Seeing more and more of my fellow content creators slowly realize the major issues I had with Wano as we were experiencing it week to week makes me feel more and more vindicated by the day. Act 2 still remains the ONLY portion of my 10 YEARS on TH-cam that I ever STOPPED covering the series for a prolonged period of time. In retrospect, the arc wasted so much time while simultaneously squandering so much opportunity. I still LOVE One Piece and I think (barring something like a Zombie Ace coming back to life to fight Akainu with Sabo in Final War) I will ALWAYS love it but it's BECAUSE I love it so much that I was so disappointed by the arc's end. Thankfully Egghead and the trajectory of Elbaf so far has started to wash away the sour taste I had at the end of Wano but I know it won't be as easy for some people to get over. Also my man's trying to be slick with the 200K edit in the subcription click at the beginning. I see you manifesting and love it! LOL🤣
Act 2 of wano was perfect. It is a slowburn with deep explorations of themes and character development. It is not for everyone especially for shounen fans who like non stop fighting. but don't blame Oda for your problems. The arc is a masterpiece. and it wouldn't be that good without the setup in act 2
@@KCtheMC buddy. One Piece is about themes and character development. if you want non stop fights go watch dragon ball. I don't respect your opinion nor his. simply because the act was objectively well-written even if it had minor issues. act 2 is basically the core of wano and one piece themes. if you think it is a waste of time then you are reading it wrong.
My personal crashout for Wano is the fact that Chopper spent an entire arc on an island of CHERRY BLOSSOMS and didn't even mention it ONCE. Oda straight up forgot his backstory.
Tbf iirc Chopper and the crew had been there a while by the time Luffy and the cameraman got there. So Chopper would have already reacted to it Edit: I did not, in fact, remember correctly
At this point chopper is just the mascot of the series. Thats why his points went from I'm gonna murder your family to I'm gonna give your family cuddles
@@1001011011010 That’s super lame and we can have Chopper mentioning it and seeing a flashback of his first reaction but I guess Oda just didn’t care enough
that's when normal mangaka start offing people, and sadly oda is quite good with deathscenes, but he wants a party after every arc so no death. (his words by the way)
My thoughts too TBH. Oda needs to sit down and realize that some characters don’t really matter that much. The scabbards for example really don’t matter outside of kinemon and the dukes. The rest of the guys are truly forgettable and bring nothing to the story outside of being bodies for fights. Same with some of the supernova and tobi roppo
It’s funny that everything jay didn’t like actually drove him to create a better brand for his channel. Agenda piece was born because of wano and has jump started your channel in new subscribers. Yes wano has it flaws but hey I couldn’t do better
It takes a lot of integrity to be critical of the media that pays your bills. Much respect. I don’t hate One Piece, but when people (especially content creators) act like it's flawless, it feels disingenuous
I feel like Wano was really pushed to be the "apex" of One Piece, like the arc that remember as one of greatest arcs in Shonen, based on its set-up pre-timeskip. ...But it really feels this arc suffers from a "Narrative Whiplash", where certain plotlines are resolved rapidly while others drag on for extended periods (even resolved outside the manga like the kurozumi nonese). Somehow this Arc felt "Too Fast and Too Slow" at the same time!
Ugh the SBS reveals are another huge gripe of mine with how Oda's been handling things. Especially the latest stuff with the rocky port incident being relegated to being "explained" in an SBS when it's been portrayed as this HUGE incident that boosted Koby's reputation and created this connection between him and Blackbeard. It being in the SBS makes it so the context behind their relationship is lost from the main story unless you read all these SBSs which is horrible storytelling.
@@GRizzle206 The Rocky Port in the SBS was the final straw on how much I don't give two shits about any other plotline that isn't involving the One Piece treasure itself
@@mistersureshot1749it's really a bummer because I've even stopped reading spoilers even though we're in elbaph I just have lost my passion for this series. Even Vegapunk's traitor and speech plotlines were so annoying and dragged out.
Film Red truly wasted Oda’s time. Forced him to rush Wano’s ending and then a random ass Shanks haki wank moment thrown in at the end just because he was relevant to the movie. Eggheads immediate difference in theme showed how bored Oda truly was because he just wanted to get OUT of that arc and stop drawing samurais.
@@GRizzle206 I kinda disagree. It leaves an air of mystery in the main series and feels a bit more realistic. Like in real life there's a lot of stuff about politics/history in other countries/regions most people really know hardly anything about unless it gets briefly mentioned in the news because of some incident relating to it. It's like that in the story, while we were focusing on the straw hats a LOT of stuff in the world of one piece has been going on, basically. Makes the world feel bigger. Plus it'd take a lot of time to put all the details into the manga
Also the "Jinbei just showing up peachy keen after whole cake with no elaboration on the status of his crew" thing, thank you for bringing that up. That STILL annoys me, they got such a bombastic send off in such a dire situation. Not even addressed in the WCI cover story going on after Wano that showed how Germa got away, we just gotta assume that cause Jinbei's unharmed and i guess not traumatized in anyway everything's chill lol. So odd.
That was one of the things that bothered me as well. Like how you gonna show up after that whole thing and be all nonchalant about it? No scars no scratches anywhere. Mans stayed behind in that situation and came out unscathed. Ain't no way
I think it's hillarious how even Toei was fooled by Yamato. You can clearly see that they gave her a lot of extra scenes and screen time thinking that she would become a straw hat, just for her to say "nah, I'm not joining you guys, bye" at the end.
Wano is Oda setting up a lot of plot lines and only delivering on half of them, which is very uncharacteristic of him. He elaborated on plot lines that no one cared about and didn’t expand on plot lines people cared about
egghead is better than wano it's true, for example, egghead really has consequences, the real vegapunk dies, saturn dies for being useless, garling is a gorosei, mugiwaras "won" but it was an ending with casualties now in wano there were 2 yonkous and the ending had no impact and consequences, it's really a shame
@@celiomarins2640and WG successfully preserved mother flame(not punk records tho) but still, now we have a... suspended threat, that at any moment or at some critical point, WG can just throw another sun strike, any time anywhere. If this sht played right it can create one hell of a tension.
Zoro: *Basically dies and comes back to life after seeing the Grim Reaper* Never mentions it again. Hoping that actually goes somewhere and isn't a one off.
@@commonviewer2488 yes he did. the request was for vegapunk to help them get to shore instead of abandoning them and shipwrecking them in the ocean. please actually read the manga. in context of actually reading the chapters and not looking at one panel of zoro on Reddit, it's very obvious. Nami asks for a ride to shore. Vegapunk Lilith refuses. Zoro and Robin threaten Vegapunk Lilith and say "You're going to listen to our demands." Shaka tells Lilith "Zoro and Robin can literally kill you right now. Do what they're asking." Lilith then takes them to shore. This is the kind of stuff that makes people say "one piece fans can't read", because this was SO INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS and yet, thousands of hours of youtube videos were made about "What's Zoro's secret request????" hundreds of thousands of reddit posts "WHATS ZOROS SECRET REQUEST???!!" meanwhile it wasn't a secret, it was very, very obvious and clear and you got the answer to it IN THE SAME FUCKING CHAPTER
-Kinemon surviving -Kaido's LACKLUSTER backstory/flashback -the Numbers were just fodder -the CP0 guys were just underwhelming, the hype they had gotten since Dressrosa, like... ehm.. you could have switched them out with anyone.. -Zoros ties to Wano werent really needed especially since it wasnt really fleshed out at all (like why even include the few things?)
-Lurking legend -O lin -The kurozumi existing, only for kaido to just randomly pack up orochi just because (why even have them be a thing in the story in the first place? Kaido could've fulfilled 99% of their role, and absolutely nothing would've changed) -Kaido flashback and his ambitions at all: thinking he was joyboy initially, and his stark difference in personality during his flashback with king (gave serious BB vibes) but no explanation of him transitioning to a depressed drunk -Yamato buildup only for her to say 'lol jk'
Something I also want to add is why was there so much emphasis during Act 2 about gathering enough men? If by the end we got many allies with conqueror’s Haki who can easily knock out hundreds of fodder?
@@CoOlKyUbI96 That's the other thing. The haki stuff is kind of inconsistent in the story. A couple waves of conqueror's and you can knock out upwards of 60-75% of an army from the get go. Maybe as little as 40-50%, but even still, that's a huge portion. Same goes for observation. The whole Burgess thing stowing away on Sabo's ship and somehow, the most secretive, elusive, impossible to track down revolutionary army doesn't have someone who specializes in observation haki awareness taking roll call at the docks in baltigo to see if anyone snuck on board? I think Oda mostly uses haki from a combat standpoint (1v1s and small group fights (e.g. roofpiece)) and seldom thinks of its use in a practical sense outside of those scenarios (e.g. wiping out huge chunks of an army).
@@thebarbelllifestyle1478 GREAT point - the Observation Haki stuff especially bothers me. There are SO MANY TIMES where the story would go differently if characters with Observation Haki would...ya know, actually use Observation Haki.
I think what people misunderstand about Kaido is that his reverence of strength and honour comes is what ultimately causes his depression. As physically strong as he is, he doesn't have the strength in mindset to abide by the tenets that the people he respects so much had. He tries to commit suicide but doesn't actually do it in a surefire way. He tries to be honourable yet ends up defeating the opponents closest to him in strength through underhanded means. He says haki is everything for strength despite having one of the most overpowered devil fruits. Kaido's entire life is a lie that his mindset is powerless to rectify. Anyway good video I don't agree with every point but they were made very well. I understand where the video comes from despite having personally enjoyed Wano all the way through.
i thought it was more that he respects the likes of Roger, Whitebeard and Oden, but he doesn't really understand them or why people think greatly of them. people respect Oden because he brought prosperity to Wano and helped out some people who were pushed to the sides of life. people respect Whitebeard because he cared for his crew like family and helped his home. people respect Roger because he helped inspire a new age of piracy through his escapades. meanwhile, Kaido is none of those things, the only thing he shares is great strength, and even his idea of honour doesn't mean much more than simply being stronger and better at fighting than who he's facing
@thejuiceking2219 yeah i mean that's not entirely different to what I'm saying. He respects these legends for their honour, but believes that it comes purely from their strength so he just focuses on raw power, unable to comprehend the fact that it crumbles in comparison to the real shit Roger, Whitebeard, and Oden did. His inability to see this ends up inadvertently causing him a lot of grief in how he cannot become joyboy-esque no matter what height he reaches in his strength
I was hoping for a dedicated 2-3 at most chapter backstory showcasing Kaidos life and his mindset of might conquering all, and the inability to truly see the other mindsets like those pirate figures had. I feel so betrayed by the brief bits of his younger life only coming RIGHT AS LUFFY FINISHES HIM
The thing wit wano is when u start over from ep 1 n hit wano n watch it its A1 but we as long standing members of this verse remember it as it was week to week thats the issue yes wano even when starting from ep 1 has draw backs but I bet the same way everyone said skypia was trash till wano we say wano trash till x happens
Sanji getting a WHOLE arc about his backstory while Zoro gets an sbs and nothing in wano really pissed me off and they did the same shit with franky in egghead by not fleshing him out more with his ties to vegapunk
Franky stil had good moments tho as for Zoro i think it's better off we don't focus on his lineage Zoro don't need that he is a good character on his own
@@thejuiceking2219Hol up, mangawise , Dresssrosa had great pacing. When I binge read the entire series for the first time Dressrosa’s pacing was a breath of fresh air for me, so many things happening and pieces moving made the whole arc feel alive. Now if we’re talking about bad pacing let’s not ignore WCI, I had to stop reading the series for a few years so I could just speed read through that arc.
@ynam.2622 kind of ironic as hell for you to say the manga had good pacing when we're supposed to believe the ENTIRE ARC happened in a singular day in universe
Lets just put it like this Oda promised us a fruit cake, with lots and lots of mouthwatering FRUITS, but then started adding any other topic that wasn't a fruit Sure, nobody will complay for some chocolate, or honey, or whipped cream, but then he added cheese, and vegetables, and FRIED CHICKEN!? To the point where the fruit cake he promised us just...dissapeared, you might liked eating the part of the cake with gummy worms and beacon, but I, alongside many others, wanted to eat FRUITS in this FRUIT.CAKE. But hey, like Jay said, lets not talk about Wano anymore.
@@benjaminjara7312 what kind of BS is that ? Wano is like the most cohesive arc in fiction. Every single element adds something. We should talk a lot about wano. It is one of the most well-written and rich arcs in the whole medium
@@ChromaticEagleHave you noticed that all one piece TH-camrs who don’t criticize one piece have way more subscribers than those who dare to hate on one piece? It’s all about money. Creators like ohara or tekking want to have more subscribers and money. So they act like one piece is tue best manga ever
Oden felt like that guy you'd make in a character creator. The op self insert who gets to be on the whitebeard crew and on the rogers crew, but didn't serve as much more than a lens for the viewer to see these crews interact. Things just seemed to happen with him, he gets ferried to laugh tale, his wife just appears, then he has kids, and goes back to wano. He only gets somewhat interesting when he has to be a real character and interact with the nine scabbards, and you wish you had more of that. What exactly about him is interesting enough for Yamato to want to emulate?
Wrong, you'd still get out of touch libs desperately calling for T rights or some crap. They'd be a much smaller minority, but they're always in every fan group.
@@aetherblackbolt1301People thinking Yamato was trans is Oda's fault and no one else's, in the same arc with Kiku who's an actual trans character his terrible presentation of the pronoun bullshit and her horribly written identity crisis while never clarifying any of it is what made the discourse so awful, no one was right and no one ever agreed because of Oda's trash writing of the character. Also saying "out of touch" while being scared of gay people is crazy work
@rockstar-made Oda's poor writing is exactly the problem. Given that we have Kiku, as well as Ivankov with a literal devil fruit to let anyone change seggs, it should be clear that Oda is not subtle on these things, and that Yamato's struggles are not "clearly T representation". Common sense libs will be hesitant on that and wait to see what happens. I waited to see if Oda would, but he didn't. In the end he failed so hard in-story that he had to make a correction outside (in an SBS? I forget). The out of touch ones will throw away all rational thought and ignore any poor quality writing to jump at even the slightest chance to call a character T representation and immediately call to ostracise and suppress any one who called Yamato she/her. Having literal warmonger tyrant villains like Kaido follow it and showing that as reason why readers should is quite funny to be honest. And then the last bit is part of the misrepresentation I don't have patience for. Gay people are not Trans and you cannot lump them together. You will find 100s of millions of people that can integrate and live with gay people just fine but draw the line at Trans stuff. Namely because we don't have Ivankov-style devil fruits in real life, whilst the actual medical costs and effectiveness is predatory and used by medical corpos to make millions off of vulnerable individuals via lifelong treatment (as well as effectively sterilising them so they cant have children later if they change their mind). So until we have the scientific and medical advancements, this should not be encouraged or pretended to be viable.
@@aetherblackbolt1301 I don't disagree that there's people that jump on any opportunity to call characters X or Y but you can't blame anyone for doing it with Yamato when the story WANTED you to refer to her as he/him and as you said Oda isn't subtle at all with these things so this felt like another Kiku case for a lot of people, the story not only justified this line of thought but actively reinforced it until outside material kept coming out calling Yamato a female, it's literally just Oda's fault for his horrible execution of the character. And i don't know why you're going there but your argument is that transgender people can't exist if they don't pass or a magical Ivankov fruit doesn't exist?? What?? And what do you mean pretend to be viable when it's quite literally the ONLY treatment that leads to any sort of happiness because it's the only thing that actually addresses the issue they're having with themselves?? Sterilizing them on purpose??? Huh?? Brother you can just say you don't like them instead of making shit up and pretending you "care about vulnerable people" that you are actively against receiving the only treatment that actually works. Let people be free to do what makes them happy, that's the whole message of the pirate manga you're a fan of.
@@aetherblackbolt1301 it is perfect writing you are just slow. Yamato wants to be considered a man because Oden is a man. Kaido literally wants to save the world. Why would he care about yamato pronouns.
It was Dressrosa for me. Boy, did I hate that arc. But by the time Wano came around I recognized my feelings on Dressrosa and why I had felt that way, so it was easier for me to reckon with any negative feelings going forward. Not to discount anyone’s experiences or feelings, but I think being terminally online, constantly engaging with a slow moving story, and constantly interacting with an extremely varied fanbase causes serious brainrot. Jay has done well staying true to himself, but I think it’s easy to see how creators lose their mind and don’t experience these stories like regular readers.
Dressrosa was so much better when I re-read it all at once compared to that initial read. One Piece in general is a much smoother read when you binge it. I was so put off by Wano, I stopped reading for like a year. But then I got to read all of Egghead up to the start of the Luffy vs Kizaru fight and that was such an amazing experience it renewed my love for the series lol.
I think the problem with Dressrosa it was treating itself like it was WAY more of an important arc then it actually is lol Like it was important for them shaking stuff in the New World and gaining the armada. But at the same time, The Arc was treating itself like an epic spectacle, like it was Marineford 2.0, when it really just needed to focus on being a tight, impactful arc to set up the Straw Hats’ rise in the New World. Instead, it became a prime example of One Piece’s tendency to overindulge in its own world-building.
@@royalfun1031 I Love Doffy, but he isn't Final Boss Material, He is a back alley conniving Don/Drug Dealer with connections , so the moment Oda decided to turn this puppetmaster into a Physical tanky Boxer...I was left kind of Appalled.....
He got too much backlash. İt is generally not worth risking thousands of subs and income to rant, even if we know he really wishes to.(And did in the past)
Morj hasn't done it yet because he wants to make it as perfect as possible. No disrespect to Jay but people take Morj much more seriously in the community when it comes to analyzing the story. If Morj somehow makes a "dumb" point on that video, people are gonna flame him for ages and he could possibly lose his reputation as the youtuber who's arguably the best at analyzing Oda's writing on a large scale.
@FlyingDuck38 While it is true that Morj analysis are more well-put, the thing is he will get flamed even if he writes the greatest thesis on that video. If you are familiar woth wider OP fanbase, whatever great analysis,claims he puts forwards,gives perfect examples and criticisim, he will still get flamed and lose subs. Many fans don't even watch the vid before hotting dislike and unsubbing. Many will flame and give strawman comments or simply misinterpret Morj(intentionally or unintentionally). You overestimate average OP fan's ability to take criticism, or watch something and digest it. Even if Morj creates a Masterpiece of a video, he will still get flamed and ridiculed. This is an unfortunate truth of tje fanbase. It doesn't matter how good the content is, when the consumer's are at this state.
@@fy4072 While I agree with your point, it isn't what I meant. By "people" I meant those who are loyal to him & his content(constantly engage with his videos and streams). Nowadays most of Jay's 'loyal fanbase' thrive around his "Agenda Piece" content so an analytical criticism won't affect that much of his loyal viewers. While for Morj it's the opposite as nearly every one of his loyal viewers consume his content for analysis(I regard theories as analysis too since most of the time it requires analyzing) Morj doesn't seem to care about backlash that comes outside of his own fanbase, we've seen this constantly as he makes controversial takes in his streams & also during Reverie. The point is that it's more risky for Morj to drop a Wano analysis than Jay. Everyone knows Morj doesn't like Wano and he criticizes it a lot but if he slips something dumb he's gonna get backlash from his own loyal fanbase. Those who support him through patreon, watch most of his streams and donate money for him.
Wano was also by far the WORST place that community discussion had ever been in. Its better now that people have been able to sit on it but at the time much of the community was in a blind optimism phase and would not even entertain any sort of criticism. Cope was at an all time high
Between that, how long it was, and the Yamato discourse (about her joining the crew and the gender wars), I don’t think the fanbase has fully recovered even now.
@@miyamotomusashi6450I was seeing the same honestly. Like people saying that some of the chapters were a complete waste and a whole bunch of other stuff
COVID did irreparable damage to the wider animanga community because it caused this unsustainable hype train for everything with millions of new readers and writers and One Piece was one of the major victims of that growth because it was one of the largest franchises that was still ongoing. Its trickle down affected other series also like Demon Slayer, JJK, Spy x Family, and Tokyo Revengers.
TRUE THOUGH 💀💀💀💀manga piracy skyrocketed after pandemic, and toxicity became rampant. For example, the amount part 7 jojo glazers exploded like mitosis after the pandemic
My biggest problem with Wano is the focus. It feels like Oda spent too much time on things that didn’t matter and too little on things that did. Throughout the New World the strawhats had taken a bit of a backseat and I was looking forward to them being the main focus with a major storyline in Wano again which didn’t end up being the case.
@RaffDGoat yeah people too often get plot and fights mixed together. You can have a storyline during a fight and that's fine but when it's all fight and no storyline and said storyline is nowhere to be found then it becomes a problem. Cause it's just a fight and nothing more
@@darknesswave100 yes I agree, that’s what I feel like was lacking with fights in Wano. Not all of them tho, Sanji’s for example (Ch 1031 in particular) i would say was very well done.
You know when you're writing an essay but you don't brainstorm and just wing it and you have a bunch of cool ideas and branch off into different things but end up on a completely different point? That's unfortunately wano
@@RaffDGoat wait what ? Wano is one of the most concise arcs in the story. Everything mattered. Every plot-point and important character had deep focus. What are you talking about? Sanji-Robin-Nami-zoro-chopper were amazing and Luffy got his best arc in the whole series. There is nothing more that could be done with it
@iegendkilla8559 that basically it's trash and none of the stuff makes any kind of sense and the writer was stumbling around like a drunk the whole time. One of the things he mentioned was about how Erza specifically stated that every bone in her body was broken yet 3 seconds later she jumped into the air and cut a meteor. Stuff like that. I think he has a few videos on the channel where he completely eviscerated the series. It's a fun watch
My problem is that I’m now skeptical about the story. I don’t trust that it will finish well. I want it too, but it’s like a juggler that drops the balls, no matter how much he keeps them up there again, I’m always thinking he’ll drop them again.
@@RobertoSoler Nah. Wano was a masterpiece so it is normal to expect Oda to deliver the absolute best. Wano itself had some of the best moments in all of fiction
@@rockstar-made I did. I definitely read more stories than you. That’s why I can appreciate what One piece has done. Reading more stories only makes you realize how superior one piece is. So my advice is that you should read more stories and compare it to one piece. You will realize then that it is the best.
I still have faith in Oda. I'm not gonna let one mid arc ruin a nearly 30 year run. Egghead is fantastic when you don't have an agenda merchant yapping in your ear about how its trash because their favorite character got bodied or whatever. Genuinely fantastic arc. Also Elbaf has been pretty good so far.
I'll add on the damage he takes from Black Maria is Oda's way of showing how strong Sanji is as well. Bro gets up from the beating like nothing and goes to fight Queen, similar to Zoro breaking all his bones prior to facing King, it's just for hype pretty much
At least block one or two attacks don’t just stand there like a clown, especially after beating the shit out of your captain not too long ago on whole cake island.
@@daytonjob5519 A callback is not great story telling. That’s one thing I will never forgive sanji. His nakamas are risking their lifes and a in a war against the WG in Enies lobby or against not one but two Yonko in Wano and he is part of the monster trio. He is important for the fighting force of the strawhats. Nakama above all but not for sanji I guess. He beats the sh*t out of his captain in WCI but can’t fight women for his friends? Zoro would have killed him right there in WCI when he would have seen that. Luffy literally died in Wano and sanji is wasting his time. This was even worse in Enies lobby. He was couldn’t move and was lucky that somehow water got on his body. the strawhats are a yonko crew now and Sanji is supposed to be one of the two wings of the future pirate king but Luffys enemies just need to send a woman after sanji. That’s a major weakness in Luffys defense as a yonko. Not to mention that sanji is homophobic, transphobic and a sexist and don’t respect womens boundaries. He learnt to fly to escape gays and he want to be invisible in order to stalk women. Sanji is the worst. Even worse than Ussop. And that says a lot.
Hope you can read this Jay, but i just wanted to thank you, 3 yrs ago during act 2 of wano i completely stopped reading OP, but your reactions is what kept me excited to read on a weekly basis, and i haven't missed a reaction since. Absolutely love the content, the community, and the agenda❤
I think you’re misremembering things. In Act 2 we got Yasuie’s death. In Act 2 we got introduced to Queen properly, the same with King. I feel like you’re mixing Act 1 and 2 together Sanji calling for help was a good thing. It’s growth. Kalifa vs Sanji ended with Sanji genuinely being beaten and coming back by luck. Sanji and Black Maria had a different outcome because he asked for help. It’s not at his “expense.”Him relying on someone is a beautiful moment because he always wants to sacrifice himself in every arc. He hasn’t wanted to live for himself, until after WCI where he learns the same lessons Robin had during Ennies Lobby. It’s full circle for BOTH characters.
My brother, as always, it is a pleasure to listen to you speak your words with honesty and sincerity. Especially with the fantastic one liners that are sprinkled throughout 😂 I just wanted to let you know that I truly appreciate your perspective as someone who has opposing feelings of this very same arc. With that being said, you have no idea how many of these points I agree with 😭 to the point where it’s kind of scary how thin the line between the two sides of the same coin can be. I am excited for a potential discussion of this topic in the agenda reverie, specifically on the idea of honesty. Because just as there are many sides of the community that do not accept criticism, there are also sides of the community that are not willing to accept the idea that someone can like what they are criticizing and have that be an honest feeling rather than blind fanboyism. Always a pleasure my brother. Keep doing what you do!
Great video Jay! I'm glad you were able to fully express your feelings on Wano and the series as a whole and I can definitely agree that Wano had some dark moments. ZKK was a time for the history books LOL! I appreciate you bro and I hope you know your community will always support you and have your back so please continue to speak your mind no matter what the haters say! This is why we do this! To share our passions with others and have dialogue! Keep shining bro
after toki send everybody except her daughter to the future, hiyori could have trained with the samurai for 20 years.. imagine that story. left behind by parents in a country ruled by the people that killed them. trained hiyori could have been the epic shogun, but, she a girl
The what happened to the big mom pirates and the side miracle drug effect was just ugh wano's ending killed a lot of my joy for the story I've been reading for 6 years
@@Aliydbn yamato is a great character. Without here. Kaido’s beliefs in fatalism would be reasonable. Basically saying that Kaido is doomed by fate because he was born that way. Basically spitting on One piece core philosophy
had yamato just been yamato instead of oden, she would have been better i think, also in the whole one piece context of dreams, and freedom. just be yamato ^^
The first 6 minutes I've watched, you're thoughts are aligning so damn hard with mine. Character driven emotional moment are the reason I like the story to begin with, and I can put up with some jank/baggage because at the end of the day, I knew that there would be at least some really fantastic character writing that elevates the story. It's why the extended world building works so well, there's that core emotional focus to rein everything in, so you don't mind as much when Oda spends time on random side distractions. But Wano removed that element. Without that time spent hanging on any of the emotional moments and giving them real weight, it just feels like a shaky plot that exists only to continue making itself longer and longer for the sake of "epicness" or something. But not having that character focus gives you a lot of opportunity to look into things like the plot and writing and it just so happens that on that front, the arc also happens to have some of the worst in the series. And don't get confused, I don't feel like I'm asking for much here, I just kinda expect the bare minimum in regards to this. There are so many plot threads and things happening in Wano, but almost none of them have an extended character focus, it's just plot, plot, plot. But what I mean is, there are so many obvious things that could've been given focus, but instead, none of them are. Why not directly address the shunning of the Korozumi family for example? It would be such an easy thing to bring to the forefront and immediately raise the bar over what it is currently, but it isn't even something that would be earth shattering, it would be expected from One Piece. But in its place, there's just nothing, man. Years long story arc setting length records, has an amazing set up, and then completely flounders the second half. It manages to be both to fast paced and agonizingly slow at the same time. Like, we spend chapters and chapters of dozens of characters just running around, most of them being lucky to have a single line of dialogue every few months. So all of that time is used up, but never in that is there a moment to breath and slow down for characters to simply exist and take the focus for a few chapters. That's what killed the character focus. How am I supposed to feel attachment to a character when their role is in a single panel after months where they say "urgh" in the dialogue box? You just can't. It needs to pick a select few characters to focus on, and also, wisely choose how to focus on them. 99 percent of wano is just boxing matches, nothing else. And yes, it's a shonen battle manga, of course there's going to be a lot of fighting. But to tie it in to the beginning of the comment, that's what makes One Piece stand out to me. The fact that it can elevate a bit beyond just being fighting, and give satisfying character stories as well as fun battles. ...Uh, the end, or something lol. Anyway, time to watch the rest of the video.
Honestly wano is one of my favorite arcs but your thoughts here were all well thought out and I agreed with plenty of your points/still fully respected your opinions on the parts where I didnt. Looking forward to more of your thoughts going forward because even if i disagree, it only makes me enjoy those bits more by forcing me to address it all further. Thank you for the time and energy always 🙇🏽♂️
I feel it. My grievances are similar to yours, give and take a few. Wano curbed my expectations on the tone of the series with the pacing, the lack of deaths and stakes, and failing to deliver on characters. Egghead was great and Elbaf is good so far, but my expectations of Oda as a writer have been toned down. One Piece is still my favorite series but i can't vouch for its upmost quality anymore
Update: I want to make it clear Oda is still a top 5 writer for me. Wano was just a dissappintment compared to its buildup. I still found enjoyment in it. And as of Egghead and Elbaf the series has been back on track with its topnotch storytelling.
I love the idea of this video. This was good no matter how you look at it. You were honest and fair. People with the hate comments should be unbiased and see how the writing is. When you get upset at something that means it moved you. That's a good thing
@@royalfun1031 things that move you is art tho. For bad or good if something pisses you off that's an emotional response. I hate a few characters from attack on Titan and that's a wonderful thing because it causes a reaction within you. Except foxy. Foxy is just bad writing
yeah you're unbiased for saying it sucks objectively, implying that people who like it can't read/are stupid/whatever. im the biased, toxic one for saying it's good and not trying to talk to you because no matter what happens i get insulted.
I think I have some Wano blinders on because I genuinely liked the arc because that’s when I caught up to the series. The first manga chapter that I read was Luffy vs Kaido round 1 and that was freaking amazing. There were some issues but the anime did a great job on improving some of the best moments of the arc.
@@Kenzo411able alright, so this might become a little bit of a yap session, but basically, thats the problem: All Kaido ever knew was fighting. Thats why all we got from his little flashback was him fighting, and why everytime he´s shown up before Wano, we´ve seen him fighting (be it in flashbacks, him wanting to go to Marineford, or destroying Kidd and Hawkins, etc). Kaidos entire character revolves around strength and war, which is why he sees freedom and justice in that. This is why he accepts Yamatos gender, why he loved Oden, and why he hated Guernika and the old Hag. We got everything we needed from Kaido, he´s just not the typical antagonist in that most of his story was being told through other flashbacks and his fight on the rooftop (with Luffy and Yamato). Another big flashback is completely unnecessary, as Kaido has fully served his purpouse. Yamato hated Kaido, as she saw all the flawes of his doings (how he destroyed the land of Wano, and so many lives with it). So, once she saw Oden, what he did and what he stood for, she couldnt help but want to become him. He was the ideal that Yamato wanted to be, which was why she fought Kaido so many times, and cares for Momo, for examble. This the entire reason, why she wants to be Oden, nothing more So, the conversations around Yamatos gender are useless, as it doesnt have a thing to do with what the character stands for. Yamato just gets inserted into this bs topic because its big (and relevant) in western culture rn. With Kaido, people just had wrong expectations for something we were never gonna get, because we dont need it: The puzzle pieces are already there, fans just never cared to put them together. Y´all dislike them for the completely wrong reasons, its like hating some scissors because they´re bad at cutting pizza
you miss a giant point made in this video. seeing someone criticize a media in depth and your only take away is they didnt understand it properly is a big issue brought up in this video. we dont have to understand things if the concept isnt portrayed well enough or it doesnt work in a satisfying way. this exact type of comment is mentioned about why the dude is annoyed the community at times. its not about understanding one piece, its about yall dickrides understand criticism
Thank you my brother man. Thank you for being brave enough to speak and be authentic. While i dont agree with you for everything i agree with most . And thats what's important. We need these kinds of discussions man . We need this commentary. Thank you man
I’ll never let 1 or even 2 or 3 bad arcs kill my love for One Piece. It has built up too much good will and there are still pieces left on the board for more peak arcs.
Interesting how One Piece not even in my top 3 but i somehow got less problems with Wano then ppl who had it top 1 lol. Wano had the downsides definetly but i wouldnt call it a bad arc at all.i wouldnt even call it mid,overall in the end of the day it was a GREAT arc.Positives just outweighting the flaws. And it was almsot always like that in one piece,older arcs have these flaws too and sometimes much more than Wano it seems like some ppl just forgot bcuz they were watching/reading them long ago
Wano doesn't feel like One Piece in the slightest, and it definitely doesn't feel like Oda wrote it, which is such a weird feeling and hard to explain what I mean by that, kind of like a "if you know you know". Also don't even get me started on the "aura" shit the anime did during this arc. Holy moley is that shit super annoying.
Wano was different. But that may be on purpose, since it sets up a whole new phase of the story. So maybe it was supposed to be different. This was Luffy finally beating an emperor of the sea and becoming one himself. He's no longer just a pirate or member of the worst generation but a legit emperor now. Felt like setup for the end game.
I definitely feel like Oda wrote the arc. One Piece has highs and lows. I thought Fish Man Island arc was boring. Dressrosa felt too long. In retrospect, there some moments that I love. For example, the sun pirates flashback; further analysis of racism and the illogicality of discrimination; Law and Doffy flashbacks; the collosseum matches and all the warriors joining the Straw Hat Grand Fleet; not to forget, Bellamy vs Luffy and Usoppe feats.
Zoro being a samurai, finally going to the COUNTRY of samurai?! And the mfer gets his backstory in an SBS after the arc. His entire character development in Wano was relegated to a set of bullet points. The fact people aren't more outraged by that is insane to me. I'm not even that big of a Zoro fan and I think he was done super dirty.
Ashura’s death hurt because of the way he realized that was pretty much his only option, followed by denjiro screaming and crying that he was so sorry to ashura doji, that part was brutal to me
Hope you find another series to talk about more often Watching people talk about things they're only half into isn't too enjoyable, but I'll stick around to see your other videos. Don't agree with all your takes in the video, but was still a solid watch. Looking forward to seeing what other series you hopefully start to cover
Just re-read my comment and don't want it to seem like I'm saying you have to post less One Piece or anything like that, regardless of what you post I'll be watching most likely, most people are here for you, the One Piece stuff was just the cherry on top 😤
As Much as I enjoy Gear 5th for Luffy's fighting style... The actually explanation of Nika just getting tagged on there last minute I'm never letting go have contrived that was...
i like wano is where oda kinda hit the limit of how far he could stretch an arc. i loved the development, especially with the new animation, but none of it made me emotional or invested for when the final fight came around, aside from the emotions of the samurai’s revenge set up by the oden flashback. i loved the slow pace of the first two acts, but it didn’t end up amounting to much (ESPECIALLY with zoro) and the final fight felt so dragged that when luffy finally beat kaido i was like “oh is it done now” because he’d “beat” him three times already. it felt like it was all juuuust a few chapters and events too long, and the more it dragged out, the less everyone had to do. onigashima kinda made me worry about oda carrying on the story, and as much as i love egghead, it’s non-emphasis on the straw hats made me worry too. elbaf’s newest chapter tho, with robin and saul, is everything. super excited for the future
I'll be honest; I think Oda just got bored, like editors note that he was going pretty fast at some point, there was just a point where Oda decided he just wanted this all to end already lol Like his mindset: "Okay Gear 5th was fun to draw and all, but Now I want to get F*ck out of this arc, here is Shanks doing something cool, Yamato you stay here, F*ck Carrot, here is Speech, with a funny pun, Lets race to the Waterfall and Lets get out of here!"
@@ratherthanjekel No, Because even Oda's editors noted that Oda pacing was faster than usually at some point during the Onigashima raid, It only cements when characters like Carrot disappeared from the SH's depature and Tama being Kurozumi (just some examples), cause Oda thought those weren't important to cover and the last minute sike on Yamato's part and Sukiyaki just deciding to reveal himself to Momonosuke literally 2 chapters before saying he wanted keep his true identity covered for Momo's sake...clearly Oda's mind was on Egghead stuff at that point.
I took a year break from One Piece over how much I hated Wano. It's still the only time I have ever taken a break from the series. My enthusiasm was killed almost immediately and really disliked a lot of the actions that were taken early on in the arc. It was a slog and I remember being lambasted for my hatred at the time. I'm gladdened to know that others felt the same way now.
@MrCrimsonftw 13/10 is accurate and I can see why he hated the first act nothing really happens big besides Zoro vs Hawkins or luffy vs kaido 2nd act is where big shi happens lik Zoro vs killer or sanji vs page1 yasui death etc 3rd is oden fb and all the raid fights like Zoro vs King sanji vs queen rooftop hype alldat
Around 25:00 that's honestly a really good point, I just finished listening to the 11.5 hour long Reverie that happened recently and I don't think Oden was brought up once. Now Kyros from Dressrosa was brought up, and that I think adds on to Jay's point as Kyros was definitely an amazingly written character
honestly, i think oden would've been much better if we never saw his backstory and that, if he just stayed this historical larger than life character that we never actually witness, same with Roger
@@thejuiceking2219 Yeah I get where you are coming from, but I don't fully agree. His backstory was still a major plot point of the history of Wano and important to everything that happened. I just think Oden's ultimate decision not to take action and to just trust Orochi and Kaido was a bad look for his character and seemingly the community agrees too. I was weekly during the flashback and heavily involved in the community and people were super excited by Oden and all of his feats and everything so that is where I disagree, until the end of the backstory where he made that decision. Of course, we are looking at the situation in hindsight. With that said, it somewhat adds to your point where without that info maybe we would think more highly of him, but at the end of the day it did show Oden wasn't perfect and had this blind trust in others that lead to his downfall and the downfall of Wano and horrible things happening to him, the people he loved, the citizens the island... Like sure without that info we would probably respect Oden more so your point makes sense in that regard for sure. But again before that it was definitely good to see Oden's backstory and of course it was all good for the plots sake to know this information so I wouldn't want his backstory removed or anything
@@thejuiceking2219 Though honestly I get what you mean in a way, you're somewhat talking about this like it's a "don't meet your heroes" situation. Some people seem grand and perfect and amazing, and they can be while you look at all their highlights. Yet when you also see something like, this man danced in the streets for however long and trusted these clearly evil people, it's like we saw a bit too much almost lol. That one detail that just made us lose some respect for the guy, but again if he was just a perfect character with no flaws that also wouldn't be interesting. It's just that this mistake he made was an enormous one
I think I’ve got some more clarity as to why I seriously dislike Oda’s writing now. Characterisation. Oda’s characters are so one-tracked, dull and uninteresting. None of them seem to learn anything, no one changes-the best they get is power-ups-and even those seem to elide some of the main cast.
Zoro always gets lost; Usopp is a wimp; Sanji cannot control himself around women-Chopper is a cute mascot. Two years and none of the above change-none of them are wiser or surprise you as a reader. None of the main cast appear to have a real inner world.
@@yurhomi4478 While I agree that Zoro and Usopp (at least post Dressrosa) are basically two empty husks of characters that Oda is dragging through the story (hopefully toward some sort of payoff, but who even knows at this point), I think Sanji and Chopper are both still well-written. For Sanji, Oda made up the Germa trauma to give him more substance, which is maybe not what you wanted, but WCI and Wano are handily the best Sanji stuff since Baratie, reaffirming who is at his core. Chopper meanwhile, gets maligned a lot, because visually he has become more and more of a marketable plushy as the story has gone on, but at the very least, his character storyline is also consistently progressing. He is putting his learnings to good use, and more importantly, his journey towards being responsible and dependable that began in Skypiea is paying off more and more.
@@floriandolder8111 Perhaps you’re on to something here. I wouldn’t go as far as to say they’re “well-written” however. (As an aside, I’m pretty bored of Sanji’s gag now. ) Part of how I measure characterisation is how or (or whether) their experiences change a person. I see that after the Germa reveal, there isn’t much of that at all. Sanji’s backstory is mostly used to rationalise a power-up. (Maybe I’ve forgotten the details?) We mostly know him as a chef that loves women, now we know he’s ubermensch that loves women? Idk. In One Piece, we get panels about characters past or what have you yet after we leave an island-most of it is shed. At times, I feel like I’m reading an anthology. Usopp doesn’t draw from the courage of “Sogeking” for example. The Straw Hats off the back of Ace and Whitebeard’s death, go away for 2 years to train as they correctly surmise that they must be more serious venturing through the New World. In what was supposed to be the most intense moment thus far, we have Luffy effectively trolling whilst fighting “The Strongest Creature alive.” I feel justified with my stance that these characters appear to be both empty and unlearning. I’m going to concede with Chopper because I don’t think I can *fairly* say I expected him to be a main fixture for the crew. He’s in alignment with wherever he began really; I’ll say he’s okay I guess.
@@floriandolder8111 The problem I have with Chopper is that he doesn't have a WOW moment, where I'm like, ok Chopper, you cooking, chopper he's kinda there, does some stuff, but he never excites me, and that's been a thing for YEARS at this point
@@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541 Yeah, you are right about that. However, outside of when Monster Point was introduced, Chopper never gave me the sense that we could even expect these WOW moments from him, so I might be a bit more lenient towards him.
Same. I am 31 years old now and I started the series when I was like 14. I am not the same person anymore. I am an adult and I can’t just unsee what happened to one piece. Egghead and WCI were the only two arcs I liked after time skip. Even WCI was ridiculous from the retrospective. So only Egghead was a great arc to me. One piece is mediocre at best
I feel like Yamato’s whole identity crises was a plot that Oda just decided not to resolve for no reason when it would’ve just been the easiest shit to rectify
Wano was Dressrosa but worse. My major gripe with Wano was that it was "Japan, the Island". This directly made One Piece shoot itself in the foot. Oden was mostly a bad character and him dying made him good, it showed a progress in his development. Overall, he was still a major dickhead and got away doing whatever he wanted because "oh look, big Japanese man with diaper is strong so he cool". His glorification, forcing it upon Yamato and as Jay D. stated, preventing them from being their own character, was the final nail in the coffin for me. Yeah, Oden could've been a fun character, but fun isn't always great. He was very flawed, but making Wano revolve AROUND the glorified idea of that character was both good AND (mostly) bad. Oden was the mistake of Wano and I think that without him the story would've been even better. We could've had an Alabasta 2.0. People fighting a corrupt ruler who sold his people. Said leader gets abused by by his collaborators for being a pushover. A group of rebels wanting to do a coup d'etat to free their land. Momonosuke being the child of a "revolutionary leader" from within Wano. Tying Wano into the actual Revolutionaries storyline would've been amazing. But no. We got Oden. Man, fuck Oden. Btw you are allowed to like the character, this is not against anyone liking him. Like Jay D., my issue is the introduction of a "great" character and how they were just wasted potential. He made everything in the story bad and inconsistent.
@@danielg107Wano’s biggest problem( which I see with a lot of weekly jump titles or even serialized weekly stories) is that the writers plan for a lot of the macro elements of the story( the big moments like gear 5 and Oden’s flashback) and fail to account for the smaller details. This is where a good editor comes into play. They will point these out and work well within the vision. The issue with Oden I find is two fold. One is that Oda tired to do too much with the Oden flashback. His history, initial meeting with the Scabbards, Orochi, and Roger/WB. If Oda had split the flashback where the first half was us seeing him( this can be done when Kine Mon is in front of Oden’s castle and he tells the straw hats) and his upbringing and how he met the scabbards, concluding with him leaving with WB. And then the second half was WB adventures with Roger that could have worked. Especially better fleshing Oden out so as he can have more depth to him as a character. Because he’s lacking depth. The other issue with Oden is that he presents a pretty sizable plot hole. If Whitebeard cared so much about Oden, why didn’t he go to war with Kaidou after his death? Keep in mind, he did the same thing when Ace was captured by the WG. A solution could have been to have there be a war but it ended in a stalemate or failure for WB. Tie in the fact that his illness or age also played a factor. From there the reader can infer that is why he advised Ace not to go after Blackbeard and WhiteBeard acted with Ace’s capture in spite of his injuries because he’s his “son”. This is what I mean by micro details. Good stories. Things need to connect. Wano doesn’t really follow. It’s one big macro idea without the smaller bits and details to really justify it.
@@Avarn388 Such a nice way to explain how Oden fell flat when trying to be incorporated to greater plots. And as you mentioned too, it is in major plotlines like this where we can see how an editor can heavily impact the progression of a story.
As a person who loves to heard people express why they dislike something, I salute and praise you. Brother. I hope in the future you are able to truly exress you dislike for things as freely as your love for things.
Hawkins was comedy ? What are you watching, two piece ? He knew from the get-go he was gonna die this arc, had too much pride to grovel like Drake after having betrayed everyone, knowing full well he was on the losing side, and went out sticking to his guns like he should, after having given one of the best non-rooftop fights of the arc
Really the only reason why people saw wano as a “top 3/5” arc was because of recency bias. See, during wano (before gear 5 reveal) people were like “oh!!! There’s still development to be had and it has oden lore so it’s peak!!” and people who thought that long arc = “good”arc (bloated). However, after gear 5, in both the anime and manga, people said wano was the BEST arc because it had gear 5 luffy (which ties into recency bias) Now that in the anime wano ended, and inn the manga we are well past wano, we can finally take a more critical loook at wano without 500 glazers breathing down your neck saying “gear 5… gear 5… oden flashback….” Just my thoughts btw
Don't even get me started with putting so much essential lore in SBSs, like I'd love for Zoro to know about his family lineage in Wano and understands why Shusui is a treasure, he'd pay so much homage to Ryuma as his ancestor and his fight with his corpse in thriller bark, It'd be would have a much deeper meaning, like give my boy some character development, or even putting the rocky port incident for instance...
If you think amnesia was bad, what if I tell you Saul is really alive, and the fire from the buster call “must have” melted the ice away and “pushed” him to the ocean
The fact that Jay didn't even mention Kyoshiro disappearing for the whole fight after the rooftop. Imagine Kyoshiro that stayed in Wano for 20yrs didn't have one single character moment in the fight. Wano had done irreparable damage to this community
I think some of the perspectives here are flawed but the one I wanted to talk about it is Kaido and Yamato and the analysis on their characters Because the main theme of Wano is that despair cannot win over the power provided by resolve and hope, it shouldn’t be any surprise that the driving force behind Kaido’s character is the concept of despair. His motivations, his methods, and his moral outlook all stem outward from “despair,” the absence of hope and optimism. Kaido’s motivations are conveyed to us with his flashback and also the backstory that’s provided for him through the flashbacks and statements of other characters. His flashback communicates to us that Kaido has lived a life where every major stage consists of one despair-inducing event after another. The earliest we meet Kaido, he is a child soldier in a country crippled by poverty and must constantly wage war to get by. He is trafficked to the Navy, who holds him captive. He is able to escape, and then joins a pirate crew who we are informed are filled with bloodthirsty and treacherous cutthroats who will claim each other’s lives at a moment’s notice. He is then imprisoned and experimented on; it’s alluded that the experience was tortuous for Kaido. Even when Kaido fights Oden and their battle is ruined, there is another element of despair here: Kaido is robbed of the figure he’s pursuing because Oden’s loss cemented he wasn’t Joy Boy. Beyond being experiences steeped in despair, what these events have in common is that Kaido survived and ultimately thrived through and within them all because he was strong. These life experiences are why Kaido ultimately comes to the conclusion that a person’s worth is determined by war. This conclusion that worth corresponds with strength is why Kaido comes to believe he is the only person that can change the world, as expressed when he meets King. When Kaido learns of Joy Boy and the kind of world that figure is slated to create, Kaido dismisses the notion that he is Joy Boy because he wants to make a different world; this is also expressed to King. It’s why Kaido comes to the conclusion that the person who will defeat him must be Joy Boy; if Joy Boy is fated to be the one to change the world, then he must be worth more than Kaido and therefore stronger. But until then, Kaido carries on and we are able to see how despair drives him in his methods. We are told near the beginning of the Yonko Saga that pirates have two options: be crushed by the Emperors or join them. The themes of despair are started early in this saga, and we eventually come to see that Kaido has weaponized despair. He’s crushed the spirit of Wano over the past 20 years. He prefers to crush the spirits of pirates who challenge him so they join his crew, rather than outright kill them. The SMILE fruits that he has made make a mockery of joy and hope. He tells Luffy that the samurai have accepted defeat into their hearts. When Kaido mocks Luffy for being close to death the first time Luffy uses Gear 5, when he roars that he cannot be defeated, when he comments on how Luffy’s light never leaves his eyes despite how precarious the situation is. Kaido laments on how humans aren’t able to give up hope. When Kaido believes he killed Luffy, he returns to the Skull Dome and announces that the samurai’s loss has “cost them their freedom and their hope”: despair. Even the way Kaido’s subordinates are written serve to establish proximity between Kaido and the concept of despair. Jack decimates the Mink population, refusing to even allow them the respite from torture by surrendering. Queen enjoys playing death games that toy with his victims’ sense of hope, most notably being the Ice Ogre virus that forces the enemy to attack their own allies. There’s also the torture he chooses for Kid and Killer, dunking below water then raising them before dunking them again to ensure that they feel hopeless. King abandons any hope for the future, seeing himself as nothing more than a tool for Kaido; he also tries to force despair onto Zoro by asserting that there’s no possible way for a human to beat a Lunarian. Kaido being ideologically driven by despair is well established by the text. The backstory that gets chided for being a “slideshow” informs us of how Kaido’s life leads him to adopt this approach. But, it’s not just something Kaido inflicts on others. It’s also key to why Kaido is suicidal. Why Kaido wants to kill himself is one of the more controversial aspects of his character; some feel that it went nowhere but it makes more sense when evaluating him through the context of a character driven by despair. The value Kaido sees in death is one of the more subtle aspects of his character. He tells the Scabbards “it’s no longer the way of the times, but death completes a person,” indicating that Kaido’s reverence for death is a somewhat cultural aspect of his character and the world around him has simply moved past this. This is consistent with Kaido’s declaration that the world has grown boring and reflects his desire to throw the world back into war. Kaido also indicates that legacy is a key aspect to his desire for death. In his introduction, he muses that Whitebeard “did it right” in regards to dying. It comes across as simply dying is how Whitebeard did it “right” initially, but then Kaido also tells the Scabbards that they weren’t worthy enough to kill him like Oden was. He compliments both Oden and Luffy by saying that they did well because people will speak of their great battles before dying. Kaido doesn’t just value death, he values a death that is worth something. That’s why Kaido doesn’t just jump into the ocean or eat a second Devil Fruit. But what does this have to do with Kaido wanting to kill himself? Kaido’s belief that war determines a person’s worth is why he believes that only he can change the world. After all, if he’s the strongest then he must be worth the most. When he learns about Joy Boy, this figure that’s seemingly fated to change the world, he comes to the conclusion that Joy Boy must be stronger than him because he’d have to be in order to change the world. Decades of supremacy has cemented in Kaido that there is none who can defeat him. But that means the only person who could give him the death required for him to become “complete” is himself. The irony is that Kaido is so strong, he’s unable to kill himself or be killed by another in a way that he feels is worthy of that very strength. It’s why he’s invested in whether or not Luffy is Joy Boy. Kaido is living his own despair whenever a promising prospect like Oden, Shanks, Whitebeard, Rocks, or Roger ultimately fails to become Joy Boy. Yeah, those five silhouettes weren't powerscaling. It was Kaido looking at Luffy and going “Can you really do what these men couldn’t?” You can see Kaido’s eyes change over the course of the rooftop fight, going from shaded to clear until he knocks Luffy off of Onigashima. Then, his eyes are shaded again. He feels hope, and is reminded of the truth his life has shown him for decades: in the end, there’s always despair.
im here personally for the Yamato hatetrain lol but seriously...The Road to Wano felt more exciting then some of the plotlines in Wano. And the stuff that actually happen in Wano; I'm honestly baffled by some of the subplots in the arc that Oda was attempting to juggle so many.....and y'know how bad it is: From 11 Supernovas, We had 8 of them in this arc.....all this clutter..
25:57 Liking mothering mode or not is totally personal preference. I will say, it's disingenuous to say Oda came up with it on the spot because it was first introduced in Whole Cake Island. Now, if that moment doesn't hold enough wait to justify it to you, again personal preference, you have every right to feel that way. But to say it was made up on the spot is not accurate.
Yeah this happens a lot. It's frustrating to hear people whining about how the community can't take criticism (which has some truth to it) while making bad criticism themselves. It feels like they're just mad that they called out on this stuff.
@@shadez123 it pretty much only happens with a few extremely toxic community members like Jay or Rogersbase. It's really not common outside of niche forums like WorstGen or Piratefolk and the youtubes of clickbait people like this lol.
@@mattb6616 correct me if I'm wrong (since I REALLY don't wanna check this shi xD) but wasn't Roger whining about how boring Kuma's backstory was and how he wanted it to go back to action? I swear they treating OP as if it's a Dragon Ball 😂
and this is why i fucking love JAY as a content guy on One piece and the same with bargo ain't scared to talk about their dislikes and likes in the show and able to see an arc for good or bad.
It's why I have always loved collabing with them! As a content creator it can feel very lonely when you have a gripe with something that the vast majority of your viewers or potential fans have no gripe with whatsoever and I think many people misunderstand the gripes as nitpicks or that we're just hating when in actuality it's BECAUSE of how much the story means to us that we have to go in so hard sometimes.
@@RogersBase You do you. There are a lot of people that despised Wano. Some, like me, long time fans. İt was the buildup of entire Post-TS. With all it's flaws,low points and inconsistencies, praising Wano and hiding it's flaws is the biggest disservice to the series. Not the other way around. Comparing Wano to arcs like Sabaody,Marineford,İmpel Down etc. is laughable at best. People that are creating fake hype and supressing the issues, are doing more harm to the fandom than good. Causing unnecessery toxicity from both sides, and causing many to lose interest in the series and fandom, rather than bringing them togather.
I respect Jay’s opinion. I think the problem ppl had with Wano was higher than life expectation. Personally I keep my expectations balanced for the most part so I enjoyed it overall however I do understand why ppl dislike it
I agreed with practically every critique in this video. For me the moment of no return was the Ice Zombies. I didn't think I could ever truely DESPISE a story element in One Piece until I encountered that portion of Wano.
To me it always felt like Wano was one piece to its extremes. Wano had Some absolutely great world building, lore reveals, fights, emotional moments and flashbacks but at the same time had an egregious amount of fake out deaths constantly taking the tension out of situations, had a bunch of stuff randomly off-screened, a bunch of the strawhats had like no interesting charachter moments ( Robin had to have like 2 flashbacks to explain her fight and then also another random powerup because she hasnt had anything to do the entire post time skip lol) plus an insane amount of micky mouse plot armor stuff happening in the story like kinemon still being cut in half or the magic mink medicine that fully heals all damage done to you or literally anything Big mom did in that entire arc. I think this is why this arc is so divisive with some people saying its their favorite and some saying they hate it becasue it all depends on how much these flaws bother you and for alot of people this stuff just annoyed them more and more week by week until they were sick of Wano
Yeah, Wano was just all over the place. That arc had the most potential to move plot points forward and character developments, and it's squandered it all and just gave us gear 5 as a payout. Shout-out to the GOAT, Yasuie, though. And Oden during the Legendary Hour 👌🏾🔥
Something which also majorly pissed me off about Wano is how little tension there was for the Straw Hats. They're doing all out war with a YONKOU crew and they're all just like "ight bet" and never waver in the slightest. I guess that's to show how far they've come but given that this is the first time they're going against the full might of an emperor it feels unearned. Kaido's crew seemed utterly terrifying when we got the Zou flashback and witnessed the destruction Jack and his subordinates caused, yet in Wano they were mostly just kinda goofy and non-threatening. Absolutely massive disappointment.
Wano is a huge agenda over story. Oda needs to complete Yonkou arc, yet there's still 2 titans to beat. Oda needs SHP to upgrade, yet there's 10 of them now to focus individually. The results is a speed run of Kaidou and Big Mom, and speedrun of SHP upgrades. There's no time to rest, Wano needs to be huge and be a battle royale, resulting in a lot of compensating.
I agree with most of Jay's takes, but not the Sanji-Maria one. I have more problems with Wano. I don't like Oden's flashback, not just Oden's character. We already know what happened in this flashback. My reason is: if you're going to show us what happened, then don't tell us beforehand. It's either one or the other. If you want to show, don't tell; and if you're going to tell, then don't bother showing. Taking away the element of surprise makes it bland. It's like spoiling a movie before watching it. Also, I hate Yamato, not just because of what they did to the One Piece community, but also because their existence felt like a waste of time. The numbers, Onibanshu, Yakuza, and the Mimawarigumi are a waste of time. They're characters that shouldn't exist. If you're going to make them NPCs, then don't introduce them. It's not like they have a lot of potential that Oda wasted; they don't have any potential to begin with. We already have a lot of characters. We don't need more groups because we don't have the time for them.
Almost every arc had a ton of these NPC characters that were less fleshed out(Yakuza at least had Hyogoro).I swear some of yall just forgot One Piece was always like that bcuz u watched so long ago
@СергейКочан-ь3т oDa made a big deal out of them NPCs does exist but Oda didn't give them what he gave those characters in wano, it's usually the group leader and his friends the leaders are always fleshed out but those groups not a single important character aside from Hyogoro Also there is too many of them & too many scabbards too
Something that always majorly bothered me about Wano was the use of tamas powers. Like shes literally out here brainwashing the enemies into killing their friends and making herself their master, if a villian was doing this shit Luffy would lose his mind and hate them but it ends up being a big reason the alliance wins the war. Literally having luffy awaken as the warrior of liberation all about freedom while his crew is mind controlling the enemy into fighting and killing their own crewmembers is such a weird disconnect that just makes no sense to me.
Oh yeah Tama's powers were hot garbage and waaay too convenient. The SMILEs were literally built up since Sabaody as a major military asset yet when we came to Wano they were treated as a joke, and its users were basically turned into slaves for the protagonists which was ok "because Japanese folklore!!!"
Loved the video and genuine thoughts... Wano is one arc out of many but the amount of damage it did in making parts of the community temper their expectations needs to be studied especially by those who see the story through the lenses of it can do no wrong.
I'm glad you put this video out. You hit many of the problems I had with the Wano Arc. I think that we need more discussion with the gripe we have with one piece and oda, when it's appropriate.
Seeing more and more of my fellow content creators slowly realize the major issues I had with Wano as we were experiencing it week to week makes me feel more and more vindicated by the day. Act 2 still remains the ONLY portion of my 10 YEARS on TH-cam that I ever STOPPED covering the series for a prolonged period of time. In retrospect, the arc wasted so much time while simultaneously squandering so much opportunity. I still LOVE One Piece and I think (barring something like a Zombie Ace coming back to life to fight Akainu with Sabo in Final War) I will ALWAYS love it but it's BECAUSE I love it so much that I was so disappointed by the arc's end. Thankfully Egghead and the trajectory of Elbaf so far has started to wash away the sour taste I had at the end of Wano but I know it won't be as easy for some people to get over.
Also my man's trying to be slick with the 200K edit in the subcription click at the beginning. I see you manifesting and love it! LOL🤣
Act 2 of wano was perfect. It is a slowburn with deep explorations of themes and character development. It is not for everyone especially for shounen fans who like non stop fighting. but don't blame Oda for your problems. The arc is a masterpiece. and it wouldn't be that good without the setup in act 2
@@wwe12153 lol have your opinion man that’s okay, but don’t push it on others, a lot of us feel act 2 was a major waste of time
go watch dbz if you want no stop action and no setup
Roger didn’t you think Naruto was well written?
@@KCtheMC buddy. One Piece is about themes and character development. if you want non stop fights go watch dragon ball.
I don't respect your opinion nor his. simply because the act was objectively well-written even if it had minor issues.
act 2 is basically the core of wano and one piece themes. if you think it is a waste of time then you are reading it wrong.
My personal crashout for Wano is the fact that Chopper spent an entire arc on an island of CHERRY BLOSSOMS and didn't even mention it ONCE. Oda straight up forgot his backstory.
maybe folks and Oda just accept Chopper is just Mascot....so his backstory doesn't mean anything anymore lol
Tbf iirc Chopper and the crew had been there a while by the time Luffy and the cameraman got there. So Chopper would have already reacted to it
Edit: I did not, in fact, remember correctly
If the audience didn't see it, I'd the author didn't write it, it didn't happen. 🤷🏿@1001011011010
At this point chopper is just the mascot of the series. Thats why his points went from I'm gonna murder your family to I'm gonna give your family cuddles
@@1001011011010 That’s super lame and we can have Chopper mentioning it and seeing a flashback of his first reaction but I guess Oda just didn’t care enough
Jay slandering Wano again? We're so back to watching peak content.
@@Generalmituna8079 idc about wano
🗣️BROOK SLANDER WILL NOT BE TOLERATED 🗣️
@@Brook-es5ct Cringe
@@ptolemaic3238 agenda is more cringe
Brook might be the most useless crew member atm @@Brook-es5ct
Jay D Legend Wano analysis before Morj 😭😭😭
Tell him on stream
the wano analysis will fail, and the wano analysis klls kaido
Bro hidden said on his twitter hes making one too lmao
LMAO there's no way 💀
@@SethPlato01 W reference
I think Wano just had too many characters and Oda didn't know what to do with them.
that's when normal mangaka start offing people, and sadly oda is quite good with deathscenes, but he wants a party after every arc so no death. (his words by the way)
💯 true
I think he might’ve had plans but had to ditch them partway through because the arc became bloated.
My thoughts too TBH. Oda needs to sit down and realize that some characters don’t really matter that much. The scabbards for example really don’t matter outside of kinemon and the dukes. The rest of the guys are truly forgettable and bring nothing to the story outside of being bodies for fights. Same with some of the supernova and tobi roppo
It’s funny that everything jay didn’t like actually drove him to create a better brand for his channel. Agenda piece was born because of wano and has jump started your channel in new subscribers. Yes wano has it flaws but hey I couldn’t do better
It takes a lot of integrity to be critical of the media that pays your bills. Much respect. I don’t hate One Piece, but when people (especially content creators) act like it's flawless, it feels disingenuous
Kinemon surviving was my crashout moment. I still think about that to this day 💀💀💀
this. the epic death scene should've been given to Ashura Doji instead
Idk why morj is so pissed about Saul when it SHOULD be Kinemon
that was my crashout
I feel like Wano was really pushed to be the "apex" of One Piece, like the arc that remember as one of greatest arcs in Shonen, based on its set-up pre-timeskip.
...But it really feels this arc suffers from a "Narrative Whiplash", where certain plotlines are resolved rapidly while others drag on for extended periods (even resolved outside the manga like the kurozumi nonese). Somehow this Arc felt "Too Fast and Too Slow" at the same time!
Ugh the SBS reveals are another huge gripe of mine with how Oda's been handling things. Especially the latest stuff with the rocky port incident being relegated to being "explained" in an SBS when it's been portrayed as this HUGE incident that boosted Koby's reputation and created this connection between him and Blackbeard. It being in the SBS makes it so the context behind their relationship is lost from the main story unless you read all these SBSs which is horrible storytelling.
@@GRizzle206 The Rocky Port in the SBS was the final straw on how much I don't give two shits about any other plotline that isn't involving the One Piece treasure itself
@@mistersureshot1749it's really a bummer because I've even stopped reading spoilers even though we're in elbaph I just have lost my passion for this series. Even Vegapunk's traitor and speech plotlines were so annoying and dragged out.
Film Red truly wasted Oda’s time. Forced him to rush Wano’s ending and then a random ass Shanks haki wank moment thrown in at the end just because he was relevant to the movie. Eggheads immediate difference in theme showed how bored Oda truly was because he just wanted to get OUT of that arc and stop drawing samurais.
@@GRizzle206
I kinda disagree. It leaves an air of mystery in the main series and feels a bit more realistic. Like in real life there's a lot of stuff about politics/history in other countries/regions most people really know hardly anything about unless it gets briefly mentioned in the news because of some incident relating to it. It's like that in the story, while we were focusing on the straw hats a LOT of stuff in the world of one piece has been going on, basically. Makes the world feel bigger.
Plus it'd take a lot of time to put all the details into the manga
Also the "Jinbei just showing up peachy keen after whole cake with no elaboration on the status of his crew" thing, thank you for bringing that up. That STILL annoys me, they got such a bombastic send off in such a dire situation. Not even addressed in the WCI cover story going on after Wano that showed how Germa got away, we just gotta assume that cause Jinbei's unharmed and i guess not traumatized in anyway everything's chill lol. So odd.
That was one of the things that bothered me as well. Like how you gonna show up after that whole thing and be all nonchalant about it? No scars no scratches anywhere. Mans stayed behind in that situation and came out unscathed. Ain't no way
I think it's hillarious how even Toei was fooled by Yamato. You can clearly see that they gave her a lot of extra scenes and screen time thinking that she would become a straw hat, just for her to say "nah, I'm not joining you guys, bye" at the end.
Wano is Oda setting up a lot of plot lines and only delivering on half of them, which is very uncharacteristic of him.
He elaborated on plot lines that no one cared about and didn’t expand on plot lines people cared about
half is very optimistic from you.
He delivered on every single plot line perfectly. that's why wano is a masterpiece.
@@wwe12153we got Oda's editor over here
Lol@@wwe12153
@@wwe12153 what happened with zoro and seeing death?
The most crashout I had during Wano was how Usopp's character was completely regressed from what he was
Now do a "the ark that brought my love for one piece back" egghead by the way
the egghead video is in plans regardless
egghead is better than wano it's true, for example, egghead really has consequences, the real vegapunk dies, saturn dies for being useless, garling is a gorosei, mugiwaras "won" but it was an ending with casualties now in wano there were 2 yonkous and the ending had no impact and consequences, it's really a shame
Egghead is terrible and Vegapunk was completely useless.
@@celiomarins2640and WG successfully preserved mother flame(not punk records tho) but still, now we have a... suspended threat, that at any moment or at some critical point, WG can just throw another sun strike, any time anywhere. If this sht played right it can create one hell of a tension.
@@derek4633 “I got my joy back” - Jay D. After Wano
Zoro: *Basically dies and comes back to life after seeing the Grim Reaper*
Never mentions it again. Hoping that actually goes somewhere and isn't a one off.
He hasn't told Vegapunk his request yet either
@@commonviewer2488 it's a plot hole then?
@@commonviewer2488that was a bad translation. Zoro spoke not referring to himself but as the crew
@@commonviewer2488 yes he did. the request was for vegapunk to help them get to shore instead of abandoning them and shipwrecking them in the ocean. please actually read the manga. in context of actually reading the chapters and not looking at one panel of zoro on Reddit, it's very obvious. Nami asks for a ride to shore. Vegapunk Lilith refuses. Zoro and Robin threaten Vegapunk Lilith and say "You're going to listen to our demands." Shaka tells Lilith "Zoro and Robin can literally kill you right now. Do what they're asking." Lilith then takes them to shore.
This is the kind of stuff that makes people say "one piece fans can't read", because this was SO INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS and yet, thousands of hours of youtube videos were made about "What's Zoro's secret request????" hundreds of thousands of reddit posts "WHATS ZOROS SECRET REQUEST???!!" meanwhile it wasn't a secret, it was very, very obvious and clear and you got the answer to it IN THE SAME FUCKING CHAPTER
@@commonviewer2488 Half of y'all complaints comes from shitty translation and bad media literacy.
Your crash out over Yamato and Kaido resonated so much with my spirit.
NEVER CLICKED ON A VID SO FAST. 55 minutes!?? Oh we're feasting. Muy Bien.
-Kinemon surviving
-Kaido's LACKLUSTER backstory/flashback
-the Numbers were just fodder
-the CP0 guys were just underwhelming, the hype they had gotten since Dressrosa, like... ehm.. you could have switched them out with anyone..
-Zoros ties to Wano werent really needed especially since it wasnt really fleshed out at all (like why even include the few things?)
-Lurking legend
-O lin
-The kurozumi existing, only for kaido to just randomly pack up orochi just because (why even have them be a thing in the story in the first place? Kaido could've fulfilled 99% of their role, and absolutely nothing would've changed)
-Kaido flashback and his ambitions at all: thinking he was joyboy initially, and his stark difference in personality during his flashback with king (gave serious BB vibes) but no explanation of him transitioning to a depressed drunk
-Yamato buildup only for her to say 'lol jk'
Something I also want to add is why was there so much emphasis during Act 2 about gathering enough men? If by the end we got many allies with conqueror’s Haki who can easily knock out hundreds of fodder?
@@CoOlKyUbI96 That's the other thing. The haki stuff is kind of inconsistent in the story. A couple waves of conqueror's and you can knock out upwards of 60-75% of an army from the get go. Maybe as little as 40-50%, but even still, that's a huge portion.
Same goes for observation. The whole Burgess thing stowing away on Sabo's ship and somehow, the most secretive, elusive, impossible to track down revolutionary army doesn't have someone who specializes in observation haki awareness taking roll call at the docks in baltigo to see if anyone snuck on board?
I think Oda mostly uses haki from a combat standpoint (1v1s and small group fights (e.g. roofpiece)) and seldom thinks of its use in a practical sense outside of those scenarios (e.g. wiping out huge chunks of an army).
-Nah they dropped the ball on Gear 5 episode
@@thebarbelllifestyle1478 GREAT point - the Observation Haki stuff especially bothers me. There are SO MANY TIMES where the story would go differently if characters with Observation Haki would...ya know, actually use Observation Haki.
I think what people misunderstand about Kaido is that his reverence of strength and honour comes is what ultimately causes his depression. As physically strong as he is, he doesn't have the strength in mindset to abide by the tenets that the people he respects so much had. He tries to commit suicide but doesn't actually do it in a surefire way. He tries to be honourable yet ends up defeating the opponents closest to him in strength through underhanded means. He says haki is everything for strength despite having one of the most overpowered devil fruits. Kaido's entire life is a lie that his mindset is powerless to rectify.
Anyway good video I don't agree with every point but they were made very well. I understand where the video comes from despite having personally enjoyed Wano all the way through.
i thought it was more that he respects the likes of Roger, Whitebeard and Oden, but he doesn't really understand them or why people think greatly of them. people respect Oden because he brought prosperity to Wano and helped out some people who were pushed to the sides of life. people respect Whitebeard because he cared for his crew like family and helped his home. people respect Roger because he helped inspire a new age of piracy through his escapades. meanwhile, Kaido is none of those things, the only thing he shares is great strength, and even his idea of honour doesn't mean much more than simply being stronger and better at fighting than who he's facing
@thejuiceking2219 yeah i mean that's not entirely different to what I'm saying. He respects these legends for their honour, but believes that it comes purely from their strength so he just focuses on raw power, unable to comprehend the fact that it crumbles in comparison to the real shit Roger, Whitebeard, and Oden did. His inability to see this ends up inadvertently causing him a lot of grief in how he cannot become joyboy-esque no matter what height he reaches in his strength
Bro is a fraud, he could get killed by Shanks or Dragon any day in an epic fight but instead chooses to enslave fodder and isolate himself
I was hoping for a dedicated 2-3 at most chapter backstory showcasing Kaidos life and his mindset of might conquering all, and the inability to truly see the other mindsets like those pirate figures had. I feel so betrayed by the brief bits of his younger life only coming RIGHT AS LUFFY FINISHES HIM
The thing wit wano is when u start over from ep 1 n hit wano n watch it its A1 but we as long standing members of this verse remember it as it was week to week thats the issue yes wano even when starting from ep 1 has draw backs but I bet the same way everyone said skypia was trash till wano we say wano trash till x happens
To be fair the number of "give me some haki Oden" memes meant we all remember him and talk about him lmao. Guy was reduced down to 1/2 of his swords
Zoro memes
Sanji getting a WHOLE arc about his backstory while Zoro gets an sbs and nothing in wano really pissed me off and they did the same shit with franky in egghead by not fleshing him out more with his ties to vegapunk
Franky stil had good moments tho as for Zoro i think it's better off we don't focus on his lineage Zoro don't need that he is a good character on his own
On top of Baratie and WCI, Sanji still had more character development in WANO than Zoro did.
Wano pacing is the worst in the whole manga
okay, are we ready to say that when dressrosa is right there?
@@thejuiceking2219Hol up, mangawise , Dresssrosa had great pacing. When I binge read the entire series for the first time Dressrosa’s pacing was a breath of fresh air for me, so many things happening and pieces moving made the whole arc feel alive. Now if we’re talking about bad pacing let’s not ignore WCI, I had to stop reading the series for a few years so I could just speed read through that arc.
@@ynam.2622 Dressrosa manga did NOT have great pacing brotha
@@ynam.2622tf
@ynam.2622 kind of ironic as hell for you to say the manga had good pacing when we're supposed to believe the ENTIRE ARC happened in a singular day in universe
Lets just put it like this
Oda promised us a fruit cake, with lots and lots of mouthwatering FRUITS, but then started adding any other topic that wasn't a fruit
Sure, nobody will complay for some chocolate, or honey, or whipped cream, but then he added cheese, and vegetables, and FRIED CHICKEN!?
To the point where the fruit cake he promised us just...dissapeared, you might liked eating the part of the cake with gummy worms and beacon, but I, alongside many others, wanted to eat FRUITS in this FRUIT.CAKE.
But hey, like Jay said, lets not talk about Wano anymore.
Daym this serious
Great point, pineapple pfp man.
@@benjaminjara7312 what kind of BS is that ? Wano is like the most cohesive arc in fiction. Every single element adds something.
We should talk a lot about wano. It is one of the most well-written and rich arcs in the whole medium
Nika retcon fruit garbage brudda
@@banjonetero2376 dragon ball fan can’t talk about the most well-written transformation in fiction
It's so interesting seeing the two sides of One Piece content creators. The other side would be those constant beams of positivity like Tekking101.
Shillking101
@banjonetero2376 You're watching CinemaSins, I'm watching CinemaWins. No need for name calling.
@@banjonetero2376is someone not allowed to have positive thoughts about the series?
@@ChromaticEagleHave you noticed that all one piece TH-camrs who don’t criticize one piece have way more subscribers than those who dare to hate on one piece? It’s all about money. Creators like ohara or tekking want to have more subscribers and money. So they act like one piece is tue best manga ever
Oden felt like that guy you'd make in a character creator. The op self insert who gets to be on the whitebeard crew and on the rogers crew, but didn't serve as much more than a lens for the viewer to see these crews interact. Things just seemed to happen with him, he gets ferried to laugh tale, his wife just appears, then he has kids, and goes back to wano. He only gets somewhat interesting when he has to be a real character and interact with the nine scabbards, and you wish you had more of that. What exactly about him is interesting enough for Yamato to want to emulate?
@@alt_aria lml … bro sacrificed himself for his people!!
If Yamato had Weevil's design people would not defend this character 💀
Wrong, you'd still get out of touch libs desperately calling for T rights or some crap. They'd be a much smaller minority, but they're always in every fan group.
@@aetherblackbolt1301People thinking Yamato was trans is Oda's fault and no one else's, in the same arc with Kiku who's an actual trans character his terrible presentation of the pronoun bullshit and her horribly written identity crisis while never clarifying any of it is what made the discourse so awful, no one was right and no one ever agreed because of Oda's trash writing of the character. Also saying "out of touch" while being scared of gay people is crazy work
@rockstar-made Oda's poor writing is exactly the problem. Given that we have Kiku, as well as Ivankov with a literal devil fruit to let anyone change seggs, it should be clear that Oda is not subtle on these things, and that Yamato's struggles are not "clearly T representation". Common sense libs will be hesitant on that and wait to see what happens. I waited to see if Oda would, but he didn't. In the end he failed so hard in-story that he had to make a correction outside (in an SBS? I forget).
The out of touch ones will throw away all rational thought and ignore any poor quality writing to jump at even the slightest chance to call a character T representation and immediately call to ostracise and suppress any one who called Yamato she/her. Having literal warmonger tyrant villains like Kaido follow it and showing that as reason why readers should is quite funny to be honest.
And then the last bit is part of the misrepresentation I don't have patience for. Gay people are not Trans and you cannot lump them together. You will find 100s of millions of people that can integrate and live with gay people just fine but draw the line at Trans stuff. Namely because we don't have Ivankov-style devil fruits in real life, whilst the actual medical costs and effectiveness is predatory and used by medical corpos to make millions off of vulnerable individuals via lifelong treatment (as well as effectively sterilising them so they cant have children later if they change their mind). So until we have the scientific and medical advancements, this should not be encouraged or pretended to be viable.
@@aetherblackbolt1301 I don't disagree that there's people that jump on any opportunity to call characters X or Y but you can't blame anyone for doing it with Yamato when the story WANTED you to refer to her as he/him and as you said Oda isn't subtle at all with these things so this felt like another Kiku case for a lot of people, the story not only justified this line of thought but actively reinforced it until outside material kept coming out calling Yamato a female, it's literally just Oda's fault for his horrible execution of the character.
And i don't know why you're going there but your argument is that transgender people can't exist if they don't pass or a magical Ivankov fruit doesn't exist?? What?? And what do you mean pretend to be viable when it's quite literally the ONLY treatment that leads to any sort of happiness because it's the only thing that actually addresses the issue they're having with themselves?? Sterilizing them on purpose??? Huh?? Brother you can just say you don't like them instead of making shit up and pretending you "care about vulnerable people" that you are actively against receiving the only treatment that actually works. Let people be free to do what makes them happy, that's the whole message of the pirate manga you're a fan of.
@@aetherblackbolt1301 it is perfect writing you are just slow. Yamato wants to be considered a man because Oden is a man. Kaido literally wants to save the world. Why would he care about yamato pronouns.
It was Dressrosa for me. Boy, did I hate that arc. But by the time Wano came around I recognized my feelings on Dressrosa and why I had felt that way, so it was easier for me to reckon with any negative feelings going forward.
Not to discount anyone’s experiences or feelings, but I think being terminally online, constantly engaging with a slow moving story, and constantly interacting with an extremely varied fanbase causes serious brainrot. Jay has done well staying true to himself, but I think it’s easy to see how creators lose their mind and don’t experience these stories like regular readers.
Dressrosa was so much better when I re-read it all at once compared to that initial read. One Piece in general is a much smoother read when you binge it. I was so put off by Wano, I stopped reading for like a year. But then I got to read all of Egghead up to the start of the Luffy vs Kizaru fight and that was such an amazing experience it renewed my love for the series lol.
More like punk hazard and dressrossa back to back.
I think the problem with Dressrosa it was treating itself like it was WAY more of an important arc then it actually is lol
Like it was important for them shaking stuff in the New World and gaining the armada. But at the same time, The Arc was treating itself like an epic spectacle, like it was Marineford 2.0, when it really just needed to focus on being a tight, impactful arc to set up the Straw Hats’ rise in the New World.
Instead, it became a prime example of One Piece’s tendency to overindulge in its own world-building.
@@mistersureshot1749It was Doffy's arc let it be grand
@@royalfun1031 I Love Doffy, but he isn't Final Boss Material, He is a back alley conniving Don/Drug Dealer with connections , so the moment Oda decided to turn this puppetmaster into a Physical tanky Boxer...I was left kind of Appalled.....
Jay making a video about Wano before Morj? W!
Morj is too scared to talk about Wano even though we all know he didn't like it.
He got too much backlash. İt is generally not worth risking thousands of subs and income to rant, even if we know he really wishes to.(And did in the past)
Morj doesn't care about backlash lol he has at least 10 hot takes every stream
Morj hasn't done it yet because he wants to make it as perfect as possible. No disrespect to Jay but people take Morj much more seriously in the community when it comes to analyzing the story. If Morj somehow makes a "dumb" point on that video, people are gonna flame him for ages and he could possibly lose his reputation as the youtuber who's arguably the best at analyzing Oda's writing on a large scale.
@FlyingDuck38
While it is true that Morj analysis are more well-put, the thing is he will get flamed even if he writes the greatest thesis on that video.
If you are familiar woth wider OP fanbase, whatever great analysis,claims he puts forwards,gives perfect examples and criticisim, he will still get flamed and lose subs.
Many fans don't even watch the vid before hotting dislike and unsubbing. Many will flame and give strawman comments or simply misinterpret Morj(intentionally or unintentionally).
You overestimate average OP fan's ability to take criticism, or watch something and digest it. Even if Morj creates a Masterpiece of a video, he will still get flamed and ridiculed. This is an unfortunate truth of tje fanbase. It doesn't matter how good the content is, when the consumer's are at this state.
@@fy4072
While I agree with your point, it isn't what I meant.
By "people" I meant those who are loyal to him & his content(constantly engage with his videos and streams).
Nowadays most of Jay's 'loyal fanbase' thrive around his "Agenda Piece" content so an analytical criticism won't affect that much of his loyal viewers. While for Morj it's the opposite as nearly every one of his loyal viewers consume his content for analysis(I regard theories as analysis too since most of the time it requires analyzing)
Morj doesn't seem to care about backlash that comes outside of his own fanbase, we've seen this constantly as he makes controversial takes in his streams & also during Reverie. The point is that it's more risky for Morj to drop a Wano analysis than Jay. Everyone knows Morj doesn't like Wano and he criticizes it a lot but if he slips something dumb he's gonna get backlash from his own loyal fanbase. Those who support him through patreon, watch most of his streams and donate money for him.
Wano was also by far the WORST place that community discussion had ever been in. Its better now that people have been able to sit on it but at the time much of the community was in a blind optimism phase and would not even entertain any sort of criticism. Cope was at an all time high
The whole reason Piratefolk became super prominent imo. Criticism was shouted down and ridiculed.
Between that, how long it was, and the Yamato discourse (about her joining the crew and the gender wars), I don’t think the fanbase has fully recovered even now.
Really? I was hearing criticism after criticism almost every week during the entirety of Wano.
@@miyamotomusashi6450I was seeing the same honestly. Like people saying that some of the chapters were a complete waste and a whole bunch of other stuff
@@GRizzle206that sub is garbage
YES. THIS VIDEO. You put into words how Wano made me feel. The community aint ready for this. Watch out for the Morj Wano analysis as well.
COVID did irreparable damage to the wider animanga community because it caused this unsustainable hype train for everything with millions of new readers and writers and One Piece was one of the major victims of that growth because it was one of the largest franchises that was still ongoing. Its trickle down affected other series also like Demon Slayer, JJK, Spy x Family, and Tokyo Revengers.
@@Twilightavalon facts
TRUE THOUGH 💀💀💀💀manga piracy skyrocketed after pandemic, and toxicity became rampant. For example, the amount part 7 jojo glazers exploded like mitosis after the pandemic
"Kaido was a liberal he respected Yamato's pronouns" holy fuck that is to good
My biggest problem with Wano is the focus. It feels like Oda spent too much time on things that didn’t matter and too little on things that did.
Throughout the New World the strawhats had taken a bit of a backseat and I was looking forward to them being the main focus with a major storyline in Wano again which didn’t end up being the case.
And yes they all got fights for the most part, but that’s not the same as a storyline.
@RaffDGoat yeah people too often get plot and fights mixed together. You can have a storyline during a fight and that's fine but when it's all fight and no storyline and said storyline is nowhere to be found then it becomes a problem. Cause it's just a fight and nothing more
@@darknesswave100 yes I agree, that’s what I feel like was lacking with fights in Wano. Not all of them tho, Sanji’s for example (Ch 1031 in particular) i would say was very well done.
You know when you're writing an essay but you don't brainstorm and just wing it and you have a bunch of cool ideas and branch off into different things but end up on a completely different point? That's unfortunately wano
@@RaffDGoat wait what ? Wano is one of the most concise arcs in the story. Everything mattered. Every plot-point and important character had deep focus. What are you talking about?
Sanji-Robin-Nami-zoro-chopper were amazing and Luffy got his best arc in the whole series. There is nothing more that could be done with it
The wano crash outs remind of kol losing it on fairy tale back in the day
Nah nowhere close KOL destroyed fairy tail
@@impactovernumbers5157what’d he say on Fairy Tail
@iegendkilla8559 that basically it's trash and none of the stuff makes any kind of sense and the writer was stumbling around like a drunk the whole time. One of the things he mentioned was about how Erza specifically stated that every bone in her body was broken yet 3 seconds later she jumped into the air and cut a meteor. Stuff like that. I think he has a few videos on the channel where he completely eviscerated the series. It's a fun watch
@@iegendkilla8559watch his chapter 321 rant it's one of the greatest rants I've ever seen 🤣
My problem is that I’m now skeptical about the story. I don’t trust that it will finish well. I want it too, but it’s like a juggler that drops the balls, no matter how much he keeps them up there again, I’m always thinking he’ll drop them again.
@@RobertoSoler Nah. Wano was a masterpiece so it is normal to expect Oda to deliver the absolute best.
Wano itself had some of the best moments in all of fiction
Y’all niggas take this shit too fucking serious
@@wwe12153 Read more manga
@@rockstar-made I did. I definitely read more stories than you. That’s why I can appreciate what One piece has done. Reading more stories only makes you realize how superior one piece is.
So my advice is that you should read more stories and compare it to one piece. You will realize then that it is the best.
I still have faith in Oda. I'm not gonna let one mid arc ruin a nearly 30 year run. Egghead is fantastic when you don't have an agenda merchant yapping in your ear about how its trash because their favorite character got bodied or whatever. Genuinely fantastic arc. Also Elbaf has been pretty good so far.
Disagree about the Sanji vs. Black Maria take! Thought it was a marvelous callback to Enies Lobby and showed his character growth from WCI
he didnt even defend himself, a thing that Sanji always did
Ofc you simps would like it😂
I'll add on the damage he takes from Black Maria is Oda's way of showing how strong Sanji is as well. Bro gets up from the beating like nothing and goes to fight Queen, similar to Zoro breaking all his bones prior to facing King, it's just for hype pretty much
At least block one or two attacks don’t just stand there like a clown, especially after beating the shit out of your captain not too long ago on whole cake island.
@@daytonjob5519 A callback is not great story telling. That’s one thing I will never forgive sanji. His nakamas are risking their lifes and a in a war against the WG in Enies lobby or against not one but two Yonko in Wano and he is part of the monster trio. He is important for the fighting force of the strawhats. Nakama above all but not for sanji I guess. He beats the sh*t out of his captain in WCI but can’t fight women for his friends? Zoro would have killed him right there in WCI when he would have seen that. Luffy literally died in Wano and sanji is wasting his time. This was even worse in Enies lobby. He was couldn’t move and was lucky that somehow water got on his body. the strawhats are a yonko crew now and Sanji is supposed to be one of the two wings of the future pirate king but Luffys enemies just need to send a woman after sanji. That’s a major weakness in Luffys defense as a yonko. Not to mention that sanji is homophobic, transphobic and a sexist and don’t respect womens boundaries. He learnt to fly to escape gays and he want to be invisible in order to stalk women. Sanji is the worst. Even worse than Ussop. And that says a lot.
Hope you can read this Jay, but i just wanted to thank you, 3 yrs ago during act 2 of wano i completely stopped reading OP, but your reactions is what kept me excited to read on a weekly basis, and i haven't missed a reaction since. Absolutely love the content, the community, and the agenda❤
I think you’re misremembering things.
In Act 2 we got Yasuie’s death. In Act 2 we got introduced to Queen properly, the same with King. I feel like you’re mixing Act 1 and 2 together
Sanji calling for help was a good thing. It’s growth. Kalifa vs Sanji ended with Sanji genuinely being beaten and coming back by luck.
Sanji and Black Maria had a different outcome because he asked for help. It’s not at his “expense.”Him relying on someone is a beautiful moment because he always wants to sacrifice himself in every arc. He hasn’t wanted to live for himself, until after WCI where he learns the same lessons Robin had during Ennies Lobby. It’s full circle for BOTH characters.
Facts
My brother, as always, it is a pleasure to listen to you speak your words with honesty and sincerity. Especially with the fantastic one liners that are sprinkled throughout 😂 I just wanted to let you know that I truly appreciate your perspective as someone who has opposing feelings of this very same arc.
With that being said, you have no idea how many of these points I agree with 😭 to the point where it’s kind of scary how thin the line between the two sides of the same coin can be.
I am excited for a potential discussion of this topic in the agenda reverie, specifically on the idea of honesty. Because just as there are many sides of the community that do not accept criticism, there are also sides of the community that are not willing to accept the idea that someone can like what they are criticizing and have that be an honest feeling rather than blind fanboyism.
Always a pleasure my brother. Keep doing what you do!
Great video Jay! I'm glad you were able to fully express your feelings on Wano and the series as a whole and I can definitely agree that Wano had some dark moments. ZKK was a time for the history books LOL! I appreciate you bro and I hope you know your community will always support you and have your back so please continue to speak your mind no matter what the haters say! This is why we do this! To share our passions with others and have dialogue! Keep shining bro
20:23 Negative Parts about Wano
38:59 Kaido part
39:49 Characters don't need a backstory
40:06 funny
41:43 "Hell, my man was a liberal!"
after toki send everybody except her daughter to the future, hiyori could have trained with the samurai for 20 years.. imagine that story. left behind by parents in a country ruled by the people that killed them. trained hiyori could have been the epic shogun, but, she a girl
facts
who would train her?
She isn't physically strong, just like Kuina.
@@sunsetytzDenjiro. Is that a serious question?
@UltimatePower01 oh yeah? here you guys think that a kid can wield a katana 😂😂🤣🤣
Wano failed in a lot of areas ngl
Would like to know where???
And the most overattended arc lol and really helped by the really good animation
The what happened to the big mom pirates and the side miracle drug effect was just ugh wano's ending killed a lot of my joy for the story I've been reading for 6 years
@@sg-xj4hw huh? this almost hour long video touch on most of it, did you even watch it the video ?
@@lunarianlucieneh
That Hiyori bs was NOT NEEDED
Hiyori bad tho
Should twerk
@@Limelight2800 yes it was
@@royalfun1031 Hiyori mid af in terms of looks we already got Yamato for that.
@@Generalmituna8079Tripping
Spot on. Yamato was ass
Her ass juicy tho
Fat ..supple ..ass lol
@@Aliydbn yamato is a great character. Without here. Kaido’s beliefs in fatalism would be reasonable. Basically saying that Kaido is doomed by fate because he was born that way. Basically spitting on One piece core philosophy
had yamato just been yamato instead of oden, she would have been better i think, also in the whole one piece context of dreams, and freedom. just be yamato ^^
@@MrLovolovo we are not in a hurry though. we know that she will decide to be yamato at the end of her character arc.
The first 6 minutes I've watched, you're thoughts are aligning so damn hard with mine. Character driven emotional moment are the reason I like the story to begin with, and I can put up with some jank/baggage because at the end of the day, I knew that there would be at least some really fantastic character writing that elevates the story. It's why the extended world building works so well, there's that core emotional focus to rein everything in, so you don't mind as much when Oda spends time on random side distractions.
But Wano removed that element. Without that time spent hanging on any of the emotional moments and giving them real weight, it just feels like a shaky plot that exists only to continue making itself longer and longer for the sake of "epicness" or something. But not having that character focus gives you a lot of opportunity to look into things like the plot and writing and it just so happens that on that front, the arc also happens to have some of the worst in the series.
And don't get confused, I don't feel like I'm asking for much here, I just kinda expect the bare minimum in regards to this. There are so many plot threads and things happening in Wano, but almost none of them have an extended character focus, it's just plot, plot, plot. But what I mean is, there are so many obvious things that could've been given focus, but instead, none of them are. Why not directly address the shunning of the Korozumi family for example? It would be such an easy thing to bring to the forefront and immediately raise the bar over what it is currently, but it isn't even something that would be earth shattering, it would be expected from One Piece. But in its place, there's just nothing, man. Years long story arc setting length records, has an amazing set up, and then completely flounders the second half. It manages to be both to fast paced and agonizingly slow at the same time. Like, we spend chapters and chapters of dozens of characters just running around, most of them being lucky to have a single line of dialogue every few months. So all of that time is used up, but never in that is there a moment to breath and slow down for characters to simply exist and take the focus for a few chapters. That's what killed the character focus. How am I supposed to feel attachment to a character when their role is in a single panel after months where they say "urgh" in the dialogue box? You just can't. It needs to pick a select few characters to focus on, and also, wisely choose how to focus on them. 99 percent of wano is just boxing matches, nothing else. And yes, it's a shonen battle manga, of course there's going to be a lot of fighting. But to tie it in to the beginning of the comment, that's what makes One Piece stand out to me. The fact that it can elevate a bit beyond just being fighting, and give satisfying character stories as well as fun battles.
...Uh, the end, or something lol. Anyway, time to watch the rest of the video.
Honestly wano is one of my favorite arcs but your thoughts here were all well thought out and I agreed with plenty of your points/still fully respected your opinions on the parts where I didnt.
Looking forward to more of your thoughts going forward because even if i disagree, it only makes me enjoy those bits more by forcing me to address it all further.
Thank you for the time and energy always 🙇🏽♂️
I feel it. My grievances are similar to yours, give and take a few.
Wano curbed my expectations on the tone of the series with the pacing, the lack of deaths and stakes, and failing to deliver on characters.
Egghead was great and Elbaf is good so far, but my expectations of Oda as a writer have been toned down.
One Piece is still my favorite series but i can't vouch for its upmost quality anymore
Update:
I want to make it clear Oda is still a top 5 writer for me. Wano was just a dissappintment compared to its buildup. I still found enjoyment in it. And as of Egghead and Elbaf the series has been back on track with its topnotch storytelling.
I love the idea of this video. This was good no matter how you look at it. You were honest and fair. People with the hate comments should be unbiased and see how the writing is. When you get upset at something that means it moved you. That's a good thing
It moved negatively
@@royalfun1031 things that move you is art tho. For bad or good if something pisses you off that's an emotional response. I hate a few characters from attack on Titan and that's a wonderful thing because it causes a reaction within you. Except foxy. Foxy is just bad writing
yeah you're unbiased for saying it sucks objectively, implying that people who like it can't read/are stupid/whatever. im the biased, toxic one for saying it's good and not trying to talk to you because no matter what happens i get insulted.
I think I have some Wano blinders on because I genuinely liked the arc because that’s when I caught up to the series. The first manga chapter that I read was Luffy vs Kaido round 1 and that was freaking amazing. There were some issues but the anime did a great job on improving some of the best moments of the arc.
I understand a lot of the criticisms, and its fair
But I lowkey think you just dont understand what Oda wanted Yamatos and Kaidos character to show
@@xxlspat3146 could be the case for sure
Elaborate
@@Kenzo411able alright, so this might become a little bit of a yap session, but basically, thats the problem:
All Kaido ever knew was fighting. Thats why all we got from his little flashback was him fighting, and why everytime he´s shown up before Wano, we´ve seen him fighting (be it in flashbacks, him wanting to go to Marineford, or destroying Kidd and Hawkins, etc). Kaidos entire character revolves around strength and war, which is why he sees freedom and justice in that. This is why he accepts Yamatos gender, why he loved Oden, and why he hated Guernika and the old Hag.
We got everything we needed from Kaido, he´s just not the typical antagonist in that most of his story was being told through other flashbacks and his fight on the rooftop (with Luffy and Yamato). Another big flashback is completely unnecessary, as Kaido has fully served his purpouse.
Yamato hated Kaido, as she saw all the flawes of his doings (how he destroyed the land of Wano, and so many lives with it). So, once she saw Oden, what he did and what he stood for, she couldnt help but want to become him. He was the ideal that Yamato wanted to be, which was why she fought Kaido so many times, and cares for Momo, for examble. This the entire reason, why she wants to be Oden, nothing more
So, the conversations around Yamatos gender are useless, as it doesnt have a thing to do with what the character stands for. Yamato just gets inserted into this bs topic because its big (and relevant) in western culture rn. With Kaido, people just had wrong expectations for something we were never gonna get, because we dont need it: The puzzle pieces are already there, fans just never cared to put them together.
Y´all dislike them for the completely wrong reasons, its like hating some scissors because they´re bad at cutting pizza
you miss a giant point made in this video. seeing someone criticize a media in depth and your only take away is they didnt understand it properly is a big issue brought up in this video. we dont have to understand things if the concept isnt portrayed well enough or it doesnt work in a satisfying way. this exact type of comment is mentioned about why the dude is annoyed the community at times. its not about understanding one piece, its about yall dickrides understand criticism
@@rockyino99 cuh is a president of "Agenda Piece" aka the most toxic part of the community, what are we even talking about??? 😂
Thank you my brother man. Thank you for being brave enough to speak and be authentic. While i dont agree with you for everything i agree with most . And thats what's important. We need these kinds of discussions man . We need this commentary. Thank you man
everyone who disagrees isnt brave. you're only brave if you say something sucks and insult people
I’ll never let 1 or even 2 or 3 bad arcs kill my love for One Piece. It has built up too much good will and there are still pieces left on the board for more peak arcs.
Interesting how One Piece not even in my top 3 but i somehow got less problems with Wano then ppl who had it top 1 lol.
Wano had the downsides definetly but i wouldnt call it a bad arc at all.i wouldnt even call it mid,overall in the end of the day it was a GREAT arc.Positives just outweighting the flaws.
And it was almsot always like that in one piece,older arcs have these flaws too and sometimes much more than Wano it seems like some ppl just forgot bcuz they were watching/reading them long ago
Wano doesn't feel like One Piece in the slightest, and it definitely doesn't feel like Oda wrote it, which is such a weird feeling and hard to explain what I mean by that, kind of like a "if you know you know".
Also don't even get me started on the "aura" shit the anime did during this arc. Holy moley is that shit super annoying.
Couldn't agree more. Also the anime will never stop that aura shit either 🤢
Wano was different. But that may be on purpose, since it sets up a whole new phase of the story. So maybe it was supposed to be different. This was Luffy finally beating an emperor of the sea and becoming one himself. He's no longer just a pirate or member of the worst generation but a legit emperor now. Felt like setup for the end game.
@@GRizzle206it reduced
I definitely feel like Oda wrote the arc. One Piece has highs and lows. I thought Fish Man Island arc was boring. Dressrosa felt too long. In retrospect, there some moments that I love. For example, the sun pirates flashback; further analysis of racism and the illogicality of discrimination; Law and Doffy flashbacks; the collosseum matches and all the warriors joining the Straw Hat Grand Fleet; not to forget, Bellamy vs Luffy and Usoppe feats.
@@GRizzle206imagine watching early one piece and then crying about wano animation . Y’all rlly spoiled asf 😂
Subscribed. I've been reading One Piece since 2006, love the series but what I also love are creators that are not afraid to criticize what they like.
Zoro being a samurai, finally going to the COUNTRY of samurai?! And the mfer gets his backstory in an SBS after the arc. His entire character development in Wano was relegated to a set of bullet points. The fact people aren't more outraged by that is insane to me. I'm not even that big of a Zoro fan and I think he was done super dirty.
Ashura’s death hurt because of the way he realized that was pretty much his only option, followed by denjiro screaming and crying that he was so sorry to ashura doji, that part was brutal to me
Hope you find another series to talk about more often
Watching people talk about things they're only half into isn't too enjoyable, but I'll stick around to see your other videos.
Don't agree with all your takes in the video, but was still a solid watch.
Looking forward to seeing what other series you hopefully start to cover
Just re-read my comment and don't want it to seem like I'm saying you have to post less One Piece or anything like that, regardless of what you post I'll be watching most likely, most people are here for you, the One Piece stuff was just the cherry on top 😤
Imma need you to jump on the Kingdom train JD. Peak at it's finest.
He’s not ready for Kanki
Kingdom so fire we need more kingdom cc fr
@@stixo26 he reads Kingdom i think though hes like 50 chps behind more or less
yall wont remember Jay was once a Kingdom reactor in his ol' days
doing my annual re-read now. Shit is honestly my favourite piece of fiction.
As Much as I enjoy Gear 5th for Luffy's fighting style...
The actually explanation of Nika just getting tagged on there last minute I'm never letting go have contrived that was...
I actually like the buildup for Nika. And it’s interesting that Oda chose for Jinbei to be given the exposition first
@@totalgarbage2053 the only thing it accomplish is showing how Stupid the Gorosei/imu really are and Egghead capitalized on it
@@elijahmcfarland3487 all of the antagonists of One Piece have been stupid. They always underestimate Luffy
@@elijahmcfarland3487nah
@@totalgarbage2053 They control the whole world and have virtually infinite resources and they couldn't hunt Luffy down before he awakened his fruit?
i like wano is where oda kinda hit the limit of how far he could stretch an arc. i loved the development, especially with the new animation, but none of it made me emotional or invested for when the final fight came around, aside from the emotions of the samurai’s revenge set up by the oden flashback. i loved the slow pace of the first two acts, but it didn’t end up amounting to much (ESPECIALLY with zoro) and the final fight felt so dragged that when luffy finally beat kaido i was like “oh is it done now” because he’d “beat” him three times already. it felt like it was all juuuust a few chapters and events too long, and the more it dragged out, the less everyone had to do. onigashima kinda made me worry about oda carrying on the story, and as much as i love egghead, it’s non-emphasis on the straw hats made me worry too. elbaf’s newest chapter tho, with robin and saul, is everything. super excited for the future
I personally loved the Sanji, Black Maria, Robin moment for both Sanji and Robin.
I'll be honest; I think Oda just got bored, like editors note that he was going pretty fast at some point, there was just a point where Oda decided he just wanted this all to end already lol
Like his mindset: "Okay Gear 5th was fun to draw and all, but Now I want to get F*ck out of this arc, here is Shanks doing something cool, Yamato you stay here, F*ck Carrot, here is Speech, with a funny pun, Lets race to the Waterfall and Lets get out of here!"
@@ratherthanjekel 25 years don't mean shit when you can make money with Film Red promos in-canon
@@ratherthanjekel Lets not act like Wano's ending wasn't rushed sir..
@@ratherthanjekel No, Because even Oda's editors noted that Oda pacing was faster than usually at some point during the Onigashima raid,
It only cements when characters like Carrot disappeared from the SH's depature and Tama being Kurozumi (just some examples), cause Oda thought those weren't important to cover and the last minute sike on Yamato's part and Sukiyaki just deciding to reveal himself to Momonosuke literally 2 chapters before saying he wanted keep his true identity covered for Momo's sake...clearly Oda's mind was on Egghead stuff at that point.
@@ratherthanjekel So basically you're just stupid and will suck off Oda no matter what?
@@ratherthanjekel That's all anyone does
I took a year break from One Piece over how much I hated Wano. It's still the only time I have ever taken a break from the series. My enthusiasm was killed almost immediately and really disliked a lot of the actions that were taken early on in the arc. It was a slog and I remember being lambasted for my hatred at the time. I'm gladdened to know that others felt the same way now.
That's an exaggeration lmao
Almost no one felt that way. It's crazy that you hated Wano from the start.
Yeah I hate Wano a lot I have it at a 3/10 but hating it from the very start is kinda wild. Why did you feel that way
@MrCrimsonftw 13/10 is accurate and I can see why he hated the first act nothing really happens big besides Zoro vs Hawkins or luffy vs kaido 2nd act is where big shi happens lik Zoro vs killer or sanji vs page1 yasui death etc 3rd is oden fb and all the raid fights like Zoro vs King sanji vs queen rooftop hype alldat
@@sarov7658 Is that enough to hate I understand dislike but hate’s a little strong no?
Jay! Very detailed breakdown and structured well!
Around 25:00 that's honestly a really good point, I just finished listening to the 11.5 hour long Reverie that happened recently and I don't think Oden was brought up once. Now Kyros from Dressrosa was brought up, and that I think adds on to Jay's point as Kyros was definitely an amazingly written character
honestly, i think oden would've been much better if we never saw his backstory and that, if he just stayed this historical larger than life character that we never actually witness, same with Roger
@@thejuiceking2219 You gotta be kidding me. Please tell me you're not serious.
@@thejuiceking2219 Yeah I get where you are coming from, but I don't fully agree. His backstory was still a major plot point of the history of Wano and important to everything that happened. I just think Oden's ultimate decision not to take action and to just trust Orochi and Kaido was a bad look for his character and seemingly the community agrees too. I was weekly during the flashback and heavily involved in the community and people were super excited by Oden and all of his feats and everything so that is where I disagree, until the end of the backstory where he made that decision. Of course, we are looking at the situation in hindsight.
With that said, it somewhat adds to your point where without that info maybe we would think more highly of him, but at the end of the day it did show Oden wasn't perfect and had this blind trust in others that lead to his downfall and the downfall of Wano and horrible things happening to him, the people he loved, the citizens the island... Like sure without that info we would probably respect Oden more so your point makes sense in that regard for sure. But again before that it was definitely good to see Oden's backstory and of course it was all good for the plots sake to know this information so I wouldn't want his backstory removed or anything
@@thejuiceking2219 Though honestly I get what you mean in a way, you're somewhat talking about this like it's a "don't meet your heroes" situation. Some people seem grand and perfect and amazing, and they can be while you look at all their highlights. Yet when you also see something like, this man danced in the streets for however long and trusted these clearly evil people, it's like we saw a bit too much almost lol. That one detail that just made us lose some respect for the guy, but again if he was just a perfect character with no flaws that also wouldn't be interesting. It's just that this mistake he made was an enormous one
Hmm
I think I’ve got some more clarity as to why I seriously dislike Oda’s writing now. Characterisation.
Oda’s characters are so one-tracked, dull and uninteresting. None of them seem to learn anything, no one changes-the best they get is power-ups-and even those seem to elide some of the main cast.
Zoro always gets lost; Usopp is a wimp; Sanji cannot control himself around women-Chopper is a cute mascot.
Two years and none of the above change-none of them are wiser or surprise you as a reader. None of the main cast appear to have a real inner world.
@@yurhomi4478 While I agree that Zoro and Usopp (at least post Dressrosa) are basically two empty husks of characters that Oda is dragging through the story (hopefully toward some sort of payoff, but who even knows at this point), I think Sanji and Chopper are both still well-written.
For Sanji, Oda made up the Germa trauma to give him more substance, which is maybe not what you wanted, but WCI and Wano are handily the best Sanji stuff since Baratie, reaffirming who is at his core. Chopper meanwhile, gets maligned a lot, because visually he has become more and more of a marketable plushy as the story has gone on, but at the very least, his character storyline is also consistently progressing. He is putting his learnings to good use, and more importantly, his journey towards being responsible and dependable that began in Skypiea is paying off more and more.
@@floriandolder8111
Perhaps you’re on to something here. I wouldn’t go as far as to say they’re “well-written” however.
(As an aside, I’m pretty bored of Sanji’s gag now. )
Part of how I measure characterisation is how or (or whether) their experiences change a person.
I see that after the Germa reveal, there isn’t much of that at all. Sanji’s backstory is mostly used to rationalise a power-up. (Maybe I’ve forgotten the details?) We mostly know him as a chef that loves women, now we know he’s ubermensch that loves women? Idk.
In One Piece, we get panels about characters past or what have you yet after we leave an island-most of it is shed. At times, I feel like I’m reading an anthology.
Usopp doesn’t draw from the courage of “Sogeking” for example. The Straw Hats off the back of Ace and Whitebeard’s death, go away for 2 years to train as they correctly surmise that they must be more serious venturing through the New World. In what was supposed to be the most intense moment thus far, we have Luffy effectively trolling whilst fighting “The Strongest Creature alive.”
I feel justified with my stance that these characters appear to be both empty and unlearning.
I’m going to concede with Chopper because I don’t think I can *fairly* say I expected him to be a main fixture for the crew. He’s in alignment with wherever he began really; I’ll say he’s okay I guess.
@@floriandolder8111 The problem I have with Chopper is that he doesn't have a WOW moment, where I'm like, ok Chopper, you cooking, chopper he's kinda there, does some stuff, but he never excites me, and that's been a thing for YEARS at this point
@@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541 Yeah, you are right about that. However, outside of when Monster Point was introduced, Chopper never gave me the sense that we could even expect these WOW moments from him, so I might be a bit more lenient towards him.
I also have become a casual One Piece fan since the end of Wano. I am just...not nearly as invested as I was 10 years ago.
Same. I am 31 years old now and I started the series when I was like 14. I am not the same person anymore. I am an adult and I can’t just unsee what happened to one piece. Egghead and WCI were the only two arcs I liked after time skip. Even WCI was ridiculous from the retrospective. So only Egghead was a great arc to me. One piece is mediocre at best
It's crazy how contentious the comments on this 55 minute video are 3 minutes after it was released
I feel like Yamato’s whole identity crises was a plot that Oda just decided not to resolve for no reason when it would’ve just been the easiest shit to rectify
Just finished the video and.. Sensational. 10/10 meal. Very well and truly muy bien from both Jay and the editor.
Jay D's Wano analysis before Morj's Wano analysis that was promised over 2 years. W move
Wano was Dressrosa but worse. My major gripe with Wano was that it was "Japan, the Island". This directly made One Piece shoot itself in the foot. Oden was mostly a bad character and him dying made him good, it showed a progress in his development. Overall, he was still a major dickhead and got away doing whatever he wanted because "oh look, big Japanese man with diaper is strong so he cool". His glorification, forcing it upon Yamato and as Jay D. stated, preventing them from being their own character, was the final nail in the coffin for me. Yeah, Oden could've been a fun character, but fun isn't always great. He was very flawed, but making Wano revolve AROUND the glorified idea of that character was both good AND (mostly) bad. Oden was the mistake of Wano and I think that without him the story would've been even better.
We could've had an Alabasta 2.0. People fighting a corrupt ruler who sold his people. Said leader gets abused by by his collaborators for being a pushover. A group of rebels wanting to do a coup d'etat to free their land. Momonosuke being the child of a "revolutionary leader" from within Wano. Tying Wano into the actual Revolutionaries storyline would've been amazing.
But no. We got Oden. Man, fuck Oden.
Btw you are allowed to like the character, this is not against anyone liking him. Like Jay D., my issue is the introduction of a "great" character and how they were just wasted potential. He made everything in the story bad and inconsistent.
Wano is better than dressrosa and 90% op arcs lol
@@gamingparadise3390 How is it better?
@@danielg107Wano’s biggest problem( which I see with a lot of weekly jump titles or even serialized weekly stories) is that the writers plan for a lot of the macro elements of the story( the big moments like gear 5 and Oden’s flashback) and fail to account for the smaller details. This is where a good editor comes into play. They will point these out and work well within the vision.
The issue with Oden I find is two fold. One is that Oda tired to do too much with the Oden flashback. His history, initial meeting with the Scabbards, Orochi, and Roger/WB. If Oda had split the flashback where the first half was us seeing him( this can be done when Kine Mon is in front of Oden’s castle and he tells the straw hats) and his upbringing and how he met the scabbards, concluding with him leaving with WB. And then the second half was WB adventures with Roger that could have worked.
Especially better fleshing Oden out so as he can have more depth to him as a character. Because he’s lacking depth.
The other issue with Oden is that he presents a pretty sizable plot hole. If Whitebeard cared so much about Oden, why didn’t he go to war with Kaidou after his death? Keep in mind, he did the same thing when Ace was captured by the WG.
A solution could have been to have there be a war but it ended in a stalemate or failure for WB. Tie in the fact that his illness or age also played a factor. From there the reader can infer that is why he advised Ace not to go after Blackbeard and WhiteBeard acted with Ace’s capture in spite of his injuries because he’s his “son”.
This is what I mean by micro details. Good stories. Things need to connect. Wano doesn’t really follow. It’s one big macro idea without the smaller bits and details to really justify it.
@@Avarn388 Such a nice way to explain how Oden fell flat when trying to be incorporated to greater plots. And as you mentioned too, it is in major plotlines like this where we can see how an editor can heavily impact the progression of a story.
As a person who loves to heard people express why they dislike something, I salute and praise you. Brother. I hope in the future you are able to truly exress you dislike for things as freely as your love for things.
Hawkins was comedy ? What are you watching, two piece ? He knew from the get-go he was gonna die this arc, had too much pride to grovel like Drake after having betrayed everyone, knowing full well he was on the losing side, and went out sticking to his guns like he should, after having given one of the best non-rooftop fights of the arc
Btw. Hawkins will be alive.
Really the only reason why people saw wano as a “top 3/5” arc was because of recency bias. See, during wano (before gear 5 reveal) people were like “oh!!! There’s still development to be had and it has oden lore so it’s peak!!” and people who thought that long arc = “good”arc (bloated).
However, after gear 5, in both the anime and manga, people said wano was the BEST arc because it had gear 5 luffy (which ties into recency bias)
Now that in the anime wano ended, and inn the manga we are well past wano, we can finally take a more critical loook at wano without 500 glazers breathing down your neck saying “gear 5… gear 5… oden flashback….”
Just my thoughts btw
Don't even get me started with putting so much essential lore in SBSs, like I'd love for Zoro to know about his family lineage in Wano and understands why Shusui is a treasure, he'd pay so much homage to Ryuma as his ancestor and his fight with his corpse in thriller bark, It'd be would have a much deeper meaning, like give my boy some character development, or even putting the rocky port incident for instance...
@@DarkTheDoc this latest trend of his is so atrocious and off-putting. Probably one of the key reasons I'm so uninvested in the story now.
@@GRizzle206 I don't blame you, I'm far from being uninterested, but stuff like this put a really bad taste in my mouth
If you think amnesia was bad, what if I tell you Saul is really alive, and the fire from the buster call “must have” melted the ice away and “pushed” him to the ocean
I dont mind you talkimg about other animes. Jay (god it weird since I have that same name) im here cause your a good content creator.
The fact that Jay didn't even mention Kyoshiro disappearing for the whole fight after the rooftop.
Imagine Kyoshiro that stayed in Wano for 20yrs didn't have one single character moment in the fight.
Wano had done irreparable damage to this community
I think some of the perspectives here are flawed but the one I wanted to talk about it is Kaido and Yamato and the analysis on their characters
Because the main theme of Wano is that despair cannot win over the power provided by resolve and hope, it shouldn’t be any surprise that the driving force behind Kaido’s character is the concept of despair. His motivations, his methods, and his moral outlook all stem outward from “despair,” the absence of hope and optimism.
Kaido’s motivations are conveyed to us with his flashback and also the backstory that’s provided for him through the flashbacks and statements of other characters. His flashback communicates to us that Kaido has lived a life where every major stage consists of one despair-inducing event after another.
The earliest we meet Kaido, he is a child soldier in a country crippled by poverty and must constantly wage war to get by. He is trafficked to the Navy, who holds him captive. He is able to escape, and then joins a pirate crew who we are informed are filled with bloodthirsty and treacherous cutthroats who will claim each other’s lives at a moment’s notice. He is then imprisoned and experimented on; it’s alluded that the experience was tortuous for Kaido. Even when Kaido fights Oden and their battle is ruined, there is another element of despair here: Kaido is robbed of the figure he’s pursuing because Oden’s loss cemented he wasn’t Joy Boy.
Beyond being experiences steeped in despair, what these events have in common is that Kaido survived and ultimately thrived through and within them all because he was strong. These life experiences are why Kaido ultimately comes to the conclusion that a person’s worth is determined by war. This conclusion that worth corresponds with strength is why Kaido comes to believe he is the only person that can change the world, as expressed when he meets King. When Kaido learns of Joy Boy and the kind of world that figure is slated to create, Kaido dismisses the notion that he is Joy Boy because he wants to make a different world; this is also expressed to King. It’s why Kaido comes to the conclusion that the person who will defeat him must be Joy Boy; if Joy Boy is fated to be the one to change the world, then he must be worth more than Kaido and therefore stronger. But until then, Kaido carries on and we are able to see how despair drives him in his methods.
We are told near the beginning of the Yonko Saga that pirates have two options: be crushed by the Emperors or join them. The themes of despair are started early in this saga, and we eventually come to see that Kaido has weaponized despair. He’s crushed the spirit of Wano over the past 20 years. He prefers to crush the spirits of pirates who challenge him so they join his crew, rather than outright kill them. The SMILE fruits that he has made make a mockery of joy and hope. He tells Luffy that the samurai have accepted defeat into their hearts. When Kaido mocks Luffy for being close to death the first time Luffy uses Gear 5, when he roars that he cannot be defeated, when he comments on how Luffy’s light never leaves his eyes despite how precarious the situation is. Kaido laments on how humans aren’t able to give up hope. When Kaido believes he killed Luffy, he returns to the Skull Dome and announces that the samurai’s loss has “cost them their freedom and their hope”: despair.
Even the way Kaido’s subordinates are written serve to establish proximity between Kaido and the concept of despair. Jack decimates the Mink population, refusing to even allow them the respite from torture by surrendering. Queen enjoys playing death games that toy with his victims’ sense of hope, most notably being the Ice Ogre virus that forces the enemy to attack their own allies. There’s also the torture he chooses for Kid and Killer, dunking below water then raising them before dunking them again to ensure that they feel hopeless. King abandons any hope for the future, seeing himself as nothing more than a tool for Kaido; he also tries to force despair onto Zoro by asserting that there’s no possible way for a human to beat a Lunarian.
Kaido being ideologically driven by despair is well established by the text. The backstory that gets chided for being a “slideshow” informs us of how Kaido’s life leads him to adopt this approach. But, it’s not just something Kaido inflicts on others. It’s also key to why Kaido is suicidal. Why Kaido wants to kill himself is one of the more controversial aspects of his character; some feel that it went nowhere but it makes more sense when evaluating him through the context of a character driven by despair.
The value Kaido sees in death is one of the more subtle aspects of his character. He tells the Scabbards “it’s no longer the way of the times, but death completes a person,” indicating that Kaido’s reverence for death is a somewhat cultural aspect of his character and the world around him has simply moved past this. This is consistent with Kaido’s declaration that the world has grown boring and reflects his desire to throw the world back into war.
Kaido also indicates that legacy is a key aspect to his desire for death. In his introduction, he muses that Whitebeard “did it right” in regards to dying. It comes across as simply dying is how Whitebeard did it “right” initially, but then Kaido also tells the Scabbards that they weren’t worthy enough to kill him like Oden was. He compliments both Oden and Luffy by saying that they did well because people will speak of their great battles before dying. Kaido doesn’t just value death, he values a death that is worth something. That’s why Kaido doesn’t just jump into the ocean or eat a second Devil Fruit. But what does this have to do with Kaido wanting to kill himself?
Kaido’s belief that war determines a person’s worth is why he believes that only he can change the world. After all, if he’s the strongest then he must be worth the most. When he learns about Joy Boy, this figure that’s seemingly fated to change the world, he comes to the conclusion that Joy Boy must be stronger than him because he’d have to be in order to change the world. Decades of supremacy has cemented in Kaido that there is none who can defeat him. But that means the only person who could give him the death required for him to become “complete” is himself. The irony is that Kaido is so strong, he’s unable to kill himself or be killed by another in a way that he feels is worthy of that very strength. It’s why he’s invested in whether or not Luffy is Joy Boy.
Kaido is living his own despair whenever a promising prospect like Oden, Shanks, Whitebeard, Rocks, or Roger ultimately fails to become Joy Boy. Yeah, those five silhouettes weren't powerscaling. It was Kaido looking at Luffy and going “Can you really do what these men couldn’t?” You can see Kaido’s eyes change over the course of the rooftop fight, going from shaded to clear until he knocks Luffy off of Onigashima. Then, his eyes are shaded again. He feels hope, and is reminded of the truth his life has shown him for decades: in the end, there’s always despair.
You tried to say Wano has a main theme, it was over by the first sentence.
@ nice bad faith approach
@@JackoVXif you're gonna act like a smartass, then at least engage with the arguments here.
@@Synnamon27 This is a superb review of why Kaido is my favorite OP antagonist.
@@JackoVXthis is why community discussion is ass
Respect for providing an honest opinion without sugar coating anything.
im here personally for the Yamato hatetrain lol
but seriously...The Road to Wano felt more exciting then some of the plotlines in Wano. And the stuff that actually happen in Wano; I'm honestly baffled by some of the subplots in the arc that Oda was attempting to juggle so many.....and y'know how bad it is:
From 11 Supernovas, We had 8 of them in this arc.....all this clutter..
crazy they gave us 8 of them, killed 1 of them, and the other two were there just for numbers (literally)
@@mistersureshot1749 they needed to cut the roster of characters
@@mistersureshot1749 i just realized Apoo outlived Hawkins and Kidd lol
@@MagillanicaLouM kidd is not dead
25:57 Liking mothering mode or not is totally personal preference. I will say, it's disingenuous to say Oda came up with it on the spot because it was first introduced in Whole Cake Island. Now, if that moment doesn't hold enough wait to justify it to you, again personal preference, you have every right to feel that way. But to say it was made up on the spot is not accurate.
Yeah this happens a lot. It's frustrating to hear people whining about how the community can't take criticism (which has some truth to it) while making bad criticism themselves. It feels like they're just mad that they called out on this stuff.
@@shadez123 it pretty much only happens with a few extremely toxic community members like Jay or Rogersbase. It's really not common outside of niche forums like WorstGen or Piratefolk and the youtubes of clickbait people like this lol.
@@mattb6616 correct me if I'm wrong (since I REALLY don't wanna check this shi xD) but wasn't Roger whining about how boring Kuma's backstory was and how he wanted it to go back to action? I swear they treating OP as if it's a Dragon Ball 😂
The Oden part was such facts lmao I haven't heard Oden's name since they left wano
and this is why i fucking love JAY as a content guy on One piece and the same with bargo ain't scared to talk about their dislikes and likes in the show and able to see an arc for good or bad.
It's why I have always loved collabing with them! As a content creator it can feel very lonely when you have a gripe with something that the vast majority of your viewers or potential fans have no gripe with whatsoever and I think many people misunderstand the gripes as nitpicks or that we're just hating when in actuality it's BECAUSE of how much the story means to us that we have to go in so hard sometimes.
@@RogersBase You do you. There are a lot of people that despised Wano. Some, like me, long time fans. İt was the buildup of entire Post-TS. With all it's flaws,low points and inconsistencies, praising Wano and hiding it's flaws is the biggest disservice to the series. Not the other way around. Comparing Wano to arcs like Sabaody,Marineford,İmpel Down etc. is laughable at best.
People that are creating fake hype and supressing the issues, are doing more harm to the fandom than good. Causing unnecessery toxicity from both sides, and causing many to lose interest in the series and fandom, rather than bringing them togather.
I respect Jay’s opinion. I think the problem ppl had with Wano was higher than life expectation. Personally I keep my expectations balanced for the most part so I enjoyed it overall however I do understand why ppl dislike it
I agreed with practically every critique in this video. For me the moment of no return was the Ice Zombies. I didn't think I could ever truely DESPISE a story element in One Piece until I encountered that portion of Wano.
To me it always felt like Wano was one piece to its extremes. Wano had Some absolutely great world building, lore reveals, fights, emotional moments and flashbacks but at the same time had an egregious amount of fake out deaths constantly taking the tension out of situations, had a bunch of stuff randomly off-screened, a bunch of the strawhats had like no interesting charachter moments ( Robin had to have like 2 flashbacks to explain her fight and then also another random powerup because she hasnt had anything to do the entire post time skip lol) plus an insane amount of micky mouse plot armor stuff happening in the story like kinemon still being cut in half or the magic mink medicine that fully heals all damage done to you or literally anything Big mom did in that entire arc. I think this is why this arc is so divisive with some people saying its their favorite and some saying they hate it becasue it all depends on how much these flaws bother you and for alot of people this stuff just annoyed them more and more week by week until they were sick of Wano
I think if jimbe was being chased by the big mom pirates would’ve made it more impactful
Yeah, what happened with that?
Yeah, Wano was just all over the place. That arc had the most potential to move plot points forward and character developments, and it's squandered it all and just gave us gear 5 as a payout.
Shout-out to the GOAT, Yasuie, though. And Oden during the Legendary Hour 👌🏾🔥
Worth it with G5
Something which also majorly pissed me off about Wano is how little tension there was for the Straw Hats. They're doing all out war with a YONKOU crew and they're all just like "ight bet" and never waver in the slightest. I guess that's to show how far they've come but given that this is the first time they're going against the full might of an emperor it feels unearned. Kaido's crew seemed utterly terrifying when we got the Zou flashback and witnessed the destruction Jack and his subordinates caused, yet in Wano they were mostly just kinda goofy and non-threatening. Absolutely massive disappointment.
Wano is a huge agenda over story. Oda needs to complete Yonkou arc, yet there's still 2 titans to beat. Oda needs SHP to upgrade, yet there's 10 of them now to focus individually. The results is a speed run of Kaidou and Big Mom, and speedrun of SHP upgrades. There's no time to rest, Wano needs to be huge and be a battle royale, resulting in a lot of compensating.
I think WANO for me is still 7/10 but it doesn't affect my love for one piece. One piece is still top 1 for me and will always be
Hahahah 😂😂😂 kaido, we get that micky mouse slide show "small nikka, medium nikka, big nikka" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
wow. Jay hit 100k and became OFFICIAL. Love to see it.
I agree with most of Jay's takes, but not the Sanji-Maria one. I have more problems with Wano. I don't like Oden's flashback, not just Oden's character. We already know what happened in this flashback.
My reason is: if you're going to show us what happened, then don't tell us beforehand. It's either one or the other. If you want to show, don't tell; and if you're going to tell, then don't bother showing. Taking away the element of surprise makes it bland. It's like spoiling a movie before watching it.
Also, I hate Yamato, not just because of what they did to the One Piece community, but also because their existence felt like a waste of time. The numbers, Onibanshu, Yakuza, and the Mimawarigumi are a waste of time. They're characters that shouldn't exist.
If you're going to make them NPCs, then don't introduce them. It's not like they have a lot of potential that Oda wasted; they don't have any potential to begin with. We already have a lot of characters. We don't need more groups because we don't have the time for them.
Almost every arc had a ton of these NPC characters that were less fleshed out(Yakuza at least had Hyogoro).I swear some of yall just forgot One Piece was always like that bcuz u watched so long ago
@СергейКочан-ь3т oDa made a big deal out of them
NPCs does exist but Oda didn't give them what he gave those characters in wano, it's usually the group leader and his friends the leaders are always fleshed out but those groups not a single important character aside from Hyogoro
Also there is too many of them & too many scabbards too
Yeah I'm subbing, great rant man
Something that always majorly bothered me about Wano was the use of tamas powers. Like shes literally out here brainwashing the enemies into killing their friends and making herself their master, if a villian was doing this shit Luffy would lose his mind and hate them but it ends up being a big reason the alliance wins the war. Literally having luffy awaken as the warrior of liberation all about freedom while his crew is mind controlling the enemy into fighting and killing their own crewmembers is such a weird disconnect that just makes no sense to me.
Oh yeah Tama's powers were hot garbage and waaay too convenient. The SMILEs were literally built up since Sabaody as a major military asset yet when we came to Wano they were treated as a joke, and its users were basically turned into slaves for the protagonists which was ok "because Japanese folklore!!!"
Loved the video and genuine thoughts...
Wano is one arc out of many but the amount of damage it did in making parts of the community temper their expectations needs to be studied especially by those who see the story through the lenses of it can do no wrong.
I'm glad you put this video out. You hit many of the problems I had with the Wano Arc. I think that we need more discussion with the gripe we have with one piece and oda, when it's appropriate.