I enjoyed this film! And I'm just gonna say it, Alien 3 wasn't the best, but it might just be Sigourney Weaver's best Alien performance. Thanks for watching, everyone! Next stop, Predator!
Her total loss of fear and ability to confront it freed of any concern for her own mortality or having anything to return to really gives her something that puts her on a different level from Ripley in the other films. Cannot WAIT to see what you think of Predator!
You should check out the Assembly Cut of "ALIEN 3". It is almost a totally different movie than the Theatrical Cut (there are a lot of deleted scenes, you will be surprised about how much they actually cut out of the movie, and there are also a lot of alternate scenes as well). I actually think that the Assembly Cut is a lot better than the Theatrical Cut.
I'm honestly glad you did decide to watch Alien 3, yeah I think its the weakest of the three but it does have its place in the trilogy. I also grew up watching the theatrical version of the film and think its better. Yeah the extended version has some interesting scenes but I think the theatrical version is just a cleaner cut that moves smoother. Thank you again for the great reaction.
Because you gave this gem of a movie a chance, and went into it with a great attitude, you got yourself a new subscriber 🙌😂. I know even the director hates this movie, but I fucking love it
When you see the extended cut it makes a lot more sense. Just reading the original story and damn wish they had done that instead. I do enjoy this movie though.
31:53 Just a note- the Alien was never CGI in the film- for scenes like this it was a "go motion" puppet (as opposed to stop motion- the cameras would film continuously while puppeteers made the creature move with rods). The reason it looks like poor CGI is the compositing was bad. I believe there was one CGI shot and that was the Alien's head "cracking open" as the molten lead cools from being doused with water.
I don’t care what ANYONE says. This film is absolutely FANTASTIC, and pure “Alien,” through-and-through. As one of the biggest Alien fans EVER, this is the film that got me into the franchise.
I love this movie, I agree it not the best alien movie, I think most people cant look past them killing off newt and hicks before the movie even starts and just say the movie is bad because if it.
@@TheLiverpoolOwenI like that they killed off Newt and Hicks. It took everything from her, leaving her all alone, hopeless, and yet she still steeled herself to fight the Alien.
@@arndnaj oh i agree, i don't have a issue with them being killed off, i just understand why people would do. some people cant look past it and just call it a bad movie because the characters they enjoyed where written out of the movie. but the movie itself is actually pretty good, (minus some of the bluescreen and cgi effects looking dated), i wouldn't say its better than either of the first two, but better than people say.
This was actually my favorite Alien movie. It made the Xenomorphs horrifying again. A continuation of James Cameron’s Aliens would have been predictable.
There's an entire deleted plot line with prisoner Golic.... During the fire sequence, Junior (The rapist) sacrifices himself to lure the Alien into the nuclear storage bunker and they catch the Alien. Then Golic escapes from the infirmary and thinking he has a connection with it (cos it hasn't killed him twice) lets it free... You can see all this in the "Workprint" version. An the documentary "Wreckage & Ruin" on the making of the film is really fascinating. The Alien is actually a Rod Puppet - not CGI, but they are REALLY badly composited... First Alien movie to have all CG aliens in Alien 4
I love that the company lied to the very end: It was just another Bishop android, even though it said it wasn’t. (As clearly evident by it having half its head hanging off after getting hit directly with heavy pipe/wrench.) Ripley was DONE with that crap.
There are a number of things I really appreciate about *_Alien³_* - It took a series about survival & flipped the script where you're forced to live with that predation as the only thing left, and where the salvation is actually a MASSIVE fear because the Company is _always_ the biggest threat, and makes the emptiness of death have a meaning where she could actually find a purpose in it that isnt failure, because it's still a victory over the Xenomorph AND the Company. The iconic Runner & Ripley being face-to-face where that flip finally happens feels too iconic to ignore this film even if it doesn't hold up as well as its predecessors. There was a TON of interference in making this film, and the other cuts are radically different (like seeing the massive unique Queen Facehugger, and the Runner emerging from an ox rather than a dog). The DVD behind the scenes stuff were something that gave me a TON of respect for the film managing what it did. Playing as a Runner Xenomorph in the old PC game AVP2, you can sprint along walls & ceilings EXACTLY like the chase sequences in this, so it really is an important piece of the overall franchise despite its complications. When it comes to the larger franchise, I tend to think of it in three sorts of continuities: Alien, Aliens, & AvP. • Alien, Prometheus, & Alien Covenant are largely existential cosmic horror and in line with Ridley Scott's themes. • Add in Aliens, Alien³, and Alien: Resurrection and you have more of the Science Fiction Action Horror as James Cameron's sequel carried a heavy influence also connecting to games like Alien Isolation as a bigger. • Then you get the AvP & Predator films for a shared continuity to enjoy them as a bigger sort of franchise-level Sci-fi Action feel. Given that Alien: Romulus has Ridley Scott as a producer and he loved the director's cut he saw, I'm VERY interested to see how the film feels in terms of those general categories.
If you mean the Assembly Cut (I know that that is what it's called) then I really like that version as well. It is almost totally different than the Theatrical Cut.
@@warlorddk2070 Covenant is definitely as bad as people say. In addition to being a lame film, David being the creator of the Xeno's is garbage. Should have focused on the Engineers.
I prefer the theatrical version of this film. It flows better and it makes more sense that the Xenomorph came out of a dog, because of the way it moves. And covenant and prometheus are decent movies too, with very interesting philosophical ideas, stunning visuals and great creatures. you just have to kind of ignore the stupidity of some characters at times to enjoy them properly. Resurrection on the other hand really sucks. A lot!!😡
The video thumbnail to this video popped up, and I was happy to see someone react to Alien 3, as mosts reactors don't. None of the one who I have subscribed to have made a reaction to this one, even they did to the first two. And now you have on more subscriber because of that! Thanks for the reaction, will check out some of your other ones as well....
Welcome to the production hell that was Alien 3. The movie went through 5 different scripts. The original William Gibson was described as "Commies in space" and had the Sulaco drift near space belonging to the Union of Progressive Peoples. They board the ship finding Hicks, Newt and Ripley in cryosleep and get attacked by a facehugger that was hiding in Bishop's torn up body. They then bring the ship back to their space station and are attacked again by xenomorphs and Ripley's cryotube is damaged, Ripley is put in a coma because of this and then Hicks and Newt get woken up. Newt gets sent back to Earth while they keep Hicks around to learn about the alien. Hicks then finds out they've been experimenting on xenomorphs with cloning and genetically modifying them. The movie then turns into what you'd expect from an Alien movie of Hicks running around a space station trying to survive. This is generally the script fans say the movie should have used as it seems to be the most fleshed out and Alien feeling. Eric Red then got bought in and quit after 2 months because of how much the higher ups were interfering and he felt the draft that got delivered to Fox wasn't remotely his story. David Twohy then got given Gibon's original script. First thing he did was get rid of the communism stuff because the Soviet Union had fallen at that point so they felt it was outdated. He also was the one to set the movie on a prison planet. Then they bought in Vincent Ward who moved the movie setting again from the prison planet to a monastery. The monks there then think Ripley and the alien in her is a test from God. Then it goes the route of them thinking the trial is having a woman in the monastery and Ripley is there to test their temptations so they lock her up. It then focuses more on Ripley's struggle with knowing the alien will eventually kill her and likely everyone else and she eventually finds a way to end herself. Then we finally got the final script from Walter Hill and David Giler which took David Twohy's prison idea and a lot of the religious stuff from Vincent Ward's script. I do like a lot of Alien 3 mostly because of Sigourney Weaver but having so many different ideas from so many people clearly left some glaring problems with the movie.
The alien effects are more practical than you might imagine. There’s probably some CG involved with the masking and color grading of the creature, but it’s movement was actually done with puppetry. Kinda cool.
I always wondered what became of Golic in the theatrical cut? We all know what happened to him in the assembly cut..but theatrically he must still be trussed up in the infirmary. 😂
There was not cgi on the alien (only some shadows and the break effect at the end). It was a full body puppet, but the movie need more post production to mix the thing better. Another bullet on the hell that movie was to make
Thank you, as always, for being open-minded towards anything you watch. Whether the eventual opinion is positive, negative, or somewhere in-between. You can always be counted on to be fair, and looking at the positives vs focusing on the negatives 🙂☺️🤘
I'm an avid Alien franchise fan and even though I find Alien 3 lacking, it does provide Ripley a full story arc. And Ripley stands with few others as fully developed characters in cinema.
5:53 and you figured out why the audience had issues with it. I saw this in the theater but was 5 minutes late so missed the opening credits scenes. I was so confused and angry.
This is a really underrated movie, the best version for me is the Assembly cut. That is the version that is considered the closest to David Fincher's vision, although he declined to do a director's cut.
While not one of the best or worst of the series, I will thank this movies setting and color pallet for being a key inspiration for the original Dead Space video game
Speaking of videogames... I actually really enjoyed playing the Alien 3 game on SNES. It was hard as hell and I never got very far but I thought it looked pretty amazing at the time. Keep in mind every single version of the Alien 3 games were completely different, play styles and graphics. I can't even take the non SNES versions seriously lol. So if you've played the others and not SNES's and were disappointed, don't let them keep you from trying the SNES one.
Nice to see someone doing Alien 3 for once. Most people stop at Aliens which I feel is very unfair as Aliens is less a sequel than an action remake of Alien. Alien 3 is most certainly a sequel in terms of giving us an original story.
The Assembly cut is far better and has a more coherent plot. Weaver really didn't want to come back for a 3rd film - took some persuading, it was supposed to be a conclusion - interestingly she also insisted on no guns, not wanting another shoot em up movie, I really like this movie - it's supposed to be a resolution and it achieves that - it's also about sacrifice and courage - it's aged really well. It was shot in a disused power station - they are real environments.
There is no CGI in ALIEN 3 Aside from less than 1 sec of the cracking of the alien skull by water. Resurrection would be considered the first cgu alien. The Assebly Cut does have CGI in it.
Now you have seen the Theatrical version you really should watch the Assembly Cut which is much closer to what would have been Finchers version. It adds a lot to the story.
Fun thing to spot, the prisoner who found the dog was played by Christopher Fairbank, who played The Broker in Guardians of the Galaxy, Ulaf on Andor, and Dr. Mactilburgh in The Fifth Element.
No fan should ever tell another not to watch something (unless it's gross in a truly disturbing way). Every movie has value even if it's a lesson of what not to do and to give fans a better appreciation of those that work. Alien³ also has value by not trying to mimic either of the first two films, instead delving more into a study of character, including the decision to break Ripley after surviving two encounters with the Xenomorph. It is also when they introduced the biological element of the Xenomorph taking on characteristics of the host. It's seen in a far more negative light that it deserves because most fans didn't like losing Reese and Newt, but I always appreciated such a bold decision. Losing Newt in particular also contributes greatly to Ripley's decision to sacrifice herself. If Newt was still alive she might have made the situation worse. The Assembly Cut is closer to the original Fincher version, but we will never get his true version since he refused to have anything to do with it after all the studio meddling. My personal collection includes Alien - The Director's Cut, Aliens - The Special Edition, and Alien³ - The Assembly Cut. The only other Aliens movie I have is Aliens vs Predator. It's fun and adds to the canon rather than ignore it.
28:09 Nope. When Frank is killed there are 23 people left. There are 29 people: 25 prisoners, 3 staff & Ripley. Also, only 8 are killed by fire. I expect you assume Golic & Junior (Holt McCallany, tear drop tattoo guy) are amongst them seeing as you're watching the theatrical cut. Watch the special edition, it's far better.
If you haven't, I'd love to see your reaction to all the pitch black movies. They go the same route, starting off as sci-fi horror and going the action sci-fi route as the movies progress.
I very much dislike Alien 3 but can appreciate the things it does right. The sets are great, the cast is great, the alien mostly looks good and Fincher is a fantastic director as usual. What I hate is the story. It feels about as good as a punch in the gut. I’m not even upset about the death of Ripley. It made sense for her to sacrifice it all to wipe out the aliens and keep them out of the hands of Weyland. It’s the off screen death of Newt and Hicks that was the big slap to the face. Even the superior recut of the movie doesn’t save it from being a miserable experience. Oh well, I’m glad some people get some enjoyment out of it.
Honestly, out of the original three films, I enjoy the Alien³ score slightly above Alien and Aliens. All the scores are fantastic in their own right and really capture the essence of the films, but something about 3 just hits a little bit different, and I really love it.
I enjoy this movie for what it is, Love the cast and love the franchise. I think this one ads so much more depth to the grossness of Wayland company. It's camp AF and I love it for that. Weaver is always fantastic and badass, even more so in this.
"The CG doesn't look great" - that's not CGI. Computers weren't that powerful back then. That's the result of compositing a miniature puppet onto a scene and the lighting just didn't match all that great. They tried bringing the alien to life multiple ways in this film. Different life size puppets, a full on costume, miniature puppets recorded in real time and later composited, etc. At one point they even had a dog in a xenomorph costume, but I don't think it made the cut because it looked too silly.
There is an amazing documentary about the mess that happened prior to this film being made, how Fincher was brought in at the last of last minutes and how shitty the experience was for him. Some of that shows, but I think David Fincher worked miracles to get this film done and I like it. I prefer the theatrical release because dog alien > cow alien. Also that funeral scene is edited together better in the theatrical cut as it works perfectly alongside Dillons’ eulogy.
Great reaction, i feel the same as you outside of the theater, back in the 90's , mad and happy at the same Time. Cheers from Chile. (Alien 4 it's by far, the lowest point, but if you like the monster like me, you need to see it)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Alien 3 gets and undeservedly bad rep, imho. Is it as brilliant as the first two? No, absolutely not. But it's also not nearly as horrible as many people make it out to be.
I agree it's no way as good as the first two buts it's still a good movie , I read a proposed script for 3 and it was really dire way worse than what we got .
I would say the reason it had such a bad reaction from most of the common fans is due to there technically 3 versions of this film. The diehard alien fans are just mad that the third version of the film never made it to film. For me anything to do with the trilogy is great. It's the experience you have to have in each film. First was a horror. Second was a thriller/action and the third was a drama/thriller. You have to see what each one is trying to do.
Considering the mess of a production it’s amazing the film is as good as it is. I really like it, especially the assembly cut. Even though it was never Fincher vision I think it’s a well made movie with lots to admire. Its biggest crime was having to follow the first two films which is no easy task.
Totally agree about Alien 3 it's no way nearly as bad as it could have been , it certainly is no Alien vs Predator Requiem which is totally dire and in my opinion unwatchable, Alien and Aliens are obviously the best of the franchise ( so far ) the first two work on so many different levels and in so many different ways it is really difficult to choose between them .
I feel like every movie moves progressively closer to the alien actually getting to earth.. in terms of environment and locations.. The first was on a spaceship, very far from earth.. second was on the ground, but still an alien planet, so still fairly far from earth.. this one was in a location that looked like earth, but wasn't, so getting closer :P
I like how you give these movies benefit of the doubt, regardless what ever was the reception. I like the series and I can still be flexible with it, and Aliens 3 is just fine as a sequel.
There was *some* CGI. Mostly the cracks appearing on the Xenomorph when the water hits it, and I think the reflections when a prisoner throws a torch at it.
Sigourney Weaver was dead set against making this film unless they killed her off, which sealed Ripley's fate. Also it was her own idea to shave her head. However there was a clause in her contract that once filming ended and she started to grow her hair back, if any re-shoots were necessary and she would have to re-shave her head, she would be paid an additional $40 000 dollars. Of course re-shoots were necessary- so the makeup effects dept made an ultra realistic bald cap that cost $16 000, saving the studio $24 000.
I like this movie, I've always defended it. I am relieved you liked it too. Most people seems to dislike it. I like the removal of modern weapons, just like in the first movie. It makes it more tense. However, It has flaws. You are spot on with the effects comment and props. Still lots of great scenes and I like the kind of dynamic it has with the religious prisoners. Edit: I am confused, I remember scenes not showed here. Might be a different cut I guess.
Yes,the rest of the it's either Tom Woodruf I n the suit or a 1/6 scale rod puppet shot against bluescreen, which ironically ended up looking like CGI...
There’s actually only one CG shot of the alien in the movie, when they hit it with the sprinklers. The ones you thought were CG are actually digital composites of a practical rod puppet built and operated by Richard Edlund’s team. This was actually one of the very first films to do digital compositing. I really recommend watching the documentary about the making of this film. David Fincher was constantly at war with the studio during production. He started shooting without a completed script and had to write it on the fly after Vincent Ward (What Dreams May Come) departed as writer/director after his own issues with the studio. Set construction had already begun for Ward’s version, whic( was to take place in a monastery rather than a prison. Fincher had such a negative experience that he refused to work for 20th Century Fox again until he was guaranteed creative control on Fight Club. The “Assembly Cut” is a VASTLY better film and restores 30 minutes of the film, including an entire subplot surrounding Paul McGann’s character. Hicks and Newt’s deaths were part of the story beginning with Ward’s original outline, mostly because Ward found the character of Newt to be annoying. Legendary SF writer and father of cyberpunk William Gibson wrote a version of Alien 3 that would have featured only a cameo by Ripley, who would be comatose for most of the movie. In Gibson’s script, Newt is safely returned to Earth and reunited with her extended family. The story instead focused on Hicks, who finds himself trapped aboard a station full of researchers working for a communist colonial regime, who obtain the alien DNA and use it to engineer an airborne pathogen that causes characters to spontaneously mutate into xenomorphs. This story - along with another script prepared by David Twohy (Riddick) - were contingencies in case Sigourney Weaver asked for too much money. The Gibson script has since been adapted as a graphic novel, and also as a radio play featuring Biehn reprising his role as Hicks. Ripley was killed at Weaver’s request, as she felt trapped in the franchise. At the studio’s insistence, the ending was reshot to include the chestburster. However, Weaver had already grown out her hair, and had a contract that would have netted her a significant payout if she was required to shave her head again. So the studio instead commissioned an elaborate buzzcut hairpiece that had to be meticulously glued down over her natural hair and blended in order to get the shot.
No Cg. The only CG creature shot is the cracks in its dome the Alien running is a maquette puppet they inserted into shots. Poorly I might add, they should clean it up with CG for a special edition.
If you want to know what Alien 3 could have been I would say check out the book Alien 3 by William Gibson. It’s based on a screenplay he initially wrote and was green lite but then the studio interfered and changed up the story to what we got. But the book is a fun look at a different way the story could have gone. Plus it doesn’t kill off all our favorite characters from Aliens
Fun fact: One of the conditions Sigourney Weaver wanted to participate in this film was for her character to die. I still strongly suggest you watch the Special Edition of this film, as it is superior to the original cut. This movie went over many re-writes and problems with the script, to the point where a lot of it was done last minute.
Definitely watch the Assembly Cut as it adds a ton more to the story with some significant changes. Alien 3 is a great conclusion to what was the end of a trilogy IMO. They got rid of the big guns and brought it back to basics in a way. As you said, Ripley was never going to have a happy ending after all she'd been through and she went out a heroine.
Contrary to popular belief there's actually only one shot of cgi in this film. When the molten lead is dumped on the Alien and jumps out. They douse it with water and the surface of his head cracks. That's the sole cgi shot, the cracks. CGI hadn't quite taken off yet back then. There's a pretty nice (and very long) video on TH-cam comparing all the differences between this and the Assembly Cut. There are some story differences between them, such as the alien birthed from an ox, not a dog. So no cgi you might say, then how did they do the alien, it's a lot of animatronics and rod puppets. I've always thought it was pretty decent looking in most scenes. When I originally saw it, it didn't stand out to me but much later viewings it just looks a totally different color than the rest of the scene. I dunno how I didn't notice it at all originally. And that's the problem, they did a bad job compositing it into the scene, and definitely screwed up the color correcting. In the Assembly Cut they redid these effects and it fits much better. I think they may had added just a tad bit of cgi because it was put together years later. But I think only to blend it in better. I like this movie, and though it's a shame about Hicks, Newt and Bishop, it didn't bother me so much they were killed. And at least it wasn't totally off screen as we did get flashes of what's going on at the beginning. I believe Michael Beign was paid to return as Hicks though he wasn't in the actual movie. I believe there was an interview he talked about it. Was kind of an odd story. Thank you for not listening to the nay sayers and watching this. I've seen lots of people enjoy these further movies in this franchise and also terminator, where you'll also have a lot of people tell you not to go beyond part 2. We're here for your reactions to things good or bad and not the nay sayers. I subbed to the channel when I saw the Thing reaction in my feed. Thats one of like 3 movies I'll sub to a channel when I see them, even if I don't watch anything on the channel right away. Which was the case here. Haven't watched anything yet, until I saw the Alien 3 reaction and your willingness to give it a chance has caused me to go back to your Alien/Aliens reactions before I watched this one. I'll check out some of your backlog from now on. Good reaction my good sir.
Alien 3 would have been better if just didn't involve Ripley, and instead focused on completely new characters dealing with the Xenomorphs. I understand Sigourney Weaver was the face of the series, and they were probably worried that audiences wouldn't be interested if she was absent. But if there was no Ripley in the movie, they could have done anything they wanted with the story and it wouldn't have had a negative impact on the ending of the second movie. Also, the egg on the Sulaco at the beginning of the movie is a massive plot-hole. Many people just assume the queen laid it during her brief time there at the end of Aliens, or she brought it with her from the planet..but none of those theories work. The queen was incapable of laying eggs at that point, as she no longer was attached to her egg sac/ovipositor. Also, there is no way she could have brought the egg with her, as we see her chasing Ripley and Newt down on the planet right before Bishop picks them up, and she clearly is not carrying any eggs with her. You also have the problem that the first 2 movies clearly established that the eggs don't open until a host gets close enough...while the egg in Alien 3 is isolated with nobody around it, yet it still hatches. The eggs in the first movie were presumably there for thousands of years, but not one of them opened until Kane finally showed up and got too close.
For a fun, short trailer that takes a more action spin to the film, check out the Alien 3 "Trailer C" that uses the "Bishop's Countdown" music from Aliens. Likewise, the teaser trailer is also an interesting curiosity- as it has the film taking place on Earth (which an earlier version of the film's script did). Whenyou get around to watching Alien Resurrection, it's also worth checking out the teaser trailer to that film afterwards, which is pretty famous itself (and introduced a Bishop's Countdown-like piece of trailer music titled "Code Red" that has been heavily used in trailers and TV spots ever since).
Watch the 30 minute longer 'Assembly Cut' - its a far more rewarding watch than this theatrical one. Even in the original version however the complicated sound mix for a film of this vintage is surprisingly good too, lots of small conversations between the prisoners etc can be clearly heard with a decent surround sound system, it really adds to the atmosphere.
That opening reaction to hicks and newt was exactly my reaction! However I love this movie and the end to Ripleys story was such a good pay off. She really had the final say against the alien and the company. In my head the alien universe is a dark gritty and not a happy universe. As fantastic and a cherished movie aliens is I never bought into the 'family' storyline.
I'm not going to lie. Listening and watching Grizz react and give his sharp analysis in real-time somehow made the disappointing Alien 3 so much more intriguing than I remembered it to be. Perhaps I've been bewitched by the power and charm of the Wiz.
"He's the Noonien Singh of this franchise..." - I think you meant Noonien Soong. Khan Noonien Singh was the genetically modified villain from Star Trek TOS and The Wrath of Khan. Dr. Noonien Soong was the creator of Data, Lore and the rest of the Soong androids. In this case Bishop is in fact the creator of the Bishop androids, though he has a much longer legacy than you know to the Weyland-Yutani Company. I'm excited for you to learn of this in future movies if you're willing to put up with some of the lesser entries in the franchise, or franchises I should say.
I don't have major issues with this. Probably, the CGI. I think the story just shows "you cannot escape it. Eventually you will die." Ripley had her chance, but went back. People hate that Newt dies. How could they "keep" her alive in the story? Also, I remember there was rumor that Sigourney didn't really want to come back unless Ripley died. For me, Alien 3 also shows that not even the worst humans can handle the alien. It's more cruel. The movie is dark. Ripley finds out Newt died. And that she has an alien inside. It's just dark. Souless. Anyway...I think people wanted another movie of Ripley saving everyone and sending the alien into space. Hahahaha
Haha I've just finished watching the reaction. I am glad how you reacted and the final analysis, specially when you talk about Ripley. Regarding chi, there were lots of issues during production. So it turned out as good as it could get.
I feel your final reaction, I was like that when I watched it the first time around. I was absolutely gutted. Also, do you do reactions for Trek? Discovery final season so far is epic and well worth a shot due to the linkages.
This was the Alien movie that was on TV the most when I was a kid in the mid-90's. Despite its flaws and its obvious downslide from the first two films, there are a ton of things I enjoy about 3. The score, set, color palette, and some of the imagery are really fantastic. Clemens and Dillon are great characters as well. I appreciate that you didn't stop at 2 like most channels do, and while I absolutely loathe the 4th movie, I'm looking forward to you getting to Prometheus and Covenant. One of the most fascinating characters in the franchise can be found there.
I read that Micheal Biehn was so pissed about them killing his character off he refused to allow them to use his likeness in the computer readout. For your edification, of course.
He was pissed not just because he wasn't in the film, but that he got word there was a full sized bust of himself (for his "death" scene) and that it looked like the chest was opened up. So he was doubly pissed that one- they were using his likeness without his permission and two- he believed he was going to be the source of the Alien in this film. There was back and forth between the studio and Biehn's agent who was threatening to sue. The studio asked if they could pay him- Biehn finally agreed they could use his likeness for enough money (his face on the computer screen) but "that *F'ING* alien does not come out of my chest!" He also said in hindsight that had he known that David Fincher would eventually become the director he is, Biehn would have allowed David to use his likeness for free as long as he cast Michael in one of his future films.
the one they did after this is reallllyyyyy weird. idk if you wanna watch it, but you should definitly do the prequel films (prometheus and alien convenant)
You really should've watched the Director's Cut version, the story makes much more sense in places with some extra backstory and motivations too, much better imo. Great reaction though, loved it.
I'm glad that You gave Alien 3 a chance. Too many people don't watch anything after Aliens just because there's is plenty of folks that are hating those movies. And every movie of original quadrilogy is very different and every one of them is great on their own terms. Yeah, both 3 and 4 have their problems, but they are worth watching, very distinct films. I think that some people don't like them just because they are so different. Yeah, Ressurection have huge 90' B-movie energy, but within those confines it is amazing. With prequels I cannot say that they are good, but they are still interesting to watch, if only to see how father of the Alien lost touch with his creation. And still, both of them have some fascinating ideas.
This movie gets a lot of hate but I enjoyed it, I found some of the dark themes in it interesting with a kind of redemption for some of the convicts. It felt different to the first two movies rather than a rehash, though the cgi let it down.
They had to kill Newt offscreen because she’d aged too much, and they’re not supposed to age in cryo. Everyone hates it because the first two were so perfect, but Alien 3 is still better than the average movie. Same with all the Terminator movies. I’d recommend the full franchise for each. They’re not perfect, but still worth watching.
Alien and terminator franchise share lots of similarities. The first film is the best in both. The 2nd is overrated in both, and the 3rd film is underrated and is really the best sequel in both. Because they go back to what was established in the original and have a darker and bleaker atmosphere than their predecessors.
Thanks, Grizz! 👾 My problem with this one is that the character of 'Newt' was dispensed with. But when I look at the movie objectively, it has its good points, even great points... including Ms. Weaver's keen performance.
My all-time favorite movie series. I love Alien 3 as much as Alien & Aliens. It has its own unique atmosphere, phenomenal soundtrack, acting and even the most epic ending. Also, it adds so many fresh and unique ideas to the Alien lore: xenomorphs taking features of their hosts, royal facehuggers etc. The final tunnel chase scene is one of the best scenes in the entire series. Not to mention the legendary Ripley/Xenomorph close-up moment
if you are going to continue...please watch the french film " The City of Lost Children" before you see part 4 ... to put you in the correct frame of mind ...that is what we did upon their release : it WILL make more sense...
no, this movie managed to disrespect the series in the first 3 minutes. I don't care about the performance and art direction after that - it took away the one thing that made this series unique. The way they built the second film off of the elements of the first, and rather than do that again - they just threw all that away. I'll never get over that. And in my opinion, the series never recovers.
Honestly, a couple of years ago i saw the assembly cut to this movie and I think it's immensely better. And while it doesn't put the movie exactly where the first two movies are. It kinda made this movie one of my favorites in the franchise. But i say, i am still upset about Newt and Hicks.
I enjoyed this film! And I'm just gonna say it, Alien 3 wasn't the best, but it might just be Sigourney Weaver's best Alien performance.
Thanks for watching, everyone! Next stop, Predator!
Her total loss of fear and ability to confront it freed of any concern for her own mortality or having anything to return to really gives her something that puts her on a different level from Ripley in the other films.
Cannot WAIT to see what you think of Predator!
Oh? Not Alien 4. The worst of all imo. The first part is decent, then ... falls apart.
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You should check out the Assembly Cut of "ALIEN 3".
It is almost a totally different movie than the Theatrical Cut (there are a lot of deleted scenes, you will be surprised about how much they actually cut out of the movie, and there are also a lot of alternate scenes as well). I actually think that the Assembly Cut is a lot better than the Theatrical Cut.
I'm honestly glad you did decide to watch Alien 3, yeah I think its the weakest of the three but it does have its place in the trilogy. I also grew up watching the theatrical version of the film and think its better. Yeah the extended version has some interesting scenes but I think the theatrical version is just a cleaner cut that moves smoother. Thank you again for the great reaction.
Fincher's vision for this was COMPLETELY different than what we eventually got. This was, basically, "Studio Interference: The Movie".
All of the elements of a good movie are there, but, the huge amount of interference from the execs kept it from coming together.
Because you gave this gem of a movie a chance, and went into it with a great attitude, you got yourself a new subscriber 🙌😂. I know even the director hates this movie, but I fucking love it
When you see the extended cut it makes a lot more sense. Just reading the original story and damn wish they had done that instead. I do enjoy this movie though.
31:53 Just a note- the Alien was never CGI in the film- for scenes like this it was a "go motion" puppet (as opposed to stop motion- the cameras would film continuously while puppeteers made the creature move with rods).
The reason it looks like poor CGI is the compositing was bad.
I believe there was one CGI shot and that was the Alien's head "cracking open" as the molten lead cools from being doused with water.
"Are you fucking kidding me?!"
Yep that's the only appropriate reaction to Alien 3's opening lmao.
I think he ascertained why audiences didnt like it.
No, it isn't
Now you have to watch number 4. And that’s a mixed bag of nuts.
I don’t care what ANYONE says. This film is absolutely FANTASTIC, and pure “Alien,” through-and-through. As one of the biggest Alien fans EVER, this is the film that got me into the franchise.
I love this movie, I agree it not the best alien movie, I think most people cant look past them killing off newt and hicks before the movie even starts and just say the movie is bad because if it.
@@TheLiverpoolOwenI like that they killed off Newt and Hicks. It took everything from her, leaving her all alone, hopeless, and yet she still steeled herself to fight the Alien.
I also loved the bleakness of this film.
@@arndnaj oh i agree, i don't have a issue with them being killed off, i just understand why people would do.
some people cant look past it and just call it a bad movie because the characters they enjoyed where written out of the movie.
but the movie itself is actually pretty good, (minus some of the bluescreen and cgi effects looking dated), i wouldn't say its better than either of the first two, but better than people say.
I actually like the Assembly Cut of "ALIEN 3".
This was actually my favorite Alien movie. It made the Xenomorphs horrifying again. A continuation of James Cameron’s Aliens would have been predictable.
There's an entire deleted plot line with prisoner Golic.... During the fire sequence, Junior (The rapist) sacrifices himself to lure the Alien into the nuclear storage bunker and they catch the Alien. Then Golic escapes from the infirmary and thinking he has a connection with it (cos it hasn't killed him twice) lets it free... You can see all this in the "Workprint" version. An the documentary "Wreckage & Ruin" on the making of the film is really fascinating.
The Alien is actually a Rod Puppet - not CGI, but they are REALLY badly composited... First Alien movie to have all CG aliens in Alien 4
I love that the company lied to the very end: It was just another Bishop android, even though it said it wasn’t. (As clearly evident by it having half its head hanging off after getting hit directly with heavy pipe/wrench.) Ripley was DONE with that crap.
There are a number of things I really appreciate about *_Alien³_* - It took a series about survival & flipped the script where you're forced to live with that predation as the only thing left, and where the salvation is actually a MASSIVE fear because the Company is _always_ the biggest threat, and makes the emptiness of death have a meaning where she could actually find a purpose in it that isnt failure, because it's still a victory over the Xenomorph AND the Company.
The iconic Runner & Ripley being face-to-face where that flip finally happens feels too iconic to ignore this film even if it doesn't hold up as well as its predecessors.
There was a TON of interference in making this film, and the other cuts are radically different (like seeing the massive unique Queen Facehugger, and the Runner emerging from an ox rather than a dog). The DVD behind the scenes stuff were something that gave me a TON of respect for the film managing what it did.
Playing as a Runner Xenomorph in the old PC game AVP2, you can sprint along walls & ceilings EXACTLY like the chase sequences in this, so it really is an important piece of the overall franchise despite its complications.
When it comes to the larger franchise, I tend to think of it in three sorts of continuities: Alien, Aliens, & AvP.
• Alien, Prometheus, & Alien Covenant are largely existential cosmic horror and in line with Ridley Scott's themes.
• Add in Aliens, Alien³, and Alien: Resurrection and you have more of the Science Fiction Action Horror as James Cameron's sequel carried a heavy influence also connecting to games like Alien Isolation as a bigger.
• Then you get the AvP & Predator films for a shared continuity to enjoy them as a bigger sort of franchise-level Sci-fi Action feel.
Given that Alien: Romulus has Ridley Scott as a producer and he loved the director's cut he saw, I'm VERY interested to see how the film feels in terms of those general categories.
To be honest, Ridleys seal of approval has lost alot of glitter after Prometheus and Covenant 😂
@@tapasprinsen I couldn't disagree more thoroughly, but to each their own.
Alien 3 is still the 3rd best Alien movie, especially when you watch the extended version.
If you mean the Assembly Cut (I know that that is what it's called) then I really like that version as well. It is almost totally different than the Theatrical Cut.
I simply do not get the hate for prometheus and Covenant... They are no where near as bad as people say they are...
@@warlorddk2070 Covenant is definitely as bad as people say. In addition to being a lame film, David being the creator of the Xeno's is garbage. Should have focused on the Engineers.
I prefer the theatrical version of this film. It flows better and it makes more sense that the Xenomorph came out of a dog, because of the way it moves. And covenant and prometheus are decent movies too, with very interesting philosophical ideas, stunning visuals and great creatures. you just have to kind of ignore the stupidity of some characters at times to enjoy them properly. Resurrection on the other hand really sucks. A lot!!😡
The assembly cut it definitively superior (cannot be refuted) but I do prefer the alien being birthed from the dog. 😊
See the movie in theater.
Believe me
Alien 3 is the first movie who made me cry when ripley die :)
The ost of alien 3 is the best .
The video thumbnail to this video popped up, and I was happy to see someone react to Alien 3, as mosts reactors don't. None of the one who I have subscribed to have made a reaction to this one, even they did to the first two. And now you have on more subscriber because of that!
Thanks for the reaction, will check out some of your other ones as well....
Now watch the Assembly Cut.
Welcome to the production hell that was Alien 3. The movie went through 5 different scripts.
The original William Gibson was described as "Commies in space" and had the Sulaco drift near space belonging to the Union of Progressive Peoples. They board the ship finding Hicks, Newt and Ripley in cryosleep and get attacked by a facehugger that was hiding in Bishop's torn up body. They then bring the ship back to their space station and are attacked again by xenomorphs and Ripley's cryotube is damaged, Ripley is put in a coma because of this and then Hicks and Newt get woken up. Newt gets sent back to Earth while they keep Hicks around to learn about the alien. Hicks then finds out they've been experimenting on xenomorphs with cloning and genetically modifying them. The movie then turns into what you'd expect from an Alien movie of Hicks running around a space station trying to survive. This is generally the script fans say the movie should have used as it seems to be the most fleshed out and Alien feeling.
Eric Red then got bought in and quit after 2 months because of how much the higher ups were interfering and he felt the draft that got delivered to Fox wasn't remotely his story.
David Twohy then got given Gibon's original script. First thing he did was get rid of the communism stuff because the Soviet Union had fallen at that point so they felt it was outdated. He also was the one to set the movie on a prison planet.
Then they bought in Vincent Ward who moved the movie setting again from the prison planet to a monastery. The monks there then think Ripley and the alien in her is a test from God. Then it goes the route of them thinking the trial is having a woman in the monastery and Ripley is there to test their temptations so they lock her up. It then focuses more on Ripley's struggle with knowing the alien will eventually kill her and likely everyone else and she eventually finds a way to end herself.
Then we finally got the final script from Walter Hill and David Giler which took David Twohy's prison idea and a lot of the religious stuff from Vincent Ward's script.
I do like a lot of Alien 3 mostly because of Sigourney Weaver but having so many different ideas from so many people clearly left some glaring problems with the movie.
@@roywilson4514 No one forced you to read it or act like a dickhead either yet here we are
The alien effects are more practical than you might imagine. There’s probably some CG involved with the masking and color grading of the creature, but it’s movement was actually done with puppetry. Kinda cool.
I’d love an alien puppet.
I always wondered what became of Golic in the theatrical cut? We all know what happened to him in the assembly cut..but theatrically he must still be trussed up in the infirmary. 😂
Hope you’re able to catch one day the Assembly Cut of the film since it’s far better than the theatrical cut.
There was not cgi on the alien (only some shadows and the break effect at the end). It was a full body puppet, but the movie need more post production to mix the thing better. Another bullet on the hell that movie was to make
Thank you, as always, for being open-minded towards anything you watch. Whether the eventual opinion is positive, negative, or somewhere in-between. You can always be counted on to be fair, and looking at the positives vs focusing on the negatives 🙂☺️🤘
Man Kyle I love you going back in time to watch these looking forward to more dude stay awesome 🤘
I'm an avid Alien franchise fan and even though I find Alien 3 lacking, it does provide Ripley a full story arc. And Ripley stands with few others as fully developed characters in cinema.
5:53 and you figured out why the audience had issues with it. I saw this in the theater but was 5 minutes late so missed the opening credits scenes. I was so confused and angry.
This is a really underrated movie, the best version for me is the Assembly cut. That is the version that is considered the closest to David Fincher's vision, although he declined to do a director's cut.
While not one of the best or worst of the series, I will thank this movies setting and color pallet for being a key inspiration for the original Dead Space video game
Speaking of videogames...
I actually really enjoyed playing the Alien 3 game on SNES. It was hard as hell and I never got very far but I thought it looked pretty amazing at the time. Keep in mind every single version of the Alien 3 games were completely different, play styles and graphics. I can't even take the non SNES versions seriously lol. So if you've played the others and not SNES's and were disappointed, don't let them keep you from trying the SNES one.
The color palette - even the coloration of the xeno itself - lends to the set perfectly in this movie. Definitely one of its best aspects.
I thought it was the worse of the series.
Nice to see someone doing Alien 3 for once.
Most people stop at Aliens which I feel is very unfair as Aliens is less a sequel than an action remake of Alien.
Alien 3 is most certainly a sequel in terms of giving us an original story.
I know many people hate this film, and it does have its issues, but I've always kind of dug it. Though my friends tell me my tastes are questionable.
The Assembly cut is far better and has a more coherent plot. Weaver really didn't want to come back for a 3rd film - took some persuading, it was supposed to be a conclusion - interestingly she also insisted on no guns, not wanting another shoot em up movie, I really like this movie - it's supposed to be a resolution and it achieves that - it's also about sacrifice and courage - it's aged really well. It was shot in a disused power station - they are real environments.
My favorite in the franchise and my favorite franchise long live Alien³ the special edition
There is no CGI in ALIEN 3 Aside from less than 1 sec of the cracking of the alien skull by water.
Resurrection would be considered the first cgu alien.
The Assebly Cut does have CGI in it.
Now you have seen the Theatrical version you really should watch the Assembly Cut which is much closer to what would have been Finchers version. It adds a lot to the story.
Fun thing to spot, the prisoner who found the dog was played by Christopher Fairbank, who played The Broker in Guardians of the Galaxy, Ulaf on Andor, and Dr. Mactilburgh in The Fifth Element.
No fan should ever tell another not to watch something (unless it's gross in a truly disturbing way). Every movie has value even if it's a lesson of what not to do and to give fans a better appreciation of those that work.
Alien³ also has value by not trying to mimic either of the first two films, instead delving more into a study of character, including the decision to break Ripley after surviving two encounters with the Xenomorph. It is also when they introduced the biological element of the Xenomorph taking on characteristics of the host.
It's seen in a far more negative light that it deserves because most fans didn't like losing Reese and Newt, but I always appreciated such a bold decision. Losing Newt in particular also contributes greatly to Ripley's decision to sacrifice herself. If Newt was still alive she might have made the situation worse.
The Assembly Cut is closer to the original Fincher version, but we will never get his true version since he refused to have anything to do with it after all the studio meddling.
My personal collection includes Alien - The Director's Cut, Aliens - The Special Edition, and Alien³ - The Assembly Cut. The only other Aliens movie I have is Aliens vs Predator. It's fun and adds to the canon rather than ignore it.
Bear in mind, about 7 years passed between Aliens and Alien³ productions. So, either killing off Newt, or Soap Opera style recast.
28:09 Nope. When Frank is killed there are 23 people left. There are 29 people: 25 prisoners, 3 staff & Ripley. Also, only 8 are killed by fire. I expect you assume Golic & Junior (Holt McCallany, tear drop tattoo guy) are amongst them seeing as you're watching the theatrical cut. Watch the special edition, it's far better.
If you haven't, I'd love to see your reaction to all the pitch black movies. They go the same route, starting off as sci-fi horror and going the action sci-fi route as the movies progress.
I very much dislike Alien 3 but can appreciate the things it does right. The sets are great, the cast is great, the alien mostly looks good and Fincher is a fantastic director as usual. What I hate is the story. It feels about as good as a punch in the gut. I’m not even upset about the death of Ripley. It made sense for her to sacrifice it all to wipe out the aliens and keep them out of the hands of Weyland. It’s the off screen death of Newt and Hicks that was the big slap to the face. Even the superior recut of the movie doesn’t save it from being a miserable experience. Oh well, I’m glad some people get some enjoyment out of it.
Honestly, out of the original three films, I enjoy the Alien³ score slightly above Alien and Aliens. All the scores are fantastic in their own right and really capture the essence of the films, but something about 3 just hits a little bit different, and I really love it.
I enjoy this movie for what it is, Love the cast and love the franchise. I think this one ads so much more depth to the grossness of Wayland company. It's camp AF and I love it for that. Weaver is always fantastic and badass, even more so in this.
I saw this years ago but have gained a new appreciation for it after your observations and reading some of the great comments.
"The CG doesn't look great" - that's not CGI. Computers weren't that powerful back then. That's the result of compositing a miniature puppet onto a scene and the lighting just didn't match all that great. They tried bringing the alien to life multiple ways in this film. Different life size puppets, a full on costume, miniature puppets recorded in real time and later composited, etc. At one point they even had a dog in a xenomorph costume, but I don't think it made the cut because it looked too silly.
There is an amazing documentary about the mess that happened prior to this film being made, how Fincher was brought in at the last of last minutes and how shitty the experience was for him.
Some of that shows, but I think David Fincher worked miracles to get this film done and I like it. I prefer the theatrical release because dog alien > cow alien. Also that funeral scene is edited together better in the theatrical cut as it works perfectly alongside Dillons’ eulogy.
Great reaction, i feel the same as you outside of the theater, back in the 90's , mad and happy at the same Time. Cheers from Chile. (Alien 4 it's by far, the lowest point, but if you like the monster like me, you need to see it)
The assembly cut is so much better!
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Alien 3 gets and undeservedly bad rep, imho. Is it as brilliant as the first two? No, absolutely not. But it's also not nearly as horrible as many people make it out to be.
I agree it's no way as good as the first two buts it's still a good movie , I read a proposed script for 3 and it was really dire way worse than what we got .
I would say the reason it had such a bad reaction from most of the common fans is due to there technically 3 versions of this film. The diehard alien fans are just mad that the third version of the film never made it to film. For me anything to do with the trilogy is great. It's the experience you have to have in each film. First was a horror. Second was a thriller/action and the third was a drama/thriller. You have to see what each one is trying to do.
Considering the mess of a production it’s amazing the film is as good as it is.
I really like it, especially the assembly cut. Even though it was never Fincher vision I think it’s a well made movie with lots to admire. Its biggest crime was having to follow the first two films which is no easy task.
I try to keep all the movies on equal level. Both aliens and alien 3 are cash grabs, the only thing that separates them is the money they made
Totally agree about Alien 3 it's no way nearly as bad as it could have been , it certainly is no Alien vs Predator Requiem which is totally dire and in my opinion unwatchable, Alien and Aliens are obviously the best of the franchise ( so far ) the first two work on so many different levels and in so many different ways it is really difficult to choose between them .
I feel like every movie moves progressively closer to the alien actually getting to earth.. in terms of environment and locations.. The first was on a spaceship, very far from earth.. second was on the ground, but still an alien planet, so still fairly far from earth.. this one was in a location that looked like earth, but wasn't, so getting closer :P
I like how you give these movies benefit of the doubt, regardless what ever was the reception. I like the series and I can still be flexible with it, and Aliens 3 is just fine as a sequel.
Oh, there's a bit 'o Bishop!! 😂😂
There actually was no CGI alien in this movie. The scenes where it looks weird its actually a puppet filmed against bluescreen.
There was *some* CGI. Mostly the cracks appearing on the Xenomorph when the water hits it, and I think the reflections when a prisoner throws a torch at it.
Its not cgi, it is actually puppet and compositing.
The year after Jurassic Park came out and changed everything.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought you were another TH-camr Chris Stuckmam LoL 😂 😂😂😂
Sigourney Weaver was dead set against making this film unless they killed her off, which sealed Ripley's fate.
Also it was her own idea to shave her head. However there was a clause in her contract that once filming ended and she started to grow her hair back, if any re-shoots were necessary and she would have to re-shave her head, she would be paid an additional $40 000 dollars.
Of course re-shoots were necessary- so the makeup effects dept made an ultra realistic bald cap that cost $16 000, saving the studio $24 000.
I like this movie, I've always defended it. I am relieved you liked it too. Most people seems to dislike it. I like the removal of modern weapons, just like in the first movie. It makes it more tense. However, It has flaws. You are spot on with the effects comment and props. Still lots of great scenes and I like the kind of dynamic it has with the religious prisoners.
Edit: I am confused, I remember scenes not showed here. Might be a different cut I guess.
I personally quite like this movie, even if it's not as good as the first two
There were NO CGI effects in this movie....
There was one cgi shot in the original release. The cracking Alien head in the leadworks.
It was the early ages of green screen one could say…
They used blue screen for alien 3.... but all kinds of color screens had been used for decades before this film, including sodium yellow...
Yes,the rest of the it's either Tom Woodruf I n the suit or a 1/6 scale rod puppet shot against bluescreen, which ironically ended up looking like CGI...
There’s actually only one CG shot of the alien in the movie, when they hit it with the sprinklers. The ones you thought were CG are actually digital composites of a practical rod puppet built and operated by Richard Edlund’s team. This was actually one of the very first films to do digital compositing.
I really recommend watching the documentary about the making of this film. David Fincher was constantly at war with the studio during production. He started shooting without a completed script and had to write it on the fly after Vincent Ward (What Dreams May Come) departed as writer/director after his own issues with the studio. Set construction had already begun for Ward’s version, whic( was to take place in a monastery rather than a prison. Fincher had such a negative experience that he refused to work for 20th Century Fox again until he was guaranteed creative control on Fight Club.
The “Assembly Cut” is a VASTLY better film and restores 30 minutes of the film, including an entire subplot surrounding Paul McGann’s character.
Hicks and Newt’s deaths were part of the story beginning with Ward’s original outline, mostly because Ward found the character of Newt to be annoying.
Legendary SF writer and father of cyberpunk William Gibson wrote a version of Alien 3 that would have featured only a cameo by Ripley, who would be comatose for most of the movie. In Gibson’s script, Newt is safely returned to Earth and reunited with her extended family. The story instead focused on Hicks, who finds himself trapped aboard a station full of researchers working for a communist colonial regime, who obtain the alien DNA and use it to engineer an airborne pathogen that causes characters to spontaneously mutate into xenomorphs. This story - along with another script prepared by David Twohy (Riddick) - were contingencies in case Sigourney Weaver asked for too much money. The Gibson script has since been adapted as a graphic novel, and also as a radio play featuring Biehn reprising his role as Hicks.
Ripley was killed at Weaver’s request, as she felt trapped in the franchise. At the studio’s insistence, the ending was reshot to include the chestburster. However, Weaver had already grown out her hair, and had a contract that would have netted her a significant payout if she was required to shave her head again. So the studio instead commissioned an elaborate buzzcut hairpiece that had to be meticulously glued down over her natural hair and blended in order to get the shot.
I love this movie but only the Assembly Cut.
You should see the 4th alien. She is back.
No Cg. The only CG creature shot is the cracks in its dome the Alien running is a maquette puppet they inserted into shots. Poorly I might add, they should clean it up with CG for a special edition.
Love the "I've heard the audience hated this..." and then 5 minutes in... D E A D FUCK!
If you want to know what Alien 3 could have been I would say check out the book Alien 3 by William Gibson. It’s based on a screenplay he initially wrote and was green lite but then the studio interfered and changed up the story to what we got. But the book is a fun look at a different way the story could have gone. Plus it doesn’t kill off all our favorite characters from Aliens
Fun fact: One of the conditions Sigourney Weaver wanted to participate in this film was for her character to die. I still strongly suggest you watch the Special Edition of this film, as it is superior to the original cut. This movie went over many re-writes and problems with the script, to the point where a lot of it was done last minute.
Definitely watch the Assembly Cut as it adds a ton more to the story with some significant changes. Alien 3 is a great conclusion to what was the end of a trilogy IMO. They got rid of the big guns and brought it back to basics in a way. As you said, Ripley was never going to have a happy ending after all she'd been through and she went out a heroine.
Contrary to popular belief there's actually only one shot of cgi in this film. When the molten lead is dumped on the Alien and jumps out. They douse it with water and the surface of his head cracks. That's the sole cgi shot, the cracks. CGI hadn't quite taken off yet back then.
There's a pretty nice (and very long) video on TH-cam comparing all the differences between this and the Assembly Cut. There are some story differences between them, such as the alien birthed from an ox, not a dog.
So no cgi you might say, then how did they do the alien, it's a lot of animatronics and rod puppets. I've always thought it was pretty decent looking in most scenes. When I originally saw it, it didn't stand out to me but much later viewings it just looks a totally different color than the rest of the scene. I dunno how I didn't notice it at all originally.
And that's the problem, they did a bad job compositing it into the scene, and definitely screwed up the color correcting. In the Assembly Cut they redid these effects and it fits much better. I think they may had added just a tad bit of cgi because it was put together years later. But I think only to blend it in better.
I like this movie, and though it's a shame about Hicks, Newt and Bishop, it didn't bother me so much they were killed. And at least it wasn't totally off screen as we did get flashes of what's going on at the beginning.
I believe Michael Beign was paid to return as Hicks though he wasn't in the actual movie. I believe there was an interview he talked about it. Was kind of an odd story.
Thank you for not listening to the nay sayers and watching this. I've seen lots of people enjoy these further movies in this franchise and also terminator, where you'll also have a lot of people tell you not to go beyond part 2. We're here for your reactions to things good or bad and not the nay sayers.
I subbed to the channel when I saw the Thing reaction in my feed. Thats one of like 3 movies I'll sub to a channel when I see them, even if I don't watch anything on the channel right away. Which was the case here. Haven't watched anything yet, until I saw the Alien 3 reaction and your willingness to give it a chance has caused me to go back to your Alien/Aliens reactions before I watched this one. I'll check out some of your backlog from now on.
Good reaction my good sir.
Alien 3 would have been better if just didn't involve Ripley, and instead focused on completely new characters dealing with the Xenomorphs. I understand Sigourney Weaver was the face of the series, and they were probably worried that audiences wouldn't be interested if she was absent. But if there was no Ripley in the movie, they could have done anything they wanted with the story and it wouldn't have had a negative impact on the ending of the second movie.
Also, the egg on the Sulaco at the beginning of the movie is a massive plot-hole. Many people just assume the queen laid it during her brief time there at the end of Aliens, or she brought it with her from the planet..but none of those theories work. The queen was incapable of laying eggs at that point, as she no longer was attached to her egg sac/ovipositor. Also, there is no way she could have brought the egg with her, as we see her chasing Ripley and Newt down on the planet right before Bishop picks them up, and she clearly is not carrying any eggs with her. You also have the problem that the first 2 movies clearly established that the eggs don't open until a host gets close enough...while the egg in Alien 3 is isolated with nobody around it, yet it still hatches. The eggs in the first movie were presumably there for thousands of years, but not one of them opened until Kane finally showed up and got too close.
For a fun, short trailer that takes a more action spin to the film, check out the Alien 3 "Trailer C" that uses the "Bishop's Countdown" music from Aliens.
Likewise, the teaser trailer is also an interesting curiosity- as it has the film taking place on Earth (which an earlier version of the film's script did).
Whenyou get around to watching Alien Resurrection, it's also worth checking out the teaser trailer to that film afterwards, which is pretty famous itself (and introduced a Bishop's Countdown-like piece of trailer music titled "Code Red" that has been heavily used in trailers and TV spots ever since).
Watch the 30 minute longer 'Assembly Cut' - its a far more rewarding watch than this theatrical one. Even in the original version however the complicated sound mix for a film of this vintage is surprisingly good too, lots of small conversations between the prisoners etc can be clearly heard with a decent surround sound system, it really adds to the atmosphere.
That opening reaction to hicks and newt was exactly my reaction! However I love this movie and the end to Ripleys story was such a good pay off. She really had the final say against the alien and the company. In my head the alien universe is a dark gritty and not a happy universe. As fantastic and a cherished movie aliens is I never bought into the 'family' storyline.
I'm not going to lie. Listening and watching Grizz react and give his sharp analysis in real-time somehow made the disappointing Alien 3 so much more intriguing than I remembered it to be. Perhaps I've been bewitched by the power and charm of the Wiz.
"He's the Noonien Singh of this franchise..." - I think you meant Noonien Soong. Khan Noonien Singh was the genetically modified villain from Star Trek TOS and The Wrath of Khan. Dr. Noonien Soong was the creator of Data, Lore and the rest of the Soong androids. In this case Bishop is in fact the creator of the Bishop androids, though he has a much longer legacy than you know to the Weyland-Yutani Company. I'm excited for you to learn of this in future movies if you're willing to put up with some of the lesser entries in the franchise, or franchises I should say.
And yet there is an ALIEN RESURRECTION.. And in a clever way too. 😊
I only came for the Sentry guns then realized they're in Aliens . . .
You need to watch the assembly cut of the film. Much better imo than the theatrical release. Alien 3 doesn’t get the love it deserves.
I don't have major issues with this. Probably, the CGI. I think the story just shows "you cannot escape it. Eventually you will die." Ripley had her chance, but went back. People hate that Newt dies. How could they "keep" her alive in the story? Also, I remember there was rumor that Sigourney didn't really want to come back unless Ripley died. For me, Alien 3 also shows that not even the worst humans can handle the alien. It's more cruel. The movie is dark. Ripley finds out Newt died. And that she has an alien inside. It's just dark. Souless. Anyway...I think people wanted another movie of Ripley saving everyone and sending the alien into space. Hahahaha
Haha I've just finished watching the reaction. I am glad how you reacted and the final analysis, specially when you talk about Ripley. Regarding chi, there were lots of issues during production. So it turned out as good as it could get.
I feel your final reaction, I was like that when I watched it the first time around. I was absolutely gutted. Also, do you do reactions for Trek? Discovery final season so far is epic and well worth a shot due to the linkages.
44:05 fun fact. It isn’t cgi. It’s a rod puppet and it’s terrible blue screen 😂
Special Edition the best❤🎉😊
This was the Alien movie that was on TV the most when I was a kid in the mid-90's. Despite its flaws and its obvious downslide from the first two films, there are a ton of things I enjoy about 3. The score, set, color palette, and some of the imagery are really fantastic. Clemens and Dillon are great characters as well.
I appreciate that you didn't stop at 2 like most channels do, and while I absolutely loathe the 4th movie, I'm looking forward to you getting to Prometheus and Covenant. One of the most fascinating characters in the franchise can be found there.
I actually really like 3 , i dont understand the hate it gets .
I also get the necromunda reference
I read that Micheal Biehn was so pissed about them killing his character off he refused to allow them to use his likeness in the computer readout. For your edification, of course.
Correction: he refused to let them use his likeness in Alien3 until they agreed to pay him more than he got for his part in Aliens.
He was pissed not just because he wasn't in the film, but that he got word there was a full sized bust of himself (for his "death" scene) and that it looked like the chest was opened up. So he was doubly pissed that one- they were using his likeness without his permission and two- he believed he was going to be the source of the Alien in this film.
There was back and forth between the studio and Biehn's agent who was threatening to sue. The studio asked if they could pay him- Biehn finally agreed they could use his likeness for enough money (his face on the computer screen) but "that *F'ING* alien does not come out of my chest!"
He also said in hindsight that had he known that David Fincher would eventually become the director he is, Biehn would have allowed David to use his likeness for free as long as he cast Michael in one of his future films.
the one they did after this is reallllyyyyy weird. idk if you wanna watch it, but you should definitly do the prequel films (prometheus and alien convenant)
You really should've watched the Director's Cut version, the story makes much more sense in places with some extra backstory and motivations too, much better imo. Great reaction though, loved it.
If only they landed on Sean Connery movie “outlands”
I'm glad that You gave Alien 3 a chance. Too many people don't watch anything after Aliens just because there's is plenty of folks that are hating those movies. And every movie of original quadrilogy is very different and every one of them is great on their own terms. Yeah, both 3 and 4 have their problems, but they are worth watching, very distinct films. I think that some people don't like them just because they are so different. Yeah, Ressurection have huge 90' B-movie energy, but within those confines it is amazing. With prequels I cannot say that they are good, but they are still interesting to watch, if only to see how father of the Alien lost touch with his creation. And still, both of them have some fascinating ideas.
This movie gets a lot of hate but I enjoyed it, I found some of the dark themes in it interesting with a kind of redemption for some of the convicts. It felt different to the first two movies rather than a rehash, though the cgi let it down.
The one thing "Alien 3" does better than the first two, is it's kill is more creative with hot lead melting.
Watch what you want. Don't let people coerce you. Check them all out and decide for yourself 👍🖖🏻
After Alien 4 you've got AVP alien versus predator. Assuming you've seen the predator series... Lol
now i'm really curious to see your reaction to the next film.
They had to kill Newt offscreen because she’d aged too much, and they’re not supposed to age in cryo. Everyone hates it because the first two were so perfect, but Alien 3 is still better than the average movie. Same with all the Terminator movies. I’d recommend the full franchise for each. They’re not perfect, but still worth watching.
Alien and terminator franchise share lots of similarities. The first film is the best in both. The 2nd is overrated in both, and the 3rd film is underrated and is really the best sequel in both. Because they go back to what was established in the original and have a darker and bleaker atmosphere than their predecessors.
Thanks, Grizz! 👾 My problem with this one is that the character of 'Newt' was dispensed with. But when I look at the movie objectively, it has its good points, even great points... including Ms. Weaver's keen performance.
My all-time favorite movie series. I love Alien 3 as much as Alien & Aliens. It has its own unique atmosphere, phenomenal soundtrack, acting and even the most epic ending. Also, it adds so many fresh and unique ideas to the Alien lore: xenomorphs taking features of their hosts, royal facehuggers etc. The final tunnel chase scene is one of the best scenes in the entire series. Not to mention the legendary Ripley/Xenomorph close-up moment
if you are going to continue...please watch the french film " The City of Lost Children" before you see part 4 ... to put you in the correct frame of mind ...that is what we did upon their release : it WILL make more sense...
no, this movie managed to disrespect the series in the first 3 minutes. I don't care about the performance and art direction after that - it took away the one thing that made this series unique. The way they built the second film off of the elements of the first, and rather than do that again - they just threw all that away. I'll never get over that. And in my opinion, the series never recovers.
Alien 3 may not be the best in the saga. But for me it was a good conclusion. Better than it was Alien Resurrection and Alien Covenant.
no cgi, miniatures
Honestly, a couple of years ago i saw the assembly cut to this movie and I think it's immensely better. And while it doesn't put the movie exactly where the first two movies are. It kinda made this movie one of my favorites in the franchise.
But i say, i am still upset about Newt and Hicks.