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Contrary to popular belief amongst the mechanic community I found that idling older vehicles for extended periods of time helps balance and settle the metals and everything in between; particularly in the cold winter months. I mean I could be wrong but then again who am i?😔
What’s the most needed is the improvement of battery technology energy storage. Energy storage of the best batteries today is poor compared to gasoline. A new material or design improvement causing much higher energy storage would be a major achievement, maybe then green technology will dominate the industry. But for what’s out there right now, ICE is here to stay.
What’s the most needed is the improvement of battery technology energy storage. Energy storage of the best batteries today is poor compared to gasoline. A new material or design improvement causing much higher energy storage would be a major achievement, maybe then green technology will dominate the industry. But for what’s out there right now, ICE is here to stay.
I have been designing and developing axial flux motors for 5 years mow. These motors are very compact and powerful, I use them for motorcycle competition. My smallest motor is 40bhp with over 60lbs torque. Weight right now is 34 lbs. I loved the show Scotty.
We need the battery technology to catch up with the motor tech, and also have a recycling infrastructures for the batteries in place before we can even think of going 100% EV.
It will never advance, the better way is Graphite batteries but they are twice as heavy as Lithium, and Lithium is already heavy, Electric ha stretched its peak, Hydrogen fuelcell will be the future.
Seriously impressed with the production of these videos! Concise, good pacing, quality visuals and just the right amount of info to get you interested. That's hard to do. Intellectual are too indulgent and the layman is challenged with the organization of all the info. Great job Scotty!
This has got to be his son on the production valve of these. Or and outside source. These are just wonderful with great drops and blurbs added. This is network quality stuff.
@@jessem.2807 This is just normal for a big company swallows up a smaller company who has the brains but with a small gold deposit. Now Mercedes will eat the brains out of the small company and then it disappears taking all the credit and fame.. This is what sucks, period.
As tech goes, I’m interested in where the materials will come from to make them. The material is already in high demand. These new EVs will have A lovely price tag to go along with them. 😊
@@radicalracing09 It will only get greener as they continue to innovate and get better and better. Companies are already hard at work at non lithium based battery tech so that will eventually solve the lithium mining issue. And Benz is not the only company working on better, greener more efficient battery tech for EV's. The temperature issues will also likely be solved over time. But in the end we have to start somewhere. So tired of the Anti-RV crowd who knows nothing about technology thinking ICE engines will be around forever. Sure they will probably have a place in vehicles until the EV innovation solves all of EV shortcomings.
My 29 year old GM 3.1 liter will have to do. Parts readily available. Mileage decent for such. I can work on it. No dealership controlling where it can be repaired/serviced, etc. No monthly car payment since the 90s. But it is entertaining to see what’s new.
@@geekynewz It will be awhile before the used market is flooded with enough EV's of different price points to where you will be able to get one cheap. Guarantee in 20 years you will see cheap EV's in the used market. Will it be $5000, probably not, but in time finding $5000 ice cars will become harder and harder as even current ICE car prices begin to rise. Car companies innovating and making cars be it ICE or EV's are not worried about someone shopping for a $5000 beater. They want to build what people want and what will make them money. If they didn't everyone would still be driving the equivalent of a Model T.
@@frederickbooth7970 Hopefully they lay you do but in the end car companies need to make money or there won't eventually be any used cars for people buy since there won't be any new cars to sell.
@@geekynewz Electric conversion! Old oddball foreign cars have been doing EV conversions for years now because of of the near impossibility of finding engine and transmission parts for these orphans. New cars are insanely complicated, which means expensive: that's probably not going to change anytime soon. Companies that make conversions like EV West are not that cheap either but that can change with more competition. Look on ebay for electric motors from wrecked EVs: I have seen much more reasonable prices there.
I have been studying axial motors and have found they are superior design for future EVs. All they need now is recirculating back EMF controllers to recharge or re-gauge power coils to make twice as efficient motor operation just like bedini did. 2000 km per charge is very attainable using a bedini style circuit to these axial flux motors
@@wokenfree Well, there is a big asterisk. The best electric motors are about 80% efficient throughout the entire cycle at best. Tesla cheats like most auto makers and only quotes you the motor's best instantaneous efficiency. Then there is heat losses and fatigue as we found out when they could barely get a lap around The Ring. The batteries and motors get extremely hot under heavy loads and eventually they have to be throttled back to keep from damaging themselves. So under hard loads, the efficiency drops a lot, closer to 50% for the entire cycle. Usually the battery pack gets too hot. There's also a hidden gotcha - and it's HUGE for Tesla model 3/X/Y owners. Permanent magnet motors have to be severely limited under hard launches because every time they overheat, the magnets lose some of their charge forever. Eventually under a lot of stress, they will give a fraction of their original power due to being run too hard for too long. In a best case scenario, the software takes over and the cooling system is working well. In a worst case scenario, it just gets permanently less efficient. Given that a typical model X is expected to have lost about 7% of its power due to age (motor) at 100K miles, the cheaper permanent magnet motors are 2-4x that depending on how you drive. Replacement motors will be a "thing" as they reach past 100K miles on some vehicles. Axial motors, while they also have permanent magnets, they are not as strong and do not generally have this problem as the masses being moved and amount of charged metal coils are such that they basically don't overheat in normal use, even when pushed hard, as long as there is some air flow. Aside from a complete stall scenario in a crash, but that should trip a breaker/fuse same as any other motor. Still, they also lose some efficiency as they age. Maybe 10% at 100K miles. Note that this is still about half of most ICE engines.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
@@lifemobile33 That's more than most gas cars put out, actually. Most cars rarely if ever rev over 3K rpm and maybe develop half their rated HP in all but 0-60 runs. And for decades, we drove at highways speeds barely making 60-70hp loafing in overdrive (every GM car in the 80s and 90s ever). 127 lb-ft of torque is plenty, especially since there will be two of them in most vehicles. 254lb-ft is almost what a Mustang Ecoboost puts out at the wheels (automatic transmission) due to drivetrain losses. That's enough.
Another home run Scotty. Sounds like the new motor doesn't move a car from 0 to 60 in less than 4 seconds, but does have an overall range performance at reasonable speeds.
I do think that it will benefit Mercedes and other manufacturers who see its advantages. It will definitely be interesting to hear the reviews in 2026!!
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
What do I think?? I think you are great Mr Scotty!!! Thank you for the content you always share with us... Love the new tech, looking forward to the future too!! Blessings to you and your family always from Puerto Rico with lots of love
Buckminster Fuller always emphasized 2 major themes: 1) aerospace engineering - out of NECESSITY - required low weight and high efficiency (low drag etc.) to perform well, and that architecture (& other disciplines like the auto) needed to learn from that example . . . and 2) that out of all the various applied physical disciplines, historically aerospace applied innovation much quicker than any of the others, while architecture generally was last. (Just thought I’d share that😊) Great video of Scotty’s!! 👍👍😃
@@JozeatTxb , sadly they still don’t really get it completely- not yet anyway! Think of all that single-use plastic choking the oceans; or our insanely colossal military complex. If humanity ever really gets it - assuming it hasn’t yet destroyed everything by then - it will finally have “arrived.” That would be blissful to live with!!
Scotty, I found this awesome. I worked in electric motor repair 23 years a part of my life and seen many advances in the designs for uses needed. This is most unique. The parallel rotor plates. Thanks for the videos.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
@@lifemobile33 yes, I wondered about that do to the flat rotors do not allow the magnetic iron density heat to ventilate. Such as ceiling fans, even thought the rotor is as a general duty electric motor the iron most be cooled. The Total Enclosed Fan Cooled motors have the iron cooled by being pressed into the shell/frame and fan with fan cover attached on opposite shaft end to force air over to cool the motor. So, not have seen one close up overheating (I r squared) does make since to issue.
Seems to me folks are ignoring the potential here as a generator head. A 100 KW generator head weighs like 1,600 lb. These axial flux motors might be able to get that down to 200 lb.
Why not stick with hybrid? Less strain on the already taxed power grid and potentially ranges well over 600 miles if we can decouple the gas/petrol/deisel engine from the drive train and only use it to produce electricity more like deisel electric trains. Several were acheiving 100 mpg+ using small deisel or gasoline engine powered generators and using that output to charge battery banks and drive the electric drive motor(s).
@FORD PREFECT🔷 no matter how you slice it, if you can upgrade the grid, electric is far more efficient than combustion. I loved my combustion cars but it is what it is. Going to enjoy them while they last.
A Holly 650 on top of a Performer manifold sitting in a Chevy 350 is all you need. Throw all that electronic goobly glop in the garbage. Call me a dinosaur, all I can say is I am what I am, and you know the rest. But I still love your videos Scotty. Keep em coming.
I'm an amateur mechanic who drives a car with a naturally aspirated engine. I'm very excited about this new electric motor. The silicon battery is very intriguing too.
@@DARKEST_VANTA TY, I just learned something new. I had heard something about the company and BMW gave them some funding, but oddly enough, not a whole lot from the "Greenies".
It's about money. The greenies (as you call them) did not make the money they were hoping to from 'green energy' (some of which isn't really that green. Gas cars and electric cars, according to recent research, have to be driven on average 100,000 miles before they break even in carbon terms (due not only to power sources, but also mining the materials for batteries). If a car goes in the crusher after 50,000 miles, the gas car will have produced less carbon dioxide. Until we have better battery tech, for many people that on drive short distamces, gas is still greener.
Recharge times is still the unanswered question. Going 600 mi. per charge on a cross-country trip doesn't work with an 8 hr.+ recharge time. Technology is still way behind what the politicians want. SMH. JMO.
Actually, most of those politicians don't want commoners to own a means of transportation, they want us subsistent on public transportation so they can tell you where to work, shop, and live. If you disagree, fine, but why have we engineered in so much to the traditional gasoline/deisel engine that it now costs nearly as much to buy a vehicle as it does to buy one's modest home. We had carbs that could get 50 to 75 mpg+ in the 70s and 80s that never saw the light of day. Here we are in 2022 with extensive fuel injection systems so computer controlled that one sensor fails and the car doesn't run, yet we are barely getting 30 to 40 mpg and only around 50 mpg on hybrids if you drive real conservative. The repair bills are astronomical. My contention is that this is to force most out of car ownership and into public transit. Similarly the push towards corporate/government owned farming versus private owned farming: the staple for 200+ years in America/Canada.
Flux motors are great but they forget to mention the more torque the more heat soak it generates equals less efficient, radial motors are less prone to heat soak plus easier to manufacture equals lower cost. I guess having both motor combos is a good choice utilizing both positive aspects. Another interesting motor is the Toroidal direct drive motor unfortunately still in experimental test & design phase, in theory it gives you both the positives outcomes from the radial & flux motors a all in one package, probably wont be available till around 2030 but hopefully they develop it quicker defiantly will be a game changer.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
One motor per wheel will offer huge advantages for off road use, and the ground clearance can be whatever is desired without axles, drive shafts, differentials or transfer cases to drag on the ground.
@@qdllc - There are HUGE advantages to One Motor Per Wheel. No transmission. No transfer case. No front differential. No rear differential. No drive shaft. No axles. No constant velocity joints. Traction control is easily implemented in software, where the complexity is free and reliable, unlike hardware implementations of ABS, traction control, etc. The axial flux motors are so small they can be implemented with disk brakes and not be much larger than drum brakes. Design the offset of the wheel rim properly and the axial flux motor would fit in larger wheels used for off road vehicles.
@@Liberty4Ever - True, but I’m thinking in terms of the rare minerals needed to make these motors versus the material used to make the parts they would replace.
@@qdllc - Good point, but people make a bigger deal of that than it is. Cost is a good indicator of scarcity. Have you priced the platinum and other precious metals in a catalytic converter, as opposed to the rare (but not precious) earth elements in magnets?
Plenty of motor designs, not enough battery ideas, or fast charging ideas. Only one solution is pre charged batteries in stations whet you can just pull up, swap out the dead battery for fully charged one and be on your way. For this to happen, all manufacturers have to be on board to make the batteries easily accessible. Swap out under 5 minutes.
Thank you Scotty for this video report. Right now in the USA, the current EV is NOT the answer for a majority of us. I can say with the 1,000 mile model of this Flex motor. I would be interested. The price of course needs to make sense as well. Seriously. Darrel
Scotty we can't stop technical progress and evolution. 100 y ago a choice was made to produce petrol cars since petrol was extr cheap. If the EV were developped at the same pace and research they would be much advanced and maybe also cheaper, now EV still have to catch up and within 10-15 y only EV will be allowed in dense cities because of smog and pollution ... I am also glad Mercedes is doing so much research to stay ahead the chinese who will flood the western markets with extr cheap EV cars at the expense of our jobs in the west. The consumer is king in all of this. We have to see the whole picture : price , maintaince, insurance, power, reliability, distance range etc. Petrol cars will still remain for a long time, just like horses still are ( a top breed Arab horse may cost easily +/- 3 million $ in Belgium ...) It only becomes highly technical and stacked with electronics and computers , the profile and job of a mecanic is going to be totally different too ... Last thing I have heard is that in European Mercedes garages they charge around 150 $ per hour ... so driving a car may become very expensive in the future and for ordinary people not affordable anymore ! Maybe we will have to go back to mules in the future !
I am not a really big fan of the movement to embrace the electric motor. Like you I am a automotive technician. So what bothers me is that the automotive industry is ready to throw away over 100 years of automotive engineering and technology to embrace the electric motor! There is a couple of problems here. What about diesel engines used in diesel pickups and Mac trucks? Can they be replaced with electric motors? What about airplane engines? Can they be replaced with electric motors? If not, replacing gas engines with electric motors will do little good for environmental problems. Tom Sisson
Yea, everybody beating the Global Warming Drum. Ain't Nobody got a soloution, but they want more tax dollars from me and you. Shits been going on before we came along and will be when were gone. Unless you can turn the sun off, oh and gravity.
27% of greenhouse gasses overall come from the transportation sector, and light duty vehicles are the largest majority of the transportation sector at 57%. Medium and Heavy duty truck account for less than half of the light duty emissions at 26%. Aircraft are 8% of transportation emissions. Getting cars and SUVs to EV will make a big dent in emissions. Long haul trucking and airlines will not be able to use batteries, but short haul hub-and-spoke operations from distribution centers can.
Evs will not be fully mainstream until someone creates the electric model T. Someth8ng the masses can afford and that can be produced in the millions. Until EVs become affordable they will not be mainstream.
@@rjvrj2134 What's wrong with being a neighborhood mechanic and being your own boss? I know a guy who works on Ford diesels, the big 550's. He's the only one in the area; most dealers don't have anyone who can work on those. He can schedule his own hours and his boss can't say anything, but he knows he could get paid better working outside the dealership.
exactly. The issue is that with today's car prices a working man is hard put to afford anything more then a 15 year old Camry with 150K on the clock. Where is someone making 50K or less a year going to get the cash to buy some $50K + car and still be able to pay the mortgage and put food on the table? If they want to sell EV's make a basic one with out a lot of the useless tech stuff like self driving and accident avoidance (Which have caused numerous accidents!) and sell it for $20K out the door. But that won't happen so a lot of people will be driving 20 - 30 year old gas powered cars until they can't get parts to fix them anymore.
In the year 2000, People thought the internet was totally incapable of handling future services like TH-cam and Netflix. Supplying battery materials and grid capacity will be solved because it's profitable.
I can't wait until everyone has electric cars and everything comes to a complete standstill in the winter because the cars batteries will only work at 20% capacity and our energy grids won't even be able to handle that...
@@johnmulhearn8856 how long will YOU last? At least with a IC engine you can have the car running and have heat, I'm pretty sure half a tank of gas will last longer than that bettery will. The world is about to get really crazy.
From the perspective from the Parts Department , we love it . There is no such thing as a ' perfect ' car and the more they make the cars difficult to repair, well... The Parts Departments will make $ . Imagine how expensive it be to replace these new - fangled parts . Cars get into accidents. This will be bad for the consumer . Insurance companies will raise the premium on these complex cars. Two weeks ago, a horrible chain reaction accident on a major highway, covered in ice, over a hundred vehicles and large full size semi truck and trailers, slamming into one another. Took dozens of hours to clear the highway. Dozens of tow trucks and emergency vehicles on the scene for hours. EV's will handle that endurance over ICE's , c'mon be realistic .
You really need to look at EV motor teardowns (WeberAuto and Munro Live channels) to see just how ridiculously simple these motors are compared to current IC engines and 8-speed automatic transmissions!
Sounds like the answer to a three-wheeler motorcycle commuter, 2 axial motors light body less road friction/resistance more room for batteries like an Aptera type model solar rechargeable too.
They can improve motor and battery technology until the cows come home but it still takes years to build new power plants. Classic cart before the horse.
And yet they shun one of the most green/power dense nuclear. Instead of comoditizing nuclear plants to make them... a) uniform [quicker to build] b) modular [scalable to accomodate power delivery needs] c) faster to deploy They instead focus on low density (low power per unit area of plant) "renewable" but less reliable forms like solar and wind with limited ability to store generated power during low demand. The latest nuclear technology also allows stored spent fuel to be reprocessed to extract more of tge remaining energy in the material so a reduction in mining until current stockpiles of spent fuel are consumed and new fuel could have m9re extracted up front meaning linger runs between fuel changes. Funny that no green politicians consider nuclear. I don't think they really want commoners to have sufficient energy.
Great job Scotty ~ you put a hell of a lot of info into this video. With all the development presently going on with EV's it must be how previous generations felt when cars first came on the road. Just think how far we''ve come since the first PC became available in 1971. Will be interesting to see what the future holds in 50 years and how far energy from Electricity and Hydrogen has progressed? It'll be like Petrol versus Diesel engines today and the war will continue to see which one uses less resources and creates less pollution...
They need to focus on making charging more convenient before they go this rout. I am not against EV but I do not want to buy a car where I have to worry about charging it every night, I don't even do that with my cellphone.
As a off road dual sport off roader rider, a reduced weight of the motor and battery from the current radial motors and lithium batteries will turn noise skeptics into believers.
Looks like they'll have to build more Coal fired power plants. To charge all the hazardous batteries. And how many batteries in one vehicle? How and where do you dispose of all those toxic batteries?
China still uses tons of coal to generate electricity, the US does not. Natural gas has been replacing coal for years now in the US because gas is cheaper and more efficient than coal for generating electricity (38% efficiency for coal vs 42% for gas, and up to 61% for combined cycle gas power plants). Also natural gas doesn't put as much carbon into the atmosphere when burned either because in one molecule of natural gas (methane: CH4) the hydrogen atoms outnumber the carbon atoms four to one. In coal, the carbon atoms outnumber the hydrogen atoms. As far as disposal: 5 Best Lithium Battery Recycling Firms for the New EV World: Lithion Recycling Inc. (Canada) Li-Cycle Corp. (Canada) Duesenfeld GmbH (Germany) Fortum (Finland) Envirostream (Australia) and in the US: Redwood Materials Li-Cycle Ascend Elements Note that we do not bury vehicle lead-acid batteries in the ground, they are re-cycled. Old Tesla batteries have been used for years in CA on their solar farms.
This is great news!! I love this, special thanks to nicola tesla. it almost sounds like this is “brand new, 133 year old technology” I’m happy to see it being utilized! great video! a masterpiece!
Aren't these the same motors traditionally used in computer hard- and floppydrives? The ones of which I've dissassembled look identical to those pictured in your video. An ideal set-up for these motors would be to mount them, along with their complimentary braking systems, inboard and then connect them to the wheels using axle shafts, the way Citroen, Audi 100 LS and NSU Ro 80 with Wankel engine have done
Yes they are the same style electric motors as used in PC drives! And notice how they cheap they are when built in quantity! Go watch EV motor teardowns (WeberAuto and Munro Live channels) to see just how ridiculously simple these motors are compared to current IC engines and 8-speed automatic transmissions!
As an owner of classic cars, I love my gas burners and driving them. However, the handwriting is on the wall, all the manufacturers are leaning towards electric vehicles worldwide. Technology and progress marches on regardless. To all the flag wavers out there complaining about our electric grid, doesn't America deserve the best infrastructure in the world. Our electric grid was great...but it's definitely time for an upgrade American infrastructure has really fallen behind in the last 50 years with no where near enough investment Make American Infrastructure Great Again!!
Franklin D. Roosevelt electrified rural areas back in the 1930s and the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 was pushed by Republican (!) President Dwight D. Eisenhower! We did it before! By the way, part of building the interstate highway system was getting gas stations built along the highway so that vehicles could refuel. Some background: Eisenhower took part in an Army exercise back in the 1930s to move a bunch of stuff on roads across the country (not using railroads). It did not go very well because of the state of roads back then. Then as supreme commander of allied forces in Europe (including D-day invasion) he saw first hand the German Autobahn network and was impressed. It can be done!
I'll tell you at least I think the truck technology is years away from being viable. You got these $100,000 trucks that can only pull a 5,000 lb load less than 40 miles or about that is not going to work for businesses or the general public. I think that most electric vehicles are unaffordable unless you can probably lease it maybe but the Battery Technology just isn't there right now and they have to figure it out for every type of transportation from little cars all the way up to huge diesels.
I studied airframe and Power plant in college 1985 and I would like to design a light aircraft for this technology using composite techniques that my instructor got from Bert Rutan (online) and this is really light and strong with a light motor and battery bank can be a game changer electric motors don't break down like recips and that makes it a lot safer
I just don’t think full electric is the way to go, the electrical infrastructure just isn’t there yet. Hybrid electric just seems to make more sense to me. Have a small economical internal combustion engine powering a generator to recharge the vehicle when charging is not available or you just don’t want to wait.
If you don't put tons of miles on daily: full battery EV (BEV) for short trips around town, and a small trailer mounted generator (gen-set) for long trips (turns the BEV into a serial hybrid). If you put lots of miles on then hybrid.
It's about the availability of resources. If it will take 180 years to mine the copper required for current projected EV implementation along with over 500 years to mine a the lithium required for all the batteries, Alternative technologies need to be implemented. e.g. the axial flux motor that uses less resources, liquid fuel cells which electrically convert fuels like ethanol into electricity eliminating the need for hundreds of kilos of lithium for electrical storage..
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
I've told you many times Scotty on this channel that when you do your research it turns out really good but when you just trash the electric industry whether cars or otherwise you're not looking at the whole picture. We all know the Auto industry and the oil industry has kept back innovation for many many years. It's time to let the innovators inventors do their thing and take us into the future. We need a cleaner Earth we have the capability to do it with our technology just have to make sure big money stays out of the way so that the innovators can do their thing. Whether that's electric or some other means or combination we'll see what the future holds
Flux means change. In this context, flux is a changing electrical or magnetic field. These fields have flux lines that define their presence. Cutting flux lines with a conductor induces a current in the conductor. This is the principle of a generator. Changing flux in the presence of a magnet creates a force in the magnet. This is the principle of a motor. See Faraday and Maxwell.
As you show in the clip, there is nothing new in axial flux motors as this was originally one of Tesla's patents. The physical motors exist in the consumer market for more than 30 years now and yes, this kind of motor is tailored-made for EVs. In 2015 my university put 4 150hp axial flux motors in the wheels of our e-racer. This was the first time we ever raced, got 10th place. Not bad for a first time. I was actually personally involved and helped the guys who worked on it (two of them were my colleagues). Gotta admit, the sheer power of these bad boys always overwhelmed me..
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
Looks like a big improvement on what is alliable now but the QUESTION I want to ask is about oil and its use. A barrel of is about 160 liters which over 60 liters is petrol 40 liters is diesel about 16 liters of kerosene black diesel for boats then we have LPG paint thinners oil for tires road bitumen plastics and a host of other products including oil for motors gearboxes diffs and grease which all have to come from the refinery in about these amounts. SO HERE IS MY QUETION WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHITH ALL THE PETROL????
i was amazed by the torque in the new sporty teslas. in just regular mode if you stomp on the gas pedal the car will violently throw you back in the seat. its not like a gradual push back into the seat its like getting rear ended and is a boooom then things start blurring by because your doing like 75 mph in a few seconds.
15 years ago I knew the only way to really step-up the EV industry was to invent a upgrade motor and battery solution to replace a CE to a EV in a pull-up and drive-off solution like Jiffy Lube. With "Imbedded Rim Motors" the engine bay or gas tank space could be used for batteries!
Can you imagine how long they've been planning this shizzle? From the planned economic shutdown of the world and hence, planned great depression with manufactured inflation included! Thanks for shows that still interest me, Scotty...I like listening to your opinions on cars & the current affairs. I turned off the tube long ago, but you can't avoid the same-old bad news...it's always nice to learn about vehicles, when you're a car-lover like me. Peace & keep the great programs coming, please...
I have a '61 Plymouth originally equipped with a 225 and 3 on the tree. I don't need nor want a high power motor. 200 hp would pull this car just fine. From what I understand one of these motors could fit in the space of the bellhousing if it can directly drive the transmission or mounted on the bellhousing with a flywheel to connect to the clutch. Direct drive could pose a problem in poor traction conditions with instant torque{no nanny systems in 1961}. Flywheel to clutch would require maybe 6" additional space of the engine compartment{the front end of the transmission would need to be secured}depending on the cooling system{air cooled if possible is ideal}; this would leave the rest of the engine bay for batteries OR mount a battery in place of the fuel tank or the space under the seats and mount a generator under the hood that could provide enough power to drive it down the road at 70 mph{range anxiety}powered by propane/cng or a small diesel engine{think diesel electric train}. Just on my wish list.
Amazing when you consider all the moving parts in the familiar IC engine/transmission, then compare that with one moving rotor in each wheel hub! Thats progress for you. Nice presentation thanks.
Yep. there's about 2000 parts in an ICE, and about as many ways it can all go wrong. They all have to move in perfect synchrony and the margins of error are so slim - at a relatively tame 3000 RPM, time intervals are already so short, they don't make sense anymore, so they use crankshaft rotation degrees to set things like VVT and ignition timings. Valves and injectors need to open and close, ignition coils need to energize, injection pumps need to build a literal ton of pressure, at exact, predetermined times, and they need to do all this hundreds of times every second, reliably. I am convinced that in 1 or 2 centuries, when ICE will be a thing of the past, they'll keep wondering why we used it as long as we did. Speaking as a mechanic here, I like them, I drive a car with such an engine, but man, they are a horrendously inefficient way to move around. 😅
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading. The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
Dictionary incorrectly defines flux as 'flow,' when in fact flux refers to flow changing over time. dI/dt, where 'I' is current (= flow of charge), and dI/dt is flow-of-charge changing over time. It's the 'changing-over-time' part that distinguishes flux from flow.
Interesting Scotty. I hope you field possible questions and express your opinions on future videos regarding this technology and what it might mean moving forward.
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Scotty, if I didn't know better, I'd think you are warming up to EVs. LoL
i love your documentary style videos, thanks !
Contrary to popular belief amongst the mechanic community I found that idling older vehicles for extended periods of time helps balance and settle the metals and everything in between; particularly in the cold winter months. I mean I could be wrong but then again who am i?😔
What’s the most needed is the improvement of battery technology energy storage. Energy storage of the best batteries today is poor compared to gasoline. A new material or design improvement causing much higher energy storage would be a major achievement, maybe then green technology will dominate the industry. But for what’s out there right now, ICE is here to stay.
What’s the most needed is the improvement of battery technology energy storage. Energy storage of the best batteries today is poor compared to gasoline. A new material or design improvement causing much higher energy storage would be a major achievement, maybe then green technology will dominate the industry. But for what’s out there right now, ICE is here to stay.
I have been designing and developing axial flux motors for 5 years mow. These motors are very compact and powerful, I use them for motorcycle competition. My smallest motor is 40bhp with over 60lbs torque. Weight right now is 34 lbs. I loved the show Scotty.
Will they work for regen?
@@adoreslaurel Regen is no problem with the right controller.
Do you have any tech that doesn't uses rare earth metals or high cost material's like the MAHLE did?
@@crusader6232Sorry, not yet. I just build sick hi torque low weight motors. Rare earths are essential right now.
@Colin Mitchell 60Ft/lbs, a hole. You know everything about me huh.
We need the battery technology to catch up with the motor tech, and also have a recycling infrastructures for the batteries in place before we can even think of going 100% EV.
Before we go 100% EV some one should start to build a whole bunch of electric power plants to charge all those batteries.
It's not necessarily just the batteries but all the extra electronics too.
It will never advance, the better way is Graphite batteries but they are twice as heavy as Lithium, and Lithium is already heavy, Electric ha stretched its peak, Hydrogen fuelcell will be the future.
It's on the way. Solid state scale up and recycling.
Yuup and we need them for ships and planes,only then we'll b cooking on gas!😬🤔🤔🤔😱🤔
Seriously impressed with the production of these videos!
Concise, good pacing, quality visuals and just the right amount of info to get you interested. That's hard to do. Intellectual are too indulgent and the layman is challenged with the organization of all the info.
Great job Scotty!
This has got to be his son on the production valve of these. Or and outside source. These are just wonderful with great drops and blurbs added. This is network quality stuff.
This is a Mercedes infomercial with all the money of Mercedes and probably even their production/advertising team. Yes, high quality video.
@@tomgreene7942 That crazy considering he doesn't say much nice things about Mercedes.
@@jessem.2807 This is just normal for a big company swallows up a smaller company who has the brains but with a small gold deposit. Now Mercedes will eat the brains out of the small company and then it disappears taking all the credit and fame.. This is what sucks, period.
As tech goes, I’m interested in where the materials will come from to make them. The material is already in high demand. These new EVs will have A lovely price tag to go along with them. 😊
And making electric cars is puluting the world just as bad as gas and diesel engines
@@radicalracing09
It will only get greener as they continue to innovate and get better and better. Companies are already hard at work at non lithium based battery tech so that will eventually solve the lithium mining issue. And Benz is not the only company working on better, greener more efficient battery tech for EV's. The temperature issues will also likely be solved over time. But in the end we have to start somewhere. So tired of the Anti-RV crowd who knows nothing about technology thinking ICE engines will be around forever. Sure they will probably have a place in vehicles until the EV innovation solves all of EV shortcomings.
VERY TRUE
@@adamn7516 in dreams
From China
My 29 year old GM 3.1 liter will have to do. Parts readily available. Mileage decent for such. I can work on it. No dealership controlling where it can be repaired/serviced, etc. No monthly car payment since the 90s. But it is entertaining to see what’s new.
For those of us who spent our entire driving lives owning $5K cars, how do I get into an elx car?
@@geekynewz
It will be awhile before the used market is flooded with enough EV's of different price points to where you will be able to get one cheap. Guarantee in 20 years you will see cheap EV's in the used market. Will it be $5000, probably not, but in time finding $5000 ice cars will become harder and harder as even current ICE car prices begin to rise. Car companies innovating and making cars be it ICE or EV's are not worried about someone shopping for a $5000 beater. They want to build what people want and what will make them money. If they didn't everyone would still be driving the equivalent of a Model T.
Our old 1984 2.8 liter in our S10 will have to do for us until the last of our days as well.
@@frederickbooth7970
Hopefully they lay you do but in the end car companies need to make money or there won't eventually be any used cars for people buy since there won't be any new cars to sell.
@@geekynewz Electric conversion! Old oddball foreign cars have been doing EV conversions for years now because of of the near impossibility of finding engine and transmission parts for these orphans. New cars are insanely complicated, which means expensive: that's probably not going to change anytime soon. Companies that make conversions like EV West are not that cheap either but that can change with more competition. Look on ebay for electric motors from wrecked EVs: I have seen much more reasonable prices there.
I have been studying axial motors and have found they are superior design for future EVs. All they need now is recirculating back EMF controllers to recharge or re-gauge power coils to make twice as efficient motor operation just like bedini did. 2000 km per charge is very attainable using a bedini style circuit to these axial flux motors
Twice compared to which motor? I've heard Tesla's motors are 94% efficient.
@@wokenfree Well, there is a big asterisk. The best electric motors are about 80% efficient throughout the entire cycle at best. Tesla cheats like most auto makers and only quotes you the motor's best instantaneous efficiency. Then there is heat losses and fatigue as we found out when they could barely get a lap around The Ring. The batteries and motors get extremely hot under heavy loads and eventually they have to be throttled back to keep from damaging themselves. So under hard loads, the efficiency drops a lot, closer to 50% for the entire cycle. Usually the battery pack gets too hot.
There's also a hidden gotcha - and it's HUGE for Tesla model 3/X/Y owners. Permanent magnet motors have to be severely limited under hard launches because every time they overheat, the magnets lose some of their charge forever. Eventually under a lot of stress, they will give a fraction of their original power due to being run too hard for too long. In a best case scenario, the software takes over and the cooling system is working well. In a worst case scenario, it just gets permanently less efficient. Given that a typical model X is expected to have lost about 7% of its power due to age (motor) at 100K miles, the cheaper permanent magnet motors are 2-4x that depending on how you drive. Replacement motors will be a "thing" as they reach past 100K miles on some vehicles.
Axial motors, while they also have permanent magnets, they are not as strong and do not generally have this problem as the masses being moved and amount of charged metal coils are such that they basically don't overheat in normal use, even when pushed hard, as long as there is some air flow. Aside from a complete stall scenario in a crash, but that should trip a breaker/fuse same as any other motor. Still, they also lose some efficiency as they age. Maybe 10% at 100K miles. Note that this is still about half of most ICE engines.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
@@lifemobile33 That's more than most gas cars put out, actually. Most cars rarely if ever rev over 3K rpm and maybe develop half their rated HP in all but 0-60 runs. And for decades, we drove at highways speeds barely making 60-70hp loafing in overdrive (every GM car in the 80s and 90s ever). 127 lb-ft of torque is plenty, especially since there will be two of them in most vehicles. 254lb-ft is almost what a Mustang Ecoboost puts out at the wheels (automatic transmission) due to drivetrain losses. That's enough.
@@lifemobile33 liquid cooling, duh!
Still need a massive power grid upgrade
Yah, imagine the cost.
Indeed
Shhh don't tell them, wait till they figure it out that they can't power everything with renewable resources like wind and solar.
Payed by the people who can't afford these cars in the first place
@@adamjohn0 Best to think of a solution sooner rather than later or we will be absolutely screwed when the coal, oil and natural gas runs out.
Another home run Scotty. Sounds like the new motor doesn't move a car from 0 to 60 in less than 4 seconds, but does have an overall range performance at reasonable speeds.
Why is 0-60 times so important?
@@pmscalisi there IS this thing known as "fun"....
@@regretabletangibility I know that. I like more aspects of cars than just speed.
@@pmscalisi Speed and acceleration are two different things.
I do think that it will benefit Mercedes and other manufacturers who see its advantages. It will definitely be interesting to hear the reviews in 2026!!
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
What do I think?? I think you are great Mr Scotty!!! Thank you for the content you always share with us...
Love the new tech, looking forward to the future too!!
Blessings to you and your family always from Puerto Rico with lots of love
Buckminster Fuller always emphasized 2 major themes: 1) aerospace engineering - out of NECESSITY - required low weight and high efficiency (low drag etc.) to perform well, and that architecture (& other disciplines like the auto) needed to learn from that example . . . and 2) that out of all the various applied physical disciplines, historically aerospace applied innovation much quicker than any of the others, while architecture generally was last.
(Just thought I’d share that😊)
Great video of Scotty’s!! 👍👍😃
graphene, diamond, graphite cooling //
Loved Buckminster Filler's out of the box thinking. Very unfortunate the world around him at the time did't "get it!!😂
@@JozeatTxb , sadly they still don’t really get it completely- not yet anyway! Think of all that single-use plastic choking the oceans; or our insanely colossal military complex.
If humanity ever really gets it - assuming it hasn’t yet destroyed everything by then - it will finally have “arrived.” That would be blissful to live with!!
Scotty, I found this awesome. I worked in electric motor repair 23 years a part of my life and seen many advances in the designs for uses needed. This is most unique. The parallel rotor plates. Thanks for the videos.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
@@lifemobile33 yes, I wondered about that do to the flat rotors do not allow the magnetic iron density heat to ventilate. Such as ceiling fans, even thought the rotor is as a general duty electric motor the iron most be cooled. The Total Enclosed Fan Cooled motors have the iron cooled by being pressed into the shell/frame and fan with fan cover attached on opposite shaft end to force air over to cool the motor.
So, not have seen one close up overheating (I r squared) does make since to issue.
Seems to me folks are ignoring the potential here as a generator head. A 100 KW generator head weighs like 1,600 lb. These axial flux motors might be able to get that down to 200 lb.
The axial Flux motor being the predecessor to the Flux capacitor of course
600 miles on a charge? Now were getting somewhere!
Why not stick with hybrid? Less strain on the already taxed power grid and potentially ranges well over 600 miles if we can decouple the gas/petrol/deisel engine from the drive train and only use it to produce electricity more like deisel electric trains. Several were acheiving 100 mpg+ using small deisel or gasoline engine powered generators and using that output to charge battery banks and drive the electric drive motor(s).
Pie in the sky.
Why don't we just use the patented Synthetic Carbon neutral gasoline that works in any station & any car. Look it up. Top Gear even reviewed it
@FORD PREFECT🔷 no matter how you slice it, if you can upgrade the grid, electric is far more efficient than combustion. I loved my combustion cars but it is what it is. Going to enjoy them while they last.
@@paultaylor7758To produce electricity like deisel electric trains Scotty said before it would never work on a small scale.
The world needs inexpensive economy cars that last and are cheap to repair. Basic. Not everybody is wealthy!
cool technology, but the marching greenies are forgetting the need for more electrical generating capacity... solar panels and windmills won't cut it
nuclear power is a definite option. More research on its overall safety would be a preferred first step before greater adoption though.
A Holly 650 on top of a Performer manifold sitting in a Chevy 350 is all you need. Throw all that electronic goobly glop in the garbage. Call me a dinosaur, all I can say is I am what I am, and you know the rest. But I still love your videos Scotty. Keep em coming.
I'm an amateur mechanic who drives a car with a naturally aspirated engine. I'm very excited about this new electric motor. The silicon battery is very intriguing too.
The silicon battery needs to happen now
Why don't we just use the patented Synthetic Carbon neutral gasoline that works in any station & any car. Look it up. Top Gear even reviewed it
@@DARKEST_VANTA TY, I just learned something new. I had heard something about the company and BMW gave them some funding, but oddly enough, not a whole lot from the "Greenies".
motorcycles could also benefit from these motors🐱👍🏿
It's about money. The greenies (as you call them) did not make the money they were hoping to from 'green energy' (some of which isn't really that green. Gas cars and electric cars, according to recent research, have to be driven on average 100,000 miles before they break even in carbon terms (due not only to power sources, but also mining the materials for batteries). If a car goes in the crusher after 50,000 miles, the gas car will have produced less carbon dioxide. Until we have better battery tech, for many people that on drive short distamces, gas is still greener.
Looks like Nicola's done it yet again. 👍 Smart dude.
Recharge times is still the unanswered question. Going 600 mi. per charge on a cross-country trip doesn't work with an 8 hr.+ recharge time. Technology is still way behind what the politicians want. SMH. JMO.
Actually, most of those politicians don't want commoners to own a means of transportation, they want us subsistent on public transportation so they can tell you where to work, shop, and live. If you disagree, fine, but why have we engineered in so much to the traditional gasoline/deisel engine that it now costs nearly as much to buy a vehicle as it does to buy one's modest home. We had carbs that could get 50 to 75 mpg+ in the 70s and 80s that never saw the light of day. Here we are in 2022 with extensive fuel injection systems so computer controlled that one sensor fails and the car doesn't run, yet we are barely getting 30 to 40 mpg and only around 50 mpg on hybrids if you drive real conservative. The repair bills are astronomical. My contention is that this is to force most out of car ownership and into public transit. Similarly the push towards corporate/government owned farming versus private owned farming: the staple for 200+ years in America/Canada.
Drive 600 miles, then stop at a hotel that has charging stations...you get there and they are all occupied for overnight charging. Then what?
Flux motors are great but they forget to mention the more torque the more heat soak it generates equals less efficient, radial motors are less prone to heat soak plus easier to manufacture equals lower cost. I guess having both motor combos is a good choice utilizing both positive aspects. Another interesting motor is the Toroidal direct drive motor unfortunately still in experimental test & design phase, in theory it gives you both the positives outcomes from the radial & flux motors a all in one package, probably wont be available till around 2030 but hopefully they develop it quicker defiantly will be a game changer.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
One motor per wheel will offer huge advantages for off road use, and the ground clearance can be whatever is desired without axles, drive shafts, differentials or transfer cases to drag on the ground.
Except, I think we will find replacing the gas motor with a large electric one will be more resource-friendly than putting a motor on each wheel.
@@qdllc - There are HUGE advantages to One Motor Per Wheel. No transmission. No transfer case. No front differential. No rear differential. No drive shaft. No axles. No constant velocity joints. Traction control is easily implemented in software, where the complexity is free and reliable, unlike hardware implementations of ABS, traction control, etc. The axial flux motors are so small they can be implemented with disk brakes and not be much larger than drum brakes. Design the offset of the wheel rim properly and the axial flux motor would fit in larger wheels used for off road vehicles.
@@Liberty4Ever - True, but I’m thinking in terms of the rare minerals needed to make these motors versus the material used to make the parts they would replace.
@@qdllc - Good point, but people make a bigger deal of that than it is. Cost is a good indicator of scarcity. Have you priced the platinum and other precious metals in a catalytic converter, as opposed to the rare (but not precious) earth elements in magnets?
One per wheel is fine as long as they are sprung weight.
Plenty of motor designs, not enough battery ideas, or fast charging ideas. Only one solution is pre charged batteries in stations whet you can just pull up, swap out the dead battery for fully charged one and be on your way. For this to happen, all manufacturers have to be on board to make the batteries easily accessible. Swap out under 5 minutes.
Thank you Scotty for this video report. Right now in the USA, the current EV is NOT the answer for a majority of us. I can say with the 1,000 mile model of this Flex motor. I would be interested. The price of course needs to make sense as well. Seriously. Darrel
Scotty we can't stop technical progress and evolution. 100 y ago a choice was made to produce petrol cars since petrol was extr cheap. If the EV were developped at the same pace and research they would be much advanced and maybe also cheaper, now EV still have to catch up and within 10-15 y only EV will be allowed in dense cities because of smog and pollution ... I am also glad Mercedes is doing so much research to stay ahead the chinese who will flood the western markets with extr cheap EV cars at the expense of our jobs in the west. The consumer is king in all of this. We have to see the whole picture : price , maintaince, insurance, power, reliability, distance range etc. Petrol cars will still remain for a long time, just like horses still are ( a top breed Arab horse may cost easily +/- 3 million $ in Belgium ...) It only becomes highly technical and stacked with electronics and computers , the profile and job of a mecanic is going to be totally different too ... Last thing I have heard is that in European Mercedes garages they charge around 150 $ per hour ... so driving a car may become very expensive in the future and for ordinary people not affordable anymore ! Maybe we will have to go back to mules in the future !
This isn't progress xavier. Axial motors have been around as long as electric motors basically.
I am not a really big fan of the movement to embrace the electric motor. Like you I am a automotive technician. So what bothers me is that the automotive industry is ready to throw away over 100 years of automotive engineering and technology to embrace the electric motor! There is a couple of problems here. What about diesel engines used in diesel pickups and Mac trucks? Can they be replaced with electric motors? What about airplane engines? Can they be replaced with electric motors? If not, replacing gas engines with electric motors will do little good for environmental problems.
Tom Sisson
You are right my friend.
Yea, everybody beating the Global Warming Drum. Ain't Nobody got a soloution, but they want more tax dollars from me and you. Shits been going on before we came along and will be when were gone. Unless you can turn the sun off, oh and gravity.
27% of greenhouse gasses overall come from the transportation sector, and light duty vehicles are the largest majority of the transportation sector at 57%. Medium and Heavy duty truck account for less than half of the light duty emissions at 26%. Aircraft are 8% of transportation emissions. Getting cars and SUVs to EV will make a big dent in emissions. Long haul trucking and airlines will not be able to use batteries, but short haul hub-and-spoke operations from distribution centers can.
Evs will not be fully mainstream until someone creates the electric model T. Someth8ng the masses can afford and that can be produced in the millions. Until EVs become affordable they will not be mainstream.
Who would have thought Scotty talking about EV's. 😄
Scotty will do anything (almost) to make a buck, except work in the garage, he's gonna be a big Hollywood (TH-cam) star someday, don't ya know.
@@rjvrj2134 What's wrong with being a neighborhood mechanic and being your own boss? I know a guy who works on Ford diesels, the big 550's. He's the only one in the area; most dealers don't have anyone who can work on those. He can schedule his own hours and his boss can't say anything, but he knows he could get paid better working outside the dealership.
@@rjvrj2134 He’s a smart businessman who knows where the future is, and ain’t gonna throw away his stake in it to try to impress xenophobic rednecks.
My hope, is with a wheel mounted motor. It will be cheaper, to retrofit old cars, one day.
Technology is changing all the time. Who knows what the future will bring. We'll see. Good vid.👍
Seems these AF motors will help motivate retrofits with bolt on hub motors on virtually any car.
I am still waiting for the affordable and practical EV. We don't need to go 0-60 in five seconds. We just need an affordable and practical EV.
exactly. The issue is that with today's car prices a working man
is hard put to afford anything more then a 15 year old Camry with
150K on the clock. Where is someone making 50K or less a year
going to get the cash to buy some $50K + car and still be able to pay the
mortgage and put food on the table? If they want to sell EV's make
a basic one with out a lot of the useless tech stuff like self driving and accident
avoidance (Which have caused numerous accidents!) and sell it
for $20K out the door. But that won't happen so a lot of people
will be driving 20 - 30 year old gas powered cars until
they can't get parts to fix them anymore.
In the year 2000, People thought the internet was totally incapable of handling future services like TH-cam and Netflix.
Supplying battery materials and grid capacity will be solved because it's profitable.
I can't wait until everyone has electric cars and everything comes to a complete standstill in the winter because the cars batteries will only work at 20% capacity and our energy grids won't even be able to handle that...
Imagine getting caught in a blizzard and it's -10 outside and the Interstate becomes gridlock...how long will the battery last???
@@johnmulhearn8856 how long will YOU last? At least with a IC engine you can have the car running and have heat, I'm pretty sure half a tank of gas will last longer than that bettery will. The world is about to get really crazy.
From the perspective from the Parts Department , we love it . There is no such thing as a ' perfect ' car and the more they make the cars difficult to repair, well... The Parts Departments will make $ . Imagine how expensive it be to replace these new - fangled parts . Cars get into accidents. This will be bad for the consumer . Insurance companies will raise the premium on these complex cars. Two weeks ago, a horrible chain reaction accident on a major highway, covered in ice, over a hundred vehicles and large full size semi truck and trailers, slamming into one another. Took dozens of hours to clear the highway. Dozens of tow trucks and emergency vehicles on the scene for hours. EV's will handle that endurance over ICE's , c'mon be realistic .
You really need to look at EV motor teardowns (WeberAuto and Munro Live channels) to see just how ridiculously simple these motors are compared to current IC engines and 8-speed automatic transmissions!
Thank you for your hard work getting us informed. We love you, God bless
Sounds like the answer to a three-wheeler motorcycle commuter, 2 axial motors light body less road friction/resistance more room for batteries like an Aptera type model solar rechargeable too.
They can improve motor and battery technology until the cows come home but it still takes years to build new power plants. Classic cart before the horse.
the power plant has been with us since the big bang people on earth call it the sun.
@@davevilla1061 Solar does not work at night - try again, grasshopper.
And yet they shun one of the most green/power dense nuclear. Instead of comoditizing nuclear plants to make them...
a) uniform [quicker to build]
b) modular [scalable to accomodate power delivery needs]
c) faster to deploy
They instead focus on low density (low power per unit area of plant) "renewable" but less reliable forms like solar and wind with limited ability to store generated power during low demand.
The latest nuclear technology also allows stored spent fuel to be reprocessed to extract more of tge remaining energy in the material so a reduction in mining until current stockpiles of spent fuel are consumed and new fuel could have m9re extracted up front meaning linger runs between fuel changes. Funny that no green politicians consider nuclear. I don't think they really want commoners to have sufficient energy.
@@donaldcarey114 some of the new solar panels work at night
@@davevilla1061 The ones that supossedly work on the near infared - they don't produce squat.
Michael Faraday invented the axial flux motor, not Nikola Tesla.
Great job Scotty ~ you put a hell of a lot of info into this video.
With all the development presently going on with EV's it must be how previous generations felt when cars first came on the road.
Just think how far we''ve come since the first PC became available in 1971. Will be interesting to see what the future holds in 50 years and how far energy from Electricity and Hydrogen has progressed? It'll be like Petrol versus Diesel engines today and the war will continue to see which one uses less resources and creates less pollution...
You do not understand much about the use of hydrogen in electricity storage and production.
They need to focus on making charging more convenient before they go this rout. I am not against EV but I do not want to buy a car where I have to worry about charging it every night, I don't even do that with my cellphone.
Sounds great, thanks again Nikola!!
As a off road dual sport off roader rider, a reduced weight of the motor and battery from the current radial motors and lithium batteries will turn noise skeptics into believers.
Looks like they'll have to build more Coal fired power plants. To charge all the hazardous batteries. And how many batteries in one vehicle? How and where do you dispose of all those toxic batteries?
Most are highly recyclable
@@penguinrevolution9041recycling don't make me laugh 😂
China still uses tons of coal to generate electricity, the US does not. Natural gas has been replacing coal for years now in the US because gas is cheaper and more efficient than coal for generating electricity (38% efficiency for coal vs 42% for gas, and up to 61% for combined cycle gas power plants). Also natural gas doesn't put as much carbon into the atmosphere when burned either because in one molecule of natural gas (methane: CH4) the hydrogen atoms outnumber the carbon atoms four to one. In coal, the carbon atoms outnumber the hydrogen atoms.
As far as disposal:
5 Best Lithium Battery Recycling Firms for the New EV World:
Lithion Recycling Inc. (Canada)
Li-Cycle Corp. (Canada)
Duesenfeld GmbH (Germany)
Fortum (Finland)
Envirostream (Australia)
and in the US:
Redwood Materials
Li-Cycle
Ascend Elements
Note that we do not bury vehicle lead-acid batteries in the ground, they are re-cycled. Old Tesla batteries have been used for years in CA on their solar farms.
I am glad you mentioned the Aircraft application of these motors...
More of Nicola Tesla’s brilliance still being discovered
More compact, less weight and less materials needed. That's a plus
More complexity and more to fix
This is great news!! I love this, special thanks to nicola tesla. it almost sounds like this is “brand new, 133 year old technology” I’m happy to see it being utilized!
great video! a masterpiece!
Nothing to do with Nicola Tesla. Most things electrical have nothing to do with Tesla despite what fanboys might think.
It’s a BRAVE NEW WORLD out there people, go get it!
Aren't these the same motors traditionally used in computer hard- and floppydrives? The ones of which I've dissassembled look identical to those pictured in your video.
An ideal set-up for these motors would be to mount them, along with their complimentary braking systems, inboard and then connect them to the wheels using axle shafts, the way Citroen, Audi 100 LS and NSU Ro 80 with Wankel engine have done
they also look like ceiling fan motors to me..
Yes they are the same style electric motors as used in PC drives! And notice how they cheap they are when built in quantity! Go watch EV motor teardowns (WeberAuto and Munro Live channels) to see just how ridiculously simple these motors are compared to current IC engines and 8-speed automatic transmissions!
As an owner of classic cars, I love my gas burners and driving them.
However, the handwriting is on the wall, all the manufacturers are leaning towards electric vehicles worldwide.
Technology and progress marches on regardless.
To all the flag wavers out there complaining about our electric grid, doesn't America deserve the best infrastructure in the world.
Our electric grid was great...but it's definitely time for an upgrade
American infrastructure has really fallen behind in the last 50 years with no where near enough investment
Make American Infrastructure Great Again!!
Franklin D. Roosevelt electrified rural areas back in the 1930s and the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 was pushed by Republican (!) President Dwight D. Eisenhower! We did it before! By the way, part of building the interstate highway system was getting gas stations built along the highway so that vehicles could refuel. Some background: Eisenhower took part in an Army exercise back in the 1930s to move a bunch of stuff on roads across the country (not using railroads). It did not go very well because of the state of roads back then. Then as supreme commander of allied forces in Europe (including D-day invasion) he saw first hand the German Autobahn network and was impressed. It can be done!
I'll tell you at least I think the truck technology is years away from being viable. You got these $100,000 trucks that can only pull a 5,000 lb load less than 40 miles or about that is not going to work for businesses or the general public. I think that most electric vehicles are unaffordable unless you can probably lease it maybe but the Battery Technology just isn't there right now and they have to figure it out for every type of transportation from little cars all the way up to huge diesels.
Thank you professor Scotty for another interesting lecture
3:22 Axial Flux motors have power curves like turbo-diesels and radial motors have power bands like petrols
I love your videos like this about emerging technology in the vehicle industry. Thanks!
It is OLD tech
It’s nice to see someone else worked on traditional combustion cars all their life embraced the new future of EV’s
8 minutes and over a thousand views. Go Scotty
I studied airframe and Power plant in college 1985 and I would like to design a light aircraft for this technology using composite techniques that my instructor got from Bert Rutan (online) and this is really light and strong with a light motor and battery bank can be a game changer electric motors don't break down like recips and that makes it a lot safer
I just don’t think full electric is the way to go, the electrical infrastructure just isn’t there yet. Hybrid electric just seems to make more sense to me. Have a small economical internal combustion engine powering a generator to recharge the vehicle when charging is not available or you just don’t want to wait.
If you don't put tons of miles on daily: full battery EV (BEV) for short trips around town, and a small trailer mounted generator (gen-set) for long trips (turns the BEV into a serial hybrid). If you put lots of miles on then hybrid.
It's about the availability of resources. If it will take 180 years to mine the copper required for current projected EV implementation along with over 500 years to mine a the lithium required for all the batteries, Alternative technologies need to be implemented. e.g. the axial flux motor that uses less resources, liquid fuel cells which electrically convert fuels like ethanol into electricity eliminating the need for hundreds of kilos of lithium for electrical storage..
Very informative information Scotty might have to look into Mercedes stock
I wish you the best in these market conditions and cycle
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
Very usable info actually, thanks👍
Axial pancake 🥞 motors is what the original Honda Insight has inside
…pancakes 🤤
I've told you many times Scotty on this channel that when you do your research it turns out really good but when you just trash the electric industry whether cars or otherwise you're not looking at the whole picture. We all know the Auto industry and the oil industry has kept back innovation for many many years. It's time to let the innovators inventors do their thing and take us into the future. We need a cleaner Earth we have the capability to do it with our technology just have to make sure big money stays out of the way so that the innovators can do their thing. Whether that's electric or some other means or combination we'll see what the future holds
Flux capacitor 🤯and the real Tesla. 😎
What about neighborhood nuclear power plants? I heard Toshiba had developed those for apartment complexes.
The world has still not got enough lithium for Batteries that last only ten years
Flux means change. In this context, flux is a changing electrical or magnetic field. These fields have flux lines that define their presence. Cutting flux lines with a conductor induces a current in the conductor. This is the principle of a generator. Changing flux in the presence of a magnet creates a force in the magnet. This is the principle of a motor. See Faraday and Maxwell.
Well played on the total time of the video Scotty. 11:11 total time. *tip of the cap*
The band is only in a few states
Hello Scotty have a great weekend!
As you show in the clip, there is nothing new in axial flux motors as this was originally one of Tesla's patents. The physical motors exist in the consumer market for more than 30 years now and yes, this kind of motor is tailored-made for EVs. In 2015 my university put 4 150hp axial flux motors in the wheels of our e-racer. This was the first time we ever raced, got 10th place. Not bad for a first time. I was actually personally involved and helped the guys who worked on it (two of them were my colleagues). Gotta admit, the sheer power of these bad boys always overwhelmed me..
Of all the things that shocked the car industry, I thought a new electric motor would be one of them.
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
S, where is all the electricity to come from? In CA they don't want you to charge in the summer - BLACKOUT problem.
Scotty, Hickok45, and whistlin diesel walk into a....
Only Hickok walks out. Hehe
Looks like a big improvement on what is alliable now but the QUESTION I want to ask is about oil and its use. A barrel of is about 160 liters which over 60 liters is petrol 40 liters is diesel about 16 liters of kerosene black diesel for boats then we have LPG paint thinners oil for tires road bitumen plastics and a host of other products including oil for motors gearboxes diffs and grease which all have to come from the refinery in about these amounts. SO HERE IS MY QUETION WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHITH ALL THE PETROL????
What’s new in world energy plants to charge all these electric vehicles?
Hey Scotty!! You amaze me every time!! I like your mini documentary videos!!
LOve these informative videos!
i was amazed by the torque in the new sporty teslas. in just regular mode if you stomp on the gas pedal the car will violently throw you back in the seat. its not like a gradual push back into the seat its like getting rear ended and is a boooom then things start blurring by because your doing like 75 mph in a few seconds.
But is it affordable?
Mercedes? HELL NO! LOL.
15 years ago I knew the only way to really step-up the EV industry was to invent a upgrade motor and battery solution to replace a CE to a EV in a pull-up and drive-off solution like Jiffy Lube. With "Imbedded Rim Motors" the engine bay or gas tank space could be used for batteries!
Can you imagine how long they've been planning this shizzle?
From the planned economic shutdown of the world and hence, planned great depression with manufactured inflation included!
Thanks for shows that still interest me, Scotty...I like listening to your opinions on cars & the current affairs.
I turned off the tube long ago, but you can't avoid the same-old bad news...it's always nice to learn about vehicles, when you're a car-lover like me.
Peace & keep the great programs coming, please...
I have a '61 Plymouth originally equipped with a 225 and 3 on the tree. I don't need nor want a high power motor. 200 hp would pull this car just fine. From what I understand one of these motors could fit in the space of the bellhousing if it can directly drive the transmission or mounted on the bellhousing with a flywheel to connect to the clutch. Direct drive could pose a problem in poor traction conditions with instant torque{no nanny systems in 1961}. Flywheel to clutch would require maybe 6" additional space of the engine compartment{the front end of the transmission would need to be secured}depending on the cooling system{air cooled if possible is ideal}; this would leave the rest of the engine bay for batteries OR mount a battery in place of the fuel tank or the space under the seats and mount a generator under the hood that could provide enough power to drive it down the road at 70 mph{range anxiety}powered by propane/cng or a small diesel engine{think diesel electric train}. Just on my wish list.
Premium AMG please! Black and silver of course! 😉
Amazing when you consider all the moving parts in the familiar IC engine/transmission, then compare that with one moving rotor in each wheel hub! Thats progress for you. Nice presentation thanks.
Yep. there's about 2000 parts in an ICE, and about as many ways it can all go wrong. They all have to move in perfect synchrony and the margins of error are so slim - at a relatively tame 3000 RPM, time intervals are already so short, they don't make sense anymore, so they use crankshaft rotation degrees to set things like VVT and ignition timings. Valves and injectors need to open and close, ignition coils need to energize, injection pumps need to build a literal ton of pressure, at exact, predetermined times, and they need to do all this hundreds of times every second, reliably. I am convinced that in 1 or 2 centuries, when ICE will be a thing of the past, they'll keep wondering why we used it as long as we did. Speaking as a mechanic here, I like them, I drive a car with such an engine, but man, they are a horrendously inefficient way to move around. 😅
@@longbow192 yes, i've had more IC engines apart than many people have had hot dinners, and some of them went back together again and worked!
This is extremely interesting. Mercedes has always been a leader in implementing new technology.
Taxis for everyone!
Why don't we just use the patented Synthetic Carbon neutral gasoline that works in any station & any car. Look it up. Top Gear even reviewed it
I was one of the first to use YASA in 2017. The motor spec on the YASA 400 series only has 390Nm peak and 300 Nm or power continuous. This is great for short take off speed but the motor performance gets much much worse as you keep reading.
The problem with these motors is that they overheat because of the pancake design. As seen in the YASA spec sheet that the actual continuous rating is at 6000 rpm at only 170Nm. This means the motors actual continuous power is only 127 ft lbs of torque. Now tell me what you think or go see more by typing in "Edward Monfort" in the youTube search bar.
Dictionary incorrectly defines flux as 'flow,' when in fact flux refers to flow changing over time. dI/dt, where 'I' is current (= flow of charge), and dI/dt is flow-of-charge changing over time. It's the 'changing-over-time' part that distinguishes flux from flow.
Interesting Scotty. I hope you field possible questions and express your opinions on future videos regarding this technology and what it might mean moving forward.
electric flights? my god that sounds scary..
Does the flux capacitor use raw garbage ?
That's ridiculous, they are expensive cars you have to cook it and put put photos on instagram before you can even open the door!
An 11 min vid on one breath of air is really impressive.
Is that why he talks so fast... lol. I have to drop the playback speed down to .75 so that my brain has time to absorb what my ears are hearing.
@@marvinturchinetz1955 i usually watch all vids at 1.5X but I have to watch his at 1.25X.
Always love your industry tech reviews. These are informative and educational. Thank you.
We called them pancake motors. They've used these on pumps on minesweeper ships in the Navy for some time.
Its not the motor, its the damn battery that is the problem.
Great job explaining this concept so that almost anyone can at least learn something about axial flux motors and what is coming in the next few years,
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Edit: You guys have a better idea to call Mercedes that. Tell me your ideas.
In South Africa, the Afrikaners call Mercedes Benz cars Merks! LOL
M e r c e d e s. One million sensors
It's about that Nicolas technology again mark my words that we'll be doing what he wanted in the end....free energy for everyone!!