Nice video, but rather than spending millions extending the Chingford line just to build Waltham Abbey its own London Overground station, why not just bring back TfL buses? TfL should extend the 215 and 379 to bring back buses from Waltham Abbey to Chingford Station and Chingford Mount as there is nothing anymore. They should bring the 317 back to Upshire via Farm Hill Road where it used to terminate. It would be good if TfL could also take over buses to Loughton tube station as well as Epping, which they also used to run. The private buses that run these days are just awful.
Does Waltham Abbey need a railway station if Waltham Cross, Cheshunt, Epping and Chingford aren’t that far away and do have railway stations. I can see the option for a railway station to be built at Waltham Abbey if the London Overground was to extend from Chingford.
This is most unlikely to ever happen. In fact Chingford Station is at a high enough level to allow for a bridge over the road as this was originally proposed, but vetoed by the City of London as owners of Epping Forest!
Really interesting question. I like your plan for an extension of the Chingford Weaver line. Google Maps estimates a car journey from Chingford to WA at 16 mins - a direct rail journey would probably beat that - but then you have to get a connecting bus to the town centre. Perhaps the obvious - and quickly organised - first step would be a Superloop style express bus, timed to connect with the trains at Chingford. That would at least give an indication of the demand. WA is in the interesting category of towns ouside the M25, mostly not included in 'London' but with TfL rail services serving the similar towns on either side (Waltham X and Epping). Who decides these things? I gather there is some debate about bus services which attempt to provide services from towns outside 'London' to towns actually in 'London'; there is a feeling that TfL, if not actively trying to kill them off, is making things hard for them e.g. by insisting that they accept Oyster, with all the expensive apparatus required for that, and acceptance of whatever share of the income TfL decides they will get. From a passenger point of view it is better if Oyster is accepted, so perhaps TfL should review the 'deal' it offers.
The plan would have more chance of sucess if the Chingford extension carried on to Harlow. Building a new station at the south of the town (Harlow South??)
Because originally trade would have been conducted via the canal or river lea. The old gunpowder mills were built close to the river. Edit: Also Waltham Abbey used to have busses running down Sun st many years ago. These days it's all pedestrian areas and like many towns in the UK the banks have moved out. So people have to go to Waltham Cross.
Ambitious, but pointless. Like many people are saying in the comments Waltham Abbey is very close to Waltham Cross, so the new station wouldn't be any more useful than Waltham Cross (other than to serve the Chingford area). A better idea would be to extend one of the routes from Waltham Cross to Waltham Abbey (Like the 217, 317, etc) or extend the 215 or 379.
Exactly, what's the point of spending millions just to give Waltham Abbey an Overground station when the awful transport links can be fixed by just extending a few TfL buses? All buses in the area used to be TfL, but not anymore. The 379 literally just goes from Chingford Station to the Yardley Lane Estate on the border of Waltham Abbey. It's such a short route. The 215 terminates in the middle of nowhere at the Sewardstone Road campsite. TfL should extend the 215 to Waltham Cross via Waltham Abbey town centre, and the 379 to Upshire or somewhere else. TfL should bring back the 317 to Upshire via Farm Hill Road where it used to terminate. Pretty sure the 217 even went to Waltham Abbey at some point.
@@ThomasHarding-r2g Completely agree, north of Chingord is pretty poorly connected by tfl buses so why not use them to cover areas like Waltham Abbey, especially routes like the 379 or 385 which are in the top 10 or 20 least used routes in London currently.
Because it is a small town only around a mile from Waltham Cross station? There are many places of greater population and importance than Waltham Abbey which do not have a railway station.
There's 3 bus routes which take no longer than 5 minutes down the road to waltham Cross station. There's no need for this extension to happen whatsoever
Waltham Abbey has never had any TfL Contracted Routes the 242 I think you are referring to only went to Waltham Cross. you show a map of the TfL 242 but dot notice that it goes no any where near Waltham Cross Let alone Waltham Abbey. you answer your question to why it does not have its own named station at the 1:12 mark there is one half a mile away. Please do your subscribers and TH-cam users a favor and fact check things before you make a video why not post a video about how Biggin Hill does not have a train station when its within the M25 and the nearest station is 5 Miles away
Wrong, all buses in Waltham Abbey used to be TfL. And the old TfL route 242 used to go from Chingford Station to Potters Bar through Waltham Abbey and Cheshunt via Waltham Cross.
This ignoring the fact that N-tfl bus routes provide a frequent service to Waltham Cross and ECC tendered route 505 used to run to Chingford but got cut back, it would be convenient for Central Connect (formerly Vectare) to extend it back at a lower frequency than the average tfl route,less demand for a connection too
Nice to dream ! it would cossed billions of pounds to build , Historicaly the railway was ment too run from chingford to WA via hightbeach which was a populer victorain day out for londoners it would have had its station at the juntion of farm hill and broomstick hall rd not far from the Nobel fractory in waltham abbey ... now in the 21st centry we need better bus , the local authority did as TFL to externd the red bus up swerdstone rd to WA as an alternitive to cars and having to pay ULEZ this was bluntly turned down by TFL . Many in waltham abby and people move here value its isolation from london and its drug crime and gang culture. they also move to WA becouse of good schools and envroment and the M25 , Night tube to loughton is of little use to WA and is assocated with county lines drug running and several case of cook cooing in WA of vonrable people , so transpor has very negative side the bus's just need to run later be cheaper and more frequant ,
Imagine if Labour removed the green belt.
Nice video, but rather than spending millions extending the Chingford line just to build Waltham Abbey its own London Overground station, why not just bring back TfL buses? TfL should extend the 215 and 379 to bring back buses from Waltham Abbey to Chingford Station and Chingford Mount as there is nothing anymore. They should bring the 317 back to Upshire via Farm Hill Road where it used to terminate. It would be good if TfL could also take over buses to Loughton tube station as well as Epping, which they also used to run. The private buses that run these days are just awful.
Great idea, I fully support it
Does Waltham Abbey need a railway station if Waltham Cross, Cheshunt, Epping and Chingford aren’t that far away and do have railway stations.
I can see the option for a railway station to be built at Waltham Abbey if the London Overground was to extend from Chingford.
Do you live in Waltham Abbey?
This is most unlikely to ever happen. In fact Chingford Station is at a high enough level to allow for a bridge over the road as this was originally proposed, but vetoed by the City of London as owners of Epping Forest!
Really interesting question. I like your plan for an extension of the Chingford Weaver line. Google Maps estimates a car journey from Chingford to WA at 16 mins - a direct rail journey would probably beat that - but then you have to get a connecting bus to the town centre. Perhaps the obvious - and quickly organised - first step would be a Superloop style express bus, timed to connect with the trains at Chingford. That would at least give an indication of the demand. WA is in the interesting category of towns ouside the M25, mostly not included in 'London' but with TfL rail services serving the similar towns on either side (Waltham X and Epping). Who decides these things?
I gather there is some debate about bus services which attempt to provide services from towns outside 'London' to towns actually in 'London'; there is a feeling that TfL, if not actively trying to kill them off, is making things hard for them e.g. by insisting that they accept Oyster, with all the expensive apparatus required for that, and acceptance of whatever share of the income TfL decides they will get. From a passenger point of view it is better if Oyster is accepted, so perhaps TfL should review the 'deal' it offers.
The plan would have more chance of sucess if the Chingford extension carried on to Harlow.
Building a new station at the south of the town (Harlow South??)
Because originally trade would have been conducted via the canal or river lea. The old gunpowder mills were built close to the river. Edit: Also Waltham Abbey used to have busses running down Sun st many years ago. These days it's all pedestrian areas and like many towns in the UK the banks have moved out. So people have to go to Waltham Cross.
Nice video!! 👍
Ambitious, but pointless. Like many people are saying in the comments Waltham Abbey is very close to Waltham Cross, so the new station wouldn't be any more useful than Waltham Cross (other than to serve the Chingford area).
A better idea would be to extend one of the routes from Waltham Cross to Waltham Abbey (Like the 217, 317, etc) or extend the 215 or 379.
Exactly, what's the point of spending millions just to give Waltham Abbey an Overground station when the awful transport links can be fixed by just extending a few TfL buses? All buses in the area used to be TfL, but not anymore. The 379 literally just goes from Chingford Station to the Yardley Lane Estate on the border of Waltham Abbey. It's such a short route. The 215 terminates in the middle of nowhere at the Sewardstone Road campsite. TfL should extend the 215 to Waltham Cross via Waltham Abbey town centre, and the 379 to Upshire or somewhere else. TfL should bring back the 317 to Upshire via Farm Hill Road where it used to terminate. Pretty sure the 217 even went to Waltham Abbey at some point.
@@ThomasHarding-r2g Completely agree, north of Chingord is pretty poorly connected by tfl buses so why not use them to cover areas like Waltham Abbey, especially routes like the 379 or 385 which are in the top 10 or 20 least used routes in London currently.
Very nice Akshay
Because it is a small town only around a mile from Waltham Cross station? There are many places of greater population and importance than Waltham Abbey which do not have a railway station.
There's 3 bus routes which take no longer than 5 minutes down the road to waltham Cross station. There's no need for this extension to happen whatsoever
Waltham Abbey has never had any TfL Contracted Routes the 242 I think you are referring to only went to Waltham Cross. you show a map of the TfL 242 but dot notice that it goes no any where near Waltham Cross Let alone Waltham Abbey. you answer your question to why it does not have its own named station at the 1:12 mark there is one half a mile away.
Please do your subscribers and TH-cam users a favor and fact check things before you make a video why not post a video about how Biggin Hill does not have a train station when its within the M25 and the nearest station is 5 Miles away
Wrong, all buses in Waltham Abbey used to be TfL. And the old TfL route 242 used to go from Chingford Station to Potters Bar through Waltham Abbey and Cheshunt via Waltham Cross.
This ignoring the fact that N-tfl bus routes provide a frequent service to Waltham Cross and ECC tendered route 505 used to run to Chingford but got cut back, it would be convenient for Central Connect (formerly Vectare) to extend it back at a lower frequency than the average tfl route,less demand for a connection too
Nice to dream ! it would cossed billions of pounds to build , Historicaly the railway was ment too run from chingford to WA via hightbeach which was a populer victorain day out for londoners it would have had its station at the juntion of farm hill and broomstick hall rd not far from the Nobel fractory in waltham abbey ... now in the 21st centry we need better bus , the local authority did as TFL to externd the red bus up swerdstone rd to WA as an alternitive to cars and having to pay ULEZ this was bluntly turned down by TFL . Many in waltham abby and people move here value its isolation from london and its drug crime and gang culture. they also move to WA becouse of good schools and envroment and the M25 , Night tube to loughton is of little use to WA and is assocated with county lines drug running and several case of cook cooing in WA of vonrable people , so transpor has very negative side the bus's just need to run later be cheaper and more frequant ,
I live in waltham Abbey near Roundhills and I walk waltham cross station near enough everyday JUST WALKKKK😂