The Overmind Cocoons are there for Zerg players' benefits to defend the ramp with Sunkens, for better matchup balances. Of course, this also opens up the possibility for Sunken rushes, or Nydus Canals in one of the unoccupied spawning locations. The natural on Ringing Bloom is placed towards the back as opposed to many other 4P maps, so matches here are more interesting especially during ASL10.
@@FalconPaladin [ENG] AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S10 Ro.24 - can build into it'(overmind). I don't remember exactly in which group(and match) zerg used it for sunken rush& push but when I rewatch all matches again I will memorize it and will send you the link. Cocoons also benefits P and T making base entrance wallable.
@@FalconPaladin Here's a good example in ASL10, Ro. 24 Day 2, sSak vs SoulKey (timestamp 1 hour mark) th-cam.com/video/m6U4mpWiPR0/w-d-xo.html SoulKey uses the creep on the Overmind Cocoons to build two Sunkens to repel the push by sSak on SoulKey's 4th base.
General hindsight says Sorry should have won this game. He made some bad decisions at the end of the match. The DT-strat, as fun as may be, was a play with an already beaten enemy. Nevertheless thank you FalPal as always and take care!
The first broodwar mission is actually a jungle tile set lol but I know what you mean I was blown away with the Shakuras tile set the first time I saw it too
so even if Bisu's main base went at the end I guess Bisus would have won the same way , maybe at the end if he would have sieged the tanks and did some friendly fire, but still there were the corsairs .. some nice battle
In my opinion the terran should had rush with tanks and wraiths plus some ghost. Vultures are useless against mass army. Some EMP from science vessels he lost his bases requires alot of multitasking. The goliath alone are not able to accomplish things. Too many targets. Tanks will destroy protoss bases and the wraiths will distract the carriers. The ghost will lockdown and the science vessels will EMP. Ghost upgrades are expensive but he lost more, he lost his base. The wraiths will directly target the carrier no the other targets.
I'm sorry but just constructive criticism, I know you are very busy but it's apparent you don't watch ASL. Watching it would really expand your knowledge of the game as well as the new maps.
1:00 - this brood war tile set inspired me while i was remodeling my bathroom. it has mostly gray and light blue overtones with accents of textured dark blue just like this map.
very strategic playing by Bisu. Sorry was out-macroing him and taking down nexuses And Bisu just takes down all detection with his healthy carriers. Great game.
I think they Bengalas are at low health so the opponent can kill them if an enemy zerg has put parasite on one and I dont know if they changed it but in the original Star craft you could parasite passive creatures and it would work quite easily. Agian it could be that it was changed but that's what I remmber from OG star craft.
I really wanna know how they made this map. I really wanna know how to make the horizontal and vertical ramps. The tileset does not hold any default tiles that would allow for ramps like those to be made, atleast according to SCMDraft2
Sorry really could’ve won, he pushed Bisu so far but made some crucial mistakes that lead to the downfall. Also Carrier’s ability to spam skies with interceptors will never stop being annoying to me.
Of course, the Protoss wouldn't want to lose in their Shakuras homeworld. Jokes aside, that was epic from Bisu. From the looks of it, Sorry had a mental breakdown when the Carriers moved in.
Sorry was way too indecisive. He could have easily won but instead allowed Bisus bases to continue mining which would have hurt the intercepters from being made by the Carriers.
I wonder if it would have been possible for Sorry to make a clump of cloaked wraiths and target the carriers when they engaged his ground army. Or would that have taken too much time/production?
Sorry had some opportunities to wipe out Bisu a couple of times but he retreated to defend his bases, and those dark templates in the very end were huge (with no scans or science vessels available). This is the first time I see this kind of game, that's one of the things I love the most about Starcraft: you rarely see a game similar to another one.
Sorry could have won this game had he goes with valkyries and few science vessels bcoz the Goliath can’t chase carriers and carriers was the threat all along until the end when the detection is gone.
Great game! I know pros never make air against carriers. The balanced ground/air army that bisu used makes sorry stick with goliaths. But in the end game I can't help but think 4 or 5 wraiths might have made sense. Sniping observers with goliathd to use cloak like zerg snipes observers to use lurkers. Idk. Carriers are just so hard to play against. Seems like the majority of times when carriers lose its if they lose before there are 6 of them out on the map. Once they're out on the map, they almost always win by snipong bases. The exception is when the protoss player goes all carriers and neglects having some ground army for balance. Fun and fascinating game. Thanks Falcon.
Two or three valkyries kill interceptors far faster than they can be rebuilt, way more effective than wraiths. The armor protects them pretty well against interceptor attacks as well. Yet ive rarely seen them in a pro match. I guess it is because of the upgrades.
(Around 1:40 I think) I am not sure if this is the same map that was commented on. But Artosis in a recent video said that Creep Colonies (and even Nydus Canals) can be built on the same spot as the Overmind Cocoon (I am not entirely sure the details of that he made it sound like they didn't have to be destroyed first, but I am not sure). [Edit] I think it is the same map he was talking about. It looks the same. Apparently it is to keep the map balanced for the different races at Pro level gameplay. (Apologies if this has been commented on already, at a quick glance, I didn't see anything. Also don't take my word for the reasoning, I just only heard that from someone else.)
9:10 I think those bengalaas are placed there to prevent tank drops, which would give terrans unfair advantage. Also, they don't have hp because they are invincible
I imagine that the bangalass there could be parasited by a queen and boom! free base vison against drops without hanging an overlord there for corsairs to shoot down
I don't watch the games before I cast them, so no, I'm not picking Bisu wins. And I've posted many Bisu losses. :) Check out the Bisu playlist I have :)
The Overmind Cocoons are there for Zerg players' benefits to defend the ramp with Sunkens, for better matchup balances.
Of course, this also opens up the possibility for Sunken rushes, or Nydus Canals in one of the unoccupied spawning locations.
The natural on Ringing Bloom is placed towards the back as opposed to many other 4P maps, so matches here are more interesting especially during ASL10.
What? How? There's no creep from the cocoon.
Falcon Paladin they’re there for moral support
@@FalconPaladin [ENG] AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S10 Ro.24 - can build into it'(overmind). I don't remember exactly in which group(and match) zerg used it for sunken rush& push but when I rewatch all matches again I will memorize it and will send you the link. Cocoons also benefits P and T making base entrance wallable.
@@FalconPaladin There is creep directly under the cacoons. you cant see it, but if you send a drone and try to build under it, it will work
@@FalconPaladin Here's a good example in ASL10, Ro. 24 Day 2, sSak vs SoulKey (timestamp 1 hour mark)
th-cam.com/video/m6U4mpWiPR0/w-d-xo.html
SoulKey uses the creep on the Overmind Cocoons to build two Sunkens to repel the push by sSak on SoulKey's 4th base.
Love how the dragoon just comes into the terran base and says "hey guys how's it going" 5:10
This map would be literally unplayable without the Bengalass touch.
Soooo happy there is still a great StarCraft Brood War caster!
Bisu had plan for his dark templars. Truly it was dark templars that made terran quit, not the carriers.
In my book this game deserves the epic tag.
General hindsight says Sorry should have won this game. He made some bad decisions at the end of the match. The DT-strat, as fun as may be, was a play with an already beaten enemy.
Nevertheless thank you FalPal as always and take care!
Beautiful high level game. Thanks Falcon.
The Myth, the Legend, the BISU!
Nice strategy. Really good embodiment of what strategy means.
That was amazing. I've never seen a win quite like that.
I hit the LIKE button because I am excited for this PvT.
BIISUUUUUUU... love watching this dude play!
That was a great game.
Dude, I was about to stop watching at the 22:00 mark. Glad I watched till the end...GG!!!
Never give up! Never surrender!
The first broodwar mission is actually a jungle tile set lol but I know what you mean I was blown away with the Shakuras tile set the first time I saw it too
The mines at around 6:28 were so close to taking down those probes
Like before watching 🙃
That was a great game. I did not like the dead space in the commentary in that mid-game, but you came out of it with some good energy and analysis.
yusss ringing bloom this map is cool
the sound which Terran trembles when they hear: " Carrier has arrived"
More like: “Not again, chasing those spaming fatasses is a pain in the rear”
Once a Protoss player gets mass carriers it’s really hard to stop them.
so even if Bisu's main base went at the end I guess Bisus would have won the same way , maybe at the end if he would have sieged the tanks and did some friendly fire, but still there were the corsairs .. some nice battle
What a polite dragoon
what a refreshing game meta out tha window
12:23 ''Bisu is attacking the pylon to synchronize the interceptor flight''-What??
This was awesome. Watched it since I got locked out of my own house, and was totally worth it 😂
Haha, glad I could entertain. You back inside yet?
Just about 10 minutes ago lol.
Suggest looking at the action like carriers wrecking
This needs an Epic tag
I dunno.
Looked like a practice game or something. Sorry basically had the game won but stopped attacking.
What a match!!
i love the overlords
i mean overmind 😂
gg. love the new map!
Respect from Russia!
Cool replay! New sub here
Welcome!
How can the Terran be so dumb and not defend his only science vessel?! He literally lost because of this!
In my opinion the terran should had rush with tanks and wraiths plus some ghost. Vultures are useless against mass army. Some EMP from science vessels he lost his bases requires alot of multitasking. The goliath alone are not able to accomplish things. Too many targets. Tanks will destroy protoss bases and the wraiths will distract the carriers. The ghost will lockdown and the science vessels will EMP. Ghost upgrades are expensive but he lost more, he lost his base. The wraiths will directly target the carrier no the other targets.
I'm sorry but just constructive criticism, I know you are very busy but it's apparent you don't watch ASL. Watching it would really expand your knowledge of the game as well as the new maps.
Super close
wa...ha ...tha... a..pa..va what how
bisu won!!!!!?!?!??!?!??!!!?!???!!?!
26:50 you claim to not know outcomes before casting and usually it seems like you don’t but that was pretty sus
*SPOILER ALERT*
Has there ever been a game where the Protoss makes carriers and loses? I knew Bisu was going to win the moment I saw the thumbnail.
Yes. :) Want a link?
@@FalconPaladin Yes please!
he didn't say gg :-0
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Wow. That game was actually super fun to watch. Good casting.
Wow, sniping all of Sorry’s detection by Bisu was boss. Those DTs held the bridge perfect. Crucial moment...
I'm a simple Protoss... I see carriers, I click! I Liked!
We need Sarah McLaughlin to raise awareness for the starving and abused bengalass. 😢
1:00 - this brood war tile set inspired me while i was remodeling my bathroom. it has mostly gray and light blue overtones with accents of textured dark blue just like this map.
We need a photo!
I see how Artosis hates Protoss. Carriers are so bloody dumb.
Every race have their advantages and disadvantages, sorry had all the potential to win. Don’t be a cry baby
Artosis is so pissed off coz he always gets destroyed by carriers hahaha
Omfg I laughed so hard when the dt was blocking the bridge hacking away 👍
At 27:00 you know Artosis would be raging about "The Invisible Men" who just kills everything.
This comment is so picturesque and so funny!
What a huge comeback from Bisu!
cool to see carrier in the mix strategy
The control by Bisu... A Protoss master. Beautiful show: pleasuring to watch.
very strategic playing by Bisu. Sorry was out-macroing him and taking down nexuses And Bisu just takes down all detection with his healthy carriers. Great game.
I think they Bengalas are at low health so the opponent can kill them if an enemy zerg has put parasite on one and I dont know if they changed it but in the original Star craft you could parasite passive creatures and it would work quite easily. Agian it could be that it was changed but that's what I remmber from OG star craft.
That was like some high end chess ♟ combination.
Sorry did not expect that kind of plot twist.
What a masterful comeback. 👍
This is best carrier over the map rampage i've seen in years. Just non-stop carrier attack everywhere!
That was all in from Bisu. Awesome cast like usual Falcon :*
God I hate carriers they're so newb
GG
SSabojiguyo is THE ROCK
Bisu going bored: mass dt after all cc, all science vessel and all starport destroyed. Wonderful.
Can't help but nitpick... the first mission in BW is on jungle tileset. The second is on this one.
True!
I really wanna know how they made this map. I really wanna know how to make the horizontal and vertical ramps. The tileset does not hold any default tiles that would allow for ramps like those to be made, atleast according to SCMDraft2
wow, Bisu did have a plan! But it was indeed strange that the Goliaphs didn't aim to the bodies of the Carriers
You need to manually target them, because they don't actually have an attack to attract attention
ah this game was pretty lame... Typical carrier cheapness.. and some key dumb decisions by terran
Sorry really could’ve won, he pushed Bisu so far but made some crucial mistakes that lead to the downfall. Also Carrier’s ability to spam skies with interceptors will never stop being annoying to me.
Of course, the Protoss wouldn't want to lose in their Shakuras homeworld.
Jokes aside, that was epic from Bisu. From the looks of it, Sorry had a mental breakdown when the Carriers moved in.
Sorry was way too indecisive. He could have easily won but instead allowed Bisus bases to continue mining which would have hurt the intercepters from being made by the Carriers.
I wonder if it would have been possible for Sorry to make a clump of cloaked wraiths and target the carriers when they engaged his ground army. Or would that have taken too much time/production?
Thought for today: Do not transfer probes through a Vulture harrass.
Sorry had some opportunities to wipe out Bisu a couple of times but he retreated to defend his bases, and those dark templates in the very end were huge (with no scans or science vessels available). This is the first time I see this kind of game, that's one of the things I love the most about Starcraft: you rarely see a game similar to another one.
Sorry could have won this game had he goes with valkyries and few science vessels bcoz the Goliath can’t chase carriers and carriers was the threat all along until the end when the detection is gone.
Gunna roll your big tank army in my house? Well muh Favorite Carriers gunna punch your lights out 😝
Didnt Sorry have a sweeper? if not oh well, Bisu Amazingly played
非常精彩的一场对战！
WTF Bisu destroyed his Pylon only to rebuild it again?! 14:10-22
No matter how bad wraiths are, they are the only means to defeat stacked up carriers.
wow please post a game where carriers lose so sick of seeing them win every time overpowered bullshit!
Great game! I know pros never make air against carriers. The balanced ground/air army that bisu used makes sorry stick with goliaths. But in the end game I can't help but think 4 or 5 wraiths might have made sense. Sniping observers with goliathd to use cloak like zerg snipes observers to use lurkers. Idk. Carriers are just so hard to play against. Seems like the majority of times when carriers lose its if they lose before there are 6 of them out on the map. Once they're out on the map, they almost always win by snipong bases. The exception is when the protoss player goes all carriers and neglects having some ground army for balance.
Fun and fascinating game. Thanks Falcon.
Two or three valkyries kill interceptors far faster than they can be rebuilt, way more effective than wraiths. The armor protects them pretty well against interceptor attacks as well. Yet ive rarely seen them in a pro match. I guess it is because of the upgrades.
That was fantastic 😍, the Templars said game over sorry
(Around 1:40 I think) I am not sure if this is the same map that was commented on. But Artosis in a recent video said that Creep Colonies (and even Nydus Canals) can be built on the same spot as the Overmind Cocoon (I am not entirely sure the details of that he made it sound like they didn't have to be destroyed first, but I am not sure).
[Edit] I think it is the same map he was talking about. It looks the same.
Apparently it is to keep the map balanced for the different races at Pro level gameplay.
(Apologies if this has been commented on already, at a quick glance, I didn't see anything. Also don't take my word for the reasoning, I just only heard that from someone else.)
Fair. :)
never seen a carrier dt combo like this before
Did Bisu just change the meta for PvT?
Protoss Carriers + show me the money = VICTORY
9:10
I think those bengalaas are placed there to prevent tank drops, which would give terrans unfair advantage. Also, they don't have hp because they are invincible
Hmm, good theory. Makes sense.
Very cool ending from Bisu 100% epic
GG! ;)
Lol, IMBA T-T. Does Bisu ever lose vs terrans 😂
Bisu made the correct decision, Terran made a couple bad ones, at the end there. Interesting and fun to watch. Gg thanks falc
No problem!
I imagine that the bangalass there could be parasited by a queen and boom! free base vison against drops without hanging an overlord there for corsairs to shoot down
If that's your concern as a mapmaker, don't put them there. :D
I love how bisu won with carriers and dts
Is this my first recent, FP video? Oh shit.
Why did he kill his own pylon with the carriers?
u purposely picking games that bisu wins or does he just not lose?
I don't watch the games before I cast them, so no, I'm not picking Bisu wins. And I've posted many Bisu losses. :) Check out the Bisu playlist I have :)
Терран сражался как лев, а проиграл как лох, а всего лишь не увел комсатку от батонов.
Awesome control from bisu, as always
That's right man 98 , yeah that it all happened