Receivers are directly tied to QB play and offensive play calling. That’s why everyone missed on Puka Nacua and Cooper Kupp. Still both are insanely talented but not sure they do what they do in other offenses with sub par QB play.
@Biz613 exactly you are correct. Switch Rashee Rice with Puka and you get the same results with Rice. The Chiefs did play Rashee for half the season. He only average like 3 targets a game. Yes only 3 and he almost had a 1000 yard even with sitting out week 17 for rest. If he had the same amount of targets as Puka he would have had 1500 yards. It's all about the offense.
You can’t predict what team or situation a player goes to. Like Zay flowers doesn’t have the season that he did if he went to a team that forced him to do regular WR stuff and play mostly outwide. Same for tank dell.
I watched videos of U of Washington for the last two years. Andre Ware was enamored with Penix after doing a game in 2022. He never saw a college qb throw a ball so well off his hand. Wanted the Texans to draft him last year. Of course Penix returned to UW for the 23’ season. Glad he did after Strouds 1st year. In 22’, Jalen McMillen was a better WR than Polk. This year Polk had a better year, but McMiillen missed a lot of games due to injury. I’d take him before Polk.
@53:00 - it's really annoying that PFF don't cover every position group. Most of us aren't here to assess positional value according to PFF's data perspective... We're football fans - I want to know all the players I watch on an NFL field.
If the NFL thinks they're worth spending resources on, players are worth covering. Teams know far more than PFF. But regardless, fans want to know who we're watching.
I think if BTJ goes to Dallas or Cincy, and can get some route running help from CeeDee/Cooks or Chase, he could be gross; but if he goes to Jacksonville or New Orleans or somewhere dumb where he’s just a deep ball guy, he’ll be MVS, DJ Chark or Martavis Bryant.
I feel like its apples and oranges. These are more numbers analysis. Steve was a certified reciever in the league for most of his career. They won't look at guys the same way. Plus zay's production could've been so different. Imagine if he went to Chicago or something
Right…. Without a QB ILMAO, Steelers need to focus on finding a good QB again in the meantime they’ll be a $$ again this season with captain Checkdown running the show.
Worst place he could go other than the Raiders lmao he needs to go somewhere that has firm leadership. I think his ideal landing spot would be San Francisco to hopefully be the eventual Aiyuk replacement. Similar size and mold, won’t be asked to do a ton out of the gate, other than work hard, block and catch some short range stuff.
Nah He’s already AB in his 8 season level worry/distraction/problem coming in as a rookie. I’d rather have Thrash or similar or better yet take Ladd in the first ( maybe trade back a bit get a higher 2cond rounder ) and not look back . Franklin , Ad would also be awesome.
Sam you've gotta stop with the MVS comp. BTJ had half the drop rate and a way higher contested catch rate. Just because he's big and fast doesn't mean he's MVS. Also having Quentin Johnston as WR3 last year and BTJ as WR16 this year is wild and feels like a massive overcorrection
I agree. MVS is very slow off the line and seems to take forever to get up to his eventual elite long speed. Thomas is much quicker off the line. He's also more agile and tracks the ball far, far better. Quinton Johnston was helped by being the only big and fast receiver in his draft class. Unfortunately that's about all he has. He plays small and doesn't track the ball downfield nearly as well as BTJ. On the plus side, he was pretty good after the catch in college. But he definitely benefited from coming out in a weaker WR class full of smurfs who largely underwhelmed at the combine.
He was saying he plays incredibly explosive but doesn’t test well. But he did test well. He didn’t say he isn’t explosive, he just forgot his combine numbers. Lol
Gotta love all these Draft "Experts"... show their picks from previous Years and they are all HIT and MISS... MISS more than HIT. Also love hearing "Value" Bwahahahaha Ok if you're picking late in the draft then you take BEST player or TOP player off your fucking Board... NO matter what these Jackwagons say. OMG I can't believe they drafted him that high..... Ok let's say they don't pick that player... then 20 picks later a team grabs him before you can draft again and it's Genius. Ughhhhhhh So you lost the player you wanted because you didn't grab him... all because these Jackwagons are like... you have to wait to draft him 10 picks down... Shut up. Neither of these two had Puca on their top 10... they both had Rice and Flowers WAY down their list. Ughhhh
lol, already walking back the ridiculous take that BTJ was no better than MVS (5th round pick). At leat own your bad takes if you're going to adamantly make them and upload them for the world to see. Don't try to hedge them your very next video.
I don’t understand how pearsall isn’t a top 6 receiver. His measurables and production are insane, he’s gonna go off in the right offense.
Great show, tying these players to their schools when naming them would be great
What were the rankings in 2022 and 2023?
Receivers are directly tied to QB play and offensive play calling. That’s why everyone missed on Puka Nacua and Cooper Kupp. Still both are insanely talented but not sure they do what they do in other offenses with sub par QB play.
@Biz613 exactly you are correct. Switch Rashee Rice with Puka and you get the same results with Rice. The Chiefs did play Rashee for half the season. He only average like 3 targets a game. Yes only 3 and he almost had a 1000 yard even with sitting out week 17 for rest. If he had the same amount of targets as Puka he would have had 1500 yards. It's all about the offense.
You can’t predict what team or situation a player goes to. Like Zay flowers doesn’t have the season that he did if he went to a team that forced him to do regular WR stuff and play mostly outwide. Same for tank dell.
I watched videos of U of Washington for the last two years. Andre Ware was enamored with Penix after doing a game in 2022. He never saw a college qb throw a ball so well off his hand. Wanted the Texans to draft him last year. Of course Penix returned to UW for the 23’ season. Glad he did after Strouds 1st year.
In 22’, Jalen McMillen was a better WR than Polk. This year Polk had a better year, but McMiillen missed a lot of games due to injury. I’d take him before Polk.
Did I miss Jacob Cowing? If so, he's an elite separator out of Arizona. Another good slot WR, gone around the late 3rd/early 4th round.
Poor man’s Jamari thrash
I'll take the "later." Maybe Cowing is off that early, but it wouldn't shock me if he were a 5th-7th at all.
I like Cowing moo than most people. Sorry, had to be done. But I actually do like his game quite a bit lol.
Safety class please.
There seems to be two rd2 safeties and about eight rd3. Yet every scouting report showers them all with praise.
curious what st.brown was ranked in 2021
68th
like 14th WR
What was Jaylen Reed ranked last year going into the draft? Also as a packers fan, who do you think would be good to grab in the 3-4 round?
Burton who they’ve already hosted
Neither had Reed in their top 10
@53:00 - it's really annoying that PFF don't cover every position group.
Most of us aren't here to assess positional value according to PFF's data perspective... We're football fans - I want to know all the players I watch on an NFL field.
If the NFL thinks they're worth spending resources on, players are worth covering. Teams know far more than PFF. But regardless, fans want to know who we're watching.
SE!!! MO!!!
Love to see Flournoy get some love
That boy is a dawg. Was my favorite player at the Senior Bowl
Agreed
Jamari Thrash will be considered a top 5 wr from this draft by the end of the year.
Pearsall is my WR4… only time will tell
What about Joshua cephus from UTSA
What this class lacks in TEs and RBs, it more than makes up for with all of these WRs. It's absolutely insane!
17:30 Ja'lynn Polk
I think if BTJ goes to Dallas or Cincy, and can get some route running help from CeeDee/Cooks or Chase, he could be gross; but if he goes to Jacksonville or New Orleans or somewhere dumb where he’s just a deep ball guy, he’ll be MVS, DJ Chark or Martavis Bryant.
Having zay flowers so low and Quinton Johnson so high makes me realize how superior Steve smith Sr is to these guys when it comes to grading wrs
I feel like its apples and oranges. These are more numbers analysis. Steve was a certified reciever in the league for most of his career. They won't look at guys the same way. Plus zay's production could've been so different. Imagine if he went to Chicago or something
If Steve called out Puka Nacua that would have been impressive
The cooper kupp take cements that
I'm not sure there were many people a year ago that had Johnston anywhere other than top 3 somewhere. And I was as low on him as pretty much anybody.
@samuelmonson70 multiple analysts were low on Johnston as was I. He was a big wr who didn't play like a big guy
If they left it up to Steve, they'd do the show once a month and it'd go for ~10 minutes.
No, he has to do a daily 10 min rant about his squeaky chair
The Steelers draft Jermaine Burton in the 2nd-3rd round and turn him into the next great mid rounds receiver
Right…. Without a QB ILMAO, Steelers need to focus on finding a good QB again in the meantime they’ll be a $$ again this season with captain Checkdown running the show.
@@K1forMVPwinning 10 games is ass? Lmao they’re going from a 6 TD QB to a 27 TD QB for pennies
Yeah sounds right up their alley with attitude problems 😂
Worst place he could go other than the Raiders lmao he needs to go somewhere that has firm leadership. I think his ideal landing spot would be San Francisco to hopefully be the eventual Aiyuk replacement. Similar size and mold, won’t be asked to do a ton out of the gate, other than work hard, block and catch some short range stuff.
Nah He’s already AB in his 8 season level worry/distraction/problem coming in as a rookie. I’d rather have Thrash or similar or better yet take Ladd in the first ( maybe trade back a bit get a higher 2cond rounder ) and not look back . Franklin , Ad would also be awesome.
Brendan Rice or Luke McCaffrey analysis? Can either be an NFL starter?
I’m really curious about LMC. Going to be targeting him in the last round of dynasty drafts because of the physical traits and inexperience
No
Forgot Cowing and T Washington.
Both look shifty.
Sam you've gotta stop with the MVS comp. BTJ had half the drop rate and a way higher contested catch rate. Just because he's big and fast doesn't mean he's MVS. Also having Quentin Johnston as WR3 last year and BTJ as WR16 this year is wild and feels like a massive overcorrection
Chark is a more interesting comp for Thomas
I agree. MVS is very slow off the line and seems to take forever to get up to his eventual elite long speed. Thomas is much quicker off the line. He's also more agile and tracks the ball far, far better.
Quinton Johnston was helped by being the only big and fast receiver in his draft class. Unfortunately that's about all he has. He plays small and doesn't track the ball downfield nearly as well as BTJ. On the plus side, he was pretty good after the catch in college. But he definitely benefited from coming out in a weaker WR class full of smurfs who largely underwhelmed at the combine.
I would have Legette and McConkey in the top 5.
Let’s go
Hot take Troy Franklin will be a better receiver than Brian Thomas
Lol "here are our terrible picks from last year... but trust us this year!"
Sam says Jamar Chase isn’t explosive /fast and says other people comps of a wr to a bear just isn’t true man PFF really on top of it all
He was saying he plays incredibly explosive but doesn’t test well. But he did test well. He didn’t say he isn’t explosive, he just forgot his combine numbers. Lol
Gotta love all these Draft "Experts"... show their picks from previous Years and they are all HIT and MISS... MISS more than HIT. Also love hearing "Value" Bwahahahaha Ok if you're picking late in the draft then you take BEST player or TOP player off your fucking Board... NO matter what these Jackwagons say. OMG I can't believe they drafted him that high..... Ok let's say they don't pick that player... then 20 picks later a team grabs him before you can draft again and it's Genius. Ughhhhhhh So you lost the player you wanted because you didn't grab him... all because these Jackwagons are like... you have to wait to draft him 10 picks down... Shut up. Neither of these two had Puca on their top 10... they both had Rice and Flowers WAY down their list. Ughhhh
lol, already walking back the ridiculous take that BTJ was no better than MVS (5th round pick).
At leat own your bad takes if you're going to adamantly make them and upload them for the world to see. Don't try to hedge them your very next video.