A real history of Aboriginal Australians, the first agriculturalists | Bruce Pascoe | TEDxSydney
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- Indigenous writer and anthologist Bruce Pascoe draws on first-hand accounts from colonial journals to dispel the myth that Aboriginal people were hunters and gatherers and "did nothing with the land that resembled agriculture". In this powerful talk, Pascoe demonstrates a radically different view of Australian history that we all need to know - one that has the potential to change the course of Australians' relationship with the land. Bruce Pascoe's career has spanned teaching, farming, bartending, writing, working on an archaeological site, and researching Aboriginal languages. A Bunurong, Tasmanian and Yuin man born in Melbourne, he grew up on a remote island in the Bass Strait. Bruce has written more than 20 books.
His non-fiction book, Dark Emu (2014), won the Book of the Year and Indigenous Writers' Prize in the 2016 NSW Premier's Literary Awards. He says, "Aboriginal people have always had a story to tell. We have always been storytellers and artists and singers and dancers and we've just brought this into the general Australian culture. Non-Aboriginal Australians enjoy it and are starting to embrace it". This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
This man is off his tree!
Not wrong 😑
What a con artist.
I have visited some very progressive museums in this country that have large aboriginal sections and none of them have discussed the practice of sowing and harvesting crops.
@REDFOX393 SMITH because we KNOW its not true? I doesn't make sense in our culture, it doesn't match our morals and beliefs? colonisers also said we weren't human and the land was empty. Maybe not everything they say is true and maybe a lot of it is just based in racism.
kiesha The Lang was called empty for its lack of infrastructure or established society.
@@flud3989 the land was ILLEGALLY declared as "Terra Nullius" even though there was proof of infrastructure and an established society. We are the oldest living culture IN THE WORLD. A society is "the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community." Our communities are extremely complex governing and family systems that range over 300 individual nations throughout Australia and have done so for the past 60000 years.
@Connor Broderick yeah, read the book, because you very obviously don't know what Indigenous Agriculture is, you also don't seem to know anything about Aboriginal culture and skin groups.
Lily Rose we r not taught 4 a reason but Truth sets us ALL free!!!!
Interesting, however, I've never heard about farming in Dream time stories.
That's because it didn't happen.
Hmmm then MAYBE you should do some real looking, Its in many nations from the Eel farmers down south to the grain growers in my mob etc Cleaerly you have no idae.
@@RodneyWilliams-to8jc lol Another coward racsist , It very well did happen and is recorded in many nations Dream Time stores, From Murray Cod famring Cray Fish farming, making dams and our Sky father filling them so we can stock them from rivers miles away. The Ell famring in Vic that built permanant structures in the vulcanic rock, trapped smoked eels then traded them all over. OPEN YOUR EYES EARS stop the racism fear. Dream stime stories of the Rainbow serpant giving the Northern mobs native geese Yams, water bulbs etc etc
@@Dingoroaming 😂😂😂😂 yeah sure. You lot done nothing for thousands of years, Couldn't even make clothes or a cooking pot.
Because it is nonsense. Zero evidence.
I think there is something quite beautiful about being hunter gatherers. He doesn’t seem very proud of Aboriginal Australians if they were just that.
Agreed, I'm not sure why it would be a negative thing to be a hunter gatherer.
I know just one gem of Aboriginal Australia. It is the Bunya Nut tree. In south east Queensland for thousands of years that common food was traded amongst tribes for hundreds of kilometers away. Just one thing, with profound meaning.
@@totalwater9431 brother written history is only about 5200 years old and we’ve been in Australia for over 80,000 years. There’s a whole bunch of history you probably believe that was written down but was passed on from generation to generation. Remember writ the end of the day we are just really smart animals, every aspect of modern life including documenting history is 100% unnatural
@@totalwater9431 You make a very good point, we can find relics and use anecdotal evidence from multiple sources to make an educated guess at the truth (the more sources the more likely it is to be true). Aboriginals have historically used stories and pictures to depict so unfortunately with the atrocities of the British colonisation a lot of Aboriginal history is lost to wonder. We do have accounts however of British explorers as mentioned in this video who documented what they saw the Aboriginies doing, we can assume that the Aboriginies hadn't just learnt to grow tubers that day, but in fact learnt it over the years. But yeah not everything in history is verifiable. Just like any science we take the most factual information and replace it with any new discoveries that make more sense, in regard to history this ends up being a ton of anecdotal information and educated guesses based on leftover tools/writings/etc. discovered. Aboriginals used to trade in the north with islanders and lower Asian countries too well into modern history which indicates a bit more than just hunter-gather.
@@totalwater9431 mate I'm not here to argue you're bringing a lot of opinion into objective facts. You can't tell me what the British did is not as bad as it was, I'm grateful for the country we have but not proud of how it became colonised. Aboriginal people got along more often than they fought, and even then it was often family feuds in a sense.
Aboriginals were been documented trading in the north with islanders what do you mean not really lol?
@@Jlewismedia "Aboriginal people got along more often than they fought" Not necessarily so and how do we know?🦘 Maori tribes fought each other,American Indian tribes fought each other,African tribes fought each other , European tribes same and the evidence is clear that Aboriginals did also. Jardine at Cape York observed the actual extermination of one tribe by it's hostile different clan neighbours. That was no average family feud or skirmish....tragically.
@@reedbender1179 bruh you know some early settlers actually watched documented the Aboriginals. You give me "I know nothing about history beyond year 5 education and believe everything my parents tell me" vibes.
Didn't say they were some good time hippies but they were absolutely not monkeys throwing sticks at each other all the time, they had trade networks, ceremonies between tribes, etc.
The only problem with the wheat belt idea is that Jared Diamond states in his text that wheat and these type of things were not originally harvested. But instead the seeds were spread by humans and animals and that's how fruit, vegetables and other plant material first spread. Not through intentional agriculture. But through people travelling and spreading the seeds of agriculture unconsciously. It comes down to the definition of agriculture. What is intentional farming and what isn't?
The Explorers came across very few first ones. They never found crops and to survive they killed what ever walked of flew. I read most journeys. Where did he find this
Clearly did not read many, Uni tafe all have many records copies from original. It very well did happen and is recorded in many nations Dream Time stores, From Murray Cod famring Cray Fish farming, making dams and our Sky father filling them so we can stock them from rivers miles away. The Ell famring in Vic that built permanant structures in the vulcanic rock, trapped smoked eels then traded them all over. OPEN YOUR EYES EARS stop the racism fear. Dream stime stories of the Rainbow serpant giving the Northern mobs native geese Yams, water bulbs etc etc
take their land, destroy their crops as wild bushs, force them into deserts where there's far less water than their original homes. Where else do they get food but to hunt and gather?
7:48 That is an eastern Torres Strait hut, not Australian Aboriginal
Yes your correct, but remember Bruce 'white fella' Pascoe is never one to let facts get in the way of a good yarn.
That is just one of many lies told by Pascoe
The dude has an aboriginal agenda - pretty funny for a grubba
Could elders tell the young people kicking elders out of their home is abuse?
Sadly no one will listen to the elders not the land councils not the people stealing money from the kids no one. They should be an immediate enquiry into this
What he says about the need to start growing Australian crop is very true! There has been a growing focus in recent years on 'locally-sourcing' foodstuffs, to reduce the carbon footprint of our foods since they do not need to be transported across oceans, which is fantastic! However, if there could be a large movement towards growing crops that are actually local to a place, that would be incredible.
Pascoe and others have been trying to grow native crops for over ten years now.
They still haven't been able to produce anything that is economically viable.
Australian farmers have always been at the forefront of crop development.
Do you think they would not have been growing native crops if they were viable ??
How insulting that a political activist can come along and claim to know more about agriculture.
Only the gullible and deluded would believe such outrageous nonsense.
The only native food crop that has been successful is macadamia nuts.
Recognised by European settlers as a productive food source and very quickly turned into a valuable commodity.
@@warwicklewis8735 What about native millet?
And the countless plants which haven't been fully cultivated (as the Eurasian plants were over centuries through artificial selection), but show great potential in production and nutrition?
@@betula2137 that is a good question.
Why aren't we growing native millet or yam daisies or whatever ??
I think you may have mentioned the answer already.
The food crops we eat today have been developed over time through generations of selective breeding.
Selection for productivity, flavour and quality has changed these plants.
Giving us high yields of good quality produce.
To start this process from scratch would require planting unproductive wild plants carefully selecting the higher yield/better flavour individuals for propagation.
Then planting another poorly producing crop and doing it again and again thousands of times over.
The value of the grain would not cover the cost of producing it.
A farmer would have to run a program of selective development at his own loss.
And in the end what would you have ??..could native millet ever compete with wheat, corn and rice ??..or would it be nothing but a novelty crop for hobby farmers.
@@warwicklewis8735 Native millet has actually already passed the economic-viability marker.
It is already more nutritious compared to old-world crops, and can be industrially farmed at high return. European settlers also used it to make damper.
All it needs is federal funding and establishment with conventional farms in order to compete with the status-quo system of growing traditional staple crops, which is hard to change.
That's why we don't grow many native plants industrially for crops, because there is a lack of political will to go through the effort of changing a thoroughly-established existing system.
@@betula2137 I call bs on that.
There is a huge demand for native crops.
A market is the only incentive needed to encourage farmers to plant any crop that will produce returns especially something that will produce on marginal land that is usually fallow.
If it isn't on the market it is not through lack of government funding, any indigenous business start up is able to access millions of taxpayer dollars with no accountability.
Australian farmers have always been at the forefront of crop development, drought resistant wheat merino sheep, granny smith apples and plenty of other varieties of high yield agricultural produce adapted to Australian conditions.
Many hunter-gatherer based societies practiced some manner of agriculture
just as many agricultural based societies practiced some hunter-gather supplementation .
Many of us in the current modern technological societies
still practice some form of agricultural and/or hunter-gatherer behavior .
The Australian aborigines survived for many thousands of years
and should be proud of their ancestry and heritage .
I don't get what you're trying to say. Is it that deliberately leaving out anything that suggests agriculture from history books wasn't wrong?
This video was a great presentation .
I just stated my further opinion that the value of societies
should not be judged on which survival strategies they practiced .
It is the general state of satisfaction of the society which should matter most .
History should be based on facts , though often it is not .
Regardless it is not correct to evaluate a society by classifying it
based on supposed societal progression .
- hunter-gather as primitive
- agriculture as civilized
- industrial as advanced
Most societies did and do , and probably shall , include aspects of all of these .
I live in Canada which is considered to be a developed country .
We are an industrialized nation ,
but also an agricultural nation , with many farms and gardens ,
and many of us go hunting and fishing and gathering wild produce .
@@jerrywiese are you saying that breaking a stone and using it as an axe is as advanced as casting your tools in copper.
And that the addition of the correct amount of tin to create a bronze alloy is no more advanced.
That replacing cast bronze with steel does not equate to a further advancement ??
These innovations and technical advances made life easier and gave the user an advantage over his competitors.
This same progressive dynamic applies to agriculture, cultivating your food supplies gives stability and reliability that can not be obtained through hunting and gathering.
Freed from the eternal nomadic search for sustenance people were able to raise more children and to provide them with a diet that did not depend on the whims of nature.
They had more time to build better tools, housing and experiment with new ideas.
Farming allowed them to dedicate more time to recreational pursuits and arts.
The increasing population density led to cultural innovations in governance and laws that protected both people and property.
No one would ever chose to go back to living the hard uncertain life of a stone age hunter.
To compare the epic struggle for survival of our ancestors to a pleasant weekend hunting and fishing is laughable at best.
The current SJW propaganda that primitive tribal life was some kind of Neolithic utopian paradise is nothing but lies.
The world was not civilized at the point of a gun, but at the point of a knife and fork.
@@warwicklewis8735 To read your comment I feel the need to slant my head to the left a bit.
@@eoinociarain7986 it was written in order to address some left leaning nonsense😁
I believe they were also leaders in the exploration of Space. They did, after all, look at stars.
yep,and that is what capt james cook was doing mapping the travel of venus,not looking to colonise australia,a bit of truth telling there.
They probably invented hydroponics too
The point about carbon sequestration is an interesting one, Allan Savory talks about the same thing using something much more common: grass. My only question is that with Agriculture surplus food leads to specialization and a higher population. Were these also noted by early explorers?
Agriculture requires specialized tools, none have ever been found here.
Have a look (laugh) at the pathetic attempt to pass pointy rocks off as tools.
Described as weighing "more than can be lifted above the waist" a weight that makes it far to heavy to be of any practical use as a tool.
He claims to have seen "thousands" and yet the best example has no handle and no sign of having had one.
This is conclusive proof that Bruce has never done an honest days work but that is all it proves.
Yes hence the genocide
@@warwicklewis8735 you don’t think biodegradable (eg wood and bone) would be harder to find? And you sound awfully dismissive of genocide..
@@NCRonrad we are not talking about thousands of years.
Only 200 years has past since colonisation.
This is not long enough for wood and bone to completely deteriorate.
As is evidenced by the wooden hunting and gathering tools that are still found.
The definition of genocide does not include providing free education and health care.
Or sustained efforts to protect and preserve cultural traditions.
It's not that I dismiss genocide....it's more a case of I dismiss political propaganda.
That's what I was wondering... Specialization also led to civilization - civil = cities. Aborigines invented bread and society?? That was invented independently in many places around the world. Pity he politicizes this. Keep to the facts.
We are meant to rest paddocks after using them, rest them then grow on it again.
People that live on the land understand the land. Respect the Aboriginal culture they have been on this land for a very long time. We all must learn from one another to make this world a better place, a healthy place with good food that is nutritious and so it can nourish us. Peace.
'The truths' he tells are complete fabrications, however. There are many sources using real facts that actually debunk his claims. He is a charlatan.. Sorry. Do some due diligence..
@@orkadian4173 so sad that historical accuracy or study is beneath your engendered hatred of all people who aren't white enough for your sensibility. Evidence that he is lying or sources that prove the opposite please....
Anna Drozdzynski YES Mate!!!
Trite drivel.
Except that indigenous Australians didn't grow crops or spell paddocks.
This is crazy, I'm from Vanuatu right next to Australia and we have been farming since our ancestors arrived on the islands, they even brought pigs with them. It makes absolutely no sense that they didn't know how to farm, people started farming 10,000 years ago. OFCOURSE they were farming!
people have always gardened the wild, and if one wants to call that farming, then fine.... that's what all creatures do...
Agriculture as an Economic Hierarchy is another matter...
Yes, in New Guinea where I was born it’s the same story. Bananas and cane sugar were first cultivated there. Among many other crops.
@@coreluminous Seems you are quite desperate to shift the goal posts for convenience.
coreluminous Europe is one of the regions that did not develop agriculture on its on. The knowledge was transferred from the Middle East.
@@coreluminous perhaps what he is referring to is increasing the amount of a natural occurring plant in its natural environment. This is the same as what is beginning to emerge from the amazon where they are finding large areas of orchards previously believed to be natural. It depends on what consider agriculture, but if spreading seeds and eradicating other plant life to create a natural orchard is agriculture in its simplest form, then it is not necessarily a great leap to believe it was occurring.
Any one that thinks Bruce's claim about the writings or journals should get hold of these journals, and try to find the passages Bruce claims as his proof.
He has trouble getting academics to believe it is code for "the publication failed peer review".
Most of the claims are extreme extrapolations at best. And Bruce's indigenous background is a recently acquired Monica, with his actual Ancestory now having been shown to be 100% British
The continent is large and diverse. People used different methods depending on which part they were from. What they all have in common though is more balanced approach compared to introduced methods.
When white settlers moved in they took all the best, most productive land.
Luke E did you watch the video?
They've never heard full blooded aboriginals talk about farming for the same reason they've never heard full blooded aboriginals talk about colonising mars.... Because it never happened.
Eh Bruce Pascoe has made up his ancestry so we could get the indigenous writers award lol
Balanced? They destroyed half the continent's forest by fire and caused the extinction of the megafauna.
@Solitary confirmed Shitzophrenic haha free country how was aboriginal not free
Australia can have Hemp too. Its good for this permaculture. Uses much less water fertilizer and pesticide than every other crop. Its one of those amazing plants that can restore drought striken lands to fertile weed free land for agriculture using using zero herbicide.
Aboriginal people have been smoking hemp for thousands of years. This is evidenced by the Aboriginal word for cannabis - Yarndi. This may be the origin of the word 'yarn'. In addition, there is evidence that the word corroborate is from the Aboriginal word corroboree. However this man, Bruce Pascoe, is a fraud - he's a whiteman pretending to be Aboriginal to sell his books, (inter alia).
Bruce Pascoe makes some pretty wild claims, taken from original sources that are prone to bias. Indigenous Australians were not just farmers as they also hunted kangaroo and other animals. I believe they utilised the land around them in the best way possible to supply their food: harvesting, foraging, hunting, fishing, & burning.
Then why are they all completely dependant on welfare hand outs now ??
Why are they not using these remarkable food resources to produce commercial interests ??
There is huge global demand for sustainable food technology could they please share these secrets with us ??
Or is it just a feel good fantasy with no actual substance ???!!??
@@warwicklewis8735 , your other response to my other post is your answer. Whilst Aboriginals made the most of their food resource, our food was vastly better - tastier, with more energy density, and many Aboriginal foods were poisonous if not prepared correctly. The reason humanity changed to rely on farming was for these reasons too. Native food gathering cannot support local consumption as well as excess for sale. Many Aboriginals in more remote areas of Australia do harvest native food to eat. It's a bit hard for Aboriginies in built up areas to do likewise, of course. I think Bruce Pascoes idea of endless native food resources is a fantasy, their population was not very large, and accounts I've read talk of some Indigenous starving in lean years.
@@jasonh.8754 The reason our foods are more nutrient dense is because we have selectively bred them that way....it is the result of generations of farming.
You don't see this kind of genetic selection in any native foods.
This is further proof that Pascoe is not "truth telling"
@@warwicklewis8735 Do you sincerely believe that our vegetables are selectively bread for nutrient density? That has to be so far from the truth. Crops are built for yield, profit, climate advantage(drought resistance), appearance and sellability(value). Please explain why you think this? What about the fertilisers? If they are so good, why so many fertilisers? Are we talking, biodynamic, organic, or common farming? There is a big distinction.
And you first response about "welfare handouts' is atrocious. Practically the entire population of Indigenous Australians were colonised, divided, removed, land taken away, jailed or killed. You have to admit that it's pretty hard to continue normal societal organisation when you've just been invaded. I have an idea, considering you are asking to... "please share these secrets?" (you said). Why not investigate a bit more? Why not travel out west, into predominantly indigenous populated areas and ask the question. teach them, See if the land is still worthy, valuable. Why do you think universities encourage Indigenous population to come to uni. Spoiler: so they can get educated and contribute to opportunities like you mentioned. I'm curious. Genuine interested what perspective of education you are coming from? Qualifications, career vocation?
@@isupportchef have you ever eaten a wild carrot or wild onion? They are barely eatable. They are also tiny. You would need to eat 30 just be nourished
I'm confused about why people are saying his claims are false? I thought it was well known that the first Australian's had wheat belts, regularly harvested local food sources and often travelled throughout different seasons to trade with other tribes? It wasn't luck they thrived in Australia for as long as they have.
But yes, I agree - humans didn’t survive in Australia for 80,000+ years by mere luck…
No one is saying they didn't survive.
They were an amazing culture capable of surviving in a harsh environment.
This has always been acknowledged.
They were a nomadic hunter gatherer society with a complex social structure.
Gathering the native grains harvesting the wild plants and animals.
Truly a remarkably resilient people.
But not farmers or settled people.
The evidence has shown that they lived as nomadic hunters unchanged for millennia.
Bruce is saying that this isn't good enough they must be made more like Europeans.
He ignores the ingenuity of their ancient culture.
Unable to respect them unless he turns them into a recognisably European agricultural people.
@@warwicklewis8735 Perfectly put. He puts forth a very Eurocentric idea that agriculture is the result of progress from hunter-gathering, which implicates that farming is better than a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
@@zac2636 ??
Farming is a progression from hunter gathering.
The advantages of stable food sources and permanent settlement shouldn't be underestimated.
Farming was developed independently in at least four separate places.
From these early agricultural societies it was soon adopted by every other culture that had contact with the idea.
Though the process of adapting to farming takes many generations it eventually replaces hunter gatherer communities once they are exposed to and in competition with agricultural people.
Being free from the endless struggle of nomadic movements and the unpredictable resources of nature allows men to put their effort into other pursuits.
In agricultural societies we see an increase in the production of high quality craft and manufacture, buildings become more sophisticated, art and music flourish.
In general the number and quality of available goods grows exponentially.
It is the nature of people to want luxury and material goods (the morality of this is another question but one I will leave for the philosophical pundits to argue).
Todays aboriginal people live on the fruit of agricultural success.
Although they still indulge in some hunting, fishing or foraging it is no longer carried on in the pursuit of survival but rather as a representation of cultural identity and recreation.
Generally carried out with the aid of modern vehicles and guns or boats and fishing lines.
Relying entirely on modern western cultural traditions for food, shelter, transport and healthcare.
People did not give up hunting and gathering at the point of a gun.
Rather at the point of a knife and fork.
@@warwicklewis8735 I get where you're coming from, but I simply think you can't say with certainty that farming is a progression from hunter-gathering. It depends on various factors, including environmental factors.
For example, in "Guns, Germs and Steel", Jared Diamond talks about how Indigenous Australians in the Torres Strait islands/North Queensland traded with communities in New Guinea who had established agricultural practices. When introduced to domestic pigs, Indigenous Australians did not adopt a sedentary lifestyle and begin farming, because there was simply no need for it; hunter-gathering as a way of life was most convenient and suited their environment, and despite being introduced to domestic pigs, they did not feel a need to part from their lifestyle. This also brings into question your point about how agriculture was "soon adopted by every other culture that had contact with the idea". But my primary point is that environment has a lot to do with it, and this is why farming began in the fertile crescent; conditions were perfect with easily domesticatable plants and animals, and a favourable climate. Not everywhere is suited to a sedentary lifestyle, like in Australia where there are few places with perfect soil, few animal species favourable for domestication, and the climate in some areas is not ideal which means there may be a worse quality of life, and the advancements you have talked about may be further out of reach.
Another good example to illustrate this is in the book "Van Diemen's Land" when newly arrived Brits in Australia ended up adopting a semi-nomadic lifestyle over time, because that was better suited to the environment and presumably because it guaranteed a better quality of life.
It should also be noted that there is no inherent value to a farming or hunter-gathering way of life; they are both complex and don't belong on some sort of evolutionary hierachy. There are advantages to adopting a sedentary lifestyle, but there are also disadvantages and limitations.
Yet we also have so many more sources showing that hunting and gathering was the predominant means of subsistence. Could it be that sedentary horticulture was just starting to catch on? I doubt that the early Europeans transitioned from hunting to horticulture overnight.
Yes but Europeans were isolated from the rest of the world for nearly 100000 years
if they were making bread, wheres all the millstones?
You will find them in the deep, dark, recess of Pascoe's imgination.
There are plenty of grinding stones ???
Grinding wild grass seeds is actually one part of his story that is true.
Thank you Bruce for all of your research and spreading the word of Australia's real history. I would recommend anyone watching this to check out some of Bruce's other videos. Incredible information.
Mr Pascoe’s cites for information on the aboriginal grain agriculture, the researcher Harry Allen, who has three separate works cited in Dark Emu including, “The Bagundji of the Darling Basin: Cereal Gatherers in an Uncertain Environment” (1974). From the same, beloved explorers' accounts* that Mr Pascoe used for evidence in Dark Emu, as well as other historical records, Harry Allen was able to build up a model of Bagundji subsistence activities, but came to completely the opposite conclusion as Mr Pascoe with regard to the possible presence of pre-colonial aboriginal agriculture. Harry Allen summarises his peer-reviewed findings in the abstract summary as follows:
“The Bagundji economy was primarily riverine in character based on the collection of aquatic foods and wild cereals. Seasonal variations in their subsistence activities can be related to seasonal variations in the productivity of their habitat. Despite a long period of association with wild cereals, the Bagundji remained hunters and gatherers and apparently made no attempt to cultivate these cereals. Possible reasons for this are examined. No simple explanation can be put forward to explain either the specific problem of the absence of agriculture from the Darling River Basin or the general problem of the absence of agriculture from Aboriginal Australia as a whole."
Charlatan
@Paul French
Some Aboirigine tribes induct oursiders into their tribes and they have been doing it for 1000s of years. Its part of their culture. his genes are aborigine now not to be questioned by the Commonwealth.
@Paul French typical white fragility
Why are you thanking him for publishing lies?
It is amazing what can be achieved with some flint and sticks. No plough or beasts of burden. Maybe they used kangaroos?
when i first watched this i thought an episode of westworld was about to start
Fascinating! Tell me more!
Read the book. Dark Emu
Dark Emu has been debunked. Its full of lies and Bruce Pascoe has been proven not even to be Aboriginal. Aboriginal tribes have rejected his claim but hey, say the politically correct thing and ride the Aboriginal gravy train which everyone else pays for.
So nice to see people like him who just take the time to learn. Relying on prejudice is weak-minded.
Princess Jauregui-Hansen Yep! Yep! Yep!
You don't know this guys are fake do you
Pascoe's two parents were English, he's Aboriginal alright, but he's native to a country he's never visited. That's why he tries so hard - he's lost his own truth.
Pascoe is a fraud
this man is nothing more than a liar,look into it,very shaky individual,making a living off lies.
It is a common misconception that "hunter-gatherers" just live off the "natural" landscape, like other fauna. But they do not. They manage vast landscapes. All people, from the very beginning, have been ecological engineers. Indigenous people use fire ecology and replanting of favoured food plants to shape their entire landscape into massive gardens and food forests. This does not mean they were "agriculturalists", because agriculture is almost always associated with private land tenure and early city-states.
There is a common notion, not just in Australia, but all over the Americas and Africa, that European style "farming" is better and more admirable than mere "hunting and gathering". But this is a false idea. And the finest soils are to be found in regions where the foraging people encourage a vast mosaic of varying stages of secondary growth. This is due to the many species of colonizing plants in such successions fix nitrogen through bacteria that live in their root nodules. Imposing European land use and crops on the landscape of Australia is detrimental to soils because it replaces these beneficial fire-stick practices with ploughing that exposes the soil to wind and water erosion. Imposing laws that prevent the hunter-gatherer "fire-stick farming" - which, by the way is common to hunter-gatherer and horticultural economies wherever they are still found, on every continent - are equally misguided, as these practices not only create these productive wild "food-scapes", they also prevent disastrous wildfires.
Modern agriculture feeds literally billions of people.
Without it there would be a mass extinction as the majority would starve.
Pre colonial Australia supported a population estimated at less than a million people.
A people who lived a precarious existence on the edge of survival.
They manipulated their environment through the use of fire but this was not particularly good for the land either.
The remnants of native flora and fauna are the survivors.
Only those species which were able to adapt to regular fire events survived the onslaught of aboriginal colonisation.
The original rainforest that covered the continent and the mega fauna that lived here were wiped out driven to extinction by the first Australians.
Modern Australian farming feeds a population of over 30 million.
We are also one of the world major food exporters.
Hunter gatherer populations are only able to maintain small populations.
They remain at the mercy of nature.
Agriculture is a stepping stone to other technologies.
Once people become sedentary they are able to spend more time on other pursuits.
The food security enables people to explore other industries.
Metal work pottery art music architecture boat building and trade are able to flourish because people are no longer tied to the endless struggle to survive.
The modern delusion that hunter gatherer societies live in some kind of utopian harmony with nature is simply not true.
It is a hard and uncertain existence.
Requires a relentless and constant search for food firewood and shelter.
Provides a limited seasonal diet sometimes unpalatable.
It is not a lifestyle that any sane person would choose over our comfortable agricultural based society.
6:34 well okay then
Tilled with what? Where are tools.
Wouod love to time travel and go spend time in pre british australia
I'd like to go to pre asian china.
no taboos lmao youd have to go a long way back dude
Oftin Wong lol maybe..but u could be wong
I’d like to go to the post ice-age eras when mammoth and lions still roamed Eurasia
Same
There was an article today in the herald with 2 experts in Aboriginal history debunking alot of his claims.
Expert.....ex (a has been) spurt (a drip under pressure)
This version doesn't back up the ancient Tartairian architecture of the early 1800's
Jacinta and Warren Mundine?
@@sahulianhooligan7046 no Sutton and Walshe.
Sutton is an anthropologist who has been the leading academic for several successful land rights claims.
Walshe is an archaeologist who has spend her life studying pre colonial relics.
Jacinta and Warren were just using common sense and experience they never claimed to be experts or academics.
Yes, an expert.
So we know now that this bloke was making stuff up. So my question would be why has he still got a TED talk up?
Hmmm no actualy he made Nothing up. Its all well proven. It very well did happen and is recorded in many nations Dream Time stores, From Murray Cod famring Cray Fish farming, making dams and our Sky father filling them so we can stock them from rivers miles away. The Ell famring in Vic that built permanant structures in the vulcanic rock, trapped smoked eels then traded them all over. OPEN YOUR EYES EARS stop the racism fear. Dream stime stories of the Rainbow serpant giving the Northern mobs native geese Yams, water bulbs etc etc Clearly you lot so Afraid...why?
So much ignorance on here. Have you all read the journals he speaks of?
It's the Internet, where too many average Joes or Janes can spread their ignorance all too easily.
@Hunsa Picton I doubt you could go toe-to-toe with him in a debate.
@Hunsa Picton Pure fiction? Statements like that don't build a convincing or compelling case for your competence. But I'm mindful that we're chatting on TH-cam, where many people claim to be an expert and know-it-all.
Jimmy B yea his claims and heritage have been exposed as fraudulent. Nice try mate 👍
Rich W the heritage claims that the AFP have rejected, yep debunked alright.
I want to try that cake.
Last time I checked that grass is speculated to maybe be extinct because we were too slow to care. But well, white people speculations aren't exactly the pinnacle of accuracy so there's likely no less than 10 aboriginal communities making cake with it somewhere today, but nobody has bothered to check.
@@ddshocktrooper5604 I am looking forward to hearing how the harvest of local grains on the N.S.W. coast (mentioned in this clip) goes. The harvest time is Feb 2019. With all the mismanagement of our rivers I suspect the harvest will be more successful than the imported water hungry species, especially if you take into account the real cost of water and water mismanagement. Australia has a long written history (since 'colonisation') of drought ruining food supplies (with our more modern imported farming techniques) and serious starvation and depravation resulting from that. There are records showing how many 'settlers' were wiped out from famine. I think it is a pity so much knowledge has already been lost. I hope we start investing in learning some of the farming practices and food species from the knowledge keepers that are left.
It is completely fictitious. It never existed. What a load of SH1T.
Neville Lamberti how do you know ?
dD ShockTrooper I feel like You’re White yourself and trying to get SJW points
Native Australians also practiced Nuclear fusion ,were able to split the Atom and had a space program before 10,000 BC.
Do you have sources of this??
@@cyandamadlala9610 Yes, It's in his book along with the other fairytales.
@@aussiefarmer4955 fairytales you say??🤔
@@cyandamadlala9610 Yes, like Mr Pascoe, just fairytales
How does it make you feel to constantly belittle Aboriginal people? Like why are you so hurt by us? You're so emotional!
Thank you
Best farmers, best land keepers,best food managers, plus ➕️ fantasy stores tellers
The best fire lighters as well, that's why we have global warming, they started it SIXTY ZILLION years ago.
Dumbest and ugliest people on the planet
Australian's are among world leaders when it comes down to each of your topics. They owe this to the European settlers who brought the skills, seeds, and animals here. Ideal climate with good soil and access to water. Yes, Henry, you are right. Our Indigenous tell good stories too.
if anyone finds legitimate online links to the journal entries mentioned earlier i would love to read them. not sure if i believe this evidence what he's saying or not. btw writing a page about this argument is my history homework so any stuff would be much appreciated :)
ok zachary
@@lightlyfriedfishfillets8117 wtf i'm scared now
@@lightlyfriedfishfillets8117 oh wait i know who u are lol, it's fine
i dont think u should waste time on this task tbh
@@lightlyfriedfishfillets8117 if i don't our history teacher will kill me
My ancestors managed the land but didn't farm it. Country provided everything we needed as long as we looked after the land and animals.
i love it when he does the voice!
That's the voice Bruce 'Bogus Aboriginal' Pascoe's ancestors might have spoke with.
@@rjw421 Thanks for your comment rwnj421. You have contributed. Well done.
@@Murrangurk2 Thanks - and don't forget to check out my other comments.
@@rjw421 That's ok, I get the gist of you, rwnj.
@@Murrangurk2 come on man, there's no way he's aboriginal. Not one shred of evidence, actually...only the opposite to say he's not. If he cant get the facts straight on this simple undertaking then anything else he says becomes questionable.
I've just learnt more in 12 1/2 minutes about the history of Australia than in all my decades of living here. Thank you. I dare say my life is changed, and I am delighted to have my life changed. The possibilities of understanding the world differently! I'm in awe
How does this change your life ??
Besides it being a complete fabrication.
How could it possibly change your life to find out something that happened 200 years ago ??
I bet you are thrilled to hear things that you wish to believe
Gullible?
It’s all bull
Hi Wendy, you gotta love those open-minded replies from the flat earth society....
When particular foodstuffs were in great abundance local tribes would sometimes invite neighbouring people to come and get some too. This meant very large, if not huge temporary gatherings. Bruce embroiders these events a bit to strengthen his arguments about agriculture and settled dwellings. It's not entirely accurate. One thing he gets completely wrong is when he claims the First Australians were the "most peaceful people on Earth". This is simply not true, so you might question where else is he departing from reality? Unfortunately, all cultures have blood on their hands. One tribe Bruce identifies with is the Bunurong. A neighbouring tribe, the Gurnai, tried to wipe out the entire Bunurong tribe in 1834. The main Bunurong camps were attacked at Brighton, Dromana and Koo Wee Rup. Half of all the Bunurong people were killed. It was genocide. The tribes saw each other as different humans, so it was also a race war. The two tribes had been at war for hundreds, possibly thousands of years. Previous to this the Gurnai tribe invaded the region of Wilsons Promontory and had wiped out the Bunurong 'Yowengerre' clan there. The Gurnai took ownership of this conquered territory. Conflicts like these appear nowhere in Bruce's narratives or 'truth-telling'.
I love ❤️ TED Talks & I love y'all!!!!!! Druid Lives!!!!
This should be made part of the school curriculum, we have so much to learn ..
Mehrunes Dagon What can we learn from you?
@@MrAnperm That no amount of education can fix bogan?
It is part of the curriculum! I'm teaching year stage 6 agriculture and they have to learn how Aboriginal Australians farmed the land pre colonisation and how their knowledge can assist current Australian Agriculture
@paul w the future generations will learn about first nation people. That will change Australia for the better
Aboriginals really didn't achieve very much. No written language, no great cities. no wheel, no copper, no bronze, no iron, no sailing ships to explore the lands off South East Asia, Asia etc. This was simply basic agriculture. Even the advanced tools were absent.
Many of aboriginal groups denied he was a Native Aborihins
S have survived in the outback for thousands of years learned how to use the land knowvtheir way in the Desertr They are the land. ( pardon me Aboriginals sorry spellchecker)
Maybe someone will be able to explain this to me but I don't understand how these claims can be true, the reason I say this is due to the fact that there is very little complicated buildings or any large amount of writing, while I realise one can exist without the other I dont see how the culture would have expanded more if there was more time freed up due to the farming and storing
Reading Pascoe's book itself will help here (Dark Emu) - as it much more detail (note: it is polemical), as will Bill Gammage's The Biggest Estate on Earth (if you're not familiar with this one - chase it down - it changes our understanding of Australia completely; and since its publication a decade ago has gone from 'controversial theory' to standard text book status) - and The Memory Code - Lynne Kelly - will explain why the lack of 'any large amount of writing' is of no consequence at all to these (and other) matters. You won't regret making the effort. But you will be surprise at just how much self-serving codswallop we were served up in the past that passed itself off as 'history' and 'fact'.
@@andrewholliday251 thanks for your comment
It is all a lie
@@andrewholliday251 yes but everybody now knows it's bulshit so don't keep telling people to read it
It just does not make sense to farm something on a industrial-scale for communities/Mobs so small in population
Bring back the yams!
Thanks Bruce. Great to see this researched information is being told. It's great to hear the real stories of Australian history being told. THANKS Bruce.
" researched " hahahaha
Real research like that in the archeological record or historians that have studied the eyewitness accounts of many thousands of reliable witnesses tell us that aboriginals never produced any agriculture.
Bruce actually admits that he had all ready reached his conclusions before he began the research, this is unacceptable in scientific disciplines because it leads to bias in favour of preconceived ideas.
This is clearly why he has ignored the great many accurate contempory descriptions available and focused on the journal of just one, Major Thomas Mithchell, a man who's self serving and unreliable nature was recognized in his own time by those who actually knew him.
I will ask you the questions I have not yet found an answer for
Where are these crops ??...the modern diet consists of produce from every culture that farmed but not one single Australian native species.
Why have no farming tools ever been found here ??...to farm requires specific tools none have been found here.
Why were aboriginal population density so low??....farming allows more people to live in a smaller area and provides stable food source that result in larger groups of more densely populated areas.
Why aren't they growing these crops now??....with the world facing climate disaster wouldn't native crops that are adapted for our harsh environment be a naturally better alternative than the water hungry species presently being grown.
There are massive financial incentives for aboriginal business start ups and calls for remote communities to become more self sustainable you would think these alternate grains would be served on every table.
RESEARCHED - you mean misquotes, exaggerations, half truths and straight out lies.
'researched'??? What a laugh
How brilliant is this guy!?
If getting away with fraud is considered "brilliant".
He is just feeding left wing extremists what they want to hear.
Like feeding pigs.
I doubt he has ever been to Western Australia .
The Yarra Plenty Regional Libraries currently have 6 copies of Dark Emu. There are 33 holds. People are interested. YES WE ARE. Bruce, thank you for this talk.
Are they kept in the fiction section ??
@@warwicklewis8735 Of course not. That's where they should move the lessons I was taught at school about the indigenous to though.
@@AmandaKaymusic really what is it you were taught ???
I see a lot of people make these kind of broad comments but never back it up with an actual example.
@@AmandaKaymusic I see you weren't paying much attention in your English lessons.
Maybe that is why you failed to remember the Australian history class too.
Its $15 why dont they just buy it instead of waiting to borrow it?
Everyone knows the indigenous people had their own space program, NBN, nuclear power plants, aero space industry, cities with high rise buildings and satellite programs, prior to settlement.
The celts were the first farmers
The way a society treats their women and children is how they should be judged as human beings.
Well then.
In mainstream Australia and Britain, police and medicos are called out because
1.5 women EACH WEEK are killed by a partner.
What does that tell us?
@@maggiemorgan8337 it tells me we have a huge domestic violence problem in Australia.
Yes and before white man came, Woman and children where treated as Royalty. Any male stepped out of place All woman and men from all around "Educated " him. Hurt a kid.....never did it again.
Beautiful...
Fascinating!
Fascinating fiction. Dark Emu has been totally debunked and Aboriginal tribes have rejected Bruce's claim of being Aboriginal.
Love this. Thank you for your research and efforts Mr Pascoe. The aboriginal people of Australia I hope will live a renaissance when we have the intelligence and humility to look to them for many of the answers and great questions regarding humanity.
Sorry which Tribe accepts him?
One of the greatest works of fiction today.
He decided on a conclusion he wanted, and then went about extrapolating it inventing evidence to support it. Most of the claims he makes from Sturt and Mitchell's diaries cannot be found. And his indigenous heritage is a modern day association, with 20 indigenous groups rejecting him before his acceptance. It's been shown that his family history is 100% Descended from British born people
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The "Yuin Nation" which Bruce has claimed to now be a member of, has disavowed his claim as aboriginal.
He now fails 2 of the 3 requirements of being indigenous in Australia. He can lay no claim or proof of ancestory, now is he accepted by any recognised indigenous group. And you could hardly call his multi million dollar farm as "living a traditional indigenous lifestyle"
'Research'.... what???
Maybe he read 'How to Lie'
Has he done his DNA?
Yes Bruce you are a LEGEND!!!!!! Australia is in denial....
Denial of what? They farmed but at a subsistence level. No written language, no great cities, no inventions of bronze, iron etc. Oh and they were defeated.
Ray 😂
Triggered?
@Liam Fact is any country which doesn't have the ability to defend itself against invaders is doomed.
Your only defeated if you give up indigenous people fight to this day for there rights and land your very uneducated for a visitor on Australian soil
Ray ... it’s funny. You are so predictable. Spreading disinformation. Did someone hire you or do you do this job for free? Hate or cash?
This guy is living in a Dreamtime. Farming is p,anting and caring for a crop through to its eventual harvest. Collecting naturally occurring grain and using it is called GATHERING. Hunting is using the naturally occurring fauna for substance whereas farming is domesticating and herding animals which was not achieved.
It’s clear that what this individual called farming are the activities of hunter gatherers. In one breath he uses the word crops and continues to state how they found the seeds and fruits they wanted to use. FINDING is not FARMING if they hard had farmed those seeds and fruits there would be no need to FIND THEM.
Do you realize how you sound. This type of ignorance is why there was a need for Pascoe to retell these deliberately forgotten stories. Hunter and Gather inclines we were almost walking around aimlessly not knowing what we'd find. We intentionally grew, re grew yams, grains etc. that takes intelligence to do. Also, if you want to talk of meat, how do you figure catching meat that was not in fences? I can tell you now our First people knew the patterns of the meat and would do cool burns to be sure that vegetations regrew, and the meat would come, then my people caught them. Thats way smarter than farming anyhow, but it's still farming, its farming without fences. Managed fields. If you knew the insignificant of the words used 'hunter and gather' against us, you'd understand. Hand turned.
Aaaaa this crackpot
hilarious. the australian media outlets put this stuff by pascoe on youtube, but they turn the comments off so the public can't put facts in the story
Aboriginals were not farmers, that would be derogatory to suggest that. They were land managers that lived with nature, farming is only concerned with profiting from nature.
"Lived with nature" you mean lived at the mercy of nature.
Lived like all primitive people by hunting gathering and moving on when resources become depleted.
In drought they went thirsty in flood they drowned.
In years of plenty they feasted.
Famine in the dry years brought hunger and starvation.
You romanticize this life but the reality of paleolithic society is that it was a harsh existence a constant struggle for survival against an unforgiving environment.
@@warwicklewis8735 Well said. It is called survival bias. Those that did not cope with the environment died. They can't tell their story.
Charles Sturt when he went through the Macquarie Marshes fed the aborigines as they had eaten all the food. He was quit scathing of them eating everything and leaving nothing.
The other thing no one seems to mention is that the tribal wars and blood feuds would have stopped aborigines moving to areas where there was food.
As someone has pointed out 500 languages is clear proof they did not get along.
The reliance on colonial journals and yet ignoring of the facts stated in them reminds me a good deal about the attitudes held towards pre colonial africa - except i suppose africans and their descendants are lucky in that atleast the idea of advanced agricultural african cultures (note that a culture does not have to be agricyltural to be ‘advanced’, nor is being agricultural going to gyarentee ‘advanced-ness’) is actually accepted in academic circles. We still have a bit of work to do in general populations though...
Bruce based his whole load on the journal of, not the many thousands of works that describe indigenous hunters, but on the journal of just one .
He actually admits that he had all ready reached his conclusion and then went looking for proof.
Amoung the thousands of records he found one that fits his presumption.
Mitchell was discredited in his own day as a self aggrandizing and unreliable witness.
Previous researchers had dismissed his account as "eurocentric" his descriptions demonstrating a lack of experience in the Australian bush more than any realities.British
I ask you the questions I have had posted for some time, that no one can answer....??
Where are the farming tools ??
Where are this valuable crops ??
Why was there such small population ??
@REDFOX393 if you gather wild grain it doesnt matter wether you stack it in stooks bales or buckets it is still not agriculture.
Harvesting wild naturally occurring grain is the very definition of hunter GATHERER.
Squirrels gather nuts does that make them farmers too??
I love witnessing the resurgence of the indigenous peoples of the world.
They have much to teach us about working with nature instead of trying
to tame it. Best wishes
The key would seem to be to keep the population of the entire continent under a million and don't bother building anything.
That way you can light bushfires indiscrimanatly to drive game out without burning any one else's house down.
Don't mine any metals, there's plenty of sharp rocks lying around.
So who to vote for is a conundrum here.
The people who want to stop the mines....want to increase the population by half a million a year.
The people who want to stop the population increasing...want to build more mines.
????
We are all indigenous somewhere? Except Vincent the Martian?
@@drtooth7505 we are all indigenous just not all as entitled.
Be careful of offending Martians they are a minority.
He is not Aboriginal - his claimed descent has been researched and his ancestry is pure English back many generations. He is a Liar.
@@davidstokes8441 Indeed,but on the gravy train as we used to say. 🤑
Awesome stuff Uncle Bruce Pascoe!
Google Dark Emu exposed - The myth of Aboriginal agriculture.
Ray who are these faceless and nameless men you speak of?
@@AndrewLouisOstrom Type "Dark Emu Exposed - The Myth of Aboriginal Agriculture?" on Google or other similar questions.
More like fake news ?
anthony k ah, The Andrew Bolt crowd have arrived. Nothing like being told what to think.
Funny how a White European Australian becomes an expert on all things Aboriginal
Yay history...
There's nothing wrong with being a hunter/gatherer. There are many cultures around the world that live this way.
Just what i thought. Why are he doing this? It is almost like he thinks aboriginal people are lesser then.
What he say is false, but he feels the need to fabricate an extraordinary tale in order to raise aboriginal peoples status.
This is a big thing in America, where african american history revisionists jump through hoops in order to claim that they ruled the world, invented everything, and "civilized" the world, and it is sad really.
Just imagine the shock of those kids that are taught to believe this when they find out that this isnt true. 😐
He's not making a value judgement about different cultures, he's just saying that the history books are currently incomplete.
U dnt get it! White Europeans claim Aborigines were hunter & gatherers & had no tie to the land of Australia so they can use it against Aborigines by lying to the world that these people did not need their land.
In Australia the aboriginal culture and sciences are incredibly misunderstood, yes there's nothing wrong with being a hunter gather society but we weren't. Rather we has mass systems of complex information, astronomy, genetics, agriculture, the environment, we had dams, complete control over the environment and animals that was beneficial for both parties. If you look into it is beyond impressive. But in the manner of colonisation none of it is written in our books, were only 53 years human to them.
that's why its important to actually educate people about our culture and what we can do for the environment, maybe then Australia wouldn't have been on fire for months on end or wouldn't be the leading country in extinction.
@@kiesha4804 sounds like you are in serious need of an education.
Brilliant . It adds to what I am going to state and prove about The true history of Australia , which is they worked the land from one end to another , flattening the land to control every aspect of their lives.
What a load of bulshit grow up
@@James-kv6kb You have no clue of the real truth.
@@ZeroControl yes we'll I actually do .I don't live on the eastern states I live in the real Australia where real Aboriginal people live and no one has ever heard of Aboriginal people farming . And I'm sure this white guy doesn't speak any traditional language I do
@@James-kv6kb I have studied the world from above it all for a very long time and from what I have discovered, I can confidently say the things I say are true with proof.
Not being curious or astonished that the ancestors of Aboriginal Australians were the earliest pioneers of our migrational human ancestors to get to this continent before our other ancestors reach many parts of Asia, Europe or the Americas from our collective place of origin in Africa is very sad. We all form an amazingly diverse tapestry originating from the same human gene pool that has found creative ways to live in all corners of the planet and found amazingly creative ways to manage the landscape to prosper and survive. Our human ancestors that were skillful enough to reach this continent at least 600000 years ago is the most overlooked achievement of our species and the amount of destruction and disrespect for the incredible civilization that the diverse cultures of Aboriginal Australia were able to achieve by being the most sustainable custodians of a continent should make all Australians (and all humans) deeply respectful and proud as a nation and as human beings. They were forced ( in the most brutal way) in only 200 years to lose almost 90% of this culturally technological knowledge and deep understanding of the land to all of our detriment. The fact that some still survives within Aboriginal communities today is incredible and should be protected and understood to help redress the destructive non sustainable tendency of the dominant cultural practices we see causing havoc to human society everywhere today. We are all human with the same patterns of understanding and ancestral interconnection with each other. Now more than ever in our history we have the opportunity to use the collective knowledge we have acquired since the great ancient migrations to shed the negative and emphasise the amazing achievements such as those our Australian Aboriginal brothers and sisters have managed to retain despite the genocidal attempt to eradicate them and their culture (indirectly it is also all of us and our shared cultural history). Forget linear historical propaganda which when have been brainwashed to believe (to justify the greedy imperial and materialistic aspects of our cultural nature) let us focus on the achievements as an incredibly diverse global species. Nuclear fusion and space programs are not necessarily indicative of a wise culture as we have seen from the unimaginable destruction and political fuckery that they have wrought in the hands of cultures who claim to be the most civilized but will do anything to suppress and deny wisdom and basic humanity in their own and other cultures in the process. Let us use the example of our Australian Aboriginal family and what they have been through in the past 10's of thousands of years and in the past 200 (when other branches of the human family arrived on the continent and formed the thing we now know as Australia), of our common humanity and that great wisdom that can help the world needs to be recognised and celebrated and that any human civilization is just as fragile as the next in our ability to lose what we ignorantly believe gives us cultural superiority over others when we are all related through deep time on this earth
So interesting
Uncle Bruce Pascoe is legendary
I read they he isn't really an aboriginal
If he is your uncle you must be British ??
Delusional is the word your looking for! But the leftist Publicly Funded ABC can't get enough of him!
A legendary liar
This is fantastic information. Thank you Bruce. This needs to be shared
@REDFOX393 SMITH This does not need to be shared however truthful it is. Fiction works better and Aboriginal activists are not interested in anything which does not advance their cause for MORE Aboriginal rights and benefits.
This dude is an aboriginal activist. He is out to shame the 'white' man. The funny thing is that he is clearly one of those!. Not a lot of aboriginal blood in him.
Wow! 💣
Was grain and yams natural to Australia? What about water scarcity in inland Australia?
Wild grains and native yams are found here.
They are not as productive as the domesticated varieties developed by agricultural societies elsewhere.
Part of the process of domestication is selective breeding.
Plants are selected for planting based on desirable qualities such as taste colour or high yield.
Ultimately this leads to plants that look (and taste) different from their wild ancestors.
We do not see these genetic changes in the wild grain and yams found in Australia.
@@warwicklewis8735 I would wager, based on what little I know, that if there is something like a transitional period to agriculture properly called, the pre-colonial Australians were somewhere there. They did manipulate and control the land, and certain starchy plants were important enough to them that they likely would have sought high-density sources of them, and could have altered their environments to facilitate that.
Genetics is a tricky way to tease out the history of these things. Many domesticates still don't have their wild types confidently identified, if at all. We only discovered extremely recently where cannabis may have originated (though the debate continues, no doubt), and the wild type is apparently totally extinct. We are only very strongly guessing that teosinte is corn's progenitor. This sort of thing is really the rule rather than exception for tracing domesticated plant lineages. In Australia, where "true" agriculture was not realized, this would be ten times worse.
@@HuckleberryHim so what your saying is we should redefine the meaning of agriculture ??
Apply the school yard principle of "every child gets a ribbon" to the accepted meaning of agriculture.
The problem with that is then that would mean no ancient culture was ever hunter gatherers.
All ancient people practice some degree of manipulation of the natural resources.
It is difficult to ascertain how much of this was intentional.
Burning the bush bush to drive out game does naturally stimulate the regrowth.
But this is collateral the intention was simply to drive out game.
It is politically expedient in the climate of woke ideology to apoint deep and meaningful wisdom to the most trivial of indigenous behaviours.
Often without any fact based justification.
The difference between hemp and teosinte from Australian species lies in the existence of the modern domestic variety.
There are no domestic varieties of any species.
The proof of non existence lies in the failure to be manifest in reality.
The hypothetical crops that have been proposed still exist...growing as they always have in their wild habitat.
Without need of human influence.
On of the important points made recently has been that aboriginal culture was based around spiritual propagation.
The belief that the fertility of the land was achieved through spiritual intervention.
This belief system regarded the physical input as unnecessary perhaps even blasphemous to their religious belief.
@@warwicklewis8735 I could smell a mile off what kind of common, brutish angle of political outrage you were coming at this from. A bit disappointing you couldn't be less predictable, but do spare me the politics. Bias isn't no longer bias just cause it's the opposite kind.
Read my comment. I never said agriculture should be redefined; I said that there can be thought of as being a sort of transitional period along the way there. Either way, it is poorly defined at present, as you will find most things are. If agriculture did not pop into existence one night, we have to address the problem of when, along that incremental chain, to begin to call it "agriculture". You don't have the answer to that, because no one does.
Intentionality entirely misses the point of gradualism. How can something be explicitly intentional if it happened slowly over the course of many generations, as agriculture did? Does intent span millennia? Sowing a seed might be intentional. Devising the very system of agriculture is about as intentional as the development of religion. No one ever single-handedly "intended" to invent agriculture, very much not an obvious or straightforward innovation, and certainly as little in Australia as in Europe (which, in common with Australia, has no indigenous record of agriculture properly-called; it was brought in from without).
I don't think you really understand how complicated plant genetics is on these topics. I definitely don't understand all the difficulties, but I know enough to know that it isn't nearly as trivial as you make out to determine whether and when a plant was domesticated, what its wild relatives are, how those have gone extinct an diversified over time, etc. It is well within the realm of possibility that certain plants were approaching something like domestication. That's just food for thought, and it makes total sense given the far better documented (and yet also extremely complicated regarding genetics, even with vastly more research) case of agriculture arising in the Near East that Australia, or any region of the world for the matter, might represent circumstances wherein people have made some "progress" towards agriculture properly called.
Thank you very much for your insight
Dark Emu been debunked and Bruce Pascoe pretended to be Aboriginal.
@@Ray-wm8dz I find it hysterical everytime we have to point that out
Thank you so much for exploding myths & stories. I must look at other videos & books you have written.
Even tho that’s how European wives were beaten
@@seer4013 Speared? Don't think so.
Brilliant
Even though, Europeans used to beat their wives also
@Jamie I watched a pretty good comedy with your mother last night 😏
Brilliant fiction. Dark Emu has been debunked and Bruce Pascoe pretended to be an Aboriginal. Just awesome.
Yep. Brilliant lying
Fantastic
Fantasy
The truth is Pascoe embellishes what he reads, noting more complicated than that. As for indigenous heritage, a very suspect connection, both sides of his ancestry seem to originate from the UK.That includes the Grandmother (Sarah Mathews) he claimed in 1993 was born in Dudley, South Australia where in reality she was born in Dudley, United Kingdom.
80,000 + years of continued sustainable, nurturant culture, during which at least 1 billion persons were born, lived, loved, lost and died.. good lives, biologically healthy lives, lives mostly egalitarian in dynamic.
250 language groups and little in the way of organised multi-generational war-fare. People acknowledged tensions and conflict resolution was the typical response. They survived two massive climate changesm without losing their genetic diversity...
These people know how to live here, with all that is, and they know how to live lives full of love, abundance,m effort, laughter, poignancy... they know more about being truly biologically healthy as human species than the colonisers do.
Even stil.
Make Austraila Great Again! Give it Back and listen to the elders. Listen because even still they will love you, and nurture you.
Just open up. It's not that diffficult.
I am not trying to call you a liar or diminish anything the aboriginals did but the whole 80,000 years ago thing makes no sense to me. I mean 80,000 years ago Neanderthals and denisovans were still living. That would make it the oldest civilization to ever exist wouldn’t it? I feel like in a location such as tropical Australia agricultural would of been practical and a probable way of life so I am not debating that it was practiced to some extent. But if you compare the aboriginal Australians to say native Americans in Mexico or Aryans in ancient India which are other cultures that developed independently they have evidence of large scale civilizations and functioning economies. I mean if you claim they are that old how in all of that time did they not build something of significance. I can’t personally think of an ancient people and culture living in rainforests not to build some type of stone buildings. I guess you could point out specific areas in South America and elsewhere but I am talking on large scale. I think Australian Aboriginals are very similar to native Americans that were found in the eastern US. Both practiced agriculture but native Americans there did not build massive cities or towns which could be very similar to the aboriginal in Australia.
@@Luke-bj8mr hmmm...
the mistake many make is to thinkthat civilisation is an inevitable marker of progress. It's not.
Biology mandates healthy behaviour in all species.... Bullying, or Violent Hierarchy is not healthy behaviour....
In Anthropology we see spectra of behaviour from egalitarian to hierarchically violent. Studies of Neuro-development, endocrinology suggest like wise the mandate for healthy behaviour, because being bully anbd being bullied damage the body and the mind.,
We humans are evolved to nurture,not to destroy...
@@coreluminous I see what you have done. Do you like cake? It is not very good for you.
@@Luke-bj8mr some cake is good, excess not so good.
RIP sir
Dark Emu was an interesting read.
Made less interesting when known to be a fictional story
I don't like that Bruce claims to be Aboriginal when he's not. And to say Aboriginals were farmers is nonsense. But their food gathering methods shows an understanding of food production and natural cycles, and they did manage their food resources exceptionally well.
@@jasonh.8754 all people were hunter gatherers.
All hunter gatherers had seasonal food gathering methods and an understanding of natural cycles.
How much resource management do you think it requires to support small nomadic family groups of less than 100 ??
The management comes largely just through moving on as food become scarce to more abundant areas.
A natural reaction to the stimulus of food abundance... not a preplanned agenda.
There is a tradition of "firewood and foul ground".....when the firewood becomes scarce and there is a build up of faeces in an area it is time to move on to the next camp.
There was plenty of starvation and malnutrition in native populations.
Infants and elderly people were routinely abondoned to die in famine years.
Food was often tasteless or even unpleasant eaten for survival rather than pleasure.
The main currency used to employ indigenous guides or workers by early explorers and settlers was flour, tea and sugar.
These foods were welcome items amoung indigenous people and quickly became of value to them.
Leading many to completely abandon their traditional diet and become completely dependant on food rations supplied by Europeans.
Most works of fiction are.
Aboriginals complain about the high death rate of their people in police custody. But don't ask why there is a high rate of Aborigines in Police custody.
Read Dark Emu if you haven't already!
Have you also read Sutton and Walshe Farmers or Hunter Gatherers ??
Or Peter O'Brien Bitter Harvest ??
These books examine Pascoes claims and go back over his source material.
They have conclusively proven him to be a charlatan peddling a false narrative.
Better yet read the source material for yourself.
The journals of the early explorers and settlers.
Eyewitnesses who actually lived among the aboriginals and recorded their own experiences.
Don't trust the political manipulations of a modern yarn spinner.
Kiitos. Thank you.
Thank you for showing the indigenou australians had a great civilization
You need to look up the definition of civilization.
And the definition of the word great.
@Dustin Geard there was a lot of explorers and settlers.
It would make sense that some of them would have noticed this alledged agricultural tribe.
The first Europeans in America clearly describe the cities they found and the societies that they encountered.
They made clear distinctions between the settled farming cultures and those that lived a nomadic hunter gather lifestyle.
These same people clearly identified indigenous Australians were all nomadic hunters.
We get a lot of our modern farm produce from the American native farmers that they found there.
Potatoes, tomatoes, chilli, corn and turkeys to name just a few of the more popular foods in our modern diet.
All these foods quickly became part of a European diet.
Yet not one single domesticated food comes from Australia.
@Dustin Geard there are many thousands of records.
Journals written by eyewitnesses explorers sailors and settlers who actually lived with and spoke to these people.
Scientific studies by leading anthropologists and historians of the time.
And also rock paintings by the indigenous people themselves.
These sources are all very clear on the facts.
They recognize the various tribal features distinctions and nuances that are unique to different areas.
Not only do they record different languages but also the tribal practices and ceremonies that distinguish one tribe from another.
Still none of them mention a tribe that practiced agriculture.
Even the art drawn by the people themselves shows no farming tools or change in lifestyle.
To say that all these people who were actually eyewitnesses there at the time were wrong.
But that a modern political activist has found the truth is truly a stretch of the imagination.
almost 10k views, only 8, now 9 comments ?
This is the way.
This has been discredited and found to be completely untrue.
It is nothing but nonsense and political propaganda.
citation needed
Mr Pascoe thank you for sharing this wonderful talk
It is a lie
This is why TEDx talks have the reputation and status they now have....
There could have been a variety of ways that they lived on this land depending on who they were. There's no way there was a blanket method of life for all. I believe him for sure. It makes perfect sense.They lived here for thousands and thousands of years before white man came, who then walked into parts of Australia that were paradise and assumed that's the way it was not even considering it was due to expert land management by our indigenous people. White man assumed they were savages, because they were different. Who knows how much history has been erased because of ego and stupidity and censorship on our part.
Why does he put on the funny voice for Kirby
He wants to imitate how his ancestors spoke.
Candlebark Year 7, this is an important talk about the REAL history of Australia.
Dark Emu has been debunked. Bruce Pascoe lied. He even lied about being Aboriginal. Aboriginal elders and tribes rejected his claims. Speak instead for all Australians to be united, not for one race to be elevated artificially above other races. We are either all Australian equally or we are not.
It's literally a lie.
Excellent information.
More like MISinformation it's a complete fantasy and doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.
@@warwicklewis8735 So scrutinize and give us the benefit of your sage like wisdom.
@@silentwitness536 ok
Within the first minute he uses the quote about "9 miles of stooped grain" as proof of agriculture.
The entirety of his quoted text is only in regard to the harvest of plants with no reference to the planting and cultivating.
Gathering wild naturally occurring grain is the very definition of hunter GATHERER.
Squirrels gather nuts this doesn't mean that they are nut tree farmers does it ??
This applies also to the fish traps that he elevates to aquaculture.
Catching wild fish and eels comes firmly under the heading of HUNTING.
Building small dams and weirs to provide habitat for wild fish could in fairness be called resource management but it is a stretch of credulity to call it farming.
Not one single farming tool has ever been found until Bruce came along.
Have a look (laugh) at the alleged tools.
A lump of stone showing no marks of human manufacture with no handle or any sign that one was ever attached.
Half a metre or more long and weighing in at "heavier than can be lifted above the waist".
All this proves is that Bruce has never done an honest days work in his life.
Modern humans are bigger and stronger than our ancestors yet the heaviest tools (sledge hammers, picks, hoes or axes) are easily hefted above the head.
This ancient (prehistoric) design allows for maximum force with minimum effort.
There is also the little problem of archeological evidence all of which show a continuity of cultural practice stretching back for millennia with none of the changes you could expect to see in relation to agricultural development.
In fact indigenous activists constantly claim to be the world's oldest continuous culture.
You can't be both you either have continuity or you make the radical cultural shift from nomadic tribal hunter gatherer societies to settled agriculture.
There is no increase in population density.
No move toward building permanent houses, grain silos or defensive walls.
And no sign of the repetitive strain injuries associated with regular tool use (especially with tools so heavy you can't lift them above waist hieght).
Also please explain why the sailors who regularly crossed from New Zealand loaded there holds with the native grown kumara praised the lush gardens of the Maori and made it known that passing ships could exchange guns and axes for food.
Then upon arrival in Victoria these same sailors not only didn't eat the native grown crops but even conspired to deny the existence of them.
And don't try and say it was some kind of government cover up we are talking about pirates, outlaws and vagabonds.
Men who did not obey any authority many of who were native Polynesians, American Indians or freed African slaves with no obligations to British ideals.
Our modern diet consists of the produce found wherever Europeans went.
Potatoes, maize, tomato and chilli all come from the native crops of America.
As mentioned sweet potatoes (kumara) from new zealand.
Chocolate from Mexico.
Coffee from Ethiopia.
Tea from China.
But from Austrailia nothing.
The first domestic crop from this continent was a macadamia nut plantation.....in California.
I have gone into considerably more detail on these subjects in previous posts if you are truly interested I suggest you read my replies to the questions I posed in my post.
I would be delighted to see some kind of intelligent response but having waited nearly a year without any valid rebuttal I'm not going to be holding my breath.
@@warwicklewis8735 Um Warwick, google "Dampier peninsula" and take a look at the HOUSES that are 9000 years old, complete with GRAIN GRINDING STONE. This implies agriculture. As old if not older than european neolithic period.
@@silentwitness536 another red herring.
A herring from the opposite side of the country from where Bruce has been fishing.
I have read that article.
Obviously you either didn't read it, or a so blinded by your own assumption as to be unable to understand what it says.
The headline declares "houses" but that is not what the article itself says.
The archeologists are very clear on the fact that these structures are not houses they don't actually know what the actual purpose was but believe it has something to do with shrinking territories due to rising sea levels.
A time of rapidly changing environment is not a period you would find the climatic stability to raise successful crops.
The scientists who are working on it also make it known that the people who built them were hunter gatherers.
Once again you are fooling yourself into the false equation that harvest equals cultivation.
Wild grain also needs to be ground in order to be eaten.
We find grinding stones in Europe dating back to around 30 000 years ago so old in fact that they may have been used by Neanderthals.
Yet the date for agricultural development in Europe is undisputedly around 8 000 years ago.
So obviously grinding stones indicate only that they ate wild grain.
Then there is the problem of where did this technology go to.
William Dampier whom the peninsula is named after was the first English man to describe aboriginal people, he paints an unflattering picture calling them "the most miserable people on earth" and describing that they "had only a small sort of fish to eat".
What would have caused them to have abandoned agriculture and reverted to a subsistence diet of only fish.
The nearby Burrup peninsula is a treasure trove of rock paintings these pictural records drawn by the people themselves show no change in culture, no images of agriculture or people working in the fields.
Instead they depict hunting, fishing and maps to guide nomadic wanders to food and water sources.
You have been deceived (delibrately) by a fake headline.
Designed to mislead and taking advantage of the presumption of their target audience.
You have been stooged again.
His argument is interesting, and merits independent study. Colin Seis argues that the original carbon content of Australian soils was high- they were fertil...They were degraded by European farmers and the plow.
There's reports from farmers in NSW in 1871 of something they'd never seen before - a dust storm. The local tribal groups had no history of such things either. Less than 30 years earlier the first European farmers settled in what they thought was very rich farmland. In less than a generation they'd destroyed it. Chase up The Biggest Estate on Earth by Bill Gammage, it will completely change your understanding of Australia, its landscape and its shaping and management by First Australians.
The terracing could have been natural or another people may have made it and left it.
Stay open minded.
But I must admit I agree with other comments that such an massive agricultural people would have had massive population. The figures do not add up.
I would argue that the aboriginies took advantage in different ways in different places the natural bounty of the land. All parts of the country had different things, so stating 1 big agriculture society worked like that seems odd. Tribal lands and violent conflict was common, you can`t farm well in such a hostile environment. The cannibalism of some area`s would seem that hate no peaceful coexistence was the order of the day.
Some area`s may have had trade and some sort of peaceful farming practice, but this would seem to be a rare thing.
Many questions and theories are out there, but evidence is needed.
Shaun Moller, were is your proof of fighting , if you understood the true nature ABROGIONALS they value life. Yes as all of society has WAR modern man all over this planet have been at war some were at any given time in history.
Any deaths in ABROGIONALS society was only allow by there elders and it was very controlled.
@@andrewrlitster9966 Especially in the drier inland areas and far north Queensland, the aboriginal tribes fiercely defended their territories from incursions from their neighbours. On the Darling Downs, even when hunting, the men carried protective shields in case they came across men from other tribes. During droughts and extended poor seasons, infanticide and geriatricide were common practices.
Whether he is aboriginal or not is not really important- his information is, and merits being taken seriously!
Oh really.....Google ' Dark Emu Exposed ' and have read at all the misquotes, distortions, half truths and straight out lies that Pascoe tells.
@@rjw421 Just read it. It was more selective and distorted than they claim Pascoe is supposed to be. And sensationalist. Why such anger at a new theory? Why not just discuss it like all scientific theories? Why is the idea of aboriginals NOT being JUST hunter gatherers such an issue?
I will bet that he receives aboriginal benefits!
@@KirkbyKev Because they weren't.
@@KirkbyKev Full blood aboriginals reject the ideas espoused in Pascoe’s book.