I’m not mad at the players nobody should be, but as a fan it is upsetting to watch your favorite team lose when you want them to win and win when you want them to lose. We saw this same thing last year, we could have Drake Maye right now. We’re upset that they won not that the players won, we’re happy for the players.
Thank you guys for being intelligent, reasonable and fair. The idiotic ranting narrative is absurd. Players get paid to play and win. Coaches coach to win and if they don't, they get fired. As you guys have said, unless you've been on a team, played and gotten paid as a professional, you need to shut your mouths. Now, full disclosure: long term, a loss would have been better. But while I'm watching, I ALWAYS root for wins, to look good, to play hard. Since the mid 70's, I have watched EVERY game, and seen a lot of bad football, but I've also lived through 4 SB's! It's all worth it. Get some perspective, people!!
I enjoyed watching the performance! Although I was disappointed about seeing the Giants lose the first overall pick, those picks aren’t a guaranteed win! This win showed us that there is something to build on.
Carl Banks, paid employee of the team, never has anything negative to say about the team. They have 105 losses in the last 10 years and Carl thinks the fans are impatient. sorry Carl, your takes are weak say something already
I wish we could find a happy medium between being screamed at by the dolts that actually expect the team to intentionally lose, and being lectured by the former players and commentators telling us they’re playing for their livelihood. Most of us understand how beneficial the number 1 pick would be, either for a player or the leverage it provides to stockpile draft capital, while also understanding players do not intentionally lose games. It is fair for us to be upset and wonder where the f**k this performance has been all year!
Thank you guys for your always refreshing perspective on the Giants. No BS... simple facts. No team plays for the first overall draft pick. It's a consolation prize, not an award to be proud of. It's for the biggest loser that I don't prefer to be. I'd really like to see them put it to the Eagles and prevent 26 from breaking the record, especially if they decide to lay down. Go Giants!!!
NYGs don’t throw games, but the Eagles do as we all have witnessed. Especially when it hurts other teams futures, like in the draft. So what do you think they are gonna try next week to keep NY out of the top 5 draft picks.
Respectfully have to disagree with Carl and Bob when discussing Deonte Banks specifically the coaching side. I watch the Eagles a lot and by God do they have a knack for signing guys on the cheap and building them into pro bowl caliber guys. Zach Baum, Mechi Becton will be signing monster deals this offseason. That’s coaching. The Giants have far too many top picks that have fizzled out.
I think it’s funny that former players like Tiki and Carl keep saying they need more than just a #1 pick at QB, but now it’s “they won because of qb play” 😒. I love these guys, but come on. We NEED a franchise QB
I understand the implications of not having the number one pick, but honestly, I don’t want to root for a group of guys that’s willing to go and lay down on Sunday for a hypothetical draft pick. If the Giants love someone in the draft that much, spend the capital and go up and get him. This is a super young team and also has several promising new giants. What kind of message does it send to them if you are going to ask them to take a dive after getting their heads kicked in all year? I’m proud of these guys for the first time all season.
Great job guys! You hit all the points on why you never tank in football. Anyone who thinks differently never played at any level, they are just keyboard warriors. The talk shows stir up a lot of this, just to cause controversy. I have never understood why fans fall for this nonsense; they are just parroting what they hear on the talk shows.
@@conservativeguy9329 just because I happene to agree with them does not mean I don't think for myself. That is a very narrow minded and uninformed comment. Don't make comments about people you know absolutely nothing about.
@@josephcreaden6281 I apologize to you. I wasn't talking about your comment, what I was referring to was people tend to follow the what floods the websites with opinions then take them as there's without thinking for themselves. I played football in high school and have always been a competitor. So I do agree with your post.
Somebody here gets it! Don’t take their team paid talking points, look at the stats and records, that is the only measuring stick and it shows a decade of incompetence.
Good now that we proved that they don’t throw games. We can admit that this is a poorly coached TEAM!!!! The players proved that they have talent!! That was never the issue, even in injury!!! The HC isn’t good at his job. PERIOD Like he said he needs historical QB play just to give his team a chance at winning….
Well, they should. Philly is probably going to throw the game against NY this week. They will claim they are resting their players, but it goes deeper than that alone. Lurie hates the Giants and they want to screw with NY's draft position.
That’s why the Eagles front office and coaching staff is light years better than the Giants. The results don’t lie, especially their GM, the best in the business.
These guys entire argument to the anti tanking crowd was 1 we haven't scouted the QB we don't even know if they are good. Followed by but didn't you see the joy the players had with the win. Like the fans care that the players are now 3-13 losers instead of 2-14 losers. Either way the team still sucks now the future is less certain.
Great positivity you have there. The sun also rises. Have you scouted the two primary qbs? You might look at the Bears and there sure thing franchise selection. It is not difficult to see there are many qbs who can perform at an elite level. And many will be selected after the first round. But hey, don't believe in history...
@@fuquaysteve271 yes I have looked into both QB sanders has good anticipation on his throws and can scramble some. He does hold onto the ball a little bit to long but he generally avoids the pressure unless there is a breakdown in the oline on both the left and right side. His throw motion also doesn't change much. Cam has a slightly more powerful arm but also tends to take more shots into coverage. But In my opinion his throw motion is quick and very pleasing to the eye. He could take a bit to many downfield shots at the next level but he gets the ball out quick. Idk if either will be franchise guys but both look pretty decent. I like cam a bit more on the field and shedur a bit more off it. anyway the fact I have at least looked into the QB and they have not tells me all i need to know.
@@JohnDoe-230 Joe Schoen has personally gone to Colorado and Miami games. So what was the GM doing, not scouting? He went there by accident on his way to get his nails done?
Awesome, we dont tank. We also draft like shit, hire like shit, and have sucked for over 10 years. 2 Giants employees are not the voice of reason. Hearing Carl complain about QB play is priceless. For years we win meaningless games at the end of the year that cost us dearly.
@@jeffsmith2022 Our roster is 3-13!!!!! It's a direct result of bad drafting and player development. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Keep drinking the koolaide.
Tanking is not achieved by how hard players play, it is more achieved by who the team plays or doesn't play. Patriots will likely not play Maye in order to hold on to the 1st pick. Browns will not play Winston. Will the Eagles play Ian Book at QB?
We should be thanking players for still showing up Especially Burns. I don't ever remember growing up with hoping your team loses for draft picks but that was the 90s.
I know this comment section is going to explode. I'm gonna say again. I agree with everything you guys are saying. Idk who is lighting up you x timelines but I don't think any rational fan thinks the players or coaches would ever laugh down and intentionally lose a game. So in my head it was that I wanted them to play well and lose. It's a bargaining chip if nothing else. Obviously I'm proud of them for the way they played. I'm a born and raised Giants fan. I did want that pick though
Most Fans are just parroting what they read and hear from the "experts" and other "parrots" on social media. They're clueless about drafting and building a team as well as coach/GM selection. As Carl says they havent done their research and should. I'm thrilled that they won! Those Gmen smiling made me smile and cheer in my living room. Also happy dancing happened. Oh and go watch the 2 "elite" collegiate QB picks who played in bowl games this weekend. Neither one of them would be top picks in other prior drafts. Oh and Brock Purdy the last man picked, Mr. Irrelevant, won the Niners a Super Bowl. And while you're at it Goggle George Young and Bill Parcells and how Giants Fans wanted them cut loose. Once again Banks and Papa calling it straight and truthful on this this best show on NYG Football. Love you guys!
So let’s keep being bums then. And you’re a qb expert huh. U wouldn’t have looked twice at Purdy and he’s really a bum tbh. How many qb’s did they skip last year. We don’t listen to experts. We have eyes dummy. Every playoff team has a good qb. Where are we going without one in our division dummy. Draft a qb or be the bums we’ve been for 10 years plus
Hoping some of the Giants content creators listen to this show, because these kids are getting really annoying with their takes and crying like baby girls, ranting etc. Giants are going to keep fighting and thats it, either you keep rooting or jump ship..No matter how much you try to make sense of TANKING it won't happen and we need to stop living a fairytale. Get over it
nobody tell bob and banks that the pro scouts at pff the guy who was a scout for the eagles works with colin sometimes all said the giants should tank lol
I have been a loyal fan for 60 years I really hope that they do not choose a quarterback. I hope they can build their offensive line and build their defensive secondary and get another stoplight receiver. I hope you get a stop at quarterback, but I’m afraid if they keep the gentle manager and coach that they will be forced to draft a quarterback, which would be a huge mistake because with the office line at the Giants, he’s gonna get crushed
Disclaimer: I'm a SEC fan. Last year, I posted that Jayden Daniels was the best coming out, and I was I'm crazy. This year, I posted that Jalen Milroe (AL) is the best QB and better than JD, and again, I'm told I'm crazy. JD had 2 1st Rd WRs, and Milroe's best WR is a 17-year-old player who skipped his senior year in HS. Then there are Beck (GA) and Dart (MS). The Giants should draft 2 QBs if possible.
I definitely don't want the Giants to draft Milroe. Not in the first round. I can't see myself being too excited if they draft him in a later round. I'm not as high on him as you are
Please, they laid down on games they could've won. Spare me that nonsense, this team is confused. We had all year to win, especially the games mentioned in the video.
I've been on other sites since saying I'm happy the Giants, who I've rooted for since '65, beat the Colts. Ninety per cent of the other commenters eviscerated my ass, saying I'm just an old chunka coal who doesn't understand how important the #1 draft pick is. Of course, I do know how that pick could help the team. But I also know that there are no sure things. What if I watch the giants, root for them to lose to get a higher pick, and the pick is a bust!? Then what do ya do!? And some said the same thing to me, Carl. That "it's fans like you that make the Giants stink!" Like I have anything to do with it! Yeah, John Mara checks in with me after every game to see how I feel. Yeah, I'm old, and It's been tough to see the Giants as bad as they've been for most of the past decade or so. But the day I sit down with my grandson to watch the Giants, and find myself rooting for them to lose, is the day I stop watching altogether.
I do understand your point and usually I would very much agree with you.I have never rooted for the giants to lose and have been a fan for thirty five years.. But in this one instance, where we have suffered so greatly and lost so much and no, it's not a guarantee, but the ability to use the number 1 pick and gain as much as we can out of it through trading down or getting what we need Was the move and we failed.
@@ericcampan8266it is not like rooting for the home team to lose is fun. But it offers more rebuilding flexibility you can trade back or have your pick of the QB or take best player on the board. Now they have to thread the needle if you trade up and the QB busts well then your double screwed. The win was good for daboll and sure old heads might have enjoyed not being losers for another week. But that is ego pride and short sidedness talking. None of which impresses me even if it is an OG fan who thinks having that mentality is good.
@@ronwan1408 appeases his sense of belonging and tribalism. He views rooting for a giants loss is an act of betrayal against the team and himself. It would make him less of a "fan" he is a person who values loyalty over calculative intellect. That's why he struggles to deal with the majority who don't feel that way. I see his point I just don't subscribe to it
Excellent team performance!! These players played with heart, toughness & they play to WIN 💯💙💙💙🏈🏈🏈. Thank you gentlemen!! Love this show!!! BLEAV IN GIANTS!!
Players don’t throw games but coaches and front office does I don’t want the team to tank but let’s not act like the practice squad call ups guys or guys with lesser money on their contracts show more effort and grit then the ones with more money Nabers is setting a culture but just like a QB can’t fix multiple problems with this team it takes more than 1 player to set the culture and to maintain a culture the owner should get the right hires in the building
The only positive thing about the win these guys could find was "did you see how happy the players were" yeah we are 3-13 the smiles malik and Tracy had have really saved the season 😂 makes this losing season so much better. Who needs the number one pick when you have the JOY around a 2-12 team getting a win. What a joke yo guys.
@benjamincarrasco1834 the giants won the turd bowl 🥣 the most empty anti climatic win in 100 years. But at least the player had joy at the win am i right?
I am happy that the Giants won, the players deserve it. Losing one game after another has a psychological effect which may carry over to the next season if they see that management is not committed to winning.
Well I actually posted this elsewhere but its worth a repeat. This game was absolutely about the question: what's more important team culture or quarterback need? Most people would say meet the quarterback need, so lose. That being said, we have a lot of young guys on this team and losing out would not help them build confidence/culture for 2025. There is some value attached to winning for this reason. Maybe we will still get a quarterback anyway with a trade up (it will cost) or one of these other clown teams winning the last game (and we lose). Considering all this, I could still also ask do you really consider Sanders or Ward to be can't miss selections? Ask the people who drafted Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Trey Lance and on and on. I guess I am not so sure.
winning meaningless games at the end of a season does not carry over into the next season. Remember Week 1 of 2023? A 40-0 loss against Dallas on primetime? Or how about Week 1 vs the Vikings this year, where they got blown out and only scored 6 points at home (I don't remember the exact score)? Even as far back as the last Coughlin years, they would always start slow, win some games in the 2nd half, miss the playoffs and do the same thing the next season. I don't want to hear Malik Nabers complaining about bad QB play in the next few seasons if we don't get anybody good. Especially if Ward or Sanders turn out to be good. I will have zero sympathy for him
@@davidriedy5977 No doubt, I see that what your saying has some validity. But having a ridiculous losing streak like they had with the best players largely being (rookies- Nabers, Tracy or near rookies- Nubin, etc.) can' t be good. That being said, I am with you 110% on Nabers. Do not want to hear him either. He has had plenty of looks and 7 drops, I believe. If they can get a quarterback worth a damn (in draft, free agency or trade) I certainly want one. But really they have so many other holes it really makes me wonder. Best.
I know it I don’t blame players coaches. I’m not,openly rooting for them to lose but as a season ticket holder,I am sick of these meaningless wins where I pay top,dollar, can’t get rid of tix & then the people who go for dirt cheap have a party at end of year to beating another bad team. I don’t expect to win a superbowl every yea but I want games to be competitive & some what meaningful in at least October. At this point I was hoping for 1st pick for the assest it provided being player or picks to build
Carl you made excellent points and really helped me understand why they didn’t tank! I’m still angry and bitter about Schoen letting our best talent and leader leave. There’s one thing that will keep me routing for the Giants. Schoen acknowledging and owning his failures with Barkley or him being fired! Cause good leaders own theirs. I don’t want to hear smoke and deflection. What’s your thoughts Carl about Schoen owning his bad decisions and what he’s learned from it?
Jones was the curse that killed this team for the last 4 years. Keeping him was the worst move in the last 60 years. I will never like Daniel Jones as a matter of fact I dislike him with malice
When the qb doesn't 'ponder' where to throw the ball he will invariably avoid sacks. And players will never tank... that's the province of the GM/HC. Duh.
Banks is young, needs a #1 vet to learn from. For the QB discussion, they don’t have to be generational, the Giants don’t have a QB next season. The reason most fans are upset is bc they could have had bargaining power at #1. 2 to 3 premier picks added to the war chest and you get pick of the top 2. That’s massive for your franchise. Again, it’s a different year bc it’s the QB. Keep it close but pull your better players late.
I agree with you Carl. But if they don't think that the QBs are generational they could get a haul of picks trading back. It's a huge bargaining chip even if you set the QB aside. But I agree with everything you're saying
The fans and players/coaches just don't agree. The fans are going to root for this team long after daboll and the players are gone. Maybe thats why they care more about future drafts than the coaches and players who will be gone soon and are not giants die hard supporters. most of these guys will play for another team if not all of them so yeah they could care less about the draft. But don't lecture the fans on ANYTHING When you lost 10 games in a row and they want to look for a bright future with the top pick. Your out of touch.
@deangarn1488 okay let's play this logic out. What matters more the giants losing having a better asset to reset find a new head coach or trade down and get assets or take best player available ect. Or lose the first pick have a worse head coach and GM destination. So some of our players are 3-13 losers instead of 2-14 losers. So daboll who probably won't even be coaching the giants next year and is not a Giants fan gets to look a little better. the only people who wanted win are people who subscribe to tribal mentality you have to root for us even when we make a bigger mess guys.
Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold will both be available and either could be a great starter with the right coaches. Screw the draft, we have the right coaches.
No way will Darnold be available and if he was it’ll be a huge contract which will hinder us in building depth to the roster. A big no for me, under different circumstances I’d take him but not now.
@@abefroman4715 Great point which leaves Wentz. Could you imagine the chip on his shoulder when we played the Eagles with him? And his contract would be much more reasonable.
Bahahaha Darnold isn’t leaving a winning team w talent to come back to the worst stadium in the NFL and Wentz is a nothing burger back up. My God this fan base…
Indianapolis didn’t have a lot to play for when he took the field a new San Diego already had one search for them to make the playoffs. It was really slim and none I heard call Bank Santa cold outside and play for will they did technically but like I said, it was slim, and then the San Diego one.
I'm a Drew Lock believer. 100%.The talent, brains & heart are there. Plus Hoopster skills. Caught some flack last few weeks, but I never wavered. Hence, not surprised at all with his performance.
I stopped the tape at one minute because I wanted to put my thoughts in before you guys speak. I wouldn’t necessarily be trying to get a quarter quarter back this year for the Giants. It’s not a great draft class for quarterbacks. There’s only two in the first round, I don’t like either one of them. I don’t think either one of them gonna have a good career in the NFL, what I have to do with the Raditude I would get the best player on the board whatever position he’s up and take him I will even drop Tom I was out picked down with somebody and get a couple players if you can in the first round along with your head there pick may be another first and the second round her son called in on him and get players worry about quarterback next year can I always find a journeyman for the year i.e., Kurt Warner
Good, so next season, when the team is 2 or 3 wins late in the season they can be worried more about personal records again. F the future of the team. Let's just do the EXACT same thing again. When you look at the Lions, Eagles, and other team that were this bad a few years ago, they have built teams that are Super Bowl ready in 3 years. The Giants? They not convince a competent candidate to come here a be the GM. So because the organization is dysfunctional due to Mara's nepotism, and no worthy candidates would want this job. If the rumors are true, Joe Schoen is safe and Daboll is getting sacked, the team is stuck in a loop of doing the same thing over again. Hire an incompetent GM and coach, fire the coach because the GM can't build a team capable of winning. Hire a less qualified and more inexperienced coach because no one wants the job. Have a losing season, with a meaningless 4 or so wins. Git rid of the coach and GM. Hire an incompetent GM and coach, fire the coach because the GM can't build a team capable of winning. Hire a less qualified and more inexperienced coach because no one wants the job. Have a losing season, with a meaningless 4 or so wins. Git rid of the coach and GM. Y'all are literally pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining.
Thank you, Bob and Carl, for your honest realistic analysis of the Giants. I want the Giants to win every game. Drew Lock may be the Giants' bridge quarterback or the Giants' "franchise" quarterback. In my opinion, the most important positions on a football team are the offensive and defensive lines. Daniel Jones never had a strong offensive line; instead, he was battered, bruised, and crippled, which affected his play. As Carl asserted, Drew Lock was not sacked, and he had time to throw.
They don't win games either worst team in the nfl over the last decade them and the jets... How'd those wins carry over the last few years guess that check keeps clearing from Mara huh boys ? This franchise is a league wide joke now the proof is in the record which is abysmal.
The level of disgust I get from these videos now is insane! These two are straight up organizational mouthpieces and their pompous attitudes would make anyone vomit. This coming from a diehard and someone who wasn’t actively rooting for a tank either.
You bums are breaking down a game THAT DOESN’T MATTER. WE NEED A FRANCHISE QB. WE WONT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OUR OWN DIVISION WITHOUT ONE. STOP COMPARING THE GIANTS TO LAST YEAR GIANTS. U COMPARE YOURSELF TO YOUR DIVISION.
Rather than focus on the "quarterback," look at it as having the position. #1 overall is worth a whole lot more than #4 overall should a trade be viable.
Carl telling fans to have courage and tweet it at the players. Heck i want to plane over the stadium that says. NOW YOU TRY TO WIN?? So all the people can see it.
Ask the Bears where a top pick gets you... They have lost ten straight. Caleb Williams and Justin Fields are a combined 17 - 42 since 2021. RULE #1 Control the line of scrimmage on both sides.
Maybe lock is the guy. One thing I noticed , was that Lock threw the ball on time. His release was faster than Daniel jones. He hit guys in stride with anticipation.
Not hard to hit a WR at the line of scrimmage🤦♂️ Most of his downfield throws were bad…the Wr made great adjustments🤦♂️ This is what it looks like when you don’t get hit or sacked as a QB n the WRs break tackles
Gentlemen, always great listening to you both, totally concur with your point on the thought of asking professional athletes to tank for a possibility. I was prepared for another loss, but was really proud of the team winning in almost every phase of the game. I put the run blocking down due to o line injuries, I also think the young nucleus isn’t too far from being competitive, need depth!
The Most Pathetic Team winning Meaningless Games for Nothing!!!💯..Dabol must be Fired asap!! Giants are Dumbest Team in the league. And shoutout to Drew Lock who Destroy Giants Future!
Very pleased that Giants won, especially with offense's performance. These are professional football players and should be hard-wired to win. Apologize to no one. Very proud of Big Blue 👍
Cleaning up the fundamental mistakes is huge. How many good plays were called back for meaningless mistakes. Getting the defensive off the field on 3rd down is another huge issue. I'm more worried about that than the draft. Top 5 would be good though lol
The thing that ticks me off is the fans who continue to complain once they win yes I’ll admit I was one of the fans who would rather have them lose, but once they win, I accept it players don’t tank. They play hard for their jobs. Stop crying like a baby.
I Thank you Carl For Helping me See This Loss Differently I So Appreciate You Two
I’m not mad at the players nobody should be, but as a fan it is upsetting to watch your favorite team lose when you want them to win and win when you want them to lose. We saw this same thing last year, we could have Drake Maye right now. We’re upset that they won not that the players won, we’re happy for the players.
Thank you guys for being intelligent, reasonable and fair. The idiotic ranting narrative is absurd. Players get paid to play and win. Coaches coach to win and if they don't, they get fired. As you guys have said, unless you've been on a team, played and gotten paid as a professional, you need to shut your mouths. Now, full disclosure: long term, a loss would have been better. But while I'm watching, I ALWAYS root for wins, to look good, to play hard. Since the mid 70's, I have watched EVERY game, and seen a lot of bad football, but I've also lived through 4 SB's! It's all worth it. Get some perspective, people!!
I enjoyed watching the performance! Although I was disappointed about seeing the Giants lose the first overall pick, those picks aren’t a guaranteed win! This win showed us that there is something to build on.
Hey Carl and Bob thanks and Happy New Year and let’s have a great season next year
Carl Banks, paid employee of the team, never has anything negative to say about the team. They have 105 losses in the last 10 years and Carl thinks the fans are impatient. sorry Carl, your takes are weak say something already
have a happy new year, bob & carl nxt year should be a good one go giants
All the giants fans that are cheering this win are basically saying they'd like the clown show to continue 😂
It’s only been 12 years, why not keep it going for another decade.
Hats off to both of you guys some giants fans don't understand and will never understand. Thanks for always keeping it real
I can appreciate the effort AND still be upset at the same time. I don’t expect any professional players to lay down
I wish we could find a happy medium between being screamed at by the dolts that actually expect the team to intentionally lose, and being lectured by the former players and commentators telling us they’re playing for their livelihood. Most of us understand how beneficial the number 1 pick would be, either for a player or the leverage it provides to stockpile draft capital, while also understanding players do not intentionally lose games. It is fair for us to be upset and wonder where the f**k this performance has been all year!
This one million percent
u do now how shit Schoen is in the draft right?
Thank you guys for your always refreshing perspective on the Giants. No BS... simple facts. No team plays for the first overall draft pick. It's a consolation prize, not an award to be proud of.
It's for the biggest loser that I don't prefer to be. I'd really like to see them put it to the Eagles and prevent 26 from breaking the record, especially if they decide to lay down. Go Giants!!!
NYGs don’t throw games, but the Eagles do as we all have witnessed. Especially when it hurts other teams futures, like in the draft. So what do you think they are gonna try next week to keep NY out of the top 5 draft picks.
They are abosoutly going to throw that game.
We should start our practice squad.
The Eagles have done it to Us Twice where is The Gamesmanship in that
I hate that they won - Draft picks are more important to me then winning when we are the worst team in the NFL they do this to US every tear they suck
Yep and now they have more cap issues (60M is nothing when you don’t have a starting QB!!) and a roster with more holes than Swiss cheese.
This is why we stink the majority of the fan base is actually stupid. Nothing good came from the Giants winning that game.
Respectfully have to disagree with Carl and Bob when discussing Deonte Banks specifically the coaching side. I watch the Eagles a lot and by God do they have a knack for signing guys on the cheap and building them into pro bowl caliber guys. Zach Baum, Mechi Becton will be signing monster deals this offseason. That’s coaching. The Giants have far too many top picks that have fizzled out.
Amen, you’re exactly right. That young secondary is light years better than this team.
So why is it ok for the eagles not to put their best foot forward?
I think it’s funny that former players like Tiki and Carl keep saying they need more than just a #1 pick at QB, but now it’s “they won because of qb play” 😒. I love these guys, but come on. We NEED a franchise QB
Tell Washington it’s not about the Quarterback in an all out offensive league.
I understand the implications of not having the number one pick, but honestly, I don’t want to root for a group of guys that’s willing to go and lay down on Sunday for a hypothetical draft pick. If the Giants love someone in the draft that much, spend the capital and go up and get him. This is a super young team and also has several promising new giants. What kind of message does it send to them if you are going to ask them to take a dive after getting their heads kicked in all year? I’m proud of these guys for the first time all season.
Great job guys! You hit all the points on why you never tank in football. Anyone who thinks differently never played at any level, they are just keyboard warriors. The talk shows stir up a lot of this, just to cause controversy. I have never understood why fans fall for this nonsense; they are just parroting what they hear on the talk shows.
And this a problem with many people. They hear other people's opinion and jump on the bandwagon. They won't think for themselves.
@@conservativeguy9329 just because I happene to agree with them does not mean I don't think for myself. That is a very narrow minded and uninformed comment. Don't make comments about people you know absolutely nothing about.
@@josephcreaden6281 I apologize to you. I wasn't talking about your comment, what I was referring to was people tend to follow the what floods the websites with opinions then take them as there's without thinking for themselves. I played football in high school and have always been a competitor. So I do agree with your post.
@@conservativeguy9329 very sorry I took it the wrong way. My apologies.
Banks one of my all time favorite players. But the mindset of these 2 are why we’re going to be 4-13 again next year. Sunday was a massive failure.
Somebody here gets it! Don’t take their team paid talking points, look at the stats and records, that is the only measuring stick and it shows a decade of incompetence.
Wouldn’t want them to try to lose. It’s just our luck that they would win this game and next week but it is what it is.
Good now that we proved that they don’t throw games.
We can admit that this is a poorly coached TEAM!!!!
The players proved that they have talent!! That was never the issue, even in injury!!!
The HC isn’t good at his job. PERIOD
Like he said he needs historical QB play just to give his team a chance at winning….
Well, they should. Philly is probably going to throw the game against NY this week. They will claim they are resting their players, but it goes deeper than that alone. Lurie hates the Giants and they want to screw with NY's draft position.
That’s why the Eagles front office and coaching staff is light years better than the Giants. The results don’t lie, especially their GM, the best in the business.
This happens every year. Many of these players won't be back next year anyway. I'm glad they won, but they still have a shitty roster.
Voices of reason in a world of confusion and unthinking emotions. Thank you gentlemen.
These guys entire argument to the anti tanking crowd was 1 we haven't scouted the QB we don't even know if they are good. Followed by but didn't you see the joy the players had with the win. Like the fans care that the players are now 3-13 losers instead of 2-14 losers. Either way the team still sucks now the future is less certain.
Great positivity you have there. The sun also rises. Have you scouted the two primary qbs? You might look at the Bears and there sure thing franchise selection. It is not difficult to see there are many qbs who can perform at an elite level. And many will be selected after the first round. But hey, don't believe in history...
@@fuquaysteve271 yes I have looked into both QB sanders has good anticipation on his throws and can scramble some. He does hold onto the ball a little bit to long but he generally avoids the pressure unless there is a breakdown in the oline on both the left and right side. His throw motion also doesn't change much. Cam has a slightly more powerful arm but also tends to take more shots into coverage. But In my opinion his throw motion is quick and very pleasing to the eye. He could take a bit to many downfield shots at the next level but he gets the ball out quick. Idk if either will be franchise guys but both look pretty decent. I like cam a bit more on the field and shedur a bit more off it. anyway the fact I have at least looked into the QB and they have not tells me all i need to know.
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Joe Schoen has personally gone to Colorado and Miami games. So what was the GM doing, not scouting? He went there by accident on his way to get his nails done?
@@LarryJ602 correction both bob and banks said that they had not scouted either QB and was trying to claim fan's had not scouted games either.
Awesome, we dont tank. We also draft like shit, hire like shit, and have sucked for over 10 years. 2 Giants employees are not the voice of reason. Hearing Carl complain about QB play is priceless. For years we win meaningless games at the end of the year that cost us dearly.
'Draft and hire like shit', baloney...
@@jeffsmith2022 Our roster is 3-13!!!!! It's a direct result of bad drafting and player development. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Keep drinking the koolaide.
Tanking is not achieved by how hard players play, it is more achieved by who the team plays or doesn't play. Patriots will likely not play Maye in order to hold on to the 1st pick. Browns will not play Winston. Will the Eagles play Ian Book at QB?
People need to get over it. Guys are playing for their jobs. 👍🏾
We should be thanking players for still showing up Especially Burns. I don't ever remember growing up with hoping your team loses for draft picks but that was the 90s.
Burns?! 30M for not being in top 20 in sacks and absolutely horrendous against the run.
Haven't won in Philly since 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But but they don’t tank!
I know this comment section is going to explode. I'm gonna say again. I agree with everything you guys are saying. Idk who is lighting up you x timelines but I don't think any rational fan thinks the players or coaches would ever laugh down and intentionally lose a game. So in my head it was that I wanted them to play well and lose. It's a bargaining chip if nothing else. Obviously I'm proud of them for the way they played. I'm a born and raised Giants fan. I did want that pick though
Most Fans are just parroting what they read and hear from the "experts" and other "parrots" on social media. They're clueless about drafting and building a team as well as coach/GM selection. As Carl says they havent done their research and should. I'm thrilled that they won! Those Gmen smiling made me smile and cheer in my living room. Also happy dancing happened. Oh and go watch the 2 "elite" collegiate QB picks who played in bowl games this weekend. Neither one of them would be top picks in other prior drafts. Oh and Brock Purdy the last man picked, Mr. Irrelevant, won the Niners a Super Bowl. And while you're at it Goggle George Young and Bill Parcells and how Giants Fans wanted them cut loose. Once again Banks and Papa calling it straight and truthful on this this best show on NYG Football. Love you guys!
So let’s keep being bums then. And you’re a qb expert huh. U wouldn’t have looked twice at Purdy and he’s really a bum tbh. How many qb’s did they skip last year. We don’t listen to experts. We have eyes dummy. Every playoff team has a good qb. Where are we going without one in our division dummy. Draft a qb or be the bums we’ve been for 10 years plus
Hoping some of the Giants content creators listen to this show, because these kids are getting really annoying with their takes and crying like baby girls, ranting etc. Giants are going to keep fighting and thats it, either you keep rooting or jump ship..No matter how much you try to make sense of TANKING it won't happen and we need to stop living a fairytale. Get over it
nobody tell bob and banks that the pro scouts at pff the guy who was a scout for the eagles works with colin sometimes all said the giants should tank lol
I love the Production on the Field Sunday just came at the wrong Time!! Happy New Year's Eve Guys n Everyone!!
The Colts defense was so bad.
They were definitely going through motions before golf season starts. Anyone watching the game on tv saw the “effort” level.
I have been a loyal fan for 60 years I really hope that they do not choose a quarterback. I hope they can build their offensive line and build their defensive secondary and get another stoplight receiver. I hope you get a stop at quarterback, but I’m afraid if they keep the gentle manager and coach that they will be forced to draft a quarterback, which would be a huge mistake because with the office line at the Giants, he’s gonna get crushed
Now u got thorn in the side saquon joining them mocking us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LFG eagle mf'ers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Disclaimer: I'm a SEC fan. Last year, I posted that Jayden Daniels was the best coming out, and I was I'm crazy. This year, I posted that Jalen Milroe (AL) is the best QB and better than JD, and again, I'm told I'm crazy. JD had 2 1st Rd WRs, and Milroe's best WR is a 17-year-old player who skipped his senior year in HS. Then there are Beck (GA) and Dart (MS). The Giants should draft 2 QBs if possible.
I definitely don't want the Giants to draft Milroe. Not in the first round. I can't see myself being too excited if they draft him in a later round. I'm not as high on him as you are
Happy they Won. They work hard. Tough yr. Bit so what. Lay down for no one. Especially for people who sit on the couch and Gm....
Is this gonna get unpinned when we trade our 2026 first round pick for one of these QBs lol
My sentiments... exactly! ✌🏻
Please, they laid down on games they could've won. Spare me that nonsense, this team is confused. We had all year to win, especially the games mentioned in the video.
They laid down the last ten games.
If that's watch you believe, so be it. I don't give two shits. Nobody forces you to watch and nobody asked for your opinion.@@angelmorales974
I absolutely love you guys, you tell it like it is and that's what us fans need. God bless and happy new year to y'all and yours.
I don’t like tanking but I can accept it when it is better for the future of the franchise.
You don’t have to play your starters. This time of year when you need a QB and you hold the number one pick play developmental players.
I've been on other sites since saying I'm happy the Giants, who I've rooted for since '65, beat the Colts. Ninety per cent of the other commenters eviscerated my ass, saying I'm just an old chunka coal who doesn't understand how important the #1 draft pick is. Of course, I do know how that pick could help the team. But I also know that there are no sure things. What if I watch the giants, root for them to lose to get a higher pick, and the pick is a bust!? Then what do ya do!? And some said the same thing to me, Carl. That "it's fans like you that make the Giants stink!" Like I have anything to do with it! Yeah, John Mara checks in with me after every game to see how I feel. Yeah, I'm old, and It's been tough to see the Giants as bad as they've been for most of the past decade or so. But the day I sit down with my grandson to watch the Giants, and find myself rooting for them to lose, is the day I stop watching altogether.
I do understand your point and usually I would very much agree with you.I have never rooted for the giants to lose and have been a fan for thirty five years.. But in this one instance, where we have suffered so greatly and lost so much and no, it's not a guarantee, but the ability to use the number 1 pick and gain as much as we can out of it through trading down or getting what we need Was the move and we failed.
@@ericcampan8266it is not like rooting for the home team to lose is fun. But it offers more rebuilding flexibility you can trade back or have your pick of the QB or take best player on the board. Now they have to thread the needle if you trade up and the QB busts well then your double screwed. The win was good for daboll and sure old heads might have enjoyed not being losers for another week. But that is ego pride and short sidedness talking. None of which impresses me even if it is an OG fan who thinks having that mentality is good.
And how does this win for the Giants help you as a fan?
@@ronwan1408 appeases his sense of belonging and tribalism. He views rooting for a giants loss is an act of betrayal against the team and himself. It would make him less of a "fan" he is a person who values loyalty over calculative intellect. That's why he struggles to deal with the majority who don't feel that way. I see his point I just don't subscribe to it
@@JohnDoe-230 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽
Excellent team performance!! These players played with heart, toughness & they play to WIN 💯💙💙💙🏈🏈🏈. Thank you gentlemen!! Love this show!!! BLEAV IN GIANTS!!
Loved watching the game and the Giants win, and agree with Carl Banks
Players don’t throw games but coaches and front office does
I don’t want the team to tank but let’s not act like the practice squad call ups guys or guys with lesser money on their contracts show more effort and grit then the ones with more money
Nabers is setting a culture but just like a QB can’t fix multiple problems with this team it takes more than 1 player to set the culture and to maintain a culture the owner should get the right hires in the building
The only positive thing about the win these guys could find was "did you see how happy the players were" yeah we are 3-13 the smiles malik and Tracy had have really saved the season 😂 makes this losing season so much better. Who needs the number one pick when you have the JOY around a 2-12 team getting a win. What a joke yo guys.
31 other teams you can go watch. 2 other Ny teams....
@benjamincarrasco1834 the giants won the turd bowl 🥣 the most empty anti climatic win in 100 years. But at least the player had joy at the win am i right?
even when the giants dont make the playoffs, i love when their spoilers!
I am happy that the Giants won, the players deserve it. Losing one game after another has a psychological effect which may carry over to the next season if they see that management is not committed to winning.
Well I actually posted this elsewhere but its worth a repeat. This game was absolutely about the question: what's more important team culture or quarterback need? Most people would say meet the quarterback need, so lose. That being said, we have a lot of young guys on this team and losing out would not help them build confidence/culture for 2025. There is some value attached to winning for this reason. Maybe we will still get a quarterback anyway with a trade up (it will cost) or one of these other clown teams winning the last game (and we lose). Considering all this, I could still also ask do you really consider Sanders or Ward to be can't miss selections? Ask the people who drafted Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Trey Lance and on and on. I guess I am not so sure.
winning meaningless games at the end of a season does not carry over into the next season. Remember Week 1 of 2023? A 40-0 loss against Dallas on primetime? Or how about Week 1 vs the Vikings this year, where they got blown out and only scored 6 points at home (I don't remember the exact score)? Even as far back as the last Coughlin years, they would always start slow, win some games in the 2nd half, miss the playoffs and do the same thing the next season. I don't want to hear Malik Nabers complaining about bad QB play in the next few seasons if we don't get anybody good. Especially if Ward or Sanders turn out to be good. I will have zero sympathy for him
@@davidriedy5977 No doubt, I see that what your saying has some validity. But having a ridiculous losing streak like they had with the best players largely being (rookies- Nabers, Tracy or near rookies- Nubin, etc.) can' t be good. That being said, I am with you 110% on Nabers. Do not want to hear him either. He has had plenty of looks and 7 drops, I believe. If they can get a quarterback worth a damn (in draft, free agency or trade) I certainly want one. But really they have so many other holes it really makes me wonder. Best.
I know it I don’t blame players coaches. I’m not,openly rooting for them to lose but as a season ticket holder,I am sick of these meaningless wins where I pay top,dollar, can’t get rid of tix & then the people who go for dirt cheap have a party at end of year to beating another bad team. I don’t expect to win a superbowl every yea but I want games to be competitive & some what meaningful in at least October. At this point I was hoping for 1st pick for the assest it provided being player or picks to build
Carl you made excellent points and really helped me understand why they didn’t tank!
I’m still angry and bitter about Schoen letting our best talent and leader leave. There’s one thing that will keep me routing for the Giants. Schoen acknowledging and owning his failures with Barkley or him being fired! Cause good leaders own theirs. I don’t want to hear smoke and deflection.
What’s your thoughts Carl about Schoen owning his bad decisions and what he’s learned from it?
We could have the first 30 picks, if you don’t know how to properly develop them then they mean absolutely nothing.
Bingo! That’s been this franchise since about 2010.
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Jones was the curse that killed this team for the last 4 years. Keeping him was the worst move in the last 60 years. I will never like Daniel Jones as a matter of fact I dislike him with malice
When the qb doesn't 'ponder' where to throw the ball he will invariably avoid sacks.
And players will never tank... that's the province of the GM/HC.
Duh.
Banks is young, needs a #1 vet to learn from. For the QB discussion, they don’t have to be generational, the Giants don’t have a QB next season. The reason most fans are upset is bc they could have had bargaining power at #1. 2 to 3 premier picks added to the war chest and you get pick of the top 2. That’s massive for your franchise. Again, it’s a different year bc it’s the QB. Keep it close but pull your better players late.
I agree with you Carl. But if they don't think that the QBs are generational they could get a haul of picks trading back. It's a huge bargaining chip even if you set the QB aside. But I agree with everything you're saying
No one is trading back in a below average draft year.
I don't want them to tank games, I just think it's better in the long term if they do.
The fans and players/coaches just don't agree. The fans are going to root for this team long after daboll and the players are gone. Maybe thats why they care more about future drafts than the coaches and players who will be gone soon and are not giants die hard supporters. most of these guys will play for another team if not all of them so yeah they could care less about the draft. But don't lecture the fans on ANYTHING When you lost 10 games in a row and they want to look for a bright future with the top pick. Your out of touch.
No you're out of touch. If you ever root for your team to lose games regardless of what team it is, THEN YOU'RE A FAN OF NOTHING!
@deangarn1488 okay let's play this logic out. What matters more the giants losing having a better asset to reset find a new head coach or trade down and get assets or take best player available ect. Or lose the first pick have a worse head coach and GM destination. So some of our players are 3-13 losers instead of 2-14 losers. So daboll who probably won't even be coaching the giants next year and is not a Giants fan gets to look a little better. the only people who wanted win are people who subscribe to tribal mentality you have to root for us even when we make a bigger mess guys.
The Giants will be lucky to get 45 pts next game if the Eagles keep their starter's in most of the game and who is playing QB for them.
Too Bad we all checked out at Halloween
Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold will both be available and either could be a great starter with the right coaches.
Screw the draft, we have the right coaches.
No way will Darnold be available and if he was it’ll be a huge contract which will hinder us in building depth to the roster. A big no for me, under different circumstances I’d take him but not now.
@@abefroman4715 Great point which leaves Wentz. Could you imagine the chip on his shoulder when we played the Eagles with him? And his contract would be much more reasonable.
Bahahaha Darnold isn’t leaving a winning team w talent to come back to the worst stadium in the NFL and Wentz is a nothing burger back up. My God this fan base…
Carl is My Guy. 100% Real....
Indianapolis didn’t have a lot to play for when he took the field a new San Diego already had one search for them to make the playoffs. It was really slim and none I heard call Bank Santa cold outside and play for will they did technically but like I said, it was slim, and then the San Diego one.
I'm a Drew Lock believer. 100%.The talent, brains & heart are there. Plus Hoopster skills. Caught some flack last few weeks, but I never wavered. Hence, not surprised at all with his performance.
even some heisman trophy winners were great in college but when they got to the NFL they were draft bust!
If i wanted to lose a game banks taylor and carson your on the bench today period thats how you fo it
BIG WOW . Once again POOR DECISIONS BAD OWNERSHIP that org just screwed themselves again for another 5 or 6 yrs
I stopped the tape at one minute because I wanted to put my thoughts in before you guys speak. I wouldn’t necessarily be trying to get a quarter quarter back this year for the Giants. It’s not a great draft class for quarterbacks. There’s only two in the first round, I don’t like either one of them. I don’t think either one of them gonna have a good career in the NFL, what I have to do with the Raditude I would get the best player on the board whatever position he’s up and take him I will even drop Tom I was out picked down with somebody and get a couple players if you can in the first round along with your head there pick may be another first and the second round her son called in on him and get players worry about quarterback next year can I always find a journeyman for the year i.e., Kurt Warner
40:54 oh wow no shit bob? They’re gonna try to win? Is the sky also blue?
Sorry Carl but because the Giants sucked this year a lot of us did watch the 2 QB this year and a lot of us do watch college football
Wish we could have that random kind of performance vs eagles or cowboys............. wistful dreaming
Why win now? Your season is over. You screwed the pooch by winning against the Colts.
Good, so next season, when the team is 2 or 3 wins late in the season they can be worried more about personal records again. F the future of the team. Let's just do the EXACT same thing again.
When you look at the Lions, Eagles, and other team that were this bad a few years ago, they have built teams that are Super Bowl ready in 3 years. The Giants? They not convince a competent candidate to come here a be the GM. So because the organization is dysfunctional due to Mara's nepotism, and no worthy candidates would want this job. If the rumors are true, Joe Schoen is safe and Daboll is getting sacked, the team is stuck in a loop of doing the same thing over again.
Hire an incompetent GM and coach, fire the coach because the GM can't build a team capable of winning. Hire a less qualified and more inexperienced coach because no one wants the job. Have a losing season, with a meaningless 4 or so wins.
Git rid of the coach and GM.
Hire an incompetent GM and coach, fire the coach because the GM can't build a team capable of winning. Hire a less qualified and more inexperienced coach because no one wants the job. Have a losing season, with a meaningless 4 or so wins.
Git rid of the coach and GM.
Y'all are literally pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining.
Any given Sunday.
Thank you, Bob and Carl, for your honest realistic analysis of the Giants. I want the Giants to win every game. Drew Lock may be the Giants' bridge quarterback or the Giants' "franchise" quarterback. In my opinion, the most important positions on a football team are the offensive and defensive lines. Daniel Jones never had a strong offensive line; instead, he was battered, bruised, and crippled, which affected his play. As Carl asserted, Drew Lock was not sacked, and he had time to throw.
The most important player position is QB...
@@jeffsmith2022 I think Archie Manning and David Carr will disagree.
They don't win games either worst team in the nfl over the last decade them and the jets... How'd those wins carry over the last few years guess that check keeps clearing from Mara huh boys ? This franchise is a league wide joke now the proof is in the record which is abysmal.
The level of disgust I get from these videos now is insane! These two are straight up organizational mouthpieces and their pompous attitudes would make anyone vomit. This coming from a diehard and someone who wasn’t actively rooting for a tank either.
You bums are breaking down a game THAT DOESN’T MATTER. WE NEED A FRANCHISE QB. WE WONT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OUR OWN DIVISION WITHOUT ONE. STOP COMPARING THE GIANTS TO LAST YEAR GIANTS. U COMPARE YOURSELF TO YOUR DIVISION.
Rather than focus on the "quarterback," look at it as having the position. #1 overall is worth a whole lot more than #4 overall should a trade be viable.
No one is trading up in a weak as hell draft class. Stop this nonsense.
One flukey game and some think all is good and the previous 15 games did not happen 🙄 I hope Mara wasn't fooled by this one
They needed a Qb last year did they make a deal to get one , Not
Carl telling fans to have courage and tweet it at the players. Heck i want to plane over the stadium that says. NOW YOU TRY TO WIN?? So all the people can see it.
Ask the Bears where a top pick gets you... They have lost ten straight. Caleb Williams and Justin Fields are a combined 17 - 42 since 2021. RULE #1 Control the line of scrimmage on both sides.
Is it bad qb play or a bad damn organization. It’s one constant in your equation da bears dummy
The best analysis and commentary for the GMEN... great job explaining the QB draft situation. btw Carl Banks for GM!
Thank you!!! I don’t care where they end up drafting, a win is a win. I hope we beat the pigeons this weekend too!!!
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lol mentally deranged
Maybe lock is the guy. One thing I noticed , was that Lock threw the ball on time. His release was faster than Daniel jones. He hit guys in stride with anticipation.
Lock is not a franchise QB. He couldn't beat out Geno Smith or DJ. Let's get that straight..
Not hard to hit a WR at the line of scrimmage🤦♂️
Most of his downfield throws were bad…the Wr made great adjustments🤦♂️
This is what it looks like when you don’t get hit or sacked as a QB n the WRs break tackles
Happy New Year Carl and Bob! From the most disgruntled Giants Fan in the Fandom!!
Gotta be honest starting to dislike my Team a LOT! This is BS!!
Daboll is a very good coach and the Giants should try to return next year.
NFL teams do what the hell they're told do these days
You cannot lay down in a football game without getting badly hurt just the way it is
Only weasels like the Eagles throw games.
Even Kayvon Thib made a play..... 🤣
Another Schoen bust along with the majority of his draft picks.
Gentlemen, always great listening to you both, totally concur with your point on the thought of asking professional athletes to tank for a possibility. I was prepared for another loss, but was really proud of the team winning in almost every phase of the game. I put the run blocking down due to o line injuries, I also think the young nucleus isn’t too far from being competitive, need depth!
The Most Pathetic Team winning Meaningless Games for Nothing!!!💯..Dabol must be Fired asap!! Giants are Dumbest Team in the league. And shoutout to Drew Lock who Destroy Giants Future!
Colts could not tackle anyone come on
Very pleased that Giants won, especially with offense's performance. These are professional football players and should be hard-wired to win. Apologize to no one. Very proud of Big Blue 👍
OMG Carl! You want folks to have facts and information before they make a decision? Not here - this is the intergoogles!?~!
He works for the Giants, what facts are we getting outside of the organizations?
Cleaning up the fundamental mistakes is huge. How many good plays were called back for meaningless mistakes. Getting the defensive off the field on 3rd down is another huge issue. I'm more worried about that than the draft. Top 5 would be good though lol
The thing that ticks me off is the fans who continue to complain once they win yes I’ll admit I was one of the fans who would rather have them lose, but once they win, I accept it players don’t tank. They play hard for their jobs. Stop crying like a baby.