@@timdaniel7745 Tim! Thanks so much, hope you’re well. 🙏🏻 I love going down the technical rabbit holes like this. I plan on doing more soon for sure! Likely comparing real consoles to the plugin consoles. In a very similar fashion. Cheers!
The way I use all of my third party amp sims to get Hi-Z load on the guitar is run the fender tweed in the “turned off” mode in the unison slot with my guitar plugged into hi-z on front then run the amp sim in the DAW or another UA amp sim on the aux channel and record the aux channel in the daw. But I just literally leave the Fender Tweed in that slot turned to off position.
Hi Steve, very informative video, thanks for taking the time to create and share! I am new to the interface/DAW world and trying to figure out how to dial in great electric guitar tone for recording! I am currently running a stereo setup on my pedalboard (UA Enigmatic -> Strymon Timeline -> Strymon Big Sky -> Pinstripe DISO+) into the back XLR inputs of an Apollo Twin X Quad. I am very happy with my tone in the room running directly into FRFR cabs and also run through PA in live setting. However, there is some tone-suck happening (only word I can think of to describe it is "harsh") when running through UA Console/Logic Pro - any problems with the current signalchain/setup that you suspect may be causing this?
@@ToneNerds_Guitar and just so I’m clear, you’re saying listening through your live PA speakers, tone rocks - but then going from playback in logic, it’s not as good?
@@TheSteveKinney that is correct…when I run directly from DISO+ to FRFR, sound great. When running from DISO+ through interface/DAW to headphones or monitors, something is off.
@@ToneNerds_Guitar That makes a lot of sense. 1. Those speakers would have their own frequency response, we don't know what that response is... plus it's pushing air. Which is always gonna sound better than headphones. 2. your headphones and speaker monitors for your interface have a completely different frequency response, so it's gonna color it in a different way. 3. If you have a master bus chain in logic, you're now running that signal, not only through a different speaker system that responds different, but your running it through other processing, coloring the sound differently again. Generally speaking, your turn off all processing in your DAW, so you hear what is actually printed or committed to the wav file. That doesn't lie.... your speakers do. I'd trust the wav more than that cab. but you also might wanna look up the frequency response of whatever your headphones or monitors are, just so you have a clearer picture of how you're sound is getting colored by those. Hopefully all this makes sense. Cheers!
@@WinItReigns I have been making some videos on the Universal audio channel. But the truth is: I’m absolutely SWAMPED with projects at the moment. I’m building my commercial studio space at my house. (this will be a video, and plenty of videos) I have a bunch of client work that I’m catching up on. I’m also working on a course, and new products / presets and converting my existing presets to track presets for Luna.
I guess you have a rack mounted Apollo with two hi-z inputs? Try Strymon Deco. Plug your guitar into the Deco (or into TC Electronic Mimic or Keeley 30ms double tracker or stereo chorus) and then stereo into both hi-z inputs. You get to use two channels in the UA Console at once and you can use the same or different amps sims in each channel. Sounds absolutely fantastic.
You could 100% go that route too. More DSP intensive of course. That’s a good call though! The point of this video was to find a different approach for mono guitars to utilize the stereo features of some plugins. Brilliant approach though. It’s like the ultimate way to do it lol cheers!
Thank you for watching!! Without viewers I'd be no where, so thank you for your support and I hope I keep making videos that are interesting to watch. Cheers!
Hi Steve. I know it’s a bit off topic. But I could’nt help to notice you got so many insert points on each channel in your Console.app? Mine has only got 4 insert point. Is there some way to change this? It does’nt look like Luna in the beginning or? Maybe it is Luna, and then it’s just me. I don’t use Luna. Thanks, and Thanks for your good educating videos. Cheers.
@@TheSteveKinney If you were to record from a pedal, capable of Stereo out, plug to both Hi-Z, separate channels sure but group them & pan, wouldnt that be the same thing ? The pedal does the splitting, may be not "true" stereo from many pedals but people do that into amp cabinets. So we would be doing the same here, just simulated cabinets.
@@ingolfurthorvaldsson7653 what I was demonstrating was how to get a stereo sound in console to track into your DAW with a mono source. I only used the stereo pedal to split the signal to demonstrate the null test with Unison on the front of the Apollo vs the back. Hopefully that makes sense. Additionally it was to also show how to keep from using two instances of the plugin. Hopefully that makes sense, it’s a very specific problem to solve. Of course - the way you describe would work as well - but that’s also in the scenario of using a stereo pedal for your input sound. Which is also important to recognize! Great point brotha! Cheers!
Haha yeah this is not going to work if you're like me, using a Solo 😅 Fortunately, we don't have to use the Fender to get the impedance mojo, like Drew pointed out in one of their Office Hours. You can use a plugin like TS808 in the Unison slot, and as long as it is on - or off (with the power cord attached of course) - it is active and will still give you the same result!
@@davidgardell I use an Arrow at home/on the road, but have an X8 and Twin in my studio. I'm not a fan of any of the UAD amps but use the Friedman, 2203, and Herbert when I don't have my fractal with me, or the Neural DSP plugs. UA really needs to up their amp game and needs to make an IR Loader plugin.
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Hey great video love it. Congrats on your 1k subs
@@timdaniel7745 Tim! Thanks so much, hope you’re well. 🙏🏻
I love going down the technical rabbit holes like this. I plan on doing more soon for sure! Likely comparing real consoles to the plugin consoles. In a very similar fashion.
Cheers!
More guitar-focused UAD vids please 🙇🏻♂️ 🙏
Dude right on! I could get down with that for sure.
Cheers brotha! And thanks for watching!
The way I use all of my third party amp sims to get Hi-Z load on the guitar is run the fender tweed in the “turned off” mode in the unison slot with my guitar plugged into hi-z on front then run the amp sim in the DAW or another UA amp sim on the aux channel and record the aux channel in the daw. But I just literally leave the Fender Tweed in that slot turned to off position.
Love it. Great stuff!
Very interesting topic. Thanks for the video Steve! I found it really useful and enjoyable.
Awesome mate !
Great to see you pop up in the comments again Mate, cheers brotha!
Why not use one instance of your amp sim and add your stereo effects to the aux and just record the aux to a stereo channel in your daw?
Definitely one way of doing it. And I do use this technique.
The main thing is that I’m using unison on both sources which is cool.
Amazing!
Hi Steve, very informative video, thanks for taking the time to create and share! I am new to the interface/DAW world and trying to figure out how to dial in great electric guitar tone for recording! I am currently running a stereo setup on my pedalboard (UA Enigmatic -> Strymon Timeline -> Strymon Big Sky -> Pinstripe DISO+) into the back XLR inputs of an Apollo Twin X Quad. I am very happy with my tone in the room running directly into FRFR cabs and also run through PA in live setting. However, there is some tone-suck happening (only word I can think of to describe it is "harsh") when running through UA Console/Logic Pro - any problems with the current signalchain/setup that you suspect may be causing this?
@@ToneNerds_Guitar are your plugins in console set to UAD Rec mode? That way your full signal chain is recorded into logic?
@@TheSteveKinney yessir
@@ToneNerds_Guitar and just so I’m clear, you’re saying listening through your live PA speakers, tone rocks - but then going from playback in logic, it’s not as good?
@@TheSteveKinney that is correct…when I run directly from DISO+ to FRFR, sound great. When running from DISO+ through interface/DAW to headphones or monitors, something is off.
@@ToneNerds_Guitar That makes a lot of sense.
1. Those speakers would have their own frequency response, we don't know what that response is... plus it's pushing air. Which is always gonna sound better than headphones.
2. your headphones and speaker monitors for your interface have a completely different frequency response, so it's gonna color it in a different way.
3. If you have a master bus chain in logic, you're now running that signal, not only through a different speaker system that responds different, but your running it through other processing, coloring the sound differently again.
Generally speaking, your turn off all processing in your DAW, so you hear what is actually printed or committed to the wav file. That doesn't lie.... your speakers do.
I'd trust the wav more than that cab.
but you also might wanna look up the frequency response of whatever your headphones or monitors are, just so you have a clearer picture of how you're sound is getting colored by those.
Hopefully all this makes sense.
Cheers!
Why arent you making videos anymore?!
You did a great job for all things UA😊
@@WinItReigns I have been making some videos on the Universal audio channel.
But the truth is:
I’m absolutely SWAMPED with projects at the moment.
I’m building my commercial studio space at my house. (this will be a video, and plenty of videos)
I have a bunch of client work that I’m catching up on.
I’m also working on a course, and new products / presets and converting my existing presets to track presets for Luna.
I guess you have a rack mounted Apollo with two hi-z inputs? Try Strymon Deco. Plug your guitar into the Deco (or into TC Electronic Mimic or Keeley 30ms double tracker or stereo chorus) and then stereo into both hi-z inputs. You get to use two channels in the UA Console at once and you can use the same or different amps sims in each channel. Sounds absolutely fantastic.
You could 100% go that route too. More DSP intensive of course.
That’s a good call though! The point of this video was to find a different approach for mono guitars to utilize the stereo features of some plugins.
Brilliant approach though. It’s like the ultimate way to do it lol cheers!
Super niche stuff but right up my alley:)
It's such a rabbit hole. But I thought it was a unique trick I figured out.
Thank you for these videos
Thank you for watching!! Without viewers I'd be no where, so thank you for your support and I hope I keep making videos that are interesting to watch. Cheers!
Hi Steve. I know it’s a bit off topic. But I could’nt help to notice you got so many insert points on each channel in your Console.app? Mine has only got 4 insert point. Is there some way to change this? It does’nt look like Luna in the beginning or? Maybe it is Luna, and then it’s just me. I don’t use Luna. Thanks, and Thanks for your good educating videos. Cheers.
Hey mate! All good - yeah it’s Luna for sure.
When you open it - it takes over console and runs in the background.
Ah I see. Thanks for your answer. 😊
Hmm shouldn't UA just make it possible to record in stereo from the Hi-Z input on the front? Yes!
Not gonna lie, it would be nice lol
@@TheSteveKinney If you were to record from a pedal, capable of Stereo out, plug to both Hi-Z, separate channels sure but group them & pan, wouldnt that be the same thing ? The pedal does the splitting, may be not "true" stereo from many pedals but people do that into amp cabinets. So we would be doing the same here, just simulated cabinets.
@@ingolfurthorvaldsson7653 what I was demonstrating was how to get a stereo sound in console to track into your DAW with a mono source.
I only used the stereo pedal to split the signal to demonstrate the null test with Unison on the front of the Apollo vs the back.
Hopefully that makes sense.
Additionally it was to also show how to keep from using two instances of the plugin.
Hopefully that makes sense, it’s a very specific problem to solve. Of course - the way you describe would work as well - but that’s also in the scenario of using a stereo pedal for your input sound. Which is also important to recognize!
Great point brotha! Cheers!
Unfortunately the Fender amp takes up an entire DSP chip.
Fender amp is definitely a bear.
Haha yeah this is not going to work if you're like me, using a Solo 😅 Fortunately, we don't have to use the Fender to get the impedance mojo, like Drew pointed out in one of their Office Hours. You can use a plugin like TS808 in the Unison slot, and as long as it is on - or off (with the power cord attached of course) - it is active and will still give you the same result!
@@davidgardell I use an Arrow at home/on the road, but have an X8 and Twin in my studio. I'm not a fan of any of the UAD amps but use the Friedman, 2203, and Herbert when I don't have my fractal with me, or the Neural DSP plugs. UA really needs to up their amp game and needs to make an IR Loader plugin.
the guitar is too quiet! it should be as loud as your voice plz
I’ll let my editor know, thanks for watching and the support! Cheers!