You did not mention military experience. The local FSDO gave me permission to test for the Airframe and Powerplant based solely on my military aircraft maintenance experience. I never attended a Part 147 school; I purchased study guides and after several weeks of self-study passed all the written exams. The FSDO provided me with a list of DMEs in my area, I sought one out and did the Oral and Practical. My specific job (Rating) in the Navy was Aviation Structural Mechanic (AMS); I spent time outside my Rating cross-training in Powerplants to gain that experience. Saved me a lot of $$$ in tuition and time. I retired from the Navy after 20 years with an A&P/IA and went right into corporate aviation maintaining KingAirs and 500 series Citations, retiring again after 22 years as a DoM.
I didn't mention military specifically, but yes, military experience counts for the practical experience route. I'll say that I know it is easier at certain FSDO's to get signed off depending upon what you did in the service. Our FSDO won't always sign someone off for the full rating if they never did any recip engines. However, other FSDO'S will so shop around
The Community College program near me costs roughly 3000 dollars over 4 semesters IF you don't qualify for reduced or zero tuition. It's M-F 3:30 to 9:30 with Saturdays for make-up time.
Bryce, in regard to your porch swing caveat, I just finished LSR-M and the way we were taught was that if you wanted to pursue A&P, then start an AMT log the moment we completed LSR-M. Once the equivalent of three years of work was logged, then contact the FSDO for sign off to start the process. Building one plane, you could certainly log the hours, but not necessary since an LSR-M can work for hire you can log those hours on any applicable work under the certificate. This is not a popular route as it's not structured nor speedy by any means.
This is true, I just mentioned it briefly as one of the guys at the airport. I frequent went this route after building an RV-6. I think it's worth it if you are already building an experimental but I wouldn't pursue an A&P this way. Not when a 147 school is only 12-19 months and is considerably cheaper
I am a thirty plus year professional auto mechanic and don't really want to spend a year and a half going to school again. This built an airplane route sounds perfect though. How do I find out more about this option?
Very good analysis. Yes airlines will be very short of pilots and maintenance staff for various reasons. This was true 13 years ago but is accelerating. Another route are the Canadian colleges. Tuition for Centennial College 2 year program is $45,000 as a foreigner. Canadian students $10,500. Marry a Canadian. Back in the early 1960's you only needed a commercial to fly for Air Canada. They trained you the rest of the way. I believe airlines will have to ramp up their own training programs. As an ex AME, Pilot and engineer I would go fly and maintain aircraft in Indonesia if I were young.
I appreciate the content. I just signed my application forms to start an Aviation Maintenance Technology program at Pittsburgh Institute of Aeronautics. Pretty excited, a little nervous about starting over at 38. But I’m over working in the oil and gas industry. I wish I learned a trade younger. Live and learn. Haha
Good luck to anyone who dream to be an A&P. Since 2023 the testing it is done by PSI a company base in California who write all the test and many question have nothing to do with our work as A&Ps. Each test cost $150 and they make sure you fail in one test so they can make more money. When I was in school in Tennessee we were 500 students and all of us failed at least one test (general, airframe, power plan). Many students failed 2 and all 3 written tests. Less say if 500 students need to take one test twice them PSI make $80.000. Now you understand why writing the test in a way you can fail.
thing is they actually raised the test cost, it’s now $174 and a lot of my classmates also failed first try. i’m doing my first try monday and it’s safe to say i wouldn’t be surprised if i fail( hopefully not)
@@brycebuildsit Thank you sir,u mentioned boeing, how could someone get a training-job at the Boeing( facilities) without any certification in this feild? Or do they offered training programms.? Thank u,
Bryce thanks for advice I'm new to your channel Im starting a community college for airframe in August I would like to start preparing now would you please list the textbooks n any apps to be successful during the process
Not to my knowledge, allot of them will only offer it for a limited amount of time it seems. Your best bet I think would be to look up the company's you would like to work for and see if they offer one.
If you already have your P it could take as little as 1 semester through a 147 school. Because by having a P you also already have the general portion done. So you would just have to take airframe courses. It does depend on the 147 it could take up to 6 months if it not an accelerated program.
I graduated in the Philippines with a Bachelors Degree in Avionics Technology and now Im in the US, I want to work here in the US, will they credit my degree from the philippines?
Hi Bryce great video. I just passed my airframe writtens and generals looking to study my oral and practicals and get ready for powerplant. Is there a way how to book for the dme testing?
When you talked about the pay being less with the apprenticeship route is that just because it takes longer to get the certificate or is there an actual pay difference if you get it through a school vs apprenticeship?
Question, Im moving on to the last test oral and practical for Powerplant what exactly should I study with the new changes ? I feel jepessen question are not it anymore ? Thank you
I have lots of people in the discord.Tell me that if they study Jefferson.They did just fine, or if they studied ASA, they did just fine.The truth is, the questions are the same.They're just worded differently. It goes back to making sure you understand the material.
Hi Bryce, I'm a South African wanting to do my A&P license so I can serve in Aviation missions with Christian organizations. I have OTJ training for about 7 years. Do I really have to go to a prep training school before I take my orals and Practicals?
I've heard that doing maintenance / repairs on your own aircraft counts toward the "experience" needed to take the test(s), provided an A&P/IA will sign you off for testing. I've been performing most all of the maintenance / repairs on the aircraft I own/fly under the supervision of my IA for the better part of 15yrs. There is a 147 school less than 2 miles from where I live, but I have no desire to start a new career after retiring from the Power Sports Industry, but it would be nice to be able to sign off and get back in the air rather than waiting for log entries..... is there any truth to this?
You can count all that. The tuff thing is an airworthiness inspector has to sign off on your 8610-2. Unfortunately, it kinda depends on the airworthiness inspector you are talking to. There are some real by the book guys, and there are guys who are more fluid.
As long as you meet the requirements of 65 and go to a Part 147 school or have 30 months practical experience. You can test for your A&P. You just can't exercise the privileges of the A&P unless working on U.S. registered Aircraft outside the U.S. wich you would be doing.
I have ran into an issue with getting signed off for my Power Plant. I have met the concurrent 30 month requirement along with the hours needed to receive the PP sign off, but was told that since I have already started testing, my general written, I must now have to wait 18 months after my certification completion of my Airframe certification date to receive the sign off for my PP. Can anyone clarify this for me?
That is false. All the regulation says is that after 30 months you are eligible to receive both. Now a FSDO inspector is who signs that off and they can choose to deny the power plant. But the only time I've heard them do that is if someone has 0 experience in that 30 months for PowerPlant. I.e. all they did was heavy structures, or wheels and brakes
I am OTJ training and I find that much better. Part 147 is a rip off system. I guess it keeps teachers employed so praise God. . OTJ is a real world experience. But thank you Bryce I enjoy your content. You should write a practical book or do a video on complete practical for airframe, power plant. I watch a lots of people who pass their A&P but are terrible mechanics. I wouldn't take my wheelbarrow to them for repairs. God bless my brother and keep the faith. Jesus is Real.
I live in Dallas , do you know exactly where these apperentice programs airlines are doing could be found? I looked everywhere in the American Airlines and southwest website but nothing , thinking of going to TSTC in Waco.
To be honest, I'm not sure. The last time the American and Frontier came to talk to our students, they brought it up and told our students about it. I know other places like Boeing and ST Engineering also have un house apprenticeship programs. Where on the websites you find them I am not sure. Also in Dallas is Tarrent County Community College, their part 147 program is really nice and probably much closer to yoh
@@brycebuildsit they have a pretty long wait list in Tarrant County. I’ll be done in two years I’m just worried a major won’t hire me once I spent all this time and money getting my A&P.
i am starting my apprentiship that’s on the job training for 2 years before can take exams for liscense , any tips for getting textbooks or things to study to make sure i pass
Could you give me some insight and your thoughts since you’re already certified and as well as a teacher. Thoughts on NAA (National Aviation Academy) Tampa Bay, i’ve heard mixed thoughts about it. I just want a solidified understanding and answer of the school.
You did not mention military experience. The local FSDO gave me permission to test for the Airframe and Powerplant based solely on my military aircraft maintenance experience. I never attended a Part 147 school; I purchased study guides and after several weeks of self-study passed all the written exams. The FSDO provided me with a list of DMEs in my area, I sought one out and did the Oral and Practical. My specific job (Rating) in the Navy was Aviation Structural Mechanic (AMS); I spent time outside my Rating cross-training in Powerplants to gain that experience. Saved me a lot of $$$ in tuition and time. I retired from the Navy after 20 years with an A&P/IA and went right into corporate aviation maintaining KingAirs and 500 series Citations, retiring again after 22 years as a DoM.
I didn't mention military specifically, but yes, military experience counts for the practical experience route. I'll say that I know it is easier at certain FSDO's to get signed off depending upon what you did in the service. Our FSDO won't always sign someone off for the full rating if they never did any recip engines. However, other FSDO'S will so shop around
👍My school was 18 months, I took the afternoon schedule 4pm to 10:30pm right after work. Monday - Thursday and once a month Friday.
Did you complete ?
How did that work out ?
Where did you go?
The Community College program near me costs roughly 3000 dollars over 4 semesters IF you don't qualify for reduced or zero tuition. It's M-F 3:30 to 9:30 with Saturdays for make-up time.
Kentucky residents AMTs it's a free ride. It's covered under our Work Ready Scholarship program.
My 147 school is 22 months, but I’m lucky enough to go 7-1 and be able to have a job that doesn’t run overnight
Somerset Community College Here! Next Fall semester I graduate. Taking my General and Airframe ratings now.
I attended a technical school in GA and it took me 2 years going full time.
Hey it’s ATL Tech ? Thanks
Where? I live in Athens and I’m about to go
Bryce, in regard to your porch swing caveat, I just finished LSR-M and the way we were taught was that if you wanted to pursue A&P, then start an AMT log the moment we completed LSR-M. Once the equivalent of three years of work was logged, then contact the FSDO for sign off to start the process. Building one plane, you could certainly log the hours, but not necessary since an LSR-M can work for hire you can log those hours on any applicable work under the certificate. This is not a popular route as it's not structured nor speedy by any means.
This is true, I just mentioned it briefly as one of the guys at the airport. I frequent went this route after building an RV-6. I think it's worth it if you are already building an experimental but I wouldn't pursue an A&P this way. Not when a 147 school is only 12-19 months and is considerably cheaper
I am a thirty plus year professional auto mechanic and don't really want to spend a year and a half going to school again. This built an airplane route sounds perfect though. How do I find out more about this option?
Very good analysis. Yes airlines will be very short of pilots and maintenance staff for various reasons. This was true 13 years ago but is accelerating. Another route are the Canadian colleges. Tuition for Centennial College 2 year program is $45,000 as a foreigner. Canadian students $10,500. Marry a Canadian. Back in the early 1960's you only needed a commercial to fly for Air Canada. They trained you the rest of the way. I believe airlines will have to ramp up their own training programs. As an ex AME, Pilot and engineer I would go fly and maintain aircraft in Indonesia if I were young.
I appreciate the content. I just signed my application forms to start an Aviation Maintenance Technology program at Pittsburgh Institute of Aeronautics. Pretty excited, a little nervous about starting over at 38. But I’m over working in the oil and gas industry. I wish I learned a trade younger. Live and learn. Haha
It's never too late, one of the best aircraft mechanics I know didn't start until 36
Good shit bro you got this man
Thank you for sharing your experience and excellent trainings Mr Lynch.
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Good luck to anyone who dream to be an A&P. Since 2023 the testing it is done by PSI a company base in California who write all the test and many question have nothing to do with our work as A&Ps. Each test cost $150 and they make sure you fail in one test so they can make more money. When I was in school in Tennessee we were 500 students and all of us failed at least one test (general, airframe, power plan). Many students failed 2 and all 3 written tests. Less say if 500 students need to take one test twice them PSI make $80.000.
Now you understand why writing the test in a way you can fail.
thing is they actually raised the test cost, it’s now $174 and a lot of my classmates also failed first try. i’m doing my first try monday and it’s safe to say i wouldn’t be surprised if i fail( hopefully not)
Excellent channel
You're to kind
Thank you for the information, I'm planning to start school after my last bridge project that I'm working on this summer. I want to start a new life!
attending a community college here in Northern Cal
At SCC?
Can you get a DME in on a video talking about the updated O&P tests?
I can try the closest one to me is a good dude but he is usually very busy as he is also a helicopter mechanic during the week.
@@brycebuildsit Thank you sir,u mentioned boeing, how could someone get a training-job at the Boeing( facilities) without any certification in this feild?
Or do they offered training programms.?
Thank u,
Bryce thanks for advice I'm new to your channel Im starting a community college for airframe in August I would like to start preparing now would you please list the textbooks n any apps to be successful during the process
Am also new to this and thinking of signing up with community school , he did a video and talked about the books and apps . All the best
I dod do a video on it but some schools may elect to use different textbooks. But I made a video on the books you will need and what to study
Is there a specific way to see which companies are hiring apprentices.
Not to my knowledge, allot of them will only offer it for a limited amount of time it seems. Your best bet I think would be to look up the company's you would like to work for and see if they offer one.
How much time would it take to get the A course if I get the P with the Mexican License on a Engine Focused MRO experience?
If you already have your P it could take as little as 1 semester through a 147 school. Because by having a P you also already have the general portion done. So you would just have to take airframe courses. It does depend on the 147 it could take up to 6 months if it not an accelerated program.
@@brycebuildsit Thank you so much!
I graduated in the Philippines with a Bachelors Degree in Avionics Technology and now Im in the US, I want to work here in the US, will they credit my degree from the philippines?
I dont believe they will.
Hi Bryce great video. I just passed my airframe writtens and generals looking to study my oral and practicals and get ready for powerplant. Is there a way how to book for the dme testing?
ASA, Jepison, and Dauntless all publish an Oral And Practical Study Guide
When you talked about the pay being less with the apprenticeship route is that just because it takes longer to get the certificate or is there an actual pay difference if you get it through a school vs apprenticeship?
It's just because you don't have the A&P. Once you get the A&P, they give you a raise to the normal rate
Question, Im moving on to the last test oral and practical for Powerplant what exactly should I study with the new changes ? I feel jepessen question are not it anymore ?
Thank you
I have lots of people in the discord.Tell me that if they study Jefferson.They did just fine, or if they studied ASA, they did just fine.The truth is, the questions are the same.They're just worded differently. It goes back to making sure you understand the material.
Hi Bryce, I'm a South African wanting to do my A&P license so I can serve in Aviation missions with Christian organizations. I have OTJ training for about 7 years.
Do I really have to go to a prep training school before I take my orals and Practicals?
You don't have to, no, you can self-study for the test and just take it. I only mentioned prep courses because many people like to take that rput
Thank you brother🙏🙏
hı, do you have any information about convert from EASA or ICAO maintenance license to FAA?
There is no way to convert to an A&P to my knowledge.
I've heard that doing maintenance / repairs on your own aircraft counts toward the "experience" needed to take the test(s), provided an A&P/IA will sign you off for testing. I've been performing most all of the maintenance / repairs on the aircraft I own/fly under the supervision of my IA for the better part of 15yrs. There is a 147 school less than 2 miles from where I live, but I have no desire to start a new career after retiring from the Power Sports Industry, but it would be nice to be able to sign off and get back in the air rather than waiting for log entries..... is there any truth to this?
You can count all that. The tuff thing is an airworthiness inspector has to sign off on your 8610-2. Unfortunately, it kinda depends on the airworthiness inspector you are talking to. There are some real by the book guys, and there are guys who are more fluid.
Hello sir how can a Filipino aircraft mechanic working in Singapore engineering can get a job in the us and get an faa license
As long as you meet the requirements of 65 and go to a Part 147 school or have 30 months practical experience. You can test for your A&P. You just can't exercise the privileges of the A&P unless working on U.S. registered Aircraft outside the U.S. wich you would be doing.
going to MIAT
Question: Is the abbreviation *_MIAT_* the _"Michigan Institute of Aviation Technology"_ or something altogether different in it's meaning ? -Thanks
@@ArchimedesDaVinci yes that is correct, however it has been bought by UTI
@@kalebfox6930 Roger That & Thank you. Canton, Michigan or Houston, Texas campus location ? *_UTI_* , _"Urinary Tract Infection"_ or something else.....?
@@ArchimedesDaVinci Houston, and no lol Universal Technical Institute
I have ran into an issue with getting signed off for my Power Plant. I have met the concurrent 30 month requirement along with the hours needed to receive the PP sign off, but was told that since I have already started testing, my general written, I must now have to wait 18 months after my certification completion of my Airframe certification date to receive the sign off for my PP. Can anyone clarify this for me?
That is false. All the regulation says is that after 30 months you are eligible to receive both. Now a FSDO inspector is who signs that off and they can choose to deny the power plant. But the only time I've heard them do that is if someone has 0 experience in that 30 months for PowerPlant. I.e. all they did was heavy structures, or wheels and brakes
I am OTJ training and I find that much better. Part 147 is a rip off system. I guess it keeps teachers employed so praise God. . OTJ is a real world experience. But thank you Bryce I enjoy your content. You should write a practical book or do a video on complete practical for airframe, power plant. I watch a lots of people who pass their A&P but are terrible mechanics. I wouldn't take my wheelbarrow to them for repairs.
God bless my brother and keep the faith.
Jesus is Real.
I agree that there are a lot of rip-off 147 schools, I tell guys to try and find a community college program and save 30k on tuition.
I'm based in South Africa. Here we work with EASA, FAA and South African CAA type of license.
I live in Dallas , do you know exactly where these apperentice programs airlines are doing could be found? I looked everywhere in the American Airlines and southwest website but nothing , thinking of going to TSTC in Waco.
To be honest, I'm not sure. The last time the American and Frontier came to talk to our students, they brought it up and told our students about it. I know other places like Boeing and ST Engineering also have un house apprenticeship programs. Where on the websites you find them I am not sure. Also in Dallas is Tarrent County Community College, their part 147 program is really nice and probably much closer to yoh
@@brycebuildsit they have a pretty long wait list in Tarrant County. I’ll be done in two years I’m just worried a major won’t hire me once I spent all this time and money getting my A&P.
The job market will still be demanding based off the amount of people eligible to retire
i am starting my apprentiship that’s on the job training for 2 years before can take exams for liscense , any tips for getting textbooks or things to study to make sure i pass
ASA and Prepware. or jepsens general, airframe, and powerplant. 18 months of ojt is what it takes for your airframe.
You need 18 months per rating or 30 months combined experience for both Airframe & powerplant ratings
Could you give me some insight and your thoughts since you’re already certified and as well as a teacher. Thoughts on NAA (National Aviation Academy) Tampa Bay, i’ve heard mixed thoughts about it. I just want a solidified understanding and answer of the school.
Hello good evening is it possible to sign me for retest on my AMG
Yes, you can be signed off by anyone who holds the certificate you tested for. A coworker, fellow student or one of your instructors.
@@brycebuildsit pls I do i contact you please
@@brycebuildsit I sent a message to you on email sir
@@brycebuildsit good morning I sent u an email message