Why have I never done this before?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2023
- Playing as a native in EU4 is typically looked down upon but it's actually some of the most fun playthroughs out there. There are unique mechanics, unique governments and mildly hidden formable nations that are found through native mechanics and tribal cohesion - much more interesting than simply conquering provinces. In any case, today, I play as the Iroquois in order to repel the Colonisers!
Why have I never done this before?
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If you do the tribal horde (pls do) it'd be great if you chose cahokia to be your capitol
Joke's on you - I'm not even subscribed. ONLY because you demanded (jokingly) that I be banned for making a pun during the Masters of the Universalis tournament!!!!!!111111 Maybe some day!
what patch did you play this time? the map shouldn't be grey should it?
@@maxvanbroekhoven2308 He might've disabled terrain with a mod or maybe its a built-in setting
@@emirsahin9102 I agree! native tribal horde sounds amazing, extra plus to invade the top European power to gain access to the wealth of Europe
Watching Laith trying to figure out tribal development was both funny and a bit maddening. Admittedly, I only knew how to do it because Spiffing Brit did a video cheesing it early on.
Lol same
I only know it bcuz i played as a adventurer band in castanor in Anbennar
@@holey5065 this
what spiffing brit video did you learn it from
I’ve played hours upon hours of natives and it was kinda fun tbh
The Cherokee are migratory and have good ideas and have their own missions so you could use them to create a horde.
They also have a nice achievement you can get.
It’s kind of sad that viewership declines when you don’t play in Europe because I think not playing in Europe is actually quite fun.
For real. Most of the time I'm not playing in Europe.
Playing outside of Europe means that you get to fight the strong nations later making the late game way better. If you start in Europe you have probably taken out at least 2 by 1500.
Playing in Europe is also way more RNG and slow
Plus, something crazy always happens in Europe while you are away. Mameluks taking over Rome kinda crazy.
Europe is fun. But i think all continents have its charm, to me there is no real boring continent just some boring countries.
I kind of find it hilarious that you start as the Onendaga (historically the most diplomatically inclined of the Haudenosaunee) and immediately started trying to conquer your neighbors.
I've played a number of Onendaga games. If you don't pull off a couple of early conquests to expand you're basically screwed. You're federation almost always has 1 or 2 members that are allied to your rivals, and if you don't take care of them soon it makes the diplo game a pain.
i mean, its an historical sandbox game. you could RP as first nations but that would be masochistic to say the least lol
The Iroquois is in my top 5 nations. They have great ideas and a challenging start.
Bout to leave for sleep, making this comment so it dosen’t wreck your analytics
I'd say top six
The three sisters were the name for the crops the Iroquois grew in polyculture. They would grown corn, bean and squash together. The three plants used different nutrients in the soil and grew in a way that supported each other physically. It was a very effective agricultural system. More resistant to blight and over farmed soil than European monocultures.
Europeans did not practice monoculture at this time, monoculture is pretty much a product of the industrial revolution
@@Supermegamanuel01 Europeans did use crop rotations though, not the kind of polyculture described by the three sisters. They would grow different crops in the same fields through the year but not simultaneously and together in the way the Iroquois did. You are right though that the main benefit of monocultures is that it makes mechanised farming easier and so was unnecessary prior to the industrial revolution. Modern crop rotation techniques that are being developed now are actually inspired by the three sisters to balance the benefits of monoculture with soil preservation.
I only know these mechanics because of the Anbennar mod, highly recommend playing as adventurers in Escann
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Damn I legit had the same experience, learned the mechanics the same way. Escann is a super fun region to play in.
Exactly the same for me.
Exactly the same 😂 Adenica won't form itself after all
same and i thought laith knew how to play eu4
Whenever Tribal Development (as shown in your native screen) reaches above 1 in any category, your capital gets 1 development in that same category. When you settle land, it removes this from your capital and puts it into the new province and colonizes it.
The best way to aquire more Tribal Development is to build the associated building.
EDIT: well shit, in any case it doesn't seem like you understood the entire thing in this detail so i'll leave the comment up o - o
One important thing it's that if you time it right, you can settle several lands using fewer Tribal Development: you just need 1 of ANY category, so as soon as you get 1.00 in MIL Tribal Development, you can settle 1 province, then 1.00 in DIP settle another and 1.00 ADM a new province. If you take too long and they catch up and you have 1 in each, you will use up the 3 Tribal Development and settle only 1 province (like Laith made all game and it's awful and it pains me).
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This was surprisingly entertaining. Would love to see an invasion of England, and a native horde game would be fantastic to see!
The natives colonising the English sounds like a cool idea😂😂
Tribal Natives are really fun, they were actually broken when first added due to the amount of tribal development you can gain and then settle rapidly or having like 40 dev capitals XD. For the horde, it is a challenge because you need to stay as a single province but you can still take tribal land to ensure when you become a horde, you settle all those lands.
If you do continue this video, don't forgot about your religion! Totemist is broken because if you get rulers with the same trait, when they die, you get to add it again (meaning you can easily stack high discipline or morale!).
Get only scholars and get up to 80% reduction in Tech-cost. Iroquois Space Marines incoming xD
Native Tribal Horde? YES PLEASE
also Native Tribal Horde World Conquest is possible since you can invade from three directions
Having the capital as Cahokia would be the cherry on top.
@@Brakiros Native world conquest is unironically the hardest start imaginable... Even harder than ryukyu, that's why it must be done...
I love the Iroquois, theyre really fun. You also get Native Ideas which are the best in game imo
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@@HDTomo what is sleep 🫡
@@HDTomo G we got it, you could've left a single comment under the main video and it would've had the exact same effect on the analytics as replying to 50 people
As someone who lives near by the great lakes. I really wish eu4 had river and lake combat for navies
Absolutely vital for the US Revolutionary war and 1812.
Poland Can Into Space, and No Trail of Tears are I believe the only 2 times I've ever gotten to 1821.
My favorite first nation to make into an unstoppable horde is Navajo you basically start with one of the best monuments in the game everything around you can become a gold province and if you go south you can grab the insane gold monument in North Mexico
26:50 you absolutely can. I once controlled all of north America without going to war by repeatedly creating new federations. Absolutely overpowered once you have enough Diplo rep to get everyone to join.
They removed that in the last patch. The ability to form a federation nation after you already have formed one.
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Natives are usually one of my go to. I like to run as the Apache.
Next you probably should go for No Trail of Tears achievement as Cherokee
Laith I'm late by a few days but just want to say the start where you play for time while just reading out what we can already read because you were unprepared was genuinely hilarious and I loved it. Perfectly encapsulates why you're the best EU4 content creator imo.
I love playing as the natives, it’s genuinely the most fun I have in the game.
What got me to play EU4 was a TH-cam series of someone playing Iroquois 7 years ago, so I really enjoy seeing you give it a shot! Brings back good memories.
I wish so much to see you continue this!
You should absolutely continue this run! Would love to see you keep expanding and maybe make some noise in Europe as the Iroquois
Dude you are one of the only reasons I figured out how to play Vicky 3; literally the best content creator im subbed to. Europe be damned, iroquois supremacy!
Yo I live in Onondaga county in NY - I'm pumped on this! Keep it up
Late night laith on a school night is lovely
I’ve been waiting for this forever!!! Thankyou laity!
Improve relations also affects the decay rate of AE. So it can be helpful in slowing down coalitions
One thing to note when you want to go the migratory tribe route in another playthrough: The Humiliate casus belli (not humiliate rival) also has the option of doing show strengths. Also, you can even declare on federation members as soon as they all join in offensive wars, and members will not leave your federation when you attack them (if I remember correctly).
Therefore you'll basically swim in points and can finish the first idea groups in no time (and indigeneous ideas are great to reach the last reform quicker).
The tribal horde video idea sounds awesome, definitely make that
I'm muskogee and find myself going to play the creek from time to time, im just glad my tribe is in the game and playable.
I've done a world conquest as Quizquiz using the tribe mechanic. Its actually really fun campaign early on. You can't expand more than one province, but can take tribal land. Still strategy early on is largely the same, using the vassal swarm tactic to make a strong base before taking the horde reform. Since the settled tribes have so much more reform progress, it is easier to start as a settled one, wage humiliation/money wars until you can go migratory while having a single province, then flip migratory and expand hard, getting border with Mexico ideally. That way you can start conquering Mexico as a horde.
Also when doing the go wide native strategy, the reform progress building is the way to go nowadays since the tribal dev nerf. That is the only resource that carries over effectively. You can easily stack up enough reform progress to complete the theocracy tree, which along with Indigenous ideas lets you max warscore cost reduction at -100% vs non Totemists in the Age of Absolutism.
The Three Sisters are corn, beans, and squash. When planted together, they keep the soil from being drained of nutrients and provide one another with other aids to survival.
I've had a lot of fun with the tribal starts, nice to see it being done properly!
I've seen people post about the troop selection and deselection thing not working sometimes. If I remember correctly, it ended up being caused by a skill issue.
Love the vid! Definitely do that native hoard idea, sounds fun!
uploading in the middle of the night :D
very nice video i would like to see a part 2 of this.
also i would like to see an aztec video somewhen 😊
Can't wait to see the next vid!
The admin, diplo, and mil symbol beneath your tribal federation bar is your tribal development. When you have 1 of each you can settle tribal land. If you don't settle it is added to your capitol province's dev as development points.
It seems you sort of figured it out eventually lol. See I watched everything. I just commented fast.
POINT AND LAUGH (but thanks)
Its one of any, not one of each. But yeah you got it. It gets spread throughout your newly settled tribal land.
I literally stay up to watch these 😂 I have a problem ( I don’t comment much but these videos genuinely make my day better get it coming laith)
For a native horde I would love to see a semi historical one in South America.
Bro your username is your actual name, you should change it
He should do Comanche, which historically were essentially New World Mongols
One of the East of South America could be interesting! Like Tupiniquim or Guarani.
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh why. I really can't be bothered to.
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh Do you think he has an extremely unique name? there are thousands upon thousands of Andrews and I'm certain there are quite a few with the same last name. Don't be weird bro.
stunning stuff love it
I would love for you to continue this one. And then, HORDE!
8:30 I can't wait for him to realize you can take tribal land from other natives in war and blob out to no end.
I love to see that someone tries the NW nations
It's weird at the beginning, but once u get used to it it is quite nice.
Also would you play a mod where every province in europe is the same size in form of a Hexagon?
I would love to see you play it
Onondaga ( On-on-dog-ah) - Skenne go'wega! Hello from Onondaga nation!
(When referenced traditionally and separately from the Haudenosunee (Iroquois) - often said as Onondago geh'ga (Which is "The People of the Hills")
Love seeing you play in North America! Definitely hope we see more of this run
Wow what a great video. I watched the entire thing in 17 seconds.
Yo I don't get why people usually do not watch EU4 native games, and neither why the ones who do it normally doesn't watch all of it. I am a huge native enjoyer and love the pretty different playstyle you adapt, as well as the knowledge advantage you gain from it. The native mechanic also helps you a lot when playing Australian natives. Though many describe playing Australian native as "watching paint dry", I also enjoy playing Australia and watch videos with others that play them as well. I am glad to see you enjoy playing them and look forward to the next video with Iroquois :)
the horde idea sounds great, would love to see that
Love to see this!
I really liked this video!
Love this kind of video bro! Thanks for risking the viewship i how my comment helps the algorithm
As a Canadian, this is the formation of the "Six Nations", the peoples of the "great lakes region". Which, of all "north" and "non-extant" groups, are considered the most socially complex (mainly due to their VAST farming projects, which dwarfed many European "era contemporizes").
You need a dlc to get rid of bad kings and queens. I dont have that dlc. Its a pain without it
Play republics and theocracies instead
Playing outside Europe is always interesting, can't wait for the tribal horde vid!
Looking forward to this
I quite enjoy playing these more obscure nations. Idk why but I just find it fascinating.
Pretty cool, I might have to revisit mu EU IV.
I have Seneca ancestors (emphasis is on the third syllable) and I live just south of Onondaga lands. So, I quite enjoyed your video.
As a historical aside, the Iroquois (Haudenosaunnee) were a "proto-empire" before the Europeans showed up, so you weren't too far off on your play style, except they went north and west and were rivals of the Huron.
I didn't watch the whole video but it pained me looking at the Tribal Dev/Federation menu and having Laith still ask about normal dev
This is the only video i have no idea what the heck is happening but i still watch till the end
I absolutely want to see a native great planes horde video.
yay i waited for you to do this for a long time try horde blackfoot
I’ve been looking for the answer to the settle thing for so long. I wish there was a tutorial for it but hey this works lol
I would love to see a reverse colonization continuation of this video! and a great plains horde campaign
my recent playthru as nusantara or however its spelled i forget.. england took out all of france.. ive never seen that happen in 3000 hours
Learning: The Three Sisters are Corn, Squash and Beans. If you grow them together, the corn provides a framework for the beans. The beans provide extra potassium or something in the soil for the Squash and the Squash provides better ground cover to prevent evaporation. They grow very well together, except Europeans were like, "YER DOIN FARMIN WRGON!" and want them to change.
tribal land grows over time and is automatically placed on your capital settling moves some of the development on to the other provence from your capital to gain tribal land you need to build buildings be migratory or have the reforms for it
i woul love the tribal horde game might try it my self
Horses originated in the Great Plains before migrating across the Bering Straits and getting hunted to extinction by the natives once they arrived.
Imagine forming a federation with a Fr*nch name
I have been playing a lot of natives since Leviathan came out, and if you want another fun natuve playthrough you should check the cherokee out.
Descent missions, great ideas and really good gov for natives. (I have a lot of knowledge about the tribes)
If you decide to do any migratory tribe, try to be -2 stab, since it's the best for it, less migration cost, and better than -3 since -3 means no wars
the thing with tribal dev is that it is extra dev which goes to your capital, you spend it to settle.
edit: nvm laith figured it out
Iroquois is so much fun have played them many times! One of the best natives for sure.
native mechanics sometimes feel like a completely different game
As someone who was born in Westsylvania I am very offended.
"I make friends by burning down their house" that explains the bin burning thing you did back in the day
I definitely think that you should do a super-capital horde
Reverse Card the Colonizers! That would be great fun to watch.
Be a native tribal horde as the Comanche. That would offer a level of historical rp
Native tribal horde video yes!
7:11 build irrigation first in all provinces and secondly longhouses.. thirdly ceremonial fire pit (i think only one can be built?) if you do this u will be a superpower in no time.. all other buildings are worthless compared...
Sometimes I worry about your sleep schedule as you keep posting at like 2-3AM in the morning, I mean yeah I’m watching this video at 3am but that’s because a good night Laith video has become a tradition by now
Iroqouis was my first new world game, theyre pretty great
"They're cheap as chips and chips are pretty chea.. Well not in this current economy, I'm afraid, but ordinarily chips are pretty cheap indeed."
Never has Laith sounded this British.
I want to see the native horde sounds like a blast
yeah yeah do the native tribal horde thing, it reminds me of after the end fan fork
Tecumseh is spinning in his grave with that hawkish early game.
I really hope this reaches the like goal, love to see more non European stuff
As a totemist you want to put your leader in charge of armies and get them killed. Because you can then set them as ancestors in the religion screen and get their trait as a permanent buff. Also, since tribes have low land force limit you can drill for professionalism really easily.
You should do the tribe hoard idea as Fox!
Only reason I know how tribal stuff works is cause of the adventurer bands in Anbennar. Highly recommended playing Order of Iron scepter or whatever the nation is called in Anbennar.
I would love native horde would be so cool~
I want to see the real Tribal Horde.
Seeing you open the tribal dev menu so many times hurt me internally
Sunset Invasion! Let's go!
I only knew about tribal development mechanics because I played an adventurer in Anbennar.
Finally, a video outside of France!
Playing Anbennar is the only reason I know how the fucking painful tribal dev system works, watching this pain is cathartic
24:08 when you change government type yoy instantly colonise all your tribal land (assume you do this later in the vid) so doing only 1 province migratory tribe is do able and fun.