The École Polytechnique Massacre | The Montréal Massacre | Marc Lépine | Quebec True Crime
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- The École Polytechnique Massacre | The Montréal Massacre | Quebec True Crime
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This week, Drewby and Yergy discuss The École Polytechnique Massacre, also known as the Montreal Massacre, which was a mass shooting in Montreal, Quebec at an engineering school affiliated with the Université de Montréal.
On December 6, 1989, Marc Lépine entered a mechanical engineering class at the École Polytechnique and ordered the women and men to opposite sides of the classroom. Marc Lépine separated the women from the men, instructing the men to leave. He loudly stated that he was "fighting feminism" before committing his atrocities.
At the time, Marc Lépine's rampage was the deadliest mass shooting in Canadian history, only surpassed by the shootings in Nova Scotia taking place in April of this year.
Join us in the video as we honor the victims and talk about who they were:
Geneviève Bergeron
Hélène Colgan
Nathalie Croteau
Barbara Daigneault
Anne-Marie Edward
Maud Haviernick
Maryse Laganière
Maryse Leclair
Anne-Marie Lemay
Sonia Pelletier
Michèle Richard
Annie St-Arneault
Annie Turcotte
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz
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Jesus, those poor men getting blamed for not intervening :( that’s completely fucked. My heart goes out to them and the other survivors, the victims, and all their families
No
They were chicken shit cowards. Men are supposed to protect women and children.
@@KFrost-fx7dtyou can’t protect somebody from a gun. It’s pretty stupid unless your life was already on the line
I'd personally rather be first failing to help than know I could've done something and chose not to for every lingering day of my life.
Piling victim-blaming on top.of.survivors guilt and PTSD and then attacking masculinity. That's sickening.
I hope none of those cowards ever forget that day for a minute. They don't deserve to be called men.
@@KFrost-fx7dtbro there was literally nothing they could do. Those men don’t owe the women protection. If they wanted to help they would’ve died too
@@PersianCyrusII men do owe women and children protection. That's their role in society.
@@KFrost-fx7dt are you a woman? This is not Hollywood this is irl where its almost impossible to disarm a gun from somebody even if you are highly skilled
@@PersianCyrusII I'm not talking about taking a gun from a bad guy like in the movies, although there have been cases of that. Look up videos of shop clerks disarming robbers for example. The real problem is well-studied and it's called "bystander effect". The bigger the crowd, the more passive people are. In reality a crowd could rush a shooter and beat him to a pulp, possibly without anyone getting shot even.
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Thank you, Tamica! ♡ This makes my heart happy.
Same
It makes a huge difference to hear about the victims and to see the lovely photos. Thank you.
WOW!! I cannot believe how hard people came down on the guys!! That is sick & demented.
they think they can cure misogyny with misandry
This still gets talked about regularly to this day and most schools I went to had discussions on the event and what to do if something similar happened again.
This tragedy still gets me so choked up. As a female engineer we already face so much discrimination in the work place, and men who believe such golden things about women are overwhelmingly common. Every one of these women were individually amazing, because they had to be. May they rest in power. 😢
Hey did you know that Marc Lepine thought it should be illegal for women to fart
Lol stpid roastees 😂
I was 14 years old when this tragedy happened and I remember watching the news with my parents and I couldn't understand why this guy killed only women, because I was in the generation that we should study anything even if we are a woman, but now as I am a carriere woman today, I think this guy Marc Lépine was just a jealous guy who thought that women shouldn't be engineers or have a carriere as a man and he didn't have what it took to become what those women. I think it is a big strategy that in Montréal, we won't forget, I am writting today which is December 7, 2022, so yesterday was the 33th anniversary of this tragedy in Montréal and we are still remembering this day.
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My daughter's school had two school shooting this year. It is traumatizing.
Thank you for such a sensitive report about this tragic event.❤
As someone who has family in Québec, this sinks my heart.
I know there's been some weird and absolutely heinous crimes that have happened there, but it hurts me extra when I hear about it happen in Québec because it's always felt like such a sacred place to me, if that makes sense - Drewby
Thank you so much for covering this! Canada doesn't have many school shootings but it does happen here.
I agree completely with you and my heart goes out to these men who where made to feel this way.
This is the only true crime channel I watch, you're both so sincere, I love that you also belive in remembering victims, not killers, I also appreciate nit hearing a raid shadow legends sponsorship on such sensitive content, just really well handled thanks, keep it up :)
Thank you for caring about the victims. So many people just talk about these murderers and not the people whos lives were stolen
It’s heartbreaking hearing how beautiful and promising the futures of the victims was, and for them to have lost it because of a homicidal misogynist.
That's just not right it has to go somewhere
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At the time of this tragedy--setting up a perimeter, assessing the situation and calling in more heavily armored and armed colleagues (SWAT etc.) was SOP in what we now call an active shooter situation in both Canada and the US. In active shooter situations the SOP has evolved over the last 30 years. It was a lesson born out of the tragedy of several workplace and Post Office shootings in the 90's and the all too numerous school shootings beginning with Columbine that have occurred over the last two decades. (Columbine was by no means the first school shooting but is widely considered to be a turning point when it comes to how civilians and LE handle active shooter situations) Now most LE departments advise their LEOs to engage the shooter as quickly as possible within certain protocols. For many decades in the 20th century I think that active shooter situations were looked at as akin to hostage situations. The more we learned about the psychology and motives of active shooters the more we realized that the mindset of setting up and settling in for long term negotiations was not the way to view/handle these situations. (Keep in mind this is a generalization of past and current SOPs--within the new mindset and SOPs that have been implemented each situation is unique and fluid and must be adapted to as such)
You covered this better than Canada did, even. Thank you.🇨🇦🤍✨
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If my sons were there yes run & hide I want to see my boys again
Good job, it's very well explain!!! as a Montrealer i was 17 at the time of the crime, it was a shock!!!and woman were egal not feminist... in quebec the generation baby boomer (family of 10 childrens was not uncommun) and the job were all taken by them so school limited the inscription and took only the best!!! it was not easy to find your place in all that
Where we live in Maine (Lewiston/Auburn) has a very large French Canadian community and there are so many families with 10+ children. My family on my dad's side had only 5 and it was considered quite small!
This is sexism to a whole new level.....
You are both awesome and do such great reviews, i can listen to your reviews for a long, without seeing any footages or videos to boost, enhance or feed up the story👌-and sometimes- that's all it takes to have a way better insight comprehension of the whole thing, wich is important to me, because this ain't fiction👍..SO! You were asking if Quebeckers are still speaking French? Yes we are, and not only at home, we adopted this 101Law about being served in French in all commercial places, schools,the road signs must stay French... All in all, French must stay currently spoke everywhere, and so il does!(Let's say that it's not like in France, as we use our slang.😏) Did i imaginated things or you both seemingly being like "missing" speaking French??😁 Êtes-vous Canadiens ou Québécois? Si oui, ça me fais plaisir de vous rassurer que le Français est préservé par la Loi 101 au Québec. Pour revenir à votre revue, Le carnage de la Polytechnique était un crime haineux contre les femmes sur le marché du travail...un film québécois a été tourné, respectant l'histoire le plus près possible. But then, if you can't translate these upper French sentences, i told that it was made a entirely Quebecker movie, that reproduces the must closer the real facts of this sad tragedy of a heinous crime against women's progressing outline their homes...Sadly, in these years, the murderer wasn't not the last man to refuse changes. What people cannot conceive, it's the fact he was such a young man, entertaining a so old and dated way to think! Old guys are still making old smelly jokes about women and progress, driving,working.. we can afford that; but not the fact that one morning, a young man with moon in historique head takes his shotgun and goes settle things like ??...-i don't know- but i'm sure that he wasn't even raised like that, and his Mother must still ask what was going wrong on this unfamous morning...😓 i'm done
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I'm watching this in 2022, but I want to comment. I really like that it was pointed out that feminism goes both ways. I was thinking the same thing about the shooting victim males being singled out for not pRoTeCtInG the females is not what feminism represents and I'm so glad it was mentioned. You do a wonderful job!
Thank you so much!! I was a bit worried how that was going to be received, so I'm glad you appreciated it!
It shows the true nature of feminists, especially male feminists doesn't it? Just leave the women to die, save your own coward skins.
Idk why i saw 'polytechnique' and thought of disco
As a Montrealer, was a teen when this happened and as of now 2024, this is officially swept under the carpet. Barely mention nowadays since Mark original name is muslim and offending minority is a huge no no in canawokistan or Quéwokistan.
Sarto was my mom's cousin, so his mother was my grand-mother’s sister. They were very close. Thank you for talking about indirect victims.
These were all such brilliant women that could have changed the world. Its devastating that they were taken from the world so soon.
When myself and my ex husband had a child he was a stay at home dad because I could earn more money with my career than he could. It's not feministic it's economical
True. It makes no difference which one of the parents choses to work. It makes a lot of sense for one parent to stay home. Most parents would love being able to raise their child without the use of babysitters/daycares. (which may be necessary but not preferable usually) Sometimes it's just not worth it for both parents to work.
I think the men should of tried to help the women
Men don’t owe women anything.
How?
Im also from mains. My aunt was murdered there in 1996 ive had extreme. Difficulties att empting. Reasurch regarding her case, any suggestions ?
Thank you guys for talking about this episode oh and news and media calling out oh why didn’t you help okay explain to my how 20s year old can stop a man with a load gun and not be scared hmm
Thank you for the comment! I really can't believe that was the narrative in the media either, it's so disgusting.
The Rubicon bordered the city of Rome. No soldier could cross that river and enter the city of Rome in uniform.
When armies would muster for a campaign, they would gather at "the fields of Mars" which was beyond that river, and get suited up there. When Cesar crossed that river with his uniformed army, he was seriously breaking ancient laws.35:50 sounds like columbine, only when they did go in they shot a couple of kids and said, "ooops, the gunmen did that..." It's a thing.
40:25 this is by design. In 1913 the federal reserve was enacted. The family that controlled the banks also controlled the IRS and could only tax half the population because women didn't work. So those families(Rockefeller, carnigie, JP Morgan et al) spent money promoting first wave feminism. "But who will take care of the children?" People said. Well wouldn't you know it? Those families also invested in the public schools and instituted the Prussian education system to create dumb factory workers. So mom and dad both get taxed while the state raises the kids. Great plan...it worked too.
That's why the crossing of the Rubicon I view as a very powerful metaphor of taking a step you know you can't turn back from, even if you wanted to. I also had no idea the all the rich banker families promoted feminism as this way to generate more tax revenue. I'm not surprised at all, but absolutely gross.
Also, it's technically illegal for them to "make" you pay federal taxes. You don't have to but they make you believe you do. The IRS is NOT a government facility or program it's a business that the government uses to trick engine into thinking they have to pay taxes. They couldn't possibly let anyone get their money out of the bank! It doesn't exist! They have to keep the paper lie going as long as possible. Anyway, I'm ranting but.... yeah... state taxes we pay because we vote on that. Federal taxes do NOT have to be paid.
@@andreakies8283 sadly, they've garnished my wages before for deciding not to pay them 😢
>sounds like columbine, only when they did go in they shot a couple of kids and said, "ooops, the gunmen did that..." It's a thing.
that never happened at columbine (the lack of cops going in happened, but not the cops shooting anyone). every single victim has been identified as shot by either eric or dylan. no one died without witnesses.
I know this video is a year old, but to kind of add on to the idea that this wasn't religiously motivated, the letter sounds very much like something somebody raise that a more Christian atheist household would write.
The use of Latin (something very tied to the catholic church), references to "the maker" rather than any specific God, references to the Grim Reaper (which as far as I know is a european cultural icon, i think the angel of death "Azrael" is the closest cultural equivalent, but don't quote me on that), and the fact that he would have had as much of a Christian influence as an Islamic one leads me to believe that even if it was religiously motivated, it was probably more Christianity than the Islam, though really I don't think it was either.
It's also worth noting that North Africa is a pretty diverse Place religiously speaking. I'd imagine that what type of Islam that exists there probably is distinctly culturally different then somewhere like the Middle East or Malaysia. At least from the little research I've done, it's much less Fundamentalist.
Considering the response to the incident towards the men, this seems like a way of diverting attention from the fact that this was very clearly a cultural norm of the time that everybody wanted to ignore was an issue.
The legislation Harper overturned was the long gun registry, it was in 2011. It was brought in in 95 by the liberal party which was a extremely expensive costing Canadians nearly $2 billion dollars.
The registry has been brought back by the current Liberal govt, adding a ton more guns to the list.
I have my restricted and non restricted gun license. When I got it I had to do a background check as well as an interview where they asked about my mental health.
A lot has changed since 1989, thank god.
Not much has changed
24:30 I had no idea there were both men and women in the same class room, he ordered the men out of the room, and once they were in the hallway, the shooter began to shoot the women, I can understand why a few of them later offed themselves
🙄I heard this story from my 2 older sisters but they told me the story like it was my fault. MY FAULT? I had nothing to do with this massacre! I wasn't even in high school yet! I don't know why my sisters hate me so much. And this massacre happened on St. Nicholas Day, too. St. Nicholas Day is a bit like Christmas.
Christmas:
-December 25
-Put your stockings out for presents
-If you've been bad you get a piece of coal
-A very fat man dressed in red and white, with a big white beard, arrives at your house to give you presents.
St. Nicholas Day:
-December 6
-Put your SHOES out for presents
-If you've been bad you get a POTATO
-An average built man dressed like the pope arrives at your house to give you presents.
My grandmother had a Victorian house…. Built around 1900. …. Near Rock Port. As an adult, we sent at least 2 weeks (end ofJily and the first 2 weeks in August. We also road part or the Golden Road. Yup…. We camped out in our Airstream with our dogs and cat (rescue, easy going and just wanted to hang with us…. Maine …. The way life should be!
Good on you guys for taking the time to recognize the victims. It's sad that most true crime media neglects to do so, opting to instead essentially glorify the bad guy. When I take this stupid world over, I'll be sure you guys get light slave duty.
Hey
Maybe the media made it about the male students because of such a poor police response?
Lol bastardized French is quite common where I come from! In New Brunswick we probably have three different types of French lol
Eh Leonidas of Sparta is a name still spoken with reverence
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You laugh at the lack of maleness comment but have a look at the declining testosterone levels in males each year. It’s dropping dramatically
Although all mass shootings/massacres in general are saddening and fear provoking, somehow massacres aimed at a specific intent like this one are more enraging. And yes, toxic masculinity is one of the most poisoning of all things in our society. That is Not to blame men, but to let men know that it hurts them too. As usual, all things like transphobia, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, ext, all of these things may also hurt you, who do not apply to them. Men too should participate in helping the feminist movement to stop femecide and all that stuff, to know that it affects womens views on them, and prevents them from being saved in events of "Well, you should have been more masculine and fought back".
You could say the killer blessed them then ? By making them forever remembered by comparison to say someone like myself ?
Marc Lépine aka;Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi, un arabe musulman...
Et il méprise les femmes wow qui aurait pensé
Half Arab Muslim... His mother was Canadian. You cannot just edit that truth out to suit your prejudices 🙄
Oh, and if you think Muslim men are the only group who are misogynistic, you must be living under a rock. You can find plenty of misogynistic groups that span a wide range of communities and individuals. Plesse try not to cherry pick.
Yet again, unfortunately a deadly mass shooting in our harrowing human history of this atrocity! I was a kid when this had occurred so I have no knowledge of this. A decade later, the columbine tragedy here in the 🇺🇲states 😢. Then it's just been a tragic onslaught of such throughout the last 2 decades @ schools and a few colleges as well. Even in public places! We hear broken promises of gun control and regulation but to no avail until something happens and then it goes dormant yet again. Gives a new meaning to 'let sleeping dogs lie when it comes to these crises! It almost is numbing and that in itself is its very problem. There's just too many guns in the wrong hands and unregulated. There needs to be more work done to combat gun violence notwithstanding what leads up to these acts! Then again there is the mental illness epidemic that persists day in and day out! So tragic 💔 rip to the victims 🙏. The suspect sounds like he was a whiny wuss coward in that suicide note and sounds like he blamed everyone else especially women for his problems! This is hate crime!
The two men that killed themselves did not do so because of what the media wrote or said, they did so out of shame they felt upon reflection of their responses to a life or death situation. Why are you trying to minimize that? Can you imagine how they felt as they ran from that class room, hearing gunshots and screams, KNOWING that with your escape, others are dying. How many screams did they listen to? 27? 30? I can't say if they were right or wrong to escape as I wasn't there, but you should not minimize their pain by shifting the reason for the suicides to what amounts to bad press.
I will note that as men were not his target, they were the ones that would most likely have been able to get close enough to stop him.
Typical foid. The “empathetic” gender at it again 😝
I don't think these men could've stopped the shooter without getting shot themselves. There was nothing they could do to stop that man. I don't understand why people blamed that monsters actions on these innocent men.
@@btb554 because people. Including the woman commenting above you, hate men. That is their modus operandi.
Also WOW yeah blaming the men for this is so dumb, luckily in a recent training had as i'm getting a job at a local school covered school shootings. They literally state that you should never, ever try to face the shooter unless your life is on the line. There is no blame to be had if you cant or don't. I's not saying the women shoulda tackled him. But it's definitely saying that the men shouldn't have needed to try and save the women. While in theory, yeah, in fiction I'd expect that from Someone and occasionally those heroes exist, but it's not worth the risk especially if they have no experience anyway
Exactly, I don't understand people blaming that monster's actions on the innocent men survived.
Ducking frog
Even in this case it took a man to stop the shooter, just saying ladies