I really like their push towards also taking and holding legendary planets. It's a nice little extra thing for them to do and do well. Also their commander helping them defend their home system means it's going to be very tricky to stop them getting those points. I'm loving this new update for them. They may be the next faction I play now.
Their hero lets them pull a theoretical 9 point swing in 1 round. Take mecatol, pop imperial score 2 point objective, use hero score another 2 point objective + mecatol. End of round Score a two point objective and a secret. Realistically a 6 point swing is more likely, and without mecatol a 4 point mid round swing s possible. The ability to come from behind and score imperial when no one is looking strong.
This is what I was thinking, that does this mean that they can do a primary ability twice? And what if its already used? If it unexhausts the already used strategy card then it's HUGE. Winnu can really jump big whatever they do, twice. Double building, double warfare, double leadership etc...
The Winnu have one of the best mechs in terms of objective scoring. Having mechs that can place structures means they can score the new Public objectives T1 and 2 much easier. And makes the construction card redundant for them, so they're not forced to pick construction and can focus on better strategy cards which is huge.
Loving the Win-New! Dane & the design team did a phenomenal job addressing the known weaknesses with buffs that were both thematic and meaningful. The Omega PN is also a useful change. Thanks for doing these vids! Happy Holidays! 🎄
Yeah, I'm finding it really interesting going back to them all with the new stuff. I've filmed Embers of Muatt and Arborec so they'll be edited and up just after Christmas.
Love the changes, really upgrade Winnu while keeping the core theme of the race focussed on Mecatol Rex and other legendary systems. First rate changes on this race from my view.
Funny enough in my last game as TI4 (no expansion) I actually won with the Winnu. Granted I was playing with inexperienced players and even with my suggestions that they wouldn't attack me and take MR from me. I think they were too afraid to attack first and be open to attack from each other. Plus I snuck in a secret object for the win so they had less time then they thought.
@@RulebreakerBoardgames very true. At the time I wasnt as involved in the meta so I didnt realize that. They were one of my random race options so I went for it because "why not?"
Their best starting tech would be AIDA. Go for Tech SC and get Self Assembly, build a Carrier + 2 Mechs when Warfare is popped. Profit from their awesome mechs from the start, and enabling early War Sun plays.
There is some guy from Lithuania printing them on decent quality card on etsy.com that I used. Pretty sure if you ask someone in a decent print/photo store that they will do them for you, especially if you show them an actual card to compare.
Id actually suggest dark energy tap if 1. you think you can grab tech and get grav drive for a turn 2 mecatol and 2. There's a couple of empy systems with frontier tokens around you to get some early game advantages as the frontier deck is actually very good
My favorite faction I always win when I used to play these guys, because everyone knows they are weak, nobody attacks you, everyone sees you as a friend. Its very easy to sneak wins. Now Im not so sure, now they are scary if they get Rex,
I've played 3 games so far as Winnu since PoK. One of these was a win, a second another player simply had too many things go right for and won before the stage 2 objectives came out - i had the win on the second action of those stage 2's. These guys are a powerhouse now. Their agent lets you build a mec right off the bat. You are going to want to do this while following warfare so that you are putting a pds down on the planets you claim as you push towards mec. If you can find the resources to get a second mec, do that. Then research grav drive off of technology and you're solid to claim mec on your first action round 1 (Assuming you started with either anti mass or dark energy). The commander is going to stop the other big 'go for mec' factions like saar and sol down hard. Prior to PoK they wouldn't have thought twice about trying to bounce Winnu off of there, now they aren't likely to even bother. Only faction that's going to be a threat are the Muaat and their war suns. Then that hero! Most hero's give their factions a push towards winning, the Winnu's is literally an I win button. If you are on mec, do Imperial, get that extra point and score an objective. If you were at 8, you just won.
@@purebasketballproductions Most games when I play Winnu now I abandon trying to hold the air space over mec and just drop a few mec's and an infantry. Nobody even tries to take it.
Where did you get your cards made? Also, I also like the Commander ability but in a game with the Mahact, once they have a Winnu command token, that bonus would be nullified. Which is worth keeping in mind.
Yeah, it's the same for everyone's Commander. You just always need to watch the Mahact, every single time they're in the game. My cards were made by a seller on etsy.
Lithuanian seller on etsy. Great quality. www.etsy.com/ie/listing/809937338/twilight-imperium-twilight-codex I reckon any decent print/photo store would be able to do a nice set for you.
I disagree, I think it will depend on your slice. If you have a blue skip close by, I would say that Psycboarchaeology is a possibility, but a Blue would probably be preferable, either anti mass or dark energy tap. It lets you get grav drive round 1 guaranteed, and while they are strong at Mecatol, you are still wasting an ability of yours (bloodties) if you dont get to Mecatol before others.
@@RulebreakerBoardgames You don't need a carrier to explore empty systems. There's no need to land ground forces anywhere. You could just use your cruiser for that, or build a destroyer. So depending on what your game board looks like, it may make a lot of sense to grab those tokens. The wild card relic fragments are pretty useful.
Thanks guys. It's a lot of fun! I've been meaning to take a look through your channel, saving it for when I have a few solid spare hours as I know I'll get stuck in there watching :)
There is also an agenda which let's you put more than that down, but even if it passes - don't. You're just begging to be hit with the action card that wipes out all pds on one planet.
I really like their push towards also taking and holding legendary planets. It's a nice little extra thing for them to do and do well. Also their commander helping them defend their home system means it's going to be very tricky to stop them getting those points. I'm loving this new update for them. They may be the next faction I play now.
Yes, it really makes them less one-dimensional. Not hugely so, but enough to make their play style diversify a bit.
Don't forget to add these to the playlist you have! :D Me and my budds love your videos btw, keep em coming.
Yup, will be adding all the new videos to the playlist as we go.
Their hero lets them pull a theoretical 9 point swing in 1 round. Take mecatol, pop imperial score 2 point objective, use hero score another 2 point objective + mecatol. End of round Score a two point objective and a secret. Realistically a 6 point swing is more likely, and without mecatol a 4 point mid round swing s possible. The ability to come from behind and score imperial when no one is looking strong.
Whoa. I didn't consider that you could effectively use the Hero to do Imperial for a second time in one round. That is insanity.
This is what I was thinking, that does this mean that they can do a primary ability twice? And what if its already used? If it unexhausts the already used strategy card then it's HUGE. Winnu can really jump big whatever they do, twice. Double building, double warfare, double leadership etc...
The Winnu have one of the best mechs in terms of objective scoring. Having mechs that can place structures means they can score the new Public objectives T1 and 2 much easier. And makes the construction card redundant for them, so they're not forced to pick construction and can focus on better strategy cards which is huge.
Yes, this is true. I think they've taken a mighty big jump with PoK.
Thank you for saying this!
Loving the Win-New! Dane & the design team did a phenomenal job addressing the known weaknesses with buffs that were both thematic and meaningful. The Omega PN is also a useful change.
Thanks for doing these vids! Happy Holidays! 🎄
Have a great holiday season :)
Go to Mecatol and hang on! Thanks for doing these - really looking forward to analyzing all the other races from TI4.
Yeah, I'm finding it really interesting going back to them all with the new stuff. I've filmed Embers of Muatt and Arborec so they'll be edited and up just after Christmas.
Awesome, cant wait to get my hands on the expansion!
Love the changes, really upgrade Winnu while keeping the core theme of the race focussed on Mecatol Rex and other legendary systems. First rate changes on this race from my view.
Yeah they are definitely in the mix now.
Funny enough in my last game as TI4 (no expansion) I actually won with the Winnu. Granted I was playing with inexperienced players and even with my suggestions that they wouldn't attack me and take MR from me. I think they were too afraid to attack first and be open to attack from each other. Plus I snuck in a secret object for the win so they had less time then they thought.
It's not impossible, it's just like playing on Hard mode!
@@RulebreakerBoardgames very true. At the time I wasnt as involved in the meta so I didnt realize that. They were one of my random race options so I went for it because "why not?"
Love your videos! I do want to make a slight point: if you're wanting War Suns, definitely go for AI Development Algorithm rather than Plasma Scoring.
Their best starting tech would be AIDA. Go for Tech SC and get Self Assembly, build a Carrier + 2 Mechs when Warfare is popped. Profit from their awesome mechs from the start, and enabling early War Sun plays.
Yeah I think you might be right. That would be the aggressive option, but maybe that's how we should be viewing the Winnu now.
My suggestion is either anti-mass or dark energy tap. This lets you tech into grav drive during round 1 and claim mec as first action of round 2.
Where did you get the codex cards from? I'd really like to have a physical copy of them, but I don't think I could make a high quality version myself.
There is some guy from Lithuania printing them on decent quality card on etsy.com that I used. Pretty sure if you ask someone in a decent print/photo store that they will do them for you, especially if you show them an actual card to compare.
@@RulebreakerBoardgames Thanks, I'll check those options out.
Id actually suggest dark energy tap if 1. you think you can grab tech and get grav drive for a turn 2 mecatol and 2. There's a couple of empy systems with frontier tokens around you to get some early game advantages as the frontier deck is actually very good
It's tricky to get around early as Winnu though. I like Dark Energy Tap as one you research early, but maybe not as the one you take at the beginning.
So do Winnu War Suns "Insta Hit" on Mecatol Rex with the commander unlocked?
yes. Guaranteed hit.
My favorite faction
I always win when I used to play these guys, because everyone knows they are weak, nobody attacks you, everyone sees you as a friend. Its very easy to sneak wins.
Now Im not so sure, now they are scary if they get Rex,
Yeah they're not the chumps any longer.
I've played 3 games so far as Winnu since PoK. One of these was a win, a second another player simply had too many things go right for and won before the stage 2 objectives came out - i had the win on the second action of those stage 2's.
These guys are a powerhouse now. Their agent lets you build a mec right off the bat. You are going to want to do this while following warfare so that you are putting a pds down on the planets you claim as you push towards mec. If you can find the resources to get a second mec, do that. Then research grav drive off of technology and you're solid to claim mec on your first action round 1 (Assuming you started with either anti mass or dark energy).
The commander is going to stop the other big 'go for mec' factions like saar and sol down hard. Prior to PoK they wouldn't have thought twice about trying to bounce Winnu off of there, now they aren't likely to even bother. Only faction that's going to be a threat are the Muaat and their war suns.
Then that hero! Most hero's give their factions a push towards winning, the Winnu's is literally an I win button. If you are on mec, do Imperial, get that extra point and score an objective. If you were at 8, you just won.
Wow. After reading that I am wondering if they're gotten too large a boost in PoK? Excited to give them a try.
dont forget the yin"s atomic bomb flagship haha the ultimate counter to winnu buildup on Mecatol Rex.
@@purebasketballproductions Most games when I play Winnu now I abandon trying to hold the air space over mec and just drop a few mec's and an infantry. Nobody even tries to take it.
Where did you get your cards made?
Also, I also like the Commander ability but in a game with the Mahact, once they have a Winnu command token, that bonus would be nullified. Which is worth keeping in mind.
Yeah, it's the same for everyone's Commander. You just always need to watch the Mahact, every single time they're in the game. My cards were made by a seller on etsy.
Just played these guys in a 4 player game and won round 4. Our game was less than 4.5 hours.
I fear that they may have been overcompensated for in PoK.
That self made card looked good. Could you please explain how you did it?
Lithuanian seller on etsy. Great quality.
www.etsy.com/ie/listing/809937338/twilight-imperium-twilight-codex
I reckon any decent print/photo store would be able to do a nice set for you.
The real question is:
Sarween tools or dark energy tap?
I think Sarween. Only having one carrier at the start means you're probably going to explore planets, not empty systems.
I disagree, I think it will depend on your slice. If you have a blue skip close by, I would say that Psycboarchaeology is a possibility, but a Blue would probably be preferable, either anti mass or dark energy tap. It lets you get grav drive round 1 guaranteed, and while they are strong at Mecatol, you are still wasting an ability of yours (bloodties) if you dont get to Mecatol before others.
@@RulebreakerBoardgames You don't need a carrier to explore empty systems. There's no need to land ground forces anywhere. You could just use your cruiser for that, or build a destroyer. So depending on what your game board looks like, it may make a lot of sense to grab those tokens. The wild card relic fragments are pretty useful.
Merry Cristmas Rulebreaker
Merry Christmas, Paul!
Great Job with all of these prophecy of kings vids! Appreciate all the content you've been putting out!
Thanks guys. It's a lot of fun! I've been meaning to take a look through your channel, saving it for when I have a few solid spare hours as I know I'll get stuck in there watching :)
@@RulebreakerBoardgames Oh we've been binging yours for sure lol Maybe we could play on tabletop sometime!
Yeah, I would be up for that! Let me stop flipping the table accidentally and get the controls down better and I'd love to play :)
Finally buffed
Yep! Every other faction got a bump too though!
What? It is allowed to have more than one PDS on a Planet/in a System?
You can have up to 2 PDS on any one planet. A system with 2 planets could have up to 4 PDS!
Yes, you can have 2!
Nice, I love (upgraded) PDS!
There is also an agenda which let's you put more than that down, but even if it passes - don't. You're just begging to be hit with the action card that wipes out all pds on one planet.