere mouthpieces for the clergy. A true God would be non-contingent, i.e., dependent only on himself for his existence. That’s the ONLY WAY a god could be supernatural. Yet the lying, conniving clergy wrote, “And God said…..”
But since Yahweh is man-made, he is a concept only and can not speak or appear. No earthly gods are supernatural because they all have a common origin-Man. Yahweh is man-contingent, not non-contingent!
The Jewish Clergy plagiarized the myths in Genesis, i.e., the Garden of Eden, the Tower of Babel, Noah's flood, men living to a great age, e.g., 65,000 years, even the Seven Days of Creation, and the trope of the Snake, Magical plant, and Eternal Life. The Mesopotamians gave the week seven days because they revered seven heavenly bodies, literally: the Sun, Mercury, and Venus. They didn't see Earth as a heavenly body, so they continued with the Moon, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Some cultures use that exact same system, e.g., France. In our culture, we have named four days after Scandinavian gods, like the god Thor, for Thursday. However, we still have three contiguous days named after the Mesopotamian system: Saturnday, Sunday and Moonday.
Mesopotamians counted by twelves and sixties, which is how we tell time. They had elements of calculus and trigonometry and what is still considered an advanced form of agriculture-irrigated multi-cropping. They could compute area and volume and predict eclipses. The Bible calls them the Magi, e.g., the three Wise Men. Magi is the origin of “magic,” which I define as “the manipulation of matter through unseen forces.” As has been observed, any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic to less advanced people.
Many other nations and cultures ripped the brilliant people of Mesopotamia off without attribution, but the wicked clergy claimed the plagiarized material was both history and "God's word."
The clergy's principal talents are lies, fraud, extortion, forgery, fabrication, and promoting fake relics, which must be concealed and never admitted to, or the con game won't work. The clergy will NEVER tell you the truth; their livelihood depends on it. Even ex-clergy won’t tell you, preferring to articulate other reasons for leaving the “faith,” e.g., ignorance of the grift, loss of “faith” over epistemic issues, etc, rather than admitting participation in a con game.
The Christian clergy has been lying to believers for 2,000 years. Their lies, their promotion of Yahweh, the man-made god, and their writing and control of their fictive, clergy-controlled, historically inaccurate, scientifically illiterate Bible provide the false pretenses under which the clergy defraud and extort their believers.
The clergy violates the 9th Commandment daily because they have something to hide - the fact that Christianity is a con game.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamian_mythology
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Yawn!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_C._Meyer
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Yawn! You didn’t address their arguments… 🥱