I've had a few Girsan pistols and found them to be good guns for the money. I'd be interested in how this compares to the Springfield to see which is the best budget 2011.
A 9mm polymer framed Turkish 2011 wannabe...meh is an understatment. However...I highly recommend the RealAvid multitool for everyone's workbench and range bag😁 There's always just at least one little tool you don't want to look for in the middle of a project and that multitool is a real timesaver for that one quick application.
Mine still has a 10 pound trigger pull after 500 dry fires and 150 rounds shot through it. Shoots ok but trigger is terrible and the Prodigy mags do not work well with mine it will go to slide lock with the last round still in the mag every time.
Wilson parts and a little fitting by a good gunsmith can do wonders for a trigger! And it doesn't cost much. If you want to save more they make the drop in sear and hammer. You will need to polish the trigger bow.
@kevinallies1014 I didn't realize the frame was polymer. My Girsan HP clone is steel. I also have a Sarsilmaz SAR K2 45. IMHO it's an improved version of the CZ97. Unlike the 97 it has a light rail and a better trigger. It also uses Mecgar 13 round magazines instead of 10 round CZs. Just saw that someone is making rails you can screw on to CZ97. Similar to the rails the Marines put onto their MARSOC 1911s Cheers I'm a big fan of the CZ75 pistols; I have a CZ75 Compact, a CZ85 ( the tactical version of the CZ75) and the New CZ Shadow 2 Compact with an aluminum frame IMHO The CZ75 is an improved version of the Hi-Power
Another outstanding video. We find your videos educational as well as entertaining. We thank you again...... We're sort of interested in this pistol 🤔. Since it's not German nor European manufactured who knows. My husband and I are collectors of German and other European firearms..... We like the engineering and craftsmanship...... God bless 🙏
Just picked one up on GunBroker for just over $900. Already have 3 other hi cap guns. It's another range play for me. Definitely going to upgrade the optic
Thanks for the review. You did a great job showing all of the important aspects of that gun. That being said, and as a poor person this gun should appeal to, it is evident to me why the quality 2011’s cost so much. By the time you get this gun to a standard one would expect from this type of gun, you might as well have bought the Staccato. I know you will show us the range performance, and it will probably do ok, I just see this being a huge headache and disappointment. If the cost cutting results in a clearly inferior product, then it is not really saving you anything, and it just robs more of your time and enjoyment. I have been down this road before, so I will pass on this one.
@@JD-tn5lz bought one of their Hi Powers. With some replacement parts by Cylinder and Slide it has a great trigger pull. Better than original Browning. Cylinder and Slide think wel enough of these that they will do their works package on them. That's a pretty high compliment!
@@GBGuns Man.. A company of their size should be jumping at the bits to send you a gun to review... If you have a quality firearm this is the type of review you want on the internet. Thorough and professional.
Thank you. I've found that when companies don't want to work with me it's either because they don't respect the channel and audience or they have something to hide. Believe it or not there are a few companies out there who have asked specifically NOT to be on the channel. In my own off-camera testing I learned why. Rather than burn those companies I try to give them a chance to fix things, that way everyone gains: better products, happier customers. I'm not implying this applies to LFA, they've simply ignored my attempts to contact them.
Maybe the backlog of preorders to fill starting from June has something to do with it? Thank you for the work that you put into your table top and shooting reviews.@@GBGuns
Bought one and I'm not a fan, horrendous trigger, lots of feeding and ejection issues. Replaced the fardot with a Holosun K series one. It'll be a fun project once I get a bunch of ammo thru it. Not sure how much I like the shortness of the barrel bushing. But hey, I've owned worse guns.
@@GBGuns do the 10mm Girsan 2311's have a front bushing for disassembly, or is he recoil spring captured in the slide, like RIA 2011's? I own an RIA 2011 10mm, and it's a PIA to disassemble.
Also that manual safety has to go. Carry hammer back no dafety because what if you forget to thumb the safety off. Only your finger can make the gun go off 😂
@Cysticspyke I was being flippant about the dumb stuff glock fan boys say. I am well verse in 1911s, not as much as 2011s but I grew up shooting a browning hi power, which is really the first 2011.
@@GBGuns 1. A sizeable percentage of the Turkish guns I've handled were junk. 2. I don't support Islamic fundamentalist dictatorships. 3. There is always a better alternative that was made in the USA.
I totally agree with not buying from state-run companies of countries you don't agree with, that's why I stick to the private companies as best I can; to support the citizens stuck living in those places. Which guns were junk?
@@GBGuns I looked at the Tristar Cobra III Walnut last year and it had a bad catch in the middle of the stroke, the finish looked like it had been applied with a roller, fit and finish were substandard, and it felt generally cheap. A friend bought a Girsan 1911 several months ago and it failed every 2nd or 3rd shot when we took it to the range. The Stoeger semi-auto I looked at was so rickety and rattley I wouldn't dare try to shoot it. The Canik seems decent, but I have never seen one that wasn't a 9mm, and I don't use 9mm.
Wow I really don't like that they don't run plus p a 9mm should be able to run anything from Hardcast Buffalo bore to liberty 50 grain plus p or plus plus p .I'm not a big fan of 2011 anyways seems like a little backwards in the evolution of handguns .
Why would you want or need +p from a 4.25" barrel? The point of +p is to ensure the projectile reaches a decent speed so it can perform as intended. For example in 9mm any barrel shorter than 4" is too short for many rounds to get adequate speed (SAMMI spec for 9mm is a 4" barrel and so that's what most ammunition is manufactured for).
@@charles17508 Generally for 9mm, yes. I wrote this explanation about +p ammo a while back becuase there are a lot of misconceptions out there: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/p-ammo-what-is-it-good-for Another one you may be interested in is seeing what different barrel lengths do to ammo because it's both possible for a defensive round to go too slow to work and too fast to work as intended: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/defensive-pistol-barrel-length-ammo-selection
Full Review, Specs, and Pricing: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/eaa-girsan-witness-2311
I've had a few Girsan pistols and found them to be good guns for the money. I'd be interested in how this compares to the Springfield to see which is the best budget 2011.
Man I think that's a good looking pistol! Thank you very much for the review 🙂
Girsan makes great products.
My Regard MC is a craftsman handgun. You can tell it's made with care
I wouldn't touch a Turk product with yer ma's 10' pole
My Tanfoglio (from Italian Firearms Group) I bought new from Bi-Mart in Lincoln City didn't come with any lock.
Thanks for the video.
Looks good
Nice to see a company making a more affordable version of this platform, hope it does well on the range.
Can't wait to hear Teya's impression on this 😁🙏
Excellent article. Thanks. 👍🙏😎
A 9mm polymer framed Turkish 2011 wannabe...meh is an understatment.
However...I highly recommend the RealAvid multitool for everyone's workbench and range bag😁
There's always just at least one little tool you don't want to look for in the middle of a project and that multitool is a real timesaver for that one quick application.
Mine still has a 10 pound trigger pull after 500 dry fires and 150 rounds shot through it. Shoots ok but trigger is terrible and the Prodigy mags do not work well with mine it will go to slide lock with the last round still in the mag every time.
Wilson parts and a little fitting by a good gunsmith can do wonders for a trigger! And it doesn't cost much. If you want to save more they make the drop in sear and hammer.
You will need to polish the trigger bow.
@kevinallies1014
I didn't realize the frame was polymer.
My Girsan HP clone is steel.
I also have a Sarsilmaz SAR K2 45.
IMHO it's an improved version of the CZ97. Unlike the 97 it has a light rail and a better trigger. It also uses Mecgar 13 round magazines instead of 10 round CZs.
Just saw that someone is making rails you can screw on to CZ97. Similar to the rails the Marines put onto their MARSOC 1911s
Cheers
I'm a big fan of the CZ75 pistols; I have a CZ75 Compact, a CZ85 ( the tactical version of the CZ75) and the New CZ Shadow 2 Compact with an aluminum frame
IMHO The CZ75 is an improved version of the Hi-Power
Another outstanding video. We find your videos educational as well as entertaining. We thank you again......
We're sort of interested in this pistol 🤔. Since it's not German nor European manufactured who knows.
My husband and I are collectors of German and other European firearms..... We like the engineering and craftsmanship......
God bless 🙏
I appreciate that you're open to learning about guns outside of your norm.
Just picked one up on GunBroker for just over $900. Already have 3 other hi cap guns. It's another range play for me. Definitely going to upgrade the optic
Aside from auto adjust, I've not encountered any issues with the included dot.
Looks like a sweet piece
Rubbish
Thanks for table top
Seems like the gun is a bit rough but under $1k... so?
And the range experience continues that trend. I draw what I think is a fair conclusion in the article.
Bet it's better than the Springfield. Thanks for the share!!
Keep dreaming little Stevie
@jacksoncornbreadmcbride6763 try not to be such lil batch yourself. Friend.
Wish this had a full length dust cover .but if this thing runs good I can live without.
Thanks for the review. You did a great job showing all of the important aspects of that gun. That being said, and as a poor person this gun should appeal to, it is evident to me why the quality 2011’s cost so much. By the time you get this gun to a standard one would expect from this type of gun, you might as well have bought the Staccato. I know you will show us the range performance, and it will probably do ok, I just see this being a huge headache and disappointment. If the cost cutting results in a clearly inferior product, then it is not really saving you anything, and it just robs more of your time and enjoyment. I have been down this road before, so I will pass on this one.
Double stack 1911,s are pointless when the country you are in has a 10 round magazine limit.
Aside from ergonomics and easier reloads, yes.
I have only limited experience with Girsan firearms, and have found them to be okay. Only okay. Save up for something better, it won't take much.
EXACTLY. Save up and buy something you can be proud of.
Not a "look at this Yugo dressed up like a Kia😂"
@@JD-tn5lz bought one of their Hi Powers. With some replacement parts by Cylinder and Slide it has a great trigger pull. Better than original Browning.
Cylinder and Slide think wel enough of these that they will do their works package on them.
That's a pretty high compliment!
I think the live free armory apollo 11 looks alittle better for the under 1k market.
It appears so, but they have yet to respond to our channel. Companies that don't want to be on this channel often have a reason.
@@GBGuns Man.. A company of their size should be jumping at the bits to send you a gun to review... If you have a quality firearm this is the type of review you want on the internet. Thorough and professional.
Thank you. I've found that when companies don't want to work with me it's either because they don't respect the channel and audience or they have something to hide. Believe it or not there are a few companies out there who have asked specifically NOT to be on the channel. In my own off-camera testing I learned why. Rather than burn those companies I try to give them a chance to fix things, that way everyone gains: better products, happier customers. I'm not implying this applies to LFA, they've simply ignored my attempts to contact them.
Maybe the backlog of preorders to fill starting from June has something to do with it? Thank you for the work that you put into your table top and shooting reviews.@@GBGuns
Not that this comment belongs in this wonderful gun review, but I wonder if Oracle Arms is going to come after EAA for using "2311"???
I don't think they can since this is the "Witness 2311"
Bought one and I'm not a fan, horrendous trigger, lots of feeding and ejection issues. Replaced the fardot with a Holosun K series one. It'll be a fun project once I get a bunch of ammo thru it. Not sure how much I like the shortness of the barrel bushing.
But hey, I've owned worse guns.
Have you had experience with the live free armory Apollo 11?
No, I've rescheduled out to LFA but they haven't responded.
Have you had experience with Apollo Creed?
@@jacksoncornbreadmcbride6763 one time at band camp
@@hopewilliams6705 why was Creed at your band camp? Sounds odd 🤔
I keep going back and forth between trying one of these and getting the RIA Tac ultra.anyone have any suggestions?
Does that come in 10mm
Do you know by chance if you can convert the Girsan 2311 to a bull barrel?
A gun smith might be able to
Please mention the caliber in your video title. 10mm 2011s often have a different design.
That's mentioned, along with all specs in the article this video is part of. This is not a stand-alone video.
@@GBGuns do the 10mm Girsan 2311's have a front bushing for disassembly, or is he recoil spring captured in the slide, like RIA 2011's? I own an RIA 2011 10mm, and it's a PIA to disassemble.
@@DDDYLN I don't know, I don't have a 10mm 2311
Thanks GB. Great job. Good info. God bless.
LETS GO BRANDON
This 2011 craze makes me laugh. They crapped all over the 1911s but give them a double stack with more rounds their all over it.
I think it's a different crowd, one that wasn't around for the 1911 Vs Glock era of internet debates.
Also that manual safety has to go. Carry hammer back no dafety because what if you forget to thumb the safety off. Only your finger can make the gun go off 😂
@@tray22tell me you've never shot a 1911/2011 without saying you've never shot a 1911/2011
@Cysticspyke I was being flippant about the dumb stuff glock fan boys say. I am well verse in 1911s, not as much as 2011s but I grew up shooting a browning hi power, which is really the first 2011.
@@tray22 fair play
rmsc footprint ?
I made myself a promise to never buy any firearm from Turkey, and it's working out quite nicely. Good video though.
Pretty easy to not buy something. Why not?
@@GBGuns 1. A sizeable percentage of the Turkish guns I've handled were junk. 2. I don't support Islamic fundamentalist dictatorships. 3. There is always a better alternative that was made in the USA.
I totally agree with not buying from state-run companies of countries you don't agree with, that's why I stick to the private companies as best I can; to support the citizens stuck living in those places. Which guns were junk?
@@GBGuns I looked at the Tristar Cobra III Walnut last year and it had a bad catch in the middle of the stroke, the finish looked like it had been applied with a roller, fit and finish were substandard, and it felt generally cheap. A friend bought a Girsan 1911 several months ago and it failed every 2nd or 3rd shot when we took it to the range. The Stoeger semi-auto I looked at was so rickety and rattley I wouldn't dare try to shoot it. The Canik seems decent, but I have never seen one that wasn't a 9mm, and I don't use 9mm.
New camera?
No, why do you ask?
The image looks much better than I remember from past videos. A cup of coffee this morning maybe helped.@@GBGuns
@user-pu8yl5ue4f I upgraded cameras a year or so ago, maybe you've been watching older videos, or maybe the star aligned and the lighting worked.
You're right: the stars. Seattle rain.@@GBGuns
Who was it that decided that all modern 1911s require that full length guide rod? This is clearly a conspiracy from "Big Steel" to use more metal.
Lol, my guess is armies of reddit commenter. Fortunately, this one comes out easily.
Wow I really don't like that they don't run plus p a 9mm should be able to run anything from Hardcast Buffalo bore to liberty 50 grain plus p or plus plus p .I'm not a big fan of 2011 anyways seems like a little backwards in the evolution of handguns .
Why would you want or need +p from a 4.25" barrel? The point of +p is to ensure the projectile reaches a decent speed so it can perform as intended. For example in 9mm any barrel shorter than 4" is too short for many rounds to get adequate speed (SAMMI spec for 9mm is a 4" barrel and so that's what most ammunition is manufactured for).
@GBGuns it's just some bullets come plus p only and when I shoot plus p out of say a glock 19 it's more power house round than a none plus p .
@GBGuns so plus p only matters if your shooting 4" and under ??
@@charles17508 Generally for 9mm, yes. I wrote this explanation about +p ammo a while back becuase there are a lot of misconceptions out there: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/p-ammo-what-is-it-good-for Another one you may be interested in is seeing what different barrel lengths do to ammo because it's both possible for a defensive round to go too slow to work and too fast to work as intended: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/defensive-pistol-barrel-length-ammo-selection
Working man’s 2011
Trailer park 2011
Yeah know one puts there finger on the guard ..just half the world class shooters ..lol