Exactly this. No one cares about butt hurt America and A.I. ... all these rules only hurt the USA, not protect it. This is all data driven. In the future, I will be able to download LLM and generate my own songs. I already have a massive collection of LLMs. I just downloaded DeepSeek. It's only a matter of time before all of us can generate our own music and train those LLM off our own collections of music and sounds in the privacy of our home. You really think they are going to start putting people in jail for releasing original A.I. music? No. It's going to be funny as hell when some kid out there sings his own original songs, and then has A.I. turn it into a masterpiece using public domain sounds. DUH .... I already see a ton of lawsuits against everyone and anyone trying to control this.
Its still pretty niche because the idea of listening to computer generated music who is trying to 100% behave like real human music still disgusts the majority
For those that think AI music will forever "[be] pretty niche", "disgust the majority", "[be] a drug I won't take", or brush it off with little concern, have a chat with your favorite RAG-capable LLM chatbot - I use Perplexity Pro, with Claude 3.5 Sonnet active - start with this query "how many people are listening to AI-generated music on streaming platforms without being aware the music was AI-generated?", and look at the exponential growth of AI music, and discover that 82% of survey respondents can't distinguish between human- and AI-generated music. Then dive deeper to see that unless there's a trifurcation in labeling and searching for music - human-generated, AI+human-generated, AI-generated - AI-generated music will be crowding out human-generated music by the end of this year - it's exponential incursion, folks.
The thing is: Those "tedious people" are just tourists and casuals playing with a new toy because it's a new toy. Because they're not creative, they'll get bored of it eventually and move on to the next big internet time-waster. As much wailing and gnashing of teeth that has come from various creatives, we've never had to worry about the non-creative people taking jobs with AI. Why? Because they aren't creative. They can't compete at the level of someone who knows how to use the tools AND has an understanding of art and the creative process. And let's be real: If you're an artist who can't compete with a non-creative person who's simply pushing a button, then maybe you're not as good an artist as you think you are. Contrary to the video's headline, AI's not going anywhere (when have you ever known tech to go backward or genies to go back into their bottles?). Given a little time to stop being the new hotness, AI will settle into being a tool that creative people use in their process to help them do the things they do faster and, presuming they use it well, better. The biggest difference is that the field will open up a little more to allow for people who have vision and ideas but have never had the technical skills to pull off the things they envisioned. And, y'know, honestly, I'm all for that. Just because I've drawn and made music all my life, that doesn't mean I get to gatekeep creativity.
@@johnplaysgames3120 Do more research. Those "tedious people", the same that once sought out human-generated music, are increasingly "creating" and sharing on AI-generated music platforms. The number of users finding joy in what they feel is "creating" on these platforms is growing exponentially, currently standing only at 10% incursion to major streaming platforms, but estimated to be on par in numbers with human-generated content by the end of this year if some type of bifurcation or trifurcation in labeling and discovery isn't enforced - 100% human-generated, AI+human-generated, 100% AI-generated.
Honestly, I don't even care for stem separation, AI in music in general just removes character. Like imagine daft punk songs with stem separation, they'd suck. Noise reduction and background removal are great tho. and on the image side, image denoising, upscaling, content aware fill and background seperation are all good too, but like thats it.
@@Arcessitor Daft punk samples other artists, if they could stem out other artists work instead of working with the limitations of sampling, the work would sound so cold and would be missing all of the character that makes their work great.
I think very few people know what you can do with AI. On the whole, however, you have to keep the human share as high as possible. This means that text must always come from the artist himself. In the second step, it would be even better if the melody came from the artist himself. And in the third part the voice and the instruments. Now you can see Ai like a tool train. But ONLY exclusively Ai generated music cannot belong to anyone except possibly the owner of the Ai. I would like to give you an example of a song that was 80% optimized by me and 20% by an Ai. With the song “Louder” we have our own song, our own specification of the melody. But the second voice and the drums were added via Suno. You can hear the result of such a song, which is even more complex than a regular recording, on TH-cam in my shorts under the song "LOUDER" by Rikverse. In this case, my lawyer told me, technically it is copyright that my work can be protected by copyright and can be credited to me because the human share is high enough and the AI was only used as a tool in accordance with Suno's terms of use. So just listen to LOUDER by Rikverse on my channel. And then you can judge for yourself what you can and cannot do with AI. Another extreme: If I were to simply type a prompt and generate a song, the human contribution would be too low because both the melody and the lyrics do not come from the artist and therefore cannot be technically protected by copyright. I hope this helps many. Thank you. In any case, it is important not to simply copy music. But he composes and writes with love for music. Thanks
the only problem with the ai copyright ruling is that i dont think there is a way to really confirm wether or not something has been made with ai. some of the ai music stuff you hear right now could pass as human made, so i think there would have to be a way to show proof that you actually made something which could be too many hurdles for newcomers to go through
Okay, but if the music passes as human-made and the songs are good and people enjoy it, why does anybody care how it was made? It's not like you're in the studio with 99.9% of the musicians you listen to; you just have recording. And as long as AI musicians aren't "playing" "live" shows, who cares? Just because I've drawn, painted, and made music my whole life, I don't think I should be able to gatekeep creativity. If somebody who has vision and ideas but lacks the technical skill to pull off the things they envision can have a tool that lets them express themselves, why do we all need to be snobby about it? To your point, though, I saw that Deezer announced a tool they developed that can supposedly identify AI music. I'm a little skeptical about it because (1) models change quite often, and (2) if you do any amount of production, you're probably changing whatever it is their algo is identifying. That being said, I think it's gross that people are turning it into a witch hunt and trying to stop people from having fun making music, art, or whatever just because they don't like the tool they're using to do it and don't trust the invisible hand of the marketplace to filter out the slop-artists. It reminds me of back when people used to say that synthesizer music wasn't "real music" because electronics couldn't be played with soul. Cut to decades later and those luddites have fallen away and pretty much everyone who isn't an old accepts that it's about the artist, not the tool they use.
@@johnplaysgames3120 AI audio with vocals should be labelled by the uploader as users & platforms are cloning , mimicking misrepresenting headlining acts without credit. . Content id can not detect sample manipulation at present. I have doubts that Ai audio when it's deconstructed can be identified. I have plenty of examples & sources on my channel. . Generative audio is not new & was present in software over 35 years ago & also in Ableton Max4live & Reason. The developers are accountable for this current wave of polarisation & disruption. . Users have been conditioned to create.. upload & monetise songs & don't even know who is singing if they consented or are even alive. This is unprecedented. . The developers & platforms which exploit & disrupt are supposdly funded by musicians but never interact with any musicians on any professional boards for obvious reasons as they are trying to create their own ecosystem which is contaminated. . Ai songs are being created to bully stalk ,harrass & discredit to avoid moderation on some platforms. It's not a witch hunt to express that platforms & naive users should consider that acts who are mimicked or misrepresented may disagree with representation or content. . Some platforms are also being mimicked via API & charging fees for limited services. Some are also using API scripts to create infinite songs without human input to spam & game the platforms.
@@johnplaysgames3120 The concern is not with the listeners. Empathize for a moment - put yourself in the shoes of artists who have created music that took them months to years to create, hopeful of building at least a small career in recording and selling their music, their music having been used to train an AI on how to create music, and this AI-generated music now on the verge of crowding out human-generated music on music streaming and other distribution platforms. Like me, you don't care if you make a dime from your music, and you, like me, don't care if people copy and do whatever with it. And you, like me, are excited about AI and AI-generated music (though I'll stay clear of using it for any of my music projects). But you and me aren't all musicians out there.
@@M2000z Completely get that. Im sure there are lots of happy users. For the price & lack of modules/effects I assumed you were buying in to the future too. Like Pigments for example. All good, im not buthurt, just not gonna support that business model now I understand it.
Im very happy with the law, considering using only prompts is not enough. As a musician I find the best way to use Suno to get variations via "extend" to my own produced songs to get fresh ideas or see what I can do with my own 30second sample idea. This way I am sure that the music is mine and AI only rearranging what I produced.
Sono plays the same stuff over and over again. What it gives you- It has given the same to others. I use it but I am very aware that if I don't put in it something original there won't be anything original coming out. And if there is something cool you don't know if it's really not exact replica of someone's music. One day Suno gave me a melody that was a complete copy of existing music. It only added a section but it was not original at all.I knew it can't be just coincidence because the melody is long and complex. Same with Udio. Most generations are useless to me because don't stick to the style I upload and revert to the same Sunoish stuff. Sometimes it pretends to be Yngwie Malmsteen. Sometimes copies someone else. Bottom line is-you don't know it gave you anything new. And I am convinced it's just frankensteining already existing things. Be careful if you intend to claim any melody generated by AI. Most likely it's frankensteining pieces taken from different songs and sometimes entire melodies from existing songs. I think I was clear.
@@aspirativemusicproduction2135 if you put 1-4-5 chords ofcourse you get nothing original mate 😂 thats why I say when you upload music be sure its yours.
6:02 The whole argument of daw + controller vs "hardware" has been redundant since the early 2000's. What is a groovebox if not a digital audio workstation integrated with a controller? How is it not a Digital Audio Workstation when it is a literal workstation for digital audio? Why do people act like they do dawless jams when they have a myriad of digital devices doing all the same functions but typically with worse ad/da? Why am I talking to myself?
Preaching to the choir 😂, but you’re totally right. It’s a false dichotomy. I would say, do whatever you need to get inspired . If that means killing a screen and only turning knobs instead that’s fine. As long as we don’t into a dogma or two imaginery camps. The dawless camp and the pro daw camp.
From a music producer's perspective, I don’t view Suno as a threat. AI generated music is an inevitable progression of technology. Another completely free AI music generator was just released a few days ago, and many more will follow. While Suno’s approach to generating music may raise legal concerns, it operates similarly to AI image generation, learning from copyrighted works in ways that are difficult to regulate or prevent. Rather than resisting AI advancements or hoping for their downfall, music producers should embrace these tools as part of the creative process. Digital artists and other creatives have already faced similar disruptions, yet adaptation remains the key to staying relevant. The industry is changing, and we must evolve with it rather than against it.
zactly.. agreed,, i do wish it wasn't as "openly available" to non-music creators as it already is but that can't be helped with somethin' this "entertainment" worthy to the masses ,,
Free? For now, as soon as something is established they will charge and then raise prices. Also, be aware that they maybe have the rights on generated content.
You know, people give this dude a lot of flack but this is pretty down to earth. Gota say. Pretty cool bro. Liking your music news thing you got going here, keep it up.
my take on A.i. (which i've been using successfully for awhile now in my music production) if you're not editing, converting & or significantly modifying what a.i. outputs musically, i'd say you're doin' it wrong to begin with,, just my opinion - i've been a producer/songwriter since the late 80's, ,(yea i'm old) LOL from analog tape, to adats, mpc's to DAw land ,,granted this thing is movin' at a pace we can't even keep up with monthly much less on a rules & restrictions level,, but ,, i think all the right steps are being taken. I personally am a fan of the "aid" , speed & workflow enhancements a.i. provides and just like we can't go backwards from streaming to physical sales, musically.. i think this is here to stay so,, use the tools or don't,, but i think it's too important to dismiss
Ditto. I started making music on the first 128k Mac with an opcode midi interface using MOTU Performer 1.0 in the late 80s (followed by Digital Performer, Cubase, Reason, Logic and Ableton). I have also been a lifelong graphic designer (used photoshop since version 2) and video creator (used after effects since before Adobe bought it from Cosa). I feel like I have created more high quality work in the last year using Midjourney, Kling and Suno than in all the previous 40 years combined. I agree there is no going back, despite the fact that we are still in the "early days" of this new paradigm. Knowing these AI systems are going to improve by many orders of magnitude makes me jealous of my 5 year old son!
an AI generated image is owned by no one because the AI itself "created" the picture. A photographer who let a monkey take its own selfie with a camera contraption was denied the copyright because the court said the monkey took the picture. Suno can't own the audio "created" or "written by" a machine because it's the machine's copyright and copyrights only apply to things made by humans. So we'll have to wait and see.
Maybe with shady Suno, but not with Udio. People are distributing and selling Udio music, and Udio loves its community. IMHO SUNO stands for "Since Udio's Not Online"
I am pro AI, but what they set up is just fine. It means AI is a tool to creative people, nothing more. The people still pissing their pants about it should have taken away ANYTHING AI and close to it. No playing aids for styles and instruments, no chord automatics and so on. Do everything by hand.I‘ve been creating music since the early 90s, I DID everything by hand, and I very much appreciate how modern software including AI helps improve my workflow. Even Suno will only give you something good by accident if you don‘t know what you want, what it should sound like, the right arrangement and so on. I have musician friends who played with it and they spent a whole day‘s work hours to get ONE song the way they wanted it, without any additional work in other software, and even then you could hear by the singing voice that it‘s AI. So what are you afraid of? Being overrun by really bad AI music? If the majority of people want to listen to that, yes, then we all are doomed. Until then, lead with quality and do it because you live and love music.
I think agencies making the rules or effectively laws in this case, other than the legislature, is kinda typically American and is not always the best way to do things - as we've seen repeatedly with the ATF and it's arguebly draconian gun regulations. Also, effectively just blanket banning copyright on AI works I think is very short sighted and is not the best way to do things, more thought and condideration needs to go into this matter as it could hurt the marlet and development of AI and future investment. Luckily i am based in the UK were the goverment here had the forsight since the 80s to cover AI produced IP fully by copyright just like other creative works - although the UK Goverment has said they will be looking into this...
You need to keep the ipad music making scene. Not that I’m excited for Landr, but it would be fine for some that don’t use desktop. Not everyone should learn to master, if you just want basic tightening and you trust your ears Landr is probably fine as a starting point.
As a folk musician using suno i am glad that the music we make using just prompts will be public domain so we can keep learning and performing it. What do you think of shulmans responses on twitter to his damning comments on that podcast?
@zwicker5585 lots of ways: finding ways to play things and just making songs that I like listening to from poems by writers i like or my own and working on lyrics for things I play or perform separately. I made a first album of just ai stuff but now I'm working on things I can actually play myself. For an example that's more advanced I uploaded some midi stuff and made it into something more jazzy in suno if you search for the song "song seventeen" on there. I've also been turning short stories into folk prog concept albums and messing with its knowledge of more traditional music styles as well as getting it to just make strange noises and break with common structures.. Anyway for me folk music is made of bits of all the songs that came before and copyright is just a modern fix that seems to work but kind of imprisons music. I'd much rather if my music both ai and improvised acoustic was just freely available to everyone to play or listen to.
@@alejandrofernandez3478 so you dont open a daw and just take peoples stuff? You type shit and call yourself a musical artist? Lmao people like you are such losers 😂 copyright is just some bs to protect big business, but taking peoples art like that is not cool.
BEAM - seems like it's easier to just...use an amp sim for guitars as the effect on your signal, more options out of the box, more standardized interface and layout for the non-FFVII enjoyers, I dunno this seems like an expensive way to do it worse. I will say though, the convolution reverb, and delay modules may offer some options not available in a guitar sim, but the free amp sim I'm using replicates every important gain circuit I can think of, along with great cabinet/speaker emulation, mic choice and placement on the speakers, if you want organic sounding resonance and feedback, guitar sims have already done the work, why reinvent the wheel? LANDR - Just no. No, it's horrible. AI Authorship, huge W for me, thank God I can finally ridicule people calling themselves musicians and artists for being a prompt warrior with legal precedent backing me up!
Interesting how instructions are not considered expressive contributions. The Fine art world would probably disagree. Movie directors, who aren't hands on may disagree also. Aren't people more concerned with the training data?
I have an entirely different take on this AI Copyright update: Since all Ai Music is based on Human Input (ie Ai training) #1 gives corporations full authority to Copyright Everything. I hope I'm wrong.
IDK about Suno, but we Udio users own our music and the only ToS requirement is that we give some attribution to Udio. The music we can distro, sell, stream, whatever. Suno is a toy, Udio is for professionals.
I've made 1000 songs using suno, using my lyrics and my riffs (audio upload) and my voice (audio upload) and all of them are better than the current puke top 20. I win.
Looks like all the "A.I. is just a tool" bros are gonna have to ACTUALLY use it like a tool (and not a talent/skill replacement) in order to claim the music. Hmmmm....I'm cool with that. 😁👍
I do like my artifacts crunchy, no doubt! But...I don't like to like that heavy edge just freaking gorilla-glued all over every key strike. You know? Hopefully there's some separation, like turn one up, turn one down.
My channel is full AI music videos. Only I spend about 40hr a week on one music video a week. I'm okay with this. I see people plastering a bunch of songs with no effort all the time.
If it costs 750 and its sold out, its hand made. That is where you start. Low run production is expensive, scaling up makes it cheap. Shitting on it is silly, you just need to understand why its expensive. This has nothing to do with TE, its the other way around. TE are oldschool. They would have been cheap in the 80s or even 90s when electronic music was smaller. I’m happy Behringer exists, it changed the market. But innovation comes from the low run boutique gear. Thats just some dude in a garage (or renting a spot in a fablab).
This is such an odd video, it implies people only use the output from AI tools without modification...? This is like saying sampling is dead because copyright exists as a concept, yeah if you just loop the sample amd make it obvious
You think a majority of people are modifying suno music? The point is suno is dead for ai bros who prompt music and plan to upload it as their own music. If you sample ai music this is obviously not going to affect you.
@@Weaverbeats What if they say they edited it? How will you check their input? Will Spotify send a judge to make sure there was a human input? Or what if they actually make some minor adjustments? Let's say it takes them 15 minutes for a song. You can still make a few albums a day easily. The situation can only change if Suno doesn't turn a profit for years and goes down. No law can stop this anymore.
@@NihilQuest idk but maybe it puts a "signature" on the soundwave that's inaudible but computers can detect it, similar to that thing that adds inaudible noise but completely buttfucks an AI's interpretation of a song that was mentioned previously. it could also be every track made is put into copyright detection but not listenable, so if you upload it too then it gets flagged because it's 100% the same
while a bit more defined, it is still extremely vague! and people will use that to their advantage. imo all of the AI should be trained ethically if it wants to be copyrighted. aka the people who write a million beats/riffs to train an AI so they don't have to write anymore and it can generate new things from that. or those who willingly use their voice to train an AI model so they don't have to do voice over anymore. i'm all for the tech, but the ethics behind generative AI is awful and we need to fix it. also it kinda sucks still.
I can't totally bash A.I. Like any new tool, it has a use case somewhere. What is infuriating is thinking people with talent and or a hard core work ethic could be replaced by a text prompt. It's just laziness masquerading as the cool new tech wave of the future. What's the point of replacing the human experience here? The work and time it takes to accomplish something creative is literally part of the reward or journey. Maybe I can't fully articulate how I feel about this, but those are my initial thoughts.
Considering your standpoint on AI (and SUNO in this case, since you all coming for their head), have you tried/considered what it can do? Like, the actual possibilities? You can input your own music and have it extend, reinterpret and add vocals, for example. You can have it generate only the instrumental with or without vocals and add your own lyrics, you can have it extend, remix, etc your own creative work. It isn't JUST a generative shit spewing program. Now, if you ask me, training it on copyrighted material IS scammy and shitty, and the CEO is an ignorant person to have such an outlook on music creation and the ToS are indeed misleading and should be outright illegal considering what they trained it on, but the TOOL ITSELF, is more than just generative garbage as uneducated people say. You can make Demos, you can reimagine your lyrics in a style you're not used to make, or in a band when you are making music alone in your house... There's some creative possibilities aside generating shitty soul deprived music and the industry CAN get some value off of tools like this. You can make samples, for example, for your beats, etc, there's plenty of room to use this tool as an actual TOOL for human music creation, but people can't seem to look past the ethical and moral issue at large, as if 99.9% of them are making any money off of their music anyway. 👀 Now I would still be careful because the damned ToS can screw you up with the monetization part, but there's plenty of examples of people making music off of YT vids with AI and I don't see them getting taken down, if anything, there's more of them every day.
@@greenlenny3926 you know me, to infer that? Ignorance is cool when you dont know how it makes you look. I am a musician and have been for over 20 years. Im just not ignorant to the fact that tools are meant to be used and exploited to your particular use, even if the MF that made it is a PoS. (you dont seem to have an issue with Google and its Adsense/Personal info ethics, since you're here on their platform, and all the other scummy tech companies that you support every day, so there's that as well.) You can say whatever you want about me personally, you have a standpoint and a view on things and im not shitting on your personal views (im sure you're a morally righteous person, 100% lol), so don't try and shit on me for playing devils advocate for this issue just because you don't have any real argument to contradict my statement. It just makes you look ignorant. I know and I agree that the CEO is scummy, I said it myself. Im talking about the tool itself, sepparate from the persons behind it. I do not have the crayons to spell it out more clearly for you, sorry.
I use my phone for music production: I use it to phone the studio to let them know I'm ON MY WAY..:.to their studio!! Also, GROUNDBREAKING should be relegated to the same Dumpster that we tossed GAME CHANGING into. It's the SAME Garbage Can where Teenage Engineering and [modern day] ROLAND live. Any product remaining in stores, you ask? Doubtful...but you might look in Walmart, Isle 34, I think it was.
Actually it must be human driven. It means that the human is using the computer as an artistic tool, which is completely valid. The tools are superior to most musicians, that’s just another reason for musicians to improve themselves.
We should get rid of Suno because I got a corporate job one time and during training, one of the tasks we had to finish was listening to a FULL Suno R&B song with female cursive vocals and the most unbearable male rapper voice you've ever heard. The lyrics? About "Emotional Intelligence" like shut up fr. Yes, it was as bad and generic as one would imagine.
Thing with the bussiness model of BEAM is that they basically sell DLC. If you are a gamer you can see where its heading with plugins, DLC, Subscriptions, stores within plugins, ad`s within plugins.. etc. it`s gonna be the same as with games and i don`t like it.
Wait so they're placing blame for environmental emissions on the artists and not on the music streaming service providers or the users? Sounds like rage-bait ngl. No one would seriously wanna argue for point view unless their intention was to generate engagement by pissing off as many people as possible.
7:50 kinda disingenuous to whine about the price and not mention it's made in Japan apparently. That would be a big part of the cost, but going by experience would be a very high quality product in terms of manufacturing
@@maccagrabme get it to make something like a minimal modern classical piece with strings, piano etc. I literally wouldn't be able to tell it was AI. It's not perfect with all styles but it's getting scary good at some stuff
Great. None of that helps when bros alter your music with AI and then re-release it. It's something, but it's not that. I don't think anyone can stop these bots.
AI bros are in meeting with your president. ChatGPT dude was in meetings with Trump and Zuck last week 🤣😂 The guy who made Grok is the shadow president 🤦♂
What multi effects plug in is not a pain in the ass to get precision results? I thought Transit would be great, I thought infiltrator would be amazing, and Shaper Box Should do a better job by adding effects for fucking free as an update! I’m not paying 19 dollars to add reverb, because you get the same freaking effect by placing reverb before shaper box. I just love complaining, and I actually do love those plugins. But at least arturia offers free updates that KICK ASS! Unlike Ni Carbon dioxide can never ever be controlled no matter how hard they tell you.
The modulation is vaaaaastly different, so I’m gonna disagree bigtime. The routing in BEAM is night and day. They’re both very unique and very useable.
Your AI conclusion is way off. This is actually a positive for people creating music with AI as a tool. I like your channel 'cos you're honest and real, but your fear of AI is misplaced. There is certainly a lot of slop, but that isn't any different in the AI space than any other space.
It’s dishonesty to say BEAM costs $69 it’s closer too $150… It’s a shitty business model BEAM its self is not worth it for $70 you need Time for it to have any real use & that’s another $40 making Time $110 & it’s not worth that! I would pay $70 for the whole thing. What happens when beam 2 comes out? Will I have to spend $250 for it? It’s a game industry model.. I hate it.
The people using Suno are people who don't mind lying to themselves and stroking the imaginary ego it creates. Its going to be a real mess when the Ai bubble bursts and not enough therapists
How do you know what's inside every Suno user? There is thousand reasons people use Suno for. Some generate songs for fun and share that. Some use it as creative tool. Others may try to sell it as their own music. How do you know what ego is driving them? You don't. But if you think you do maybe your ego is inflated sinse you are already the all knowing. I've been living without AI all my life. I can write melodies all the time. But if there is a tool helping to put all this together...sheeeeet...I am using it.
@ I don't know what is inside any Suno user thank you very much, and hopefully never will. What I know is what everyone else knows only certain types use Suno and they are the type that buy paint-by-numbers kits for the most part and do not have what it takes but are willing to convince themselves of anything as long as it makes them happy. If you enjoy phony baloney music made by the blood sweat and tears of the people that service rips off and have a good ego stroke maybe Timbaland will join in if the beat floats his boat enough
Same as when someone presses PLAY on a drum machine which defines rap with a mean face talking about how cool they are for hanging out with the other special tryhard ammosexual gang members.
@henrievery-3eye But you said you don't know what's in the head of every Suno user and than proceed to describe the "only" kind of people using it. Well, like it or not this is expression of capitalism-reduse the cost and increase the profit. It's in every part of your life. Now you get to notice it because it's related to something you may care about. So, you'd rather use expensive sound library and waste three days no one is going to give you back to produce something when you can give Suno rough recording of what you want and than it spits back something that has articulation, swells, transitions...what not. But it's the ego telling you that spending three days to do something that with the help of Suno you will do in three hours is somehow better. There is no guarantee it's going to be better. That's just the beginning. Wait until everyone under the sun start using AI. Just wait until everyone tell themselves " why the f@
They just said you can't copyright mek sonk stuff. Anything that someone wrote lyrics for or edited afterwards can now be copyrighted. It's the opposite of "finished".
I'm a songwriter, my live vocals are okay, but my layers and harmonies are trash. I took a vocal production course I'm still trash. I don't know how to mix either and can't afford a professional mixing engineer. Suno helps me turn my demos ie unmixed wavs of songs into slightly better demos sometimes almost complete songs. The direction of the use copyright gives me a little more confidence.
We didnt win anything. AI exploitation of musicians is here to stay. Weaver if u continue with that clickbait imma just block this channel. Yeah one person might not be the be all and all, but I'm sure many people feel this way when you mislead them.
I love you Weaver, but the Monolit does not give off Teenage Engineering vibes, it gives off Monome vibes, which existed as early as 2005, way before TE put out anything.
I’m glad the copyright office clarified things but unfortunately AI generative music is nowhere near done
Exactly this. No one cares about butt hurt America and A.I. ... all these rules only hurt the USA, not protect it. This is all data driven. In the future, I will be able to download LLM and generate my own songs. I already have a massive collection of LLMs. I just downloaded DeepSeek. It's only a matter of time before all of us can generate our own music and train those LLM off our own collections of music and sounds in the privacy of our home. You really think they are going to start putting people in jail for releasing original A.I. music? No. It's going to be funny as hell when some kid out there sings his own original songs, and then has A.I. turn it into a masterpiece using public domain sounds. DUH .... I already see a ton of lawsuits against everyone and anyone trying to control this.
Its still pretty niche because the idea of listening to computer generated music who is trying to 100% behave like real human music still disgusts the majority
@@thelandzones denial is a drug i won’t take
@ depends on the perspective at the end but you got a point, as long as you have fun brother !
For those that think AI music will forever "[be] pretty niche", "disgust the majority", "[be] a drug I won't take", or brush it off with little concern, have a chat with your favorite RAG-capable LLM chatbot - I use Perplexity Pro, with Claude 3.5 Sonnet active - start with this query "how many people are listening to AI-generated music on streaming platforms without being aware the music was AI-generated?", and look at the exponential growth of AI music, and discover that 82% of survey respondents can't distinguish between human- and AI-generated music. Then dive deeper to see that unless there's a trifurcation in labeling and searching for music - human-generated, AI+human-generated, AI-generated - AI-generated music will be crowding out human-generated music by the end of this year - it's exponential incursion, folks.
AI should be used to allow creative people to avoid tedious work. Not to allow tedious people to avoid creative work.
The thing is: Those "tedious people" are just tourists and casuals playing with a new toy because it's a new toy. Because they're not creative, they'll get bored of it eventually and move on to the next big internet time-waster. As much wailing and gnashing of teeth that has come from various creatives, we've never had to worry about the non-creative people taking jobs with AI. Why? Because they aren't creative. They can't compete at the level of someone who knows how to use the tools AND has an understanding of art and the creative process. And let's be real: If you're an artist who can't compete with a non-creative person who's simply pushing a button, then maybe you're not as good an artist as you think you are.
Contrary to the video's headline, AI's not going anywhere (when have you ever known tech to go backward or genies to go back into their bottles?). Given a little time to stop being the new hotness, AI will settle into being a tool that creative people use in their process to help them do the things they do faster and, presuming they use it well, better. The biggest difference is that the field will open up a little more to allow for people who have vision and ideas but have never had the technical skills to pull off the things they envisioned. And, y'know, honestly, I'm all for that. Just because I've drawn and made music all my life, that doesn't mean I get to gatekeep creativity.
I agree weaver beats opinion on this is tedious.
@@johnplaysgames3120 Do more research. Those "tedious people", the same that once sought out human-generated music, are increasingly "creating" and sharing on AI-generated music platforms. The number of users finding joy in what they feel is "creating" on these platforms is growing exponentially, currently standing only at 10% incursion to major streaming platforms, but estimated to be on par in numbers with human-generated content by the end of this year if some type of bifurcation or trifurcation in labeling and discovery isn't enforced - 100% human-generated, AI+human-generated, 100% AI-generated.
Pros of AI:
Background Removal
Stem Separation
Cons:
Everything else
Too real lol. I like the Logic Pro session players but it’s not really a Prompt style Ai, but it can help spark some ideas that you then can edit
AND you can tell when its AI, regarding "everything else"
Honestly, I don't even care for stem separation, AI in music in general just removes character. Like imagine daft punk songs with stem separation, they'd suck. Noise reduction and background removal are great tho. and on the image side, image denoising, upscaling, content aware fill and background seperation are all good too, but like thats it.
@@Necatuss " Like imagine daft punk songs with stem separation, they'd suck." What does this sentence even mean
@@Arcessitor Daft punk samples other artists, if they could stem out other artists work instead of working with the limitations of sampling, the work would sound so cold and would be missing all of the character that makes their work great.
Since that Suno CEO opened his mouth I fully despise everything AI (at least music wise)
what did he say?
@ watch weavers or Larry ohs reaction on it. He basically said it’s not "fun" to make music yourself
AI is great for many tasks, replacing musical creativity is not one of them.
@Simsomsss yea i mean the target audience for AI art is ppl who are too lazy or greedy to learn to do it themselves
@ that doesn’t mean it’s not fun. I’m lazy af but still love to do it on my own and not let some robot take over
I think very few people know what you can do with AI. On the whole, however, you have to keep the human share as high as possible. This means that text must always come from the artist himself. In the second step, it would be even better if the melody came from the artist himself. And in the third part the voice and the instruments. Now you can see Ai like a tool train. But ONLY exclusively Ai generated music cannot belong to anyone except possibly the owner of the Ai. I would like to give you an example of a song that was 80% optimized by me and 20% by an Ai. With the song “Louder” we have our own song, our own specification of the melody. But the second voice and the drums were added via Suno. You can hear the result of such a song, which is even more complex than a regular recording, on TH-cam in my shorts under the song "LOUDER" by Rikverse.
In this case, my lawyer told me, technically it is copyright that my work can be protected by copyright and can be credited to me because the human share is high enough and the AI was only used as a tool in accordance with Suno's terms of use. So just listen to LOUDER by Rikverse on my channel. And then you can judge for yourself what you can and cannot do with AI.
Another extreme: If I were to simply type a prompt and generate a song, the human contribution would be too low because both the melody and the lyrics do not come from the artist and therefore cannot be technically protected by copyright. I hope this helps many. Thank you.
In any case, it is important not to simply copy music. But he composes and writes with love for music. Thanks
the only problem with the ai copyright ruling is that i dont think there is a way to really confirm wether or not something has been made with ai. some of the ai music stuff you hear right now could pass as human made, so i think there would have to be a way to show proof that you actually made something which could be too many hurdles for newcomers to go through
Okay, but if the music passes as human-made and the songs are good and people enjoy it, why does anybody care how it was made? It's not like you're in the studio with 99.9% of the musicians you listen to; you just have recording. And as long as AI musicians aren't "playing" "live" shows, who cares? Just because I've drawn, painted, and made music my whole life, I don't think I should be able to gatekeep creativity. If somebody who has vision and ideas but lacks the technical skill to pull off the things they envision can have a tool that lets them express themselves, why do we all need to be snobby about it?
To your point, though, I saw that Deezer announced a tool they developed that can supposedly identify AI music. I'm a little skeptical about it because (1) models change quite often, and (2) if you do any amount of production, you're probably changing whatever it is their algo is identifying. That being said, I think it's gross that people are turning it into a witch hunt and trying to stop people from having fun making music, art, or whatever just because they don't like the tool they're using to do it and don't trust the invisible hand of the marketplace to filter out the slop-artists. It reminds me of back when people used to say that synthesizer music wasn't "real music" because electronics couldn't be played with soul. Cut to decades later and those luddites have fallen away and pretty much everyone who isn't an old accepts that it's about the artist, not the tool they use.
@@johnplaysgames3120 AI audio with vocals should be labelled by the uploader as users & platforms are cloning , mimicking misrepresenting headlining acts without credit.
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Content id can not detect sample manipulation at present. I have doubts that Ai audio when it's deconstructed can be identified. I have plenty of examples & sources on my channel.
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Generative audio is not new & was present in software over 35 years ago & also in Ableton Max4live & Reason. The developers are accountable for this current wave of polarisation & disruption.
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Users have been conditioned to create.. upload & monetise songs & don't even know who is singing if they consented or are even alive. This is unprecedented.
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The developers & platforms which exploit & disrupt are supposdly funded by musicians but never interact with any musicians on any professional boards for obvious reasons as they are trying to create their own ecosystem which is contaminated.
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Ai songs are being created to bully stalk ,harrass & discredit to avoid moderation on some platforms. It's not a witch hunt to express that platforms & naive users should consider that acts who are mimicked or misrepresented may disagree with representation or content.
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Some platforms are also being mimicked via API & charging fees for limited services. Some are also using API scripts to create infinite songs without human input to spam & game the platforms.
@@johnplaysgames3120 The concern is not with the listeners. Empathize for a moment - put yourself in the shoes of artists who have created music that took them months to years to create, hopeful of building at least a small career in recording and selling their music, their music having been used to train an AI on how to create music, and this AI-generated music now on the verge of crowding out human-generated music on music streaming and other distribution platforms. Like me, you don't care if you make a dime from your music, and you, like me, don't care if people copy and do whatever with it. And you, like me, are excited about AI and AI-generated music (though I'll stay clear of using it for any of my music projects). But you and me aren't all musicians out there.
Im so glad I found out BEAM is gonna charge for every extra module before I purchased it. WIll steer clear now. Thank you Weaver.
Volt was only a $19 add-on for Beam owners, not bad at all, don’t need to buy it if don’t want it, and can still use the other owned Beam modules.
@@M2000z Completely get that. Im sure there are lots of happy users. For the price & lack of modules/effects I assumed you were buying in to the future too. Like Pigments for example. All good, im not buthurt, just not gonna support that business model now I understand it.
Im very happy with the law, considering using only prompts is not enough. As a musician I find the best way to use Suno to get variations via "extend" to my own produced songs to get fresh ideas or see what I can do with my own 30second sample idea. This way I am sure that the music is mine and AI only rearranging what I produced.
but when you upload your own song to Suno, does the ToS give them permission to yoink it for their own sinister purposes?
@@dflfdmost likely. I should feed it 1000s of it’s own generated songs under the prompt “unlistenable music”
🎯🎯
Sono plays the same stuff over and over again. What it gives you- It has given the same to others. I use it but I am very aware that if I don't put in it something original there won't be anything original coming out. And if there is something cool you don't know if it's really not exact replica of someone's music. One day Suno gave me a melody that was a complete copy of existing music. It only added a section but it was not original at all.I knew it can't be just coincidence because the melody is long and complex. Same with Udio. Most generations are useless to me because don't stick to the style I upload and revert to the same Sunoish stuff. Sometimes it pretends to be Yngwie Malmsteen. Sometimes copies someone else. Bottom line is-you don't know it gave you anything new. And I am convinced it's just frankensteining already existing things. Be careful if you intend to claim any melody generated by AI. Most likely it's frankensteining pieces taken from different songs and sometimes entire melodies from existing songs. I think I was clear.
@@aspirativemusicproduction2135 if you put 1-4-5 chords ofcourse you get nothing original mate 😂 thats why I say when you upload music be sure its yours.
AI Music is like a fancy Arrangement Keyboard. Good for inspiration. Thats it!
6:02 The whole argument of daw + controller vs "hardware" has been redundant since the early 2000's. What is a groovebox if not a digital audio workstation integrated with a controller? How is it not a Digital Audio Workstation when it is a literal workstation for digital audio? Why do people act like they do dawless jams when they have a myriad of digital devices doing all the same functions but typically with worse ad/da? Why am I talking to myself?
Preaching to the choir 😂, but you’re totally right. It’s a false dichotomy. I would say, do whatever you need to get inspired . If that means killing a screen and only turning knobs instead that’s fine. As long as we don’t into a dogma or two imaginery camps. The dawless camp and the pro daw camp.
Jon makes beats has a great video on this ❤🎉
Also glad, I write all my stuff myself and edit all output to such an extend that all my stuff will easily be covered by this. thats a win in my book
Volt is neat, but it’s no Trash 2, no Rift, no Fury.
Click bait or just stupid title
From a music producer's perspective, I don’t view Suno as a threat. AI generated music is an inevitable progression of technology. Another completely free AI music generator was just released a few days ago, and many more will follow. While Suno’s approach to generating music may raise legal concerns, it operates similarly to AI image generation, learning from copyrighted works in ways that are difficult to regulate or prevent. Rather than resisting AI advancements or hoping for their downfall, music producers should embrace these tools as part of the creative process. Digital artists and other creatives have already faced similar disruptions, yet adaptation remains the key to staying relevant. The industry is changing, and we must evolve with it rather than against it.
zactly.. agreed,, i do wish it wasn't as "openly available" to non-music creators as it already is but that can't be helped with somethin' this "entertainment" worthy to the masses ,,
Free? For now, as soon as something is established they will charge and then raise prices. Also, be aware that they maybe have the rights on generated content.
This is a good move on the part of the Copyright office.
4:35 I finish songs and start songs on my iPhone and iPad, but I don’t use lander. I just use logic pro AI mastery or BandLab mastery.
Sorry Weaver I have unsubscribe because you keep pushing your member videos to non members. It's very annoying. Goodbye!
don’t be mad at ai just get good
You know, people give this dude a lot of flack but this is pretty down to earth. Gota say. Pretty cool bro. Liking your music news thing you got going here, keep it up.
my take on A.i. (which i've been using successfully for awhile now in my music production) if you're not editing, converting & or significantly modifying what a.i. outputs musically, i'd say you're doin' it wrong to begin with,, just my opinion - i've been a producer/songwriter since the late 80's, ,(yea i'm old) LOL from analog tape, to adats, mpc's to DAw land ,,granted this thing is movin' at a pace we can't even keep up with monthly much less on a rules & restrictions level,, but ,, i think all the right steps are being taken. I personally am a fan of the "aid" , speed & workflow enhancements a.i. provides and just like we can't go backwards from streaming to physical sales, musically.. i think this is here to stay so,, use the tools or don't,, but i think it's too important to dismiss
Ditto. I started making music on the first 128k Mac with an opcode midi interface using MOTU Performer 1.0 in the late 80s (followed by Digital Performer, Cubase, Reason, Logic and Ableton). I have also been a lifelong graphic designer (used photoshop since version 2) and video creator (used after effects since before Adobe bought it from Cosa). I feel like I have created more high quality work in the last year using Midjourney, Kling and Suno than in all the previous 40 years combined. I agree there is no going back, despite the fact that we are still in the "early days" of this new paradigm. Knowing these AI systems are going to improve by many orders of magnitude makes me jealous of my 5 year old son!
Fack ya big. Time
Without you and those like you, wouldn't be nothing yet you aint crying, like James Brown, everybody ate off him, but he never said a word
spoiler: we didn't actually win.
I KNEW IT, once you PROVIDE a prompt the A.I developers OWN it.
Make your own music and those CSers don’t own a goddamn thing!
it depends. Suno can provide you the idea, Whenever you expand the idea and rerecord it, it became your idea and sure copyrightable.
an AI generated image is owned by no one because the AI itself "created" the picture. A photographer who let a monkey take its own selfie with a camera contraption was denied the copyright because the court said the monkey took the picture. Suno can't own the audio "created" or
"written by" a machine because it's the machine's copyright and copyrights only apply to things made by humans. So we'll have to wait and see.
@@noisewaveofficial not according to the law. If you just rerecord it no. Your have to completely change it. Why even use it. No thanks
Maybe with shady Suno, but not with Udio. People are distributing and selling Udio music, and Udio loves its community. IMHO SUNO stands for "Since Udio's Not Online"
I am pro AI, but what they set up is just fine. It means AI is a tool to creative people, nothing more. The people still pissing their pants about it should have taken away ANYTHING AI and close to it. No playing aids for styles and instruments, no chord automatics and so on. Do everything by hand.I‘ve been creating music since the early 90s, I DID everything by hand, and I very much appreciate how modern software including AI helps improve my workflow.
Even Suno will only give you something good by accident if you don‘t know what you want, what it should sound like, the right arrangement and so on. I have musician friends who played with it and they spent a whole day‘s work hours to get ONE song the way they wanted it, without any additional work in other software, and even then you could hear by the singing voice that it‘s AI. So what are you afraid of? Being overrun by really bad AI music? If the majority of people want to listen to that, yes, then we all are doomed. Until then, lead with quality and do it because you live and love music.
Thanks for the vid Weaver, I personally don't use AI but sometimes I use the generative features in Ableton.
I think agencies making the rules or effectively laws in this case, other than the legislature, is kinda typically American and is not always the best way to do things - as we've seen repeatedly with the ATF and it's arguebly draconian gun regulations. Also, effectively just blanket banning copyright on AI works I think is very short sighted and is not the best way to do things, more thought and condideration needs to go into this matter as it could hurt the marlet and development of AI and future investment. Luckily i am based in the UK were the goverment here had the forsight since the 80s to cover AI produced IP fully by copyright just like other creative works - although the UK Goverment has said they will be looking into this...
You need to keep the ipad music making scene. Not that I’m excited for Landr, but it would be fine for some that don’t use desktop. Not everyone should learn to master, if you just want basic tightening and you trust your ears Landr is probably fine as a starting point.
that Volt sounds a lot like Ableton's Roar (best plugin ever)...
How can you hate on Monolit? It’s so lit! It’s literally right there in the name.
Wild for a guy on an island to not care about the environment.
Wow, I just found out that by NOT listening to Taylor Swift, I did so much for the environment in the past years!!! Guess I'll keep on doing that 😅
Thanks for the (tiny) reverb on the word "news"! Let's try some Supermassive on it
So let's see...
* Monolit - 8 faders, 13 buttons, 128x64 monochrome display, , 1 TRS MIDI + USB MIDI + USB host, sends notes/CC + LFO + arpeggiator + records fader automation: $750
or
* Electra One -12 high res faders, 6 buttons, 7" 1024x600 touch screen, 2 pair MIDI DIN I/O + USB MIDI + USB host, sends all MIDI messages, incl sysex, Lua interpreter for custom tooling: $554ish
🤔🤔🤔
As a folk musician using suno i am glad that the music we make using just prompts will be public domain so we can keep learning and performing it. What do you think of shulmans responses on twitter to his damning comments on that podcast?
Curious to know how youre using ai?
@zwicker5585 lots of ways: finding ways to play things and just making songs that I like listening to from poems by writers i like or my own and working on lyrics for things I play or perform separately. I made a first album of just ai stuff but now I'm working on things I can actually play myself. For an example that's more advanced I uploaded some midi stuff and made it into something more jazzy in suno if you search for the song "song seventeen" on there. I've also been turning short stories into folk prog concept albums and messing with its knowledge of more traditional music styles as well as getting it to just make strange noises and break with common structures.. Anyway for me folk music is made of bits of all the songs that came before and copyright is just a modern fix that seems to work but kind of imprisons music. I'd much rather if my music both ai and improvised acoustic was just freely available to everyone to play or listen to.
@@alejandrofernandez3478 so you dont open a daw and just take peoples stuff? You type shit and call yourself a musical artist? Lmao people like you are such losers 😂 copyright is just some bs to protect big business, but taking peoples art like that is not cool.
Do yourself a favor. Switch to Udio.
@GamaheaMusic Why?
The Landr mobile app makes sense for iPad Pro people. But other than that I can’t really see who’d use it
BEAM - seems like it's easier to just...use an amp sim for guitars as the effect on your signal, more options out of the box, more standardized interface and layout for the non-FFVII enjoyers, I dunno this seems like an expensive way to do it worse. I will say though, the convolution reverb, and delay modules may offer some options not available in a guitar sim, but the free amp sim I'm using replicates every important gain circuit I can think of, along with great cabinet/speaker emulation, mic choice and placement on the speakers, if you want organic sounding resonance and feedback, guitar sims have already done the work, why reinvent the wheel?
LANDR - Just no. No, it's horrible.
AI Authorship, huge W for me, thank God I can finally ridicule people calling themselves musicians and artists for being a prompt warrior with legal precedent backing me up!
Interesting how instructions are not considered expressive contributions. The Fine art world would probably disagree. Movie directors, who aren't hands on may disagree also. Aren't people more concerned with the training data?
I have an entirely different take on this AI Copyright update: Since all Ai Music is based on Human Input (ie Ai training) #1 gives corporations full authority to Copyright Everything. I hope I'm wrong.
IDK about Suno, but we Udio users own our music and the only ToS requirement is that we give some attribution to Udio. The music we can distro, sell, stream, whatever.
Suno is a toy, Udio is for professionals.
Steve Lacy and D4vd made their music on a phone.
Yeah, man, i always master my tracks on my phone.......always.
Damn asymmetric distortion is finally about to be popular I think
I've made 1000 songs using suno, using my lyrics and my riffs (audio upload) and my voice (audio upload) and all of them are better than the current puke top 20. I win.
sure bro
One day, every DAW will have an expert AI. Even Reaper fanboys will be able to utilize 100% of the mind-blowing functionality rather than 5% 😀
Hot take, I hate the lunacy interface. I dont wanna level up my ass with random encounter bs monsters for hours on end, just so I can upgrade my nodes
Great WNN, Weave. But that wasn't the Infiltrator alternative I was hoping for.
Looks like all the "A.I. is just a tool" bros are gonna have to ACTUALLY use it like a tool (and not a talent/skill replacement) in order to claim the music. Hmmmm....I'm cool with that. 😁👍
How does streaming music harm the environment?
it cost looots of energy.
I do like my artifacts crunchy, no doubt! But...I don't like to like that heavy edge just freaking gorilla-glued all over every key strike. You know? Hopefully there's some separation, like turn one up, turn one down.
My channel is full AI music videos. Only I spend about 40hr a week on one music video a week. I'm okay with this. I see people plastering a bunch of songs with no effort all the time.
If it costs 750 and its sold out, its hand made. That is where you start. Low run production is expensive, scaling up makes it cheap. Shitting on it is silly, you just need to understand why its expensive.
This has nothing to do with TE, its the other way around. TE are oldschool. They would have been cheap in the 80s or even 90s when electronic music was smaller. I’m happy Behringer exists, it changed the market. But innovation comes from the low run boutique gear. Thats just some dude in a garage (or renting a spot in a fablab).
This is such an odd video, it implies people only use the output from AI tools without modification...? This is like saying sampling is dead because copyright exists as a concept, yeah if you just loop the sample amd make it obvious
You think a majority of people are modifying suno music? The point is suno is dead for ai bros who prompt music and plan to upload it as their own music. If you sample ai music this is obviously not going to affect you.
@@Weaverbeats What if they say they edited it? How will you check their input? Will Spotify send a judge to make sure there was a human input? Or what if they actually make some minor adjustments? Let's say it takes them 15 minutes for a song. You can still make a few albums a day easily. The situation can only change if Suno doesn't turn a profit for years and goes down. No law can stop this anymore.
@@NihilQuestthey are going to break tons of TOS now just by uploading their AI prompts, that's a good to start.
@ I'm sure these kind of people will loose their sleep after breaking TOS of Suno, lol.
@@NihilQuest idk but maybe it puts a "signature" on the soundwave that's inaudible but computers can detect it, similar to that thing that adds inaudible noise but completely buttfucks an AI's interpretation of a song that was mentioned previously. it could also be every track made is put into copyright detection but not listenable, so if you upload it too then it gets flagged because it's 100% the same
Time to flood all streaming services with AI generated music 🔥
while a bit more defined, it is still extremely vague! and people will use that to their advantage. imo all of the AI should be trained ethically if it wants to be copyrighted. aka the people who write a million beats/riffs to train an AI so they don't have to write anymore and it can generate new things from that. or those who willingly use their voice to train an AI model so they don't have to do voice over anymore. i'm all for the tech, but the ethics behind generative AI is awful and we need to fix it. also it kinda sucks still.
10:00 I rest my case right here
6:00 i hollared 😂
Great news. But honestly, I wouldn't settle for just this, I hope we push further, and the EU laws are even more stern.
"I wanted to get this video out as soon as po-" damn son you wanted it out so fast you didn't even finish your sentence ;P
I can't totally bash A.I. Like any new tool, it has a use case somewhere. What is infuriating is thinking people with talent and or a hard core work ethic could be replaced by a text prompt. It's just laziness masquerading as the cool new tech wave of the future. What's the point of replacing the human experience here? The work and time it takes to accomplish something creative is literally part of the reward or journey. Maybe I can't fully articulate how I feel about this, but those are my initial thoughts.
Re: phone releases some countries prob more important. The LANDR collab stuff is pretty cool but yeah. “Gamechanger” ummm 🙄
Considering your standpoint on AI (and SUNO in this case, since you all coming for their head), have you tried/considered what it can do? Like, the actual possibilities? You can input your own music and have it extend, reinterpret and add vocals, for example. You can have it generate only the instrumental with or without vocals and add your own lyrics, you can have it extend, remix, etc your own creative work. It isn't JUST a generative shit spewing program.
Now, if you ask me, training it on copyrighted material IS scammy and shitty, and the CEO is an ignorant person to have such an outlook on music creation and the ToS are indeed misleading and should be outright illegal considering what they trained it on, but the TOOL ITSELF, is more than just generative garbage as uneducated people say.
You can make Demos, you can reimagine your lyrics in a style you're not used to make, or in a band when you are making music alone in your house... There's some creative possibilities aside generating shitty soul deprived music and the industry CAN get some value off of tools like this. You can make samples, for example, for your beats, etc, there's plenty of room to use this tool as an actual TOOL for human music creation, but people can't seem to look past the ethical and moral issue at large, as if 99.9% of them are making any money off of their music anyway. 👀
Now I would still be careful because the damned ToS can screw you up with the monetization part, but there's plenty of examples of people making music off of YT vids with AI and I don't see them getting taken down, if anything, there's more of them every day.
Did you use AI to write this drivel for you like you do for your beats?
@@greenlenny3926 you know me, to infer that? Ignorance is cool when you dont know how it makes you look.
I am a musician and have been for over 20 years. Im just not ignorant to the fact that tools are meant to be used and exploited to your particular use, even if the MF that made it is a PoS. (you dont seem to have an issue with Google and its Adsense/Personal info ethics, since you're here on their platform, and all the other scummy tech companies that you support every day, so there's that as well.)
You can say whatever you want about me personally, you have a standpoint and a view on things and im not shitting on your personal views (im sure you're a morally righteous person, 100% lol), so don't try and shit on me for playing devils advocate for this issue just because you don't have any real argument to contradict my statement. It just makes you look ignorant. I know and I agree that the CEO is scummy, I said it myself. Im talking about the tool itself, sepparate from the persons behind it. I do not have the crayons to spell it out more clearly for you, sorry.
I use my phone for music production: I use it to phone the studio to let them know I'm ON MY WAY..:.to their studio!!
Also, GROUNDBREAKING should be relegated to the same Dumpster that we tossed GAME CHANGING into.
It's the SAME Garbage Can where Teenage Engineering and [modern day] ROLAND live.
Any product remaining in stores, you ask? Doubtful...but you might look in Walmart, Isle 34, I think it was.
When a company focuses everything in the apparence of the trailer I suspect the plugin itself won’t be as good.
they got him mid sentence at the end 😭
AI Copyright Law. Following the advice from german GEMA from 2023. And I was right ;-)
Actually it must be human driven. It means that the human is using the computer as an artistic tool, which is completely valid. The tools are superior to most musicians, that’s just another reason for musicians to improve themselves.
We should get rid of Suno because I got a corporate job one time and during training, one of the tasks we had to finish was listening to a FULL Suno R&B song with female cursive vocals and the most unbearable male rapper voice you've ever heard. The lyrics? About "Emotional Intelligence" like shut up fr.
Yes, it was as bad and generic as one would imagine.
😅I love slop phone music!🤘
The modern folk song.
No ai slop mastering tho. And definetly no subscription fees.
Thing with the bussiness model of BEAM is that they basically sell DLC. If you are a gamer you can see where its heading with plugins, DLC, Subscriptions, stores within plugins, ad`s within plugins.. etc. it`s gonna be the same as with games and i don`t like it.
So, no "Timbaland prompts Suno" Rhythm Roulette then ? 😁
Monthly subscription models are an automatic pass for me.
Faders.. lol... the only thing fading is my patience 🤣
Oh no, I have to put a guitar or bass riff into an AI first. Oh, right, that's what I already do.
Quite a sensible approach to AI to be honest. It's a bit like saying Logic's AI instruments are fine, but Suno is not
Basic tool VS generative garbage
did you watch the video at all?
Wait so they're placing blame for environmental emissions on the artists and not on the music streaming service providers or the users?
Sounds like rage-bait ngl. No one would seriously wanna argue for point view unless their intention was to generate engagement by pissing off as many people as possible.
7:50 kinda disingenuous to whine about the price and not mention it's made in Japan apparently. That would be a big part of the cost, but going by experience would be a very high quality product in terms of manufacturing
Seriously though have you played with Udio recently? It's getting insane
In what way?
It's over for it, completely rekt and done.
@@maccagrabme get it to make something like a minimal modern classical piece with strings, piano etc. I literally wouldn't be able to tell it was AI. It's not perfect with all styles but it's getting scary good at some stuff
Great. None of that helps when bros alter your music with AI and then re-release it. It's something, but it's not that. I don't think anyone can stop these bots.
I knew i felt something concerning when I listened to T-Swift
I think beam is frikin cool!
AI bros are in meeting with your president. ChatGPT dude was in meetings with Trump and Zuck last week 🤣😂 The guy who made Grok is the shadow president 🤦♂
What multi effects plug in is not a pain in the ass to get precision results? I thought Transit would be great, I thought infiltrator would be amazing, and Shaper Box Should do a better job by adding effects for fucking free as an update! I’m not paying 19 dollars to add reverb, because you get the same freaking effect by placing reverb before shaper box. I just love complaining, and I actually do love those plugins. But at least arturia offers free updates that KICK ASS! Unlike Ni
Carbon dioxide can never ever be controlled no matter how hard they tell you.
Obviously, you used an AI- generated clickbait title!
Naw… AI-Gen music will win… as will those who know how to leverage it.
@ 00:50
Whaaaat, it’s not even close to Infiltrator. It’s another unique multi-fx to have in the bag, nothing more, nothing less.
I think it's getting there. A few more modules imo.
The modulation is vaaaaastly different, so I’m gonna disagree bigtime. The routing in BEAM is night and day.
They’re both very unique and very useable.
You said warmth 😂
Where is you girlfriend? Bring back your girlfriend.
I understand that people dislike AI, but I think it can be useful.
I laughed pretty hard at landr phone app... No, there is nothing good there OR that stupid midi controller.
Your AI conclusion is way off. This is actually a positive for people creating music with AI as a tool. I like your channel 'cos you're honest and real, but your fear of AI is misplaced. There is certainly a lot of slop, but that isn't any different in the AI space than any other space.
It’s dishonesty to say BEAM costs $69 it’s closer too $150…
It’s a shitty business model
BEAM its self is not worth it for $70 you need Time for it to have any real use & that’s another $40 making Time $110 & it’s not worth that!
I would pay $70 for the whole thing.
What happens when beam 2 comes out? Will I have to spend $250 for it?
It’s a game industry model.. I hate it.
You’re the most hilarious music gear commentator on TH-cam 😅😅😅😅😅 keep up the good work
wauw another video about music stuff instead of he said she said bullshit , You'r growing up! AMAZING
The people using Suno are people who don't mind lying to themselves and stroking the imaginary ego it creates.
Its going to be a real mess when the Ai bubble bursts and not enough therapists
How do you know what's inside every Suno user? There is thousand reasons people use Suno for. Some generate songs for fun and share that. Some use it as creative tool. Others may try to sell it as their own music. How do you know what ego is driving them? You don't. But if you think you do maybe your ego is inflated sinse you are already the all knowing. I've been living without AI all my life. I can write melodies all the time. But if there is a tool helping to put all this together...sheeeeet...I am using it.
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I don't know what is inside any Suno user thank you very much, and hopefully never will.
What I know is what everyone else knows only certain types use Suno and they are the type that buy paint-by-numbers kits for the most part and do not have what it takes but are willing to convince themselves of anything as long as it makes them happy.
If you enjoy phony baloney music made by the blood sweat and tears of the people that service rips off and have a good ego stroke maybe Timbaland will join in if the beat floats his boat enough
Same as when someone presses PLAY on a drum machine which defines rap with a mean face talking about how cool they are for hanging out with the other special tryhard ammosexual gang members.
@henrievery-3eye But you said you don't know what's in the head of every Suno user and than proceed to describe the "only" kind of people using it. Well, like it or not this is expression of capitalism-reduse the cost and increase the profit. It's in every part of your life. Now you get to notice it because it's related to something you may care about. So, you'd rather use expensive sound library and waste three days no one is going to give you back to produce something when you can give Suno rough recording of what you want and than it spits back something that has articulation, swells, transitions...what not. But it's the ego telling you that spending three days to do something that with the help of Suno you will do in three hours is somehow better. There is no guarantee it's going to be better. That's just the beginning. Wait until everyone under the sun start using AI. Just wait until everyone tell themselves " why the f@
Suno users are playing with their Duplo blocks, while us Udio users are building advanced LEGO robotics.
They just said you can't copyright mek sonk stuff. Anything that someone wrote lyrics for or edited afterwards can now be copyrighted.
It's the opposite of "finished".
I'm a songwriter, my live vocals are okay, but my layers and harmonies are trash. I took a vocal production course I'm still trash. I don't know how to mix either and can't afford a professional mixing engineer. Suno helps me turn my demos ie unmixed wavs of songs into slightly better demos sometimes almost complete songs. The direction of the use copyright gives me a little more confidence.
As long as you edited the melodic content of the AI prompt.
We didnt win anything. AI exploitation of musicians is here to stay. Weaver if u continue with that clickbait imma just block this channel. Yeah one person might not be the be all and all, but I'm sure many people feel this way when you mislead them.
It's not that serious.
Oh yeah? And who exactly are you? Seems like you love talking lots of shiz with nothing to back up your arguments
The MONOLIT looks like a fkn joke. Dorks that don’t make music will buy it.
They already have its sold out 😭
Some people are tre dumb.
anything on a phone is trash
Do you use those headphones for production or just for the channel?
I love you Weaver, but the Monolit does not give off Teenage Engineering vibes, it gives off Monome vibes, which existed as early as 2005, way before TE put out anything.
you know what, that's fair
Love the fact that you've approached a political view on this video! Always amazing stuff and reviews!!