I’m completely shocked that as a rail enthusiast you decided to get off at BWI instead of Baltimore, one of, if not THE birthplace of American rail. It would have provided you an opportunity to see the station before the renovation and new construction starts.
Outstanding view of the HHP8! MARC uses their diesel engines for this route since Antrak charges a high price to use their catenary wires. Also, the entire right of way between Baltinore and New Carrollton is three tracks wide when it used to be four. This section *needs* a fourth track to restore the balance on America's busiest rail corridor.
@@class8866 Really interesting note. Mussolini was the Prime Minister of Italy from 1922 until the end of World War II. Should everything that was built in that period be demolished or since it was built then, by definition, it is not beautiful? Or is it just necessary to emphasize that the station was built in the time of Mussolini, which, in your opinion, might diminish the aesthetic approach or something similar?
@@class8866 This affirmation is certainly more understandable. However, I still don't understand what it means that the station was built in Mussolini's time and what is the special style of that time related to Mussolini, as if Mussolini was one of the characteristics or features of an architectural or other artistic direction from the 1930s. 20th century. I belong to those who experience fascism in Italy in general and experience fascism as an ideology with great indignation, so it was impossible to omit my answer to your first comment. It would be too long to analyze the styles present in the station project, but how much Mussolini's time and / or any particular style there was I will try to present with a short story. Milan Central Station was inaugurated in 1931 on a project by the architect Ulisse Stacchini to replace the previous central station of 1864 which stood in the current Piazza della Repubblica and which had become insufficient to absorb the increase in railway traffic. The Ministry of Public Works appointed in 1898 a government reform commission with the mandate to study the measures necessary for the definitive arrangement of the Milan railway service to meet the traffic requirements that could be assumed in the following twenty years. On April 29, 1906, on the occasion of the inauguration of the Simplon International Exposition, the first stone of the new station was solemnly laid about 600 meters north of the old one, in the area of the former Trotter, that is the primordial sports field used for AC Milan's home games. At the same time, the first architectural competition was launched, which remained unsuccessful. In 1912 a new competition was launched, which was however based on a new functional scheme inspired by the stations of Leipzig and Stuttgart. The competition was won by the architect Ulisse Stacchini, but the preliminary works were soon interrupted due to the outbreak of the First World War and were resumed only after the end of the war or in the year 1925. The architect Stacchini would have reworked his project several times, up to the final version of 1925.
Thank you so much for having recorded a video on the HHP-8 locomotive! I first got to know about it when I was gifted a copy of Microsoft Train Simulator by my dad, as a child. It's really sad to see that these locomotives have been plagued with reliability and maintenance cost-related problems, otherwise these are unique-looking engines that could pass off as being the Acela Express' siblings.
I just love how the HHP-8 sounds. It's pure GTO thyristors magic. Powerful as heck! Sad that Amtrak phased out all of them... and the saddest thing of all, diesel engines under fully covered catenary trip.
Lol. You'll hate Denmark then. Or at least you will until like 2026 when the mainlines to the 2nd and 4th largest cities here will hopefully be electrified
The diesels running under the catenary has more to do with keeping that trainset available to run over ALL of the lines and not just the electrified one.
Milano Centrale. I've lived in MD side of DC 'burbs for almost 30 years. Never taken MARC. METRO is easier for commute into DC from Montgomery County and MARC didn't offer weekend services until a few years ago. Here's hoping they follow through with that DMV regional rail plan for increased services and more direct connections.
Thanks for a great review ! I'm fortunate to have travelled many times behind the HHP-8s in Amtrak service, and also those of MARC. I never had a breakdown either ! I understand that the MARC electric locos, both their AEM-7s and HHP-8s are maintained by Amtrak. It was because the maintenance became so expensive that MARC ordered the Siemens Charger diesels, and these too run under the wires on the Penn line to Baltimore and Perryville. VRE are really great too, with diesel locos from MPI and Gallery type cars as in Chicago !
Great vid, I heavily suggest you do the Brunswick line to Martinsburg WV, past point of rocks Maryland the scenery really is awesome, just like what you see on amtrak long distance.
@Gundamator I've Actually Ridden The MARC Brunswick Line All The Way From Martinsburg, WV To D.C. And Back, It Was Beautiful. Also The Crew Was Friendly That Day.
Hopefully next time you can get up to Baltimore Penn Station! Not as big or grand as Union Station, but it's about to undergo a several year renovation and expansion. MARC uses primarily Chargers and MP36PH-3C because their other two lines aren't electrified, but it's a waste they don't use electric locomotives or EMUs on the Penn line between DC->Baltimore->Perryville, MD. Every once in a while they'll use an Amtrak ACS-64.
The PRR used to use MP54s when they ran this service. Amtrak also ran a Philly-Washington trip using Arrows leased from NJ Transit in the 1980s. The equipment they use now is less efficient.
There was a time that MARC used electric locomotives on the “Penn Line”. They had a fleet of AEM7s, and at least one or two oh the HPP-8s. Might have been an issue about simplifying maintenance?
@@dougalexander5871 And when was the last time you took MARC's Penn Line? The Penn Line is the ONLY line that MARC uses that is electrified (because it overlays the NEC). Their other two lines (Camden and Brunswick) have no caternaries - and thus use diesel locomotive power. (Further, AMTRAK - not MARC itself - actually operates (and mostly owns) the locomotives themselves - in addition, AMTRAK/MARC loaned locomotives and passenger cars to SEPTA due to the latter commuter rail service having to take ALL their Silverliners offline for wheel replacement. (There is video here on TH-cam covering this on SEPTA's Media/Elwyn line.) MARC does lease (via AMTRAK) ACS Chargers; some of these were loaned to SEPTA; they are now back in Penn Line service.
This was the first train I ever rode when I was 5. Still a great ride to this day! I wish MARC would use EMUs like the PRR used to. They should get dual mode trains if they ever extend service to Virginia.
The price is that way because it's the airport. It's only $1 more to go all the way into Baltimore. I rode that train into work for 15 years. Certainly brings back memories.
It's actually a bit more secure than you'd think. Most cab cars over here are designed to work as regular cars, so they need the gangway at both ends, kinda like the Single-Level car he rode with the HHP-8. There's usually a notice when a Cab Car is actually serving its function, and from there the end vestibule is sealed off and only the High-Level doors on that side of the car are usable
I've ridden MARC for almost 15 years and never seen that. Either he picked the lock to open the vestibule door - probably a trivial lock to pick - or he bribed the conductor to open it. It would be something they would check for safety when coupling the consists.
@@rientie4266 well he got very lucky. I've never seen that door opened unless a conductor was sitting back there. For example you will see on my channel a video I took many years, from a MARC train, of odd movements during a huge signal outage. I have to shoot that through two doors!
Same coaches as the one used by NJ Transit. I love the single seats close to the stairs. Can't wait to see the versions that will run without the locomotives coming in like another year or two to NJ Transit.
Thank you for reviewing my local commuter rail system. You almost made it to my stop at Halethorpe. It was the location of the "Fair of the Iron Horse" which celebrated the first 100 years of the American railroad.
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I really love push pull trains in general. But standing behind (in front) the loco in push mode is so great. You can see the coupling stretching and contracting.
@@pasjonat-azbestu Right, I forgot about the government too, but still, the people are partly to blame because the car was supposed to be seen as a symbol of freedom, well now everyone's taking that freedom for granted due to increased carbon emissions from those cars and cars having more accidents than planes and trains combined, Idk what to say about the plane, but air travel is just not my thing.
@Simply Railway I used to commute from Baltimore Camden Yards to College Park and to DC for work. Glad to see the updates - the 8 doors is great! At least I know if I attend an Oriole game at Camden Yards, drink a boatload of beer and travel back to Laurel -- there is a BATHROOM!! (Needless to say, they didn't have one in the early 90's LOL)
Love your videos buddy.. Keep up the good work! American here and while I love your U.S. train rides, I especially love your overseas rides to experience a way of travel somewhere else I'll never get to experience. Much love brother!
I always wanted to hear the sound of an HHP-8's motors accelerating, without the fans drowning them out. Brilliant video! Now I wanna do this trip when I go to the states. Already wanna do a similar ride behind an NJT ALP-46!
If you get a chance, you should ride on the MARC Camden line which utilizes the CSX line to Baltimore Camden Station. The route travels over the Thomas Viaduct. It's a stone arch bridge built in 1835! (Note; MARC only runs trains on the Camden line during rush hour. You can also make it a loop by taking the Light rail (trolley) between Camden Station and Penn station
@@prop_thunder_therealone For the 10 millionth time, we know! 🙃 I doubt that will ever be a priority in the US. But contrary to popular belief, commuter rail in the US is pretty good. It does what it's supposed to do. And with the stop frequency, and 300kph top speed wouldn't really be practical.
The funny thing about this video though, is the Bombardier cars are not certified for more than 100mph, and in fact, at least as of spring 2020 when I stopped riding MARC regularly, it was very unusual for them to couple an HHP-8 onto them. They usually only build consists of all MARC III cars - the Kawasakis - for the HHP-8s. The Kawasakis are the most comfortable commuter rail cars I've ridden in my travels which include places like London, Melbourne & Sydney, so it's a shame he didn't document them. Although TBH the seat padding is getting a bit worn recently and MARC ought to refurbish the interiors. They ride incredibly well on the rough track of the NEC - better than Amfleets OR Acela IMHO.
I recently discovered your site and enjoy it immensely! Only 2 minor technical glitches that I saw and you have fixed one of them already - the script disappearing when there is a white background on the lower portion of the screen. The other is the small ads that block the script - but only 2 or 3 of them on this video. Your devotion and extensive knowledge to promote trains both in the U.S. and throughout Europe is remarkable. Gives the U.S. something to strive for with improved tracks and faster speeds!
Awesome video of Marc’s HHP-8 and review of the HHP-8 I love them a lot I grew up alongside Amtrak's sucks that theirs were leased but I’m happy Marc is refurbishing them and taking beautiful and extensive care of them
A couple of comments. MARC numbers it's electric locomotives in the #4900-series in honor of the late Pennsylvania Railroad's classic GG1 electric locomotives, which were numbered from #4800 - 4939. The single-level Sumitomo cars were the first new cars MARC was able to buy, they had been using either equipment inherited from B&O/PRR/PC or leased from Canada's GO Transit. They used former B&O Budd RDC cars until 1992! Then they replaced them with EMD E-units from Chicago's METRA system for a few years. They've had quite a hodge-podge of equipment.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and appreciate your honest reviews of American rail service. Yes the trains in Europe are probably superior but given the fact that rail travel in America is probably a third choice after autos and air, trains can be a relaxing and efficient form of transportation, considering the vast distances between some American cities, once you leave the Northeast Corridor. Amtrak has just announced proposed expanded rail service in the American Southeast which will provide alternatives to air and auto travel for millions of people. Hopefully if this plan comes to fruition, you'll have many more routes to review! - Brian
I got an opportunity to ride on MARC in 2019 when our airplane was diverted to BWI! Was absolutely comfortable and on a plus got to see an Acela prior to my train.
Hey! MARC commuter here, and I can explain some of the things you saw: You took the Penn Line, which is along the Amtrak NEC rail line. Both the HHP-8 and the various diesels run here. The diesels run on the Brunswick and Camden lines. The equipment is swapped among all three in normal operations. You rode up on the MARC IV passenger car (latest) and came back on a MARC II (second gen). The latter were frequently loaned out to US East Coast states when they have trouble with passenger load, and sometimes borrowed by Amtrak for Thankgiving and Christmas "extra" service. Why? The MARC II series *fits* in the Hudson River tunnels. The HHP-8's were refubished to correct cooling issues that killed Amtrak's taste for it. The manufacturer, Bombardier's rail divison, just merged with the engine partner, Alstom. Bombardier/Alstrom also staffs and runs the MARC trains on the Camden and Brunswick lines (which are run on CSX track), as well as maintains the equipment... which means they got a chance to *FIX* the issues! (But now down again? Ugh.) You should try going from DC to Baltimore via the Camden Line (to Camden Yards), then take the Light Rail up to Baltimore Penn Station, and head back down on the Penn line.
As always excellent trip report! When I lived in NJ used to commute on those double-decker coaches - very comfortable and nice 👍Keep up great reporting! 👌✅
I thoroughly enjoyed this review. Also I am a huge fan of the HHP-8 loco, and fortunately travelled many times behind Amtrak examples between Baltimore and New York. Great shame they proved unreliable, but when in good order they had plenty of urge ! Let's hope the 6 MARC ones are soon back in service, but in the summer time, several Amtrak Siemens electrics could be seen on MARC trains between Baltimore and D.C !
Apparently, one of the HHP-8's HEP was damaged, and a traction motor was damaged on another unit, and it was found that they all had brake issues, so none of them have been out since fall 2020. I haven't heard anything about when or if they will come back. :(
Nice, I've Seen HHP-8's. I Even Rode An AMTRAK Train With One Up To Boston In 2011 Back When They Were Using Them. Oh And BTW The MBTA In Boston Currently Uses ALL Diesels And Yet The Providence-Stoughton Is Mostly Electrified.
The HHP when it accelerates sounds like the motors when vintage subway trains accelerate back in NYC in the 1960s on the 6th and 8th Ave lines, I am a New Yorker.
HHP-8 is derived from both SNCF BB36000 & BB26000 since those SNCF locomotives use the same traction and propulsion units as the HHP-8. The northern Terminus of the Penn line are Perryville and Baltimore Penn Station. Regarding the Bombardier Multilevel coaches they have been in used in the northeastern United States since 2006 when NJ Transit got MLV I later followed by MLV II and now MLV III. American trains use a Transtech Pantograph
very special return indeed, watching it sing along outdoors, wow...🍸 it was said to have become the strongest loco ever on the continent when commissioned into service
You mention the remodel of the waiting area. Unfortunately, it's been sitting in limbo for over a decade. Here's hoping with the infrastructure bills going through congress right now that it gets some money and can actually get started.
I've seen that classic photo. After moving to the DC area in the early '80s, I tried to visit the so-called Visitors Center, but it was in such bad condition, it was closed. It was a bad idea, executed poorly. Happily, the station was renovated back into an actual train station. Now, if everyone could get together on improving the boarding area...
When I saw the thumbnail, I thought that it looked like an Alstom loco. The U.S. fascination with bells on locos and trains amazes me. When the first EMD arrived in the UK, there was a bell stuck on the end. It was non-operational, thankfully.
Bells are annoying, rules dictate their use. Just like blowing the horn. In America, you _listen_ for the train, if you hear nothing then there is no train. Trains are loud and annoying as a way to draw attention. It's how it's always been over here.
Last month on the 30th i did a whole video on a MARC express train 536 from DC to Aberdeen and he had an HHP8 on it. 536 usually has an HHP8 since it’s express stopping at BWI Airport then Baltimore & continues towards Perryville. As of today the HHP8 are normally used on express trains and semi expresses. I still wish some would run during th day. They’re the only locos that give off speed higher then 110mph. Did a MARC local video too with an HHP8 both mu trains were flying
The only foreign long-distance train I've ever had is metro liner. When I got off at Union Station in Washington, D.C., I found out that the HHP-8 was in tow. I took a picture. It is said that there are many breakdowns, but I miss HHP-8.
The HHP-8s were acquired around the same time as the Acelas. At that time, Amtrak went on an Acela-themed rebranding that confused everyone and was quickly abandoned. Part of this rebranding was having the HHP-8s look like Acela power cars. Amtrak workers derided them by calling them "Bananas."
There are no more restaurants with local cred anymore in union station. It's pretty much all national chains these days. I remember that place too though.
@@Salmagundiii Im SHOCKED to hear this. What a good memories there when I was in Gallaudet (Im deaf and Gallaudet University was the world's liberal arts university for the deaf and also interpreter programs for hearing people who wanted to become an interpreter. BEST program for interpreters) and also living with a friend of mine. My last time there was in 1996 before I moved to Arizona. I was in DC once in 2003 to change buses from bailtimore to Cleveland on third shift time. If possible, I'd like to see a video of that union station with these changes. ;)
I used to operate these... they are pretty much the most basic version of hhp8/HST software wise. Excellent braking, even better acceleration than ACS 64 on dry days.
Amtrak needs brighter lighting on its platforms! Maybe send them pictures of Barcelona Sants. Washington Union Station, NYC Penn Station, Chicago Union Station- all dimly-lit. A small improvement, a big difference! Nice socks, btw. ;-)
Ah, another fact: the nickname of HHP-8 is "banana". This engine was built for Amtrak to be used on Northeast Regional services as "Acela Regional", but MARC also bought some units for Penn Line commuter service. HHP-8 replaced EMD AEM-7 units on MARC rolling stock roster. In Early 2000, Bombardier used the HHP-8 design to project the ill-fated turbine-powered Jet Train.
I call the Bombardier multilevels "ziggurat cars" because of their roof corners. There's a reason for that- they were designed to fit into the Hudson River tunnels.
I commuted to work on MARC from Bowie State station sometimes...It's good when it works, but when it doesn't, oh boy. I did like that it is faster than Metro getting into the city
Last time I rode a Marc train it was standing room only out of DC. That was an afternoon rush however. This eight AM run is going against the rush, thus the almost empty coach.
Hello am an Indian but I like your European train vlogs so much.. I like the engines and various vlogs you film in various journeys.. I would also recommend you to come to India and film videos the engines and train journeys in India are excellent a new and different experience from other countries! Hope you know India have many luxury trains like Maharaja express which is in top 10 in the world then the Deccan odyssey and many more!
I rode from Union Station for the first time this August and I can say confidently that those waiting halls in front of the station makes me feel like I'm back in 90s in China. Not the best feeling in the world to say the least.
yeah price is high for tickets since that is where it makes it money from one off rider ship. monthly passes are much more affordable. also you try the Maryland Light Rail from BWI up to Huntvalley! and the reason for the diesels is the catenary stops at BWI the MARC goes all the way up to Baltimore at the ballpark you should taken it to there. and you can get on the Lightrail at ballpark and take it almost all the way to PA where it stops in Huntvalley MD
Now, I am not 100% certain, but north of Baltimore on the Penn line, the track stops being electrified. That is why they tend to use diesel locomotives. Its been a few years since I've been up that way. But one thing I know for sure is that the Brunswick line isn't electrified, and nether is the Camden line and I assume they want their trains to travel on any line they can. But nice to see one of these vids in my old neighborhood.
The reason why trains in the usa are so comfortable are because of the fact that they do not have narrow loading gauges(4.6m*3.25m at the very least), and yes that probably worked the same for the ones in india and China(indian ones can get up to 3.66m in width and the Chinese ones generally get up to 3.4m in width which enables 2+3 or even 3+3 configurations in second class)
You:Steps into the part of the boarding wall by the staircase. Me: oh man I remember this (I didn’t actually take any train trips during my DC trip some 3 to 4 years ago but at least I got to see the station but not the platforms)
There’s a single coach with a cab in your consist in case of emergency, if the cab car at the other end has a failure the locomotive can run around to the other end with that cab car and then continue on its journey.
Feel free to look at NJ Transit trains sometime (yeah, I know, their multilevels are almost the same, although with fewer amenities - but a railroad to railroad comparison is still a good idea)
Marc is one of those train companies that buy literally any passenger locomotive and rolling stock they can find, such a variety
Sort of like Metra. Where did all those old F59PHI's go? Metra. Now they're buying SD70s converted to passenger locomotives.
@@trainzguy2472 we also have/had a single F59PH
@@literaldirt Metra has 6 F59PHs
It's funny when they randomly put a bilevel cab car on the end of an otherwise single level train
Hell, until the early 2000's they still operated an EMD F7
"Mom, can we get acela?"
"We have acela at home!"
Acela at home: HHP8
There's a lot of truth to that. The HHP8s were purchased to be part of Amtrak's Acela upgrade and rebranding.
@@CorySticha too bad they sucked
@@counterfit5 in the words of Jeremy clarkson, just because something is unreliable doesn't mean it cant be great
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The HHP-8 is an Acela power car with an extra cab and without its passenger cars
I’m completely shocked that as a rail enthusiast you decided to get off at BWI instead of Baltimore, one of, if not THE birthplace of American rail. It would have provided you an opportunity to see the station before the renovation and new construction starts.
Rest In Peace to those that lost their lives in the Taiwan train derailment yesterday.
damn taiwan has an amazing safety record that sucks :// they have good hst too.
It was caused by a truck that fell over the train so that sucks
Second major fatalities-involved accident in less than three years for the TRA.
@@somewhereintime6839 damn
Thank you.
I love how you show the train on the map at the beginning.
Outstanding view of the HHP8! MARC uses their diesel engines for this route since Antrak charges a high price to use their catenary wires. Also, the entire right of way between Baltinore and New Carrollton is three tracks wide when it used to be four. This section *needs* a fourth track to restore the balance on America's busiest rail corridor.
Yes, adding one more makes makes a perfect balance.
Fr, you actually didn't spell "Baltimore" right.
This cannot be forgotten, and it's about the station: Milano Centrale 😁
Built under Mussolini, this way of architecture..
@@class8866 Really interesting note. Mussolini was the Prime Minister of Italy from 1922 until the end of World War II. Should everything that was built in that period be demolished or since it was built then, by definition, it is not beautiful? Or is it just necessary to emphasize that the station was built in the time of Mussolini, which, in your opinion, might diminish the aesthetic approach or something similar?
@@mtrdjn It should not be demolished, it is a special style to build during this time..
@@class8866 This affirmation is certainly more understandable.
However, I still don't understand what it means that the station was built in Mussolini's time and what is the special style of that time related to Mussolini, as if Mussolini was one of the characteristics or features of an architectural or other artistic direction from the 1930s. 20th century. I belong to those who experience fascism in Italy in general and experience fascism as an ideology with great indignation, so it was impossible to omit my answer to your first comment.
It would be too long to analyze the styles present in the station project, but how much Mussolini's time and / or any particular style there was I will try to present with a short story.
Milan Central Station was inaugurated in 1931 on a project by the architect Ulisse Stacchini to replace the previous central station of 1864 which stood in the current Piazza della Repubblica and which had become insufficient to absorb the increase in railway traffic.
The Ministry of Public Works appointed in 1898 a government reform commission with the mandate to study the measures necessary for the definitive arrangement of the Milan railway service to meet the traffic requirements that could be assumed in the following twenty years.
On April 29, 1906, on the occasion of the inauguration of the Simplon International Exposition, the first stone of the new station was solemnly laid about 600 meters north of the old one, in the area of the former Trotter, that is the primordial sports field used for AC Milan's home games. At the same time, the first architectural competition was launched, which remained unsuccessful. In 1912 a new competition was launched, which was however based on a new functional scheme inspired by the stations of Leipzig and Stuttgart. The competition was won by the architect Ulisse Stacchini, but the preliminary works were soon interrupted due to the outbreak of the First World War and were resumed only after the end of the war or in the year 1925.
The architect Stacchini would have reworked his project several times, up to the final version of 1925.
@@mtrdjn As I wrote before: there was a certain kind of architecture during the times of Mussulini as "Duce".
Thank you so much for having recorded a video on the HHP-8 locomotive! I first got to know about it when I was gifted a copy of Microsoft Train Simulator by my dad, as a child. It's really sad to see that these locomotives have been plagued with reliability and maintenance cost-related problems, otherwise these are unique-looking engines that could pass off as being the Acela Express' siblings.
I just love how the HHP-8 sounds. It's pure GTO thyristors magic. Powerful as heck!
Sad that Amtrak phased out all of them... and the saddest thing of all, diesel engines under fully covered catenary trip.
Lol. You'll hate Denmark then. Or at least you will until like 2026 when the mainlines to the 2nd and 4th largest cities here will hopefully be electrified
@@drdewott9154 Danemark got new SIEMENS VECTRON ELECTRICS....just in delivery !
@@class8866 Yes, but currently most are still sitting on sidings since most of the routes they're intended for still aren't electrified!
The diesels running under the catenary has more to do with keeping that trainset available to run over ALL of the lines and not just the electrified one.
@@michlo3393 There are dualmode engines already in the USA made by Bombardier Germany..(diesel electric and electric )!
Milano Centrale.
I've lived in MD side of DC 'burbs for almost 30 years. Never taken MARC. METRO is easier for commute into DC from Montgomery County and MARC didn't offer weekend services until a few years ago. Here's hoping they follow through with that DMV regional rail plan for increased services and more direct connections.
I've ridden the Metro Red line all the way in from Gaithersburg both times I have visited D.C., it is the best way to get around inside the beltway...
Simply Railway needs to do a review of the Metro and ride some of the trains!
@@timnewman1172 Definitely. METRO is such a low-stress way to commute, even with its reliability issues it still beats driving.
@@Love2Cruise even an out-of-town tourist can pretty much find your way to all the monuments, etc. and leave the car behind...
Took a MARC train into the city from Gaithersburg. It's *a lot* nicer than Metro. :o) But strictly commuter hours, and very limited on the weekend.
Thanks for a great review ! I'm fortunate to have travelled many times behind the HHP-8s in Amtrak service, and also those of MARC. I never had a breakdown either ! I understand that the MARC electric locos, both their AEM-7s and HHP-8s are maintained by Amtrak. It was because the maintenance became so expensive that MARC ordered the Siemens Charger diesels, and these too run under the wires on the Penn line to Baltimore and Perryville. VRE are really great too, with diesel locos from MPI and Gallery type cars as in Chicago !
Great vid, I heavily suggest you do the Brunswick line to Martinsburg WV, past point of rocks Maryland the scenery really is awesome, just like what you see on amtrak long distance.
@Gundamator I've Actually Ridden The MARC Brunswick Line All The Way From Martinsburg, WV To D.C. And Back, It Was Beautiful. Also The Crew Was Friendly That Day.
Imagine that! Milano Centrale inspired by a station in the US - Fascinating! 😯 Thanks for yet another quality video!
It's good that the HHP-8s in MARC are still in operation, with 6 remaining.
Hopefully next time you can get up to Baltimore Penn Station! Not as big or grand as Union Station, but it's about to undergo a several year renovation and expansion. MARC uses primarily Chargers and MP36PH-3C because their other two lines aren't electrified, but it's a waste they don't use electric locomotives or EMUs on the Penn line between DC->Baltimore->Perryville, MD. Every once in a while they'll use an Amtrak ACS-64.
The PRR used to use MP54s when they ran this service. Amtrak also ran a Philly-Washington trip using Arrows leased from NJ Transit in the 1980s. The equipment they use now is less efficient.
There was a time that MARC used electric locomotives on the “Penn Line”. They had a fleet of AEM7s, and at least one or two oh the HPP-8s. Might have been an issue about simplifying maintenance?
@@dougalexander5871 And when was the last time you took MARC's Penn Line? The Penn Line is the ONLY line that MARC uses that is electrified (because it overlays the NEC). Their other two lines (Camden and Brunswick) have no caternaries - and thus use diesel locomotive power. (Further, AMTRAK - not MARC itself - actually operates (and mostly owns) the locomotives themselves - in addition, AMTRAK/MARC loaned locomotives and passenger cars to SEPTA due to the latter commuter rail service having to take ALL their Silverliners offline for wheel replacement. (There is video here on TH-cam covering this on SEPTA's Media/Elwyn line.) MARC does lease (via AMTRAK) ACS Chargers; some of these were loaned to SEPTA; they are now back in Penn Line service.
This was the first train I ever rode when I was 5. Still a great ride to this day! I wish MARC would use EMUs like the PRR used to. They should get dual mode trains if they ever extend service to Virginia.
14:32 the single floored cab cars are the oldest cars in service and were delivered to marc between the late 80’s and early 90’s
The price is that way because it's the airport. It's only $1 more to go all the way into Baltimore. I rode that train into work for 15 years. Certainly brings back memories.
I am very surprised to see that open-back doorway at the end of the train where anyone could fall out. Usually trains are buttoned up pretty well.
It's actually a bit more secure than you'd think. Most cab cars over here are designed to work as regular cars, so they need the gangway at both ends, kinda like the Single-Level car he rode with the HHP-8. There's usually a notice when a Cab Car is actually serving its function, and from there the end vestibule is sealed off and only the High-Level doors on that side of the car are usable
@@russellgxy2905 Thanks for the reply. All I know about trains is how to buy a ticket... hahaha but true...
I've ridden MARC for almost 15 years and never seen that. Either he picked the lock to open the vestibule door - probably a trivial lock to pick - or he bribed the conductor to open it. It would be something they would check for safety when coupling the consists.
@@Salmagundiii It was already opened when he boarded the train, so I don't think so
@@rientie4266 well he got very lucky. I've never seen that door opened unless a conductor was sitting back there. For example you will see on my channel a video I took many years, from a MARC train, of odd movements during a huge signal outage. I have to shoot that through two doors!
Same coaches as the one used by NJ Transit. I love the single seats close to the stairs. Can't wait to see the versions that will run without the locomotives coming in like another year or two to NJ Transit.
Thank you for reviewing my local commuter rail system. You almost made it to my stop at Halethorpe. It was the location of the "Fair of the Iron Horse" which celebrated the first 100 years of the American railroad.
I really love push pull trains in general.
But standing behind (in front) the loco in push mode is so great. You can see the coupling stretching and contracting.
1:54 One day, the golden age of railroad will return in America hopefully!
As always great video :)
That is if the dumbass car and plane people are willing to ride trains again, they're the ones who killed it in the first place
@@shanewalters4171 US railroads were killed not by "the people" but corporations.
@@pasjonat-azbestu Right, I forgot about the government too, but still, the people are partly to blame because the car was supposed to be seen as a symbol of freedom, well now everyone's taking that freedom for granted due to increased carbon emissions from those cars and cars having more accidents than planes and trains combined, Idk what to say about the plane, but air travel is just not my thing.
Yes he finally rides MARC! Awesome video! Gotta love the HHP-8s
@Simply Railway I used to commute from Baltimore Camden Yards to College Park and to DC for work. Glad to see the updates - the 8 doors is great! At least I know if I attend an Oriole game at Camden Yards, drink a boatload of beer and travel back to Laurel -- there is a BATHROOM!! (Needless to say, they didn't have one in the early 90's LOL)
Love your videos buddy.. Keep up the good work! American here and while I love your U.S. train rides, I especially love your overseas rides to experience a way of travel somewhere else I'll never get to experience. Much love brother!
I always wanted to hear the sound of an HHP-8's motors accelerating, without the fans drowning them out. Brilliant video!
Now I wanna do this trip when I go to the states. Already wanna do a similar ride behind an NJT ALP-46!
I once lived in the DC area for six months, and your video brought back so many memories. Thanks for a superb video.
Good trip report the commuter train looks good but the best part obviously is the locomotive sounds 😍
I used to ride marc everyday on my way home from college. It was really crowded before the pandemic between dc and odenton.
If you get a chance, you should ride on the MARC Camden line which utilizes the CSX line to Baltimore Camden Station. The route travels over the Thomas Viaduct. It's a stone arch bridge built in 1835!
(Note; MARC only runs trains on the Camden line during rush hour. You can also make it a loop by taking the Light rail (trolley) between Camden Station and Penn station
HHP-8: I'm going to pass you
Acela: *Hold my speed bro*
At the time of HHP-8, MARC was the fastest commuter train of America, with top speed at 201 Km/h.
europe commuters be like: a bit over 300kmh lol
not high speed train but commuters!!!
@@prop_thunder_therealone For the 10 millionth time, we know! 🙃 I doubt that will ever be a priority in the US. But contrary to popular belief, commuter rail in the US is pretty good. It does what it's supposed to do. And with the stop frequency, and 300kph top speed wouldn't really be practical.
The funny thing about this video though, is the Bombardier cars are not certified for more than 100mph, and in fact, at least as of spring 2020 when I stopped riding MARC regularly, it was very unusual for them to couple an HHP-8 onto them. They usually only build consists of all MARC III cars - the Kawasakis - for the HHP-8s. The Kawasakis are the most comfortable commuter rail cars I've ridden in my travels which include places like London, Melbourne & Sydney, so it's a shame he didn't document them. Although TBH the seat padding is getting a bit worn recently and MARC ought to refurbish the interiors. They ride incredibly well on the rough track of the NEC - better than Amfleets OR Acela IMHO.
Nice video man! HHP8s for life!
9:14, wow I am a frequent NJT rider and railfan and i never noticed that. Good eye!
16:55 One of the most beautiful motor sounds on the planet
In my opinion a HHP-8 its One of the beautiful locos in the world. Congrats
HHP-8 looks very good! At last you are happy to ride the train hauled by him.
I recently discovered your site and enjoy it immensely! Only 2 minor technical glitches that I saw and you have fixed one of them already - the script disappearing when there is a white background on the lower portion of the screen. The other is the small ads that block the script - but only 2 or 3 of them on this video. Your devotion and extensive knowledge to promote trains both in the U.S. and throughout Europe is remarkable. Gives the U.S. something to strive for with improved tracks and faster speeds!
Awesome video of Marc’s HHP-8 and review of the HHP-8 I love them a lot I grew up alongside Amtrak's sucks that theirs were leased but I’m happy Marc is refurbishing them and taking beautiful and extensive care of them
A couple of comments. MARC numbers it's electric locomotives in the #4900-series in honor of the late Pennsylvania Railroad's classic GG1 electric locomotives, which were numbered from #4800 - 4939. The single-level Sumitomo cars were the first new cars MARC was able to buy, they had been using either equipment inherited from B&O/PRR/PC or leased from Canada's GO Transit. They used former B&O Budd RDC cars until 1992! Then they replaced them with EMD E-units from Chicago's METRA system for a few years. They've had quite a hodge-podge of equipment.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and appreciate your honest reviews of American rail service. Yes the trains in Europe are probably superior but given the fact that rail travel in America is probably a third choice after autos and air, trains can be a relaxing and efficient form of transportation, considering the vast distances between some American cities, once you leave the Northeast Corridor. Amtrak has just announced proposed expanded rail service in the American Southeast which will provide alternatives to air and auto travel for millions of people. Hopefully if this plan comes to fruition, you'll have many more routes to review! - Brian
I got an opportunity to ride on MARC in 2019 when our airplane was diverted to BWI! Was absolutely comfortable and on a plus got to see an Acela prior to my train.
Simply railway your are the best railroad reviewer
Living in Dundalk, I take MARC anytime I need to go to DC for any reason. Much easier and cheaper than driving.
Hey! MARC commuter here, and I can explain some of the things you saw:
You took the Penn Line, which is along the Amtrak NEC rail line. Both the HHP-8 and the various diesels run here. The diesels run on the Brunswick and Camden lines. The equipment is swapped among all three in normal operations.
You rode up on the MARC IV passenger car (latest) and came back on a MARC II (second gen). The latter were frequently loaned out to US East Coast states when they have trouble with passenger load, and sometimes borrowed by Amtrak for Thankgiving and Christmas "extra" service. Why? The MARC II series *fits* in the Hudson River tunnels.
The HHP-8's were refubished to correct cooling issues that killed Amtrak's taste for it. The manufacturer, Bombardier's rail divison, just merged with the engine partner, Alstom. Bombardier/Alstrom also staffs and runs the MARC trains on the Camden and Brunswick lines (which are run on CSX track), as well as maintains the equipment... which means they got a chance to *FIX* the issues!
(But now down again? Ugh.)
You should try going from DC to Baltimore via the Camden Line (to Camden Yards), then take the Light Rail up to Baltimore Penn Station, and head back down on the Penn line.
Nice! I’m on a Amtrak northeast Regional as I’m writing this comment
so you are on a train now? nice
@@lpt2606 well no not exactly I’m waiting for the train to get here 😂
@@NERJ607 hahaha nice, have a good ride when you are on it
@@lpt2606 Ty!
@@NERJ607 have fun the northeast regional is my favorite way to travel. I do not like i-95 traffic lol
As always excellent trip report! When I lived in NJ used to commute on those double-decker coaches - very comfortable and nice 👍Keep up great reporting! 👌✅
I thoroughly enjoyed this review. Also I am a huge fan of the HHP-8 loco, and fortunately travelled many times behind Amtrak examples between Baltimore and New York. Great shame they proved unreliable, but when in good order they had plenty of urge ! Let's hope the 6 MARC ones are soon back in service, but in the summer time, several Amtrak Siemens electrics could be seen on MARC trains between Baltimore and D.C !
Apparently, one of the HHP-8's HEP was damaged, and a traction motor was damaged on another unit, and it was found that they all had brake issues, so none of them have been out since fall 2020. I haven't heard anything about when or if they will come back. :(
They were refurbished and I thought that program went well but the engines were terribly unreliable before.
That was filmed back in October 2020.
Hi from Paris (France), love your videos. Thks
Merci! je suis français aussi :)
Trop bien ! Je comprends mieux pourquoi toutes ces références à des trains français.
Marc is populous about their locos I seen the mp36 at Brunswick!
I did almost this same commute every weekday for ten years. Much better than driving in the insane traffic, but I sure don't miss it.
MARC is all over the place with it's engine fleet. And we've had those single level cars since the 80's.
This is my local service! Great report.
Nice, I've Seen HHP-8's. I Even Rode An AMTRAK Train With One Up To Boston In 2011 Back When They Were Using Them. Oh And BTW The MBTA In Boston Currently Uses ALL Diesels And Yet The Providence-Stoughton Is Mostly Electrified.
Yeah MBTA should buy a locomotive like the ACS-64 for that line
The HHP when it accelerates sounds like the motors when vintage subway trains accelerate back in NYC in the 1960s
on the 6th and 8th Ave lines, I am a New Yorker.
HHP-8 is derived from both SNCF BB36000 & BB26000 since those SNCF locomotives use the same traction and propulsion units as the HHP-8. The northern Terminus of the Penn line are Perryville and Baltimore Penn Station. Regarding the Bombardier Multilevel coaches they have been in used in the northeastern United States since 2006 when NJ Transit got MLV I later followed by MLV II and now MLV III. American trains use a Transtech Pantograph
The Multi-Levels were introduced in 2006 on NJT and 2014 on MARC
I remember the first passenger run of those things on NJT. I kinda wish SEPTA would join in on the fun when sharing rolling stock.....
Metro north might also get them
very special return indeed, watching it sing along outdoors, wow...🍸 it was said to have become the strongest loco ever on the continent when commissioned into service
You mention the remodel of the waiting area. Unfortunately, it's been sitting in limbo for over a decade. Here's hoping with the infrastructure bills going through congress right now that it gets some money and can actually get started.
From what I've seen in Washington local media lately, it's going to remain in limbo a lot longer. Even if the money becomes available.
It looks better now. When the GG1 went through the floor it was a mess.
I've seen that classic photo.
After moving to the DC area in the early '80s, I tried to visit the so-called Visitors Center, but it was in such bad condition, it was closed. It was a bad idea, executed poorly.
Happily, the station was renovated back into an actual train station. Now, if everyone could get together on improving the boarding area...
When I saw the thumbnail, I thought that it looked like an Alstom loco. The U.S. fascination with bells on locos and trains amazes me. When the first EMD arrived in the UK, there was a bell stuck on the end. It was non-operational, thankfully.
Bells are annoying, rules dictate their use. Just like blowing the horn. In America, you _listen_ for the train, if you hear nothing then there is no train. Trains are loud and annoying as a way to draw attention. It's how it's always been over here.
BB36000 red, the most beautiful locomotive 😍
Last month on the 30th i did a whole video on a MARC express train 536 from DC to Aberdeen and he had an HHP8 on it. 536 usually has an HHP8 since it’s express stopping at BWI Airport then Baltimore & continues towards Perryville. As of today the HHP8 are normally used on express trains and semi expresses. I still wish some would run during th day. They’re the only locos that give off speed higher then 110mph. Did a MARC local video too with an HHP8 both mu trains were flying
Looking forward to your Virginia Railway Express review. Those coaches look like ex-Chicago gallery cars.
I was on it once in 1996 with my best friend from bwi to Washington dc. Not bad of a ride.
The only foreign long-distance train I've ever had is metro liner. When I got off at Union Station in Washington, D.C., I found out that the HHP-8 was in tow. I took a picture. It is said that there are many breakdowns, but I miss HHP-8.
17:07 4910 sounds so good!
Love your reviews 😊
Nice to see my home railroad.
The HHP-8s were acquired around the same time as the Acelas. At that time, Amtrak went on an Acela-themed rebranding that confused everyone and was quickly abandoned.
Part of this rebranding was having the HHP-8s look like Acela power cars. Amtrak workers derided them by calling them "Bananas."
@J Bear24 like the P30CH and the SDP40F.
I was there many times just to eat food. My favorite is Rice Bowl!!!! Last time - 1996. Miss it so much
There are no more restaurants with local cred anymore in union station. It's pretty much all national chains these days. I remember that place too though.
@@Salmagundiii Im SHOCKED to hear this. What a good memories there when I was in Gallaudet (Im deaf and Gallaudet University was the world's liberal arts university for the deaf and also interpreter programs for hearing people who wanted to become an interpreter. BEST program for interpreters) and also living with a friend of mine. My last time there was in 1996 before I moved to Arizona. I was in DC once in 2003 to change buses from bailtimore to Cleveland on third shift time. If possible, I'd like to see a video of that union station with these changes. ;)
I used to operate these... they are pretty much the most basic version of hhp8/HST software wise. Excellent braking, even better acceleration than ACS 64 on dry days.
Amtrak needs brighter lighting on its platforms! Maybe send them pictures of Barcelona Sants. Washington Union Station, NYC Penn Station, Chicago Union Station- all dimly-lit. A small improvement, a big difference! Nice socks, btw. ;-)
I like the Bombardier Multilevels.🥰 Among the better commuter cars in my neck of the woods 🥰
Nice video!
Ah, another fact: the nickname of HHP-8 is "banana". This engine was built for Amtrak to be used on Northeast Regional services as "Acela Regional", but MARC also bought some units for Penn Line commuter service. HHP-8 replaced EMD AEM-7 units on MARC rolling stock roster.
In Early 2000, Bombardier used the HHP-8 design to project the ill-fated turbine-powered Jet Train.
I call the Bombardier multilevels "ziggurat cars" because of their roof corners. There's a reason for that- they were designed to fit into the Hudson River tunnels.
Have you tried getting a tour of the Amtrak Engine maintenance shop in Wilmington, DE?
If you come to Canada, try out the GO Train in Toronto. Their fleet is all Bombardier Bi-Level coaches
Nice video Thibault!
I live by the Penn line and I see the HHP-8 frequently when it runs.
I commuted to work on MARC from Bowie State station sometimes...It's good when it works, but when it doesn't, oh boy. I did like that it is faster than Metro getting into the city
Last time I rode a Marc train it was standing room only out of DC. That was an afternoon rush however. This eight AM run is going against the rush, thus the almost empty coach.
Hello am an Indian but I like your European train vlogs so much.. I like the engines and various vlogs you film in various journeys.. I would also recommend you to come to India and film videos the engines and train journeys in India are excellent a new and different experience from other countries! Hope you know India have many luxury trains like Maharaja express which is in top 10 in the world then the Deccan odyssey and many more!
Great video !!
I hope NJ Transit has one of those HHP-8s as well for the Northeast Corridor Line at least 140 MPH, including Comet sets & Multilevel sets
I rode from Union Station for the first time this August and I can say confidently that those waiting halls in front of the station makes me feel like I'm back in 90s in China. Not the best feeling in the world to say the least.
16:53 Enjoy the sound of the Alstom Traction system.
I think it's an IGBT system if I'm correct?
Belle video! Vous troverez les mèmes voitures dans la flotte de EXO a Montréal, BTW...
yeah price is high for tickets since that is where it makes it money from one off rider ship. monthly passes are much more affordable. also you try the Maryland Light Rail from BWI up to Huntvalley! and the reason for the diesels is the catenary stops at BWI the MARC goes all the way up to Baltimore at the ballpark you should taken it to there. and you can get on the Lightrail at ballpark and take it almost all the way to PA where it stops in Huntvalley MD
Nice review. I believe diesel locos are preferred due to the majority of MARC's lines being non electrified.
Now, I am not 100% certain, but north of Baltimore on the Penn line, the track stops being electrified. That is why they tend to use diesel locomotives. Its been a few years since I've been up that way. But one thing I know for sure is that the Brunswick line isn't electrified, and nether is the Camden line and I assume they want their trains to travel on any line they can. But nice to see one of these vids in my old neighborhood.
The reason why trains in the usa are so comfortable are because of the fact that they do not have narrow loading gauges(4.6m*3.25m at the very least), and yes that probably worked the same for the ones in india and China(indian ones can get up to 3.66m in width and the Chinese ones generally get up to 3.4m in width which enables 2+3 or even 3+3 configurations in second class)
Hey, I have a suggestion could u like create a seperate series of videos of trainspotting. It will be cool.
You:Steps into the part of the boarding wall by the staircase.
Me: oh man I remember this
(I didn’t actually take any train trips during my DC trip some 3 to 4 years ago but at least I got to see the station but not the platforms)
There’s a single coach with a cab in your consist in case of emergency, if the cab car at the other end has a failure the locomotive can run around to the other end with that cab car and then continue on its journey.
I loved it you are the best
Feel free to look at NJ Transit trains sometime (yeah, I know, their multilevels are almost the same, although with fewer amenities - but a railroad to railroad comparison is still a good idea)
Your train was on platform B12 or platform C? Train in 8:40 is indicated on platform C.