I absolutely love this series, it's filled with morally grey characters and scenarios and makes it abundantly clear that no matter how noble you are, you can't accomplish anything without power.
@@wendiewebb4457 Did every character in the show commit a genocide? Yeah there ARE evil characters including Ainz himself who definitely leans heavily towards evil, though far less evil then characters like Clementine, Albedo, and Renner. But many of the characters really arent evil, some from the tomb are even explicitly good leaning and many opposed the genocide.
Climb is the worst kind of fanatic, one that has long throw away his individuality one thats has literally no thoughts of his own and is a tool in all but name
Eclair Ecleir Eicler is a good hard working guy. He is diligently working his was to the top of nazarick. Triple E has the purest of intentions and will not snub others along the way. He even so earnestly encourages all of his colleagues to do their best. Eclair Ecleir Eicler is a truly GOOD character.
I think a few like Gazef and Sebas are pretty solid good guys, Gazef is a pretty ideal warrior and Sebas intervened to save a nameless kid from being beaten while Brain was about to walk off.
Even they have limits to how good they can be. Gazef's loyalty is to a WEAK king who allowed nobles to abuse lower class people like Tuare, for fear these nobles will revolt against him. Sebas' loyalty is to Ainz, a lawful EVIL figure; if his master ordered him to kill an innocent person, Sebas will swallow his objections and kill the innocent, as demonstrated when he tried to kill Tuare and prove his loyalty.
@@edudmodnar4661 Gazef chose honor not pride. He was dedicated to king and country and wanted to help the common people having been one of them. He never imagined the cruelty and utter destruction that Ainz would eventually bring to reestize. Hell, Ainz himself didn't even imagine it, Demiurge is the one who decided on giving reestize the stick and total annihilation, Ainz went along it because he needed to look good in front his guardians. Sebas is an antivillain, he is a good guy himself, but his allegiance is to Ainz and Nazarick above all else. Yes he would kill Tuare because he will follow orders, all the NPCs are fiercely loyal as they were created and programmed to be.
@@longtsun8286 Ramposa was a good man but a weak king, he was stuck with a failing country and a failing system and lacked the strength to do what needed to be done. Jircniv would have done it, Zanac and Renner together would have done it. There is a side story of the story without Nazarick where Zanac succeeds and turns things around, check it out.
One thing me and my buddies clash on. I am the only one of my group who loves this anime because. Ainz doesnt mess around. He doesnt talk and explain himself to the enemy more so then theatrical displays to gain insight. But in the end he kills his opponents. It isnt an anime where love and understanding triumphs all. He even explained it to climb that he isnt the hero of this tale and that no matter how hard he tries reality is a different beast all together. Where as I cant get into naruto because even when people die they come back and theyre all friends and all are not hate filled but neutral and that they are all friends in the end. And the fight seens make no sense beyond just looking cool but its too drawn out and all that power just for zero results. Im more goblin slayer berserk and overlord style of manga. Alittle extreme but in a real'ish world of what goes on they take the cake rather then the born as a slime and hes just friends with everybody. Not very compelling and it falls off because its the same stuff. You know what i mean
He is definitely idealistic but it's his blind loyalty to Renner that is his fault. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do good and help others but he fails to see Renner's true nature and how she fails on purpose or secretly has people killed by leaking info to the maids knowing their families will dispose of them.
I agree, but as a german writer once said, fear not evil as much as the foolish, as evil always acts in its own interest while the naive (or the fool) can happly walk into hell, taking all those around them.
He is naive , weak minded , without any talent , he has no personality, he can’t even comprehend what is right and wrong! After everything he was ready to become a demon! So he doesn’t care about anything except his mistress !
The way Overlord portrays its characters does remind me of the cast of Akame ga Kill in a sense. Nobody in that series is really good. There are naive characters like Tatsumi, the Emperor, and Wave. However, there are ultimately no good characters. Leone made that very clear to Tatsumi when he was making Night Raid out to be a band of Robin Hoods. Everyone in Night Raid are killers. Sure, they are killing to overthrow a corrupt empire, but they all have quite the amount of blood on their hands. Even some of the bad guys of Akame ga Kill are not wholly bad. Esdeath was a sadist who relished in the idea of maintaining her strength by killing the weak and starting wars. However, she wasn't a psychopath. She had a pretty good grip on reality, even after drinking all the blood of that danger beast. She was also very caring towards her subordinates, as well as respectful to a few of her enemies. Then there is Kurome who is also responsible for quite the amount of deaths, while also being just a tad bit insane. She was driven to kill her sister because she loved her. This may sound like crazy talk, but it actually does make sense. Both Akame and Kurome wanted to kill each other to free themselves from the inferno that the war caused them both. Even the Revolutionary army itself isn't good. They committed numerous crimes over their time trying to overthrow the empire. It's this sort of realism that makes Akame ga Kill my second favorite anime.
@@pablo1006pr Not all of them. Bols, Esdeath, Wave, Liver, and Run to an extent were pretty sane. At least as far as Akame ga Kill characters are concerned. The Minister and his son were definitely psychopaths. The same goes for Stylish and especially Seriyu. General Budo was just an idiot who was too much of a traditionalist.
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 psychopaths are very sane, but in akame ga kill the heroes never really do anything evil in any way shape pr form, they kill literal psychopaths and nothing else, and if my me ory serves me right, everyon that was part of the empire defected just as fast as they realized their empire was corrupt as fuck and they didn't really commit any crime that i can remember so in the end the story isn't this perspective against this perspective is just good guys vs bad guys
@@pablo1006pr Not really on all three points. Psychopaths aren't very sane, since their view on reality is consistently twisted in some way. That's why Esdeath isn't a psychopath, despite being a sadist. Trust me, I've been studying psychology for years. Some people that Night Raid killed were psychopaths, but they also killed soldiers who were somewhat good that didn't have the guts to defect, or killed soldiers who were following orders for one reason or another. The latter were not as much bad as they were unable to be independent. General Budo is an example of the latter. As I said, he was an idiotic traditionalist. He knew that the Minister was a scumbag and about the corruption, but he did nothing about it. Then there was one of the bodyguards in the first episode who knew about the corruption and the manipulation of the Emperor, but still died by Bulat's hands as a soldier to the Empire. Heck, Wave didn't defect until after the Emperor was blowing up towns to try to kill Tatsumi. He knew about the corruption as well, but he still stuck with the empire until it was in the endgame because of his duties as a soldier. In other words, there were some soldiers in the empire who were not evil or psychotic, yet stuck with the empire anyway. Bols is another example. He was a big softy, but he was still loyal to the empire up until his death. As for your third point not being right, my initial comment sums it up. Night Raid were killers at their core. Sure they were tortured souls, but they killed for a cause they believed was just. On top of that, your point that they never committed crimes is implying that you don't believe killing is a crime. Look, I am a sadist, but I know that killing is a crime if it is not in self defense. In other words, Night Raid did commit crimes for the sake of revolution. The Revolutionary Army is guilty of multiple crimes too. While we're not told of these crimes, there is no way they could make the revolution happen without committing crimes. Revolutions are going to get messy no matter which way you slice it. In short, you saying that Akame ga Kill is good guys versus bad guys and not perspective versus perspective is incredibly narrow minded and naive. The series makes it clear very quickly that there are no good guys in it. The series also shows multiple perspectives for why the characters fight. One final thing I will say is your grammar is atrocious. I don't know if you're just not an English speaker, but please do something about that grammar.
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 the "i've been studying physcology trust me" argument is stupid psychopaths are one of the most sane ever, your point abut wave doesn't prove that he is good, it proves that he is a naive guy that lived his whole life away fr4om corruption in a far away village and when exposed to actual curruption he defected, your point about night raid being killers great, now that opens up a whole other debate about the marality of killing which i am not gonna discuss because fuck is boring watch the good place for that, and i am no being narrow mided you are trying to make a series deeper than it actually is.
I love that you mentioned that there's no upstanding moral person in Overlord it kind of hits at it when bone daddy quoted Christ when he says No Greater Love is this then he that lays his life down for his friends the fact that they had to invoke that showed you that just like our world their world is shattered and full of Shades of Grey and that's what I love about it and someone that supposedly so evil by negative Karma levels is such a effective and good ruler and does want the best for his offspring and the greater sorcerer Kingdom and the tomb of Nazareth assassin's the blind idiot God in this case he's really has become the Specter of death as well as the balance of Good and Evil and just like even the gospel says great and terrible good and evil Cain exactly from irons in that world and since he's a reflection of our world he is made in the image of our God so he's basically doing the same thing but on a different plane of existence
The correct quote is John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." Ainz slightly misquotes (as he often does) and attributes it to the Gorspel of Mark (which is also not unusual).
Ninya is the only character in Overlord that I feel was a "good person." As all she wanted to do was become strong enough to bring her sister back, whether or not that would have brought her sister any amount of happiness is another story.
Roberdyck became a worker because he could not treat those who could not afford it for free and part of his earnings went to orphans. I would say that he is the kindest as he did a dangerous job to help the weak, who had nothing to do with him.
Yeah, the only "maybe sin" of her was lie to the team mates about her gender to protect unity (so she may not fully Trust them). But that is pretty small in the overall
Fun one. I get why you phrased it this way (more clicks), but I think it is worth noting that many of the characters in overlord, most notably Gazef but also Enri, have plenty of kindness, compassion, and moral codes, that they will not easily violate. They are good people by real world standards. Just not by children’s story standards. They also end up doing things that are arguably wrong or evil, because they are following leaders who order them to do things that are wrong or evil. There are good and evil people in overlord; but their morality runs into the fact that the real world is complicated and messy and leaders, systems or governments can be corrupt. It’s not the kind of good and evil you find in in some stories, but there are still people who are trying to be kind and people who enjoy being cruel. And some of the people who think they are being good or evil (or kind or cruel) are really doing the opposite. And then there is Demiurge, who knows damn well if he is evil, and actively enjoys it, while still trying to be kind to the denizens of Nazarick.
Enri and Gazef did nothing wrong, one defended the villagers, and the other protected the kingdom, if you want to make a point you need your facts to be right.
@@ironaston9858 Gazef refused to break his oath of loyalty even though he knew he could have used defection to Ainz to save lives. Whether that was right or wrong depends on whether you believe that personal honor is more important than the preservation of lives. I like Gazef; I think he was right. But, if he had made different choices, he could have saved the kingdom. Enri really hasn’t done anything wrong yet, other than defy the orders of her rightful prince. I think she was right. But someone who believed in obeying orders from rightful authority might not. She is also an extremely loyal follower to someone who committed genocide and ethnic cleansing. She does not really know that, but she is still following an evil leader.
@@OakandIV Funnily enough Enri's reputation in the world of Overlord is actually quite bad. Or at least she is feared as the Bloody General. Partly because she defeated the Kingdom's soldiers but mostly because most people think she killed the crown prince.
@@OakandIV You're wrong if you think Gazef could have prevented the kingdom's downfall, he couldn't, as much as people want to believe he would influence Ainz, the truth is he listens more to the NPCs than someone he would have used as a fake friend/follower. As far as Enri goes, does it really surprise you that much that she would defy a prince who marched up to their gates with thousands of armed soldiers and demanded entrance to sell out their savior, from the same kingdom who failed to protect them? Yeah, you must be crazy.
- There are stories that choose a relationship between good guys and bad guys but you have to think that similar stories are difficult to accept as stories with good guys sell more easily. In one piece the protagonists are good but they only help those they consider "friends", like Vivi, or if it is in line with their ideals, like Nami with the children of Punk Hazard. This works for other characters too. For example, many people complain about why Drago didn't save a character from the "bad guys" without thinking that it would have been a risky operation for him. In akame ga kill we have the protagonists who don't like killing because it goes against their morals but they do it for a greater good. We then have various characters who show facets. - Zanack reminds me a lot of Tyrion Lannister. We know that in the royal family he was the decent one, even if not morally perfect. Unfortunately, like many Overlord characters, Zanack doesn't really do much nor does he have any particular path. - Regarding Calca and remedios, the former did everything possible to keep the insurrections under control while being accused by the southern nobles and remedios is judged by the plot as everything is done to make her appear crazy and the readers are no different as the the only trait they remember about her is "she is stupid" without considering the state she was in having seen her sister and the queen killed in front of her. Neia, on the other hand, was a squire without too much responsibility who was constantly helped. - Regarding Arche, I think there are misunderstandings. While it is true that workers normally do illegal things, it is also true that many times they are useful, such as selling medicines at a lower price. Then, as demonstrated by foresight, in the book and in the game, they can also collaborate with the state. It should also be said that the workers were disgusted by the treatment of the slave elves, even though slavery is accepted in the empire. It should also be noted that, although in chapter 2 it is said that they have done something wrong, we are never told what and as a group they don't seem to have done anything that an adventurer wouldn't do (Just look at the list of their works in the splash page that portrays the group). I then remember that Blue Rose also did work outside the guild on behalf of Renner, burning villages to eliminate the eight-finger drug cmapirs. Regarding the inhabited tomb, I would say that it is difficult to think that it was inhabited by innocents since, as chapter o2 part3 of volume 7 points out, in the tomb only those who have to hide for some reason would take refuge there and given that slavery is abolished in the kingdom and since you would need to be a necromancer to live in a place where the undead emerge, it means that there isn't a poor slave or a commoner there but probably people who have to hide for crimes. Also there is a rule to eliminate illegal squatters if the guild is not involved because zuranon caused accidents. I mean, there was no way there were any peaceful people there. The orphans would become undead. Arche, as we see during the discussion with her father, seems to be manipulated by his words about the fact that they raised her and she says he repaid everything for her. Also in overlord second half chapter 15, we are told that noble girls obey their fathers. This makes me think that Arche was educated to obey her father but that over time she freed herself from this mentality. The same father says that the adventurers have changed her daughter, that she allows herself to respond to him. It should also be remembered that her father had contacts with nobles who took advantage of him, as seen when Arke returns home and the butler tells her that a merchant with a nobleman has come to sell some things. Arche then decides not to give anything more to her father, so for her her mission was just a way to earn a lot of money immediately, which is not easy with the father around. Regarding being an adventurer, in chapter 20 of overlord second half it is said that Arche was first an adventurer and then a worker". If this lore is still valid, with the news on the fact that the guild is not good for jircniv's reforms, as for example, the army that takes care of the weakest monsters means that a low-ranking adventurer not only doesn't earn much but can't even rise in rank. So it wouldn't surprise me if Arche became a worker because she didn't earn enough in the guild. Fluder speaks well of her but then why didn't he look for her in all the time she was away. We know that the purge was implemented 7 years before and Arche meets foresight about two years before. So there are at least two years in which fluder could have looked for her. Arche instead thought she wasn't that special as we see when she thinks that ofresight will kick her out because of her background. Spoiler, she had no talent. She was just a hard worker. Regarding her talent, there is nothing special. Then, curious how you talk about foresight who could meet innocent people but you don't say anything about jricniv, who knew that ainz lived there and therefore he thought of sending mercenaries there to attack him. Then however you have Roberdyck, perhaps the kindest of the group and who helped orphans and the sick. I don't think there are any others like it. - Regarding Climb, is there ever anything that would make him think that Renner is crazy? - Regarding the point about life, many more "virtuous" works are sold precisely because real life sucks and therefore people want to get away from it for a while. Then, most of the time in the plots the protagonists end up well in one way or another and in Overlord it is no exception. Indeed, in overlord you don't even see them working to achieve anything as they have to make little or no effort, which is not in any way inspiring for a person reading. Yes, it's interesting to visit new worlds but in my opinion that's all there is to it. In fact, I think that Overlord is interesting more for its novelty, even if there were similar stories like the video game Overlord or King of the Dead.
For me the appeal of Overlord is to see the endlessly cruel and corrupt people of the new world be put in their place by the unstoppable power of Nazarick. Nazarick can't be reasoned with, can't be outsmarted, and sure as hell can't be defeated in combat. Reminds me of a quote attributed to Genghis Khan: "If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you."
There is simply no need for plot armor as it is useless as the protagonists are too strong. He imagines if Luffy had Nika's powers from the beginning along with the fully learned haki. There would have been no difficulty.
Seeing an image of shatkura haruno while you talk about generic characters fills me with joy 😂😂😂😂 However the memory of Touch Me, and by extension Sebas, could be considered a moral compass turned to good. There is a reason why him and Demiurge don't see eye to eye. Mare does not seem bad due to his personality, but under his polite exterior, he is like Aura, morally indifferent to humans at best. Niña, Tsuare, Enri, Nfirea, Zanac, Hamsuke seem to me closer to the so called good due to their actions, but not too much. We did not know enough of Caspond at all pre-Döppelganger. The rest are all bad or morally grey -- I mean, Nigredo (and Pestonya) gives humans two years' worth of attention at best 😂
the closest thing to completely good characters we get are sebas and touchme sebas is still completely loyal to ainz, and will do any evil if commanded and we only see touchme like twice, so nowhere near enough to understand his personality
Believe me , I never felt sorry for those people who were perished by Ainz , i knew it this is the case ! The moment i saw gagaran is a despicable serial R and everyone knows about her and chose to not care ! The blue rose members are the worst!
Naive, dumb and unkowingly contribuded to the destruction of a nation, had every chance to see renner for what it was and actively ignore it. Ignorance is also a crime
i got sick of the few good characters like stronoff in this show if the MC was one i would have dropped it , this is why i hate 90% of anime leaders of countries are not good people & the thing they do to hold power are pure evil
I don't know using the initial war against Ainz as a way to solve the overpopulation crisis his race was facing doesn't seem like a good guy kind of thing.
I usually agree with your vids, but you didnt say anything to show asha wasnt innocent. You blamed her for her parents actions? Thats ridiculous. And gave examples of what her team might have done, with no examples from the source material to back it up, other than they were mercanaries? The paladin on their team was only a merc, because he refused to charge people for heals. You can have plenty of reasons to not work with the confines of the establishment without it being because youre a murder hobo. Definitely not your best work here.
Workers are way less inclined to be goody-goody, though Foresight was definitely one of the less dubious groups. Even then, Arche became a Worker to essentially commit tax evasion, nevermind the red tape- for every job she did on her level she would have gotten peanuts from the Adventurer Guild. Workers are dubious by nature- they get jobs that are usually too dubious or implicating for adventurers to take, which goes back to the high pay.
all the anime only people mad about her fate being mercifully killed by shaltear on Ainz orders have no idea what she went through in the original she had it 10000000x better in the LN and anime. to be honest had i been in her shoes i would have shown him my worth and ask for mercy offer him a fair deal. he let me go get my sisters to safety in a place i know they will be ok and taken care of properly then willingly return to him to show i keep my word even knowing I'm going to my more then likely horrible end. this will likely speak to his human side and may give me a better option. but that is my thinking.
Ainz didn't say to just kill her but to make her fall into despair first. Furthermore, it is foolish to think that Ainz was even right in the slightest to behave that way when it was all because of her. Then, I want to remind you that she is the only character with a background and a sad story that ends badly. this is why people, even if to a small extent, empathize with us. I say minimal because she is perhaps one of the most shitless characters of all. It doesn't surprise me since many fans criticize the character and anyone who tries to say "I feel sorry for her" not to mention that the fact that he was eliminated immediately in the gatch game, without a single unit available and without advertising, makes me think that he does I'm disgusting to everyone.
You could argue Gazef's unwillingness to defect was bad because he could've saved more lives if he had. Instead, his loyalty to the king/kingdom led him to willingly sacrifice more lives. Yes he sort of made up for it by dueling Ainz, but that resulted in him not being around to help the king when the kingdom fell to the sorcerer kingdom. As for Lakyus, apparently there is some stuff in the manga that makes her less "good".
Without the Theocracy, as hard as it sounds Menkind can#t survive, so either the theocracy can extermintate demihuman villages or they will eventually conquer humanity. But Laykus, out of a missplaced sense of justice interfeared with the Sunlight Scripture, hence why its leader hat this scare. Don't get me wrong, the extermination units of the theocracy are not the good guys, but Laykus interference with the Sunlight Scriputres work might cost lifes down the line. Also the raid on the narc farm in season two entailed many civilian casualties, that blue roses had to just accept.
You know what I hate about this series, the main character and all of his crew. The entire show is cruelty for the sake of cruelty so the most sick individuals can live out their fantasies vicariously through the show. It became so f****** redundant and stupid that he forgot the original goal he set out on. More than likely he ended up killing all his friends avatars and didn't even notice. What's even more hilarious is he can't f****** accept the blame, what did you think would happen if you threatened to eradicate the entire population constantly with immense torture, bloodshed, and cruelty that can sometimes be borderline rape. Well obviously they're going to go batshit insane and do whatever they can in an attempt to survive even if it means becoming depraved themselves. This isn't because they magically chose to suddenly, no this is because the MC became a dark force that is inevitable choosing not to be reasonable but to scar people into madness thus causing madness to spread then proceeding to blame the people for the madness that he himself caused. F****** brilliant its Joe Biden but with dark magic in a midevil time.
The complexity of characters in overlord is so nice, it even makes characters that would normally be cut and dry evil more grey than anything.
I absolutely love this series, it's filled with morally grey characters and scenarios and makes it abundantly clear that no matter how noble you are, you can't accomplish anything without power.
Because genocide is morally grey
@@wendiewebb4457 Did every character in the show commit a genocide? Yeah there ARE evil characters including Ainz himself who definitely leans heavily towards evil, though far less evil then characters like Clementine, Albedo, and Renner.
But many of the characters really arent evil, some from the tomb are even explicitly good leaning and many opposed the genocide.
Climb is the worst kind of fanatic, one that has long throw away his individuality one thats has literally no thoughts of his own and is a tool in all but name
Eclair Ecleir Eicler is a good hard working guy. He is diligently working his was to the top of nazarick. Triple E has the purest of intentions and will not snub others along the way. He even so earnestly encourages all of his colleagues to do their best. Eclair Ecleir Eicler is a truly GOOD character.
I think a few like Gazef and Sebas are pretty solid good guys, Gazef is a pretty ideal warrior and Sebas intervened to save a nameless kid from being beaten while Brain was about to walk off.
Even they have limits to how good they can be. Gazef's loyalty is to a WEAK king who allowed nobles to abuse lower class people like Tuare, for fear these nobles will revolt against him. Sebas' loyalty is to Ainz, a lawful EVIL figure; if his master ordered him to kill an innocent person, Sebas will swallow his objections and kill the innocent, as demonstrated when he tried to kill Tuare and prove his loyalty.
Sebas also would have killed Tuare if Cocytus didnt stop him
Gazef could have saved countless lifes If he changed side in the battle against Ainz, but he Choose his Pride against other peoples lifes
@@edudmodnar4661 Gazef chose honor not pride. He was dedicated to king and country and wanted to help the common people having been one of them. He never imagined the cruelty and utter destruction that Ainz would eventually bring to reestize.
Hell, Ainz himself didn't even imagine it, Demiurge is the one who decided on giving reestize the stick and total annihilation, Ainz went along it because he needed to look good in front his guardians.
Sebas is an antivillain, he is a good guy himself, but his allegiance is to Ainz and Nazarick above all else. Yes he would kill Tuare because he will follow orders, all the NPCs are fiercely loyal as they were created and programmed to be.
@@longtsun8286 Ramposa was a good man but a weak king, he was stuck with a failing country and a failing system and lacked the strength to do what needed to be done. Jircniv would have done it, Zanac and Renner together would have done it. There is a side story of the story without Nazarick where Zanac succeeds and turns things around, check it out.
One thing me and my buddies clash on. I am the only one of my group who loves this anime because. Ainz doesnt mess around. He doesnt talk and explain himself to the enemy more so then theatrical displays to gain insight. But in the end he kills his opponents. It isnt an anime where love and understanding triumphs all. He even explained it to climb that he isnt the hero of this tale and that no matter how hard he tries reality is a different beast all together. Where as I cant get into naruto because even when people die they come back and theyre all friends and all are not hate filled but neutral and that they are all friends in the end. And the fight seens make no sense beyond just looking cool but its too drawn out and all that power just for zero results. Im more goblin slayer berserk and overlord style of manga. Alittle extreme but in a real'ish world of what goes on they take the cake rather then the born as a slime and hes just friends with everybody. Not very compelling and it falls off because its the same stuff. You know what i mean
I would call Climb naive, but that's it. His idealism kill him.
He is definitely idealistic but it's his blind loyalty to Renner that is his fault. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do good and help others but he fails to see Renner's true nature and how she fails on purpose or secretly has people killed by leaking info to the maids knowing their families will dispose of them.
I agree, but as a german writer once said, fear not evil as much as the foolish, as evil always acts in its own interest while the naive (or the fool) can happly walk into hell, taking all those around them.
He is naive , weak minded , without any talent , he has no personality, he can’t even comprehend what is right and wrong! After everything he was ready to become a demon! So he doesn’t care about anything except his mistress !
The way Overlord portrays its characters does remind me of the cast of Akame ga Kill in a sense. Nobody in that series is really good. There are naive characters like Tatsumi, the Emperor, and Wave. However, there are ultimately no good characters. Leone made that very clear to Tatsumi when he was making Night Raid out to be a band of Robin Hoods. Everyone in Night Raid are killers. Sure, they are killing to overthrow a corrupt empire, but they all have quite the amount of blood on their hands. Even some of the bad guys of Akame ga Kill are not wholly bad. Esdeath was a sadist who relished in the idea of maintaining her strength by killing the weak and starting wars. However, she wasn't a psychopath. She had a pretty good grip on reality, even after drinking all the blood of that danger beast. She was also very caring towards her subordinates, as well as respectful to a few of her enemies. Then there is Kurome who is also responsible for quite the amount of deaths, while also being just a tad bit insane. She was driven to kill her sister because she loved her. This may sound like crazy talk, but it actually does make sense. Both Akame and Kurome wanted to kill each other to free themselves from the inferno that the war caused them both. Even the Revolutionary army itself isn't good. They committed numerous crimes over their time trying to overthrow the empire. It's this sort of realism that makes Akame ga Kill my second favorite anime.
Yeah the thing is that in akame ga kill every good character is tragic or misguided, all evil character are literal psychopaths
@@pablo1006pr Not all of them. Bols, Esdeath, Wave, Liver, and Run to an extent were pretty sane. At least as far as Akame ga Kill characters are concerned. The Minister and his son were definitely psychopaths. The same goes for Stylish and especially Seriyu. General Budo was just an idiot who was too much of a traditionalist.
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 psychopaths are very sane, but in akame ga kill the heroes never really do anything evil in any way shape pr form, they kill literal psychopaths and nothing else, and if my me ory serves me right, everyon that was part of the empire defected just as fast as they realized their empire was corrupt as fuck and they didn't really commit any crime that i can remember so in the end the story isn't this perspective against this perspective is just good guys vs bad guys
@@pablo1006pr Not really on all three points. Psychopaths aren't very sane, since their view on reality is consistently twisted in some way. That's why Esdeath isn't a psychopath, despite being a sadist. Trust me, I've been studying psychology for years. Some people that Night Raid killed were psychopaths, but they also killed soldiers who were somewhat good that didn't have the guts to defect, or killed soldiers who were following orders for one reason or another. The latter were not as much bad as they were unable to be independent. General Budo is an example of the latter. As I said, he was an idiotic traditionalist. He knew that the Minister was a scumbag and about the corruption, but he did nothing about it. Then there was one of the bodyguards in the first episode who knew about the corruption and the manipulation of the Emperor, but still died by Bulat's hands as a soldier to the Empire. Heck, Wave didn't defect until after the Emperor was blowing up towns to try to kill Tatsumi. He knew about the corruption as well, but he still stuck with the empire until it was in the endgame because of his duties as a soldier. In other words, there were some soldiers in the empire who were not evil or psychotic, yet stuck with the empire anyway. Bols is another example. He was a big softy, but he was still loyal to the empire up until his death.
As for your third point not being right, my initial comment sums it up. Night Raid were killers at their core. Sure they were tortured souls, but they killed for a cause they believed was just. On top of that, your point that they never committed crimes is implying that you don't believe killing is a crime. Look, I am a sadist, but I know that killing is a crime if it is not in self defense. In other words, Night Raid did commit crimes for the sake of revolution. The Revolutionary Army is guilty of multiple crimes too. While we're not told of these crimes, there is no way they could make the revolution happen without committing crimes. Revolutions are going to get messy no matter which way you slice it.
In short, you saying that Akame ga Kill is good guys versus bad guys and not perspective versus perspective is incredibly narrow minded and naive. The series makes it clear very quickly that there are no good guys in it. The series also shows multiple perspectives for why the characters fight.
One final thing I will say is your grammar is atrocious. I don't know if you're just not an English speaker, but please do something about that grammar.
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 the "i've been studying physcology trust me" argument is stupid psychopaths are one of the most sane ever, your point abut wave doesn't prove that he is good, it proves that he is a naive guy that lived his whole life away fr4om corruption in a far away village and when exposed to actual curruption he defected, your point about night raid being killers great, now that opens up a whole other debate about the marality of killing which i am not gonna discuss because fuck is boring watch the good place for that, and i am no being narrow mided you are trying to make a series deeper than it actually is.
I love that you mentioned that there's no upstanding moral person in Overlord it kind of hits at it when bone daddy quoted Christ when he says No Greater Love is this then he that lays his life down for his friends the fact that they had to invoke that showed you that just like our world their world is shattered and full of Shades of Grey and that's what I love about it and someone that supposedly so evil by negative Karma levels is such a effective and good ruler and does want the best for his offspring and the greater sorcerer Kingdom and the tomb of Nazareth assassin's the blind idiot God in this case he's really has become the Specter of death as well as the balance of Good and Evil and just like even the gospel says great and terrible good and evil Cain exactly from irons in that world and since he's a reflection of our world he is made in the image of our God so he's basically doing the same thing but on a different plane of existence
The correct quote is John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." Ainz slightly misquotes (as he often does) and attributes it to the Gorspel of Mark (which is also not unusual).
Ninya is the only character in Overlord that I feel was a "good person." As all she wanted to do was become strong enough to bring her sister back, whether or not that would have brought her sister any amount of happiness is another story.
Roberdyck became a worker because he could not treat those who could not afford it for free and part of his earnings went to orphans. I would say that he is the kindest as he did a dangerous job to help the weak, who had nothing to do with him.
If there's a good person in this novel then my vote will go to Ninya. Her death is very tragic.
Yeah, the only "maybe sin" of her was lie to the team mates about her gender to protect unity (so she may not fully Trust them). But that is pretty small in the overall
Fun one.
I get why you phrased it this way (more clicks), but I think it is worth noting that many of the characters in overlord, most notably Gazef but also Enri, have plenty of kindness, compassion, and moral codes, that they will not easily violate. They are good people by real world standards. Just not by children’s story standards. They also end up doing things that are arguably wrong or evil, because they are following leaders who order them to do things that are wrong or evil. There are good and evil people in overlord; but their morality runs into the fact that the real world is complicated and messy and leaders, systems or governments can be corrupt.
It’s not the kind of good and evil you find in in some stories, but there are still people who are trying to be kind and people who enjoy being cruel. And some of the people who think they are being good or evil (or kind or cruel) are really doing the opposite.
And then there is Demiurge, who knows damn well if he is evil, and actively enjoys it, while still trying to be kind to the denizens of Nazarick.
Enri and Gazef did nothing wrong, one defended the villagers, and the other protected the kingdom, if you want to make a point you need your facts to be right.
@@ironaston9858 Gazef refused to break his oath of loyalty even though he knew he could have used defection to Ainz to save lives. Whether that was right or wrong depends on whether you believe that personal honor is more important than the preservation of lives. I like Gazef; I think he was right. But, if he had made different choices, he could have saved the kingdom.
Enri really hasn’t done anything wrong yet, other than defy the orders of her rightful prince. I think she was right. But someone who believed in obeying orders from rightful authority might not. She is also an extremely loyal follower to someone who committed genocide and ethnic cleansing. She does not really know that, but she is still following an evil leader.
@@OakandIV Funnily enough Enri's reputation in the world of Overlord is actually quite bad. Or at least she is feared as the Bloody General. Partly because she defeated the Kingdom's soldiers but mostly because most people think she killed the crown prince.
@@OakandIV You're wrong if you think Gazef could have prevented the kingdom's downfall, he couldn't, as much as people want to believe he would influence Ainz, the truth is he listens more to the NPCs than someone he would have used as a fake friend/follower.
As far as Enri goes, does it really surprise you that much that she would defy a prince who marched up to their gates with thousands of armed soldiers and demanded entrance to sell out their savior, from the same kingdom who failed to protect them? Yeah, you must be crazy.
@@OakandIVi remember a lot of war crimes, but there was ethic cleansing?
- There are stories that choose a relationship between good guys and bad guys but you have to think that similar stories are difficult to accept as stories with good guys sell more easily. In one piece the protagonists are good but they only help those they consider "friends", like Vivi, or if it is in line with their ideals, like Nami with the children of Punk Hazard. This works for other characters too. For example, many people complain about why Drago didn't save a character from the "bad guys" without thinking that it would have been a risky operation for him. In akame ga kill we have the protagonists who don't like killing because it goes against their morals but they do it for a greater good. We then have various characters who show facets.
- Zanack reminds me a lot of Tyrion Lannister. We know that in the royal family he was the decent one, even if not morally perfect. Unfortunately, like many Overlord characters, Zanack doesn't really do much nor does he have any particular path.
- Regarding Calca and remedios, the former did everything possible to keep the insurrections under control while being accused by the southern nobles and remedios is judged by the plot as everything is done to make her appear crazy and the readers are no different as the the only trait they remember about her is "she is stupid" without considering the state she was in having seen her sister and the queen killed in front of her. Neia, on the other hand, was a squire without too much responsibility who was constantly helped.
- Regarding Arche, I think there are misunderstandings. While it is true that workers normally do illegal things, it is also true that many times they are useful, such as selling medicines at a lower price. Then, as demonstrated by foresight, in the book and in the game, they can also collaborate with the state. It should also be said that the workers were disgusted by the treatment of the slave elves, even though slavery is accepted in the empire. It should also be noted that, although in chapter 2 it is said that they have done something wrong, we are never told what and as a group they don't seem to have done anything that an adventurer wouldn't do (Just look at the list of their works in the splash page that portrays the group). I then remember that Blue Rose also did work outside the guild on behalf of Renner, burning villages to eliminate the eight-finger drug cmapirs. Regarding the inhabited tomb, I would say that it is difficult to think that it was inhabited by innocents since, as chapter o2 part3 of volume 7 points out, in the tomb only those who have to hide for some reason would take refuge there and given that slavery is abolished in the kingdom and since you would need to be a necromancer to live in a place where the undead emerge, it means that there isn't a poor slave or a commoner there but probably people who have to hide for crimes. Also there is a rule to eliminate illegal squatters if the guild is not involved because zuranon caused accidents. I mean, there was no way there were any peaceful people there. The orphans would become undead. Arche, as we see during the discussion with her father, seems to be manipulated by his words about the fact that they raised her and she says he repaid everything for her. Also in overlord second half chapter 15, we are told that noble girls obey their fathers. This makes me think that Arche was educated to obey her father but that over time she freed herself from this mentality. The same father says that the adventurers have changed her daughter, that she allows herself to respond to him. It should also be remembered that her father had contacts with nobles who took advantage of him, as seen when Arke returns home and the butler tells her that a merchant with a nobleman has come to sell some things. Arche then decides not to give anything more to her father, so for her her mission was just a way to earn a lot of money immediately, which is not easy with the father around. Regarding being an adventurer, in chapter 20 of overlord second half it is said that Arche was first an adventurer and then a worker". If this lore is still valid, with the news on the fact that the guild is not good for jircniv's reforms, as for example, the army that takes care of the weakest monsters means that a low-ranking adventurer not only doesn't earn much but can't even rise in rank. So it wouldn't surprise me if Arche became a worker because she didn't earn enough in the guild. Fluder speaks well of her but then why didn't he look for her in all the time she was away. We know that the purge was implemented 7 years before and Arche meets foresight about two years before. So there are at least two years in which fluder could have looked for her. Arche instead thought she wasn't that special as we see when she thinks that ofresight will kick her out because of her background.
Spoiler, she had no talent. She was just a hard worker. Regarding her talent, there is nothing special. Then, curious how you talk about foresight who could meet innocent people but you don't say anything about jricniv, who knew that ainz lived there and therefore he thought of sending mercenaries there to attack him. Then however you have Roberdyck, perhaps the kindest of the group and who helped orphans and the sick. I don't think there are any others like it.
- Regarding Climb, is there ever anything that would make him think that Renner is crazy?
- Regarding the point about life, many more "virtuous" works are sold precisely because real life sucks and therefore people want to get away from it for a while. Then, most of the time in the plots the protagonists end up well in one way or another and in Overlord it is no exception. Indeed, in overlord you don't even see them working to achieve anything as they have to make little or no effort, which is not in any way inspiring for a person reading. Yes, it's interesting to visit new worlds but in my opinion that's all there is to it. In fact, I think that Overlord is interesting more for its novelty, even if there were similar stories like the video game Overlord or King of the Dead.
gonna be bingeing on overlord audiobook releases from this passed year all december & this channel
For me the appeal of Overlord is to see the endlessly cruel and corrupt people of the new world be put in their place by the unstoppable power of Nazarick. Nazarick can't be reasoned with, can't be outsmarted, and sure as hell can't be defeated in combat. Reminds me of a quote attributed to Genghis Khan: "If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you."
The best episode you have ever made ❤ well done
the amazing thing about this story is there is no plot armor, nobody is immortal and all will pass..
Besides Nazrick everyone got some 9 way to come back to life but everyone got else nope
There is simply no need for plot armor as it is useless as the protagonists are too strong. He imagines if Luffy had Nika's powers from the beginning along with the fully learned haki. There would have been no difficulty.
Tuare is maybe the only one that didnt do anything wrong. She kinda of just exist and take L's until she became a maid.
Harmlessesness should not be mistaken for moral virtue. Ability to do harm combined with not doing harm is virtue
I love the Overlord characters and think they are great.
Seeing an image of shatkura haruno while you talk about generic characters fills me with joy 😂😂😂😂
However the memory of Touch Me, and by extension Sebas, could be considered a moral compass turned to good. There is a reason why him and Demiurge don't see eye to eye.
Mare does not seem bad due to his personality, but under his polite exterior, he is like Aura, morally indifferent to humans at best.
Niña, Tsuare, Enri, Nfirea, Zanac, Hamsuke seem to me closer to the so called good due to their actions, but not too much.
We did not know enough of Caspond at all pre-Döppelganger.
The rest are all bad or morally grey -- I mean, Nigredo (and Pestonya) gives humans two years' worth of attention at best 😂
the closest thing to completely good characters we get are sebas and touchme
sebas is still completely loyal to ainz, and will do any evil if commanded
and we only see touchme like twice, so nowhere near enough to understand his personality
Believe me , I never felt sorry for those people who were perished by Ainz , i knew it this is the case ! The moment i saw gagaran is a despicable serial R and everyone knows about her and chose to not care ! The blue rose members are the worst!
Well this goes to show that being good is subjective
How about Lakyus?
Maybe Climb is the only good guy, which is why someone pure evil like renner is si attracted to him.
Naive, dumb and unkowingly contribuded to the destruction of a nation, had every chance to see renner for what it was and actively ignore it. Ignorance is also a crime
it's more good roberdyck.
excellent essay video good sir
In many stories, there are no good characters. But it's conveniently ignored by both people and audience
Great video
I consider it a good thing.
i got sick of the few good characters like stronoff in this show if the MC was one i would have dropped it , this is why i hate 90% of anime leaders of countries are not good people & the thing they do to hold power are pure evil
Zaryusu Shasha laughs at you
I don't know using the initial war against Ainz as a way to solve the overpopulation crisis his race was facing doesn't seem like a good guy kind of thing.
All the good complex characters die 😭
the only good character is entoma..... don't you just want to feed her?
I usually agree with your vids, but you didnt say anything to show asha wasnt innocent. You blamed her for her parents actions? Thats ridiculous. And gave examples of what her team might have done, with no examples from the source material to back it up, other than they were mercanaries?
The paladin on their team was only a merc, because he refused to charge people for heals. You can have plenty of reasons to not work with the confines of the establishment without it being because youre a murder hobo.
Definitely not your best work here.
Workers are way less inclined to be goody-goody, though Foresight was definitely one of the less dubious groups.
Even then, Arche became a Worker to essentially commit tax evasion, nevermind the red tape- for every job she did on her level she would have gotten peanuts from the Adventurer Guild. Workers are dubious by nature- they get jobs that are usually too dubious or implicating for adventurers to take, which goes back to the high pay.
@@NeutralKirbyis tax evasion really Evil? Or Just self defense...
@@NeutralKirby If you're interested, I wrote in a comment of mine a little while ago.
all the anime only people mad about her fate being mercifully killed by shaltear on Ainz orders have no idea what she went through in the original she had it 10000000x better in the LN and anime. to be honest had i been in her shoes i would have shown him my worth and ask for mercy offer him a fair deal. he let me go get my sisters to safety in a place i know they will be ok and taken care of properly then willingly return to him to show i keep my word even knowing I'm going to my more then likely horrible end. this will likely speak to his human side and may give me a better option. but that is my thinking.
In the WN she was punished, but later on she had a happy life with her sisters. On the long run maybe It would have been worth it
Ainz didn't say to just kill her but to make her fall into despair first. Furthermore, it is foolish to think that Ainz was even right in the slightest to behave that way when it was all because of her. Then, I want to remind you that she is the only character with a background and a sad story that ends badly. this is why people, even if to a small extent, empathize with us. I say minimal because she is perhaps one of the most shitless characters of all. It doesn't surprise me since many fans criticize the character and anyone who tries to say "I feel sorry for her" not to mention that the fact that he was eliminated immediately in the gatch game, without a single unit available and without advertising, makes me think that he does I'm disgusting to everyone.
The only good guys is well lets not talk about climbs fate
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Lakyus? what makes her "bad character" what evil she did? or Gazef? pls do not tell me soldier kills=EVIL!!! pls.
You could argue Gazef's unwillingness to defect was bad because he could've saved more lives if he had. Instead, his loyalty to the king/kingdom led him to willingly sacrifice more lives. Yes he sort of made up for it by dueling Ainz, but that resulted in him not being around to help the king when the kingdom fell to the sorcerer kingdom.
As for Lakyus, apparently there is some stuff in the manga that makes her less "good".
Without the Theocracy, as hard as it sounds Menkind can#t survive, so either the theocracy can extermintate demihuman villages or they will eventually conquer humanity. But Laykus, out of a missplaced sense of justice interfeared with the Sunlight Scripture, hence why its leader hat this scare. Don't get me wrong, the extermination units of the theocracy are not the good guys, but Laykus interference with the Sunlight Scriputres work might cost lifes down the line. Also the raid on the narc farm in season two entailed many civilian casualties, that blue roses had to just accept.
You know what I hate about this series, the main character and all of his crew.
The entire show is cruelty for the sake of cruelty so the most sick individuals can live out their fantasies vicariously through the show. It became so f****** redundant and stupid that he forgot the original goal he set out on. More than likely he ended up killing all his friends avatars and didn't even notice. What's even more hilarious is he can't f****** accept the blame, what did you think would happen if you threatened to eradicate the entire population constantly with immense torture, bloodshed, and cruelty that can sometimes be borderline rape. Well obviously they're going to go batshit insane and do whatever they can in an attempt to survive even if it means becoming depraved themselves. This isn't because they magically chose to suddenly, no this is because the MC became a dark force that is inevitable choosing not to be reasonable but to scar people into madness thus causing madness to spread then proceeding to blame the people for the madness that he himself caused.
F****** brilliant its Joe Biden but with dark magic in a midevil time.