The Fate Franchise suffers from the same problem most anime adaptations do: the most essential information you need to really understand WTF is from the original source materia (ie the Visual Novel, in this case). The adaptations may explain the core basics, but there's *so much* going on that you're just never told about or explained because its always just assumed that if you're watching an adaptation, it's because you're familiar with the original and so they don't need to waste time going deeper into character motivations, the "rules" of the setting, or anything more than a single layer deep in the narrative. It's *really* frustrating, because you can't rightfully ask someone to "oh just go do this 90+ hour visual novel, and you'll understand everything!" But to give as quick an answer as possible to your question, "Okay, so you summon heroes to fight for the holy grail. WHY?" Because the Holy Grail is a lie. The War is a lie. And the only people who don't know, are the two main characters and the heroes they've summoned. The whole thing was intended as a ritual where seven heroic spirits are sacrifcied, channeled into a magical artifact they *called* the Holy Grail for Brand Recognition, and then use all that power to tear open a portal to the Akashic Record, and gain ultimate magical power. The ritual is to summon the servants, the "war" is to get the servants to kill each other, and the command seals are so the "winner" can force the final Servant to kill themselves to finish the ritual off.
Yeah, uh no. You couldn't even be more wrong. That is the *Holy Fuyuki Grail War* not the entire franchise itself. The rules of the setting are explainable, they just would rather do the character motivations instead, which is perfectly fine in UBW(Ufotable). If you really wanted to know the deeper mechanics of course you can just go to the Wiki. It's to show that a world is already built. You really wouldn't want a show to say every detail of every bit for every scene yes?
And that's not going into the fact that there's a vague *thing* that'll kill whoever is trying to bad touch the Root, unless they get super lucky and get that dank magic.
Well it was supposed to be a dlc, but square enix shut down the production before the last 3 dlc were made. And after reading it im glad they did, the "true" ending sucks.
@@reidboggs4344 It isn't even Nomura's fault there. Nomura was taken off when the game was FF VS 13. Hajime Tabata was the director for FF15. They pulled Nomura off of work on FF 15 to get to work on Kingdom Hearts 3. However that isn't to say that Nomura hasn't done absolutely crazy things there.
I believe 15 was made by Nomura, and depending on where you are from, you either love him or hate him. He's much less interested in a compelling narrative or fun gameplay, as he'd much rather show you all the cool ideas he came up with while walking his dog. Edit: okay he confirmed in the video Nomura did make the game.
@@vicount3944 but they admitted that the game wasn't finished. They needed more dlc to "complete" the story that they conveniently left out of the base game. They had to stop because it wasn't making money.
Funny thing is I genuinely love Final Fantasy 15 and think its a good game that gets a bit too much hate. Not that some of the hate is unjustified because the game isn’t perfect but I do think this game is really good flaws and all. Even without the dlc the game and story is very engaging and fun plus this game is gorgeous. Lastly, every character has drip in my opinion especially Arden. Seriously I want that man’s wardrobe just so I could stunt on everyone I come across.
I rather liked it. The hunts were very fun. It was another success story a la Final Fantasy 14, where the initial release was broken, so they just decided to keep working on it for free for years afterwards to improve it. Added a whole new end sequence, scenes from the movie to make things clearer, fixed bugs, doubled the size of the fishing minigame, and let the minigame be played in VR, for some reason, and a bunch of seasonal and cross over events. They even added a multiplayer mode, and went back and let you play as Noctis's buddies with completely different combat styles from the DLC's if you didn't like Noctis's gameplay. They were even going for a completely different timeline ending with the DLC. Each one had an easy and hard way to beat it, and if you got the hard ending on all 6 you'd get a completely different ending. But they got cut off after just 4.
I’m in a weird mood. Or my meds are kicking in, lol. Either way, you’re making me think of the various final fantasy games, the OLDER ones I grew up with, and if their plots are just as batshit crazy, but my nostalgia is insisting they were not nearly as crazy as 15. Example: FF3 (which was TECHNICALLY Final Fantasy 6 in Japan) is about a rag-tag group of rebels fighting against an evil empire using magic (which disappeared long ago) and magitech to conquer the world. As you gather homies, you discover a parallel dimension full of gods and spirits, which the Empire also discovered and have been harvesting the residents to make their magic stuff. You find out that the REAL way to learn strong magic is to wait for those spirits to die and take the stones which are left behind. But the empire finds out too, and they raise a giant floating continent into the sky, in order to fuck with 3 goddess statues that are the source of all magic. You try and fail to stop them, and the Emperor is betrayed and murdered by the only “loyal” commander he had left; a psychotic magical clown named Kefka. He pushes the statues out of alignment, which causes an apocalypse and completely changes the world map. And that’s the FIRST half of the game. The second half of the game is getting the squad back together+some new folks and power up, until you can storm Kefka’s tower and curbstomp the nihilistic nearly-a-god drag-queen to bring peace to the world, because he was pretty much sitting up there and throwing random lightning bolts, earth quakes, and meteors down onto the remaining world’s population for the LULZ. That definitely sounds less batshit crazy to me than FF15’s plot, but I might be biased, lol.
Nah, its not just nostalgia. Every FF has a relatively crazy story but they still ultimately make sense. Ive played several old ones recently (7, 9 and 10) and they hold up perfectly well. Not at all as crazy, badly paced and executed as 15.
6:10 I bursted out laughing in Origins when that happened. Like a "mostly realistic world" was just thrown out the moment a cool puzzle turns to "what the actual fuck".
You play the entirety of FF15. You reach the final cutscene. Noctis shows his picture to Lunafreya. It's another girl's picture/ whatever meme you can think of. Moment is ruined. XD
As someone new to FF (played a bit of 7, I own 8 and have been blazing through 14's expansions) and a veteran of the Fate franchise the big difference between FF and Fate is that Fate requires you have the foundation of understanding from the source adaptations if not the VN itself which is tough luck when only 2/3rds of the source material was successfully adapted, otherwise the base knowledge of the lore and plot twist of the Holy Grail War are totally absent for you. All the Fate entries require prior knowledge in some way from some obscure entry you never heard about or don't have access to cuz it's Japanese only and never got fan translated or is still in the decade long process of it because Type Moon neglects western releases of almost everything. Final Fantasy afaik is almost entirely self contained in every entry unless they're direct sequels like FFX and FFX-2 or FF7 and the other games after it like Crisis Core and stuff (i dont actually know the order of FF7 sequels) meaning it literally doesn't matter which you start with and I love it for that so far. Oh and ofc there's stuff that carries over across games like Chocobos and shit.
I'm going to be completely honest, I enjoyed the heck out of FF15. I played it entirely (including all side quests and activities), and I love the combat system. I learned about the ring vs. Adamantoise trick by accident, I was fighting it and pressed triangle, and then I just saw the whole mountain shrink and won the fight. It was way easier than the first time I fought against it, which took me 3 hours. After that, I just kept fighting it until I got maximum level. The ring doesn't work all the time on it, but it's still way faster than just slashing it.
the thing about Final Fantasy is that each game is it's own contained universe. You really dont need to know what happened in IV to enjoy VII because they are 100% unrelated. Really all you have to do is just play Final Fantasy IX. The objectively best Final Fantasy.
i feel like alot of people meme on the fate franchise first and formost for memes, then secondly because they "got bored" with the first couple episodes of fate:zero which basically takes it time to explain the world and setting enough that if you don't plan to go too deep into the series (i don't mean anime) you're good for the most part
Oh yeah that ring i was fighting an overpowered weird snake lady by the lake and doing no damage fo it and my team keeps dying so what i did was spam the ring which do no damage but randomly it sucked her in snd boom she is gone and she wasn't even half health
I beat this game once and I never touched it again. I didn't even touch the DLC or the remastered extended version of it that came later; I was THAT done with it.
I feel like with Fate the more you look into it the less you understand it but somehow it starts making sense in it's own universe... maybe it's the same for Final Fantasy or maybe it's not and it's just nonsensical. All I know is that the Fate series is cooler because it's basically a (very) incorrect summary of real world history and legends with added cosmic existential BS you're not meant to understand. Either way, very unique and understanding it until you don't is probably one of the reasons both of them are entertaining. FF15 is a mess though, but it's really funny.
all ff games are like, one story in their own Just play ff14 you can play that(since its an mmorpg with a glorious free trial meme) from when the story ramps up to the climax of the first expansion which is still the 3rd best story in any video game ever told only topped by the other expansions later of that same game Oh no i would love a ff14 walkthrough, its a very slow start tho, id still watch it for 12 hours a day if youd stream it
its a great game with great potential but overshadowed by its great flaws. still, my least favorite FF is FF13 and all its sequels/spinoffs. FF15 is right in the middle I guess (for me), and personally I still like FF6 the best (followed by 9,7, and 2).
dont try to understand final fantasy .... just roll with it and see were it goes. also there is no real connection between the final fantasy games aside of some char /spell/ location names and monster designes. all of them are their own story in their own world.
I Know the game have his problems but is really fun (i think I say that because i play fuckin phantasy star online the hell out that game) and the game sometimes is epic
The Fate Franchise suffers from the same problem most anime adaptations do: the most essential information you need to really understand WTF is from the original source materia (ie the Visual Novel, in this case). The adaptations may explain the core basics, but there's *so much* going on that you're just never told about or explained because its always just assumed that if you're watching an adaptation, it's because you're familiar with the original and so they don't need to waste time going deeper into character motivations, the "rules" of the setting, or anything more than a single layer deep in the narrative. It's *really* frustrating, because you can't rightfully ask someone to "oh just go do this 90+ hour visual novel, and you'll understand everything!"
But to give as quick an answer as possible to your question, "Okay, so you summon heroes to fight for the holy grail. WHY?"
Because the Holy Grail is a lie. The War is a lie. And the only people who don't know, are the two main characters and the heroes they've summoned. The whole thing was intended as a ritual where seven heroic spirits are sacrifcied, channeled into a magical artifact they *called* the Holy Grail for Brand Recognition, and then use all that power to tear open a portal to the Akashic Record, and gain ultimate magical power. The ritual is to summon the servants, the "war" is to get the servants to kill each other, and the command seals are so the "winner" can force the final Servant to kill themselves to finish the ritual off.
Uuuuyup. Got it.
Congrats, you summarized the entire Fate series in a nutshell and they can stop making these games now.
Yeah, uh no. You couldn't even be more wrong. That is the *Holy Fuyuki Grail War* not the entire franchise itself. The rules of the setting are explainable, they just would rather do the character motivations instead, which is perfectly fine in UBW(Ufotable). If you really wanted to know the deeper mechanics of course you can just go to the Wiki. It's to show that a world is already built. You really wouldn't want a show to say every detail of every bit for every scene yes?
And that's not going into the fact that there's a vague *thing* that'll kill whoever is trying to bad touch the Root, unless they get super lucky and get that dank magic.
The Fate Franchise suffers from the same problem most anime adaptations do: People being dumbasses and not paying attention.
And to get the true ending... you need to read a book. Really, the canon ending is in a book.
FF15 came before but that's a Balan Wonderworld moment
Take a look it's in a book the Canon ending
Well it was supposed to be a dlc, but square enix shut down the production before the last 3 dlc were made.
And after reading it im glad they did, the "true" ending sucks.
Nomura must be stopped.
@@reidboggs4344 It isn't even Nomura's fault there. Nomura was taken off when the game was FF VS 13. Hajime Tabata was the director for FF15. They pulled Nomura off of work on FF 15 to get to work on Kingdom Hearts 3. However that isn't to say that Nomura hasn't done absolutely crazy things there.
I believe 15 was made by Nomura, and depending on where you are from, you either love him or hate him. He's much less interested in a compelling narrative or fun gameplay, as he'd much rather show you all the cool ideas he came up with while walking his dog.
Edit: okay he confirmed in the video Nomura did make the game.
Nomura started it. Tabata made FFXV.
If Nomura kept working on it, it would've never been released.
@@vicount3944 the game never got finished even after years of dlc. I'd argue the game never even left early access
@@Teramoix Well that depends how you look at it. This is what they wanted the game to be. If you consider it unfinished then no game is ever finished.
@@vicount3944 but they admitted that the game wasn't finished. They needed more dlc to "complete" the story that they conveniently left out of the base game. They had to stop because it wasn't making money.
Nomura hatched it but Tabata was the poor soul who had to put it all together and the fact he left SE after this project speaks volume
Funny thing is I genuinely love Final Fantasy 15 and think its a good game that gets a bit too much hate. Not that some of the hate is unjustified because the game isn’t perfect but I do think this game is really good flaws and all. Even without the dlc the game and story is very engaging and fun plus this game is gorgeous. Lastly, every character has drip in my opinion especially Arden. Seriously I want that man’s wardrobe just so I could stunt on everyone I come across.
They fucked up with the game design because of everyone having different priorities between members and decision makers, thats about it
I platinumed the game, so either it is a great and fun game, or I'm an ape.
@@bradensmith8682 The game was big and everyone tried to drag it in a certain direction and it got stretched too hard and ended up being what it is
I rather liked it. The hunts were very fun.
It was another success story a la Final Fantasy 14, where the initial release was broken, so they just decided to keep working on it for free for years afterwards to improve it.
Added a whole new end sequence, scenes from the movie to make things clearer, fixed bugs, doubled the size of the fishing minigame, and let the minigame be played in VR, for some reason, and a bunch of seasonal and cross over events. They even added a multiplayer mode, and went back and let you play as Noctis's buddies with completely different combat styles from the DLC's if you didn't like Noctis's gameplay.
They were even going for a completely different timeline ending with the DLC. Each one had an easy and hard way to beat it, and if you got the hard ending on all 6 you'd get a completely different ending. But they got cut off after just 4.
@@bradensmith8682 ape
I’m in a weird mood. Or my meds are kicking in, lol. Either way, you’re making me think of the various final fantasy games, the OLDER ones I grew up with, and if their plots are just as batshit crazy, but my nostalgia is insisting they were not nearly as crazy as 15.
Example: FF3 (which was TECHNICALLY Final Fantasy 6 in Japan) is about a rag-tag group of rebels fighting against an evil empire using magic (which disappeared long ago) and magitech to conquer the world. As you gather homies, you discover a parallel dimension full of gods and spirits, which the Empire also discovered and have been harvesting the residents to make their magic stuff.
You find out that the REAL way to learn strong magic is to wait for those spirits to die and take the stones which are left behind. But the empire finds out too, and they raise a giant floating continent into the sky, in order to fuck with 3 goddess statues that are the source of all magic. You try and fail to stop them, and the Emperor is betrayed and murdered by the only “loyal” commander he had left; a psychotic magical clown named Kefka. He pushes the statues out of alignment, which causes an apocalypse and completely changes the world map.
And that’s the FIRST half of the game. The second half of the game is getting the squad back together+some new folks and power up, until you can storm Kefka’s tower and curbstomp the nihilistic nearly-a-god drag-queen to bring peace to the world, because he was pretty much sitting up there and throwing random lightning bolts, earth quakes, and meteors down onto the remaining world’s population for the LULZ.
That definitely sounds less batshit crazy to me than FF15’s plot, but I might be biased, lol.
Nah, its not just nostalgia. Every FF has a relatively crazy story but they still ultimately make sense. Ive played several old ones recently (7, 9 and 10) and they hold up perfectly well. Not at all as crazy, badly paced and executed as 15.
6:10 I bursted out laughing in Origins when that happened. Like a "mostly realistic world" was just thrown out the moment a cool puzzle turns to "what the actual fuck".
You play the entirety of FF15. You reach the final cutscene. Noctis shows his picture to Lunafreya. It's another girl's picture/ whatever meme you can think of. Moment is ruined. XD
My favorite was a streamer picking the cup ramen
As someone new to FF (played a bit of 7, I own 8 and have been blazing through 14's expansions) and a veteran of the Fate franchise the big difference between FF and Fate is that Fate requires you have the foundation of understanding from the source adaptations if not the VN itself which is tough luck when only 2/3rds of the source material was successfully adapted, otherwise the base knowledge of the lore and plot twist of the Holy Grail War are totally absent for you.
All the Fate entries require prior knowledge in some way from some obscure entry you never heard about or don't have access to cuz it's Japanese only and never got fan translated or is still in the decade long process of it because Type Moon neglects western releases of almost everything.
Final Fantasy afaik is almost entirely self contained in every entry unless they're direct sequels like FFX and FFX-2 or FF7 and the other games after it like Crisis Core and stuff (i dont actually know the order of FF7 sequels) meaning it literally doesn't matter which you start with and I love it for that so far. Oh and ofc there's stuff that carries over across games like Chocobos and shit.
Played that game three times, never could kill the tortoise with the ring, always thought it was a whacky myth.
They patched it out
Ah, one of the more underapreciated Max0r videos
I'm going to be completely honest, I enjoyed the heck out of FF15. I played it entirely (including all side quests and activities), and I love the combat system. I learned about the ring vs. Adamantoise trick by accident, I was fighting it and pressed triangle, and then I just saw the whole mountain shrink and won the fight. It was way easier than the first time I fought against it, which took me 3 hours. After that, I just kept fighting it until I got maximum level. The ring doesn't work all the time on it, but it's still way faster than just slashing it.
Love your videos man, keep em up!
I love your reactions dude
17:30 actually , thaats wrong
There is aranea, with her non existent best girl dlc.
I see
Ardyn deserved to be in a better game, such a cool character / antagonist.
I heard Noxus and my body froze for a second
the thing about Final Fantasy is that each game is it's own contained universe. You really dont need to know what happened in IV to enjoy VII because they are 100% unrelated.
Really all you have to do is just play Final Fantasy IX. The objectively best Final Fantasy.
7 and 10 are related Shinra corporation is founded by shinra from FF10-2.
If you can enjoy mmo gameplay, then 14 has the best single player content in the franchise. But for a lot of people that’s a big IF.
@@matthewsimmons9277that's just a fan theory. Shinra from 10-2 is definitely a reference to ff7, but that's it
i feel like alot of people meme on the fate franchise first and formost for memes, then secondly because they "got bored" with the first couple episodes of fate:zero which basically takes it time to explain the world and setting enough that if you don't plan to go too deep into the series (i don't mean anime) you're good for the most part
About AC Origins, SE and Ubisoft have been cross promoting their stuff for a while now.
Lunafreya in Kingsglaive is 1000% better than game Luna
Noctis also got into Tekken 7
Why? Yes
11:07 yep.
Oh yeah that ring i was fighting an overpowered weird snake lady by the lake and doing no damage fo it and my team keeps dying so what i did was spam the ring which do no damage but randomly it sucked her in snd boom she is gone and she wasn't even half health
I beat this game once and I never touched it again. I didn't even touch the DLC or the remastered extended version of it that came later; I was THAT done with it.
thanks for the reaction. also react to this Metal Gear Solid 5 vid.😄
Oh yeah scenery, like the giant naked lady? I fucking love that shit my guy
I feel like with Fate the more you look into it the less you understand it but somehow it starts making sense in it's own universe... maybe it's the same for Final Fantasy or maybe it's not and it's just nonsensical. All I know is that the Fate series is cooler because it's basically a (very) incorrect summary of real world history and legends with added cosmic existential BS you're not meant to understand. Either way, very unique and understanding it until you don't is probably one of the reasons both of them are entertaining. FF15 is a mess though, but it's really funny.
i see the kittie, whilst watching you with my kittie. greetings and *meow* from germany Jack - signed, jakob 😀
What was that Fate clip from at the beginning? It seems like an abdridged, but I don't remember this one.
Fate/Cero by YaroShien
yo badger got a new video! when iz yu reacting?
I kinda liked this game ngl. Although, I spent most of the time fishing and betting on animal fights. Thats probably why I liked it.
i farmed tf out of the adamantoise
all ff games are like, one story in their own
Just play ff14 you can play that(since its an mmorpg with a glorious free trial meme) from when the story ramps up to the climax of the first expansion which is still the 3rd best story in any video game ever told only topped by the other expansions later of that same game
Oh no i would love a ff14 walkthrough, its a very slow start tho, id still watch it for 12 hours a day if youd stream it
its a great game with great potential but overshadowed by its great flaws.
still, my least favorite FF is FF13 and all its sequels/spinoffs.
FF15 is right in the middle I guess (for me), and personally I still like FF6 the best (followed by 9,7, and 2).
the car is not on rails anymore but that was a super shit design in the first release of the game
I don't know how square does it but the always finde the strangest guys to write there FF games
Ardyn doesn't seem like Sam.
dont try to understand final fantasy .... just roll with it and see were it goes. also there is no real connection between the final fantasy games aside of some char /spell/ location names and monster designes. all of them are their own story in their own world.
I Know the game have his problems but is really fun (i think I say that because i play fuckin phantasy star online the hell out that game) and the game sometimes is epic
Meh. I like the game. And Fate
FF 15 was irritating on so many levels.