Ashis Ray | Partition of India Debate | Proposition (5/6)
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Thursday 1st March 2018.
The Motion: This House Regrets The Partition of India.
Ashis Ray closes the case for the proposition, as the fifth speaker of six in the debate.
Motion Carried.
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I think this debate was meant to be something else but turned out something else . The speakers were unable to put their arguments clearly . Moreover the people in the comment section are I don't know why making it INDIA VS PAKISTAN. Oxford Union , otherwise is great.
This clearly looked like a Congress sponsored debate with no representation from no -congress representatives
M Rawat what a joke. It is representation of peace.
Rahulbhai that I initially thought was the intention
SL DUA seriously. Let's discuss about it.
We can have a civilised healthy intellectual discussion. If we want to abuse and hekel each other then let’s close this here and now.
It is
Well , I am not a modi supporter but Mr. Speaker this was not a place to thrash n criticize him.
He can do whatever he wants. He ain't in some slum in ghandustan. Foh a indian even said PK has run circles around him LOOL
People like ashish Ray are paid Congress supporter ,and trying to put India Pakistan problem on shoulder of RSS, an now Modi.
Even in history there is not a single incident where Congress or Gandi asked RSS to help during partician time.
Even for Gandi, leadership of Nehru was more important than the life of common people of India.
Everyone talk about right of muslin in hindu majority but haven't seen any so called intellectual talk about right of hindu and Shiks in Muslim majority.
That's the main problem . People who affected most by this . Not even considered as victom in political power game .
Fully agree. He is also trying to impose the lie of Netaji's supposed death in the so-called air crash.
The creation of pakistan has not solved indias problems but made it worse.
If pakistan continues to fail. It will become Indias problem. Having Hafiz Saeed and military dictators in pakistan is still Indias problem. India itself will not be able to grow if there is an enemy next door.
And as Ashish, points out a nuclear war which will bring India/Pakistan to an end is still a likely possibility that could have been avoided had partition not become a reality.
Instead of worrying about PK, work towards making India the best it can be. For starters, Muslims are still getting killed over the mere accusation of eating beef let alone eating it, something the entire world does worry-free with burgers and bbq. The democratic state has yet to take a hard stance against these extremist Hindu lynchings to put an end to the illegal culture of attacking minorities. Until then, India doesn't have a platform to complain about others and has much work to do!
Go and read Hindu Mahasabha's great history you parochial Modi bhakt..Also know sensibly if you are reasonable by questioning as to why was gandhi killed by your favourate terrorist organisation : RSS at all exactly during the time when he was making attempts of reunification
@@ashutoshkumar1960 what you meant to say, concerted media propaganda stoking Islamophobia. The majority aren't falling for it like sheep.
Well use of the public platform. 😑 No contribution to the proposition.. Ran through his own agendas. Disgraceful..
Request the channel owner to identify BJP IT cell posts - it is easy - they support Modi, and remove them. No educated Indian supports Modi - whose hosted commander blames him for delaying Gujarat military rescue!
Pakistan was the ultimate conclusion of British colonialists' nefarious policy of "divide & rule" as well as post WW-2 dynamic of the "great game" and the ensuing cold war ,of course effectively aided by the self-obsessed communal politician in jinnah.
Bullshit. The British did not want partition.
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They DEFINITELY DID.
Both Gandhi as well as Nehru were imprisoned during WW2 and Jinnah was brought into the limelight out of nowhere, and artificially put on an pedestal equal to Gandhi.
It's that which ultimately led to partition.
@@parjanyashukla176 That is pure bullshit. The British tried to prevent the partition till the very end. They even locked up the Muslim League and the INC in Shimla to come to an understanding. The British wanted to leave a undivided India.
@@mudra5114
First of all, only Punjab and Bengal were partitioned and not all of the provinces. Peninsular Indian provinces like Bombay and Madras Presidencies, UP and Bihar that lie midway between Punjab and Bengal weren't partitioned. Assam wasn't either. And Sindh went in toto to Pakistan. So did NWFP (modern KPK of Pakistan)
Jinnah was actually a British agent planted into the Indian political arena, and in fact even the Muslim League itself was not a significant player, nor did it even have another leader after him.
Equating Jinnah and INC by putting them on the same footing is ridiculous to begin with, so even if they were asked in Shimla to "talk through their differences", it doesn't mean anything. Jinnah was not a popular leader at all, even amongst Muslims, when compared to Gandhi. Nor did he ever go to jail like Nehru and other Congress leaders. He wasn't interested in political integration of princely states either. He didn't write a single book or explain anything about his vision for the future of independent India like Nehru and Gandhi did - they clearly wanted a socialist India.
So what you're saying is completely nonsensical, and based on superficial interpretation of events that happened at the last moment.
Moreover, do not overlook the age factor. Nehru, Gandhi and Patel, all were fairly old by the end of the war and had no more energies left to keep on negotiating and discussing and debating endlessly. There were more important, glaring priorities at that time.
It was bcoz of. Pak + india + britain....... just blaming wont conclude.... we hav to accept mistakes by us all... nd live in peace nd love... Ofcourse Love doesnt Need Visa!!!
Shame on this man for taking his podium to such lows. Partition debate soiled!
"Pulwama was a pre-election gift from Jaish to the BJP." - RAW Ex-Chief AS Dulat. DISLIKES to the video are coming from the original invaders of India itself - those who came and enslaved darker races and built the Caste System. The original races had arrived before the Ice Age of 11000 BC. The human species is 150,000-200,000 years old. But civilised history is barely here!
Two Germany and Two Koreas have no difference in religion. Turkey cannot be united with Greece. Similarly, India cannot be reunited with Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Ashis Roy babu, the reason for Modi's rise is people like you whos's idea ruled India for 60 years or so . your idea brought India to this state of poverty , non development of India against her true capacity , lack of education . The congress cant give this basic things to people even after 70 years of independence ! ROTI, KAPRA MAKAN is still issue.
If Modi fulfills these 3 plus brings respect of Indians all over the world the way it used to have before British arrived , I dont mind if Modi stays another 20 years in power!! I know you are worried as well as Lutyens Delhi residents because you are the left over of British anyway! After all you take more pleasure to address the Problems of India in UK with British attire and fake Englishness! If Modi rises that privilege will be gone right?
Is seems Mr. Ashis Ray has his own agenda which does not help the proposition.
obvious ..why he will look for subcontinent interests..always try to bullly asian powers..but his ways fail
Another stupid hypocrite.
He seems to be a Bengali... During the partition, Jinna called for direct action day and millions his compatriots (mostly Bengali Hindus) were butchered by the Muslims, that's when most Bengali Hindus gave up the wish for a united Bengal/India. This guy conveniently skipped Noakhali Genocide Great Calcutta riot.
Had Hindu Mahasabha not been there - the entire Bengal would have been swallowed by jihadi Pakistan and there won't be any place for Bengali Hindus. Sounds too far fetched - just look at what happened to the Sindhi Hindus...
This 'debate' is a series of disconnected speeches on the topic of partition, with no clear disagreement between the two sides.
The soilders were not REBELS IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST MOVEMENTS IN NATIONAL MOVT and LED THE WAY TO FREEDOM.Nor was INDIAN FREEDOM MOVT WAS NOT BASED ON NON VIOLENCE AS HE SAID EARLIER ABOUT INA.
Did this guy just blame a person who wasn't even born during the partition for the partition or what?
It was about Partition or Modi .
whatever it is, India is the only country where many religions live together with peace and harmony
Lies
I saw this man speak such terrible things about India and had no respect for the choice of the people of India for having re elected PM Modi on BBC world this afternoon
He portrayed India in bad light.
I regret n condemn your speech n I find it absolute silly.
The regret in your comments is unfortunate I suppose in that it ignores the thousands of lives of soldiers and civilians victimized to terror in future on and on without an end..if this communal and political slur must continue...I imagine a reunited India with Pakistan getting its fair Parliamentary (in terms of LS and RS seats)share so that they are complacent and be our family....
How much ever you may try to rewrite history or change narratives. Facts and truth speaks by itself.
Two parties are the black pages in Indian history, Muslim league party and RSS. Only associated for polarizing a county were cultures, religions and languages have always intermingled and found space for thriving.
#ShametoBJP
India never wages a war with any country.. even if she is suffering from misdeeds of that same country , and that has been our misery..! We have to change this attitude
Still this man too much hate against india,those who living britain like libarts....
Why are Bakhts so worked up about the speaker talking about Modi? Grow up.
Really makes one wonder - what would happen if the sub-continent could unite. Can’t reverse partition, it would be more bloody than partition itself - but if neighbors worked as neighbors for regional stability - would we even have poverty in the subcontinent??
That would scare and threaten the west hence it will be prevented at any cost by the west.
Whatever an outcome of the debate, in hindside Partition of greater India, become a blessing in disguise for India, all the rubbish, religious fanatics, radicals washed away from India.
Kindly remember that Netji's i.n.a was the only army that fought to free
INDIA.YOU SHOULD EXPUNGE THE
WORD'REBEL' FRM THE PASSAGE.
In brief division was in accordance with the policy formulated by Churchill and Roosevelt - PM and President of UK and USA.......
Ashis Ray.
I didn't see any mini war with Pakistan before 2019 elections.
Infact, what he worked over the years gave back a fruit of next term in the office again.
Wowww.
Watch from 11:10 to 12:00... An year ago published by oxford union
#ShametoBJP
No talks about the topic of regret, but why it happened
Truthful
A man whose years have not made him wise. Absolutely disgraceful.
I expected some of the speakers to talk of how India was before colonists and how those places that have mixed Muslim,India etc population lived together and if they were peaceful and coexistence once?
Another Utopian dreamer & wishful thinker but I am glad that India partitioned it allowed atleast a slight chance for Indic religions & Indigenous population's survival of India.
cheap fear mongering and extremely silly reasons for his regret. Expect better from Oxford debates.
Pak did not had the printing press to mint there notes so RBI had to print it for pak with just a stamp of pak on it..
This is the first time I listened to Ashis Ray besides his cricket commentating. In one stroke the good impression has eroded. He chose the wrong platform to deride Narendra Modi and his government which was not called for.
Ashis was on the ball and more precise in his speech through 75% of his speech. Falls short when he starts to compare East and Weat Germany along with North and South Korea to Pakistan and India. It would be more comparable to Israel and Gaza or even Islam and West!
I regret watching this garbage which had nothing significant to say except how British created Pakistan on the western front of Undivided India to prevent Russian (communist ) access to the Middle East. The reader left out conveniently the point of how British did not want Communist influence in India . Pakistan is just a sham after all. Nobody ever mentioned about the Undivided India and its potential to become South Asian power and even Powerful country in Asia. Only regret about how a Indian Hindu and Pakistani Muslim did not open for cricket team. Truly not worth even remembering this .
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May I recommend a book
Heartbreak Passage
by Lambert Mascarenhas at age 100
now 106
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He is the oldest Freedom Fighter of Portuguese Goa
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Excellent mr Ray
9:42 the purpose of independence
Bangladesh
Brilliant speech. Absolutely accurate and necessary. Partition encouraged the rise of religious tribalism and militancy (RSS, VHP and Lashkar and Hizbul).
Very nicely put and what a journey through history of partition of subcontinent
Well lets politics be aside but never in the history of india that an serving Indian PM has challenged pakistan to have war on poverty.. even at that time when he was having state election rally & aftermath of uri attack when our good old neighbours were scrambling their f16s.. -_- he may entitled to his own views but let us also put the facts (you can google these things too. )
Now is time for ENGLAND god may save them from brexit.
Nice dr ashis ray
Divide and rules policy by Britisher..
Great speech ashis sir ,
Who is this blasted Ashish Ray? Stop weaving false narratives.
surrender modi unable to provide things to common man like congress
Silly speech. Ending was even more silly when he brought up sports in Such a serious topic.
U sir beauty
Didn't they know two nation theory put forth by mohammad ali jinna.all indians know the fact about 1946 election results.ulta chor kotwal ko daate.
Sabriyah Saeed you spoke about British Raj separation not independence India,Let me tell you Bengal was the First Political place where hibernated political thoughts & ideology But Later the politics was took over by Three Gujrati Jinnah,Gandhi & Patel,Later Nehru joined with them after losing Mughal Empire,except Aurangzeb who was cruel to Sheik not only that he was very bad with his sister,who murder her boyfriend who was a poet,Losing Mughal Empire Muslims was Backward,they didn't accept British Raj easily because of hypocrisy,cheater,looters,bandits,and so on.Hindu & sheik people took the chance to Learn Unglish or English.Most of the Hindus wanted to get out from Muslim ruler,they portrayed Sivaji as their ruler,now BJP Government put him as Hero of Hindustan,Barat or you want to call it as India ? Later Muslims accepted English & British ruled dividing role among the Hindus & Muslims.Now are born in UK you speak in English,if you are born in India I don't know which place your forefather migrated ? You should speak in those Language.Now Language & Culture of every ethnic people has a glorious history,Unfortunately due to Both Fundamentalist Brahmin & Maulana always wanted to create problems.All those riots occurred during British Raj & after separation is due to fanatic & Fundamentalism of Hindu & Brahmin.It is a shame both Pakistan & India,they MUST LEAVE KASHMIR immediately.and Free this state as independent sovereign country.Otherwise Both countries in near future will Loose many parts of their territory and will join with to make a Greater independent country in near future.It will occur within 10-15 years.I don't want to mention which will be seperated Like Berlin wall will Fall soon.Language & Culture is the First then comes religion.When Nabi Karim SWS went to Medina to Mecca he made an agreement with both Muslims & non Muslims,putting his hand on his chest on the right side he was telling" oh ! My Beloved Motherland I am returning my home,while he entered Mecca he uttered the word"Peace be with you"he never utter the word "You become Muslims"even during Mughal period their was a tolerance among Hindus & Muslims.Many Generals were Rajput & hindus,even Muslim Emperor married Hindu women.They put them as Queen,there are many instances and examples are there.So your conversation and Logic with time & years to come has nothing to do what will happen in near future ? Will India Pakistan or Bangladesh will change it's Geopolitical Map in the Global history ? But they will not merge with one state But there will be another states within this subcontinen
sweet dreams...when are u now put up...?
Thanks jinnah for getting rid of child rapist mass murderer Muhammad followers and Arabic jihadi culture.
are you a madarssai? or fiction writer
U should have said... Boys played well...
debate for its own sake ....wondering who was worse..khurshid or this fellow....?
This guy knows nothing
This guy is crazy. Has no understanding of Modi Govt.
good'''''it seem to be a positive talk
God Ganesha, where is HE? Is HE watching?Where?
haywire
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A Congress Sponsored Speaker
RSS /Hindu mahasabha where so strong how many seats did they won in the elections?
Who called the direct action day?
Read and come back when u speak, don't take every podium to promote ur Jihadi aganda.
Where is the Pakistani representation in this bullshit debate. This debate should be titled "Hindu debate".
because Muslims leader of your country Pakistan doesn't have such kind of intellectuality
What a pathetic colonized Hindu mind no wonder every part of your history you people were kissing someone else's ass.
have u ever read Indian history?
the first speaker is a pakistani
It's not about india or Pakistan. Stop making this a political talk.
It's about the pro's and con's of partition.
All are roundabout buggers! This is leftover panel
Typical congress papu supporters this was not the time or place to criticize Modi.
Ashis Ray is a biased person people shouldn't take him seriously..