I use the arduino 2560 for utility scale energy storage. It’s great for environmental controls, but it’s not a true industrial controller. The failure rate can be significant in tough environments.
Didn't watch the video, just came to answer the question. Because in industry, you design and build your own circuits to your requirements. You don't use someone else's product that is built to a cheap price. Why would you?
@@stargazer7644 thanks for answering the question, but there are microcontrollers and development platforms that companies use straight of the bat. Usually they have more software control compared to Arduino
@@orieka.o.s.e Yes, there are, but Arduino isn't one of those. I would build a dedicated board with a Microchip PIC microcontroller and roll my own software for any embedded application. Arduinos are great for playing around at home, but you shouldn't risk the reputation of a commercial design on one.
@@orieka.o.s.e For example, you don't know the origin or specs of the components used in the arduino. What temperature regimes was it tested for? What electromagnetic susceptibility? And you have no control over if those parts will be suddenly changed in the next batch you get from your supplier. Did arduino get a really good deal on some cheap caps this week? You don't know what quality control was used during manufacture, so you really have no control over the reliability of the module. If you build your product around this and suddenly in the next batch arduinos start failing, then what do you do? There is no reason to take on such a risk. You specify your own components, testing, and manufacturing, and then you know what you're getting. If there's a problem, you have control to fix it.
In my company, I used multiple controller like PLC & microcontroller ( Arduino), but unfortunately durability Arduino not good enough, after used around 6 month we have alot of issue about Bootloop, so after 2 years monitoring we decide not used again arduino in our factory.
Not Arduino boards but the Atmel processors are used in the industry but most do not use the Arduino bootloader. Most used processor I think is the STM32
I mean you seem to be saying that the included arduino drivers/libraries/available abstractions are too general and not optimized for specific use cases. That seems like a plausible point, however, this does not seem to be a reason not to use arduino, because no one stops you going a little lower level and writing these yourselves on arduino, if what you are saying is that you would normally write them yourself with other chips.
The lack of a debugger makes arduino development inefficient. Engineers using a debugger are many times more efficient than arduino developers who must insert print statements.
Arduino is spec-ed for home tinkering. It's a generalist with many features to solve all kinds of problems, but not specialized enough, nor small and cheap enough for professional use.
you are wrong the Giant tech company I worked actually used Arduino on that "test and Inspection machine" and "Plasma treatment solution" the reason is cheap and they can save a lot of money and they can reduce the sized of the E panel! Yes the company I have been work for 3 years they cutting cost using this
@@orieka.o.s.e I worked to this company in carlsbad california where they have contracted with AMD, Nvidea, Space X and nasa and yeah the product is reliable with good efficiency in production rate
@@orieka.o.s.e The company I worked have made a big contract from the past decade with other big tech company such as Microsoft, Nvidei, AMD, Nasa and recently space X. and other Automobile. the engineer I spoke with from the past he realizing how simble and cheap arduino to be used in the machine and they save alot the new machine I have assembled used Arduino Uno and Shield and also used Clear Path motor from Teknic and they drastically low the cost and speed of manufacturing. I worked as Mechanical assembler II in this company but sadly after covid the company shutdown and move to India and Suzhou china
Wrong answer. Arduino is used in the industry, I have seen a lot of climate controllers and PLCs based in arduino. And lots of electronic devices are "stripped arduinos".
Where better solutions are available those are used. However it's not like there are not ad-hoc industrial applications where arduino is very much in use.
Because of lawyers... Just who are you going to sue when it fails and stops production? Just ask your purchasing agent what your terms and conditions are and how much insurance it requires any vendor to have.
great video! i always say, if you need a PLC, then use a PLC. if you're using an arduino thinking you're saving money, you're crazy. I have worked with SLC500s for example that have NEVER been powered off in decades and are still running to this very minute.
Answer: Because for anything that just needs I/O usually PLCs are used, because you dont need Programmers for that. If it needs a Microcontroller e.g. because of the size or maybe because it has to work with low energy, the Arduino isnt the cheapest option. Instead the Industry would go for just the Microcontroller e.g. the ATmega. But still, there are cheaper Options. Dont forget even some cents cheaper scale up quickly. Lastly, if more calculating Power is needed, well the Arduino doesnt have it. Still its one of my favourite Platforms, and a good way to learn. Also its nice for Projects. We do not have to go for just the Microcontroller. Spend some cents more and you get e.g. the voltage Regulation + USB for the Arduino. Spend an Euro more, and you get an ESP32 with WiFi and Bluetooth.
I use the arduino 2560 for utility scale energy storage. It’s great for environmental controls, but it’s not a true industrial controller. The failure rate can be significant in tough environments.
Didn't watch the video, just came to answer the question. Because in industry, you design and build your own circuits to your requirements. You don't use someone else's product that is built to a cheap price. Why would you?
@@stargazer7644 thanks for answering the question, but there are microcontrollers and development platforms that companies use straight of the bat. Usually they have more software control compared to Arduino
It's exactly what he says in the video. It's mainly used for prototyping
i mean you could use just its micro processor chip
@@orieka.o.s.e Yes, there are, but Arduino isn't one of those. I would build a dedicated board with a Microchip PIC microcontroller and roll my own software for any embedded application. Arduinos are great for playing around at home, but you shouldn't risk the reputation of a commercial design on one.
@@orieka.o.s.e For example, you don't know the origin or specs of the components used in the arduino. What temperature regimes was it tested for? What electromagnetic susceptibility? And you have no control over if those parts will be suddenly changed in the next batch you get from your supplier. Did arduino get a really good deal on some cheap caps this week? You don't know what quality control was used during manufacture, so you really have no control over the reliability of the module. If you build your product around this and suddenly in the next batch arduinos start failing, then what do you do? There is no reason to take on such a risk. You specify your own components, testing, and manufacturing, and then you know what you're getting. If there's a problem, you have control to fix it.
Because of the Lack of Support on an Industrial Level. Texas Instruments for example offers a lot.
Ahh…yes. That’s a very good point
so does (or did) Atmel and Microchip, which is what you should be comparing with, not the maker of the boards
What's the prospect of devices like Arduino Opta PLCs in the industry? Is it worth to try it out at all?
I've been looking at some TI Dev kits.
In my company, I used multiple controller like PLC & microcontroller ( Arduino), but unfortunately durability Arduino not good enough, after used around 6 month we have alot of issue about Bootloop, so after 2 years monitoring we decide not used again arduino in our factory.
2 years is a pretty long time. A good do over every 2 years for the price is kinda spectacular.
Not Arduino boards but the Atmel processors are used in the industry but most do not use the Arduino bootloader. Most used processor I think is the STM32
Or download the library and tweak it.
I mean you seem to be saying that the included arduino drivers/libraries/available abstractions are too general and not optimized for specific use cases. That seems like a plausible point, however, this does not seem to be a reason not to use arduino, because no one stops you going a little lower level and writing these yourselves on arduino, if what you are saying is that you would normally write them yourself with other chips.
@@johanngambolputty5351 is Arduino hardware built to handle low-level changes?
We use plc they are way reliable and easily fixable in case of bugs and shutdowns
I agree!
The lack of a debugger makes arduino development inefficient. Engineers using a debugger are many times more efficient than arduino developers who must insert print statements.
@@isaacclark9825 Good point!
Arduino is spec-ed for home tinkering. It's a generalist with many features to solve all kinds of problems, but not specialized enough, nor small and cheap enough for professional use.
you are wrong the Giant tech company I worked actually used Arduino on that "test and Inspection machine" and "Plasma treatment solution" the reason is cheap and they can save a lot of money and they can reduce the sized of the E panel! Yes the company I have been work for 3 years they cutting cost using this
@@csmyfavoritecompany1213 that’s interesting. Do you think your company is an outlier?
@@orieka.o.s.e I worked to this company in carlsbad california where they have contracted with AMD, Nvidea, Space X and nasa and yeah the product is reliable with good efficiency in production rate
@@orieka.o.s.e The company I worked have made a big contract from the past decade with other big tech company such as Microsoft, Nvidei, AMD, Nasa and recently space X. and other Automobile. the engineer I spoke with from the past he realizing how simble and cheap arduino to be used in the machine and they save alot the new machine I have assembled used Arduino Uno and Shield and also used Clear Path motor from Teknic and they drastically low the cost and speed of manufacturing. I worked as Mechanical assembler II in this company but sadly after covid the company shutdown and move to India and Suzhou china
I'm working on a project where we are replacing our PLCs with ESP32s connected to some converters :)
@@jaedson-barbosa how are you guys programming the ESP32s?
@@orieka.o.s.e using the ESP-IDF and VS Code.
I would guess esp-idf is being used.
Wrong answer. Arduino is used in the industry, I have seen a lot of climate controllers and PLCs based in arduino.
And lots of electronic devices are "stripped arduinos".
Where better solutions are available those are used. However it's not like there are not ad-hoc industrial applications where arduino is very much in use.
You are right!
Because of lawyers... Just who are you going to sue when it fails and stops production? Just ask your purchasing agent what your terms and conditions are and how much insurance it requires any vendor to have.
its great as framework, but code editor is not good, i use Platformio in VS code, and is much better
@@PetrBelohoubek-ot5ok ooh, I have to try that.
great video! i always say, if you need a PLC, then use a PLC. if you're using an arduino thinking you're saving money, you're crazy. I have worked with SLC500s for example that have NEVER been powered off in decades and are still running to this very minute.
what if we use only microcontroller and arduino board to just upload codes and write codes using same libraries!!!!!!!
Hey! You programmed the fingers opening and closing wrong, the thumb opens when the fingers close...lmaorotf
I want to add that I believe that Arduino boards are kinda more expensive than the value of them
Arduino is in industry for a long time. Industroino, M-duino, Controllino, Arduino Opta...
Answer: Because for anything that just needs I/O usually PLCs are used, because you dont need Programmers for that. If it needs a Microcontroller e.g. because of the size or maybe because it has to work with low energy, the Arduino isnt the cheapest option. Instead the Industry would go for just the Microcontroller e.g. the ATmega. But still, there are cheaper Options. Dont forget even some cents cheaper scale up quickly. Lastly, if more calculating Power is needed, well the Arduino doesnt have it.
Still its one of my favourite Platforms, and a good way to learn. Also its nice for Projects. We do not have to go for just the Microcontroller. Spend some cents more and you get e.g. the voltage Regulation + USB for the Arduino. Spend an Euro more, and you get an ESP32 with WiFi and Bluetooth.
Well said! Arduino is such a wonderful learning tool even for very complex projects. It fails in cost-effectiveness and demanding real-time scenarios.
Probably because of the rise of esp32s
@@renren_does_programming for real
I am sad now
@@hyperpony4865 don’t be! There is so much to learn from other microcontrollers
Why when sense isn't being made from the opinions?