Thanks to Pete Pardo for suggesting this on Sea Of Tranquility ! Must have recommended earlier than today as I have listened to this once already … Love it !
Greetings from Italy! I was the bass player for this album - really glad folk still like the music! Rehearsed/recorded in late 1993/early 1994. Good times. And great to see yer still going Rick! Ally (ye guitarist) headed off to Australia c.1995 - last I heard of him he was still there, playing in a few covers/high-end function bands, but it's been a while...lost contact with Nick the drummer a long time ago, sadly. Last time I saw him was after an early Darkness gig in Edinburgh. Cyrus & Stewart made a couple more albums as Citizen Cain, then as other folk have noted, Stewart's been doing his solo stuff - he's got a channel here on TH-cam (but then haven't we all? :-) )
Honored for your comment. Although it may seem strange. I consider this record the best in the history of rock. I have all the Citizen Cain discography, the Stewart Bell solo albums and I look forward to the Cyrus solo album. Thanks to all of you for writing and playing the best prog I've ever heard.
@@lykewake1 Wow...blimey! Well, my most sincere and humble thanks for that. It was a fantastic time...and I didn't know Cyrus had a solo album on the go. That should be interesting..! Thanks again - and thank you for being passionate about music! Cheers, Andy
I missed the band first time round, but have recently bought all the albums and am waiting for Stewart's solo CD's to arrive. I love the instrumentation on the earlier albums - so Lamb Lies Down, with a heavier guitar. I'm addicted to Serpents in Camouflage and have it playing non-stop in my car - an absolute killer. So glad I found the band - better late than never!
tremendous and complex composition, prog. music on the frontier, this kind of music grows on you .wonder why such fantastic music is not produced these days except from likes of Steven Wilson .
I think the Citizen Cain have produced the best prog music of our time, after the period of the 70 and 80. Unfortunately, they remain almost unknown. Complex songs and great compositional skills and techniques. All their records are key to the modern history of prog.
Personally I prefer the second album but also the first is beautiful. All albums of their discography are perfect examples of how it should be the neo prog. Also solo album by Stuart Bell continues the beautiful but unknown story of Citizen Cain.
Sure at the time of the recording of Somewhere but yesterday , was living at splitlevel studio ,near Edinburgh airport ,stu did not seem like the driving entirety, thought at the time it was the singer flute man , cyrus as he went by , live and learn steve have many after , great key board ,sequencer ..
This track and others from the album,CD , were recorded at splitlevel studios in ingleston outside of Edinburgh 1995 ish ,studio engineer was Neil Mcnaught .
Hi bro the band never recorded after this epic album , think sirus was the voice , though the keyboard player was the brain of that ,and went onto make further songs ,stewart Bell .. @@lykewake1
Correct mate you are , was probably the writer of this album,musicaly, sirus was nidrie based , poor lad had a great voice , sorry that is were he will be after lagging sales of that album , lived at the studio at the time , thought I was witnessing stardom , sad it was not to be , and then there is stu????
@@popatyourecords ,andy who stayed in the caravan, he did after me, after this was recorded at split level by the hippy ,no think andy had a part in this, the guitar was played by a lad who played at jimmy pages funeral, been 20 odd years forget his name,sure thought andy played bass anyway, then little do I know ,sorry for wasting your time then bro.
Somewhere But Yesterday (i) - Beyond The Boundaries Watch all those feelings like arrows Fired from the cover of trees All along your road You have just one life Asshole take it if you like But be sure you know the way (ii) Owls Has the winter come and gone Does the light shine through Is the harvest ripe my dear And may I lie with you Two fine children blessed by you The love goes on and on Hold my hand forever We are witches on the run I knew you once before so long ago Can you remember when The slaughtered deer and castle walls And we threw them down and then So when you see a thousand horses In the sky above your head You’ll know my love forever We are witches on the run We’re on the run (iii) Obsessions We are not lost but found Oh and we walk on solid ground We cannot lose your way No difference anyway Saul’s on the seashore Ashore beats the waves Summon me another miracle What is it all for Judas comes instead Christ hurries home to get nailed again Someone speared my side Amalek’s on the harbour trying to get in His dream’s to conquer twilight And carry off with him All the treasures Who I am what’s within This time you’ll let me in The door is open Your witches on the pyre Carry off to Deborah The longing she desires Amalek’s brought an army A host that follow him The children of Moab, Ammonites and him We come to question who you are What’s within This time you’ll let me in The door is open And once again denied You shall not use the magic For all that you desire The door is open Each one to his tribe Upon the fields of Ajalon A hundred thousand fires If you come towards me Be prepared to die We claim the sepulchre The water and the night Your witches advancing She has danced upon your pyre For all that she desires The door is open And now they spread inside We warned you of our magic And all that we desire The door is open But once again denied We know who lives forever We know who shall not die We are not lost but found Oh and we walk on solid ground We cannot lose your way No difference anyway Saul’s on the seashore Ashore beats the waves Summon me that other miracle What is it all for Judas comes instead Christ hurry home and get saved again Saved again tonight We love you Can you see those thousand horses Following you Where are the children Where are their mothers Have their fathers killed them too (iv) The Ballad Of Creepy John I wish I was a garden wall Covered by some friendly moss Happy with the spider John creepy crawl Living on a high rise boundary stone Seven little sorcerers Nailed to the garden wall All guests of Shalmanessar Each one of them have lost their balls Now their blood is flowing so easily That country estate’s a must When living off a poor man’s crust Jolly good Now they’ve pulled down my garden wall Feeding off my friend for blood Now they’re pulling off the legs of creepy John Fucking up my high rise boundary stone Oh mother where are you right now Do you think I’m beautiful Oh father late as usual And you know that’ll never do Three thousand years have gone Yet nothing’s really changed He’s Rameses he’s Herod Their mask is still the same Each one is screwing Marion Yet Robin gets the blame And somewhere in the world A soul is dying And somewhere in his world A soul is dying And somewhere in the soul A world is spiralling down Oh brother am I your Abel In a field to be struck down Oh father I know you’re able As the blood seeps in the ground Cold steel can mesmerise Those living inside the plane And you can bet your life There’s a fool inside And he doesn’t give a fuck Who’s to blame His castle’s on the hillside Filled with caviar siege champagne As he chops your head With the carving knife And feeding you on poisoned brains So the tide brought you home again Upon the whispers on the breeze Now we are members of oblivion That mask again The face he cannot change The soul this far contaminated “What is contaminated” “Everything” (v) Echoes - The Labyrinth Penumbra We climbed up the fast way Leading to heaven Pulled down by the fast lane Leading to heaven When something said stop It’s time to give up Ask yourself how you feel Well so how do you feel When the night draws near You’ve placed us so far So far away You’ve placed us so far With your sin For all that you are The wind turns cold For all that you are Your wind turns cold It’s in your eyes In your breath To some foolish man To some foolish plan (Out of the water The witch is exposed Driving on and on To where she don’t know And the fire in her eyes Said it cannot be far The moon’s full of sadness And knows it’s quite dark The corridor’s still open my friend Can you not free me From all of my pain The wind is still blowing The dust from my name I’m missing you I’m missing you At the moment I sit By a cool temple shade Refreshing the torment In every page And the destiny you are Is your life) How do you feel Right now When the night draws near How do you feel When rocket ships Are landing in your ocean That number on your head Won’t get you far In fact you won’t be leaving You won’t be leaving No not at all The prophet calls the feast and cries I know who you are Those children of Adam You cannot come far The light that shines within you Will soon become dark As the angels lost their beauty Or just who they are So we call you (vi) All The Sin’s Men Our Father art in heaven Hallowed be thy shame Thy kingdom is coming On the back of a beast again Coming sooner now But it’s overun And they’re spreading their whores together Thy will will be done Spreading their wars forever Thy will is overun Spreading those whores together Thy little will’s well hung Don’t ask me why I’m better off that way I wanna lie with the witches They can take my breath away Witches I’m still on the run Another Creepy John about to fall The remnants of a host That came knocking at your door Screaming out their vengeance Apocolyptic creed Accusing you the witness Of another sinful deed And off they go to heaven The master’s still delayed Maybe he’s at Butlins Maybe it’s that seventh day Don’t ask me why I’m better off that way I wanna lie with the witches They can take my breath away Witches now I’m on the run They don’t know that God’s reflection Deep inside is just reflecting you (vii) Farewell Now Florence Nightengale Has shined her light on you She has horses and a carriage clock To amputate the few Not me not me You saw the death of Joan of Arc There’s nothing she could do With no horses or carriage clock It’s to those flames for you Not me not me So steal another life again And build yourself anew No future for my children Destroyed by men like you Inside you like a vision To crush those poorer men And live like kings forever Inside their chosen pens Where are you Creepy John I’m off to find those legs I lost Shalmanessar’s guests all gone Sold by Robin every one Tearing down your garden wall Humpty Dumpty has to fall And no king’s horses no king’s men Could put our Humpty back again So I will see you Just for a moment The TV just fades Give me the shroud Watch the stars go away With the witches on the run After all Inside With you The witches on the run again A Word In Your Ear Pat a cake, pat a cake, fake a man Crush his bones as hard as you can Ground them down with acid and steel Prepare the table for a sumptuous meal Gather the host whose lust for blood Gave Vlad the Impaler the right, the must To maim and kill in terrible ways Impaled by stakes like galleries He hung white flesh on crimson trunk The crow did watch the wolf he slunk And nailed their hats on pompus heads The blood the man became obsessed And handed down to those on high The lust for blood and tyrannise You, your children, your wife, your friend To do to you as he did then
True, that this resembles Gabriel-era Genesis, but in my opinion that's not so sad, since I don't remember too many other later bands that have followed this path as skillfully as this band does. And there are far more those newer proggers that could be accused as imitating old Pink Floyd, Camel etc. In my list early Citizen Cain represents the better part of the neo-prog of the 90's together with for example the Swiss Clepsydra.
The vocals are too Peter Gabrielish for me. Obviously a very talented band, but they ought to get another singer, or at least tell the guy on this recording to get his own vocal style
It is true that the two voices are similar but that kind of voice is more suited to that kind of music; moreover, in my opinion, Cyrus is superior to Gabriel as lead singer. Finally, Cyrus, with keyboardist Stewart Bell, are the authors of the music and lyrics and Citizen Cain could not exist without Cyrus.
But some times ago Stewart Bell made his own project with Simone Rossetti from "The Watch" band (which voice is more "Peter Gabrielish") and with Arjen Anthony Lucassen from Ayreon. But not with Cyrus.
I have both cds of the new Stewart Bell project; the singer is no longer Cyrus and in fact the sound is different from that of Citizen Cain, although the main voice on both albums is that of Simone Rossetti, which is really much like Peter Gabriel's voice.
Read of this in the progressive underground, which gave it high marks. I agree- great stuff!
They're a great new prog band; unfortunately undervalued.
WOW they keep coming & I keep listening another just set back& enjoy the ride album yes🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍
Thanks to Pete Pardo for suggesting this on Sea Of Tranquility ! Must have recommended earlier than today as I have listened to this once already … Love it !
Greetings from Italy!
I was the bass player for this album - really glad folk still like the music!
Rehearsed/recorded in late 1993/early 1994. Good times. And great to see yer still going Rick!
Ally (ye guitarist) headed off to Australia c.1995 - last I heard of him he was still there, playing in a few covers/high-end function bands, but it's been a while...lost contact with Nick the drummer a long time ago, sadly. Last time I saw him was after an early Darkness gig in Edinburgh.
Cyrus & Stewart made a couple more albums as Citizen Cain, then as other folk have noted, Stewart's been doing his solo stuff - he's got a channel here on TH-cam (but then haven't we all? :-) )
Honored for your comment.
Although it may seem strange. I consider this record the best in the history of rock.
I have all the Citizen Cain discography, the Stewart Bell solo albums and I look forward to the Cyrus solo album.
Thanks to all of you for writing and playing the best prog I've ever heard.
@@lykewake1 Wow...blimey! Well, my most sincere and humble thanks for that.
It was a fantastic time...and I didn't know Cyrus had a solo album on the go. That should be interesting..!
Thanks again - and thank you for being passionate about music!
Cheers,
Andy
Looks and stolen from Genesis!!!!! not good!!!!!!
I missed the band first time round, but have recently bought all the albums and am waiting for Stewart's solo CD's to arrive.
I love the instrumentation on the earlier albums - so Lamb Lies Down, with a heavier guitar. I'm addicted to Serpents in Camouflage and have it playing non-stop in my car - an absolute killer. So glad I found the band - better late than never!
Jos Buysman You should listen to and watch this "neo Genesis" m.th-cam.com/video/oxmb5_NmKlg/w-d-xo.html
tremendous and complex composition, prog. music on the frontier, this kind of music grows on you .wonder why such fantastic music is not produced these days except from likes of Steven Wilson .
I think the Citizen Cain have produced the best prog music of our time, after the period of the 70 and 80. Unfortunately, they remain almost unknown. Complex songs and great compositional skills and techniques. All their records are key to the modern history of prog.
+lykewake1 The 1st album is better. This one is less electrified...and modern.
Personally I prefer the second album but also the first is beautiful. All albums of their discography are perfect examples of how it should be the neo prog. Also solo album by Stuart Bell continues the beautiful but unknown story of Citizen Cain.
Stewart Bell is recording a second album, a follow up to The Anti Chamber of Being.
Sure at the time of the recording of Somewhere but yesterday , was living at splitlevel studio ,near Edinburgh airport ,stu did not seem like the driving entirety, thought at the time it was the singer flute man , cyrus as he went by , live and learn steve have many after , great key board ,sequencer ..
This track and others from the album,CD , were recorded at splitlevel studios in ingleston outside of Edinburgh 1995 ish ,studio engineer was Neil Mcnaught .
Thanks for the information. A great job has been done
Hi bro the band never recorded after this epic album , think sirus was the voice , though the keyboard player was the brain of that ,and went onto make further songs ,stewart Bell ..
@@lykewake1
Correct mate you are , was probably the writer of this album,musicaly, sirus was nidrie based , poor lad had a great voice , sorry that is were he will be after lagging sales of that album , lived at the studio at the time , thought I was witnessing stardom , sad it was not to be , and then there is stu????
@@lykewake1 i know i think the guy Andy who stayed in the caravan did some guitar for them im sure yes and it was Niel the hippie
@@popatyourecords ,andy who stayed in the caravan, he did after me, after this was recorded at split level by the hippy ,no think andy had a part in this, the guitar was played by a lad who played at jimmy pages funeral, been 20 odd years forget his name,sure thought andy played bass anyway, then little do I know ,sorry for wasting your time then bro.
Somewhere But Yesterday
(i) - Beyond The Boundaries
Watch all those feelings like arrows
Fired from the cover of trees
All along your road
You have just one life
Asshole take it if you like
But be sure you know the way
(ii) Owls
Has the winter come and gone
Does the light shine through
Is the harvest ripe my dear
And may I lie with you
Two fine children blessed by you
The love goes on and on
Hold my hand forever
We are witches on the run
I knew you once before so long ago
Can you remember when
The slaughtered deer and castle walls
And we threw them down and then
So when you see a thousand horses
In the sky above your head
You’ll know my love forever
We are witches on the run
We’re on the run
(iii) Obsessions
We are not lost but found
Oh and we walk on solid ground
We cannot lose your way
No difference anyway
Saul’s on the seashore
Ashore beats the waves
Summon me another miracle
What is it all for
Judas comes instead
Christ hurries home to get nailed again
Someone speared my side
Amalek’s on the harbour trying to get in
His dream’s to conquer twilight
And carry off with him
All the treasures
Who I am what’s within
This time you’ll let me in
The door is open
Your witches on the pyre
Carry off to Deborah
The longing she desires
Amalek’s brought an army
A host that follow him
The children of Moab, Ammonites and him
We come to question who you are
What’s within
This time you’ll let me in
The door is open
And once again denied
You shall not use the magic
For all that you desire
The door is open
Each one to his tribe
Upon the fields of Ajalon
A hundred thousand fires
If you come towards me
Be prepared to die
We claim the sepulchre
The water and the night
Your witches advancing
She has danced upon your pyre
For all that she desires
The door is open
And now they spread inside
We warned you of our magic
And all that we desire
The door is open
But once again denied
We know who lives forever
We know who shall not die
We are not lost but found
Oh and we walk on solid ground
We cannot lose your way
No difference anyway
Saul’s on the seashore
Ashore beats the waves
Summon me that other miracle
What is it all for
Judas comes instead
Christ hurry home and get saved again
Saved again tonight
We love you
Can you see those thousand horses
Following you
Where are the children
Where are their mothers
Have their fathers killed them too
(iv) The Ballad Of Creepy John
I wish I was a garden wall
Covered by some friendly moss
Happy with the spider John creepy crawl
Living on a high rise boundary stone
Seven little sorcerers
Nailed to the garden wall
All guests of Shalmanessar
Each one of them have lost their balls
Now their blood is flowing so easily
That country estate’s a must
When living off a poor man’s crust
Jolly good
Now they’ve pulled down my garden wall
Feeding off my friend for blood
Now they’re pulling off the legs of creepy John
Fucking up my high rise boundary stone
Oh mother where are you right now
Do you think I’m beautiful
Oh father late as usual
And you know that’ll never do
Three thousand years have gone
Yet nothing’s really changed
He’s Rameses he’s Herod
Their mask is still the same
Each one is screwing Marion
Yet Robin gets the blame
And somewhere in the world
A soul is dying
And somewhere in his world
A soul is dying
And somewhere in the soul
A world is spiralling down
Oh brother am I your Abel
In a field to be struck down
Oh father I know you’re able
As the blood seeps in the ground
Cold steel can mesmerise
Those living inside the plane
And you can bet your life
There’s a fool inside
And he doesn’t give a fuck
Who’s to blame
His castle’s on the hillside
Filled with caviar siege champagne
As he chops your head
With the carving knife
And feeding you on poisoned brains
So the tide brought you home again
Upon the whispers on the breeze
Now we are members of oblivion
That mask again
The face he cannot change
The soul this far contaminated
“What is contaminated”
“Everything”
(v) Echoes - The Labyrinth Penumbra
We climbed up the fast way
Leading to heaven
Pulled down by the fast lane
Leading to heaven
When something said stop
It’s time to give up
Ask yourself how you feel
Well so how do you feel
When the night draws near
You’ve placed us so far
So far away
You’ve placed us so far
With your sin
For all that you are
The wind turns cold
For all that you are
Your wind turns cold
It’s in your eyes
In your breath
To some foolish man
To some foolish plan
(Out of the water
The witch is exposed
Driving on and on
To where she don’t know
And the fire in her eyes
Said it cannot be far
The moon’s full of sadness
And knows it’s quite dark
The corridor’s still open my friend
Can you not free me
From all of my pain
The wind is still blowing
The dust from my name
I’m missing you
I’m missing you
At the moment I sit
By a cool temple shade
Refreshing the torment
In every page
And the destiny you are
Is your life)
How do you feel
Right now
When the night draws near
How do you feel
When rocket ships
Are landing in your ocean
That number on your head
Won’t get you far
In fact you won’t be leaving
You won’t be leaving
No not at all
The prophet calls the feast and cries
I know who you are
Those children of Adam
You cannot come far
The light that shines within you
Will soon become dark
As the angels lost their beauty
Or just who they are
So we call you
(vi) All The Sin’s Men
Our Father art in heaven
Hallowed be thy shame
Thy kingdom is coming
On the back of a beast again
Coming sooner now
But it’s overun
And they’re spreading their whores together
Thy will will be done
Spreading their wars forever
Thy will is overun
Spreading those whores together
Thy little will’s well hung
Don’t ask me why
I’m better off that way
I wanna lie with the witches
They can take my breath away
Witches I’m still on the run
Another Creepy John about to fall
The remnants of a host
That came knocking at your door
Screaming out their vengeance
Apocolyptic creed
Accusing you the witness
Of another sinful deed
And off they go to heaven
The master’s still delayed
Maybe he’s at Butlins
Maybe it’s that seventh day
Don’t ask me why
I’m better off that way
I wanna lie with the witches
They can take my breath away
Witches now I’m on the run
They don’t know that God’s reflection
Deep inside is just reflecting you
(vii) Farewell
Now Florence Nightengale
Has shined her light on you
She has horses and a carriage clock
To amputate the few
Not me not me
You saw the death of Joan of Arc
There’s nothing she could do
With no horses or carriage clock
It’s to those flames for you
Not me not me
So steal another life again
And build yourself anew
No future for my children
Destroyed by men like you
Inside you like a vision
To crush those poorer men
And live like kings forever
Inside their chosen pens
Where are you Creepy John
I’m off to find those legs I lost
Shalmanessar’s guests all gone
Sold by Robin every one
Tearing down your garden wall
Humpty Dumpty has to fall
And no king’s horses no king’s men
Could put our Humpty back again
So I will see you
Just for a moment
The TV just fades
Give me the shroud
Watch the stars go away
With the witches on the run
After all
Inside
With you
The witches on the run again
A Word In Your Ear
Pat a cake, pat a cake, fake a man
Crush his bones as hard as you can
Ground them down with acid and steel
Prepare the table for a sumptuous meal
Gather the host whose lust for blood
Gave Vlad the Impaler the right, the must
To maim and kill in terrible ways
Impaled by stakes like galleries
He hung white flesh on crimson trunk
The crow did watch the wolf he slunk
And nailed their hats on pompus heads
The blood the man became obsessed
And handed down to those on high
The lust for blood and tyrannise
You, your children, your wife, your friend
To do to you as he did then
True, that this resembles Gabriel-era Genesis, but in my opinion that's not so sad, since I don't remember too many other later bands that have followed this path as skillfully as this band does. And there are far more those newer proggers that could be accused as imitating old Pink Floyd, Camel etc. In my list early Citizen Cain represents the better part of the neo-prog of the 90's together with for example the Swiss Clepsydra.
Absolutly Gabriel
Listen to and watch THE WATCH, an Italian band. Greets from PERU 🇵🇪
m.th-cam.com/video/oxmb5_NmKlg/w-d-xo.html
99 percent Peter Gabriel voice.
...real prog group!!!...
Yes true. The prog as it should be.
Cyrus The great ,Cyrus the elder,sure he looked well for being 2500 years old .
Hope His persona has lasted the 25 years since I saw these men last.
Hopeless this , sound like Genesis, but very weak!!!!!!
Foda
xD. Chissà chi mi ha portato su questa via :D
Maybe the Iliad had another face??????
Like old Cyrus very dramatic, Defaced the Iliad, when I wanted to read again, not cool just dramatic..
The vocals are too Peter Gabrielish for me. Obviously a very talented band, but they ought to get another singer, or at least tell the guy on this recording to get his own vocal style
It is true that the two voices are similar but that kind of voice is more suited to that kind of music; moreover, in my opinion, Cyrus is superior to Gabriel as lead singer. Finally, Cyrus, with keyboardist Stewart Bell, are the authors of the music and lyrics and Citizen Cain could not exist without Cyrus.
Fair enough. Not my thing however.
But some times ago Stewart Bell made his own project with Simone Rossetti from "The Watch" band (which voice is more "Peter Gabrielish") and with Arjen Anthony Lucassen from Ayreon. But not with Cyrus.
I have both cds of the new Stewart Bell project; the singer is no longer Cyrus and in fact the sound is different from that of Citizen Cain, although the main voice on both albums is that of Simone Rossetti, which is really much like Peter Gabriel's voice.
what a foolish comment,I'll leave it there