As a reminder for anyone who needs it. With rare exceptions, all media is political. If you don’t think so, it either agrees with your politics or you’re too stupid to realise what it’s trying to say. Media literacy is not only critically important for navigating through and interacting with the world, but makes discussing media more fun when you’re able to enjoy, appreciate and critique media on anything more than a superficial level. - Karl
I wouldn't say you have to agree or be to stupid. Complacent, not critical, or simply consuming media from another culture can make it hard to pick up on political nuances. Like I don't assume if I watched say a Chinese movie that I could pick out what political stances it took or ignored vs say American media which comes from a culture I am much more in touch with.
@@malcire I think the point is more that the majority of media is political and that trying to argue otherwise, or just denying that is the case, is the problem. If you acknowledge that media is, by-and-large, political, you've already shown more media literacy than a lot of (at least the vocal minority of) people, which puts you on the right track to growing that literacy.
Hollywood has a history of exploiting african american people that being the actors, the support of black community for the said actors and culture for profit. In the past few were written well ,some token black men, It stopped for a few year with actual well rounded characters who just happened to be black but in the recent years its just mostly rich white men writing empty shout hey look at me I'm black and if you don't act like me you not actually black. Telling people to judge you by you skin colour people by their skin colour is the first part of racism. I was taught and check for myself that the leaders of the civil rights movement fought for equality for us not be referred to as black people but people. American has been being hiring actors recently not for the acting ability but their skin color to have them play some twist racist view on black people."If you hate the white man and you're a black man you're not black! be aggressive, be loud, be gangster, do drugs ,sleep around and don't responsibilities DEMAND TO BRINK BACK SEGREGATION'. "YOU ARE WHAT WE TELL YOU REBEL, PROVE THE SUMPREMISIST RIGHT THAT YOU'RE VIOLENT STUPID PEOPLE ONLY GOOD FOR PROFIT"
Marvel writer Mark Gruenwald did think it was absurd that Magneto tolerated Red Skull (he didn't write that scene), so a few months later he wrote a Captain America story where Magneto explains the reason why he didn't immediately kill Red Skull was that he wasn't sure that was the real one (he was presumed dead at the time), then as soon as he has confirmation he locks Red Skull into a bunker without any food and leaves him there to starve to death. Obviously Red Skull made it out alive because it's comics, but that was about 30 years ago and I don't think he's met Magneto again.
They had met again when red skull stole professor X’s psychic powers, magneto’s powers where severely weakened at the time so he just beat the fuck out of him with his bare fists
There's a rather cool Wolverine solo comic from the 80's or 90's in which he goes up against a Nazi cyborg. Wolverine wins, but the cyborg gets away and has diplomatic immunity or some such bullshit. Wolverine then says "Don't worry... I'll call a friend" Cut to some time later and the cyborg is in an airport when a small toy robot bumps into his foot. He bends to pick it up and as he stands up he finds standing before him, wearing a black overcoat and hat (much like his first appearance in the X-Men film) and smiling broadly is Magneto. The colour drains from the cyborg's face and Magneto politely leads him off panel saying "We have much to discuss" The next panels are close ups of the toy robot, first rising slightly, then being dismantled bolt by bolt by an unseen force. The End. Absolutely genius.
That's brilliant, I love that Wolverine is just like "Hmm... this Nazi's going to escape... too bad I can't straight-up violate international law like that........ But you know who wouldn't care about doing something like that...? Might as well give Magneto a call, I'm sure he'll have some 'opinions' about this."
That panel of Joker hating Red Skull is so great, just, dude hates Nazis more than he hates the society he's been opposed to all this time, and dude's totally not all good, but that's just really satisfying.
@@jamesricker3997 Why would you think that it necessitates a character be Jewish to hate a nazi? They did a lot of bad to a lot of people, over nothing more than circumstances of birth in most cases.
OK so a cannon thing I love is that The Thing every year sends moon Knight a Hanukkah card cuz he doesnt have alot of superpowered jewish friends and I am now head cannoning that he does the same for magneto
@@bobbysworld281995 I mean how can he practise it? he doesnt even have time for his own girlfriend/fiancee/wife and he tries all he can to spend it with her.
I think with how hated the red skull is; is both a testament to how much Nazis are the largest stain on humanity to this day as well how much marvel wanted to make a villain so hated hes an icon of how not to be evil.
@@chrisR-B "Hitler wasn't that bad, guys! Guys! Have you heard about this other bad guy? Dude, I'm telling you he was like a jillion times worse!" -this you?
@@acloserlook5823 stalin is also absurdly evil but saying anything other than "hitler is the worst" makes you sound like you like hitler. personally i put them on the same level as infinity and infinity +1 have the same value.
Dr. Doom: “Just ignore him and he’ll go away.” Magneto: “Okay but you owe me big time.” Dr. Doom: “Fine I’ll cast the spell that’ll make Xavier sound like Micky Mouse every time he tries to use his Telepathy.”
the whole wolfenstein thing reminds me of how people thought doom was a satanic game when all you do in the game is kill demon and the only trait that the characters that you play as has is that he really really hates demons
@@kirby0666 i mean i never said it didnt have a story. just that the MC of the game motive to do what he does comes from him really hateing demon. ya its stems from his rabbit being killed by a demon but that still one of the only traits he has at least for personality and all he does is kill demons/devils and before you bring up enternal it has been stated that all demons/devils where once angels that went corrupt. and yes you can also find collectable in the game. so technaicaly i was wrong about the all you do part technaicaly.
@@kirby0666 Yeah there's a lot to Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal going on *around* Doomguy/Doom Slayer, but his whole thing is still "man do I fucking HATE demons." People talk at him about their grandiose plans and the entire time he just wants to get back to killing demons and saving mortals who AREN'T siding with demons.
@@matthewgagnon9426 doom guy is more fun being just Some Guy who REALLY fuckin hates demons, this lone crazed lunatic so good at ripping and tearing gods and demons just kinda have to fuckin deal with his shit forever now
Actually demons are soulless humans who survived the near unending tortures of hell or the argent factory not angels In fact the makyrs are supplying the demons worlds to convert
I think the only reason Magneto doesn't just un-exist Red Skull is because he knows the Skull doesn't deserve a quick death. That's why he tortured him in isolation instead
One time he did try to help resurrect him in the body of Captain America but he made it extremely clear that he only did it because he valued his word and if he didn’t give his word then Red Skull would be dead completely.
Doom and Wanda (both romani) teaming up to beat Red Skull and then Magneto joining in would be amazing. Doom asking Mephisto if he can trade his mom's soul for Red Skull.
Unfortunately there are probably Nazis out there who would be offended even if the don't call themselves Nazis. There are always going to be people out there who want to keep emulating the past rather than using it as a springboard off of which to move forward.
On one of the videos on the First Class bar scene on TH-cam; someone mentions that they'd absolutely watch a full length action movie of a younger Magneto just going around the world, hunting down and killing Nazis. I'd also watch that. The only reason I could see Magneto and Red Skull teaming up is for Magneto to get a full list of remaining nazis.
That would've been a great magneto origins movie, just avenging Magneto, who no one has any real motivation to stop. Shield is observing/tracking him, but always somehow always arrives late with coffee they stopped for.
Honestly the idea of the Avengers fighting Red skull and struggling only for Magneto to just fly in and turn the guy to paste would totally be something I'd want to see
Dr Doom was probably giving Red Skull the same face as Magneto, you just couldn’t tell because of the mask. Remember, Doom is of Romani descent so would also have been sent to the camps if he was around at that time (and actually, giving the artwork looks like it’s from a comic published in the 60s, at the time of publication, Doom probably would’ve been old enough to have lived through the Holocaust, so even if he hadn’t been sent to and survived the camps himself like Magneto had been, he probably lived in fear of them as Latvaria is likely located within the area the Nazis occupied during WWII). Maybe that explains why Magneto didn’t instantly butcher Red Skull - he was playing rock, paper, scissors with Doom behind Red Skull’s back to see which one got the privilege of doing him in. ‘I just don’t like it’ is a perfectly valid reason not to like something, the thing is though, if that genuinely is your feelings about something, you probably don’t have an extreme reaction to it, you’d just be indifferent and move on; you wouldn’t vehemently rag on in and complain non-stop about it.
I once read an old school comic aboout Doom's origins were as a young boy his people were attacked by Nazis, Doom being a scientific genius even at that age invented a chemical solution that he sprayed on the horse drawn wagons his people were fleeing in making them invunerable to explosive artillary shells. Classic comicbook science was wild.
I can see that interaction just play out, just two of the strongest evil minds making bets on who gets to torture Red Skull on certain days like a separated sadist couple discussing the 'family pet'. Magneto: "So you can have him for mondays, wednesdays, and fridays, while I can get him on tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays" Doom: "I'm running a government, I can't torture him on weekdays!" Magneto: "Well so am I!" Doom: "Please, Erik, we both know you delegate your responsibilities to your cabinet" And I can just imagine they have an agreement where Doom gets to publically humiliate Red Skull on Latverian Independence day, while Magneto gets to twist the iron from his bones on Holocaust Rememberance day, and for Hitler's Birthday, they let him try to escape and hide in the wilderness
There was actually a bit in the comics where Doom had to interact with Red Skull, and he said something to the extent of (and I'm paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact quotes) "I have seen your peoples' final solution. You tried to end myself and my people in your camps. I lost people because of you. After that day I swore to never tolerate your kind ever again." (And I don't remember exactly what Doom did after the quote but it was basically a little "fuck you"-action that left Red Skull without his nazi buddies and surrounded by a bunch of very angry people who weren't too fond of nazi's either.)
@@jmurray1110 No? But I'm an adult with a healthy attitude towards media, so. Like you want to get mad about something, how about raging about all the media being torched to make a short term profit lately?
I work in a restaurant. Guy comes in, SS, double lightning bolt tattoo on his wrist, in full, plain view. Refused to serve him, he left, angry. I only wish I could have done more to make him angrier.
I just love how bad guys like Magneto and Dr doom have standards when it comes to the complete monster Red Skull. Magneto being a holocaust survivor and Doom being a Romani (no doubt had family or family friends that were targeted).
The way I imagine that is at the middle of a sentence, Red Skull peeks in, wanting to ask where the toilet is, before every villain in the room planning the nuking just rush Red Skull to beat him up
@@oxcare5 yeah basically there's a villain potluck and he was either in line next to doom or magneto but red skull said something and everyone was like dude magneto is right there wtf
This makes me remember when the Black Widow movie came out people where angry and pissy about the Russians/Russian government being portrayed as the badguys and its somewhat outdated...within less then a year you know what invasion happened and those types of comments silently stopped lol
@@blackpowderkun That's what we *wanted* you to think!!!! Edit: (I do not live in Russia. I am not Russian. I have never been to Russia. This is just a Simpsons reference.)
The situation in the comics was a storyline called Acts of Vengeance where Kingpin Loki Red Skull and Magneto hatched a plan to switch enemies hoping that will work. As to why Magneto was going along with it was 2 fold. 1 he thought the new powers Spiderman was developing (long story) was a mutant gene developing and 2 so he'd have a shot to kill Red Skull. Which he did, by kidnapping him when they were alone, flying him to a hidden abandoned concentration camp and buried him alive in a bunker with 1 yrs worth of water 3 weeks worth of dog food 1 light bulb and 1 yrs worth of air and locked him in.....good times
@@noti7510 unfortunately, some guys that work for him found out where he was being held and rescued him. Recently he stole Professor Xavier's brain and tried to take over the world with psychic powers......so there's that
The Joker saying "i'm an American psycho" is reminiscent of Paul Sorvino's character in The Rocketeer; "I may not make a honest buck, but I’m 100 percent American."
The fact that people now adays are scared to dunk on Nazis, reminds me we are failing as a species. Why do you need a reason to dunk ON NAZIS?! Also lots of love to N'jaila
I want too see a live action of kingpin beating the living shit of of redskull and his men barehanded or at least magneto killing him with a car or with a dime or something.
@@saagabragi6938Yeah… doesn’t help either that, in the last decade, Marvel have tried to decouple Hydra from the third Reich. That’s probably why I’m not a fan of the MCU version of Zemo and wish that he turned out to be lying and has been reluctant allies with Fenris.
@@noti7510it always will. As long as people have free will, there will be at least one person who thinks themselves above the rest. But denying people free will is exactly what that one person might want to do. Strange, isn’t it?
@@alpacawizardman6778Racism isn't hubris. Hubris will always exist, racism can end. Racism is when you think you're better than someone because of your race.
As not only an American, but a Cajun American ( if you don’t know look it up) I have punched a racist in the face and I can confirm… it’s a much better experience than punching Anyone else. Like it’s almost orgasmic
just wanna say that i really appreciate the care karl's taken with the audio, muting his track when N'jaila's speaking. makes it a lot easier to watch!
Hitler turning into an off-colour Klansman makes no sense to me. For decades time the Klan and the American Nazi party were at odds with each other, because the former saw the latter as "foreign". Completely different to how it is today.. The Hate-Monger character appeared in 1963, but it would not be until the Greensboro Massacre sixteen years later, in 1979, that the two groups would become allies.
Didn't Magneto once imprison Red Skull in an underground oubliette with just enough air to let him live long enough to maaaaaaybe regret some of his actions?
My problem with She-Hulk isn't her characterisation. It's just that I'm not a fan of the writing style of wave four. (As well as the comics' writing in general.) It's just not my cup of tea. I don't like putting down other characters to build up another when you can just y'know, have more than one strong character.
@@tommarsdon5644 It isn't. Here's the full context: They brought up She-Hulk twerking which segmented into them talking about the critics of the show and making it really hard to not like things. What specifically prompted me was her saying “Yeah, like, even if I have, like, criticisms for the Marvel universe,” (22:29) which segwayed into some other stuff that isn't that important for what I'm talking about. It simply brought to mind the thought of “Why do I specifically not like She-Hulk?” The answer to that question was that writers actively mischaracterise or misrepresent other characters to make them worse so that someone else seems better by comparison. This isn't just a problem with She-Hulk. As I mentioned, this is also a problem in the comics. TL;DR: Twerking brought up the topic but isn't what I, nor Fact Fiend, am really talking about. Hope that clears up the misunderstanding. Have a nice day.
I remember going back to a girls flat a few years ago, she had pictures of Nazis all over her table and even had an SS Coat complete with swastika on a mannequin in the corner.... I was very, very relieved to find out she was a costume maker for the local theatre 😂
lol, there's a guy who does history videos where he dresses up as various historical figures, he keeps a nazi officer uniform locked in a box somewhere with just for my videos written on the side lol
I do pest control, and I had a house which had a few too many books and movies with swastikas on them for my comfort. I didn't ask questions just hoped they were a ww2 person... but it's just and old lady.
Perfect casting in hugo weaving and so much potenial to be hated by every single villain on screen. I would have loved to see red skull again in a movie because its so easy to hate on him
MCU Red Skull isn’t a NAZI though. He was only using the Nazi’s for their resources. In Captain America: The First Avenger, we see Red Skull kill a couple of Nazis and then announce Hydra’s independence/split from the Nazi party. He was even going to target Berlin as one of his attacks.
The comic they showed isn't even the only time Joker stated he hates Nazis. Injustice Joker also said that after killing some JSA members (most notably Jay Garrick) and kidnapping some guy to find some artifact for his plan to make Superman go crazy
There were a couple of kids back in my school years that used Nazi as a slur for people with blue eyes and blond hair. It's the worse thing I have ever been called. Especially since my grandparents grew up in the hunger winter under the Nazi occupation.
The way I had it explained to me was, the term "stay woke" was something POC said to each other as a way of reminding each other that any interaction with white people, but especially cops, carries with it the possibility of you ending up a victim of racial/police violence.
This channel is one of the very few that wears its integrity on its sleeve. The fact that the channel has been struggling, because it provides a fair wage and won't take bullshit sponsorships saddens me. Karl, you and your team/friends are absolut treasures. Also, fuck nazis
If I recall at least one "team-up" between Magneto & Red Skull ended with the skull nearly tortured to death by Magneto & in a DC crossover *the Joker* refused to work with him once he found out he's a nazi.
when I was wee I had a lego red skull minifigure and I thought he looked so cool I always tried to fit him into any game I was playing in my head. now I'm older I realise that constantly playing with a nazi character seems a little weird
I still remember the one where he tried to talk smack to Magneto. Dude, you guys aren't even in the same time zone of power. Your mouth is writing a check your fists aren't going to be able to cash.
Best moment in comic history is the Joker from freaking DC getting mad that he's a Nazi "I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an American criminal lunatic!"
The original time Red Skull got transferred into a clone, he didn’t have the red skull face. Instead he got that from an attempt at murdering Captain America with his chemical weapon that causes the look. Later on it is also revealed that he may be able to transfer his mind into clone bodies, but he has to really die for that and it isn’t a pleasant feeling. May explain why a guy specialized on masks since his earliest days doesn’t switch over for a new body just for the looks.
I remember one case where someone posted something along the lines of "f*ck w*ite s*premacy" (censored so it doesn't get buried). Someone else responded "this is discrimination against Christians". Really curious the connection they made.
@@ludovicusbathory1715 Yeah bet you never realised a religion where the literal messiah is some middle eastern Jewish guy who preached tolerance is actually all about white supremacy. It's obvious once you think about it - if your parents dropped you on the head a few hundred too many times as a baby.
@@Neion8 Those people believe Jesus and everybody important in the bible except Judas was a white guy. Religious art makes them all white and often even blonde.
@@saagabragi6938 True, although race-swapped Jesus is hardly specific to Europe/'white' people - hell, China even had the second deadliest war in human history over some guy claiming to be Jesus' brother (born 1800 years too late). It's ironic that in the pursuit to be more like their messiah, many end up making their messiah to be more like them. It would be funny to put all the various christian race supremacist groups into a room and letting them talk (shout) it out.
@@saagabragi6938That even wasn't because the Renessance and Medieval Artists are all Bigoted, its Just Christians depicting Jesus as "One of Us" there is Asian Jesus, White Jesus, Black Jesus ect, Jesus and the Bible Characters are depicted as any number of Ethnicities because People wanted to see them as "One of Us".
I have a story in mind where it’s just basically this god-like magician and another character who’s kinda like John Constantine hunt down a platoon of nazis who time traveled to the future and convinced a bunch of neo-nazis to work with them and at the end after the whole confrontation, it’s just the John Constantine type dude resurrecting and killing the nazis saying “if it’s morally wrong to revive nazis to kill them again the world’s gone loony.” To the godlike magician guy.
I think that image of Red Skull going off was from the Acts of Vengeance storyline and in Captain America 367 Magneto caught up with the Skull to.....talk.
Regarding the "woke": It reminds me of an apologist that tried to excuse something extremely immoral. And the host just kept asking him: "Explain X." each time he tried to pivot. And similar to those that can't explain what is "woke". He could not explain a single situation in which that immoral act would be okay. And he just broke down and started screaming and cursing at the host, calling them heathens and all that shiz.
@@Kattlarv fuck even fundamentalist at least promote some level of consent It’s usually terrible advice as they consider marriage as an accept all but children are usually off the table
The minute that someone says "woke" or worse, "SJW" I immediately stop talking to them now because I know that they have nothing worthwhile to say. These are the same people that fail to realize that superhero comic books have been about social justice from the very first one, Action Comics #1in1938. And you would hope that anyone in charge of any situation is "woke". It means they are paying attention. It means they care. It means that they are smart enough to learn something about what they are doing instead of going blindly through life in a state of ignorance.
And that's also the minute you know they've taken a side, and as Carl said "you're one of them" to those people, and more likely than not they just want to blow hot air and make themselves feel superior than actually have an intelligent conversation and let you change their opinion. The sad thing is there are people on both ends of the spectrum who have decided there are sides and they need to "win" against the other, usually by throwing childish insults like "man baby" or "whamen". Their screaming makes it really hard to hear the grown ups in the middle who actually want to discuss and learn and grow.
@@Revan_7even The sad truth is that so few of them are superior in any way because, as Carl's girlfriend so wisely stated, they can't say anything beyond the buzzwords. After the four-plus years of hell that we all lived through, I became very good a debating people who would actually engage in a real conversation. But more often than not, it devolved into them name-calling and making personal attacks when they saw they had no facts to stand on.
@@Revan_7even Except the people in the middle often are the reason things have gotten worse. Sometimes there isn't actually a middle ground, you need to just say "No, fuck you." Even being a centrist is often about vomiting buzzwords and irrationally trying to find a middle ground.
The Red Skull has a point about Magneto, or at least a partial point: while Magneto's motivations are laudable, he has been willing to kill indiscriminately, depending on who's doing the writing. That's the thing that's made Magneto interesting for the past 50 years or so: he uses the wrong methods but is otherwise someone we can get behind. Now the reason Magneto lets the Red Skull plead his case is because he's literally letting him plead his case: Magneto has decided to pursue justice on the Red Skull. First he got the Red Skull to acknowledge that he was the actual original WWII Red Skull and not an imitator, and then presented charges. And that's when the Red Skull said what he said. Magneto was actually trying to be fair, which again is the side of Magneto that readers can respect.
Magneto was sent to a concentration camp at a young age and was deeply scared. Mutant kind is constantly hunted down, and all magneto wants to do is to stop it. Even if he has to kill the hunters, it is nothing like the Nazis
@@omegaprime9794 And in the hands of some writers, he'll also kill ordinary non-mutants who pose no particular threat to him. So before we go down that road where every villain is justified, while Magneto's concerns are justified, some of his actions are NOT.
@kingbeauregard I'm not saying he's justified, I'm just saying he not a short Austrian man who got rejected from art school and decided to make it everyone else's problem
@@omegaprime9794 and that doesn't mean that skull doesn't have a point. In the continuities where he wants to kill most or all humans to establish mutant supremacy, he basically has the same ideals of ubermensch rule as the nazis. Just a disagreement on what makes an ubermensch an ubermensch.
Can we just appreciate Karl being an unproblematic king, like this channel really is a breath of fresh air from all the toxic crap on youtube right now
When jojo rabbit came out people criticized it for its portrayal of Nazis. Like they saw it as making jokes about what is the worst thing to ever happen in human history. But the thing is that I say make fun of Nazis all you want. They wanted to be feared, so don’t let him get what they want make jokes about them, bully them, do all that. If they didn’t want to be made fun they should’ve won the war they started. They took the L now they get made fun of for the rest of history.
Thank you for the part at the end. As a writer, it annoys me how people throw "woke" around and that often the "anti-woke" people try to lump me into their crap. I became a writer because I felt an increasing trend in things I didn't like in media and I wanted to figure out why I didn't like it, what it is, and be able to explain it so even if I couldn't make something better myself, I could inform someone on how to do better. I dislike how "woke" or "representation" has become new buzzword because it is a small and simple word trying to describe many complex characteristics of modern writing, for good and bad. Usually when someone calls a movie/show/whatever "woke" they don't know what they are talking about. For example the new Prey movie, a bunch of people tried to say it was woke to get people to boycott it. Woke in this modern context is something that is, or has aspects, of a politically progressive view trying to purposefully make a point of improvement in society. Using that, no, it really wasn't. It was about a girl, whose tribe (mainly men) told her she can't hunt, and proves them wrong in the ultimate test. There might be a point, but it isn't purposeful. They never said she couldn't hunt BECAUSE she was a girl, but it could be argued they implied that it is. That is not purposeful either way. The roots of this stuff does stem from good. Writers want to shine a light on bad topic. However, it feels like the production studios and corporations always stick their hands into it and force the writers to write in characters and dialogue that fits into a strict stereotype and it makes the writers look lazy and it makes the cause they are trying to showcase demeaning towards itself. Modern sexism (and similar derogatory subjects) is subtle and deeply ingrained into the few left who follow it. But often in modern writing there will be a scene where a male character will say straight to a female character "you belong in a kitchen" or something similar. To me that invalidates their whole point because they boiled their argument into an out of date stereotype. It only gets an eyeroll out of the audience and makes the writer look out of touch with the subject. Similarly, I can't take the Bechdel test seriously because it devolves the interactions between female characters into a checklist instead of anything of actual quality. It is better to write something, then maybe reference the Bechdel test afterward, instead of going into a project following the Bechdel test to the letter, which is what most media feels like now. I shouldn't feel like I'm playing "corporate trope bingo" when I indulge in media. That is what made me so annoyed. After some time breaking alot of this down I thought "wait, I heard this before" because so much modern media reuse the same stereotypes and tropes to push important topics. I don't want to play bingo in my head with these modern writing patterns and I don't want to go over a checklist when I write. Its why Wolfenstein the New Order had a few political points I disagreed with, but told them so well it should be praised for its writing (also awesome gameplay) where its sequel The New Colossus had more political points I agreed with, but told them so poorly that I couldn't enjoy it no matter how much better the gameplay was. Sorry for leaving this rant. I doubt anyone will read it, but I ended up hyper-fixated on trying to explain what went through my head on this topic.
@@bobbysworld281995 What I'm starting to see now is "Make your own" and then some person does make their own but its an extreme over-correction and over-reaction to the point of looping back around and not being any better than what originally set them off onto it.
Modern sexism in the "few" left who follow it? I hope you're aware that sexism is still sexism when a woman does it, and we're currently experiencing a massive wave of that.
Bechdel test was never intended as a valid quantifier of quality. It was invented to demonstrate how badly media was failing women when there was just one woman per story or they only talked about the male characters.
@@saagabragi6938 You're right in that it isn't intended to. But intentions or not, that is how it is treated now, and that is literally how it is taught on a college level (or at least where I went to college, now I'm in Grad School and the other creative writing grad students and I are frustrated over a whole other can of worms.)
Something i hate about the internet is it's so hard to actually dislike things now, because there's a good chance nazi's and shit are going to do the same and now you have to defend it. Like the new little mermaid, lazy live action reboot nobody wanted, easy to dislike, but no cuz now half the folk that are agreeing do so cuz the actor is black instead. Like ffs, bigots online consistently miss the point so much that it can't be overstated.
Have you guys ever thought about doing a fact fiend podcast where ye get guests on and discuss facts and topics and general banter I'd think it would be brilliant
Thanos: I might've killed an unknowable number of people just to try to get in the pants of someone who already rejected me but that... *looks at red skull* That's a degree of evil even I look down on.
Me, not reading the notes: His guest's voice sounds damned familiar. Guest: "I'm 'Blasian'..." Me: Holy shit, is that N'jalia Rhee?!? (Checks notes, confirms) W00T!!!!
The idea of anyone getting upset over the Wolfenstien ad campaign is just so funny to me. 'They mocked nazis and you got offended by that, what do you think that say about you?'
Jordan Peterson has never looked better than he does whenever he menaces Captain America "Screw you woke moralist, we'll see who cancels who" - Red Skull, usually right before getting "cancelled"
@@HegoDamaskll Calling Red Skull Jordan Peterson or vice versa is sort of a meme. Some time ago Jordan Peterson got really mad because he thought Red Skull's ideology/methology in a comic sounded like his, and thought it was actually about him. Maybe that says somethign about you, Jordan, when you look at a nazi supervillain and think "That me".
As a reminder for anyone who needs it.
With rare exceptions, all media is political. If you don’t think so, it either agrees with your politics or you’re too stupid to realise what it’s trying to say.
Media literacy is not only critically important for navigating through and interacting with the world, but makes discussing media more fun when you’re able to enjoy, appreciate and critique media on anything more than a superficial level.
- Karl
I wouldn't say you have to agree or be to stupid. Complacent, not critical, or simply consuming media from another culture can make it hard to pick up on political nuances. Like I don't assume if I watched say a Chinese movie that I could pick out what political stances it took or ignored vs say American media which comes from a culture I am much more in touch with.
@@malcire I think the point is more that the majority of media is political and that trying to argue otherwise, or just denying that is the case, is the problem. If you acknowledge that media is, by-and-large, political, you've already shown more media literacy than a lot of (at least the vocal minority of) people, which puts you on the right track to growing that literacy.
Hollywood has a history of exploiting african american people that being the actors, the support of black community for the said actors and culture for profit.
In the past few were written well ,some token black men, It stopped for a few year with actual well rounded characters who just happened to be black but in the recent years its just mostly rich white men writing empty shout hey look at me I'm black and if you don't act like me you not actually black.
Telling people to judge you by you skin colour people by their skin colour is the first part of racism. I was taught and check for myself that the leaders of the civil rights movement fought for equality for us not be referred to as black people but people. American has been being hiring actors recently not for the acting ability but their skin color to have them play some twist racist view on black people."If you hate the white man and you're a black man you're not black! be aggressive, be loud, be gangster, do drugs ,sleep around and don't responsibilities DEMAND TO BRINK BACK SEGREGATION'.
"YOU ARE WHAT WE TELL YOU REBEL, PROVE THE SUMPREMISIST RIGHT THAT YOU'RE VIOLENT STUPID PEOPLE ONLY GOOD FOR PROFIT"
Yeah, can't remember who said it but there's a quote that goes something like "Any Art worth a damn has something to say about the world we live in."
I'm mad about it. Can I get a cape to be super mad.
Marvel writer Mark Gruenwald did think it was absurd that Magneto tolerated Red Skull (he didn't write that scene), so a few months later he wrote a Captain America story where Magneto explains the reason why he didn't immediately kill Red Skull was that he wasn't sure that was the real one (he was presumed dead at the time), then as soon as he has confirmation he locks Red Skull into a bunker without any food and leaves him there to starve to death. Obviously Red Skull made it out alive because it's comics, but that was about 30 years ago and I don't think he's met Magneto again.
I assume he got the message and has been carefully avoiding Magneto ever since. 🤣
the most recent time red skull and magneto met magneto beat the skull to death with his bare hands for posssesing the corpse of charles xavier
@Shelby Chase As well, he should have.
They had met again when red skull stole professor X’s psychic powers, magneto’s powers where severely weakened at the time so he just beat the fuck out of him with his bare fists
@@tannerbruning868 what storyline was this?
There's a rather cool Wolverine solo comic from the 80's or 90's in which he goes up against a Nazi cyborg.
Wolverine wins, but the cyborg gets away and has diplomatic immunity or some such bullshit.
Wolverine then says "Don't worry... I'll call a friend"
Cut to some time later and the cyborg is in an airport when a small toy robot bumps into his foot. He bends to pick it up and as he stands up he finds standing before him, wearing a black overcoat and hat (much like his first appearance in the X-Men film) and smiling broadly is Magneto.
The colour drains from the cyborg's face and Magneto politely leads him off panel saying "We have much to discuss"
The next panels are close ups of the toy robot, first rising slightly, then being dismantled bolt by bolt by an unseen force. The End.
Absolutely genius.
That sounds badass
Just, damn
Gotta love the idea of Wolverine just calling up Magneto.
That's brilliant, I love that Wolverine is just like "Hmm... this Nazi's going to escape... too bad I can't straight-up violate international law like that........ But you know who wouldn't care about doing something like that...? Might as well give Magneto a call, I'm sure he'll have some 'opinions' about this."
@@dethhollow truly smart on his part
That panel of Joker hating Red Skull is so great, just, dude hates Nazis more than he hates the society he's been opposed to all this time, and dude's totally not all good, but that's just really satisfying.
That's because the Joker has Standards. He's a Professional Lunatic. You don't go teaming up with trash fascists.
Leading to rumors that the Joker ,as a tribute to Batman's creators might be Jewish
@@jamesricker3997 Why would you think that it necessitates a character be Jewish to hate a nazi? They did a lot of bad to a lot of people, over nothing more than circumstances of birth in most cases.
@@jamesricker3997 not even that... even santa hates nazis
Even evil has standards.
OK so a cannon thing I love is that The Thing every year sends moon Knight a Hanukkah card cuz he doesnt have alot of superpowered jewish friends and I am now head cannoning that he does the same for magneto
This I like, is spidey included too?
I really like this I love moon night I just imagine now that Moon Knight has a standing invitation to the things poker game every week
@@bobbysworld281995 I mean how can he practise it? he doesnt even have time for his own girlfriend/fiancee/wife and he tries all he can to spend it with her.
I’m pretty sure magneto is Romani and not Jewish
@@uncletrash8770 apparently he is a Jewish Romani mix which is interesting
I think with how hated the red skull is; is both a testament to how much Nazis are the largest stain on humanity to this day as well how much marvel wanted to make a villain so hated hes an icon of how not to be evil.
nazis arent the biggest stain on humanity
they arent even the worst of their own era, they are right behind the soviets and the japanese
@@chrisR-B "Hitler wasn't that bad, guys! Guys! Have you heard about this other bad guy? Dude, I'm telling you he was like a jillion times worse!" -this you?
Can't you all agree that all three of those guys, plus Mao Zedong, were terrible. Why have a dick measuring contest about it?
@@acloserlook5823 stalin is also absurdly evil but saying anything other than "hitler is the worst" makes you sound like you like hitler. personally i put them on the same level as infinity and infinity +1 have the same value.
@@acloserlook5823 distracting from the evils of Hitler has enabled a resurgence in Nazi ideology, if you haven't noticed.
Magneto: I thought I told you guys not to invite Red Skull.
Dr. Doom: We didn’t he must have followed one of us.
Dr. Doom: “Just ignore him and he’ll go away.”
Magneto: “Okay but you owe me big time.”
Dr. Doom: “Fine I’ll cast the spell that’ll make Xavier sound like Micky Mouse every time he tries to use his Telepathy.”
the whole wolfenstein thing reminds me of how people thought doom was a satanic game when all you do in the game is kill demon and the only trait that the characters that you play as has is that he really really hates demons
I mean that’s kind of an underselling of modern doom, there’s an actual story there that’s a little deeper than “I just really fucking hate demons”
@@kirby0666 i mean i never said it didnt have a story. just that the MC of the game motive to do what he does comes from him really hateing demon. ya its stems from his rabbit being killed by a demon but that still one of the only traits he has at least for personality and all he does is kill demons/devils and before you bring up enternal it has been stated that all demons/devils where once angels that went corrupt. and yes you can also find collectable in the game. so technaicaly i was wrong about the all you do part technaicaly.
@@kirby0666 Yeah there's a lot to Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal going on *around* Doomguy/Doom Slayer, but his whole thing is still "man do I fucking HATE demons." People talk at him about their grandiose plans and the entire time he just wants to get back to killing demons and saving mortals who AREN'T siding with demons.
@@matthewgagnon9426 doom guy is more fun being just Some Guy who REALLY fuckin hates demons, this lone crazed lunatic so good at ripping and tearing gods and demons just kinda have to fuckin deal with his shit forever now
Actually demons are soulless humans who survived the near unending tortures of hell or the argent factory not angels
In fact the makyrs are supplying the demons worlds to convert
I think the only reason Magneto doesn't just un-exist Red Skull is because he knows the Skull doesn't deserve a quick death. That's why he tortured him in isolation instead
Even Doctor Doom hates Red Skull, since the Romani were also targeted by the Nazis
Latveria
One time he did try to help resurrect him in the body of Captain America but he made it extremely clear that he only did it because he valued his word and if he didn’t give his word then Red Skull would be dead completely.
@@milesjohnson1352 Yes, that is his country. However, Dr. Doom is also Romani, the Romani are a group of people, mostly from eastern Europe
Doom and Wanda (both romani) teaming up to beat Red Skull and then Magneto joining in would be amazing.
Doom asking Mephisto if he can trade his mom's soul for Red Skull.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 Mephistopheles wouldn't even accept him. Even Evil Has Standards.
I kinda wish that "I don't like Nazis" deserves to become a standard greeting, like "I hate Nazis, John!" "Good morning to you, too, Dave!"
That would be hilarious and beautiful
I also don't like Spider Eggs in my eye, but bringing the topic up in the morninig is still disgusting💁♂️
“I hate Nazis, how’s the wife?”
@@michael.471 "fuck em w a chainsaw. Shes good, how's cindy?"
Unfortunately there are probably Nazis out there who would be offended even if the don't call themselves Nazis.
There are always going to be people out there who want to keep emulating the past rather than using it as a springboard off of which to move forward.
I was permabanned from Reddit for saying "I am okay with people punching Nazis". Apparently that counts as hate speech now.
On one of the videos on the First Class bar scene on TH-cam; someone mentions that they'd absolutely watch a full length action movie of a younger Magneto just going around the world, hunting down and killing Nazis. I'd also watch that.
The only reason I could see Magneto and Red Skull teaming up is for Magneto to get a full list of remaining nazis.
That would've been a great magneto origins movie, just avenging Magneto, who no one has any real motivation to stop. Shield is observing/tracking him, but always somehow always arrives late with coffee they stopped for.
Nazi hunter Magneto movie when?
Honestly the idea of the Avengers fighting Red skull and struggling only for Magneto to just fly in and turn the guy to paste would totally be something I'd want to see
Afterward: "why'd you help us?"
"I dislike you...*sniff, and raised eyebrow*
I hate them."
Cap:.......thank you magneto!
Magneto: your welcome haha
@@COOLERthenUwhat's interesting is cap, and his team were the one's who rescued magneto in one of the concentration camps when magneto was a kid.
@@ashwolf2006 exactly. Magneto would finally get to repay Steve's kindness
@@blackc1479
He did?
Dr Doom was probably giving Red Skull the same face as Magneto, you just couldn’t tell because of the mask. Remember, Doom is of Romani descent so would also have been sent to the camps if he was around at that time (and actually, giving the artwork looks like it’s from a comic published in the 60s, at the time of publication, Doom probably would’ve been old enough to have lived through the Holocaust, so even if he hadn’t been sent to and survived the camps himself like Magneto had been, he probably lived in fear of them as Latvaria is likely located within the area the Nazis occupied during WWII). Maybe that explains why Magneto didn’t instantly butcher Red Skull - he was playing rock, paper, scissors with Doom behind Red Skull’s back to see which one got the privilege of doing him in.
‘I just don’t like it’ is a perfectly valid reason not to like something, the thing is though, if that genuinely is your feelings about something, you probably don’t have an extreme reaction to it, you’d just be indifferent and move on; you wouldn’t vehemently rag on in and complain non-stop about it.
I once read an old school comic aboout Doom's origins were as a young boy his people were attacked by Nazis, Doom being a scientific genius even at that age invented a chemical solution that he sprayed on the horse drawn wagons his people were fleeing in making them invunerable to explosive artillary shells.
Classic comicbook science was wild.
I can see that interaction just play out, just two of the strongest evil minds making bets on who gets to torture Red Skull on certain days like a separated sadist couple discussing the 'family pet'.
Magneto: "So you can have him for mondays, wednesdays, and fridays, while I can get him on tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays"
Doom: "I'm running a government, I can't torture him on weekdays!"
Magneto: "Well so am I!"
Doom: "Please, Erik, we both know you delegate your responsibilities to your cabinet"
And I can just imagine they have an agreement where Doom gets to publically humiliate Red Skull on Latverian Independence day, while Magneto gets to twist the iron from his bones on Holocaust Rememberance day, and for Hitler's Birthday, they let him try to escape and hide in the wilderness
There was actually a bit in the comics where Doom had to interact with Red Skull, and he said something to the extent of (and I'm paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact quotes) "I have seen your peoples' final solution. You tried to end myself and my people in your camps. I lost people because of you. After that day I swore to never tolerate your kind ever again." (And I don't remember exactly what Doom did after the quote but it was basically a little "fuck you"-action that left Red Skull without his nazi buddies and surrounded by a bunch of very angry people who weren't too fond of nazi's either.)
Well you might start raging if people insist on giving it another go over and over but yeah
@@jmurray1110 No? But I'm an adult with a healthy attitude towards media, so. Like you want to get mad about something, how about raging about all the media being torched to make a short term profit lately?
"I don't want racists to watch my videos" -Karl
I approve.
I work in a restaurant.
Guy comes in, SS, double lightning bolt tattoo on his wrist, in full, plain view.
Refused to serve him, he left, angry. I only wish I could have done more to make him angrier.
I just love how bad guys like Magneto and Dr doom have standards when it comes to the complete monster Red Skull. Magneto being a holocaust survivor and Doom being a Romani (no doubt had family or family friends that were targeted).
i like that villains will literally plan to nuke countries but as soon as red skull walks in they're like shit I'm evil but i ain't no racist
The way I imagine that is at the middle of a sentence, Red Skull peeks in, wanting to ask where the toilet is, before every villain in the room planning the nuking just rush Red Skull to beat him up
@@oxcare5 yeah basically there's a villain potluck and he was either in line next to doom or magneto but red skull said something and everyone was like dude magneto is right there wtf
Watching magneto beat red skull constantly and painfully is great.
The coin trick wasn't used on Red Skull in the films, but I still think of that to this day.
The Joker vs Red Skull example is so iconic that the TV Tropes page for Even Evil has Standards uses it.
This makes me remember when the Black Widow movie came out people where angry and pissy about the Russians/Russian government being portrayed as the badguys and its somewhat outdated...within less then a year you know what invasion happened and those types of comments silently stopped lol
Even though they just annexed Crimea 7 years prior.
Aren't the villains of the film a Rogue USSR secret branch. Technically from a country that doesn't exist today.
@@blackpowderkun
That's what we *wanted* you to think!!!!
Edit: (I do not live in Russia. I am not Russian. I have never been to Russia. This is just a Simpsons reference.)
The situation in the comics was a storyline called Acts of Vengeance where Kingpin Loki Red Skull and Magneto hatched a plan to switch enemies hoping that will work. As to why Magneto was going along with it was 2 fold. 1 he thought the new powers Spiderman was developing (long story) was a mutant gene developing and 2 so he'd have a shot to kill Red Skull. Which he did, by kidnapping him when they were alone, flying him to a hidden abandoned concentration camp and buried him alive in a bunker with 1 yrs worth of water 3 weeks worth of dog food 1 light bulb and 1 yrs worth of air and locked him in.....good times
what if magneto remembered six months later and just magnepathically broke his light bulb
@@noti7510 unfortunately, some guys that work for him found out where he was being held and rescued him. Recently he stole Professor Xavier's brain and tried to take over the world with psychic powers......so there's that
“Also, I believe our forces were being quite literally slaughtered”
“Ah, who gives a shit - they’re nazis!”
Hellsing Ultimate Abridged
I miss when "Nazis are bad" wasn't a controversial statement
Never once did I read a captain America comic book and think, y'know Red Skull has a point.
No. He's a villain. That's it.
Did he ever get stabbed with a spear? Because then he would have a point.
Good job
Something that makes Kingpin's hatred for Hydra better is when you take into account that they mind controlled his son, Richard Fisk AKA The Rose.
Honestly I think all Marvel heroes should have an agreement that you can kill Red Skull and not lose your hero status.
Or just always send the anti heros in when red skulls doin bullshit
Like let's see how punisher qnd ghist rider do about skull
Even Spider-Man would kill Red Skull.
I met a veteran who was a tanker in ww2. He relished the the story he told me of the time he rode across France killing Nazis.
The Joker saying "i'm an American psycho" is reminiscent of Paul Sorvino's character in The Rocketeer; "I may not make a honest buck, but I’m 100 percent American."
I freakin love that movie
It might be where The Rocketeer got that idea. I think there's like a 3 year difference between the releases.
The fact that people now adays are scared to dunk on Nazis, reminds me we are failing as a species. Why do you need a reason to dunk ON NAZIS?! Also lots of love to N'jaila
That was the scientist that were given an Ultimatum that made the change for the betterment of humanity.
They aren't, dumb idiots just make these claims then cry
@@bobbysworld281995 Innocent? They hit the Americans first, f'k them.
Who tf is afraid to dunk on Nazis
@@Muir97 nazi sympathizers.
You know who gets upset about Nazis being cast as the villains who deserve to die? Nazis. That's it.
"All you care about is reality and not how I feel" is a statement I think about often when it comes to those types of people
That face at 6:12 looks like he’s going through a whole “you come into my house” monologue in his head
I want too see a live action of kingpin beating the living shit of of redskull and his men barehanded or at least magneto killing him with a car or with a dime or something.
I would say a pebble is all a nazi is worth, but pebbles are legitimate, all a nazi or fascist is worth is lead and fire.
Magneto bludgeoning red skull to death with a barrel of zyclone B sounds like fun for the whole family.
Reading my mind, man
@@Neion8
Marvel, please
The phrase ‘let’s not make it political’ when talking about nazi’s baffles me because fascism should have no place in morden day politics
Or when people use that phrase to complain about women and minorities existing and not being hidden in the cupboard
Unfortunately, ideas are almost impossible to kill. And fascism has now become one of those long term problems.
Also Doom is Romani so he also isn't Red Skull biggest fan for obvious reason
Except in the Superhero Squad cartoon for some insane reason.
@@saagabragi6938Yeah… doesn’t help either that, in the last decade, Marvel have tried to decouple Hydra from the third Reich.
That’s probably why I’m not a fan of the MCU version of Zemo and wish that he turned out to be lying and has been reluctant allies with Fenris.
The people upset about Wolfenstein are the same people who wonder when Star Trek got so political
This. As a trek fan I've seen so many conservatives get upset about how modern star trek is "ruined by woke culture". Like that makes any sense at all
people think discrimination against race, gender, or sexuality is going to exist in the future?
@@noti7510it always will. As long as people have free will, there will be at least one person who thinks themselves above the rest. But denying people free will is exactly what that one person might want to do. Strange, isn’t it?
@@alpacawizardman6778Racism isn't hubris. Hubris will always exist, racism can end. Racism is when you think you're better than someone because of your race.
The best interaction was when magneto locked red skull in a dark hole and told him he could leave when he learned to fly
If he didn’t already he should have warped the walls to be perfectly smooth and 0 grip ability just in case
As not only an American, but a Cajun American ( if you don’t know look it up) I have punched a racist in the face and I can confirm… it’s a much better experience than punching Anyone else. Like it’s almost orgasmic
just wanna say that i really appreciate the care karl's taken with the audio, muting his track when N'jaila's speaking. makes it a lot easier to watch!
There are 2 key people who it is always good to make the villains and be shown to be beaten the shit out of
Nazis and people who defended nazis.
People are quick to forget Kingpin is all muscle, not fat.
"You'll die pure. No magnetism. Only fists." Magneto the goat.
Ah yes, the most powerful weapon...Racism Beam
AKA "Fox News"
Hitler turning into an off-colour Klansman makes no sense to me. For decades time the Klan and the American Nazi party were at odds with each other, because the former saw the latter as "foreign". Completely different to how it is today..
The Hate-Monger character appeared in 1963, but it would not be until the Greensboro Massacre sixteen years later, in 1979, that the two groups would become allies.
@@MahsaKaerra why the random rant? Interesting info tho
@@darkbass50
Somebody said it
Didn't Magneto once imprison Red Skull in an underground oubliette with just enough air to let him live long enough to maaaaaaybe regret some of his actions?
It was right after the encounter on the video (both sets of panels were from the same story)
My problem with She-Hulk isn't her characterisation. It's just that I'm not a fan of the writing style of wave four. (As well as the comics' writing in general.) It's just not my cup of tea. I don't like putting down other characters to build up another when you can just y'know, have more than one strong character.
(This is about the whole She-Hulk twerking thing mentioned towards the end.)
@@RobinRhombus2how does She-Hulk twerking put down other characters?
@@tommarsdon5644 It isn't. Here's the full context: They brought up She-Hulk twerking which segmented into them talking about the critics of the show and making it really hard to not like things. What specifically prompted me was her saying “Yeah, like, even if I have, like, criticisms for the Marvel universe,” (22:29) which segwayed into some other stuff that isn't that important for what I'm talking about. It simply brought to mind the thought of “Why do I specifically not like She-Hulk?” The answer to that question was that writers actively mischaracterise or misrepresent other characters to make them worse so that someone else seems better by comparison. This isn't just a problem with She-Hulk. As I mentioned, this is also a problem in the comics.
TL;DR: Twerking brought up the topic but isn't what I, nor Fact Fiend, am really talking about.
Hope that clears up the misunderstanding. Have a nice day.
If 9 people are in the room with 1 Nazi and don't leave or kick his ass, you just have 10 Nazis.
I remember going back to a girls flat a few years ago, she had pictures of Nazis all over her table and even had an SS Coat complete with swastika on a mannequin in the corner.... I was very, very relieved to find out she was a costume maker for the local theatre 😂
lol, there's a guy who does history videos where he dresses up as various historical figures, he keeps a nazi officer uniform locked in a box somewhere with just for my videos written on the side lol
I do pest control, and I had a house which had a few too many books and movies with swastikas on them for my comfort. I didn't ask questions just hoped they were a ww2 person... but it's just and old lady.
I remember reading something like this somewhere at some point before
Perfect casting in hugo weaving and so much potenial to be hated by every single villain on screen. I would have loved to see red skull again in a movie because its so easy to hate on him
MCU Red Skull isn’t a NAZI though.
He was only using the Nazi’s for their resources. In Captain America: The First Avenger, we see Red Skull kill a couple of Nazis and then announce Hydra’s independence/split from the Nazi party. He was even going to target Berlin as one of his attacks.
@@ChiselledK1990
Becuse Marvel today is more concerned with marketability and doesn't want to piss off rightwingers
I am absolutely loving these unfiltered, unedited and longer videos with Carl just saying whatever the hell he wants. Lol
The comic they showed isn't even the only time Joker stated he hates Nazis. Injustice Joker also said that after killing some JSA members (most notably Jay Garrick) and kidnapping some guy to find some artifact for his plan to make Superman go crazy
There were a couple of kids back in my school years that used Nazi as a slur for people with blue eyes and blond hair. It's the worse thing I have ever been called. Especially since my grandparents grew up in the hunger winter under the Nazi occupation.
"Who gives a shit. They're nazis" - The Major, Helsing Abridged
The way I had it explained to me was, the term "stay woke" was something POC said to each other as a way of reminding each other that any interaction with white people, but especially cops, carries with it the possibility of you ending up a victim of racial/police violence.
More of this style please, having a longer discussion period is a nice change/addition to the formula that is fact feind.
Punching Nazis is a slippery slope, and I love water slides.
When joker thinks you've gone to far....
I don't like Nazis, you can quote me on this if i ever become a TH-camr
This channel is one of the very few that wears its integrity on its sleeve.
The fact that the channel has been struggling, because it provides a fair wage and won't take bullshit sponsorships saddens me.
Karl, you and your team/friends are absolut treasures.
Also, fuck nazis
If I recall at least one "team-up" between Magneto & Red Skull ended with the skull nearly tortured to death by Magneto & in a DC crossover *the Joker* refused to work with him once he found out he's a nazi.
red skull looks cool, so long as you know nothing about him at all
when I was wee I had a lego red skull minifigure and I thought he looked so cool I always tried to fit him into any game I was playing in my head. now I'm older I realise that constantly playing with a nazi character seems a little weird
I still remember the one where he tried to talk smack to Magneto.
Dude, you guys aren't even in the same time zone of power. Your mouth is writing a check your fists aren't going to be able to cash.
Ngl I really enjoyed the discussion more than the red skull part of the video, you guys should do more discussion content
Best moment in comic history is the Joker from freaking DC getting mad that he's a Nazi "I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an American criminal lunatic!"
i love hearing Karl and friends being so reasonable about the social issues. Please give us more
The original time Red Skull got transferred into a clone, he didn’t have the red skull face. Instead he got that from an attempt at murdering Captain America with his chemical weapon that causes the look. Later on it is also revealed that he may be able to transfer his mind into clone bodies, but he has to really die for that and it isn’t a pleasant feeling. May explain why a guy specialized on masks since his earliest days doesn’t switch over for a new body just for the looks.
Red Skull is pretty cool i guess. I mean Cap still needs nazis to punch its like.... Yeah fuck nazis is the least controversial take possible
I don't like nazis is the most acceptable opinion in human history
"The only way I'd want them to interact, is that Red Skull exists, and Magneto unexists him."
That was perfect! XD
I remember one case where someone posted something along the lines of "f*ck w*ite s*premacy" (censored so it doesn't get buried).
Someone else responded "this is discrimination against Christians". Really curious the connection they made.
That is weird for so many reason's.
Like what?
@@ludovicusbathory1715 Yeah bet you never realised a religion where the literal messiah is some middle eastern Jewish guy who preached tolerance is actually all about white supremacy. It's obvious once you think about it - if your parents dropped you on the head a few hundred too many times as a baby.
@@Neion8
Those people believe Jesus and everybody important in the bible except Judas was a white guy. Religious art makes them all white and often even blonde.
@@saagabragi6938 True, although race-swapped Jesus is hardly specific to Europe/'white' people - hell, China even had the second deadliest war in human history over some guy claiming to be Jesus' brother (born 1800 years too late).
It's ironic that in the pursuit to be more like their messiah, many end up making their messiah to be more like them.
It would be funny to put all the various christian race supremacist groups into a room and letting them talk (shout) it out.
@@saagabragi6938That even wasn't because the Renessance and Medieval Artists are all Bigoted, its Just Christians depicting Jesus as "One of Us" there is Asian Jesus, White Jesus, Black Jesus ect, Jesus and the Bible Characters are depicted as any number of Ethnicities because People wanted to see them as "One of Us".
the hate ray was just a laser pointer, just picked out guys who where already dicks
in that comic if i remember correctly magneto comes back and lock the red skull in a pitch black cellar to starve to death
I have a story in mind where it’s just basically this god-like magician and another character who’s kinda like John Constantine hunt down a platoon of nazis who time traveled to the future and convinced a bunch of neo-nazis to work with them and at the end after the whole confrontation, it’s just the John Constantine type dude resurrecting and killing the nazis saying “if it’s morally wrong to revive nazis to kill them again the world’s gone loony.” To the godlike magician guy.
I think that image of Red Skull going off was from the Acts of Vengeance storyline and in Captain America 367 Magneto caught up with the Skull to.....talk.
Black person: Exists
"Why'd you have to bring race into it???"
Regarding the "woke": It reminds me of an apologist that tried to excuse something extremely immoral.
And the host just kept asking him: "Explain X." each time he tried to pivot. And similar to those that can't explain what is "woke". He could not explain a single situation in which that immoral act would be okay. And he just broke down and started screaming and cursing at the host, calling them heathens and all that shiz.
Let me guess was someone trying to get Kent hovind or Ken Ham to define the biblical word “kind”
@@jmurray1110 Dont think it was. I think it was someone trying to argue why child diddling is okay, because their holy book says its fine.
@@Kattlarv fuck even fundamentalist at least promote some level of consent
It’s usually terrible advice as they consider marriage as an accept all but children are usually off the table
The minute that someone says "woke" or worse, "SJW" I immediately stop talking to them now because I know that they have nothing worthwhile to say. These are the same people that fail to realize that superhero comic books have been about social justice from the very first one, Action Comics #1in1938. And you would hope that anyone in charge of any situation is "woke". It means they are paying attention. It means they care. It means that they are smart enough to learn something about what they are doing instead of going blindly through life in a state of ignorance.
And that's also the minute you know they've taken a side, and as Carl said "you're one of them" to those people, and more likely than not they just want to blow hot air and make themselves feel superior than actually have an intelligent conversation and let you change their opinion.
The sad thing is there are people on both ends of the spectrum who have decided there are sides and they need to "win" against the other, usually by throwing childish insults like "man baby" or "whamen". Their screaming makes it really hard to hear the grown ups in the middle who actually want to discuss and learn and grow.
@@Revan_7even The sad truth is that so few of them are superior in any way because, as Carl's girlfriend so wisely stated, they can't say anything beyond the buzzwords.
After the four-plus years of hell that we all lived through, I became very good a debating people who would actually engage in a real conversation. But more often than not, it devolved into them name-calling and making personal attacks when they saw they had no facts to stand on.
@@Revan_7even Except the people in the middle often are the reason things have gotten worse. Sometimes there isn't actually a middle ground, you need to just say "No, fuck you." Even being a centrist is often about vomiting buzzwords and irrationally trying to find a middle ground.
The Red Skull has a point about Magneto, or at least a partial point: while Magneto's motivations are laudable, he has been willing to kill indiscriminately, depending on who's doing the writing. That's the thing that's made Magneto interesting for the past 50 years or so: he uses the wrong methods but is otherwise someone we can get behind.
Now the reason Magneto lets the Red Skull plead his case is because he's literally letting him plead his case: Magneto has decided to pursue justice on the Red Skull. First he got the Red Skull to acknowledge that he was the actual original WWII Red Skull and not an imitator, and then presented charges. And that's when the Red Skull said what he said. Magneto was actually trying to be fair, which again is the side of Magneto that readers can respect.
Magneto was sent to a concentration camp at a young age and was deeply scared. Mutant kind is constantly hunted down, and all magneto wants to do is to stop it. Even if he has to kill the hunters, it is nothing like the Nazis
@@omegaprime9794 And in the hands of some writers, he'll also kill ordinary non-mutants who pose no particular threat to him. So before we go down that road where every villain is justified, while Magneto's concerns are justified, some of his actions are NOT.
@kingbeauregard I'm not saying he's justified, I'm just saying he not a short Austrian man who got rejected from art school and decided to make it everyone else's problem
@@omegaprime9794 and that doesn't mean that skull doesn't have a point. In the continuities where he wants to kill most or all humans to establish mutant supremacy, he basically has the same ideals of ubermensch rule as the nazis. Just a disagreement on what makes an ubermensch an ubermensch.
Magneto is such a goated ass character.
Can we just appreciate Karl being an unproblematic king, like this channel really is a breath of fresh air from all the toxic crap on youtube right now
"... Americans need a hate ray to be racist?"
I'm an American and that was fucking hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact that not liking nazis could be seen as controversial is what’s scary
I love how the Kingpin's go-to strategy for fucking with people is to strip down to his underwear before beating the brakes off of them.
When jojo rabbit came out people criticized it for its portrayal of Nazis. Like they saw it as making jokes about what is the worst thing to ever happen in human history. But the thing is that I say make fun of Nazis all you want. They wanted to be feared, so don’t let him get what they want make jokes about them, bully them, do all that. If they didn’t want to be made fun they should’ve won the war they started. They took the L now they get made fun of for the rest of history.
Thank you for the part at the end. As a writer, it annoys me how people throw "woke" around and that often the "anti-woke" people try to lump me into their crap. I became a writer because I felt an increasing trend in things I didn't like in media and I wanted to figure out why I didn't like it, what it is, and be able to explain it so even if I couldn't make something better myself, I could inform someone on how to do better. I dislike how "woke" or "representation" has become new buzzword because it is a small and simple word trying to describe many complex characteristics of modern writing, for good and bad.
Usually when someone calls a movie/show/whatever "woke" they don't know what they are talking about. For example the new Prey movie, a bunch of people tried to say it was woke to get people to boycott it. Woke in this modern context is something that is, or has aspects, of a politically progressive view trying to purposefully make a point of improvement in society. Using that, no, it really wasn't. It was about a girl, whose tribe (mainly men) told her she can't hunt, and proves them wrong in the ultimate test. There might be a point, but it isn't purposeful. They never said she couldn't hunt BECAUSE she was a girl, but it could be argued they implied that it is. That is not purposeful either way. The roots of this stuff does stem from good. Writers want to shine a light on bad topic. However, it feels like the production studios and corporations always stick their hands into it and force the writers to write in characters and dialogue that fits into a strict stereotype and it makes the writers look lazy and it makes the cause they are trying to showcase demeaning towards itself. Modern sexism (and similar derogatory subjects) is subtle and deeply ingrained into the few left who follow it. But often in modern writing there will be a scene where a male character will say straight to a female character "you belong in a kitchen" or something similar. To me that invalidates their whole point because they boiled their argument into an out of date stereotype. It only gets an eyeroll out of the audience and makes the writer look out of touch with the subject. Similarly, I can't take the Bechdel test seriously because it devolves the interactions between female characters into a checklist instead of anything of actual quality. It is better to write something, then maybe reference the Bechdel test afterward, instead of going into a project following the Bechdel test to the letter, which is what most media feels like now. I shouldn't feel like I'm playing "corporate trope bingo" when I indulge in media. That is what made me so annoyed. After some time breaking alot of this down I thought "wait, I heard this before" because so much modern media reuse the same stereotypes and tropes to push important topics. I don't want to play bingo in my head with these modern writing patterns and I don't want to go over a checklist when I write. Its why Wolfenstein the New Order had a few political points I disagreed with, but told them so well it should be praised for its writing (also awesome gameplay) where its sequel The New Colossus had more political points I agreed with, but told them so poorly that I couldn't enjoy it no matter how much better the gameplay was.
Sorry for leaving this rant. I doubt anyone will read it, but I ended up hyper-fixated on trying to explain what went through my head on this topic.
@@bobbysworld281995 What I'm starting to see now is "Make your own" and then some person does make their own but its an extreme over-correction and over-reaction to the point of looping back around and not being any better than what originally set them off onto it.
Modern sexism in the "few" left who follow it? I hope you're aware that sexism is still sexism when a woman does it, and we're currently experiencing a massive wave of that.
@@WildBluntHickok Yes, but that is outside of the context of my comment as most modern popular writing don't cover male issues.
Bechdel test was never intended as a valid quantifier of quality. It was invented to demonstrate how badly media was failing women when there was just one woman per story or they only talked about the male characters.
@@saagabragi6938 You're right in that it isn't intended to.
But intentions or not, that is how it is treated now, and that is literally how it is taught on a college level (or at least where I went to college, now I'm in Grad School and the other creative writing grad students and I are frustrated over a whole other can of worms.)
Something i hate about the internet is it's so hard to actually dislike things now, because there's a good chance nazi's and shit are going to do the same and now you have to defend it.
Like the new little mermaid, lazy live action reboot nobody wanted, easy to dislike, but no cuz now half the folk that are agreeing do so cuz the actor is black instead.
Like ffs, bigots online consistently miss the point so much that it can't be overstated.
Have you guys ever thought about doing a fact fiend podcast where ye get guests on and discuss facts and topics and general banter I'd think it would be brilliant
My favorite moment with magneto is that he physically beat the fuck out of red skull without using his powers and called him not worth killing.
Thanos: I might've killed an unknowable number of people just to try to get in the pants of someone who already rejected me but that...
*looks at red skull*
That's a degree of evil even I look down on.
The overemphasized outline of Red Skull's skull just makes him look like a troll face
I mean, it's 100% what Jack Kirby would have wanted, so in a way it's the writers continuing to honour his memory.
The hate ray should be sponsored by Twitter
Twitter is the hate ray 😄
Me, not reading the notes: His guest's voice sounds damned familiar.
Guest: "I'm 'Blasian'..."
Me: Holy shit, is that N'jalia Rhee?!? (Checks notes, confirms) W00T!!!!
The idea of anyone getting upset over the Wolfenstien ad campaign is just so funny to me. 'They mocked nazis and you got offended by that, what do you think that say about you?'
Yep there's only one reason to be offended by that.
The Kingpin and the Joker are better people than approaching 1/3 of North America.
Damn.
Even the joker hates the red skull bloody hell
For a group of people that likes telling "sheeple" to "wake up". They sure don't like being woke.
Jordan Peterson has never looked better than he does whenever he menaces Captain America
"Screw you woke moralist, we'll see who cancels who" - Red Skull, usually right before getting "cancelled"
lol yea right
Dumbest thing I've read today.
@@HegoDamaskll
Calling Red Skull Jordan Peterson or vice versa is sort of a meme.
Some time ago Jordan Peterson got really mad because he thought Red Skull's ideology/methology in a comic sounded like his, and thought it was actually about him. Maybe that says somethign about you, Jordan, when you look at a nazi supervillain and think "That me".
When you make a villain for a hero who's foundation is punching Hitler in the face.
I thought he was someone else and was confused as to why everyone hated him
I'm really curious who you thought he was originally?
@@casteanpreswyn7528
Me too