Don't use reference tracks like this
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Do you like using reference tracks? Let me know below!
I use reference tracks only for certain genres, to check, if I meet the loudness, or if my idea meets with that genre.
Id like to use the "Produce like a Pro" theme song as a reference track. Where can I get a copy of that ? great low end and drum sound.
Is it ok to use a frequency sweep track to tune your speakers/pa ?
I downloaded a sweep track that goes from 20hz to 20000 hz to give me an idea of what frequencies are taking off in foldback monitors and foh. Pros/Cons ?
I don't use reference tracks. I know a lot of people do. but I find it off putting as I am working on my own sound. but I get what you are saying thanks
I use them to broaden my perspectives on what " I " think a particular song "should" sound like.
Yep, chasing particular sounds is a problem because it means failing to make the recorded parts be the best version of themselves that they can be. The way I use reference tracks is to imagine a compilation album where my mix needs to sit comfortably alongside the references.
What a great knowledge you share! What a great person you are! You, in a way, are my reference track, Warren! A thousand thanks for that! Take care!
Wow! Thanks ever so much Ronan!!
Reference mixes in this way is very OP. My latest mix the artist was struggling with the guitar tone i was getting. Then they finally got around to sending reference tracks, next mix they were blown away.
Wonderfully put Warren 🙂
As always, good advice. I’m constantly forgetting the basics.
I've recorded quite a few songs in my home studio, and I've never used reference track before. This is good reminder to start using them. Thanks for reminding me!
ha ha ha , excellent teaching Warren . You got that right .
Completely agree ! 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks ever so much
@@Producelikeapro Thank you sir ! I'm learning a lot from the community 🔥
Would it be safe to say that finding a reference that is most like the song you are working on is quite important? For example, a great mix of a Billie Eilish song might be better for a home studio song but a great mix of a Katy Perry song might be a better reference for a song recorded in an expensive studio? Genre and style as well, correct? Like, if a song is a different style and genre and recorded on much different equipment in a much different room then it may not be a good reference to use for the song you're working on, right? Thanks for the knowledge as always Warren!
I use reference tracks just for checking how my favourite mixes sound in my less-than-perfect home room acoustics, it’s just so I can have an idea how my room reacts to certain eq levels 😊
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Thanks Audrey!!
warren, you are only speaking truth, neighbor.
Thanks ever so much
No reference. Because i am musician first and want to sound like I want it. I'm non-professional and can do that. But Pneuma by Tool sounds great to me and Sultans Of Swinng too (after so many years).
I ask for references from the bands I work with. I listen to them once and make notes. After that I don't listen to them. It prevents me from copying the track and making the band I'm working with sound like someone else.
No. . . Should i 😅
One thing I focus on with reference tracks is how well my mix fits in with them. That is, if those tracks were on someone's playlist and then my mix came on, would it be jarringly different, or would it fit in?
That's exactly how I see it too. Is the frequency balance similar? Is the dynamic range similar? Is the overall loudness similar? (although that last one is less important with streaming services)
Exactly the same with me. I always get a little nervous when the pro-recording track fades and mine begins. ;)
Love these short clips Warren. Great stuff and to the point.
Recreate the feeling, not the track Thank you for that advice because I started down your failed route too!! Trying to "copy" it Thank you again!
Thanks ever so much!!
Great learning golden nuggets as always - thanks man.
Thanks ever so much
Reference tracks are also a reminder as to how they got a particular sound to work in the mix. Like it might be that you sacrifice a bit of vocal clarity for a massive guitar sound etc.
I love shorts you do
Thanks ever so much!
Thanx Warren! So, when we say
" reference" track, from what platform is this useful. Spotify, youtube will do? probably not the best, but better a CD track maybe?
Always thought it would be interesting to compare a pure analog mix from say the 70s with the first release in digital, maybe like the 80s, then with various remixes/reissues/remaster from the 90s and on even up to today. I think some of them are just remasters of the original analog 2-track master and some are actually redone from the original multi-track source. Likewise for something done digitally in the late 70s/80s or 90s being a remaster of the original digital 2-track or a remaster of the original digital multi-track. Whew, okay apologies for too many words on a YT response....😎
so when you start learning guitar piano actually every other instrument you copy the exact song its not until years later that you can make your own music so what your saying it bullshit
Many good comments here. To me, it's about "the sonic company you'd like to keep". Kind of what Scott Miller said a couple days ago. In any case, the sound/mix should serve the song, not some corporate program director's idea of what fits a format.
Excellent, measured advice, as always, Warren. Thank you.
Thanks ever so much
I find reference tracks more useful as a way of comparing how the master will sound, more than the mix. Not so useful for comparing individual instruments as much as the overall vibe of the final tone and feel of the whole thing.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!!
Great recommendation. Reproducing the exact recording sound is almost impossible but capturing the balance between the instruments and the levels and role of each instrument will eventually help to train your ear to build better mixes.
Great tip thanks 🙏
Thanks ever so much
I always use reference tracks. It's the best way to find out where you are in your mix, however, I never try to copy exactly how the track sounds because I want to have my own sound. My goal is always trying to achieve the overall sound characteristics such as stereo field width, depth, low end, high end, voice placement, clarity and punch.
I’m loving these shorts. Bravo.
inspiration > replication
Great wisdom
That's my "problem" - the more music I listen to, the harder it becomes to come up with something original.
I would say do not worry too much about coming up with something original... Originality comes naturally. Just make sure you're coming up with something you love. You are an unique person with your own combination of tastes, experiences and references - when you come up with something you truly love and that you're truly happy with, you will see that it will be quite original :)
unless you wanna produce ONE type of music and specifically in the sound of ONE band of THAT genre, like, as your permanent career path, yes, trying to get 99 % imitation of a sound / a track is maybe great once in a while to test your abilities in the craft for yourself....but indeed, you wont develop and grow as an artist if you stay stuck to one rigid way of doing things.