@Ethan Cohen Marlins look much better than the Mets. Decent lineup but have solid pitching and they consistently have been beating teams they're supposed to be winning against. Mets lineup isn't exciting, inconsistent starting pitching, but the bullpen is just.. Holy balls bad. Trash.
@@ave0828 the lineup is def the least worry, especially with Alvarez and now Baty finding his stride and Pham has turned it on, but yes the SP is too inconsistent. And yes the bullpen is bad and that’s because Eppler is allergic to filling the pen out with a mlb caliber guys. They need to bring up guys from Syracuse, in matter of fact Muckenhirn is getting called up as we speak
This is what happens when you build a team from the top down. The few good players you sign to big contracts have to produce because there's nothing behind them. Last year they produced but not this year. The Mets are basically the east coast version of the Angels. Hell, they even hired their old general manager.
You’re not wrong but the new regime hasn’t had too much in the farm to build off, the obvious goal is to be more like the dodgers (big spending while nurturing the farm).
Top down??? What are you talking about??? Nimmo, McNeil, Alonso, Baty, Alvarez are all homegrown. Mets made big free agent signings and combined them with players from their system. Great formula, but just not working out for them as they are in a BIG funk. But your statement reeks of Yankeefanness.
@@walterjohnson1873 Sure, but what about Lindor, Marte, 40 year old Scherzer and Verlander for massive contracts, Diaz, Vogie.. I’m not necessarily arguing with you, but those are their biggest stars. Not to mention Eduardo Escobar who has been AWFUL.. It always makes no sense to me. They have a very talented club. Maybe the culture just sucks there. I can’t put my finger on it.
@@walterjohnson1873 out of the ones you mentioned, Alonso is the only All-star. Nimmo has actually been one of their more consistent guys. Along with McNeil. Alvarez looks like he’s got it, and Omar Narvaez as a back up ain’t bad at all.
bro even forgot to mention jose quintana who is getting paid 13M this year and will get another 13M next year. he hasn’t thrown a pitch for the mets yet.
In all honesty, the marlins are actually playing really good and have multiple better players than the mets do. They are just ridiculously overpaid for being mid. Marlins are surprsingly close to the braves which is crazy but the braves have pretty much shut them down. Marlins are ahead of both the mets and phillies for super high pay rolls and washington which they should be, but the marlins are a surprise team still in my eyes.
Mets fan here. If I'm being honest with myself, we were a fluke in 2022. If you look at our record post September 1st, we went 18-13 (54.5%) against by far the easiest part of our schedule. Pre-September 1st we went 83-48 (63.4%). There was clearly a decline at the end of the year and this carried into 2023. I liked what we did with the starting pitching. I think Carrasco is a dependable, albeit below average arm. I thought Peterson would continue to be a versatile above average pitcher with a lot of upside, which obviously hasn't panned out. I can't believe Megill still hasn't taken that next step to becoming a competent major league starter. Verlander and Max have suddenly gone from great to average in the span of 7 months. Ultimately, we got very unlucky with our starters and this has put a lot of pressure on a top heavy bullpen. Ottavino and Robertson have been brutally overworked and are gassed at this point. Drew Smith and Jeff Brigham are fine. Stephen Nogosek and Dominic Leone make me want to drink bleach. So on our entire $150 million pitching staff we have about 3 average arms and a bunch of garbage outside of that. The lineup has some players of excellence. We've lost a few very high scoring games. 13-10 @ Atlanta, 11-10 @ Colorado, and 10-7 @ Colorado in just the past 2 weeks. This offense can put runs on the board, but rely on a couple of players to make that happen. Alonso has been great, but he doesn't get on base consistently enough to be considered the clear cut best 1st baseman in the NL. McNeil is in a slump, but should bounce back. Lindor is a gold glove candidate, but he's been abysmal with his bat. Nimmo has been awesome in the field and at the plate. I wish he had a little more power, but I'm cool with a gold glove CF that can sit around the .290-.300 BA range. Baty cannot field as a MLB 3rd baseman, but he's got a solid bat and I think he can become a very good hitter. Canha and Escobar are a little below average. Vientos hasn't shown me anything to make me believes he can be an everyday starter at some point, although maybe if we DH Baty and start Vientos at 3rd base my opinion will change. Alvarez will be the best catcher in baseball at some point in the future, even better than Adley. Marte needs to retire. Vogelbach gets a lot of hate and the media is starting to really get to him. His numbers have tumbled, but I think it's more mental than anything. Overall, this team isn't bad, but we are very mediocre and that won't cut it considering we are paying $500 million this year. We are literally going into the red on the books and this team may not even make the postseason. It's extremely frustrating cause it feels like we have nowhere to go now from here. We're basically stuck until Verlander and Scherzer's contracts expire and we can afford some relievers. We've actually overpayed so much that we are going to have to go moneyball mode like the Rays and A's despite being in the NY market. It feels like I'm stuck on the train tracks and I can see the headlights in the distance. I'm basically just waiting for the train to hit me, which will be when the Marlins take the last NL WC spot from the Mets. Thanks for allowing me to vent...
The JV deal looked good on paper but ultimately 40 years old is old for a professional athlete. And Scherzer is right up there too. Should have put the money spent on JV on a young cheap arm that has amazing potential. But obviously that's not how NY does things.
You could do a video on the madness that is the AL East at the moment. The forth place Jays would be leading the AL & NL Central which is nuts. They could conceivably take up every single wild card spot come September if the Astros can't keep up.
Feel for the Blue Jays as a non fan of their team. They've got 3 cornerstone pieces in their infield and still can barely get past 3rd or 4th in that division.
I'm a die-hard Met fan since 1978. Any question about is x-player really worth X amount of millions of dollars?...That's Steve Cohen's problem. He can afford it. I'm sure the Mets appreciate my money when I renew my 20 game plan in the winter. But, the amount of hot dogs I would have to consume to get even close to what Max Scherzer makes in a week, Joey Chestnut couldn't even handle. I am not as narcissistic as most fans who think they alone are paying Francisco Lindor to strike out. No, that's not your money, Ralph. That's Cohen's hedge fund profits. Drink your Coors Light.
Alonso talked all that shit hitting a HR against Elder in game 1, only to end up striking out in the 9th and losing, and then his wrist gets hurt, he gonna miss 3 weeks, and they got fucking swept by the Braves after having a 3 run advantage in each of those games, LMAO
I think what’s not talked about is going out and buying champions like Verlander. They have already won a title and now you pay them, there isn’t a lot of hunger there. The Braves system works because the players knowingly take a pay cut to win so it becomes a hunger.
A lot of the teams that threw big money away to get better have all been mediocre or downright awful (aforementioned Mets, my Phillies, the Padres ... even the Dodgers are only 9 games over .500). I don't know if it will get better and all of the annoyingly overperforming "bad" teams - like the Marlins - will eventually regress to the mean, but we will have to wait and see.
I feel like - the owners of teams like the Rockies and Marlins who don’t spend and pocket all the money will point and say this is what happens when you overspend - and then continue to grossly underpay their players. It doesn’t help that the Rays are also one of these cheap teams and have proven to be a playoff team despite not spending - and then the other non-spenders try to do the same and fail miserably. Basically, all these teams that spent this off-season and are failing hard right now is VERY BAD for the players in the long run. If I’m a suitor for Ohtani this off-season - do I seriously invest half a billion into a player that could end up easily on the IR and sink my teams season? What if Ohtani regresses on a new team like Soto has so far? More teams will underpay players and it’ll hurt the Players wallets overall.
The Mets traditionally overpay free agent players who are decreasing in performance, are aging, and get injured. Their owners begin the trend by always overpaying for the team and working the numbers for profits, not winning. They're not the Yankees, do not have the same quality farm system, and would do better as a "small ball" team with a much smaller payroll, but try to compete with them by fielding the same kind of squad. Even when they had the best team in MLB in 1986, they degenerated in succeeding years. It's their model. They make $ because they're the only other team in NYC and there are too many fans for the Yankees alone. Thus, they can afford to throw away $ on questionable free agents, field lower quality teams, and remain content to put out just enough quality ro fill the seats and pay the bills. It's a business model that works in NYC, like the Angels do in L.A. There's no tradition of quality, consistency, nor a rabid fan base. There is a tradition of doing just enough to make money, which their ownership and stockholders are contented with. 81-81 and a little better sells in NYC. Wait till next year. Ka-ching!
I could have told you Lindor was going to be the player he is right now as soon as he was traded... the skill level of competition(pitching) he faced as a hitter in the AL Central is significantly weaker and less talented, measured by almost any metric or stat available, then the pitching he has seen since playing in the NL East
And I can tell right now that you're an idiot since he's facing less NL East pitching than he has in all of his three seasons in New York due to the new scheduling format.
@Doc Yeah I know I was just saying that slugging percentage is arguably the better version of batting average since it takes into account the value of each hit.
Can you do a video on the Mariners? I feel like on paper, their pitching rotation and batting lineup is up there but they seem to struggle getting above .500.
Money has literally never led to a championship… I think we have been through this w NFL and NBA teams and even other MLB teams… when will they learn. You can’t buy cohesion etc..
Money doesn’t buy championships. Homegrown talent is always a huge plus. That’s why the Astros are so good, we develop players really well. Lost your star shortstop Carlos Correa, just bring up Jeremy Pena to replace him and now he’s a star at a way lower price. MLB isn’t just about who can throw the most money at players, it’s about who can build the best roster of balanced players.
As a Mets fan, this year has been the most frustrating. The starting rotation is too old and inconsistent, the bats are either completely on or off, and the bullpen feels the pressure of eating so many innings and missing Sugar. Makes me want to give up on them completely in 2023.
Just because you go to another team for more money doesn't mean youll be good Verlander in Houston they knew his limits and coaching staff really knew how to work with him Dusty really took care of him
@Chris Manogue They saved his arm and gave him a ton of rest. The Astros second half 2022 had a 6 man rotation to give JV an extra day off. Also Astros pitching coaches are amazing. Just look at Gerrit Cole. Good pitcher, came to the Astros became amazing and left to become good again. Neither Cole nor Verlander will ever have the same numbers they did at the Astros again.
@Art Vandelay the only person who says this is Alek Manoah. Alek Manoah and Gerrit Cole have never liked each other so taking Alek's word for it is a little hard to do. Furthermore Alek claimed he cheated by using sticky stuff which while technically illegal, was ignored by MLB and was not considered cheating until 2021 which is after he left the Astros. Theres no evidence he did this either. Just an allegation by someone who disliked Cole. Gerrit Cole literally changed his entire pitching style when he came to the Astros. He started to throw a lot more 4seamers and breaking balls instead of focusing on sinkers. It's no secret that Brent Strom is one of the greatest pitching coaches ever which is who coached him at the Astros. Also Gerrit Cole is not the only pitcher to leave the Astros and suck. Verlander and Keuchal are two others that were amazing at the Astros and when they left were never the same.
@@RyzTheGamer it’s well known that both Cole and Verlander used sticky stuff. Verlander was good in ‘22 without it and now sucks with the Mets. Chalk it up to age, the Astros staff, or both. Cole is pitching great now with the Yankees, but Yankees pitchers have been caught cheating this year on more than one occasion so who knows if Cole is using it or not
Yall forgetting the real problem was BMW those years ago trading away our entire farm for not even a wild card spot back in 2019. Cohen already said that hes gonna have to buy short term pitching with the money due to the lack of pitchers in the system.
Takeaways. Baseball needs a salary cap; surplus profits go back to the fans via cheaper prices for ticket, food and parking. If you miss a season due to injury, you don't get your full salary that year. If you choose to play in the World Baseball Classic and get injured, you don't get your salary that year. This is getting ridiculous, players have too much power.
The problem with this team didn't start with Edwin Diaz getting hurt in the WBC. It started way back early last season when both Alonso and Lindor got hit in the head and the face by pitches. Then Marte got hit in the hand and missed time due to a fracture in his finger. The Mets never bothered to retaliate. They never showed that getting hit without consequences wasn't going to fly for them. They let teams off the hook. Opposing teams knew that none of their top players would get hurt. Then in the last regular season series against Atlanta, losing the division after leading for so long completely broke them. In the offseason, they decided to keep more or less the same team as last season. They kept guys like Canha, Vogelbach, Ruf (until the very end of ST), and the majority of the pitching staff even after knowing Edwin was going to be missing for the season. The Mets scouting department is bottom tier in the MLB. They signed 2 catchers going into 2023 because they didn't believe Francisco Alvarez was going to be ready until 2024. They kept Brett Baty from making the MLB roster after having a good Spring Training because they didn't believe he was ready. Buck Showalter has lost his way and lost this team. 2023 is a continuation of the end of the season 2022 and they still haven't recovered.
As a die hard mets fan this has been such a disappointment so far. This team has no spark. And buck seems to throw random lineups every night. No leadership
When you really look at it, the mets simply have a mid way overpaid roster. The braves, astros, rays and others are wayyyyy better. McNeil is still a very solid hitter but everyone else is so mediocre and Alonso does hit a ton of homeruns. At the end of the day though, not really a great team, not the worst but there is way better players they should be able to get with their payroll.
Age catches up to everyone. (Except LeBron.) Verlander was historically great but he's done. It'll boggle your mind but Tim Lincecum has been out the league five years, and he's a year younger than Verlander. This Mets team has never recovered from the collapse last season. Time to make some moves, the pitching is truly terrible and they can't hit for shit either.
Well, at least we're not Oakland. Unless something goes EXTREMELY wrong, EXTREMELY fast, the Mets aren't leaving NY any time soon. Honestly, If they're still struggling at the end of the month, I'd take the expiring deals and get what we could for them. 2023 looks like a wash, punt and try again next year.
Poor Buck Showalter. That man deserves a WS ring based purely on the fact that he's always worked for organizations that don't want to do what they need to do toget him there. 2014 Orioles. Made it all the way to the ALCS... Then the front office decided to partially dismantle the team... all while the team that beat them added the pieces they needed to win the WS the very next year.
Lindor looks like he is trying to crush the ball every swing. Nimmo is slumping. Alonso is hurt. Verlander is meh, scherzer is meh to good. Diaz is hurt. Its not looking good
Oh my. In the 3 weeks since this video was made, the Mets have gone straight downhill. Today 19 games behind the Braves. And this before the All Star game.
People keep saying moving on from Degrom was smart for the Mets, but they turned around spent that money on Verlander who, while the reigning AL Cy Young, just turned 40 and currently is not putting up great numbers. While Degrom signed for longer, Verlander has a higher AAV. And while availability is as important as actual performance, Degrom was performing better this year than Verlander and is younger. With as good as Degrom is, he may be the rare exception when it comes to having a 2nd TJS but still coming back good. Even if money is negligible for the Mets, they still have to identify talent and invest.
As a Mets fan, I honestly don’t know if it’s ever gonna get better and we become a consistently good team, we seem to make one fluke playoff/WS appearence and then fall off the face of the earth, I want to jump ship to the yanks but I’m so emotionally attached to this team that I can’t leave them, I guess we have to say the same thing over and over again, fire buck, and release everyone besides our pitchers, Alvarez and Pete, just start over again I guess I mean like the next era of Mets baseball is gonna be any different, THE METS WILL NEVER CONSTANTLY SUCCEED AND I IT PAINS ME TO SAY IT
This is why the Braves will always be better than the Mets. The Mets may spend big, but the Braves spend much *smarter.* Draft the right guys, sign the right guys, trade for the right guys at the right time. A Lamborghini can't take you off-roading like a rugged jeep can, even if you buy the Lambo specifically to do that.
At some point, the Mets need to accept that their team just isn’t built to compete with the top teams. I’m not saying that they need to start over, but every aspect of their team is not doing well right now. Their lineup is bad. Their starters have been bad. Their bullpen hasn’t done anything noteworthy. Neither has their defense. They need to at least reconsider whether or not their team really is good enough.
As a Mets fan, I don’t care if it’s June and there’s still plenty of games left, their bullpen is not even mid and their rotation is deeply inconsistent. They will not make it into October unless multiple changes are made.
They're trying to go down the same street the Yankees have done - "buy our rings". That just doesn't work as well nowadays as it did back in the Yanks' heyday. You have to spot the great YOUNG players. These old guys break down too soon. Giving multi-year deals to guys in their 30's just isn't very bright.
As a Mets fan it's kind of embarrassing I mean they are a franchise that is not successful i mean when you say there pulling a Mets you know it's a regular thing but I will always be a fan and hopefully in the next 20 years they can be good and win a championship. 2:14
Yeah Buck didn’t deserve manager of the year last year at all. Ppl think the orioles firing him was some horrible mistake but this “I’m real proud of them” bs is why no one likes him. He kept Chris Davis in everyday, and even had him hitting lead off for a few days. Buck is on crack
I'm a pirates fan and we absolutely obliterated the Mets tonight14-7 and quite frankly I think we're a better team than the Mets this year objectively. We only have a quarter the payroll the Mets do honestly I think always signing big-time free agents to huge contracts most of the time does more harm than good in the long run the most important thing always is growing your own talent in the farm every time.
During the pirates / mets game the other day they couldn't stop dropping the ball to save their lives. They looked like a damn high-school team. Still got the win. But it wasnt by much and it was an ugly path to it. The night before they got destroyed 14 to 7. Against the pirates ..who spend 70 mil a year vs the mets 380. Thats ...pretty abysmal. Fresh of a 7 game losing streak to add insult to injury.
It's almost like Cohen never did the math. Trying to pay an entire 40 man MLB roster is impossibly expensive. If you want to win you gotta focus on the farm, not signing monster deals. But the season isn't over so I guess we will see.
I agree with everything ur saying with all honestly, but just one small thing. In my opinion I think Baty has been pretty good for us considering he’s a rookie. So saying he’s straight up bad is a little an overstretch (again in my opinion)
Completely agree. Had to scroll through the comments to make sure someone thought the same thing. It's kinda not fair to call a rookie with inconsistent playing time bad. Baty has had some great moments
When has buying a championship ever worked? Yankees havent been to the WS since they won in 2009, Mets havent been in forever, Dodgers have only won one since the 80s and who knows if they would have in a normal season, Padres didnt make it past the NLCS. Then you have teams like the Marlins this year or the Astros who only have 2 players making more than 20m a year and are mostly farm talent and they've won more recently than any of the big spenders.
Will the Mets be fine?
no
no
No we won’t the Mets have to bring up Mauricio,DFA Vogelbach then move Mcneil to left with Mauricio at 2nd.
no
unless two or three farm-players come in and inject the good shit into this team......this team is stale garbage
the mets have to overcome the marlins before even worrying about the braves
Marlins will collapse but most importantly Marlins have had trouble playing the Mets.
Phillies too
@Ethan Cohen Marlins look much better than the Mets. Decent lineup but have solid pitching and they consistently have been beating teams they're supposed to be winning against. Mets lineup isn't exciting, inconsistent starting pitching, but the bullpen is just.. Holy balls bad. Trash.
0 chance any compete with the Braves
@@ave0828 the lineup is def the least worry, especially with Alvarez and now Baty finding his stride and Pham has turned it on, but yes the SP is too inconsistent. And yes the bullpen is bad and that’s because Eppler is allergic to filling the pen out with a mlb caliber guys. They need to bring up guys from Syracuse, in matter of fact Muckenhirn is getting called up as we speak
This is what happens when you build a team from the top down. The few good players you sign to big contracts have to produce because there's nothing behind them. Last year they produced but not this year. The Mets are basically the east coast version of the Angels. Hell, they even hired their old general manager.
You’re not wrong but the new regime hasn’t had too much in the farm to build off, the obvious goal is to be more like the dodgers (big spending while nurturing the farm).
Top down??? What are you talking about??? Nimmo, McNeil, Alonso, Baty, Alvarez are all homegrown. Mets made big free agent signings and combined them with players from their system. Great formula, but just not working out for them as they are in a BIG funk. But your statement reeks of Yankeefanness.
The tigers late owner Mike ilitch tried to do the same thing the met owners doing right. Even parallels that with having Verlander and Max scherzer
@@walterjohnson1873 Sure, but what about Lindor, Marte, 40 year old Scherzer and Verlander for massive contracts, Diaz, Vogie.. I’m not necessarily arguing with you, but those are their biggest stars. Not to mention Eduardo Escobar who has been AWFUL..
It always makes no sense to me. They have a very talented club. Maybe the culture just sucks there. I can’t put my finger on it.
@@walterjohnson1873 out of the ones you mentioned, Alonso is the only All-star. Nimmo has actually been one of their more consistent guys. Along with McNeil.
Alvarez looks like he’s got it, and Omar Narvaez as a back up ain’t bad at all.
bro even forgot to mention jose quintana who is getting paid 13M this year and will get another 13M next year. he hasn’t thrown a pitch for the mets yet.
Keep going my tomahawk is chopping
Oh yeah forgot about him
Urinatingtree’s “Meet the Mets: 2023 Edition” is about to be a real banger🔥🔥
"We wish we were the Knicks"
Even the knicks did better in the playoffs. That's embarrassing.
At least we're not the Knicks
What we're seeing is another chapter of LOLMETS being written. When the Marlins are ahead of you in the standings, something is going terribly wrong.
In all honesty, the marlins are actually playing really good and have multiple better players than the mets do. They are just ridiculously overpaid for being mid. Marlins are surprsingly close to the braves which is crazy but the braves have pretty much shut them down. Marlins are ahead of both the mets and phillies for super high pay rolls and washington which they should be, but the marlins are a surprise team still in my eyes.
@@TwoCatsyeah, Miami going out and performing like this is a nice surprise. I wonder if Arraez can keep up the hitting.
@@TwoCats they haven’t played anyone
LOLphillies too then
And when the Marlins are ahead of you with Sandy struggling this year, then a disaster is happening.
Mets fan here. If I'm being honest with myself, we were a fluke in 2022. If you look at our record post September 1st, we went 18-13 (54.5%) against by far the easiest part of our schedule. Pre-September 1st we went 83-48 (63.4%). There was clearly a decline at the end of the year and this carried into 2023. I liked what we did with the starting pitching. I think Carrasco is a dependable, albeit below average arm. I thought Peterson would continue to be a versatile above average pitcher with a lot of upside, which obviously hasn't panned out. I can't believe Megill still hasn't taken that next step to becoming a competent major league starter. Verlander and Max have suddenly gone from great to average in the span of 7 months. Ultimately, we got very unlucky with our starters and this has put a lot of pressure on a top heavy bullpen. Ottavino and Robertson have been brutally overworked and are gassed at this point. Drew Smith and Jeff Brigham are fine. Stephen Nogosek and Dominic Leone make me want to drink bleach. So on our entire $150 million pitching staff we have about 3 average arms and a bunch of garbage outside of that.
The lineup has some players of excellence. We've lost a few very high scoring games. 13-10 @ Atlanta, 11-10 @ Colorado, and 10-7 @ Colorado in just the past 2 weeks. This offense can put runs on the board, but rely on a couple of players to make that happen. Alonso has been great, but he doesn't get on base consistently enough to be considered the clear cut best 1st baseman in the NL. McNeil is in a slump, but should bounce back. Lindor is a gold glove candidate, but he's been abysmal with his bat. Nimmo has been awesome in the field and at the plate. I wish he had a little more power, but I'm cool with a gold glove CF that can sit around the .290-.300 BA range. Baty cannot field as a MLB 3rd baseman, but he's got a solid bat and I think he can become a very good hitter. Canha and Escobar are a little below average. Vientos hasn't shown me anything to make me believes he can be an everyday starter at some point, although maybe if we DH Baty and start Vientos at 3rd base my opinion will change. Alvarez will be the best catcher in baseball at some point in the future, even better than Adley. Marte needs to retire. Vogelbach gets a lot of hate and the media is starting to really get to him. His numbers have tumbled, but I think it's more mental than anything.
Overall, this team isn't bad, but we are very mediocre and that won't cut it considering we are paying $500 million this year. We are literally going into the red on the books and this team may not even make the postseason. It's extremely frustrating cause it feels like we have nowhere to go now from here. We're basically stuck until Verlander and Scherzer's contracts expire and we can afford some relievers. We've actually overpayed so much that we are going to have to go moneyball mode like the Rays and A's despite being in the NY market. It feels like I'm stuck on the train tracks and I can see the headlights in the distance. I'm basically just waiting for the train to hit me, which will be when the Marlins take the last NL WC spot from the Mets.
Thanks for allowing me to vent...
Thanks for your brief comment 👍
The JV deal looked good on paper but ultimately 40 years old is old for a professional athlete. And Scherzer is right up there too. Should have put the money spent on JV on a young cheap arm that has amazing potential. But obviously that's not how NY does things.
Just be happy you got out of the Correa contract....
Oh yeah Go Astros!!!
There’s no way I’m reading allat
But but… throwing money at players makes a team better instantly!
should have thrown 60%-70% of the money on scouting, international free agents, and all their farm systems
Yeah, and then they’ll be bad for over 20 years.
@@tonious35They have invested in all of those things but Cohen has been the owner for barely 2 years. These things take time.
@@sluggernott he just invested in the wrong stuff, worst contracts in mlb history
That’s what we are supposed to believe
You could do a video on the madness that is the AL East at the moment. The forth place Jays would be leading the AL & NL Central which is nuts. They could conceivably take up every single wild card spot come September if the Astros can't keep up.
that would be cool to see. A similar thing almost happened in the NFL last season with the NFC East
Feel for the Blue Jays as a non fan of their team. They've got 3 cornerstone pieces in their infield and still can barely get past 3rd or 4th in that division.
Yeah the interleague play this year has lead to team records within divisions being dumb as fuck.
I'm a die-hard Met fan since 1978. Any question about is x-player really worth X amount of millions of dollars?...That's Steve Cohen's problem. He can afford it. I'm sure the Mets appreciate my money when I renew my 20 game plan in the winter. But, the amount of hot dogs I would have to consume to get even close to what Max Scherzer makes in a week, Joey Chestnut couldn't even handle. I am not as narcissistic as most fans who think they alone are paying Francisco Lindor to strike out. No, that's not your money, Ralph. That's Cohen's hedge fund profits. Drink your Coors Light.
Alonso talked all that shit hitting a HR against Elder in game 1, only to end up striking out in the 9th and losing, and then his wrist gets hurt, he gonna miss 3 weeks, and they got fucking swept by the Braves after having a 3 run advantage in each of those games, LMAO
"the worst teams have the worst batting averages and the best teams have the best batting averages." There you go.
Like I said in the no hitter watch yesterday, I love the content you’ve been making. Keep up the great work!
I heard u said he sucked yesterday
@@ITJustMeKG If you go back to the end of the top of the seventh he says “Thanks Mason.” that’s me
Braves' fans regarding this video:
Show it again! Show it again, please! Show it again!
I think what’s not talked about is going out and buying champions like Verlander. They have already won a title and now you pay them, there isn’t a lot of hunger there. The Braves system works because the players knowingly take a pay cut to win so it becomes a hunger.
A lot of the teams that threw big money away to get better have all been mediocre or downright awful (aforementioned Mets, my Phillies, the Padres ... even the Dodgers are only 9 games over .500). I don't know if it will get better and all of the annoyingly overperforming "bad" teams - like the Marlins - will eventually regress to the mean, but we will have to wait and see.
I feel like - the owners of teams like the Rockies and Marlins who don’t spend and pocket all the money will point and say this is what happens when you overspend - and then continue to grossly underpay their players. It doesn’t help that the Rays are also one of these cheap teams and have proven to be a playoff team despite not spending - and then the other non-spenders try to do the same and fail miserably.
Basically, all these teams that spent this off-season and are failing hard right now is VERY BAD for the players in the long run. If I’m a suitor for Ohtani this off-season - do I seriously invest half a billion into a player that could end up easily on the IR and sink my teams season? What if Ohtani regresses on a new team like Soto has so far? More teams will underpay players and it’ll hurt the Players wallets overall.
The Mets traditionally overpay free agent players who are decreasing in performance, are aging, and get injured. Their owners begin the trend by always overpaying for the team and working the numbers for profits, not winning. They're not the Yankees, do not have the same quality farm system, and would do better as a "small ball" team with a much smaller payroll, but try to compete with them by fielding the same kind of squad. Even when they had the best team in MLB in 1986, they degenerated in succeeding years. It's their model. They make $ because they're the only other team in NYC and there are too many fans for the Yankees alone. Thus, they can afford to throw away $ on questionable free agents, field lower quality teams, and remain content to put out just enough quality ro fill the seats and pay the bills. It's a business model that works in NYC, like the Angels do in L.A. There's no tradition of quality, consistency, nor a rabid fan base. There is a tradition of doing just enough to make money, which their ownership and stockholders are contented with. 81-81 and a little better sells in NYC. Wait till next year. Ka-ching!
Remeber last spring training when the Mets were practicing their World Series celebrations?… hahhahahaha…….
I could have told you Lindor was going to be the player he is right now as soon as he was traded... the skill level of competition(pitching) he faced as a hitter in the AL Central is significantly weaker and less talented, measured by almost any metric or stat available, then the pitching he has seen since playing in the NL East
And I can tell right now that you're an idiot since he's facing less NL East pitching than he has in all of his three seasons in New York due to the new scheduling format.
Yes! Batting average does matter. Getting on base with walks means nothing if nobody is hitting them in.
I feel like batting average is mainly important when you are talking about with runners in scoring position. Even then, slugging percentage exists.
@@Jacobthekid28 I don't disagree with you, but you don't always need extra base hits to drive in a run.
@@Jacobthekid28 you can't have a slugging percentage without your batting average increasing. BA is so very important.
@Doc Yeah I know I was just saying that slugging percentage is arguably the better version of batting average since it takes into account the value of each hit.
@@Jacobthekid28 but it's not a better version, it's a different measurement.
Can you do a video on the Mariners? I feel like on paper, their pitching rotation and batting lineup is up there but they seem to struggle getting above .500.
The mets gonna make a run you buggin!
Yessir
Remember when Mets fans use alway cry to Yankees fans with “YoU caN’t bUY cHaMpiONshIps” (insert curb your enthusiasm music)
Money has literally never led to a championship… I think we have been through this w NFL and NBA teams and even other MLB teams… when will they learn. You can’t buy cohesion etc..
Original owner was affiliated with Bernie Madoff
How you think CITI FIELD was built 🤣🥃🔥🇺🇸
All good points. Thorough analysis. Sad for Met fans.
Money doesn’t buy championships. Homegrown talent is always a huge plus. That’s why the Astros are so good, we develop players really well. Lost your star shortstop Carlos Correa, just bring up Jeremy Pena to replace him and now he’s a star at a way lower price. MLB isn’t just about who can throw the most money at players, it’s about who can build the best roster of balanced players.
Didn’t the Astros play minor league players for a few years in order to get good draft picks? 🤨
@@griffiththewhitefalcon69420 yeah now they’re like the Mets lmao, pay to lose😭
@@cygnus_XI
The Astros are a prime example of a successful tank job.
As a Mets fan, this year has been the most frustrating. The starting rotation is too old and inconsistent, the bats are either completely on or off, and the bullpen feels the pressure of eating so many innings and missing Sugar. Makes me want to give up on them completely in 2023.
Mets fans are the most loyal
@@Yapn0 not giving up on the Mets. Just on the year. I got hopes we can get a Wild Card spot if we turn it around but this year might just be a wash.
@@RandomGuy42016 Tonight just gave me hope man, not the pitching but still hopeful
TH-cam knows too much. I just clicked on the Mets v Astros (6/20/23) game on my tv and this got recommended 😬
This is just yet another typical Mets season. Who would have known that giving money to AARP members was a bad idea
Exactly. It reminds me of the Arizona Cardinals. It was a basically a retirement home for good players past their prime.
Just because you go to another team for more money doesn't mean youll be good
Verlander in Houston they knew his limits and coaching staff really knew how to work with him
Dusty really took care of him
That is interesting because Dusty got so much heat for running Mark Prior into the ground. I guess he learned from experience.
@Chris Manogue They saved his arm and gave him a ton of rest. The Astros second half 2022 had a 6 man rotation to give JV an extra day off. Also Astros pitching coaches are amazing. Just look at Gerrit Cole. Good pitcher, came to the Astros became amazing and left to become good again. Neither Cole nor Verlander will ever have the same numbers they did at the Astros again.
@@RyzTheGamer Gerrit Cole was amazing on the Astros because he cheated
@Art Vandelay the only person who says this is Alek Manoah. Alek Manoah and Gerrit Cole have never liked each other so taking Alek's word for it is a little hard to do. Furthermore Alek claimed he cheated by using sticky stuff which while technically illegal, was ignored by MLB and was not considered cheating until 2021 which is after he left the Astros. Theres no evidence he did this either. Just an allegation by someone who disliked Cole. Gerrit Cole literally changed his entire pitching style when he came to the Astros. He started to throw a lot more 4seamers and breaking balls instead of focusing on sinkers. It's no secret that Brent Strom is one of the greatest pitching coaches ever which is who coached him at the Astros. Also Gerrit Cole is not the only pitcher to leave the Astros and suck. Verlander and Keuchal are two others that were amazing at the Astros and when they left were never the same.
@@RyzTheGamer it’s well known that both Cole and Verlander used sticky stuff. Verlander was good in ‘22 without it and now sucks with the Mets. Chalk it up to age, the Astros staff, or both. Cole is pitching great now with the Yankees, but Yankees pitchers have been caught cheating this year on more than one occasion so who knows if Cole is using it or not
These big dollar, long-term contracts never seem to be worth it. I don't know why teams keep signing these franchise crippling contracts.
What's Bonilla gonna make this year?
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Yall forgetting the real problem was BMW those years ago trading away our entire farm for not even a wild card spot back in 2019. Cohen already said that hes gonna have to buy short term pitching with the money due to the lack of pitchers in the system.
I know Mets fans are probably done with Buck, but appearing on Seinfeld makes you an absolute legend in my book
Takeaways. Baseball needs a salary cap; surplus profits go back to the fans via cheaper prices for ticket, food and parking. If you miss a season due to injury, you don't get your full salary that year. If you choose to play in the World Baseball Classic and get injured, you don't get your salary that year. This is getting ridiculous, players have too much power.
Good luck trying to get this on the new cba tho
its crazy they ever thought lindor was better than seager back when he signed with mets.
Crazy that they thought Lindor was better than Ahmed Rosario
The problem with this team didn't start with Edwin Diaz getting hurt in the WBC. It started way back early last season when both Alonso and Lindor got hit in the head and the face by pitches. Then Marte got hit in the hand and missed time due to a fracture in his finger. The Mets never bothered to retaliate. They never showed that getting hit without consequences wasn't going to fly for them. They let teams off the hook. Opposing teams knew that none of their top players would get hurt. Then in the last regular season series against Atlanta, losing the division after leading for so long completely broke them. In the offseason, they decided to keep more or less the same team as last season. They kept guys like Canha, Vogelbach, Ruf (until the very end of ST), and the majority of the pitching staff even after knowing Edwin was going to be missing for the season. The Mets scouting department is bottom tier in the MLB. They signed 2 catchers going into 2023 because they didn't believe Francisco Alvarez was going to be ready until 2024. They kept Brett Baty from making the MLB roster after having a good Spring Training because they didn't believe he was ready. Buck Showalter has lost his way and lost this team. 2023 is a continuation of the end of the season 2022 and they still haven't recovered.
They had the NE east stolen from them by their most hated rival Braves and the Mets haven't recovered.
@@dave4708 they haven’t. 2023 is just a continuation of the last series against the Braves.
As a die hard mets fan this has been such a disappointment so far. This team has no spark. And buck seems to throw random lineups every night. No leadership
Wait!? The Mets are Mets-ing up….no surprise.
Imagine if they had resigned Degrom, after having Diaz go down….
I love the Mets but I have to watch them always lose with a good team
The New York Bonillas
When you really look at it, the mets simply have a mid way overpaid roster. The braves, astros, rays and others are wayyyyy better. McNeil is still a very solid hitter but everyone else is so mediocre and Alonso does hit a ton of homeruns. At the end of the day though, not really a great team, not the worst but there is way better players they should be able to get with their payroll.
Frank the tank fleming is having a ruf time right now
6:19 the jays fans in the back 💀
Age catches up to everyone. (Except LeBron.) Verlander was historically great but he's done. It'll boggle your mind but Tim Lincecum has been out the league five years, and he's a year younger than Verlander.
This Mets team has never recovered from the collapse last season. Time to make some moves, the pitching is truly terrible and they can't hit for shit either.
It's crazy to think someone will get paid over 40 million while making maybe 32 starts.. over a mil a start no matter what? Shyt
Losing slugger Pete Alonso for 4 to 5 weeks will sink the Good Ship Mets. Steve Cohen must do something drastic.
Well, at least we're not Oakland. Unless something goes EXTREMELY wrong, EXTREMELY fast, the Mets aren't leaving NY any time soon. Honestly, If they're still struggling at the end of the month, I'd take the expiring deals and get what we could for them. 2023 looks like a wash, punt and try again next year.
Poor Buck Showalter. That man deserves a WS ring based purely on the fact that he's always worked for organizations that don't want to do what they need to do toget him there. 2014 Orioles. Made it all the way to the ALCS... Then the front office decided to partially dismantle the team... all while the team that beat them added the pieces they needed to win the WS the very next year.
The LOLMets are still a thing.
As someone who has absolute disdain for the Mets all I can say is 😂
Lindor looks like he is trying to crush the ball every swing. Nimmo is slumping. Alonso is hurt. Verlander is meh, scherzer is meh to good. Diaz is hurt. Its not looking good
Oh my. In the 3 weeks since this video was made, the Mets have gone straight downhill. Today 19 games behind the Braves. And this before the All Star game.
i think what Show Buckwalter was saying was he was proud of the offense vs Strider
Proud of what? The fact that a bunch of professional baseball hitters could score runs against a 24 year old sophomore starter?
@@Julesmarquette that’s what it sounded like, not much to be proud about though
@@Criteriaa agreed
new york sports are a joke and i looooooooove to see it
Lmao they liquidated hard
As a braves fan, I've got this playing on a loop.
as a braves fan i think we took there soul😮
@@drew388lol 28-3 took your soul 😂😂😂
@@Alchemist718 yeah but its back already that was 2016. we have completly rebuilt the team from that.
People keep saying moving on from Degrom was smart for the Mets, but they turned around spent that money on Verlander who, while the reigning AL Cy Young, just turned 40 and currently is not putting up great numbers. While Degrom signed for longer, Verlander has a higher AAV. And while availability is as important as actual performance, Degrom was performing better this year than Verlander and is younger. With as good as Degrom is, he may be the rare exception when it comes to having a 2nd TJS but still coming back good. Even if money is negligible for the Mets, they still have to identify talent and invest.
THROW IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!
30 years to the day of the 1993 Mets. The worst team money can buy.
Players also need to "click" together. Can pay all the money in the world. But good team chemistry keeps morale high, and motivation consistent.
As a Braves fan I was scared of the 2022 Mets but I'm glad that the Mets haven't been very good this year.
It’s weird to have to worry more about the marlins than Mets.
It confuses me how the Mets can win a series against the best team in the mlb, the rays, and then lose to the marlins, reds, and Rockies.
Well, two of those teams having winning seasons so far.
The Mets fans wanted a Steinbrenner-like owner, but got the Steinbrenner of the 80s except Eppler and Buck would have been gone already.
Please do the Padres next. Their record is worse than the Mets. Thanks Issac!
As a Mets fan, I honestly don’t know if it’s ever gonna get better and we become a consistently good team, we seem to make one fluke playoff/WS appearence and then fall off the face of the earth, I want to jump ship to the yanks but I’m so emotionally attached to this team that I can’t leave them, I guess we have to say the same thing over and over again, fire buck, and release everyone besides our pitchers, Alvarez and Pete, just start over again I guess I mean like the next era of Mets baseball is gonna be any different, THE METS WILL NEVER CONSTANTLY SUCCEED AND I IT PAINS ME TO SAY IT
Ngl saying Lindor was never an elite bay is insane. Dude was the best SS in baseball for a few years and that was because of his work on offense
This is why the Braves will always be better than the Mets. The Mets may spend big, but the Braves spend much *smarter.* Draft the right guys, sign the right guys, trade for the right guys at the right time.
A Lamborghini can't take you off-roading like a rugged jeep can, even if you buy the Lambo specifically to do that.
Braves gonna keep owning the division
400 million worth of 💩! As a Yankees fan I love watching the Mets fail!😂
I’ll start wearing my NY Mess tshirt from here on. Hope they fire Eppler and dfa Vogelbach 🤞🏽
Money doesn't win championship
Pirates 14 Mets 7
Tonight 6/9/23
The blacklist cameo at the beginning! 🤣
Not a mess anymore. Playing great!
Pete Alonso was targeted by the Baseball Gods after he showed up Bryce Elder while in the dugout. He should have kept his mouth shut.
I don't know we aren't even at the all star break, lots of things happen in the second half
Not when your rotation and bullpen are both terrible
At some point, the Mets need to accept that their team just isn’t built to compete with the top teams. I’m not saying that they need to start over, but every aspect of their team is not doing well right now. Their lineup is bad. Their starters have been bad. Their bullpen hasn’t done anything noteworthy. Neither has their defense. They need to at least reconsider whether or not their team really is good enough.
THROW IT AGAIN 🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓
Money doesn't always buy champions!
Love the Mets, all about the Mets baby! Hit a home run, let’s go Mets! It’s _ALL_ about the Mets!
Degrom has gone from best pitcher in baseball to most injured
As a Mets fan, I don’t care if it’s June and there’s still plenty of games left, their bullpen is not even mid and their rotation is deeply inconsistent. They will not make it into October unless multiple changes are made.
Money can buy you players,but it can't buy you a team.
They're trying to go down the same street the Yankees have done - "buy our rings". That just doesn't work as well nowadays as it did back in the Yanks' heyday. You have to spot the great YOUNG players. These old guys break down too soon. Giving multi-year deals to guys in their 30's just isn't very bright.
Alonso has not been good. He is Adam Dunn. Four doubles and a .230 average is not a good hitter. Doesn’t matter how many homers he hits
The NY MesS and SD SADres
As a Mets fans, I’m sad. But that’s kind of always how I feel.
They’ve been sad for 36 years now LOL
As a Mets fan it's kind of embarrassing I mean they are a franchise that is not successful i mean when you say there pulling a Mets you know it's a regular thing but I will always be a fan and hopefully in the next 20 years they can be good and win a championship. 2:14
DONT WORRY METS FANS: The Bob Nightengale Tweet from last night just guaranteed a postseason run this season.
Doesn’t start today
Yeah Buck didn’t deserve manager of the year last year at all. Ppl think the orioles firing him was some horrible mistake but this “I’m real proud of them” bs is why no one likes him. He kept Chris Davis in everyday, and even had him hitting lead off for a few days. Buck is on crack
Please do a video on players who sign big contracts and how they never produce after those big contracts.
I'm a pirates fan and we absolutely obliterated the Mets tonight14-7 and quite frankly I think we're a better team than the Mets this year objectively. We only have a quarter the payroll the Mets do honestly I think always signing big-time free agents to huge contracts most of the time does more harm than good in the long run the most important thing always is growing your own talent in the farm every time.
I'm rooting hard for the pirates. I'm an Astros fan but I love what the pirates are doing and am pulling for them to do well.
I still wished your owner payed at least 150 million payroll
During the pirates / mets game the other day they couldn't stop dropping the ball to save their lives. They looked like a damn high-school team. Still got the win. But it wasnt by much and it was an ugly path to it. The night before they got destroyed 14 to 7. Against the pirates ..who spend 70 mil a year vs the mets 380. Thats ...pretty abysmal. Fresh of a 7 game losing streak to add insult to injury.
It's almost like Cohen never did the math. Trying to pay an entire 40 man MLB roster is impossibly expensive. If you want to win you gotta focus on the farm, not signing monster deals. But the season isn't over so I guess we will see.
I agree with everything ur saying with all honestly, but just one small thing. In my opinion I think Baty has been pretty good for us considering he’s a rookie. So saying he’s straight up bad is a little an overstretch (again in my opinion)
Completely agree. Had to scroll through the comments to make sure someone thought the same thing. It's kinda not fair to call a rookie with inconsistent playing time bad. Baty has had some great moments
My Astros are struggling, the Mets are struggling, and the Padres are unbelievably doing bad, baseball is a weird sport😅.
I like these longer videos.
When has buying a championship ever worked? Yankees havent been to the WS since they won in 2009, Mets havent been in forever, Dodgers have only won one since the 80s and who knows if they would have in a normal season, Padres didnt make it past the NLCS. Then you have teams like the Marlins this year or the Astros who only have 2 players making more than 20m a year and are mostly farm talent and they've won more recently than any of the big spenders.