This is the most I've ever seen of The Chosen. This scene is entirely contrived and effeminate, even down to the flowery set design. The dialogue has the overwrought emotive nature of a daytime TV soap opera. Unreal.
I grew up in a Dispensationlist church and I heard this theory off and on my whole life. Looking back, it was always slanted as Judas thought the Kingdom was coming now (an obvious knock at Amils or anyone not Dispensationalist) and didnt understand the Prophesies correctly (or how to rightly divide the Word of Truth). My problem even back then was Jesus, Himself, called Judas a devil well before He was betrayed.
Demons are much smarter than us and work in a very nuanced matter to pervert the scriptures meaning to confuse the listener/watcher. I picked this up the first season watching it and turned it off.
How does it violate it? 2nd Admendment gives people the freedom to talk and practice their faith as they wish or don’t wish before the government. As viewers of the Chosen, we have the freedom to disagree and stop watching.
The Jews of that time expected the messiah to be a great military leader. |When Judas says everyone, he is thinking about potential soldiers. When Jesus did not pursue a military path, Judas thought he was just another false prophet. There had been multiple "messiahs" before Jesus.
13:00 - saw it coming, but still so entirely cringe to hear. If God created Judas in such a way that he would betray Jesus no matter what, then Judas did nothing wrong. Fortunately, the divine determinism that Augustinianism rests upon is bunk, and obviously so from even a surface-level, honest reading of scripture, as well as from observations of life. Judas DID have a choice. He chose poorly. Jesus knew what he would choose, to the nth degree of probability. But that knowing does not invalidate Judas's real choice in the matter. It wasn't declared onto him, it wasn't baked into his character before he ever existed. If it was, he would bear no fault. It was a thing he did, willingly and freely.
I hope some attention will be given to the new video in which Sean McDowell hosts a colleague to try to read Julie Roys type stuff into the Bible. Worthy of rebuke.
I'm thinking the association of "Iscariot" with "Sicari" is unlikely. My understanding is there's only a single ancient manuscript that latinizes the term to make Judas a potential Zealot assassin. Iscariot is generally seen as the Greek form of the Hebrew, "of Kerioth," indicating Judas was from the Judean village south of Jerusalem of the same name. If my understanding is correct that Judas was the only non-Galilean disciple, then the geographical designation, Iscariot, adds another level of separation from the other disciples. Fun fact ... Kerioth was just a stone's throw from Giloh, the hometown of Ahitophel, the trusted advisor (and grandfather of Bathsheba), who betrayed David and joined Absalom's failed rebellion. Both Judas and Absalom, upon realizing their folly, hanged themselves. GOOGLE:["Palm Sunday, A.D. 30: Cue the donkey ... Action!"]
The dialog in this series is insufferably poor. I watched 1 episode in season one and that was it for me. Seeing these clips has confirmed I made the correct decision as to never watch another episode again. ANot wasting my time on this detritus.
The next time you read the Prodigal Son, take note of which son ends up in the house with the father. Is it the one that repents (no one was looking for him.) Is it the one that says these are the rules (law), and everyone, including the father, must follow them?
The fictionalization of real events is what bothers me. The Bible happened and Judas was a real person. That we can even talk about "characterization" and fictional stories like Star Wars in the context of actual history is a big problem with the Chosen.
The dialogue is pretty bad. It's making Judas too sympathetic. There's even limited extra-Biblical evidence in Papias that Judas doubted before the betrayal. It's in book 5 of against heresies by Irenaeus. FF Bruce quoted it in his book Jesus & Christian origins outside the NT.
Jenkins admitted in one of his earlier videos that 99% of the content they use is “creative license” and not actually biblical. Nice production, but rotten theology and visual idolatry. Just what our enemy ordered…Mark and avoid it.
I have to disagree with this whole video. 1. The fact that Judas was a zealot (in the religious sense) who wanted a military takeover of Jerusalem was common Jewish belief at the time, and still is. 2. That he was a business likely comes from him being keeper of the money. They didn't trust the tax collector Matthew I suppose, or maybe Matthew wanted nothing to do with it. 3. Judas was a believer who apostatized. Jesus says this very thing in his high priestly prayer: While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost *except the son of destruction*, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. - John 17:12 You cannot be lost if you've never been in the sheepfold. 4. That Jesus prayed for Judas, again: I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. - John 17:9
He was not truly regenerate. You cannot have and then lose the Holy Spirit. I know synergists hate this, but your salvation isn’t dependent on YOU. “And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.” John 6:39 Judas was a covenant member by his professed faith but his apostasy showed he did not take hold of the covenant promises by faith, and thus he was cut out.
@SerenityNow22 yes you can. and then **have fallen away**, it is impossible to **renew them again** to **repentance**, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. - Hebrews 6:6 Unless you believe someone can be repentant without being regenerate
Far prefer the wrong but at least more entertaining portrait of Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar the rock opera. If you insist on having bad theology, at least put some good music behind it. From Arius to Hillsong, bad theology works better with good music: Gen 4: 21
Dallas Jenkins has admitted 95% of this series is unbiblical. There is NOTHING biblical about this series. It portrays a DIFFERENT Jesus than the Bible, and as the Apostle Paul warned, if anyone come preaching another Jesus to you that is not what the Apostles do, let them be ACCCURSED.
The Chosen is not a theological movie with some entertainment in it. It is an entertaining movie with some theology in it. You are making the same argument as historians who view the bible as a set of history books with some theology. It is a set of theological books with some history.
There's nothing entertaining about this show. And it's not permissible for someone to take the liberty to turn the Biblical narrative into an "entertaining movie with some theology in it." Really need to up your respect for the Scriptures there, buddy.
@@JR-rs5qs I'm sorry you don't find it entertaining, but in matters of taste, there is no argument. Telling people what is not permissible is the attitude of the elder son. Where did he end up?
@freddavis976 the show, at a minimum, is utter cringe. And it's not permissible because God said it isn't. To have a mere man, a Catholic mystic, portray Christ on film is one of the worst ways one can break the 2nd Commandment. You enjoy a blasphemous show. That's sad.
As much as I detest the Chosen. I think this critique is weak. The Bible doesn’t tell us a whole lot about Judas other than the snippets we see in the Bible, no matter what the portray they will have to take artistic liberties when you do a long format series like this. Just because you would have preferred some other equally unbiblical portrayals I don’t think it’s fair to poo poo this portrayal on that ground. As for the Bad theology claim, while I would agree that the chosen has plenty of bad theology, this particular critique was just you upset because they don’t subscribe to your unbiblical paradigm of reformed theology. Plenty of people read John 6 and come to a different conclusion, no one can take them out of His hand does not mean that you cannot take yourself out of his hand, this interpretation would take the myriad of verses that speak to us about the danger of apostasy and essentially throw them all in the trash…I’m sorry I don’t do proof text theology. Also you know what you don’t see anywhere in the Bible- That Judas was determined before the foundation of the earth to betray Jesus- if you throw your unbiblical paradigm away, it’s perfectly possible to assume that Judas became the son of perdition at some point through his own actions inevitably crossing a point of no return (judicial hardening), what’s to say that Judas had not yet reached that point. The way you put it would make Judas a necessary being, one who’s very existence was essential and it could not be other, I don’t see that anywhere. We see God routinely adjust His plans to cope with human autonomy
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love HE PREDESTINED US for adoption to himself as thought through Jesus Christ, according the the purpose of HIS WILL, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved." EPH 1'3-6 "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to be children of God, who were born, not of blood, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, nor of the will of man, but of God" John 1;12-13 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." John 6-4 "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit" John 3;8 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion'. So then it depends NOT ON HUMAN WILL OR EXERTION, but on God, who has mercy." Rom 9;14-16 "You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault?' For who can resist His will? But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory" Rom 9;19-23
@Greshman076 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. - John 17:12 Jesus Himself says He lost Judas. Apostasy is real, my dude.
@@joncollins7129 "And this is the will of my Father who sent me, that I should lose nothing, of all all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." John 6;39 -Christ loses nothing. Judas was never His.
@@Greshman076 Jesus literally says he lost Judas. While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. - John 17:12
I have been marked “safe” from watching the Chosen
Good video, thank you. Used a clip of The Chosen from this video
Glad it helped
This is the most I've ever seen of The Chosen. This scene is entirely contrived and effeminate, even down to the flowery set design. The dialogue has the overwrought emotive nature of a daytime TV soap opera. Unreal.
I grew up in a Dispensationlist church and I heard this theory off and on my whole life. Looking back, it was always slanted as Judas thought the Kingdom was coming now (an obvious knock at Amils or anyone not Dispensationalist) and didnt understand the Prophesies correctly (or how to rightly divide the Word of Truth).
My problem even back then was Jesus, Himself, called Judas a devil well before He was betrayed.
Demons are much smarter than us and work in a very nuanced matter to pervert the scriptures meaning to confuse the listener/watcher. I picked this up the first season watching it and turned it off.
most Christians today are too naive and think if evil isn't conspicuous and obvious, its not evil
The only way this could have been more ridiculous would be to have Doug Wilson in the background, dressed as the Kool Aid man, and shouting ""Oh yeah"
Do Netflix Mary next.
Those are very nice picnic tables
Just like they had in ancient Jerusalem.
@@evangelicaldarkweb just out of camera view were the barbecue grills and "inclusive" playgrounds.
Hey Ray, do you believe projects like The Chosen constitute a 2nd commandment violation? Thanks!
How does it violate it? 2nd Admendment gives people the freedom to talk and practice their faith as they wish or don’t wish before the government. As viewers of the Chosen, we have the freedom to disagree and stop watching.
@JillCee Please reread: 2nd Commandment, not 2nd Amendment
@@JillCee Your freedom to talk and practice your faith is guaranteed by the First Amendment. The Second recognizes your right to keep and bear arms.
The Jews of that time expected the messiah to be a great military leader. |When Judas says everyone, he is thinking about potential soldiers. When Jesus did not pursue a military path, Judas thought he was just another false prophet. There had been multiple "messiahs" before Jesus.
read the end of john 6
“How The Chosen gets EVERYTHING wrong” 😑
13:00 - saw it coming, but still so entirely cringe to hear.
If God created Judas in such a way that he would betray Jesus no matter what, then Judas did nothing wrong.
Fortunately, the divine determinism that Augustinianism rests upon is bunk, and obviously so from even a surface-level, honest reading of scripture, as well as from observations of life.
Judas DID have a choice. He chose poorly.
Jesus knew what he would choose, to the nth degree of probability. But that knowing does not invalidate Judas's real choice in the matter. It wasn't declared onto him, it wasn't baked into his character before he ever existed. If it was, he would bear no fault.
It was a thing he did, willingly and freely.
Wrong. God's determination of events is extremely spelled out in Scripture.
@@evangelicaldarkweb If you read it through the lens Augustinian presuppositions, sure. But that's make it so.
@@michaelkingswoodand you read with pelagian presuppositions...
"observation of life"
you're so wrong it's not even funny
real life quite clearly proves determinism, Scripture even more so
I hope some attention will be given to the new video in which Sean McDowell hosts a colleague to try to read Julie Roys type stuff into the Bible. Worthy of rebuke.
I'm thinking the association of "Iscariot" with "Sicari" is unlikely. My understanding is there's only a single ancient manuscript that latinizes the term to make Judas a potential Zealot assassin. Iscariot is generally seen as the Greek form of the Hebrew, "of Kerioth," indicating Judas was from the Judean village south of Jerusalem of the same name. If my understanding is correct that Judas was the only non-Galilean disciple, then the geographical designation, Iscariot, adds another level of separation from the other disciples.
Fun fact ... Kerioth was just a stone's throw from Giloh, the hometown of Ahitophel, the trusted advisor (and grandfather of Bathsheba), who betrayed David and joined Absalom's failed rebellion. Both Judas and Absalom, upon realizing their folly, hanged themselves.
GOOGLE:["Palm Sunday, A.D. 30: Cue the donkey ... Action!"]
God is an excellent writer. If that's true, then epic.
If you can find Steve Lawson let him know that Jesus does not lose his sheep.
How are ya winnin', son?
6:24 What's with the Greco-Roman idol in the background? Idols brought into Jerusalem by the Romans sparked riots that were met with crucixions.
The dialog in this series is insufferably poor. I watched 1 episode in season one and that was it for me. Seeing these clips has confirmed I made the correct decision as to never watch another episode again. ANot wasting my time on this detritus.
What does the Chosen NOT get wrong?
Algo juiced
The next time you read the Prodigal Son, take note of which son ends up in the house with the father. Is it the one that repents (no one was looking for him.) Is it the one that says these are the rules (law), and everyone, including the father, must follow them?
Its both of them.
The fictionalization of real events is what bothers me. The Bible happened and Judas was a real person. That we can even talk about "characterization" and fictional stories like Star Wars in the context of actual history is a big problem with the Chosen.
The dialogue is pretty bad. It's making Judas too sympathetic. There's even limited extra-Biblical evidence in Papias that Judas doubted before the betrayal. It's in book 5 of against heresies by Irenaeus. FF Bruce quoted it in his book Jesus & Christian origins outside the NT.
Jenkins admitted in one of his earlier videos that 99% of the content they use is “creative license” and not actually biblical. Nice production, but rotten theology and visual idolatry. Just what our enemy ordered…Mark and avoid it.
I have to disagree with this whole video.
1. The fact that Judas was a zealot (in the religious sense) who wanted a military takeover of Jerusalem was common Jewish belief at the time, and still is.
2. That he was a business likely comes from him being keeper of the money. They didn't trust the tax collector Matthew I suppose, or maybe Matthew wanted nothing to do with it.
3. Judas was a believer who apostatized. Jesus says this very thing in his high priestly prayer:
While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost *except the son of destruction*, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
- John 17:12
You cannot be lost if you've never been in the sheepfold.
4. That Jesus prayed for Judas, again:
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
- John 17:9
He was not truly regenerate. You cannot have and then lose the Holy Spirit. I know synergists hate this, but your salvation isn’t dependent on YOU.
“And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.” John 6:39
Judas was a covenant member by his professed faith but his apostasy showed he did not take hold of the covenant promises by faith, and thus he was cut out.
@SerenityNow22 yes you can.
and then **have fallen away**, it is impossible to **renew them again** to **repentance**, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
- Hebrews 6:6
Unless you believe someone can be repentant without being regenerate
Far prefer the wrong but at least more entertaining portrait of Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar the rock opera. If you insist on having bad theology, at least put some good music behind it. From Arius to Hillsong, bad theology works better with good music: Gen 4: 21
The ads inserted are horrid. Rapidly losing interest in TH-cam.
Dallas Jenkins has admitted 95% of this series is unbiblical. There is NOTHING biblical about this series. It portrays a DIFFERENT Jesus than the Bible, and as the Apostle Paul warned, if anyone come preaching another Jesus to you that is not what the Apostles do, let them be ACCCURSED.
This is such a cringe show, only from the scenes you showed here
This show is just like CCM...horrible.
The Chosen is not a theological movie with some entertainment in it. It is an entertaining movie with some theology in it. You are making the same argument as historians who view the bible as a set of history books with some theology. It is a set of theological books with some history.
There's nothing entertaining about this show. And it's not permissible for someone to take the liberty to turn the Biblical narrative into an "entertaining movie with some theology in it." Really need to up your respect for the Scriptures there, buddy.
@@JR-rs5qs I'm sorry you don't find it entertaining, but in matters of taste, there is no argument.
Telling people what is not permissible is the attitude of the elder son. Where did he end up?
@freddavis976 the show, at a minimum, is utter cringe. And it's not permissible because God said it isn't. To have a mere man, a Catholic mystic, portray Christ on film is one of the worst ways one can break the 2nd Commandment. You enjoy a blasphemous show. That's sad.
@@JR-rs5qs And it's not permissible because God said it isn't.
Citation please.
"Judas did not have belief in the Bible", dude, the Bible did not exist at that time.
*scriptures
As much as I detest the Chosen. I think this critique is weak. The Bible doesn’t tell us a whole lot about Judas other than the snippets we see in the Bible, no matter what the portray they will have to take artistic liberties when you do a long format series like this. Just because you would have preferred some other equally unbiblical portrayals I don’t think it’s fair to poo poo this portrayal on that ground.
As for the Bad theology claim, while I would agree that the chosen has plenty of bad theology, this particular critique was just you upset because they don’t subscribe to your unbiblical paradigm of reformed theology. Plenty of people read John 6 and come to a different conclusion, no one can take them out of His hand does not mean that you cannot take yourself out of his hand, this interpretation would take the myriad of verses that speak to us about the danger of apostasy and essentially throw them all in the trash…I’m sorry I don’t do proof text theology. Also you know what you don’t see anywhere in the Bible- That Judas was determined before the foundation of the earth to betray Jesus- if you throw your unbiblical paradigm away, it’s perfectly possible to assume that Judas became the son of perdition at some point through his own actions inevitably crossing a point of no return (judicial hardening), what’s to say that Judas had not yet reached that point. The way you put it would make Judas a necessary being, one who’s very existence was essential and it could not be other, I don’t see that anywhere. We see God routinely adjust His plans to cope with human autonomy
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love HE PREDESTINED US for adoption to himself as thought through Jesus Christ, according the the purpose of HIS WILL, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved." EPH 1'3-6
"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to be children of God, who were born, not of blood, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, nor of the will of man, but of God" John 1;12-13
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." John 6-4
"The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit" John 3;8
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion'. So then it depends NOT ON HUMAN WILL OR EXERTION, but on God, who has mercy." Rom 9;14-16
"You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault?' For who can resist His will? But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory" Rom 9;19-23
@Greshman076 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
- John 17:12
Jesus Himself says He lost Judas.
Apostasy is real, my dude.
@@joncollins7129 "And this is the will of my Father who sent me, that I should lose nothing, of all all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." John 6;39
-Christ loses nothing. Judas was never His.
@@Greshman076 Jesus literally says he lost Judas.
While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
- John 17:12
@@joncollins7129 Yes, Judas was lost. As he always was.