If I'm going to spend £1000+ on a gun then I expect to get the best from the manufacturer. I do not expect to get cheap plastic parts on an expensive investment.
Thanks guys and girl. Great to have you back. Stock and furniture materials should be an option. If you want an Italian walnut stock with adjustable bells and whistles pay for it. 👍
I bought the 110 carbine and absolutely love it. Quality build excellent value. My 5th air rifle in 3 years. Defo the best and better than my £1200 rifle. Excellent show again gents
Really enjoy your videos -thanks.I am more of a clay shooter but have always enjoyed airguns since my first webley jaguar 53 years ago. In the shotgun world an adjustable cheek piece adds about £400 to the cost of the gun , the grain does match though!
Being old school, I tend to prefer wood to synthetic stocks, but agree completely with Lloyd about what one can realistically expect at a given price point. However, I'm not so bothered about parts, for example the Weihrauch synthetic breech. As Tony says, some of the advanced ballistic polymers are tougher than metal. What's most important is that it does the job. Interesting discussion, as always, guys. Good to see you back.
I brought a kraal np 02 at the shooting show and I love it. Then I saw Tony on his stand never got the chance to say hello but he is a little fella and I could see how a grownup gun would be a problem. Ha ha
Plastic adjustable cheekpiece looks like crap on a nice gun, BUT the right hand only stocks on the previous R10s made the guns completely unshootable for a left handed shooter like me. So the plastic cheekpiece is the better of two bad options. A well made ambi stock would be preferable to both.
I'm not really a "Brand" fanatic I've owned the .22 BSA Mercury, the HW35 in both .22 & .177 & the Webley .22 Vulcan. These 4 Rifles have all served me well over the years & can't really say I'd put one over the others, I've thoroughly enjoyed owning them all.
I'm a time served cabinet maker and I knew the answer to the cheek piece question before it was asked !! I also own my own manufacturing business! Lloyd is 100% right !!!!! Business is the customer at the end of the day and he and his staff are selling to the end user and the person that is spending the most amount of money that product is every likely to be worth. We only really touch 4 points of the gun, the cheek piece IS one both them !! AND it should look nice!! Matching wood wood wood wood !!!!
Ive watched this Vid about 5 times. Each time i get more from it.... like seeing bits ive browsed over.... and the combination of Tony and Lloyd works better than the action on a hw100!. Tony knows and has probably forgotten more than most guys running gun companies. no near enough is good enough and Lloyd always comes up with consumer standpoint. bl@@dy marvelous!
If the new rten had a proper cheek piece I’d of been buying one I hate how it is becoming normal for companies to ruin the look of a nice rifle with a plastic or soft touch cheek piece
I bet that if a manufacturer produced an all-polymer rifle (apart from the barrel) that was proven to outshoot anything else on the market for £1500, or more, it would sell. Why? Because if you value the performance of a gun the materials used are secondary. Look at the world of sniper rifles, they are utilitarian and most look agricultural but what matters is that they deliver on performance. My view of the Red Wolf is that it looks pretty and collectors will buy it. The fact that it shoots well is a bonus but I wouldn't buy it on looks. If Daystate were to read the first line of this post and act on it I'm sure they'd have a good seller but, being conservative, they might put it out under the Brocock brand. Keep it up guys, I enjoy watching the show and the banter is first-rate. ATB, Neil Darlow
Excellent as always and you didn’t need to show any guns to make it interesting! I love Tony’s balance between manufacturer and trader, I think Lloyd he won that round over the reason for plastic cheek pieces. Keep it coming and I can’t wait to see the Brococks because I’m about to buy one but not not sure yet which one to have.
I love the HW 100s And have got the HW100 and the HW100 Bull pup👀 they are both accurate Shot on shot I love them and can’t say one wrong word about them they are ace 👍🏻😎👌🏻
In my opinion. What the stock is made out of doesn't matter. It's how the rifle performs. If it works and its made of lollipop sticks and chewing gum then so what.
I couldn’t agree more accept the chewing gum gun😂 but yes i think I doesn’t matter because most company’s supply synthetic and wood versions and for wood it’s more expensive so it isn’t like you haven’t got the choice.
Another great show guys,some interesting comments about Plastic cheek pieces & the Weihrauch BP,i recently purchased a HW100kt Laminate, which of course has the adjustable cheek piece & is cut from the Laminate & matches accordingly,prior to my purchase i also looked at the AA U/S with walnut stock & that has what appears to be a plastic cheek piece, but in fact is soft touch finished wood, which to be honest looked a bit odd, however the mighty Weihrauch won the day
I really like the visual contrast of the black soft touch coated cheek piece on the walnut Air Arms Ultimate Sporter. I prefer that look over the black or laminate options. Interesting to hear the explanation of Minelli finding their way around production issues of matching grain. I would love to have the opportunity to use the HW 100 BP. I don't need one but would probably buy one if the weight balance makes it as nice to handle in the field as some have said. But then, everywhere you turn there are desirable competing options like the FX Wildcat, and ..... and ........ I have five air rifles, two don't get much use. For me , the question of wether or not one can justify having them ( particularly top end pricey rifles ) just because they're so damned nice is always there. It may take a little longer, but, i still seem to be able to talk myself round to buying stuff. Though i tend to keep a fairly close eye on the second hand market which helps rationalise the addiction. ....... lol !
Agreed on the subject of tacky plastic cheekpieces on thousand plus pound guns. No way in hell will I part with that amount of cash for one. It`s bad enough with a laminate where the grain doesn`t match, let alone walnut or laminate wth soft touch or plain PLASTIC.
My educated guess would be we won't see one form Weihrauch but no reason to have your gun converted. I've seen pics of Hw100's with bottles so it can be done :)
Hi All speaking of the Daystate Red Wolf, I ordered one from my local dealer and decided to cancel it after 4 months of waiting and got the FX Crown instead. I've always loved the Daystate rifles I've owned or used but I'm not sure I'll try again even though I really want the Red Wolf..
Tony Hassan I had same problem, ordered Wolverine r no show after three months. Ordered a Crown and was shooting it in less than a week. Folk say buy british and local I only live three miles from Daystate bet if you fly to the states and purchase one you could be back home and using it in less than a week. Saying this I do love my Huntsman regale.
I've had my issues with Daystate but I can hold my hands up and say that things have changed reliability wise. Delivery is still hit and miss but they are working on that too. Don't write them off, I didn't and now feel like I made the right decision.
You are spot on Lloyd there are a lot that look forward to a good chit chat video just about air guns, its like a good session down the pub. a video of tony talking about all things airgun I watched when he visited a club near Nottingham was a real page turner so to speak and was so fascinating he covered everything. so you crack on with the chat as its the main aspect of what Hot Air is about. always look forward to this show. on another note, if you are paying big bucks for an air rifle you should expect a matching cheek piece, it should be factored in the price and if that means re jigging the CNC machine that makes the stocks then so be it, we have already paid for it with the price of some of these guns !
I watch folk like you two and I read and listen before purchasing. Having purchased Weihrauch FX and Daystate products over the last two years it was down to there looks and there quality with out both I would not enjoy them as much. The only problem you have with top end products is finding them you have to put the miles in to get them. The times I have been told sorry we can order you one but the delivery time will be considerable. I would love to be loyal to my local dealer! I have noticed recently that you don't loose as much money on air rifles than leaving it in the building society it's also much more fun.
keith mepham always made wooden cheek pieces of his bullpup conversions, i owned one for a while and it was very well done, although "plastic" is warmer in winter...
I had a plastic stocked gun and it was bloody freezing in winter. Simon Moore from BSA has just put me straight about the R10 cheekpiece. Its soft touch covered wood so will probably be a lot nice in Winter than true plastic. Maybe we need heated cheekpieces?
had a few different synthetic or covered stocks the synthetic have always been warmer to me the covered stocks still seem to carry the cold that wood does to me :) maybe a down covered one lol..
I remember when I spent £1000 on a Daystate Air Ranger from The Airgun Centre - A Daystate the safety mechanism didn't work. on - Great QC from Daystate, and didn't think much to The Airgun Centres 'fully tested certificated quality rifle' guarantee neither! 🙄
About saw out a cheek rest and find the right wood for cheek piece , I have an idea !! After cnc finishing band saw out the cheek piece. I know it will not fit ,but bring some inlay between the stock and the cheek rest!!!!! It can be anything ; wood in different colors, polymer in some colors like Weihrauch does in white, or polished aluminum, gold, titan... !!! Come on lazy industry .Be creative! People buy it when it is good and nice to see at !!!! If I had a bit of money I ´ll buy some machines and do it by my self!!!!! As always guys, great video and things I can think of ! Thanks
All the gun makers are jumping on the money wagon not just the big gun makers, look at the SMK P15 £300 gun now you cant even get a second hand one for under £450 mad
How long is that brew. As someone who actually REALLY looks forward to your Shows, bring on part two. Lloyd, did your illness involving you losing your voice, poor Tony hardly got a word in, so I will point a question his way, as seen at shot show USA, will the Bantam "mini" ( two inch shorter?) be available in the UK ( FAC ) and if so , and yous don't cover it in "part Two" can you fill in the Blanks, thanks Gents , worth the wait.
I`m all for having an anesthetic stock, It`s proving slowly to be the Better option , Hands, the feel, the Warmth on the cheeks, easier to keep clean, and Way lighter in weight !! I have an HW110 , Accurate, and Lighter than the 100 !! It`s Fantastic > Great Show guys > Thank You !!
@@blackpoolairrifles9311 That gun, in my opinion, would be the ultimate 'prepper's' rifle. No more stupid gas tanks to lug around. I'd have liked to see you lads test it over a period of time, because I've heard a few complaints about the pump mechanism failing. I'm looking at the Gamo Maxxim Elite Multishot .22 (Gen 2 - low profile magazine) as a possible alternative to the Seneca Aspen. Here's something you might enjoy watching, mate. It's a bloke in the USA who created his own type of 'Seneca Aspen', but he could never get any investors to show faith in his design, which is a real pity. I think it's fantastic, it's called the Freedom 700: th-cam.com/video/diIax8FKkPc/w-d-xo.html
THe New Weihrauch Bullpup is a disappointment as far as I am concerned. For years on the Owners Forum there has been calling for a New Bullpup from Weihrauch and a HW100 with a Bullpup stock and a trigger link if thats how they have done it is falling very short of the New Gun we have wanted to see. I don't doubt it will be an Very accurate becuase it's a tried and tested platform it using. It just seems like they make one version and now they bring a new airgun use the same parts. HW100 then the HW44, now the HW100 giving us the HW100BP. The later at more expense with a new stock and trigger link. I'll not be buying one, and I was after a Weihrauch Bullpup for years.
They all do it, BSA, Air Arms, Daystate etc same gun (little or no changes) and put a new stock on and call it a NEW gun. BSA especially are guilty of this only now they use side levers, they have all gone the HW way with that one, but the BSA is still the same gun from when they brought out the ultra from years ago. and Air Arms and all the others, its a bit like the combustion engine, the original concept is still the norm.
Phew thanks guys, looking forward to the next, don't leave it so long next time, great chemistry between you guys. p.s. how much for the beanies, we'll take some for the club lol.
Personally, I like the look of a synth cheek piece MUCH more than a mismatch one. I've seen some Red Wolf stocks that I thought were bloody horrid because it was painfully obvious that the cheek piece didn't REMOTELY match the stock grain. I think it's insane personally to ask anyone to pay that type of cash for a sub par product. I wouldn't own a laminate stock that wasn't cut from the same blank.
There are 2 mainstreams in Airgunning IMO - The "Must Have The Latest Brigade" & then (Like me) the 40 year old Springer merchants. Being a tight fisted Yorkshireman - Free Air is good!! & my 40+ yo, .22 Webley Vulcan is as good as ever.
High end products need to be made of metal/ wood . Cheaper products can be made from a mix of materials so long as it's decent enough quality to take the stress. Please Do a video on Single stroke rifles.
I don't think there is any thing wrong with a plastic cheek piece as long as it matches the rest of the gun whether it 's £400 or £ 2000. If it affects your shooting ability i.e if it moves while your shooting then its no good.
I appreciate the work that would go in to a matched section for a raised cheek piece but even if companies brought out an option with, say, a £150 difference for plastic vs matched piece, people would then moan about the cost. Ya gotta moan about something. Personally I like the black on the R10. It’s functional and comfortable.
I noticed Diana and Hatson did not go to the BSS and I don't think there going to the NSS they must think the UK market is not worth bothering with anymore.
@Peter Johnson You are right, Edgars just don't seem to take airguns seriously, they are a tiny part of their business. Diana really need to sort their pricing out and find a more airgun friendly distributor . I have to say their gas ram break barrels are fantastic so they have potential .
Missed you guys! Kudos on insisting on production (opposed to pre-production) guns. The new Air Arms s510 XS Ultimate Sporter, an otherwise beautiful gun, has a synthetic cheekpiece and it will probably be the reason why I will pass on it. It is really off putting to me as is the weird charge port, safety. I think it's awesome that Lloyd pointed out that Daystate HAD quality issues, but I would also love to hear from Tony what Daystate (and Brocock) have observed and done to address the problems.
Same here for the 501XS . Cracking gun but I personally wouldn't buy one either, and yet I own an RTI Priest which is all metal . I think its the mixing of the two substances that's just wrong. I will speak to Tony about your question about Brocock and Daystate :)
I think it's all a matter of Personal taste! , but if I wanted or could only afford a plastic stocked gun that's what I would buy , If i wanted a wood stock and could afford it I'd buy one .What I'd really like a grade 5 Walnut Daystate Huntsman HR with a dark Titanium air cylinder and a never ending supply of pellets and a compressor & similarly set up Brockock Super Six ! but We all have dreams , I just haven't won Euro Millions Yet !
Hello Sir´s . What you talk about at 5:00 I actually asked Weihrauch too. And why they do not put a gas ram into they most popular models !? The answer was; No, We have our production line and one gas ram gun ( HW 90) is enough !! I think thats not smart , because all springers from Weihrauch sound and feel much harder then a AirArms springer ( best air guns) even a Walther LGV/LGU shoot´s much smoother !!!
Well boys, for a £1,000+ Gun, I'd be wanting a nice bit of Walnut!! Plastic, Ballistic Polymer (Call it what you will) Doesn't, for me stack up for that kind of Dough!!
All I can tell you guys is airgun stop over here in the United States is not going well at all I mean I understand that you guys have a Vance & airguns of Arizona but that's pretty much about that about it and then maybe one in Utah but as far as the whole United States most people don't even know what a airgun is they still look at one like one of the older hand pump 10 Palms BB gun they don't even have a clue over here what cut really what kind of airguns you guys have and how well-made they are you know over here you can go out and spend $100 and buy a 22 caliber single-shot rifle and do all the small game hunting you want with it most people aren't going to spend thousands of dollars on a airgun when they can get up a 22 rifle or even a semi-automatic for a hundred bucks in 22 caliber but I like to use them and I have a small collection just because I think they are guns are fun to shoot I've got a daystate huntsman Regal I've got a couple FX Wildcats and I've got a couple Benjamin Marauder that I started out with but I think the areas where I small game hunt I could hunt them for years and never run into another person with a airgun in the woods But Me
Kinda like the new AA ultimate sporter with the black cheek piece , didnt at first , but its grown on me , nonetheless an upholster would cover it in whatever tickles yer fancy .. Love the airgun chitchat , beats the s**t out of coronation street and all the other drivel we see on the telly these days ... NOW LISTEN ### for the LAST TIME ### WHO WON THE " NAME THE SILENCER " COMPETITION ????? jesus , its like waiting for hell too freeze over ...
On a high end gun I'd rather pay the difference in manufacturing cost to have a matching cheek piece. It's not the right area to try to save costs because of the visual impact it has. Get your process engineer to figure out how to save the cheek piece that you're throwing away. Just my $.02
Taso 1000 spoke to Michele Carnazzi from Minelli at the IWA show and it’s apparently more to do with the size of the wood blanks, there isn’t enough depth to the blanks on many air gun stock shapes to make it any other way. I have told him how much it’s not liked and he will look into it. To be fair, not everyone sees it as a problem, but it’s one of those things that its either easy to say ‘for....it should be perfect’ Or it one of those things that once you notice it, you can’t stop looking at it. Can’t say it bothers me on a laminate.
@@TonyBelas Mr. Belas, I appreciate your reply. Thank you. Where there's a will and a market they will find a way. ;-) Rapid Air Weapons and other custom manufactures get the bigger blanks and separate the cheek piece with a band saw as you mentioned in the video. I also agree that most don't see it as a big deal, function over form, but it would be cool if it were an option for those that want it. Maybe as an after sale trade up option? Thank you. Taso
a cheekpiece made of wood has more class then a plastic one. on an expensive rifle you may expect some class. on a cheap rifle it's ok to have a plastic one because héy..... you've got an ajustable cheekpiece!!!
Hey fellas not scene you for a bit, Lloyd Have you been away with bear gryls ? By the looks of the beard you have spent some time in the wild lol great to see you back fellas!!!!!!
Not my cup of tea, looks like they’ve got a standard HW100K dragged the scope rail forward and stuck it in a plastic stock! Weihrauch last to the party and rushed it to get sales. Still love the brand but could have done better
@@hotair4269 OK. If you look at the prices there isn't much of a difference really is there? If you are going to stump £750 for a new 110 you could probably find the extra £100 or so for a new 100 and as you mentioned that's before secondhand is taken into account. I liked it when I tried it. Just seemed a bit small for me.
No if it’s a wood stock then it should be a wood cheek piece. Plastic stock plastic cheek piece. Personally I would rather have the hw110 to the hw100. And I want a hat.
Some of the prices for PCP are to high and that is the problems trying to get new blood in the sport especially converting guys from the power burning sport, especially when you can purchase a target grade cz 455 .22l for 400 dollars or a Savage .308 for around the same amount and on and on and some guys don't know that PCPs EXIST , and the other is the air gun manufactures that will not give a firearm dealers a chance to purchase a few samples to bring in the store,they want you to purchase a minimum, and some dealers are not ready for that, in the US all my PCP purchases is done by mail order there are no firearms dealers in the area that carries any products there are only 3 popular places 1 PA, 2 AOA, 3 AIR GUN D. and i am in a city of 3 million, i think the PCP market in the US could be much better, and i think there is a monopoly here in the states with airguns imports. I can keep writhing but that is enough. LOVE YOUR SHOW KEEP ON DOING IT.
America is in the fledgling stage with PCPs at the moment, but when it grows and the word is out that the people want to purchase these guns in their thousands, the gun shops will get on board for their slice of the pie, it was the same here in the UK with all airguns, here a lot of fire arms outlets sell airguns and are happy for the custom. the problem you have in America is fire arms outlets are like funeral directors, they are always there so its going to be hard for the airgun manufacturers to convince them to sell their gear.
Come on Llloyd! How many times do you need to be told the R10 TH DOES NOT HAVE A PLASTIC CHEEK PIECE! It's Walnut, covered in Black Soft Touch covering for ergonomics.
Looks like more than I should need Simon. My apologies for saying plastic but in my defence, I saw the BSA Ultra Xl and thought it was plastic and I thought the R10 had the same cheekpiece. I will talk about this on my next video but please consider making the cheekpiece walnut .
If I'm going to spend £1000+ on a gun then I expect to get the best from the manufacturer. I do not expect to get cheap plastic parts on an expensive investment.
Yes don't like cheek piece
On a cheaper gun plastic is fine but anything over a grand imo should never have any plastic parts.
Great show as always gents.
my 6 grand sako has a 'plastic' cheek piece, its how it goes.
Thanks guys and girl. Great to have you back.
Stock and furniture materials should be an option. If you want an Italian walnut stock with adjustable bells and whistles pay for it. 👍
I bought the 110 carbine and absolutely love it. Quality build excellent value. My 5th air rifle in 3 years. Defo the best and better than my £1200 rifle. Excellent show again gents
Couldn't agree more about the plastic cheekpiece putting customers off buying the rifle.
I'd rather pay a bit more to have a cheekpiece in timber.
Really enjoy your videos -thanks.I am more of a clay shooter but have always enjoyed airguns since my first webley jaguar 53 years ago.
In the shotgun world an adjustable cheek piece adds about £400 to the cost of the gun , the grain does match though!
Great to see you back, If you can afford spending £1000+ on a gun I would pay for a matching cheek piece.
Being old school, I tend to prefer wood to synthetic stocks, but agree completely with Lloyd about what one can realistically expect at a given price point. However, I'm not so bothered about parts, for example the Weihrauch synthetic breech. As Tony says, some of the advanced ballistic polymers are tougher than metal. What's most important is that it does the job. Interesting discussion, as always, guys. Good to see you back.
i actually really miss this show, come on guys bring it back! :)
I brought a kraal np 02 at the shooting show and I love it. Then I saw Tony on his stand never got the chance to say hello but he is a little fella and I could see how a grownup gun would be a problem. Ha ha
Plastic adjustable cheekpiece looks like crap on a nice gun, BUT the right hand only stocks on the previous R10s made the guns completely unshootable for a left handed shooter like me. So the plastic cheekpiece is the better of two bad options. A well made ambi stock would be preferable to both.
Aesthetics is high on everyone's list, if u don't tick the basic boxes you'll never end in profit
Plastic cheekpieces are acceptable on a budget air rifle but I would never pay over £1000 for any gun with plastic cheekpiece.
Plastic cheek pieces are gross and its wrong to charge premium price for a sub premium product
I'm not really a "Brand" fanatic I've owned the .22 BSA Mercury, the HW35 in both .22 & .177 & the Webley .22 Vulcan. These 4 Rifles have all served me well over the years & can't really say I'd put one over the others, I've thoroughly enjoyed owning them all.
I'm a time served cabinet maker and I knew the answer to the cheek piece question before it was asked !!
I also own my own manufacturing business!
Lloyd is 100% right !!!!!
Business is the customer at the end of the day and he and his staff are selling to the end user and the person that is spending the most amount of money that product is every likely to be worth. We only really touch 4 points of the gun, the cheek piece IS one both them !! AND it should look nice!!
Matching wood wood wood wood !!!!
Ive watched this Vid about 5 times. Each time i get more from it.... like seeing bits ive browsed over.... and the combination of Tony and Lloyd works better than the action on a hw100!. Tony knows and has probably forgotten more than most guys running gun companies. no near enough is good enough and Lloyd always comes up with consumer standpoint. bl@@dy marvelous!
If the new rten had a proper cheek piece I’d of been buying one
I hate how it is becoming normal for companies to ruin the look of a nice rifle with a plastic or soft touch cheek piece
I bet that if a manufacturer produced an all-polymer rifle (apart from the barrel) that was proven to outshoot anything else on the market for £1500, or more, it would sell.
Why? Because if you value the performance of a gun the materials used are secondary. Look at the world of sniper rifles, they are utilitarian and most look agricultural but what matters is that they deliver on performance.
My view of the Red Wolf is that it looks pretty and collectors will buy it. The fact that it shoots well is a bonus but I wouldn't buy it on looks. If Daystate were to read the first line of this post and act on it I'm sure they'd have a good seller but, being conservative, they might put it out under the Brocock brand.
Keep it up guys, I enjoy watching the show and the banter is first-rate.
ATB,
Neil Darlow
Excellent as always and you didn’t need to show any guns to make it interesting! I love Tony’s balance between manufacturer and trader, I think Lloyd he won that round over the reason for plastic cheek pieces. Keep it coming and I can’t wait to see the Brococks because I’m about to buy one but not not sure yet which one to have.
Great to see you both back !!!!
Plastic/synthetic cheek piece only acceptable on a sub £1K gun!
Bigboreairguns are really taking off here in the US. More states are making them legal to hunt with.
I have a HW110 and I love it. 👍😎 greetings from Oz.
Greetings Rob. Thanks for watching :)
Welcome back Guys... another fun watch
I love the HW 100s And have got the HW100 and the HW100 Bull pup👀 they are both accurate Shot on shot I love them and can’t say one wrong word about them they are ace 👍🏻😎👌🏻
If I wanted a plastic cheek piece I would get a water pistol.
your 16j airguns are more or less water pistols...
Quality not power.
In my opinion. What the stock is made out of doesn't matter. It's how the rifle performs. If it works and its made of lollipop sticks and chewing gum then so what.
hahahaha...or foam and tape....
Exactly. It could be attached to pringal tins. If it shoots pellet on pellet at 50 yards I'll buy it.
Airguns And Stuff Yorkshire I’d get zero enjoyment shooting a shit looking gun 😂
@@samsawyer2145 Agreed. Pride of ownership is important.
I couldn’t agree more accept the chewing gum gun😂 but yes i think I doesn’t matter because most company’s supply synthetic and wood versions and for wood it’s more expensive so it isn’t like you haven’t got the choice.
Another great show guys,some interesting comments about Plastic cheek pieces & the Weihrauch BP,i recently purchased a HW100kt Laminate, which of course has the adjustable cheek piece & is cut from the Laminate & matches accordingly,prior to my purchase i also looked at the AA U/S with walnut stock & that has what appears to be a plastic cheek piece, but in fact is soft touch finished wood, which to be honest looked a bit odd, however the mighty Weihrauch won the day
I really like the visual contrast of the black soft touch coated cheek piece on the walnut Air Arms Ultimate Sporter. I prefer that look over the black or laminate options. Interesting to hear the explanation of Minelli finding their way around production issues of matching grain.
I would love to have the opportunity to use the HW 100 BP. I don't need one but would probably buy one if the weight balance makes it as nice to handle in the field as some have said. But then, everywhere you turn there are desirable competing options like the FX Wildcat, and ..... and ........
I have five air rifles, two don't get much use. For me , the question of wether or not one can justify having them ( particularly top end pricey rifles ) just because they're so damned nice is always there.
It may take a little longer, but, i still seem to be able to talk myself round to buying stuff. Though i tend to keep a fairly close eye on the second hand market which helps rationalise the addiction. ....... lol !
I’d love a bull pup but it needs to be left handed as I don’t use my right eye
Glad you’re back guys keep up the good work 👍🏿
Agreed on the subject of tacky plastic cheekpieces on thousand plus pound guns. No way in hell will I part with that amount of cash for one. It`s bad enough with a laminate where the grain doesn`t match, let alone walnut or laminate wth soft touch or plain PLASTIC.
Glad you're back...keep up the great videos
Another excellent episode! Don't make us wait so long for the next one! And I would never buy a wood - stocked gun with a plastic cheek piece.
Will there ever be a buddy bottle HW, I can't be the only person waiting for this to happen.
seen a couple of conversions, awesome shot count.
My educated guess would be we won't see one form Weihrauch but no reason to have your gun converted. I've seen pics of Hw100's with bottles so it can be done :)
Ive converted mine with a Dr Bob valve and a 500cc carbon cylinder i LOVE it.
glad you're back guys!!
I have a none matching laminate cheek piece on my Hw100KT and still prefer it by a Blackpool mile to a plastic one!
I really like that Tony guy from daystate! He always looks like he is having the time of his life. Cheers!
Agreed
Seems like a really nice bloke and a proper champion for our sport. Love the show also.
Hi All speaking of the Daystate Red Wolf, I ordered one from my local dealer and decided to cancel it after 4 months of waiting and got the FX Crown instead. I've always loved the Daystate rifles I've owned or used but I'm not sure I'll try again even though I really want the Red Wolf..
Tony Hassan
I had same problem, ordered Wolverine r no show after three months. Ordered a Crown and was shooting it in less than a week.
Folk say buy british and local I only live three miles from Daystate bet if you fly to the states and purchase one you could be back home and using it in less than a week. Saying this I do love my Huntsman regale.
I've had my issues with Daystate but I can hold my hands up and say that things have changed reliability wise. Delivery is still hit and miss but they are working on that too. Don't write them off, I didn't and now feel like I made the right decision.
I had a go with the new Umarex bull pup which for the price is fantastic and shots great, very light and about £800.
You are spot on Lloyd there are a lot that look forward to a good chit chat video just about air guns, its like a good session down the pub. a video of tony talking about all things airgun I watched when he visited a club near Nottingham was a real page turner so to speak and was so fascinating he covered everything. so you crack on with the chat as its the main aspect of what Hot Air is about. always look forward to this show. on another note, if you are paying big bucks for an air rifle you should expect a matching cheek piece, it should be factored in the price and if that means re jigging the CNC machine that makes the stocks then so be it, we have already paid for it with the price of some of these guns !
The question is do you really need a cheek piece? 5 of my guns don't have it and 1 does but I never use it.
thank god you are back good show keep it up eddie
This is a must channel for airgun news. Greatly appreciated/ Any news fro, Taipan Airguns? Haven't seen them in any gun shows lately.
Do you mean this gun : www.balistas.com/air-rifles/taipan-air-rifles/taipan-veteran-55mm/
I watch folk like you two and I read and listen before purchasing. Having purchased Weihrauch FX and Daystate products over the last two years it was down to there looks and there quality with out both I would not enjoy them as much.
The only problem you have with top end products is finding them you have to put the miles in to get them. The times I have been told sorry we can order you one but the delivery time will be considerable. I would love to be loyal to my local dealer!
I have noticed recently that you don't loose as much money on air rifles than leaving it in the building society it's also much more fun.
keith mepham always made wooden cheek pieces of his bullpup conversions, i owned one for a while and it was very well done, although "plastic" is warmer in winter...
I had a plastic stocked gun and it was bloody freezing in winter. Simon Moore from BSA has just put me straight about the R10 cheekpiece. Its soft touch covered wood so will probably be a lot nice in Winter than true plastic. Maybe we need heated cheekpieces?
had a few different synthetic or covered stocks the synthetic have always been warmer to me the covered stocks still seem to carry the cold that wood does to me :) maybe a down covered one lol..
I remember when I spent £1000 on a Daystate Air Ranger from The Airgun Centre - A Daystate the safety mechanism didn't work. on - Great QC from Daystate, and didn't think much to The Airgun Centres 'fully tested certificated quality rifle' guarantee neither! 🙄
About saw out a cheek rest and find the right wood for cheek piece , I have an idea !! After cnc finishing band saw out the cheek piece.
I know it will not fit ,but bring some inlay between the stock and the cheek rest!!!!! It can be anything ; wood in different colors,
polymer in some colors like Weihrauch does in white, or polished aluminum, gold, titan... !!! Come on lazy industry .Be creative! People buy it when it is good and nice to see at !!!! If I had a bit of money I ´ll buy some machines and do it by my self!!!!!
As always guys, great video and things I can think of ! Thanks
Why don't the Government make two separates F.A.C. 1 for BULLET and 1for AIR GUNS
Cost probably
All the gun makers are jumping on the money wagon not just the big gun makers, look at the SMK P15 £300 gun now you cant even get a second hand one for under £450 mad
where's the other half of the show? waiting patiently here lol :D great watch as always thanks guys
Uploading today :)
I wouldn't buy one with a plastic cheek piece.So I think it will back fire.Loss of sales spring to mind 🤔.
How long is that brew.
As someone who actually REALLY looks forward to your Shows, bring on part two.
Lloyd, did your illness involving you losing your voice, poor Tony hardly got a word in, so I will point a question his way, as seen at shot show USA, will the Bantam "mini" ( two inch shorter?) be available in the UK ( FAC ) and if so , and yous don't cover it in "part Two" can you fill in the Blanks,
thanks Gents , worth the wait.
Hi Henry, yes it’s coming to the uk, in 12 FPE and FAC
@@TonyBelas thank you , it is on the short list.
I`m all for having an anesthetic stock, It`s proving slowly to be the Better option , Hands, the feel, the Warmth on the cheeks, easier to keep clean, and Way lighter in weight !! I have an HW110 , Accurate, and Lighter than the 100 !! It`s Fantastic > Great Show guys > Thank You !!
Plz do a full special on the pulsar
Hw need to make an exact hw75 with a multy pump up to 6fb. They will sell. Just my opinion. And off topic. Soz
Well done guys - looking forward to next part
Lol, I look forward to it! 😂 that lady needs some culture 😜
Great show as always!
Did you lads never consider a review of the Seneca Aspen multi-pump PCP rifle?
Not available in the UK that I can find so I can't even get to see one :(
@@blackpoolairrifles9311 That gun, in my opinion, would be the ultimate 'prepper's' rifle. No more stupid gas tanks to lug around. I'd have liked to see you lads test it over a period of time, because I've heard a few complaints about the pump mechanism failing. I'm looking at the Gamo Maxxim Elite Multishot .22 (Gen 2 - low profile magazine) as a possible alternative to the Seneca Aspen.
Here's something you might enjoy watching, mate. It's a bloke in the USA who created his own type of 'Seneca Aspen', but he could never get any investors to show faith in his design, which is a real pity. I think it's fantastic, it's called the Freedom 700: th-cam.com/video/diIax8FKkPc/w-d-xo.html
@@wolfenstein6676 I will take a look at the video now . Thanks bud.
THe New Weihrauch Bullpup is a disappointment as far as I am concerned. For years on the Owners Forum there has been calling for a New Bullpup from Weihrauch and a HW100 with a Bullpup stock and a trigger link if thats how they have done it is falling very short of the New Gun we have wanted to see. I don't doubt it will be an Very accurate becuase it's a tried and tested platform it using. It just seems like they make one version and now they bring a new airgun use the same parts. HW100 then the HW44, now the HW100 giving us the HW100BP. The later at more expense with a new stock and trigger link. I'll not be buying one, and I was after a Weihrauch Bullpup for years.
They all do it, BSA, Air Arms, Daystate etc same gun (little or no changes) and put a new stock on and call it a NEW gun. BSA especially are guilty of this only now they use side levers, they have all gone the HW way with that one, but the BSA is still the same gun from when they brought out the ultra from years ago. and Air Arms and all the others, its a bit like the combustion engine, the original concept is still the norm.
Do either of you know if umarex will be releasing the synergy multi shot underlever in the UK. It debuted at shot show
I don't like plastic at all and I'm happy to pay more NOT to have it there.
Phew thanks guys, looking forward to the next, don't leave it so long next time, great chemistry between you guys. p.s. how much for the beanies, we'll take some for the club lol.
Nobody in their right mind would wear one ;) You'll see why , I'm wearing it in the next episode .
Personally, I like the look of a synth cheek piece MUCH more than a mismatch one. I've seen some Red Wolf stocks that I thought were bloody horrid because it was painfully obvious that the cheek piece didn't REMOTELY match the stock grain. I think it's insane personally to ask anyone to pay that type of cash for a sub par product. I wouldn't own a laminate stock that wasn't cut from the same blank.
Good point . I'm personally still not convinced that we can't have our cake and eat it , especially if the cake costs a grand ;)
thanks for the vid guys
There are 2 mainstreams in Airgunning IMO - The "Must Have The Latest Brigade" & then (Like me) the 40 year old Springer merchants. Being a tight fisted Yorkshireman - Free Air is good!! & my 40+ yo, .22 Webley Vulcan is as good as ever.
High end products need to be made of metal/ wood .
Cheaper products can be made from a mix of materials so long as it's decent enough quality to take the stress.
Please Do a video on Single stroke rifles.
You do go on n on Mrs Doyle,lol
I don't think there is any thing wrong with a plastic cheek piece as long as it matches the rest of the gun whether it 's £400 or £ 2000. If it affects your shooting ability i.e if it moves while your shooting then its no good.
I do.....look forward to these episodes.
I appreciate the work that would go in to a matched section for a raised cheek piece but even if companies brought out an option with, say, a £150 difference for plastic vs matched piece, people would then moan about the cost.
Ya gotta moan about something.
Personally I like the black on the R10.
It’s functional and comfortable.
I noticed Diana and Hatson did not go to the BSS and I don't think there going to the NSS they must think the UK market is not worth bothering with anymore.
@Peter Johnson You are right, Edgars just don't seem to take airguns seriously, they are a tiny part of their business. Diana really need to sort their pricing out and find a more airgun friendly distributor . I have to say their gas ram break barrels are fantastic so they have potential .
Missed you guys!
Kudos on insisting on production (opposed to pre-production) guns.
The new Air Arms s510 XS Ultimate Sporter, an otherwise beautiful gun, has a synthetic cheekpiece and it will probably be the reason why I will pass on it. It is really off putting to me as is the weird charge port, safety.
I think it's awesome that Lloyd pointed out that Daystate HAD quality issues, but I would also love to hear from Tony what Daystate (and Brocock) have observed and done to address the problems.
Same here for the 501XS . Cracking gun but I personally wouldn't buy one either, and yet I own an RTI Priest which is all metal . I think its the mixing of the two substances that's just wrong. I will speak to Tony about your question about Brocock and Daystate :)
Lloyd, you don't put remoulds on a rolls royce
I think it's all a matter of Personal taste! , but if I wanted or could only afford a plastic stocked gun that's what I would buy , If i wanted a wood stock and could afford it I'd buy one .What I'd really like a grade 5 Walnut Daystate Huntsman HR with a dark Titanium air cylinder and a never ending supply of pellets and a compressor & similarly set up Brockock Super Six ! but We all have dreams , I just haven't won Euro Millions Yet !
Hello Sir´s . What you talk about at 5:00 I actually asked Weihrauch too. And why they do not put a gas ram into they most popular models !? The answer was; No, We have our production line and one gas ram gun ( HW 90) is enough !! I think thats not smart , because all springers from Weihrauch sound and feel much harder then a AirArms springer ( best air guns) even a Walther LGV/LGU shoot´s much smoother !!!
The Hw90 is a terrible seller, I think the better proposition would be to lubricate the springers better before they leave the factory.
Well boys, for a £1,000+ Gun, I'd be wanting a nice bit of Walnut!! Plastic, Ballistic Polymer (Call it what you will) Doesn't, for me stack up for that kind of Dough!!
Can't wait for part 2
All I can tell you guys is airgun stop over here in the United States is not going well at all I mean I understand that you guys have a Vance & airguns of Arizona but that's pretty much about that about it and then maybe one in Utah but as far as the whole United States most people don't even know what a airgun is they still look at one like one of the older hand pump 10 Palms BB gun they don't even have a clue over here what cut really what kind of airguns you guys have and how well-made they are you know over here you can go out and spend $100 and buy a 22 caliber single-shot rifle and do all the small game hunting you want with it most people aren't going to spend thousands of dollars on a airgun when they can get up a 22 rifle or even a semi-automatic for a hundred bucks in 22 caliber but I like to use them and I have a small collection just because I think they are guns are fun to shoot I've got a daystate huntsman Regal I've got a couple FX Wildcats and I've got a couple Benjamin Marauder that I started out with but I think the areas where I small game hunt I could hunt them for years and never run into another person with a airgun in the woods But Me
Brilliant lads 👍
Did I miss the results of the name the silencer competition?
No sorry. I have asked the owner of the company to choose but I have been ill for a while so not had chance to speak to him . It will be announced :)
Kinda like the new AA ultimate sporter with the black cheek piece , didnt at first , but its grown on me , nonetheless an upholster would cover it in whatever tickles yer fancy ..
Love the airgun chitchat , beats the s**t out of coronation street and all the other drivel we see on the telly these days ... NOW LISTEN
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WHO WON THE " NAME THE SILENCER " COMPETITION ????? jesus , its like waiting for hell too freeze over ...
On a high end gun I'd rather pay the difference in manufacturing cost to have a matching cheek piece. It's not the right area to try to save costs because of the visual impact it has. Get your process engineer to figure out how to save the cheek piece that you're throwing away. Just my $.02
Taso 1000 spoke to Michele Carnazzi from Minelli at the IWA show and it’s apparently more to do with the size of the wood blanks, there isn’t enough depth to the blanks on many air gun stock shapes to make it any other way. I have told him how much it’s not liked and he will look into it. To be fair, not everyone sees it as a problem, but it’s one of those things that its either easy to say ‘for....it should be perfect’ Or it one of those things that once you notice it, you can’t stop looking at it. Can’t say it bothers me on a laminate.
@@TonyBelas
Mr. Belas, I appreciate your reply. Thank you.
Where there's a will and a market they will find a way. ;-)
Rapid Air Weapons and other custom manufactures get the bigger blanks and separate the cheek piece with a band saw as you mentioned in the video.
I also agree that most don't see it as a big deal, function over form, but it would be cool if it were an option for those that want it. Maybe as an after sale trade up option?
Thank you.
Taso
a cheekpiece made of wood has more class then a plastic one. on an expensive rifle you may expect some class. on a cheap rifle it's ok to have a plastic one because héy..... you've got an ajustable cheekpiece!!!
A BSA airsporter cost around £100 to £120 in 1962 ,that would be around £2500 now????
I found a UK inflation calculator and £100 is now £2215 so your estimate looks about right. Not sure I'd pay that for an airsporter though ;)
@@hotair4269 HaHaha what meant to say is that prices are roughly still the same as back then if you think about it,great show guys .
The Airsporter my late dad bought me new in 1979 was £53, so there is something very odd about your price for 1962.
Hey fellas not scene you for a bit, Lloyd Have you been away with bear gryls ? By the looks of the beard you have spent some time in the wild lol great to see you back fellas!!!!!!
I'm getting the feeling I better start looking in a mirror occasionally. I'll have it all shopped off fopr summer :)
i am OK on a synthetic cheek-piece.
Not my cup of tea, looks like they’ve got a standard HW100K dragged the scope rail forward and stuck it in a plastic stock! Weihrauch last to the party and rushed it to get sales. Still love the brand but could have done better
that jumper on Tony looks like he's a trecky
its tamaric yellow, dontchaknow. the lights made it luminous ...and i come in peace
@@TonyBelas Resistance is futile!
I didn't know the 110 wasn't selling. I thought it was the opposite. Sad that. :(
I'm only speaking from my experience. Sales have been very slow, the Hw100 outsells it by a long way .
@@hotair4269 OK. If you look at the prices there isn't much of a difference really is there? If you are going to stump £750 for a new 110 you could probably find the extra £100 or so for a new 100 and as you mentioned that's before secondhand is taken into account. I liked it when I tried it. Just seemed a bit small for me.
No if it’s a wood stock then it should be a wood cheek piece. Plastic stock plastic cheek piece. Personally I would rather have the hw110 to the hw100. And I want a hat.
Hot air hat!!!!!!!!! i want one ,gimme !!!!!!!
Worn in the next episode, that will completely put you off ;)
Some of the prices for PCP are to high and that is the problems trying to get new blood in the sport especially converting guys from the power burning sport, especially when you can purchase a target grade cz 455 .22l for 400 dollars or a Savage .308 for around the same amount and on and on and some guys don't know that PCPs EXIST , and the other is the air gun manufactures that will not give a firearm dealers a chance to purchase a few samples to bring in the store,they want you to purchase a minimum, and some dealers are not ready for that, in the US all my PCP purchases is done by mail order there are no firearms dealers in the area that carries any products there are only 3 popular places 1 PA, 2 AOA, 3 AIR GUN D. and i am in a city of 3 million, i think the PCP market in the US could be much better, and i think there is a monopoly here in the states with airguns imports. I can keep writhing but that is enough. LOVE YOUR SHOW KEEP ON DOING IT.
America is in the fledgling stage with PCPs at the moment, but when it grows and the word is out that the people want to purchase these guns in their thousands, the gun shops will get on board for their slice of the pie, it was the same here in the UK with all airguns, here a lot of fire arms outlets sell airguns and are happy for the custom. the problem you have in America is fire arms outlets are like funeral directors, they are always there so its going to be hard for the airgun manufacturers to convince them to sell their gear.
If there is ever a red wolf b.p Omg yes please
No , it should be made in one piece and then band sawn .
If you dont do it right dont do it at all!
I agree - don’t has an apostrophe :)
Come on Llloyd! How many times do you need to be told the R10 TH DOES NOT HAVE A PLASTIC CHEEK PIECE! It's Walnut, covered in Black Soft Touch covering for ergonomics.
Looks like more than I should need Simon. My apologies for saying plastic but in my defence, I saw the BSA Ultra Xl and thought it was plastic and I thought the R10 had the same cheekpiece. I will talk about this on my next video but please consider making the cheekpiece walnut .
Long tea break lol
It was a pint mug ;)
Yes Lloyd hats for sale...... .
You on glue ?
@@hotair4269 No...... Are you
@@ncb2734 No, but I have to admit I don't think I'd wear it outside the studio :)
Was going to post telling people how far through the waffle finished but it never did.