Spider Man: No Way Home - Caravan of Garbage
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- Despite numerous stumbling blocks leading up to the release of No Way Home including a temporary ending to the MCU/Disney and Sony deal, Covid protocols and the uncertainty that both Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield would be willing to return. But it all worked out in the end with a pretty crowdpleasing experience at the time and a box office to the tune of 1.9 billion dollars. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review
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I think the biggest takeaway from this trilogy, what we should remember the most, is that James had a grand time in Italy.
I wonder if he managed to watch Iron Man while there though?
@@aleckgardner6845 I don’t think he did, he would’ve said so
@@aleckgardner6845James is the type of guy to go to Italy, only to try and find a cinema that played an english dubbed version of Iron Man. it's a good thing he didn't though, otherwise he would've mentioned it
He's a man of the world, unlike Mason, who has never left Melbourne.
Mamma Mia!
I loved when The Lizard said, "I have a reptile dysfunction!"
I 💘 when Doc Ock says "How does it feel Norman? You're about to be hole again?"
Happy Valentine's Day to Green Goblin & Doc Octopus 💕💘
Hehe
lol
Honestly, I half believe it. I could absolutely see that line being in the film.
Then reptiled about
I would have given this movie 15/10 if the Lizard wore a lab coat for the majority of his screen time.
Or at the least had a snout. Or if Sandman had any features at all. Or if any of the Spider-Men wore their mask at all. Or ect, ect, x20
Lol
It gets a 15/10 for me just because they finally made Electro yellow lol
Or, If MORBIUS Was There?
@@fuegodrinkscauseusuck6100 But then how could you tell when it was an actor and when it was a cg puppet that moves completely differently?
I never understood his catchphrase "I'm the Lizard and I live in a van" until this movie. So props to them for that.
Matt Foley
Isn't the actor kind of a creep in real life? Maybe the van is fitting.
@@SockBramson_as the son of Satan that makes sense for him
@@jordault3321 @SockBramson_ where the hell did you get that?
Marisa Tomei is an anagram of "itsa me, Mario"!
Can't believe they never mention it on any of the 3 spidertrivia hometrivias :(
leave it to Mr. Scumbag Movies to keep this information to himself!!
Nintendo would be demanding a huge % of the profits
It's because they don't know.
Still doesn't beat Clint Eastwood being an anagram of Old West Action
@@ritwikismand Serj Tankian is "Ski eatin jars".
"They visit the train from spiderman 2" "oh the famous secret train laboratory?"
Brilliant
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
@@afellowpotato thanks potato 🥔
🥔
I still remember hearing people in the theater burst out laughing when the movie ended with "Dedicated to the original true believer...Avi Arad". The absolute brass on Sony to end this using a classic phrase from the deceased Stan Lee to compliment a living man who famously damaged prior Spidey movies with his interferences.
I’d forgotten about that, the audacity of Sony sometimes…
I had no idea about this, that's hysterical and depressing
I literally shouted 'lol, what?!' when that popped up.
disappointed to find out that he was/is still alive despite the weight of that dedication
@@Gregatron27The magic
science machine just sitting in the corner of the apt annoyed me. It was literally an ex machina machine
"They got rid of the You Killed Mysterio plot in 8 minutes."
And the "Don't tell Aunt May" plot in one minute.
Movie is nowhere near as awful or amazing as the two warring sides on Twitter keep screaming it is. There's nothing dumber than how Sony handled that Vulture scene though.
Give Sony some time. They'll top themselves.
It is amazing because it's a miracle that 3 big corporations studios like Disney, Marvel and sony were able to make a Spider-Man movie and actually unite the various warring factions of the Spider-Man fanbase for a couple of months that's why it's amazing because it didn't destroy the franchise like other franchises have
Madame Web is surely going to top it
Yeah, it's a solid 7, to a light 8. Fun, and definitely impressive that they could do that with the 20 some years of films.
But lots of flaws and moving parts that don't quite mesh... It could have been a better movie, but it has its highs and more of them than lows.
@@sharkpoems4617John Campea just said that it “f-ing sucks!!” last night in his out of theater review. Yeah. It’s beyond garbage.
Nothing to do with the quality of the movie but Garfield’s delivery of “Peter 3!” is incredible
PeTeR tHrEe!
My favorite line read has to be Tobey's "It was heartbreaking. [sad head shake]" after detailing that Harry had died in his arms after trying to kill him.
I actually love that this movie kinda started the redemption arc for Garfield as Spidey, he took a lot of stick because his movies were ass but he was never the problem.
💯
I’m just looking forward to what James and Maso have to say about Madam Web
It's Webruary baby!
I don't understand why anyone would even put themselves through it. Even if you made a living off of TH-cam. Not worth it, lol.
How long before we get a Caravan of Garbage of that do you reckon? I seriously don't want to watch that movie. 😂
They probably will acknowledge that Madame Web is a very dynamic character
@@sain1536they’re 100% gonna cover it this Monday on the weekly planet
Honestly it’s a surprise this film is as competent as it is if you look into the making of it, actors weren’t signed on until week of filming, constant rewrites, covid precautions and Sony moving this before Dr Strange 2. Ultimately it works for me as Holland still has a personal story and the cameos are handled well, so I can look past the weird parts like Ned having powers and the whole moving having a weak set up that could be solved in a conversation between Peter and Strange
Although it is a bit weak honestly it works with the character growth. Peter realizes the danger being Spider-Man poses towards those he loves. That danger won’t just go away even if this current situation is resolved. IE simply wishing away the problem while still allowing them in his life would be like putting new paint on a wrecked car.
PLUS THEY PUT TOGETHER THE RAIMI SPIDERVERSE (wasn't supposed to be connected to another universe) WITH THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN VERSE (also wasn't supposed to be connected to another universe and also was bad) WITH THE MCU!!! THAT'S INSANE AND IMPOSSIBLE AND THEY PULLED IT OFF!!!
Sure, Dr Strange fucked up the spell by being an idiot, bumbling into it without talking to Peter first, but that's a pretty small problem in the overall scheme of things.
@SchulzEricT How is it "insane and impossible" exactly? They just reused characters from those movies and told us they're from an alternate dimension, it's not like they folded them in at all organically. They could do the same with any other movie ever made. Like C-3PO could have just shown up and they say "wow, like from the Star Wars universe!" and wow cool now Star Wars is in the MCU
Oh man, Ned with magic powers was so cringe. I felt like I was watching Wizards of Waverly Place.
Putting “competent” as a review quote on the poster of this movie means it sucks, you don’t even like it
I love when they leave in James gasping for air
With the inserts of SpongeBob, yes! I crack up every time.
Do you know where examples of that are in the video? I didn’t notice them
@@josephstone4842I don’t feel like going through the whole video but it’s when they flash SpongeBob up for a second
23:14
I remember when the movie wasn't out yet and everyone was theorizing about why Dr. Strange would suddenly do something as stupid as almost destroy the multiverse for a kid he barely knew.
Like maybe it was Evil Strange from What If...
Turns out, nope, he really is that stupid.
I think Mason is bang on, that it's about his ego and proving he is the sorcerer supreme, like a regular sorcerer but with sour cream and diced tomatoes.
Strange has to figure out how to magic the escaped villains from Peter's rolodex back to their universes, so he puts Spider-Man on cleanup.
It's at least internally consistent. Peter beat all of them in each movie. Each has a motivation that makes sense. Mostly. Doc Ock still doesn't but don't worry about it.
It could have been so bad.
"Say the line, Bart."
BART (sadly): I'm something of a scientist myself.
YAY!!!!!
I actually got a good chuckle out of this line, not because it's a thing I recognise, but because it suggests that, even though he presents it as an off-the-cuff remark in Spider-Man 1, it's actually a rehearsed line that he uses whenever the opportunity presents itself because he thinks it sounds clever.
@@dawngrey4057 Just randomly tells people that he's "something" of a scientist, not even a full one so as to seem humble.
@@dawngrey4057That somehow seems like something he would actually do. No idea why maybe because he's such a slightly off weirdo it just works.
Glad others hated how ‘the nerd want the thing, show them the thing’ it was.
Exact same thing happened with the thanos copter in Loki.
I think that the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" line from May still works, it's just a slightly different lesson. It's not so much that Peter mustn't fall to hubris and use his powers selfishly or suffer the consequences, but rather an assurance that he was doing the right thing. That even if it's hard, he has the power to shoulder that burden, and thus, it's his responsibility to do the right thing no matter the cost to himself. Ben's death was due to act of selfishness, whereas May's was due to selflessness.
Yeah. She's basically telling him that because he has the power and intelligence to save others, he has a responsibility to see if through, no matter how he might feel about the matter, and to not let his own biases blind him to the lives of the people he can help.
God, what an ass pull
It’s funny how we’ve never gotten any good Doctor Doom portrayal but Willem Dafoe nailed it as Green Goblin so hard twice I can’t imagine or want anyone else in the role.
A Dark Avengers movie with him in it would be perfect.
When he looks up at Spidey while getting punched, same look I gave my parents when they grounded me but I remember the gamecube was still hooked up
It does feel very much like Doom in the 2000s movies was just a poor imitation of Dafoes Green Goblin, instead of using Dooms actual backstory
It's a shame Mads Mikklesen was already wasted in Dr Strange as he would have been a great Doom.
He is a Broadway actor, not your typical blockbuster cast
@@kingfield99Same thing with Jude Law as Mr Kree whateverhisface. The MCU has a real life problem wasting talent on z-tier characters.
Maso is spot-on about the writing being like 15% too weak. Imagine being told you’ll see the return of the two previous Spider-Men in this movie - how do they make their entrance? A grand rescue? A surprise attack? Some kind of character-exploring smart plot turn? Nah, they stroll into a grandma’s CGI living room. Just stand there. Applause. Like a sitcom. Cool. Womp.
And it worked wonders when it first was playing in theaters
And like, they're summoned by Peter Parker's obnoxious friend who suddenly and conveniently has magic powers now.
@@anthonymartensen3164 Correct. Now, it's awkward though. The movie has to live forever, not just for crowd applause in theaters. And as the boys mention in this video, it's strange watching this film at home, and sitting through the very noticeable applause breaks after characters walk onscreen like a sitcom. Movies need to be eternal, because more people will see them throughout history after the theater than in it.
@aidangreen7006 yeah but obviously with a movie like this, that is incorporating characters in films that people of other generations saw and potentially grew up with, I think one has to bear in mind that this is a movie that had a novel quality to it. Critiquing it for having awkward applause moments when, at the time, 75% of the anticipation of the film was whether or not the two other Spider-Men were going to make an appearance is a little unfair.
Who cares people enjoy watching a movie as it was never from the start trying to be serious l, it’s just a fun movie to watch
They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits
But you know who else deserves a big thank you?
LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her partner (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the original trilogy and TASM1 had depth
Arad, on the other hand, just wanted to use the movies to sell toys
Yeah, Avi Arad is definitely more of a problem than he is a solution but he did have some decent input. In the Spider-Man 2 blu-ray, it's revealed that he was the one pushing for those aerial fights with Doc Ock on the sides of buildings. "more vertigo" I believe is what he said. I'm sure they would have done something cool anyway but I really like those fight scenes. Really suits Spider-Man well. The kind of fights only he could have. But yeah, Avi has to go.
Is James even aware of the SpongeBob breathing running gag?
I genuine hope Ben and Lawrence just sneak it in and he doesn't notice.
The fabled Airbender COG 😮
IT DOES EXIST
As much as I've been anticipating the Netflix show, I've definitely been anticipating next week's COG even more.
This movie isn’t my favorite, but I love the moment when Toby and Doc Ock have their little conversation at the end “trying to do better”
Yeah. It's a little on the nose but it was really for the fans in the audience. That was for all the people who were little kids watching Spider-Man 2.
Genuinely reared up at that moment and it was only then I realized how much of an attachment I had to their relationship from a twenty-year-old movie
When they inserted the big gap after the “I’m something of a scientist myself” I genuinely thought my video froze
I really hope to see more small-scale Spider-Man stuff going forward. As much as I love the Spider-Verse movies and the Insomniac games, they can be a little too much at times. I'd love one where the world or multiverse isn't at stake, or someone isn't going to blow up New York.
I heard an idea that a good small scale Spidey story might be MCU Peter finding a young Jessica Drew bewildered and clueless and helping her become a hero.
It would be great way introduce a more obscure character and you can somewhat tie it into some greater stuff with her being a victim of the High Evolutionary like the comics.
Still I feel the SPUM will sour people on spider-girls.
Crazy how Mason's half-baked rewrite actually makes so much more sense...
I hope they do take this opportunity to have Spiderman face some of the lesser known villains instead of the same old ones.
Bring on the Corn of Cobblin battle!
Scorpion definitely deserves a chance to shine. The actor himself has complained about how they just dropped his storyline.
@@li-limandragon9287Michael Mando would absolutely smash it as a pure villain too. Just let him go all out deranged and assault JJ like in the PS1 Spider-Man game
@@li-limandragon9287 Great actor too, awesome in BCS
Bring on big wheel
Can’t wait for Big Wheel
I’d much rather see Spider-Man team up with characters like Black Cat, Daredevil, or Deadpool than bring the Spider-bros back. Every Spider-Man film doesn’t need to be Spider-Verse.
Deadpool would be nice, considering that they team up quite a lot in the comics.
That we haven't had any Spider-Man/Daredevil team up announced is an absolute travesty.
@@ModestEggSpidey and Punisher is also a good idea and contrast.
@@li-limandragon9287 I know there's a big tonal difference but I would love it if they just dropped Holland Spidey into one of Bernthal Punisher's gritty corruption and war crime plots.
@@ModestEggAlso Bernthal being absolutely powerless against Billy Elliot here is hilarious.
The interactions between the villians was my favorite. Especially between Electro and Lizard. The moments between all three Peter Parkers were awesome.
Max do I die
Did you give yourself a makeover
@@claymathewselevator8121such an underrated small bit if nuance, wish lizard got more to do
So basically the movie is just a series of moments for you?
@@gzz8551 you don’t need to interrogate someone’s enjoyment of a movie
The way Ned discovers he has magic powers is so fckn silly
Almost as silly as that silly wig he’s wearing
Ned is silly as a whole
I love Ned in the first two movies but that was so dumb. I wonder if he has the chops to to be a villain.
Apparently that scene was meant to feature America Chavez, but as Maso mentions in the video, because of the constant rewrites and delays, they just had to find another way to explain them opening a portal. I like the movie but there is definitely dumb stuff like that holding it back, where they just have a half assed explanation for things
I really really *really* wanna see Ned become a version of the Hobgoblin/the Spot
They wouldn’t just give him access to portals and do nothing with it down the line would they??
I think the 'great responsibility' line still works, because May is telling him it wasn't a mistake to try and help the villains, even though they betrayed him. He has a responsibility to do the right thing, even if he suffers because of it.
As for 'saving' the villains and returning them to the moment of their deaths... Yeah I have no idea.
I like to think they show back up in their own universes, all nice and happy, and the media refers to it as a "blip".
It's also a massively different scale of a problem. Peter isn't just punching bad guys, he is curing them. Even though he could just push a button to send them home. The entire universe is being threatened, yet their lives still matter to him enough to risk it. It's the most superhero MCU has ever gotten.
Yeah I was about to comment this exact thing. The message of the film is Peter doing the right thing through suffering. He wanted it easier through manipulation and was punished for it. Just because he wasn’t doing the spell himself doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be blamed for it.
I like to think they went back with enough time to fix things. Maybe even before they got their powers in the first place. Then that means all of them, plus MacGuire and Garfield, all remember what happened in their movies but the timelines plays completely differently
Except one of the core themes of Spider-Man is Peter's guilt. He does something wrong and it leads to his uncle's death, so he goes neurotic and tries to never let anything go wrong again. I mean, uh, learns that he has great responsibility.
In this, he is already acting with responsibility, and it gets his aunt killed. The lesson you learn there is don't help people because then your aunt dies. That, or that reformative justice doesn't work.
3:08 “he looks weird but he’s here” kills me every time i don’t know why
Dr.Strange got that Lego figurine hair in this lol
The Spongebob breathing in near the end killed me off, bloody got em
Bloated villains dragging down the final film seems to be a canon event with Spidey movies
Ben and Lawrence violating James with the spongebob breathing Pic. 😂
Off topic, but I would really love to see a video from Ben and or Lawrence on how they put these videos together. The sheer number of references and small relevant clips is nuts.
The biggest lesson I’ve learned watching the MCU for all of its entire existence is that an interconnected universe is hard to do when you constantly have things in creative limbo rather than just having preplanned films and stories and sticking with it . Once it started making a Disney a lot of money they only seemed to care to replicate the success and not realize the success was due to any proper planning. The later MCU films and projects don’t work on second viewings is bc the illusion is obvious. It’s obvious they don’t really have these ideas planned out and that they constantly make reshoots and re-edit them to make the most amount of money
Honestly Dr. Stranges vague American accent might as well be from Wyoming, Montana or Idaho...
or Brooklyn
As somebody with family in those states, no, he just has a bad American accent. Even places "without" accents have details to their speech Cumberbatch completely misses.
Even as a Brit I do kinda see faults in his accent (mostly earlier appearances in the MCU) but I can forgive that. I do think that regional accents in the UK are vastly different to each other in comparison though apart from about 6 in the US for me personally. I wanna hear thoughts on this from US peeps though as I’ve not wanted to start an argument 😂
@@jordault3321 I'm swiss, so what the hell do I know..
@@lithogen6485I know you put it in quotation marks, but it is absolutely infuriating how arrogant muricans who think they ‘don’t have an accent’ are. It is literally impossible for a murican to not have an accent.
If anyone were to not have an accent, it would obviously be the English.. not the muricans. And no. The murican accent isn’t a ‘more accurate representation of the British accent’
Sure, RP might have changed over the years, but as you’re aware, there’s hundreds of English accents and they haven’t changed much over the centuries.
American accents are the result of different Europeans trying to speak the same language.
Hence why muricans say ridiculous things like
‘Pawstaw wid toemaydo sawz’
Pasta, rhymes with faster. Not imposter. There’s no o in pasta. Mario is not mawrio. Etc etc
I don't know if you're going to cover this, but I'm almost certain this movie is why people went into Multiverse of Madness thinking that the cameo characters were going to play a bigger role in the movie.
Fun fact: as shown in this video, the box thingy that Peter and Strange fight over was actually just a green box. It also featured the return of Green Goblin. And not to mention that this was (probably maybe idk) the most ecologically friendly blockbuster Spider-Man movie. Therefore, “Trivia-Man: No Way Trivia” is also known as “Green Trivia”
Which, by the way, was the working title of the original Caravan of Garbage.
Spiderman not looking down and seeing Hawkeye and Kate Bishop deal with the tracksuit mafia is wild 😂
I thought I was crazy because I was the only person who didn't like it. The story made no sense to me.
I grew up with Tobey but not gonna lie, Andrew became my favorite Spider-Man. I really liked the chemistry between him and Gwen. Of course them dating IRL helped.
well all the Spider-Man and MJ actors dated, but yeah, Andrew and Emma had great chemistry. It wasn't just attraction. You could tell they were really close.
Watch the holdovers
I think its completely within character for Dr strange to cast a spell out of hubris, fuck it up, then blame someone else. Especially a kid who will most likely take the blame for it. The movie isnt perfect but I think its fun and it's a miracle that a movie film under the conditions this was filmed in is even coherent
The bit at 2:34 killed me 😂 that was golden😂
"Don't leave me in the moribus universe"
Truly a fate worse than death. (And Tom Holland Spider-Man has been dead, so he would know.)
I understand where James and Maso are coming from… but I love this movie so much
It’s probably my second or third favourite. It feels like such a reward for keeping up with the character in live action.
Quite frankly once the hype of seeing Garfiel and Tobey died down it really hit me that this movie was just ok
So we’re just gonna ignore the spectacular edit at 16:27 of James’ deep breath???
Not a perfect movie by any means but this came out on my birthday and as a life long Spider-Man fan, seeing this with my friends was the greatest gift I could ever ask for. I mean I was born in 2001 and grew up with the every single piece of Spider-Man content I could get my hands on, he was the superhero that got me into superhero’s. Andrew Garfield is also without a doubt my favorite incarnation of Spidey and it was so heartwarming to see him back, as well as Tobey. And the fact we got them all on screen together is still crazy to me and something I think we all need to appreciate a little more 😂
I think people overthing the whole "forget about peter parker" thing. He isn't erasing himself from existance, people just forget him. He still would have his name on paperwork and stuff, but people would just be like "huh, i don't remember this, oh well"
I will always be fond of this movie because of the cinematic experience I had in the theater. But the excitement and surprise cannot be replicated. I have watched it a couple times since the hype and I have enjoyed it still, but I totally see what you mean by it breaking down in the writing. The place it left us at though could give us a great upcoming Spider-Man movie that we can all love. As long as Sony is mostly hands off.
Must’ve been shocking for MJ when the guy she has a bunch of pictures of on her phone that she doesn’t remember walked into her work
Maso presents it like a plot hole, but why would it matter that the entire world forgets who Peter is? If you got for a job or a medical or whatever and you have the paper work with your name on nobody is going to go “Wait a second, I’ve never met you before… This is suspicious!”
When you were talking about Hobgoblin and alternate Goblins I was expecting a Corn of Coblin mention.
You don't think Spiderman screwing the spell up, stealing the magic box and trapping Dr. Strange is irresponsible? Am I to believe that is these guys main problem with the movie?
"no he's gonna fight ezekiel sims" is the funniest sentence ive ever heard
14:23 “Outside the ‘NORM’. Like, mayb… ‘NORM’an Osborne.” 💡🔥
#Bars
Kevin Feige already said the MCU would not have versions of villains seen in previous movies, and it's why NWH used the Multiverse to "bring them into the MCU" (briefly). So MCU Spider-Man isn't gonna meet an MCU Curt Connors, Norman Osborn, Max Dillon, Flint Marko or Otto Octavius. At least, that's the plan. If recent history has taught us anything it's that plans change.
That’s such a bad idea to not attempt Spider-Man two most iconic villains in the MCU, at least try to have one later down the next trilogy
Honestly dissapointing. I’m tired of seeing variants and not the mainline MCU versions that should already exist.
@@leftistdegeneratejs The only reason I'm cool with it is because Spider-Man has such an extensive rogues gallery, so even by not featuring villains used in other movies, you still have plenty of villains to choose from who've never been in other movies.
Every time I watch this movie I applaud uproariously alone in my living room, if the movie didn't have those breaks I would miss half the movie, think it through fellas
Mason has a quote I use all the time from his rise of Skywalker review:
“For some people, this checked all the boxes, for others it feels like it’s just checking boxes.” I feel that applies to a lot of movies
My theory is that, in some early stage of this movie, Tobey Macguire’s Peter Parker had given up Spider-Man to parallel Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man giving up Peter Parker. Tom Holland’s character arc (along with all three Spider-Men) was learning a balance between their two halves.
I think this is why Tobey Macguire shows up in street clothes and why there is a weird insert shot in lab of Andrew Garfield asking where his suit is. Of course, Tobey would wear the suit in the final battle once he learns to embrace that side of himself again.
What makes this odd is that Andrew Garfield’s parallel arc seems still intact. He learns that Peter’s emotions is what makes him a hero and that’s paid off from saving MJ. Meanwhile Tobey’s arc is virtually nonexistent.
My guess is that either Tobey or test audiences didn’t like hearing his Peter Parker gave up being Spider-Man, or they didn’t want comparisons to portrayals like Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi who had a similar arc that was divisively received.
I always took Tobey's Parker as being the most senior of the three, so he's the voice of reason and experience. He's seen it all, done it all, completed his personal journey, and is there to help guide the other two Peters.
Tobeys Peter is clearly alluded to be a family man by No Way Home.
He’s one of the few Peter Parkers in any medium to have a happy ending. Tobey Peter seems to be pretty comfortable with his dual life, and his growth from Spider-Man 3 is that Spider-Man no longer consumes his personal life.
That doesn’t mean he gave up on Spider-Man. He still wears the suit underneath, but his normal guy appearance shows a person that is quite comfortable with who he is
Allegedly Toby Maguire only signed on to this film very late so they might have been a contingency if he said no and they had to write around his absence.
In my head canon, if you had a moment where Spider-Man took off his mask to say "My name is Peter Parker and I'm Spider-Man", they remember him removing his mask and there is another one underneath and he says his name is also Spider-Man, like that Batman edit from the Justice League cartoon.
I think I saw this movie 3 or 4 times most of them was the theatrical cut but I also saw the extended cut during it’s limited run. I love this movie as it took my childhood Spider Men (Tobey and Andrew) with their villains and mixed with Tom Holland’s MCU spider man into a highly entertaining movie that I’m not gonna lie made me cry
Honestly probably in my top five of Marvel movies and might be my fave Holland Spider-man movie.
tThe pause after "something of a scientist myself" at 17:20-something and then telling Ben to leave a pause was a Class A joke. Bravo.
Remember: Aunt May died cause Peter didn’t want to go community college
😅Aunt May's death was because Green Goblin killed her.
Why blame PP?
What did he do to Aunt May? Spider- Man did not kill anyone.
He wanted to save Osborne, but the bad outcome was not caused by Spider-Man, but by Green Goblin.
Bringing the villain to MCU is Spider-Man's fault, he should be responsible.
But the actions of the villains after arriving at MCU are their own responsibility, and as humans, it is appropriate for these villains to take responsibility for their own actions
I am TASM2’s number 1 fan and I wanna address a complaint I had with this movie, specifically electro. Jamie Foxx’s performance I this movie is a totally different character from his excellent performance in TASM2. In TASM2 Electro is a man desperately seeking attention and acceptance. In this film, Fox just plays electro as a cool guy who loves power. It doesn’t carry any of the nuance he had in his film, and it feels like they just brought him into be cool guy Jamie Fox. I think that’s also part of why he is De-bluified.
I always thought the lesson for this movie was, Peter finally standing up for himself and making his own decisions. I saw his arc being what happens when his good deeds end up having bad consequences, and aunt may the one adult who encouraged him ending up dying made her death impactful
>and aunt may the one adult who encouraged him ending up dying made her death impactful
it was lame, classic dead girlfriend in the fridge
I’d argue what you do is an MCU green goblin shows up and tom automatically assumes its Norman so keeps going after norman, making him look villainous, only for it to turn out to be Harry. And so tom apologies but then maybe it turns out it really was norman and he manipulated everyone into thinking it was Harry spectacular Spider-Man style.
"It's been Norman all along!"
Regarding Maso's assessment of great power comes great responsibility and the prior two movies- I get why he cites to them, but neither have lasting, weightful consequences in the classic comic sense of "Parker Luck." Liz is never heard from again in the next two films, and Peter never shows any sadness about the breakup post-Homecoming. In Far From Home Peter gives up the glasses and then has to get them back to destroy them, and the movie ends with his identity being revealed publicly; while the climax certainly handles the consequence of giving up the glasses, the reveal of Spider-Man's identity doesn't feel as consequential as one would expect it to feel (yeah he's booed a few times in public and gets a rock thrown thrown through his window, but his friends are probably off to college fine and the Damage Control stuff seems to have minimal impact on the plot). Personally I thought losing his two best friends was a meaningful thing to happen to Peter that will likely carry significant weight into the next movie.
My main problem with this movie is that it worked overtime to strip away everything that made the MCU Spider-Man unique and made him just like every other Spider-Man.
- we skipped over the origin because everyone knows it? nah, kill Aunt May (and say the line, Bart!) even though he’s already lost Ben AND Tony
- cool red and black suit that harkens back to the earliest comics? Nah, we’re going back to red and blue
- Spider-Man that actually uses high tech gadgets for once? nah, go back to a homemade suit
- Spider-Man who actually has a solid support structure because he doesn’t lie to everyone about his secret identity? Nah, make everyone forget who is and that they ever knew him
- Michelle Jones is MJ in spirit, but not literally? Nah, reveal she’s had a secret last name this whole time so she’s literally MJ Watson
- Has his own fresh rogues gallery? Nah, have him fight all the literally same people we’ve seen before
I'm pretty sure Peter had a GED because he erased his whole high school existence
Tobeys suit looks incredible. No cgi necessary
His suit looks its best in his own movies. Seems like they just stuck him in a cheap replica or didn't have enough time. But yeah, it looked even worse covered in CGI.
Wow Masons simple change to the story makes it so much better
You guys must’ve missed it…Peter actually did disrupt the spell by talking and adding names to the spell which Dr strange clearly told him to stop or something bad would happen.
So maybe it’s a 50/50 fault
"G'day boys I'm Uncle Ben. I'm on me back!"
I'm glad Mason is here to be all critical and stuff. I also thought this movie had a ton of problems. It's still an enjoyable watch, but the plot is a mess. The Andrew Garfield redemption was great though.
this is week 7 of me asking mr sunday movies to watch bridget jones's diary
Hilarious that Mason refers to J. Jonah Jameson as Alex Jones. 🤣🤣🤣
Look I’m just gonna be the one to say it, they don’t send the villains back to the moment they die. That is a misunderstanding on your part
Still as much I love this film, it doesn’t make that clear and seems to suggest they will die if not for Peter’s efforts.
I feel bad for Norman because he’s probably going back to a universe where Harry is dead.
@@li-limandragon9287 they are taken from the moment where they find out Peter Parker is spider man. That isn’t the moment they die for most of them except electro.
@@matthewcronin2325Doc Ock finds out Peter is Spider Man at the end of the movie just before he sacrifices himself to destroy his machine.
@@salmaankhan7 with a clear mind maybe he can find a way that doesn’t involve killing himself
What about Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Man?
I think they are their older versions pulled from the moment in time they were about to perish too?
Tobey Maguire sounds like Peter A. Parker's life and Andrew Garfield sounds like Peter B. Parker before the Miles interaction and life style change.
So, my question is. Were Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Man about to Die before they showed up?
I love the Spider-verse movies so much, but even when Into the Spider-verse first came out, people were joking/worrying that Marvel and movie execs would take the wrong lesson from its success, instead of how people loved it for the great characters and phenomenal animation
Sure enough, we've been living in Multiverse hell ever since...
My biggest thing is this shouldve been a two-parter. End the first one with Tobey and Andrew showing up, then open part 2 with showing their POV in their universes and how they got transported. Then we couldve gotten a whole movie of them all together instead of just extended cameos. And we also wouldve gotten a peek into the state of their universes and what they've been up to all these years
Thought my internet went out with that long pause lmaooo
I love James and Maso not realizing they’re talking about different trains from different Spider-Man 2s at first
I can virtually assure you they knew.
@@ndclub67 you’re so right
My opinion of this movie is I still enjoy it, but if someone else doesn't I completely understand.
My hands are raw from all the applausing
"cause my check just cleared" masons so quick 😂
There's nothing better than listening James "imitate" Tom Holland.
If it’s Madame Webb on the podcast next week, does that mean Snake Eyes is going to have to get pushed back to the following week?
Mason hating movies I love and loving movies I hate is the best character trait
I miss the days of the more obscure caravan of garbage episodes. Can we get some of those?
My favourite scene in this one is when Tom Holland does the math vs magic scene in the mirror dimension against Strange
Tobey Maguire’s performance is one of the best parts, his demeanor sets up the possibility he’s a bad guy or neutral or an anti hero or failed his universe, any number of things
Love the cut to Joe Rogan on "here's where my completely unresearched conspiracy theory comes in".
"A lot of people have probably read this book."
Lmao
9:22 I'm guessing that, in the original version of this (before it swapped places with Multiverse of Madness), Dr Strange refuses to help and then Peter goes to America Chavez, and it's her that messes up the spell. As she already has multiverse powers, that would make a lot more sense then Strange breaking the multiverse by trying to do a memory wipe that has nothing to do with any other universes.
AWESOME THE SPIDERMAN COLLECTION IS ALMOST COMPLETED!!!
theyll do civil war at some point
17:32 you say that and you instantly demonstrate that they DO know. The GED is an NIC (nail in coffin)
I think it made sense that Aunt May offers/reiterates the "great responsibility" lesson because Peter was questioning his whole cure decision and about to go on a murderous, revenge spree against Goblin.
This was the turning point for the MCU for me. This movie soured me on their movies. I truly understood what Scoresese was talking about when he called these movies "theme parks" just the absolute incoherent movie filled with phony storyline, dialogue, performances and cameos made just so people can cheer in the theater, i felt like i was watching deadpool the amount of self-referential jokes they were making.
Haha great Bill Murray reference, speaking if which, did you know that Bill Murray actually voiced the lovable orange cat Garfield in not one but TWO live action films??? Both of which were based on comics books so it would be perfect for this series please guys I'm begging you
This film definitely felt like it was trying to address the "complaints" (Some valid, most weren't) of the "Not MY Spider-Man" crowd and fell flat because of it.