Is This Cheating?? Livescope for Huge Crappie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Went fishing using livescope for the first time. Was I lit as easy as everyone thinks. @RiverCertified took me on his boat and also cooked lunch.
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I got back into bass fishing after a 20 year gap. What i fell back in love with was the simplicity of taking a small bit of tackle, one or two rods down a creek in a kayak. Tech like that stains the real fun in discovery.
My uncle recently introduced me to Live Scope crappie fishing this past fall in East TN. After experiencing it myself, I understand why some people scoff at it for the video-game-like nature when they see it in videos, but in practice it still requires angling skill, boat discipline, and understanding of structure to use effectively.
As it applies to competitive fishing, I think a page need be taken from competitive shooting, with different tournaments or divisions that don't allow for any imaging at all, or limited to GPS only.
Speaking just about crappie on open water and any imaging tech, I think it makes the whole process a lot more approachable and accessible; we were able to use live scope on known structure points to find which spots were holding fish, but we still had to find and chart those points in the first place. Once anchored, I could easily fish off the other end of the boat without imaging, allowing more novice people on the boat to use the screen real time. Watching the live imaging while jigging also makes it very easy for inexperienced people to learn about what's going on underwater as well with both the fish and their , shortening the learning curve for mental visualization.
There were also plenty of times where the imaging showed us that a bait ball had come through the spot, pulling all of the crappie away from it. Without the imaging, we could've easily just sat there fishing for nothing without a clue. I agree, I love being able to cast into a creek or the ocean and hook up with the unknown. On the open water though, I don't see a problem with boaters using the tech to make their limited time more productive.
If anglers are still respecting legal limits and putting back some of the giant breeders, I don't think it live imaging has a negative effect. More focused effort means less fuel expenditure and subsequent exhaust, less time meandering around and creating wake for others, fewer boats stalking other boats for their spots, etc. All good things for the sport. Not everyone has a mental map of sunken trees passed down from their families to help them locate fish, and this type of tech is what will keep the practice approachable in the future.
I'm American but live in Germany. Here in the Bremen fishing club, they banned Livescope on the Weser.
I have to say I am against live scope setups in all ways, especially in tournaments. But, I am a believer in depth finders only, with maybe a temperature of the surface water. The more the technology has increased the less skill and focus and research is required. Just my opinion.
I do believe some tournaments are banning the use.
The only real reason I run a "fish finder", a Garmin, is to see water depth as in prop/foot saver duty. Second is for navigating it's onboard maps, but i could even do without that.
Lots of fun on this trip. Even if we were cheating haha
I think of it as added pressure, like year round bed fishing
When it comes to fishing, Im a caveman! The more primitive the better! I don't use Live Scope for the same reason I don't use digital gear. I absolutely love Spencer's channel, and I overlook his use of Live Scope because he does a lot of old school techniques as well. So if the water is very cold and the fish are not biting, I do either one or two things. 1) I chumb the water heavily. Or 2), I stay home until it warms up.
I don't like fishing when it is cold. This is why I will NEVER ice fish!
It is cool to catch/cook and never leave the water - that seems like a perfect trip
That was fun, Welcome to Alabama where my fishing hole is in Wilson Lake. Spencer makes a good captain, first mate and cook. I need to borrow him.🤣 👍
Right on. I'm glad you finally went fishing with river certified 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I have enjoyed your videos fishing with Spencer and Cole an Jay. Thanks for putting out wholesome videos with scripture to bless us all!
Man, never thought I'd see Jon sitting on the front of a bass boat using live scope. What a time to be alive. I love how bredth of ways you fish has expanded over the years. It's so cool to see. Keep having fun and pursuing Christ out there brother!
They'll be jumping in the boat before long to get it over with. They barely have a chance now. But it's hard to handicap yourself when everyone is fishing ffs. I think it'd take the fun out but I'm yet to experience it. Half the battle is finding g fish. Now we can see into their homes. Must be fun or everyone wouldn't be doing it though.
If fishing for fun or a type of recreation live scope takes away the enjoyment and pleasure of trying to catch fish. If fishing for food or tournaments then it becomes an advantage. After all that’s why it’s called fishing. Loved the catch and cook portion on the boat
this one is Active target from Lowrance , I personally prefer Livescope from Garmin, I think has better image , and I use Lowrance for mapping. nice catches by the way. 👍👍👍
John learn a lot on this video I'm planning to buy an electric driven kayak please do a video on what you found out on the new electric powered kayaks and accessories and light batteries to power the kayaks.
Keep making great videos.
Very awesome seeing you meet up with Spencer, small world it seems! Stay safe out there!
Another great video, John. Thanks for taking us along.
First time seeing your own video I saw with my catfish man Spencer
John I loved this episode. You two are my favorites. Seeing y'all together was great 👍❤
I use a Garmin Striker 4 plus with the ducer mounted inside my kayak hull with plumbers putty. It’s only $150ish. The main advantage for me is the depth readings, and seeing where the ledges are. It actually spots fish quite well. I also use it for ice fishing and like it better than my more expensive Humminbird flasher. There is a separate ice kit and ducer for the Garmin. It’s super affordable. Live scope is great but the cost…
I can see keeping up with the competition in tournaments. Take every advantage you can. Especially on lakes and ice. Technology is cool. On the other hand. I spend enough time with my eyes on a screen. Is it cheating? I don't think so. Does it take away from the "adventure" and just taking in nature? Yup.
What’s up John I love your videos are ur a massive inspiration for me u make me feel better when I’m down, thank u for the great videos and keep it up
great video and great fishing!! hi John!! have a good day and weekend.
Btw, like Jim "Romey" Rome states (tongue in cheek), "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."
I think it's a shame when money can take the place of experience and talent.
removes all the art and skill. imagine 10 years from now when this tech is even better and affordable for everyones budget. bye bye fish populations, then the state will crack down on licensing and limits severely. if it wasnt cheating, then it wouldnt be considered such an advantage and a necessity in tournaments
Interesting, thanks for sharing and have a Blessed Day!
Just like using a fish finder for ice fishing. I say whatever gets dinner works for me. That’s what I’m there for.♥️👍🏼🙏
That crappie was a MONSTER Jon!!!! Wooooooo weeeeeeeeeee
John with Spencer river certified
I’ve been wanting to get together with someone that uses it myself. Just to see it in person. I’d like to have someone watch from the side while I fish with my sinking fly lines to see how they sink underwater. It hard to tell how much they belly and how the fly reacts to the pull of the line.
because of tech like this the next generation will not need to learn how to fish or to learn fish behavior. the art and magic of fishing will be removed. it is cool tech, it is also cheating. it will start to have serious consequences on the fisheries as well. i know guys getting their limits of 50 crappie or 150 sunfish in 30 min to an hour. before livescope, they would still catch a lot of fish but very rarely limit. its going to hurt bass, badly. look 10 years down the line when the tech becomes affordable for literally everyone. bye bye fishing. i will never forgive the people who used it, and destroyed my children and grandchildrens ability to enjoy this timeless and beautiful sport in the future.
Awesome adventure John thanks brother 😎
Looked quite different. I always like the surprise of the hit. To each his own, I guess. Those fried crappie looked delish ! It looked very cold out there, maybe you needed a cold weather suit like the Captain ! Always be careful. Pap Blevins
Great video John I have looked a fish finder was not sure what was a fish or was something else and maybe if I had more time with one I would be able to
Yeah, John, I like the way you fish. Also gadgets are nice but doing it without the help. I don't know. Just feels better. And makes for better Videos. But no harm to take advantage of Technology every once in a while. That's what it's there for could get you under some big fish too. But I like the Creek fishing adventure. They are more Realistic for kick around fisherman. Still a nice video. Seen him catch some monster flat heads. And cooking and eating crappie don't get no better.
Fishing is getting to be like High Fence Hunting...or constant bed fishing for fish trying to protect their own.
Good video, different perspective and interesting to see you doing something new. It doesn’t matter if you use one of those or not, whether you use a boat, kayak, wade or whatever. As long as you keep Christ first as you do, I will watch you.
Livescope is super cool and gives the fisherman a massive upper hand. However I feel it should not be used in tournaments. It takes the "knowledge" out of fishing. I'm a good guide because of years of knowledge, making mistakes, and most importantly putting time on the water. That is what we go for to be on/in the water so for a few moments the world don't matter so much.
Awesome video as always. Jealous here in Cali of your beautiful spots. Thank you, I'm saving to move lol
stay in cali
Awesome
John i hope you keeping wading and kayak fishing by instinct. Sick of seeing people staring at a screen on other you tube channels. Just my opinion.
If you've been around any amount of time I think you already know what CFA is all about. I don't think you have much to worry about.
As long as you don't start using dominate I'm good. I draw the line at underwater explosives! 😎
The potential for abuse and over harvest is something that is on my mind. In some lake it wouldn’t take long to effect the stocks. For every responsible person there are dozens of individuals who have no problem with destroying the balance of nature by overfishing. I see it every trip to the lake when I release undersized fish and others with 7-8 people on a pontoon keeping everything they get to the boat. Might not be a problem where you live but I think my local lake would probably have undesirable consequences
I would definitely have it if I could afford it!
This reminds me of everyone gets a trophy 🏆 its called fishing for a reason not catching heck just through a stick of dynamite boom you caught all the fish you win
My buddy has live scope I went with him it was pretty cool
Whats your go to rod and reel for crappie
About a sporting is killing a deer over a corn pile
I enjoy watching you fish tournaments because you more or less fish like I would. I found myself hoping you’d pass on the Livescope thing as I watched you using it. It’s not nearly as entertaining watching a guy staring at a screen, but I get that you want to be more competitive.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... You don't need it. You always find fish.
Purist. No live scope. Just fish.
But fishing brush piles is good for crappie. But y'all did great 👍
Man that ain’t willing to cheat for a crappie don’t want a crappie bad enough
Didn’t people think that fish sonars were cheating at one point?
Yea
Is it cheating? No, but it sure would be difficult to target those crappie without it.
Fair chase is eliminated with livescope. It’s like spotlighting deer, hunting hogs with a night optic under a feeder. I get it on private property, but I feel strongly it shouldn’t be allowed. It also takes the experience of enjoying nature whe. You just stare at a screen. It’s just another thing adding to the slippery slope of society.
Live scope sucks and it's cheating . Really enjoy the videos . Thanks
didnt feel like cheating this day, only caught 4 fish in 6 hours
I don't care if people use it but I don't think it should be available in tournament fishing.
No matter what you're fishing for Livescope is cheating. it's no different than a hunter spot lighting deer.
what about using live bait
I’m here just to see all the complaints about livescope. 🤓🍿
Yes, livescope is cheating. Also imagine it like this. Fishing is not what it used to be. Everywhere has been over pressured by mass fishing over the last 50 or more years with amazing technology and equipment. Whats left of fish is very little and they are just trying to hide and get by and live scope is just another further piece of technology to find all those last fish just barely hanging on. The idea of live scope is really cool but it's really messed up at the same time.
Uhhh. I'm kinda up in the air on that subject. I've never used livescope or any fish finder for that matter. Takes the natural born talent away from being a true fisherman. I'm the fish finder.😊. In a tournament situation, it should only be allowed for an allotted amount of time. Idk. That's just my opinion. Fish on.
Huh that was different
I don’t consider it cheating, but watching a livescoper is much less impressive and interesting
John here is the way I see it. Live Scope is more or less the same as baiting deer or bear. And we both know that is cheating. Using regular 2D Sonar, Sidescan, and Downscann is one thing. You still have to use the thing that God gave us. So my answer is Live Scope cheating? Yes, it is cheating. As fishermen it is up to us to use our brain and not technology to find fish. The only sonar that I use is 2D to locate bait and structure. It is up to me to find out what is on said structure. This is my sugar coated opinion.
Don’t think it’s cheating, but it takes away from the experience.
Ehh. It takes the adventure out of the title for me. But that’s just my opinion. I won’t hate on you if you use tech more but it’s not something I’m that interested in to be honest at this point. Just like with chasing whitetails, the big ones mean a lot more without the help of a camera. Maybe I’m just an Amish wannabe lol
livescopes same lazy category as peddle drive kayaks, just a bum way of doing things. In all seriousness you do you bothers me none. Just do think we spend some much time in our busy lives staring at a screen we miss so much going on around us - don’t wanna drag too much of the screen into my fishing time. I’ve always said you need some sort of sonar, even 2d for your tourney fishing - being able see water temp depth and structure is a plus -
Seems like cheatin to me but whadda I know?!
Cheating? Yeah just like a poacher spotlighting deer at night... Should be outlawed nationwide.
You people that think livescope makes catching so easy, that there is no skill or knowledge needed, obviously you have never used it
so true, so many people cant understand that
Yes
Computer fisherman no skills
Is it cheating? Yes absolutely it is. If you’re good enough, they’ll find you. If you suck, you have to go find them. Any freshwater fish can swim faster to a bait then it took me to write this comment. Fish finders and live bait are for lazy fat goofs who just want quick and easy results without the work that makes it sport.
i would disagree with you
Live scope doesn't help catch more fish. You still need to be able to get them a bite. I'm not sure I would use it, but I don't think you can actually "cheat" at fishing unless you're using techniques that are unlawful or against tournaments rules.
It literally allows you to see where the fish are. You don’t have to use knowledge to locate them. Such a dumb take.
If it didn't help catch more fish, it wouldn't be used. SMH
please don't turn into a spotlighter
honestly, i will not watch your channel any longer if you use livescope. i stopped watching bass master and mlf because of it. i dont watch any youtuber who uses it.
Livescope 🙄🤦♂️
Just because technology is there, doesn’t mean it’s a good thing for human-kind. How many more advantages do we humans need in Order to catch fish in their natural environments? Please don’t use livescope in your future videos. It would totally take the “Adventure”” out of Creek Fishing Adventures.
Ugh not into people seeing the fish they are after not really fishing in my opinion hope your not going in that direction these videos don't interest me.
Livescope may make it easier for the fisherman but it makes very boring TH-cam videos. I click off when I see the TH-camrs just staring at a screen the while time.
I think live scoop takes most of the skill out of fishing. It's like catching fish in a barrel. I have really enjoyed your channel and your laid back method of fishing (even bought a hat and shirt) but if you start live scooping I stop following you.
It’s not cheating however it doesn’t require any talent or knowledge to catch fish. Call me old school that’s ok
like fishing in a barrel not sportsman go to live scope and lose me
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