when I was 15 back in 1960 Minnesota. People with diesel cars/trucks would put about 10 percent regular gas in with the diesel(only in cold winter) to get the diesel to start easier but mainly to keep the fuel from jelling. yes it worked fine.
1980's Volkswagen diesel: owners manual recommended adding up to 10 per cent gasoline to the fuel when you knew the temp would be going below 30 F. I always did it and ran just fine. At 0 degrees F others were gelled and stalled at the side of the road, mine kept going. Not so sure I'd do it to my Duramax.
"Isuzu" engine... with the name "diesel tech" It is a join venture between GM and Isuzu... wow fail. And dmax it is own manufacture.... lol if you want a "ie" try ford engines ie, 100% international motors shoe horned into a pick up truck. Same reason why the powerjunk puts fuel into the motor for regen and dmax/cummins has another injector down in the exhaust.
Matt Lane You do know Ford has been making the own engines since the 6.4 right? The 6.0 was the last International engine to be put in a production Ford truck.
Great video but one bit advice from a career firefighter. Don't mess with fire with synthetic gloves on. I say that with the highest degree of respect.
We used to draft the coal fire with a sheet of newspaper and when it caught alight just quickly scrunch it out with our hands before it drew up the chimney. Other than a tingling sensation for a few minutes, we never had a burn or blister. When my girlfriends sister was visiting and was looking after the fire, she decided to protect her hands by wearing rubber gloves. I am sure that you can imagine what happened when she tried to put the paper out and it started melting and sticking to her gloves. Fortunately they did not catch alight, but the melted rubber left her with a few nasty burns that required a visit to the hospital. To us, such things as wearing jeans or denim shorts when we are at a barbecue is just common sense, but we have seen people turn up wearing flimsy nylon shorts. Needless to say, they look at us as if we are crazy when we warn them of the dangers. These days where few people use open fires in the house, we should be a lot safer. But since a lot of people now lack the experience of safely dealing with an open fire, their seems to be quite a few accidents that would not have happened in the past.
wilsjane You mean like this girl, who decided to pour gasoline on a dying bonfire in order to make s’mores? Only her feet were unburned: th-cam.com/video/q_Z_x4G_-fU/w-d-xo.html
My 98 Crown Vic was really low on gas once so I took one of the gas cans and filled the car so I could get to the station safely. Only thing is one was for the lawn mower (gasoline) and the other was for paint thinning (kerosine/diesel). Guess which one I poured in the tank! By the time I realized what I did it was all in there. I poured the other can in there to try and dilute it and well....she didn't like it...but she made it to the station and with a full tank of gas ran fine ever since.
I did a similar thing in the wife's PT Cruiser. Don't remember how much diesel I put in, 2-3 gallons I think. I finished filling with gas. And keep my foot in it and keep the revs high due to the sputtering. Was doing highway driving and on bridges so that helped a bit. Kept it topped off too. Never seemed to affect it long term.
Lighting stuff on fire to random bagpiper... sounds like a good day to me! :) When I was working as a mechanic years ago we got a lot of diesel VW's and Audi's that had gas put in them by accident, we got lucky on most of them and they only ran for a few minutes before the people realized what happen. Guess that's the issue of living in a state that the gas stations pump your fuel for you.
7 years ago my family was on a road trip and some lady didn't know how to pump gas so she open up the hood of the car it just started pouring gasoline onto the engine
If you make this mistake you can always add 2 cycle oil to the mix to get the lubricity back! works well as long as there is more Diesel than gas in the mix.
I mix a 50/50 ratio gas/diesel or Jet A to Flash 21 for making napalm. Gels up nicely for lighting logging slash piles. Gas lights easily, diesel burns slowly, and Flash 21 gels them up so you can handle the mixture. (Not at all relevant, but felt like sharing)
diesel will not burn "like a candle" as you stated in a jar unless it is heated first. Most #2 will not not emit enough flames until it reach 126 deg Fahrenheit or higher. Unless you add a wick of course
In my experience, all depends on the ratio of "wrong fuel" you have in the tank. Just a little gas in a diesel tank or vice versa you can get away with most of the time.If tank is full, DON'T START the engine! Have it towed to a garage!
In school we were told that gasoline doesn't atomize as well as diesel fuel. Older diesel engines have lower injection pressure and greater nozzle tolerances than that of newer engines, so if you were to put gas in a 12valve or a 7.3 Powerstroke then it might just run shitty. But if you were to put it in a newer diesel engine with lower injector tolerances and higher injection pressure (some as high as 20,000PSI) then you could blow your nozzle out of your injector and basically ruin your cylinders.
I put ethanol gas in my f250 because I make blended waste oil fuel. the ethanol melted my polyester fuel filters and shut my truck down on low fuel pressure. turns out the alchohol eats plastic.
I once tried using a mix of 15% gasoline and 85% heating oil (essentially the same as diesel) in a kerosene heater. It would burst into flame with a big pop when it ignited. The gas vapors still remain very volatile even when diluted with a heavier fuel.
a fellow trucker says he puts about a gallon of gas in his truck "each 150 gallon tank" to keep the fuel from jelling in cold weather. cheaper than fuel additive. also when they change fuel filters on these big trucks they fill the filter with ATF before screwing it on. they say it help clean the injectors.
In the old days we would mix diesel with petrol in winter to prevent the fuel from waxing up it fine to drive with in the fuel tank the fuel will mix due to the return flow of fuel
Hi Keith, you said, "return flow of fuel"? Is that the workings of all diesel fuel systems.. "return flow"? Isn't the cross-over line between the tanks valved off.. solenoid valves I would guess w/ switch in cab? Thanks
Not all the fuel that reaches the engine is use some of it flow back to the tank. It's a simple high pressure system Plus the sloshing about in the tank keeps it mixed
Putting gasoline into diesel creates a mixture that ignites more easily, but lowers it’s ability to lubricate an engine. Some truckers in the old days used to do this during the winter when diesel tended to gel to get their trucks started faster, but no manufacturer today recommends it.
I don't think a little would cause any real problems but it definitely made the diesel more flammable. It is hard to get diesel or kerosene to light unless it's atomized or on a wick of some sort. It wouldn't have normally just lit with a lighter like that.
I remember my dad adding gas to the diesel fuel, very low ratio to prevent an alge growth. I would think that this would be helpful in the winter to bring up the c-tane rating.
Years ago it was advisable to mix petrol with diesel, to stop the diesel from freezing in extreme winters. Additives in modern diesel negates this. Older diesel engines could run on any crap, like old chip fat, turpentine or kerosine, as long as every fourth fill was proper diesel, for lube purposes. Common rail engines would die very quickly if you used any of that stuff. As for the bagpipes, C'mon Scotland, FREEDOM
I worked on the Army base in Europe this summer as a consultant and had to deal with more than few instances where soldiers put petrol in diesel rental vans. I'm not gonna comment on what I think about that, let's just say you cannot miss the sticker on the cap outside on the bodywork and another hole next to the tank, not there in petrol cars. So, there were two ways of sorting it out - the usual and what we did. The usual way was to call the rental company, had that van towed and wait like a week or more to get it back. Of course there would be an extra charge over normal rental rate. What we did was bring the van to a nearby local army workshop where they drained the tank and sorted all other issues. Vans were mostly Fiat Multijets so a lot of petrol could actually break that system.
Our local Shell has 2 different size diesel spouts (one smaller for economy diesels, for some reason truckers always like to use the smaller one, takes them forever to fill up). You could definitely fill a gas tank with diesel.
Most stations have Diesel labeled in GREEN, however there are several places like Albertsons stations who label Regular in GREEN. If you are not paying attention, and going with instinct, this can happen to you.
Diesel has about twice the energy content of gasoline, but it isn't very volatile. When you mix gasoline with diesel you end up with a mix that is twice the energy content of gasoline and is volatile; not good. Also, gasoline acts as a solvent to diesel and does cut the lubricity. A good slug of gasoline will destroy high pressure pumps and injectors.
In the 80" I used to add diel to my gasoline for my high compression engine because 109 -110 octane was discontinued. I was able to get aviation fuel but that deemed costly and inconvenient.
Cool demonstration Brian. I can remember the odd time a new truck going down the line would have gas put in instead of diesel and some would fire up and run backwards HAHA Ya we just swapped it out and put a new one in. On the other hand out on the prairies when we had carbs on trucks I remember being told some farmers would fill up the gasoline tank on a chev 350 pickup and have it run on diesel all day because it was so much cheaper. Had to start it with gas but it ran all day on diesel. Many moons ago. LOL
An old school trick if you put gas in a diesel engine is to add a quart of engine oil per gallon of gas added. It'll take a while to start until the mixture is ran out but it can save a lot of headache.
I used to put a couple gallons of gas in my Dodge Cummins in the winter time to keep the fuel from gelling in the lines. Worked great and much cheaper than the additives...
Hello Brian, Rob from Australia (the old Massey Ferguson tractor number plate man). We had a two year old land Rover discovery TD (turbo diesel). About 5 years ago some idiot filled out tank with bad diesel. We had traveled 100ks and then it all stopped. Cost us $12K and had to replace, fuel tank, low and high pressure pumps, injectors and fuel return system. There were bits of metal right through he whole system. Very unhappy!
I never did it, but when I was young I drove long haul trucks to Canada in wintertime. I was based in Texas, down here they don't sell Number #1 diesel fuel. Not anymore. When I was a KID I saw it here, but not after I was grown. Back to that it a minute. But I knew a lot of truck operators that added GASOLINE to the diesel fuel to help prevent GELLING. Seemed to work for THEM, but I never did that. I used other products and of course once I got "up North" they sold NUMBER ONE diesel which of course is a better fuel than the #2 they sell down HERE. The number ONE all by itself was not prone to Gelling and just would perform better most escpecially when the temperature got BELOW ZERO F. But we used "Diesel Heet" a product brand name for ETHANOL. Though Ethanol RUINS Gas engines, especially the smaller they are, it would prevent Gelling and it would cause the water in the fuel, a SLIGHT amount of water, in Diesel Fuel to mix with the Fuel rather than be in SUSPENSION. At least that was what the maker claimed and it worked for ME. I used a LOT of it, put it in the TRUCK FUEL and the Reefer Unit Fuel. But otherwise, I would not put GASOLINE in a Diesel Truck of today, they are too EXPENSIVE and now they have ELECTRONICS I don't like on them. Back THEN in the 70's the diesel engines were ALL MECHANICAL. They had no "Electronics" involved with the ENGINE. They were SO MUCH less complicated and easier to WORK ON. The driver could CHEAT those Mechanical engines when the Alternator went out. Just take a 10 gauge WIRE and run it from the Hot Side on the REEFER Unit Battery and run it to the hot side on the Batteries that supplied the truck. It would run the LIGHTS and you could nurse it home. On a Cummins, we had to screw the nurled nob on the Injector Pump in all the way and that held the shut down valve open for it to RUN. Could limp home all the way. Had to put it in GEAR to kill it. BB
Were allowed to fly down to -40 up north with our JetA1 with ice additive but the manual says were allowed to add gasoline if we want to. I saw your Airbus shirt in the last video, The AS350 manuals say we can use Diesel or straight Gas in emergencies. It doesn't specify what those emergencies would be but the American Bell helicopter manuals are so much more fun with their vague get 'er done wording on mixing diesel and gas in cold weather. yee haw.
Motorcycle gas tanks can take either nozzle and I had a mate some years ago who topped his tank off with diesel instead of gas on a trip. He got about 60 miles down the road before he holed a piston.
Diesel in the oil pan can be detected by the ciggarett test. Place a ciggarett, end first, in a small amount of engine oil. Diesel fuel will creep up, oil pan oil will not.
I like the soundtrack. I clicked this video because my friend put gas in her Diesel engine. She feels horrible about it. I was starting to be a little less concerned when he said it happens all the time and the engines often survive, then he said unless it’s a Volkswagen. Oh crap! 😱 She has a Volkswagen. I don’t know how much gas she put in or how far she drove. We’re going to drain the tank and remove the fuel pump and tow it to her mechanic. She’s a very sweet woman. I hope she gets a miracle and her engine is not ruined.
I think the word you were looking for was "volatile" which, contrary to popular belief does not mean explosive but rather evaporative. And I used to drive a 1959 Pontiac which I mistakingly put about half a tank of dies fuel in. Detonation was out of control. It sounded like a washing machine with a bowling ball in it. I had to dump it or break the rods.. Horrible.
Dave B .......other way around it just didnt run good. because diesel wont ignite as good in gas engines and thinking a 59 pontiac thems old engines. you wont bank a con rod but itll run like trash till you put more gas in. detonation occurs with lower octane gas. impossible to "detonate" diesel fuel in a gas engine unles your compression ratio is from hell.
It was about 10:1 and the knocking was insane. You might think it won't detonate but I'm sure that's what was happening. I don't know what pressures and temps are needed to light off diesel but if you think about it, in a diesel engine it isn't until the compression is already near its peak that the fuel is injected and it immediately lights. I'm sure it would fire off way too early if it was aspirated in the air mix and then compressed like a gas/carburetor setup does. But that's my experience, seems he thought nobody could actually get diesel fuel in a gasoline car but any car prior to the introduction of unleaded gasoline has no restrictor in the filler neck.
Dave B diesel takes 22:1 compression ratio if very worn it barely burns at 14:1 usually its 22:1 or more compression ratio. no way 10:1 will ignite that. knocking derives off octane vs compression. higher compression engines require higher octane. octane measures the "explosiveness" or the ability to detonate. higher octane will not explode it burns. a slower release of energy. "knocking" refers to engine noise but can be cause by failing pushrods ticking or con bearings going out. detonation or firing before piston reaches TDC is not good. what you experienced was most likely "misfire" or the odd firing of pistons making the engine make noise and shaking the car. if it cant burn it it will spit it out. sometimes. here and there and that mimics severe running failure.
Dave B now if you put gas in diesel and run it in a moder diesel it will make the diesel knock. but putting a little diesel in a gas car will make it misfire and run poorly till gas is back in full.
But think about this. As you can see from this test, and any petroleum engineer will tell you, that the refining process is to take the most volatile spirits out first, as you raise the temperature each component of the crude will begin to vaporize, leaving only heavy asphalt at the end. So mixing diesel and gasoline does not prevent the gasoline from vaporizing. So you mix it in the tank of a 59 pontiac and suck it into the intake Now normally diesel when under low pressures will deflagrate, that is burn and not detonate. But the detonation can be instigated by a pressure increase for any cause. Similarly to how a smokeless rifle cartridge powder will deflagrate if put out in the open but will detonate when confined in the shell with the weight of the bullet creating a great backpressure, the pressure builds rapidly once ignited and it will detonate. This situation would use gasoline as the primer so to speak, and once ignited the pressures immediately increase to phenomenal levels, causing the heavier diesel fuel to detonate. I have been building engines all my life and the most common terms for detonation are knocking and pinging. But detonating is the technical term. I've replaced literally hundreds of plain bearings and replaced many many cranks so I know what I'm talking about, and I'm not talking about rod knock or bearing noise. I mean detonation, but I used the common term knocking. I can tell you I know what detonation sounds and feels like. And this was the worst case of it I have ever experienced. I'm not going to get into an argument over this, I thought I'd just add my experience to the discussion and if you don't like my explanation then think some more and come up with a better answer. But I know it was detonating. Now the old Pontiac motors were very robust and maybe a rod would not be the first thing to go but it was downright violent. Once the fuel was drained and gasoline was the only fuel in the tank peace returned, no rod knock and no bearing noise. I'll blame the high pressures that occur right after the gas vapors light off causing a detonation of the diesel. That's my final answer have a great day.
it's all about combustibility or octane/cetane. diesel is generally easier to ignite and will contain different detergents than gasoline because diesel engines rely on compression instead of spark. I would not suggest doing this if you value your pistons and valves.
Unfortunately my daughter 18 yrs old now borrowed my 2003 black caddy for the first time went to the nearest gas station and was able to fit the diesel pump nozzle into the gas tank opening. I was stunned to find out that not all gas stations have the safety feature of the diesel fuel nozzel having a wider diameter which won't fit into gas cars. Thank God I didn't give my daughter more than $15 for gas at Mobil Exxon station. I was able to siphon diesel out of tank with still some left over diesel then filled it with 3 gallons of 93 octane then bled the rest of diesel out thru top of engine injector bracket bleeder. Took me 4 hours to stop the white smoke from coming out. But there is still no solution to putting gas into a diesel tank.
When they switched to the new ultra-low-sulfer fuel in '07 my injection pump on my 5.9L took an immediate shit. Luckily it was still under warranty. Anyway, after I got my pump replaced, I started running a half-quart of ATF in my tank with each fill-up to lubricate the pump. I don't do that with my newer 6.7L because Cummins upgraded the pump to handle the new fuel.
I believe that the white ring along the top surface of the fuel is caused by water produced by the combustion of the fuel condensing on the cool surface of the jar.
I do remember my dad saying that if you put diesel in a gas tank, the engine won't run real good, but it will help loosen the carbon in the cylinders and valves.
Great video Brian - I learned alot. A Sno Cat ride to get in an insane powder run? Wow, awesome! I live in CA & have skied Tahoe, Whistler and Colorado. Looks like I'm missing out in there in Utah!
Mercedes Benz used to include a chart for adding gasoline to diesel in the owner's manual. Percentages varied from 1% to 5% by volume depending temperature to prevent jellying in cold weather. Using avgas in jet fuel or using a small amount of gasoline in the crankcase oil of WW2 era radial engines was also a common practice. Popular diesel fuel additives are mostly petroleum distillates and are added in small amounts to receive benefit and to minimize lubricity loss. Be very careful before you try playing home chemist with modern diesel engines.
that bagpiper woke up this mornin and was like im just gonna play all day i knoe someones makin a youtube or igram vid, maybe ill be heard and signed..!
pretty simple, first you need to make the difference between fire point and flash point. One will continue to burn at least 5sec by itself and the other will not. in this case it's the fire point that interest us, wich is app. 10 degree C over the flash point. So diesel is at 62 degrees C while gas is -35 degree C. Now to have a combustion you need 3 things, something that burn(fuel,wood,name it), air(in a certain ratio considering what you are burning) and finally an ignition source. So the reason you have to litteraly touch the diesel with the lighter to ignite it is because you actually vaporize it first, once in vapor there's enough air so the combustion happen.
If you have old type diesel injection pump (inline-injection pump) gasoline mixed with diesel shouldn’t cause much damage. Distribution (rotary) pumps, unit injector, and especially common rail setups are way more likely to get damaged.
That's what I've heard. Tolerances are much closer in modern pumps, and while you can't feel the difference in lubricity with your fingers, it can make quite a difference when under high pressures. It's a bit like getting gas in your engine oil (and a little gas isn't uncommon) - a bit blowing past the rings won't make a noticeable difference in the short term, but I sure wouldn't want to run it in my engine too long.
Not really a surprise. It would have to settle out while the tank was drained which would be hard to do with the fuel return and the movement of driving to even possibly have ever been an issue. Cutting diesel with kerosene or such is pretty standard thing to do when it's extremely cold.
I like experiments, back when gas hit over $4 per gallon I ran 50/50 gas & used motor oil in lawn mowers, cold starts were hard, it ran better when hot had maybe 20% less power, oil fowled the sparkplug when trying to restart it and smoked like a crop duster.
Speaking of lubricity, there are actually additives you can get for diesel fuel to improve the lubricity that apparently quiet down the injection pump (I want to try some in my Jetta TDI, but I'm a poor college student, so I'm being cheap).... Now, I'd be curious if you mix enough in if that could cause there to be no damage to the diesel fuel system... Well, I guess that's probably not the case as the ethanol is probably going to ruin seals... But to see how well the compression ignition would work for gasoline would be interesting. I know GM is working on something, but I don't really understand the specifics of why compression ignition gasoline engines are so difficult to produce.
when I was 15 back in 1960 Minnesota. People with diesel cars/trucks would put about 10 percent regular gas in with the diesel(only in cold winter) to get the diesel to start easier but mainly to keep the fuel from jelling. yes it worked fine.
A Diesel Mech told me once a month he would do 5%-10% mix to clean injectors.
The winter mix makes sense.
I wish I had live music for my videos.
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Bagpipe background music is a nice touch!
Nothing better than the Pipes! Scotland forever.
Nothing wrong with pipes! Ireland forever
1980's Volkswagen diesel: owners manual recommended adding up to 10 per cent gasoline to the fuel when you knew the temp would be going below 30 F. I always did it and ran just fine. At 0 degrees F others were gelled and stalled at the side of the road, mine kept going. Not so sure I'd do it to my Duramax.
SamFixit Guy never ever do that to your Duramax ie: Isuzu engine.
"Isuzu" engine... with the name "diesel tech" It is a join venture between GM and Isuzu... wow fail. And dmax it is own manufacture.... lol if you want a "ie" try ford engines ie, 100% international motors shoe horned into a pick up truck. Same reason why the powerjunk puts fuel into the motor for regen and dmax/cummins has another injector down in the exhaust.
Matt Lane You do know Ford has been making the own engines since the 6.4 right? The 6.0 was the last International engine to be put in a production Ford truck.
6.4 is not a ford engine, the only engine ford has made is the 6.7. 6.4 was a maxxforce 7 motor. lol.
Wow, I've never even heard of "MaxxForce" lol. Thanks for pointing that out.
Great video but one bit advice from a career firefighter. Don't mess with fire with synthetic gloves on. I say that with the highest degree of respect.
We used to draft the coal fire with a sheet of newspaper and when it caught alight just quickly scrunch it out with our hands before it drew up the chimney.
Other than a tingling sensation for a few minutes, we never had a burn or blister.
When my girlfriends sister was visiting and was looking after the fire, she decided to protect her hands by wearing rubber gloves. I am sure that you can imagine what happened when she tried to put the paper out and it started melting and sticking to her gloves. Fortunately they did not catch alight, but the melted rubber left her with a few nasty burns that required a visit to the hospital.
To us, such things as wearing jeans or denim shorts when we are at a barbecue is just common sense, but we have seen people turn up wearing flimsy nylon shorts. Needless to say, they look at us as if we are crazy when we warn them of the dangers.
These days where few people use open fires in the house, we should be a lot safer. But since a lot of people now lack the experience of safely dealing with an open fire, their seems to be quite a few accidents that would not have happened in the past.
wilsjane You mean like this girl, who decided to pour gasoline on a dying bonfire in order to make s’mores? Only her feet were unburned: th-cam.com/video/q_Z_x4G_-fU/w-d-xo.html
Marcos Mota That was rough. Poor girl battled for 16 months before dying. I can’t even imagine the pain and suffering...
*@**3:04** VOLATILE*
Yes, volatile. Diesel isn't as volatile as gasoline.
DANG IT!! You beat me to it!
You mean an old one-eyed mechanic is faster than a Deere?
Hey, nothing runs like Deere! Nobody said anything about 'em being fast!
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I feel a fever and the only cure is more bagpipes.
My 98 Crown Vic was really low on gas once so I took one of the gas cans and filled the car so I could get to the station safely. Only thing is one was for the lawn mower (gasoline) and the other was for paint thinning (kerosine/diesel). Guess which one I poured in the tank!
By the time I realized what I did it was all in there.
I poured the other can in there to try and dilute it and well....she didn't like it...but she made it to the station and with a full tank of gas ran fine ever since.
I did a similar thing in the wife's PT Cruiser. Don't remember how much diesel I put in, 2-3 gallons I think. I finished filling with gas. And keep my foot in it and keep the revs high due to the sputtering. Was doing highway driving and on bridges so that helped a bit. Kept it topped off too. Never seemed to affect it long term.
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Fire, a pickle jar, bag pipes and skiing, hard to not have a good video with that combination.
Sorry but that bag pipes in the back ground is hilarious lol
Only because the best videos are full on Scotch.
Right!
My Road Tours as a Scotsman, this pleased me very much.
Not everyday you get bagpipes.
Lighting stuff on fire to random bagpiper... sounds like a good day to me! :)
When I was working as a mechanic years ago we got a lot of diesel VW's and Audi's that had gas put in them by accident, we got lucky on most of them and they only ran for a few minutes before the people realized what happen. Guess that's the issue of living in a state that the gas stations pump your fuel for you.
7 years ago my family was on a road trip and some lady didn't know how to pump gas so she open up the hood of the car it just started pouring gasoline onto the engine
If you make this mistake you can always add 2 cycle oil to the mix to get the lubricity back!
works well as long as there is more Diesel than gas in the mix.
I have heard in the great north, farther than you, they put 1/3 tank gas in their tank when they fill up in the winter time to keep fuel from gelling.
I mix a 50/50 ratio gas/diesel or Jet A to Flash 21 for making napalm. Gels up nicely for lighting logging slash piles. Gas lights easily, diesel burns slowly, and Flash 21 gels them up so you can handle the mixture.
(Not at all relevant, but felt like sharing)
XxKPOPxX if you take a couple styrofoam ice chests the cheap ones and dissolve it in the mix u will get actual napalm almost impossible to put out
I do this for a job, look up Flash 21.
XxKPOPxX and in other news, children randomly start making napalm in their garages at home. 🤣🤣🤣
Do I need to get a retroactive security clearance?
XxKPOPxX Thanks 🙏 good one 💯
diesel will not burn "like a candle" as you stated in a jar unless it is heated first. Most #2 will not not emit enough flames until it reach 126 deg Fahrenheit or higher. Unless you add a wick of course
In my experience, all depends on the ratio of "wrong fuel" you have in the tank. Just a little gas in a diesel tank or vice versa you can get away with most of the time.If tank is full, DON'T START the engine! Have it towed to a garage!
In school we were told that gasoline doesn't atomize as well as diesel fuel. Older diesel engines have lower injection pressure and greater nozzle tolerances than that of newer engines, so if you were to put gas in a 12valve or a 7.3 Powerstroke then it might just run shitty. But if you were to put it in a newer diesel engine with lower injector tolerances and higher injection pressure (some as high as 20,000PSI) then you could blow your nozzle out of your injector and basically ruin your cylinders.
I put ethanol gas in my f250 because I make blended waste oil fuel. the ethanol melted my polyester fuel filters and shut my truck down on low fuel pressure. turns out the alchohol eats plastic.
Thanks bro I just did this at work 8 gal 40 gallon tank so far its going fine ,I'm still freekin out though
I once tried using a mix of 15% gasoline and 85% heating oil (essentially the same as diesel) in a kerosene heater. It would burst into flame with a big pop when it ignited. The gas vapors still remain very volatile even when diluted with a heavier fuel.
a fellow trucker says he puts about a gallon of gas in his truck "each 150 gallon tank" to keep the fuel from jelling in cold weather. cheaper than fuel additive. also when they change fuel filters on these big trucks they fill the filter with ATF before screwing it on. they say it help clean the injectors.
Awesome background music, and skiing.
🤙thanks!
didnt have to edit the video for the music because the piper himself give free music
In the old days we would mix diesel with petrol in winter to prevent the fuel from waxing up it fine to drive with in the fuel tank the fuel will mix due to the return flow of fuel
Hi Keith, you said, "return flow of fuel"? Is that the workings of all diesel fuel systems.. "return flow"? Isn't the cross-over line between the tanks valved off.. solenoid valves I would guess w/ switch in cab? Thanks
Not all the fuel that reaches the engine is use some of it flow back to the tank. It's a simple high pressure system
Plus the sloshing about in the tank keeps it mixed
Putting gasoline into diesel creates a mixture that ignites more easily, but lowers it’s ability to lubricate an engine. Some truckers in the old days used to do this during the winter when diesel tended to gel to get their trucks started faster, but no manufacturer today recommends it.
"They were just saying good bye in their own way, playing outlawed tunes, on outlawed pipes."
Lol, love the bagpipes. Was that outside your house??
I don't think a little would cause any real problems but it definitely made the diesel more flammable. It is hard to get diesel or kerosene to light unless it's atomized or on a wick of some sort. It wouldn't have normally just lit with a lighter like that.
My HOA prohibits bagpipes.
I remember my dad adding gas to the diesel fuel, very low ratio to prevent an alge growth. I would think that this would be helpful in the winter to bring up the c-tane rating.
Years ago it was advisable to mix petrol with diesel, to stop the diesel from freezing in extreme winters. Additives in modern diesel negates this. Older diesel engines could run on any crap, like old chip fat, turpentine or kerosine, as long as every fourth fill was proper diesel, for lube purposes. Common rail engines would die very quickly if you used any of that stuff. As for the bagpipes, C'mon Scotland, FREEDOM
DUDE THAT F150 WAS SHREDDING THE MOUNTAIN!!!!
thumbs up for bag pipe player!
The word I believe you're looking for is "volatile" or possibly "flammable".
I worked on the Army base in Europe this summer as a consultant and had to deal with more than few instances where soldiers put petrol in diesel rental vans. I'm not gonna comment on what I think about that, let's just say you cannot miss the sticker on the cap outside on the bodywork and another hole next to the tank, not there in petrol cars. So, there were two ways of sorting it out - the usual and what we did. The usual way was to call the rental company, had that van towed and wait like a week or more to get it back. Of course there would be an extra charge over normal rental rate. What we did was bring the van to a nearby local army workshop where they drained the tank and sorted all other issues. Vans were mostly Fiat Multijets so a lot of petrol could actually break that system.
It just hit me as hilarious when Brian starts in telling us about his experiment , and I start to hear bagpipes in the background.
dont catch fire ok be safe
Love your F150 editing
Our local Shell has 2 different size diesel spouts (one smaller for economy diesels, for some reason truckers always like to use the smaller one, takes them forever to fill up). You could definitely fill a gas tank with diesel.
Most stations have Diesel labeled in GREEN, however there are several places like Albertsons stations who label Regular in GREEN. If you are not paying attention, and going with instinct, this can happen to you.
That was some beautiful Powder at the end
Diesel has about twice the energy content of gasoline, but it isn't very volatile. When you mix gasoline with diesel you end up with a mix that is twice the energy content of gasoline and is volatile; not good. Also, gasoline acts as a solvent to diesel and does cut the lubricity. A good slug of gasoline will destroy high pressure pumps and injectors.
Some people wonder what's worn under a kilt.Nothing-mine works fine.
that bagpiper is a savage
@Briansmobile1 Diesel and gas fuel is being used in experiments for the DoE, namely "RCCI engine" look it up on YT.
In the 80" I used to add diel to my gasoline for my high compression engine because 109 -110 octane was discontinued.
I was able to get aviation fuel but that deemed costly and inconvenient.
Cool demonstration Brian. I can remember the odd time a new truck going down the line would have gas put in instead of diesel and some would fire up and run backwards HAHA Ya we just swapped it out and put a new one in. On the other hand out on the prairies when we had carbs on trucks I remember being told some farmers would fill up the gasoline tank on a chev 350 pickup and have it run on diesel all day because it was so much cheaper. Had to start it with gas but it ran all day on diesel. Many moons ago. LOL
An old school trick if you put gas in a diesel engine is to add a quart of engine oil per gallon of gas added. It'll take a while to start until the mixture is ran out but it can save a lot of headache.
I have a friend who put diesel in his Goldwing motorcycle. Twice. Had to drain the fuel tank.
The white foam was the diesel warming up to its flashpoint. Good thing you lidded it when you did.
I used to put a couple gallons of gas in my Dodge Cummins in the winter time to keep the fuel from gelling in the lines. Worked great and much cheaper than the additives...
"Just given er" So hick. So Canadian. I can't help but laugh.
this video oddly made me thirty when you poured the diesel
I felt 25
when you said underground rivers you sounded more Irish than Mexican lol
An old truck driver's trick to keep fuel from gelling in winter was to put some gas in it.
If it's a newer car, put some 2 stroke oil in it and run it
Now 10% diesel 90% gas and light it live.
Hello Brian, Rob from Australia (the old Massey Ferguson tractor number plate man). We had a two year old land Rover discovery TD (turbo diesel). About 5 years ago some idiot filled out tank with bad diesel. We had traveled 100ks and then it all stopped. Cost us $12K and had to replace, fuel tank, low and high pressure pumps, injectors and fuel return system. There were bits of metal right through he whole system. Very unhappy!
If you could Make it up,Your a better Man than I,,,Good Job.
I believe "Volatile" is the word you were searching for.
intro scared the crap outta me
Famous last words in Texas, "Hold my beer while I light this fuse!!!"
I never did it, but when I was young I drove long haul trucks to Canada in wintertime. I was based in Texas, down here they don't sell Number #1 diesel fuel. Not anymore. When I was a KID I saw it here, but not after I was grown. Back to that it a minute.
But I knew a lot of truck operators that added GASOLINE to the diesel fuel to help prevent GELLING. Seemed to work for THEM, but I never did that. I used other products and of course once I got "up North" they sold NUMBER ONE diesel which of course is a better fuel than the #2 they sell down HERE. The number ONE all by itself was not prone to Gelling and just would perform better most escpecially when the temperature got BELOW ZERO F. But we used "Diesel Heet" a product brand name for ETHANOL. Though Ethanol RUINS Gas engines, especially the smaller they are, it would prevent Gelling and it would cause the water in the fuel, a SLIGHT amount of water, in Diesel Fuel to mix with the Fuel rather than be in SUSPENSION. At least that was what the maker claimed and it worked for ME. I used a LOT of it, put it in the TRUCK FUEL and the Reefer Unit Fuel.
But otherwise, I would not put GASOLINE in a Diesel Truck of today, they are too EXPENSIVE and now they have ELECTRONICS I don't like on them. Back THEN in the 70's the diesel engines were ALL MECHANICAL. They had no "Electronics" involved with the ENGINE. They were SO MUCH less complicated and easier to WORK ON. The driver could CHEAT those Mechanical engines when the Alternator went out. Just take a 10 gauge WIRE and run it from the Hot Side on the REEFER Unit Battery and run it to the hot side on the Batteries that supplied the truck. It would run the LIGHTS and you could nurse it home. On a Cummins, we had to screw the nurled nob on the Injector Pump in all the way and that held the shut down valve open for it to RUN. Could limp home all the way. Had to put it in GEAR to kill it. BB
Volatile is the word you're looking for as in volatile organic compounds
Were allowed to fly down to -40 up north with our JetA1 with ice additive but the manual says were allowed to add gasoline if we want to. I saw your Airbus shirt in the last video, The AS350 manuals say we can use Diesel or straight Gas in emergencies. It doesn't specify what those emergencies would be but the American Bell helicopter manuals are so much more fun with their vague get 'er done wording on mixing diesel and gas in cold weather. yee haw.
loving the bag pipes
6:39 "I'm a giraffe!" Guy flys by
Motorcycle gas tanks can take either nozzle and I had a mate some years ago who topped his tank off with diesel instead of gas on a trip. He got about 60 miles down the road before he holed a piston.
Diesel in the oil pan can be detected by the ciggarett test. Place a ciggarett, end first, in a small amount of engine oil. Diesel fuel will creep up, oil pan oil will not.
I like the soundtrack.
I clicked this video because my friend put gas in her Diesel engine. She feels horrible about it. I was starting to be a little less concerned when he said it happens all the time and the engines often survive, then he said unless it’s a Volkswagen. Oh crap! 😱 She has a Volkswagen. I don’t know how much gas she put in or how far she drove. We’re going to drain the tank and remove the fuel pump and tow it to her mechanic.
She’s a very sweet woman. I hope she gets a miracle and her engine is not ruined.
I think the word you were looking for was "volatile" which, contrary to popular belief does not mean explosive but rather evaporative. And I used to drive a 1959 Pontiac which I mistakingly put about half a tank of dies fuel in. Detonation was out of control. It sounded like a washing machine with a bowling ball in it. I had to dump it or break the rods.. Horrible.
Dave B .......other way around it just didnt run good. because diesel wont ignite as good in gas engines and thinking a 59 pontiac thems old engines. you wont bank a con rod but itll run like trash till you put more gas in. detonation occurs with lower octane gas. impossible to "detonate" diesel fuel in a gas engine unles your compression ratio is from hell.
It was about 10:1 and the knocking was insane. You might think it won't detonate but I'm sure that's what was happening. I don't know what pressures and temps are needed to light off diesel but if you think about it, in a diesel engine it isn't until the compression is already near its peak that the fuel is injected and it immediately lights. I'm sure it would fire off way too early if it was aspirated in the air mix and then compressed like a gas/carburetor setup does. But that's my experience, seems he thought nobody could actually get diesel fuel in a gasoline car but any car prior to the introduction of unleaded gasoline has no restrictor in the filler neck.
Dave B diesel takes 22:1 compression ratio if very worn it barely burns at 14:1 usually its 22:1 or more compression ratio. no way 10:1 will ignite that. knocking derives off octane vs compression. higher compression engines require higher octane. octane measures the "explosiveness" or the ability to detonate. higher octane will not explode it burns. a slower release of energy. "knocking" refers to engine noise but can be cause by failing pushrods ticking or con bearings going out. detonation or firing before piston reaches TDC is not good. what you experienced was most likely "misfire" or the odd firing of pistons making the engine make noise and shaking the car. if it cant burn it it will spit it out. sometimes. here and there and that mimics severe running failure.
Dave B now if you put gas in diesel and run it in a moder diesel it will make the diesel knock. but putting a little diesel in a gas car will make it misfire and run poorly till gas is back in full.
But think about this. As you can see from this test, and any petroleum engineer will tell you, that the refining process is to take the most volatile spirits out first, as you raise the temperature each component of the crude will begin to vaporize, leaving only heavy asphalt at the end. So mixing diesel and gasoline does not prevent the gasoline from vaporizing. So you mix it in the tank of a 59 pontiac and suck it into the intake
Now normally diesel when under low pressures will deflagrate, that is burn and not detonate. But the detonation can be instigated by a pressure increase for any cause. Similarly to how a smokeless rifle cartridge powder will deflagrate if put out in the open but will detonate when confined in the shell with the weight of the bullet creating a great backpressure, the pressure builds rapidly once ignited and it will detonate. This situation would use gasoline as the primer so to speak, and once ignited the pressures immediately increase to phenomenal levels, causing the heavier diesel fuel to detonate. I have been building engines all my life and the most common terms for detonation are knocking and pinging. But detonating is the technical term. I've replaced literally hundreds of plain bearings and replaced many many cranks so I know what I'm talking about, and I'm not talking about rod knock or bearing noise. I mean detonation, but I used the common term knocking. I can tell you I know what detonation sounds and feels like. And this was the worst case of it I have ever experienced. I'm not going to get into an argument over this, I thought I'd just add my experience to the discussion and if you don't like my explanation then think some more and come up with a better answer. But I know it was detonating. Now the old Pontiac motors were very robust and maybe a rod would not be the first thing to go but it was downright violent. Once the fuel was drained and gasoline was the only fuel in the tank peace returned, no rod knock and no bearing noise. I'll blame the high pressures that occur right after the gas vapors light off causing a detonation of the diesel. That's my final answer have a great day.
it's all about combustibility or octane/cetane. diesel is generally easier to ignite and will contain different detergents than gasoline because diesel engines rely on compression instead of spark. I would not suggest doing this if you value your pistons and valves.
Great bagpipe music. Thanks for the video... a classic.
DPS skis = money well spent! congrats Brian.
Mmm, bagpipes and pyro stuff in one video. Excellent!
Unfortunately my daughter 18 yrs old now borrowed my 2003 black caddy for the first time went to the nearest gas station and was able to fit the diesel pump nozzle into the gas tank opening. I was stunned to find out that not all gas stations have the safety feature of the diesel fuel nozzel having a wider diameter which won't fit into gas cars. Thank God I didn't give my daughter more than $15 for gas at Mobil Exxon station. I was able to siphon diesel out of tank with still some left over diesel then filled it with 3 gallons of 93 octane then bled the rest of diesel out thru top of engine injector bracket bleeder. Took me 4 hours to stop the white smoke from coming out. But there is still no solution to putting gas into a diesel tank.
When they switched to the new ultra-low-sulfer fuel in '07 my injection pump on my 5.9L took an immediate shit. Luckily it was still under warranty. Anyway, after I got my pump replaced, I started running a half-quart of ATF in my tank with each fill-up to lubricate the pump. I don't do that with my newer 6.7L because Cummins upgraded the pump to handle the new fuel.
I believe that the white ring along the top surface of the fuel is caused by water produced by the combustion of the fuel condensing on the cool surface of the jar.
With the bag pipes playing, you should've put the mix in a container with a little boat....then had a funeral fit for a viking
Aaaaaaaahahahahaha
one of my first jobs was at a truck stop. In the winter time I would see truckers at gas 1 to 10 to their fuel to prevent it from gelling.
just dump in some motor oil to thicken it up
I do remember my dad saying that if you put diesel in a gas tank, the engine won't run real good, but it will help loosen the carbon in the cylinders and valves.
there is a reason why firemen here in norway always mix diesel and gasoline when they teach school kids how to use a fire extinguisher on it.
Great video Brian - I learned alot. A Sno Cat ride to get in an insane powder run? Wow, awesome! I live in CA & have skied Tahoe, Whistler and Colorado. Looks like I'm missing out in there in Utah!
word you was looking for is flammable!
Volatile. The word you were looking for?
wildland firefighters mix gas and diesel for drip torch fuel. it's good fun!
It lowers the flash point of the ULSD. It can cause the damage due to detonation.
Mercedes Benz used to include a chart for adding gasoline to diesel in the owner's manual. Percentages varied from 1% to 5% by volume depending temperature to prevent jellying in cold weather. Using avgas in jet fuel or using a small amount of gasoline in the crankcase oil of WW2 era radial engines was also a common practice. Popular diesel fuel additives are mostly petroleum distillates and are added in small amounts to receive benefit and to minimize lubricity loss. Be very careful before you try playing home chemist with modern diesel engines.
Just LOVE 😍 those - "BAG PIPES", Perfect background - Audio!!
volatile
that bagpiper woke up this mornin and was like im just gonna play all day i knoe someones makin a youtube or igram vid, maybe ill be heard and signed..!
I was asking myself the title question... I was like, "Uh, drip torch fuel?"
Hopefully youtube doesn't get you for copyright for the bag piper. I think I've heard that song before. haha. good video Brian.
pretty simple, first you need to make the difference between fire point and flash point. One will continue to burn at least 5sec by itself and the other will not. in this case it's the fire point that interest us, wich is app. 10 degree C over the flash point. So diesel is at 62 degrees C while gas is -35 degree C. Now to have a combustion you need 3 things, something that burn(fuel,wood,name it), air(in a certain ratio considering what you are burning) and finally an ignition source. So the reason you have to litteraly touch the diesel with the lighter to ignite it is because you actually vaporize it first, once in vapor there's enough air so the combustion happen.
If you have old type diesel injection pump (inline-injection pump) gasoline mixed with diesel shouldn’t cause much damage.
Distribution (rotary) pumps, unit injector, and especially common rail setups are way more likely to get damaged.
That's what I've heard. Tolerances are much closer in modern pumps, and while you can't feel the difference in lubricity with your fingers, it can make quite a difference when under high pressures. It's a bit like getting gas in your engine oil (and a little gas isn't uncommon) - a bit blowing past the rings won't make a noticeable difference in the short term, but I sure wouldn't want to run it in my engine too long.
Not really a surprise. It would have to settle out while the tank was drained which would be hard to do with the fuel return and the movement of driving to even possibly have ever been an issue.
Cutting diesel with kerosene or such is pretty standard thing to do when it's extremely cold.
I like experiments, back when gas hit over $4 per gallon I ran 50/50 gas & used motor oil in lawn mowers, cold starts were hard, it ran better when hot had maybe 20% less power, oil fowled the sparkplug when trying to restart it and smoked like a crop duster.
AdirondackNY and you ran all the particulate matter from the used oil through your engines!
Filtered oil though. And it was through lawn mowers...
it slightly increases flammability. fire fighters use it in their drip torches.
Speaking of lubricity, there are actually additives you can get for diesel fuel to improve the lubricity that apparently quiet down the injection pump (I want to try some in my Jetta TDI, but I'm a poor college student, so I'm being cheap).... Now, I'd be curious if you mix enough in if that could cause there to be no damage to the diesel fuel system... Well, I guess that's probably not the case as the ethanol is probably going to ruin seals... But to see how well the compression ignition would work for gasoline would be interesting. I know GM is working on something, but I don't really understand the specifics of why compression ignition gasoline engines are so difficult to produce.