The person responsible for editing these videos deserves a freaking reward. I am re-watching many of your videos multiple times a month just for the insane editing and the incredible music. Pure perfection.
Amazing video as always, hardly any flaws, but the one thing I will REALLY miss is the voice-intro's you did like with Ragnaros, BWD and Dragon Soul.. The voice-acting and epic building music always got me with Paragon. Can you bring that back please? :
It's intimidating how cleanly this is performed, in comparison to other empress heroic kills, this one is the neatest. Add phases are so perfect it's out of this world in comparison to BL and Methods'.
I think they had someone back then who did the videos who's not with them anymore. And he simply knew how to work with music. Everything after Ragnaros hc is just fraps with random music and bam rendered.
does anyone know what addon Lappe (the resto druid) is using that tracks his buff? It's to the right of his character, and it looks like DBM bars but they're tracking buffs.. Thanks in advance!
Hey Fraggoji, would you be so kind to upload a list of all ur addons u r using right now?! I love ur ui. greetings from germany and keep going on with that good work
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very nice video :) I love this contrats between the calm of the music and an epic fight ^^
i agree with you in the points that the fights are still the same length and have the same things, however, with 25 man, you also have to look out for things such as gearing up, and placements around the room. there are fights where if you stand a certain distance away from other people you could kill and wipe the raid. when in 10 man there is a lot more area to move around in and work with. so 25 man is still fairly tough
Hi, i have 2 questions. Firstly, what kind of a number indicating the bottom of the interface. if it is the revenge, which is the name of the addon thanks for the answer
Dream Paragon is amazing. They do not rave about world firsts like other guilds we know (Blood Legion, etc.). I really love you Paragon!! Keep up the great work! And get them world firsts in 5.2!!! GL!!
Thats correct. I said this too. But its not okay to say that 25 ist harder than 10 man and 25-man-versions are the "real" progress. Its both completely different and every version has its harder part (do you say it this way in english ?). So its hard difference between them. I think blizzard should get greater plattforms and harder 25 bosses so it would be more balance between the two modes.
And i think from watching the full video, the Music made the fight seem easy if that makes sense, But i know i will never encounter this fight on heroic.
You probably did it at 35% debuff on bosses then, because pre-nerfs, a lot of guilds were doing it with 4 healers, there is a huge difference between doing a boss fight pre-nerfs and post-nerfs.
Thats why 14/15 of the top guilds are all 25man, even the guilds in those 14 who run alt 10mans have said alot of the fights are simply more challenging in 10man. As you no longer can have every class in a 10man. Some utility or cooldown could be lost. But either way world first is world first.
They did away with that for a reason. It forced 25man progression guilds to raid 10man, and it made recruiting harder for because the 25man loot was significantly better than 10man.
I wanna make a better explanation for you. Blizzard nerfed 10 man mode of ToT cause Bosslife relation was not as planned 1/3 of 25 man version. So imagine you have a boss with 30m life in 10 mode it will have 90m in 25-mode right ? so in 10 mode you have 5 dd's to nuke 90m life that must be 15 in 25-man version right ? that means you have 8 healers. But you only need 6-7 that means 1-2 DPS FOR FREE! that players could hang around doing nothing to get 25 as hard as 10-mode
Our guild made World Last on Sire Denathrius. We recorded Paragon and Exorsus-like music video. If you like this kind of content (good music + boss lines + nerdscreams), you can watch it: th-cam.com/video/O3dTzk93OPU/w-d-xo.html
While i agree. This should be considerd a world first. 25mans Are still and always will be harder from a raiding perspective, to get 25 well cordinated and realible , often u need 30 raiders. and Thats why paragon switched to 10man, because they lost so many of there raiders after DS that they wouldnt of been able to do as well in the 25man as previous teirs.
More dps per player equals more output needed per player. 10's just aren't on par with 25's in difficulty. Not to mention having to stay at range of other people as many encounters need. You must be new to raiding if you think 10's have an average lower ilvl. Less people=less of a chance of people still running around in previous tier or blues. More loot per player means little.
It is great to see that Blizzard finally stopped diminishing the value of 10 man raids. Some of fights will always be harder on 25 while other on 10 man mode, but in general 10 man is as challenging as 25! Therefore, only jelly people can say that this world first does not count! Grats on kill, I enjoyed every sec of video!
If that's true then how come paragon is the only guild who gets overall world 20 or something kills. Usually it's paragon followed by 15-20 25 man guilds.
It's not about beeing fanboy or not. Unless you've raided HC on both 25 / 10 i don't think you should be able to definite say one is easier/harder or more prestigefull to do. 25 Has it's Pros / Cons while 10 has theirs. In general 10 will always be harder then 25m just due to the lack of numbers and the fact that the room for error is 33% smaller then in 25m.
Is this the same world top raiding guild that run several raid teams to gear up different alts, and are then able to switch around thier comp to make encounters more doable? This is the reason why 10man is harder on some encounters, it's a split since the start of Cata, & was common knowledge that 10man was harder in T11. Not every guild has the luxury to be able to run another alt team to do what these guilds do. 25man teams had the advantage of always having enough interupts, buffs, cc etc.
No I'm sorry I've raided raided both 25-10 heroic content. Still raiding atm, progressing on heroic Empress. In 10man on progression if u lose a healer or dps early on it's pretty much a wipe, 25 man this not the case. It's split quite evenly as was proven in Cata depending on the fight. Eg. Heroic Lei Shi 25 is MUCH easier than 10man, same for Windlord and a few others. Where 25 man gets harder is organizing raiders, and encounters with a more confined space that requires alot of movement.
It doesn't look as epic because they're 4 healing a fight designed to be healed by 3 - that's how good their DPS is. it's a lot more hectic otherwise. Unless Jhazrun is playing shadow and I can't see him mind flaying. (Lappe is normally boomkin).
10 Man is harder at one side there is no room for mistakes you can't have any one dead to beat enrage timers etc. At 25 man you can lose 3-4 people and still beat encounter 25 man is just harder to organise.
prob a combination i dont know for me its the bosses fx the bosses in firelands where epic while the bosses in MoP for me atleast is kinda meh just bugs
It's definitely the music and the lack of nerd screams. I could also use the fact that 25m = a lot more shit going on, but i wont since i don't want to start a 10vs25 debate.
I have raided 10 and 25 H in the top heroic progression guilds and can easily say 25man is the harder version. How ever, 10 man raids are still hard, but in my opinion should not be given world first over 25 mans seeing that if the same raiders from a 25man H guild were doing a 10 man they would do it much faster, that is all.
My brilliant diction is truly lost upon you. However, I never played Burning Crusade or Vanilla and I started at Wrath. And I'm still on wrath, never left since... I just found private servers.
Dear Paragon, please return to the raiding scene. The game needs you. Badly.
Paragon can't change so bad present WoW. Sadly.
The person responsible for editing these videos deserves a freaking reward. I am re-watching many of your videos multiple times a month just for the insane editing and the incredible music. Pure perfection.
totally agree, I love the editing
still watch this now and then... love it.
Fantastic music
u guys will be missed, im sad :'(
It's the UI and the music, where did all the golden hans zimmer music go and the ability to hear the boss RP screams was great
Amazing video as always, hardly any flaws, but the one thing I will REALLY miss is the voice-intro's you did like with Ragnaros, BWD and Dragon Soul.. The voice-acting and epic building music always got me with Paragon. Can you bring that back please? :
i come here for the music nowadays :D Great choice!
I got to agree with you there. I think it is a mix of the UI and the music. But it is really nice to see a POV of Fraggoji. Still a nice video.
It's intimidating how cleanly this is performed, in comparison to other empress heroic kills, this one is the neatest. Add phases are so perfect it's out of this world in comparison to BL and Methods'.
Got this info from Paragons forums -> Tank UI discussion
Bartender (action bars)
WeakAuras (tracking all the buffs & debuffs)
BigWigs (bossmod)
Prat (chat)
Omen Threat Meter (threat meter)
OmniCC (cooldown tracker for action bars)
Shadowed Unit Frames (unit frames)
SexyMap (a better looking minimap)
Tidy Plates:Threat Plates (nameplate add-on)
TipTac (tooltip add-on)
SatrinaBuffFrame (hiding blizzard's default buff frames)
MikScrollingBattleText (combat text)
Grid (raid frames)
Not one, but two Thomas Bergersen pieces. I'm ecstatic!
I think they had someone back then who did the videos who's not with them anymore. And he simply knew how to work with music. Everything after Ragnaros hc is just fraps with random music and bam rendered.
does anyone know what addon Lappe (the resto druid) is using that tracks his buff? It's to the right of his character, and it looks like DBM bars but they're tracking buffs.. Thanks in advance!
Hey Fraggoji, would you be so kind to upload a list of all ur addons u r using right now?! I love ur ui. greetings from germany and keep going on with that good work
very nice video :) I love this contrats between the calm of the music and an epic fight ^^
Will always love you guys!
Two steps from hell - Lost in Las Vegas
It's a good one but the epic music suits you more.
i agree with you in the points that the fights are still the same length and have the same things, however, with 25 man, you also have to look out for things such as gearing up, and placements around the room. there are fights where if you stand a certain distance away from other people you could kill and wipe the raid. when in 10 man there is a lot more area to move around in and work with. so 25 man is still fairly tough
can somebody tell me the add on for his vengence buff?the thing on the buttom of his screen
This Encounter became simplified before that World First - So be it. Congratulation.
Where´s Lazeil , did he quit or something . Miss him
I would like to see ur recount or a link to WoL lappe.
Hi, i have 2 questions.
Firstly, what kind of a number indicating the bottom of the interface.
if it is the revenge, which is the name of the addon
thanks for the answer
He uses (I think) shadow unit frame, tellmewhen; bartender; and grid for his UI .
Can someone tell me the name of the first song please?
Dream Paragon is amazing. They do not rave about world firsts like other guilds we know (Blood Legion, etc.). I really love you Paragon!! Keep up the great work! And get them world firsts in 5.2!!! GL!!
What is his action bar add on called??
what was that giant thing at the end?
Go on their website, there is a section about players's UI
Yeah! World first LFR is something to be really proud of!!
The casual era already began with the release of LFR
I'm an american and i love blood legion but Paragon has been number one guild in the world soo many times you gotta respect them.
The music in this one's Fantastic!!
Paragon actually wrote an artical about how much easier 10 m is that 25 m and I would like to point out up until mop they were a 25 m guild.
I like how he hesitate to press the Charm Coin Roll.
Thats correct. I said this too. But its not okay to say that 25 ist harder than 10 man and 25-man-versions are the "real" progress. Its both completely different and every version has its harder part (do you say it this way in english ?). So its hard difference between them. I think blizzard should get greater plattforms and harder 25 bosses so it would be more balance between the two modes.
Was Lappe Resto spec or could Boomkin spec heal that well in MoP?
+Luke Deans Because this fight required 4 healers
+Luke Deans He's resto here.
It's the lack of 15 other people in the raid.
Since 25-man is the one that counts?
Lappe playing Resto, like a boss.
And i think from watching the full video, the Music made the fight seem easy if that makes sense, But i know i will never encounter this fight on heroic.
You probably did it at 35% debuff on bosses then, because pre-nerfs, a lot of guilds were doing it with 4 healers, there is a huge difference between doing a boss fight pre-nerfs and post-nerfs.
Thats why 14/15 of the top guilds are all 25man, even the guilds in those 14 who run alt 10mans have said alot of the fights are simply more challenging in 10man. As you no longer can have every class in a 10man. Some utility or cooldown could be lost. But either way world first is world first.
i think the most epic videos, with the most epic music are those vom t11 and t12 content (sry my english is very bad :-P)
Whoever you are, Spe, you win the intertubes.
They did away with that for a reason. It forced 25man progression guilds to raid 10man, and it made recruiting harder for because the 25man loot was significantly better than 10man.
I wanna make a better explanation for you. Blizzard nerfed 10 man mode of ToT cause Bosslife relation was not as planned 1/3 of 25 man version. So imagine you have a boss with 30m life in 10 mode it will have 90m in 25-mode right ? so in 10 mode you have 5 dd's to nuke 90m life that must be 15 in 25-man version right ? that means you have 8 healers. But you only need 6-7 that means 1-2 DPS FOR FREE! that players could hang around doing nothing to get 25 as hard as 10-mode
I find it funny how the token at the end says 'YOU WON! 28gold50silver', Urm, im pretty sure thats a lose!
Nice choice of music! :)
Our guild made World Last on Sire Denathrius. We recorded Paragon and Exorsus-like music video. If you like this kind of content (good music + boss lines + nerdscreams), you can watch it: th-cam.com/video/O3dTzk93OPU/w-d-xo.html
While i agree. This should be considerd a world first. 25mans Are still and always will be harder from a raiding perspective, to get 25 well cordinated and realible , often u need 30 raiders. and Thats why paragon switched to 10man, because they lost so many of there raiders after DS that they wouldnt of been able to do as well in the 25man as previous teirs.
the music, too 'calm and smooth' for an epic fight
there were two 10 mans in TBC, zul'aman and karazhan.
More dps per player equals more output needed per player. 10's just aren't on par with 25's in difficulty. Not to mention having to stay at range of other people as many encounters need. You must be new to raiding if you think 10's have an average lower ilvl. Less people=less of a chance of people still running around in previous tier or blues. More loot per player means little.
Just look at Lappe's mana, he was completely oom. Basically all the healers
Of course. All of them count. 25man Heroic World's First is just harder than 10man Normal World's First.
for me Putricide 25hc vid and LK 25hc vid have the best music from all paragon vids :) but t11 and 12 are also nice
It is great to see that Blizzard finally stopped diminishing the value of 10 man raids.
Some of fights will always be harder on 25 while other on 10 man mode, but in
general 10 man is as challenging as 25! Therefore, only jelly people can say that
this world first does not count!
Grats on kill, I enjoyed every sec of video!
That moment, when you have to heal, and got no mana left.
Gz Method for clearig it all!!! 25-man is the real deal, if you don´t got the balls for it go 10-man!!!
Rofl. Have you even tried both 10 and 25 man? I can say that I have, and in this expansion 25 man is easier, in cata it was harder
Upload sha of fear kill please! :)
You know neither 25 or 10 man existed in vanilla, and that 10 mans didnt exist in TBC either, right?
If that's true then how come paragon is the only guild who gets overall world 20 or something kills. Usually it's paragon followed by 15-20 25 man guilds.
25 and 10man are not comparable whatsoever, both are completely different breeds.
There's a reason why 10's aren't taken as seriously.
that resolution too good
lappe playing resto? :(
It's not about beeing fanboy or not. Unless you've raided HC on both 25 / 10 i don't think you should be able to definite say one is easier/harder or more prestigefull to do.
25 Has it's Pros / Cons while 10 has theirs. In general 10 will always be harder then 25m just due to the lack of numbers and the fact that the room for error is 33% smaller then in 25m.
Power auras or Tellmewhen
Is this the same world top raiding guild that run several raid teams to gear up different alts, and are then able to switch around thier comp to make encounters more doable? This is the reason why 10man is harder on some encounters, it's a split since the start of Cata, & was common knowledge that 10man was harder in T11. Not every guild has the luxury to be able to run another alt team to do what these guilds do. 25man teams had the advantage of always having enough interupts, buffs, cc etc.
Loved the Lappe battletag after kill: "fu boss"
No? why would that be the only one that count? All of them count... From 10n to 25hc.
amazing, you have just beaten the hardest boss so far in game, here is your 28gold reward....o.O
No I'm sorry I've raided raided both 25-10 heroic content. Still raiding atm, progressing on heroic Empress. In 10man on progression if u lose a healer or dps early on it's pretty much a wipe, 25 man this not the case. It's split quite evenly as was proven in Cata depending on the fight. Eg. Heroic Lei Shi 25 is MUCH easier than 10man, same for Windlord and a few others. Where 25 man gets harder is organizing raiders, and encounters with a more confined space that requires alot of movement.
I think it's because of the music... and they used to add Boss sounds into their videos as well.
and.. oh god the music, it's just not fitting
Lost in Las Vegas - Two Steps From Hell
really 4 healers?
I don't understand any of this, but it know it's impressive. How does that work? I don't know.
It doesn't look as epic because they're 4 healing a fight designed to be healed by 3 - that's how good their DPS is. it's a lot more hectic otherwise. Unless Jhazrun is playing shadow and I can't see him mind flaying. (Lappe is normally boomkin).
Maybe it's because there is 15 less people on the screen.
that is completely wrong. Blood legion got WF 25 Empress, Method got WF 25 Will and Sha, Paragon got all 3 WF 10 man.
Exactly.
Yo dawg I heard you like Paragons
its mostly the fact that its 10m now, feels more like a 5 man dungen than an actual raid : /
10 Man is harder at one side there is no room for mistakes you can't have any one dead to beat enrage timers etc. At 25 man you can lose 3-4 people and still beat encounter 25 man is just harder to organise.
4 healers in 10 man, when was the last time it happened? O_O
prob a combination i dont know for me its the bosses fx the bosses in firelands where epic while the bosses in MoP for me atleast is kinda meh just bugs
Missö on teidän 25man HC videot :(
It's definitely the music and the lack of nerd screams. I could also use the fact that 25m = a lot more shit going on, but i wont since i don't want to start a 10vs25 debate.
WHY IS MY HEAD MOVING TO THE MUSIC!?!?
At the end... Rolling!... gold...
visions of demise, 10 players vs vision of demise, 25 players.
Enough said. Move along.
Paragon now and forever! Might be ten but they're still the best.
I have raided 10 and 25 H in the top heroic progression guilds and can easily say 25man is the harder version. How ever, 10 man raids are still hard, but in my opinion should not be given world first over 25 mans seeing that if the same raiders from a 25man H guild were doing a 10 man they would do it much faster, that is all.
I don't think you want the boss sound files for this boss ... go check some other guilds videos you'll see what i mean
Must been hard to get an world first in vanilla then
My brilliant diction is truly lost upon you. However, I never played Burning Crusade or Vanilla and I started at Wrath. And I'm still on wrath, never left since... I just found private servers.
I actually have nightmares about the number 28
Gratz!