Classical music CDs in my view are good to excellent. So much wonderful classical music has been recorded and recently released in the CD format at reasonable prices. I agree that with a high quality CD/SACD player and DAC that may play or upload to DSD, in my opinion the CD is the most user friendly medium for musical enjoyment. Most popular music is badly mastered with compression and distortion that on a high quality music system sounds not so good as the vast majority of consumers own rather inexpensive playback systems and/who for the most part are not interested or cannot afford audiophile sound reproduction.
A lot of people are saying this and the reason why is because in Classical music, you do not compress as much. Full dynamics are required and preserved, plus the chain is just more accurate than pop and rock (sadly). Jazz is in the middle, but a little more towards the classical sphere.
@@anadialog Full frequency cd length were based of classical beethoven last symphony 74 minutes and its full range yes? As long as engineer wasn't a loudness war label yes man, masters to copies could sound great on cd and vinyl I engineer at 92khz 24 bit master then copy to 44khz 16 bit cd 💿 and in car or home that 1978 format can't be beat imo I love analog vinyl too but much cheaper sell cds
*William Pearson's* comment is absolutely spot-on: it reflects my thoughts exactly that came to mind while watching this video. Classical music CDs often sound amazing, especially pieces of music for solo instruments, where you have an overwhelming feeling of realism, as if the musician and instrument were right there in the room.
used to think the same that badly overly compressed mastered music sound bad until i heard it in a really good sound system then it really sounded nice with almost no noticeable distortion then i realize my system was crap even though I put a lot of time tinkering by ear the only things that sounded good was music that has not been compressed so yeah most people will never understand this unless you have a good DAC and even then its hard to say if it sound correct if you don't have a clue what good sound is.
@@newdeep19 - Can you - or anyone else here - tell us about a very overly compressed recording of some music we're all very likely to be familiar with? Title of the song - and from which album? So what is the difference like? Maybe like hearing a very cheap version MP3 file? And is the difference great enough that we could even hear it on a fairly good car stereo system? Or only hear it with a killer set of loudspeakers inside your house?
Physical medium. No DRM. No noise. No wear. No distortion of any type if mastered correctly, needle won't jump out of the groove if the bass is too high. Even the best Vinyl gets a bit screwy as you get nearer the spindle and the sound is compressed. Everything you said basically - But you said it better and added more!
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Needle never jumped a groove from over modulated cut on me after 15k hours in the dj booth. 20 years. Vinyl is better, still is. Always was. Even DSD512 doesn't sound as good. Millenials know this, old vinyl sounds warmer (their word for the harmonic richness that digital strips out) to them after hearing only ripped streams all of their lives. But I know the subject extremely well. Your position that measurements are everything is a religious belief.
There is the big elephant in the room though: Convenience. I could never go back to the old clumsy way of loading a CD just to hear one or two songs from it, the rest being usually garbage.
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Exactly, I started buying CDs in 1986 and those still sound amazing, not any sound loss whatsoever. Basically, CDs if cared for properly are bound to last at minimum 50 to 100 years according to experts! I really doubt that vinyl will even approach such numbers in terms of longevity.
Loudness war is why I collect old pressings from the 80s. Columbia, Polydor, Island, Warner and Vertigo are some of the labels that had great sounding CDs.
@@lionheartroar3104 It's true. Everytime I want to make myself a Madonna compilation on CD, I always prefer to use the album versions of her early albums released on CD in the 80's. Because when you listen to her latest double-CD compilation "Celebration" released on 2009, the sound is very powerful yes, but in comparision everything else sounds ridiculously weak sounding because it's not the old CDs that are weak sounding it's this 2009 compilation that is absurdly boosted with bass and drums so loud that it hurts your ears when you listen to it with headphones. So even if her early albums are not loud, I can always adjust the volume to those tracks, that's all I have to do and it's very easy but softwares like the shareware Goldwave these days. But with tracks on recent compilations, you've got a powerful sound, yes but a truthful and reasonably good sound, definitely NO ! Same goes for the Depeche Mode album "Music For The Masses" re-release where the track 9 "Nothing" hurts your ears as well when you listen to it with headphones. I'll always prefer to listen to the original 1987 CD release and boost it's volume with a software than to listen to it's re-release over-saturated sound ! At least that way all the treble is there. It's not obliterated by the bass and drums.
It's not just a label or year of production, you have to go on a case by case basis to find the best version of a CD. Some imports for example might be from a different master and not over compressed. However, I start with the oldest UPC code I can find. The older CDs might need some work if you do your own remasters like I do but at least they are not clipped or have all the dynamics squished out of them. Van Halen was the best example I found. The new CDs are trashed but the older CDs (even with low levels of gain) still contain all the dynamic range and can still be saved after you get them ripped to digital.
@@harrybergmans746 My old LP fallen to floor and by the way contacted with sharp metal - scratch is visible from 2 meters. And no any crack in listening - it is only surface damage. If scratch is done by cartridge it makes of course harm but only to place of damage. I cant imagine CD playable at all with such crack.. Purchased 1st Mahler Symphony Titan on LP - mostly silent music - LP made in 60ties. at begining all dirty LP almost only cracked. Now after accurate cleaning it sounds like new - it works.
But CD is generally less convenient, less durable and more expensive than streaming. However, it is less expensive than vinyl and more compact, is cheap to get great sound from and provides for the collector in us, and is a more tactile experience than streaming. A pure CD-based system is actually a pretty good idea. However, I’m highly invested in my two sources for vinyl and streaming so it’s time has passed for me.
@@sensational_cellar8606 for audiophiles the CD was the last format that came with "active" listening. You had the physical cover art and liner notes to appreciate. We can sit here and discuss the sound quality and durability til our faces turn blue but the nostalgia of how we listened to cd music is a major factor in its resurgence. Not to mention actually owning that piece of music forever (well, almost)
I remember when my wife surprised me with a CD player for my birthday in 1985. She also bought 4 CDs which were harder to come by than players. I sold as many of my vinyl records as I possibly could just to buy more CDs. I never looked back. Weird thing is that my son is really into vinyl.
Not weird at all. I still have all my vinyl (and a lot of vinyl from friends and relatives who - just like you - got rid of them when going to CD) and enjoy it, a lot. Lots of very good remastered re-issues nowadays and lots of new music on high quality vinyl as well. And I also have a lot of CD - and I am still buying. And don't rule out really good Minidisc recorders. I use a Tascam MD350 and the recordings sound great - still my personal audio go to.
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CD has sooo much potential!!! All my CDs. Are 24 bit mastered. Dumbed down to 16 bit red book standard. The classical cds have super wide dynamic range. Whisper quiet to full roar. When CD is mastered correctly it sounds unbelievable
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Well mastered vinyl can also have good dynamic range. It's just that the vinyl and stylus medium is not capable of producing all the dynamic range that was recorded!
i stell use cds cause it very rare to found Cassettes and plus i dont have a record player and the vinys are very expensive plus i like using it on a movie player
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I'm glad that you covered this topic. I've heard some really stunning, true to life CDs as well as quite a few which were disappointing. Now that used CDs are plentiful and inexpensive, this is a good time to build a collection. In quite a few genres, major record companies are issuing huge box set anthologies of an artist's recordings at rather low prices. This is a way to keep the remaining CD pressing plants in operation, and also (to be honest) a method for maintaining copyright protection if governments make another series of copyright term extensions (in the US, pre-1972 recordings are in such a category, although it's complicated and hard to explain). I cannot tell you how many hours of listening I've gotten from Sony's 60-disc Leonard Bernstein Symphony Edition or the 144-disc Arthur Rubinstein Complete Recordings box set, the Bernstein box with very good sound quality and the Rubinstein box set featuring astonishingly good remastering of old recordings with a few actually pressed using JVC's XRCD masters.
I've seen others comment positively on classical music CDs. That is because for that genre there is particularl attention, hence a good recording and mastering.
The CD's that sound the best to me are usually the first pressing where they just transfer the master directly and don't remix or remaster it too much.
Not so true. Some mediocre, pop top ten, releases yes, but the majority is less compressed than CDs and digital audio in general. It is intrinsec in the vinyl mastering. Plus we have a lot of reissues based on analog sources, yes, mostly processes in digital but not compressed as in purely digital audio. The paradox is in fact that we have more dynamic vinyl than digital formats.
@@anadialog It's kind of sad, because CDs have more dynamic range than vinyl. CDs were being held back by vinyl. And when vinyl finally died the first time, we were into the loudness wars already. We had the change to finally use CDs to their fullest potential, and no one ever did. If the loudness wars had never happened, the 2000s could have been an era of music of unrivaled quality released on compact disc. Bun instead we got crap like Metallica's Death Magnetic.
I agree. Among them there are so many excellent classical music labels such as Archiv, Deutsche Grammophon, PHILIPS, Harmonia Mundi, DHM (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi), DECCA, EMI, RCA, TELDEC, Alpha, and some others that their CDs sound absolutely fantastic. Against there are many many classical LPs, specifically LPs before 1980 that sounds bad or in some cases so bad! I think classical music is better or should be listen on CD. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
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in CD's youth, the sound was heavily criticized. the testers criticized the cold treble and the flatness of the sound. Ten years later, the cheapest CD player from a famous company could sound better than their most expensive CD player in 1982.
I account it to progress in modelling of the sound of speakers. Which are made deliberately to shine with digital players but show deep weaknesses with "normal" analog
Hello from New Zealand! Great video. I have definitely returned to CDs over the last couple of years. As the cost and ease of use just make listening more enjoyable. It's hard to relax and really listen when you have just spent 20 minutes getting frustrated with setting up your turntable. Not to mention, stewing over the 40 -70 dollars you just blew on a new piece of vinyl. I think for many collectors it is very hard to reconcile that they may have wasted thousands of dollars on vinyl when they could have supplemented their collections with compact discs (I collect both but I am very picky about the vinyl I now spend my money on). I have collected many great CDs from the op shop for 50 cents! This has allowed me to find better CD versions of titles I already own. For example, I found a Japanese pressing of London Calling which is far superior to the 2014 remaster I own. Or, an early Pitman pressing of Ten. I am noticing an end to vinyl snobbery and a return to the humble CD.
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I still enjoy collecting CDs (preowned ones) and in my experience, CDs manufactured up to about 1993 were usually well mastered with no loudness compression, came in very sturdy black jewel cases and overall feel like premium products, particularly since the quality of vinyl records was declining in the late 1980s. Around 1994, most new releases (with the exception of classical releases) began to use brickwall compression and there was also a general decline in the packaging quality around the same time. Older CDs are in my opinion better than vinyl - they were typically mastered near identically and are free of all the surface noise associated with traditional records - in other words, they are capable of sounding like a mint condition vinyl record played on a high end turntable for the first time. I think the argument that vinyl is better came about mostly because of the declining quality of CD masters, which have since the mid 1990s tended to emphasise loudness over fidelity. When buying a old release used on CD, I will try where possible to buy an original 1980s/early 1990s CD rather than a post-mid 1990s remaster of the same recording. The difference in clarity between an old 1980s mastered CD and a typical modern CD with brickwall compression is particularly noticeable on an old CD player designed for an era when brickwalled audio was not really a thing.
Agree 100%. I love vinyl but we must reconize that Cd is the best option right now if you’d like to have fisical records and enjoy quality in your reproduction. Moreover, with offers available right now for cd box set you may buy 10 cd with the cost of 1 single vinyl...
CD is time saving format. But if one has high requirements it starts to be very expensive system with all that cabling, filtering separation of units and costly DACs , bit rates required which makes system puzzling and source of conflicting opinions. .
@@rustymixer2886 Same thing. . I am wondering why CD in box is so bulky - ,more even than hundreds meters of magnetic tape and it's transport in cassette .Probably it's due to quick access to each bit.
My friend has had records for 60 years and he disagrees. The one he brought up is that he bought Night In Tunisia by Art Blakey when it came out in the early 60's and played it 5 times a week for months when it came out. Then slightly less after that but he still played it regularly. He estimates he played it over 500-600 times and there is very little to no sound degradation. The whole "you can only play it so many times" is a myth and only is true when you use a bad needle
@@Budd1234 Yep. If you use a good needle and take care of your LPs/EPs/singles they will live forever. I’m curious if the original commenter actually experienced that ‚serious wear‘ on one of his records. I must have played my first LP bought in 1987 to death on a cheap turntable and it still plays fine. Let’s wait for the first CDs to become unplayable though because their data is lost. I’m not sure if my first CDs bought in 1987 will still play in 30 years. So far though they still play fine too.
8-track and reel to reel, baby. The '70s rocked. Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Yes, Heart, Rush, Crosby Stills and Nash, Queen, Leonard Skinner, disco, punk, etc.
I bought a Technics SLP-200 in July 1988 and the first CD I ever bought was Love Over Gold by Dire Straits along with Queen Greatest Hits all in the same day. I was broke but happy! I’ve three full size players now, a Sony, Pioneer and Technics SL-P500 and I advise people to buy players to have as back up.
👍 to Telarc. I've had some Erich Kunzel soundtrack compilations that just sound wonderful. I think they're defunct now (or called Concord Music or something), but they absolutely didn't use compression in their recordings, or gates or anything else like that. They just focused on good mics, good placement of mics, good mixing boards, interconnecting cables, recorders, and on and on, and in the liner booklet they'd tell you exactly what was used. Mostly a classical label, they were to music production what Criterion is to films released on blu-ray and now streaming. Top quality.
Compact Disc has stood the test of time. It's been around for almost four decades. No other physical-digital medium has beaten it (though they were superior to CD by specs). The down-sides you list are not CD's fault.
@@johnholmes912 For me, not. Compact disc is still the go-to format when I'm to buy a new album. I know my CDs will play and sound the same in 10-20 years from now, which I cannot promise for tapes and LPs.
@@johnholmes912 "vinyl and tape have both beaten it" No, they haven't. Reel to reel tape is the best analogue format, better than cassette, better than 8 track and better than records. Also, those records, mastered from the master as CDs.
The "record" in it's various iterations, has been around for over 130 years, beats CD's hands down in terms of longevity. What I don't like about CD's is the vulnerability of the medium. Ever heard of CD rot? I have 78RPM shellac discs that are over 100 years old, and I can still play them. Quite a few CD's I bought back in the 80's do not play any more. The underside disc surface has gotten cloudy and spotty. With digital files, it is all or nothing. You can have a crack in a record, but it's still playable. A chunk of the record may have broken off, but you can still play the remainder of the undamaged disc. Not so with CD's. Now for sound quality, nothing beats digital when properly mastered and produced from either original master tapes or more recent fully digital recordings..
Albums recorded in 1971 & before, were all recorded 100% with tube Analog recorders. Everything recorded in 1972 & after was recorded with digital transistors. All cds are recorded with digital transistors. The 1971 & before cds are partly vinyl recordings & part digital. Yes, older recordings on cds are part vinyl recordings. Some people discuss that cd is better than viyl, some cds are part vinyl. I would rather have 1971 & before recordings on cds, than new cds. I would rather have older recordings on cds , than 1972 & after transistor digital recordings on vinyl. There are still some people who record their new vinyl & cds with more expensive tube analod tape, like Kings Of Leon, & a few others. Most people like analog tube guitar amps, over digital transistor guitar amps. Most of todays digital cds have bands playing with analog tube amps, so most cds arent 100% digital. Many people like tube amps, or tube volume control on a transitor amp. Early seventies Sony & Pioneer had better hand wired with better parts transistor amps than today's integrated circuit amps that have to much wiring.
I love vinyl and Digital music. The loudness wars were the bane of digital music. It's much harder to run a lacquer cutting head at OdB continuously than pushing up the digital levels. CDs are going to rebound just like vinyl did.
It's just the right combination of sound quality/fidelity (which is pretty excellent. Not mind blowing, but still excellent), cost of medium and cost of equipment. A decent CD player can be had for not a lot of money and provided that the speakers/amp (whether separate or built in) and/or headphones are adequate, it can be the best sounding piece of kit in that particular price range. The CDs themselves also cost pennies to produce, whether they be commercially pressed or blank media for home recording. Of course spending more gets you more, but going just on a price/performance ratio CD is hard to beat. Not to mention all the additional hassle and cost of tape deck/turntable maintenance that just isn't a thing with CDs.
CDs give you so good sound so easily that some people literally get bored and go back to vinyl. I don’t blame them either, vinyl is fun but you can’t deny the absolute menace of quality the CD has
@Jingle Nuts In many cases the mastering engineers don't care, because those who make the music don't care. A lot of music out there isn't created for the soul, but for the money. And since those who listens to that kind of stuff for the most don't care about quality, and play it on cheap systems, then why bother? It's a question about getting it smacked together fast, so the cash can start rollin' in.
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How about thousands for a mediocre dac for cds, or files that getl lost that dont sound as good as cd, or sacds, or dsd streaming. Or files that you buy that gets lost. At least vinyl is cheap on ebat used. How about copying youtube free vinyl files to WAV that dont wear out like vinyl. So people think free isnt worth doing..
I totally agree with everything you say, the great labels , the production levels, Telarc, Blue Note etc etc. I just picked up the two Pawn Shop Jazz cds for a buck each. Totally incredible sound, you are so right. A year ago I found an Arcam 7SE deck after reading about how good they are. Man, I am not disappointed! Everything I listen too is fresh again.
Thank you. Semi pro mixing / mastering guy here. I can't even explain to my children anymore that mastering at CD standards outperforms their spotify streams by miles. I have never discarded my cd collection - keep it for times when decent DAC units re-emerge. Until then I mix and master at 24 bit in 44100 Hz for WAV or 48000 Hz lossless FLAC. By experience i now know that youtube audio can beat shitty streaming platforms
Great overview, I have rediscovered vinyl but have thousands of CDs and many of these are really excellent and significantly more affordable and available than vinyl. There is room for both formats. I have a Denon set up which plays both vinyl and CDs well. I am a big fan of Japanese pressing for both vinyl and CD.
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I have Japanese vinyl which is awesome but I didn't realise that Japanese CD's are a "thing." I'll need to check it out as the humble Compact Disc is my favourite format.
I like CD's. Always have. Been easier in the 80's to have a party and keep the music going as opposed to vinyl record stacker slamming down the records. CD's were great in the car too. I still listen to my CD's on my ol NAD CD recorder (C-660). Vinyl is more engaging to be sure, but the listening time is so short compared to compact discs.
Yes what you just mentioned above is the huge problem with cds. That's the reason one has to go hunting for a decent recording that should have been done in the first place. Great job keep it up.
Guido, that title almost made me fall out of my chair! Seriously, though, this is, I think, one of your best videos. And not just because I agree with nearly every word of it! Early CD players were partly to blame for audiophiles being slow to accept CD's. All the first-generation players had analog reconstruction filters and no oversampling, so they produced phase errors and ripples in the frequency response throughout the top two octaves. And Philips didn't make things any better when for years their CD players used 14-bit DAC's, simply ignoring the two least-significant bits and quadrupling distortion. And many of the first CD reissues of analog albums were mistakenly made from the vinyl-mastered tapes meant for making LP's, not the original two-track tapes that had not been mastered for vinyl. I'd like to add one more source of bad CD sound: bad pressings. Like vinyl, CD's suffer from bad pressings. I have had a number of new CD's that look perfect but will not rip to WAV's on my computer because they cannot be read perfectly. The software I use will not accept any sample that did not read perfectly; it doesn't do error concealment. And it will read the same data over and over until it either reads the data correctly or eventually times out and gives up. Bad pressings are to blame for this. CD players will play these disks because they use both error correction and error concealment, but the latter function only estimates the values of the missing bytes of data, and so the sound suffers. Great video. Maybe mine will be half as good eventually.
I have been saying for a bit now that I think CDs will make a come back. With HDD being as cheap as they are, and CDs being as cheap as they are it is one hell of a match. A 1tb drive for 100 bucks can hold 25k songs.
@Jingle Nuts Yea I hear ya I think I read the 25k was 300 something bitrate mp3 and that was higher than most streaming so I based it off of that. Your file quality might vary so to say. But yea we are on the same page. You get it. Back when CDs came out that kind of HDD space was on heard of. Make your own steaming service for you and your friends and family. 2 dollar CDs on ebay.
@Jingle Nuts Thats just that. I am not trying to use CDs for the highest fidelity. Well not most of the time any way. I mean if I come across a MOFI or something. I think they fit into a more casual setting. More of a custom streaming library you control. With stuff you own and collect. I mean really we all like collection shit.
TLARC: Yes, my favorite. They recorded audio in full digital processes. Back in early 1990's the seperate DAC + transporter is very rare and very expensive too. Examples: Sony CDP-R1 + DAS-R1. Anyway I dit cheaply. USing Sony Discman D303 which has SPDIF TOSLINK as transport , and connected to DAT deck Sony DTC-59ES as a DAC. :) Today, I do not care much.. I enjoy listening to anytthing for fu. Example,. listening to AM/SW broadcast stations, even though the SNR is low and sometimes full of noises.. Thank you.
I still use CDs and mosts of them are from 2000's and my latest CD i brought one was in 2013 i still have DVDs from 2005 and my personal home DVDs that i have family videos of me when I was 2 year old and some of my older cds and DVDs are rotting to is there anyway to save them
But are media actually kinds of art forms? And, in this context, is CD the most beautiful? Thanks again, my friend, for another wonderful and thought provoking chat!
Records are the best looking media for the same reason that Laserdiscs and CEDs are the best looking visual media even though quality-wise they're both beaten handily by BluRay and HD MKVs, their physical size means more to work with on the packaging!
@@fclefjefff4041 "They are both "records" and "vinyl." Not "vinyls."" Get the fuck off my lawn and go play round your own doors. 78s are records, 78s are generally not made of vinyl. 45s are also records, 45s are often made of polystyrene. Calling records vinyl is like calling cassette tape, ferric oxide (but not ferric oxides)
Good on you. Never thought I'd be agreeing with you, as good as the best vinyl can be, and at it's best, it is superb, on quality equipment, Cd outshines it dramatically. Completely flat frequency response, from lowest bass to extreme treble, almost complete lack of distortion, and no discernable background noise. Of course, it depends on quality mastering.
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Perfectly right! The same problem are the vinyl albums...not all are the good sound. For many editions quality îs poor...good mastering perhaps îs a big problem...or not? Excuse for my bad english...😟
Very correct! But we now at least got several good sized audiophile labels releasing proper vinyl versions like Speaker's Corner, Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions etc.A little research before buying vinyl, or CD, is needed, sadly, to get a good sounding option.
Great video. No other do this kind of comparisons and explain the difference. I just buy cd's after careful listening from streaming. Not one single bad sounding CD in my limited collection. Also good standard CDs. I still think it's better time used treating your room before spending time comparing formats.... The room can easily stand for 50% of the sound quality in your listening room.
I just bought a decent DAC and I rediscovered my CD collection which I had been considering getting rid of. And my CD player is just a bottom line Sony player. A good DAC between the CD player and Amp makes a huge difference. Cheers
Still remember Phillips coming out with the marketing crap "The perfect sound" Probably why all transports and DACs sound very different when its digital! CD ok for the car thats about it
The digital output of your player should be sending the same PCM frames if the error correction and decode works correctly so it’s really the DAC and amp that matter. Jitter in the reading of the disc should only matter if it’s above the readout rate of the buffer. The actual clock in your unit is more important than smoothness of the readout from the laser, but that’s part of what gets upgraded with the DAC, and thus still shouldn’t really matter how good they are in the CD player as you’re bypassing it. As long as the PCM is arriving a few frames early, your DAC has all the time it needs to use its stable clock and high quality path and all that. The only way your player could really be making it worse is if it’s getting a lot of partial reads that fail the error check but can’t be recovered, as it can “fudge” a PCM frame here and there if there’s dirt or other obstructions, such as if the laser diode is getting weak and getting partial reads. (Of course this can often be fixed by tuning them slightly brighter until they burn out altogether.)
Absolutly amazing video. This is excatly! what I think about CD (my favorite medium). FinalIy a good video about it so I can show others. I also want to mention, I have a lot of early (1980's until approximately 1990) CD's because they did not use compression in those days. Plus they are from analog sources. Some may sound a little flat and they're not all good because of the mastering. I always look at the codes and country's where they are from. Believe me each one sound's different even from the same year. There are countless topics on this on steve hoffman forum's etc. But if you pick the right cd with sometimes a little EQ tweak on your amp (yes witch is another point of discussion), Can sound amazing. Since the 2000's the good cd's are indeed mainly the special editon's, HDCD's etcetera or even DVD audio which to me is like an upgraded CD. But you talked about that in other video's... Thank you Anadialog!
If there's any truth in advertising - redbook CDs should have been "Consistent sound forever..." because if the mastering is good, redbook CD offers exellent sound quality, but if the mastering is bad, the result is consistently horrid.
@@pointsbeingmade7996 The better system is, the more it is vulnerable for any done modification because it is able to detect slightest variations of timbre.
Please add in the video description the links to the other videos you recommend to see also. I miss to jump to the other videos just because I don’t want to stop paying attention to this one. Thanks
May not be to everybody's taste, but I remember buying a copy of Hue and Cry's 'Remote' album on CD, back in the early 90's. At the time, I had a low budget, Sony midi hifi system, with a seperate matching CD player, and I was blown away by how that CD sounded. The detail, the depth, warmth, frequency response, and dynamic range were all amazing. The treble was so sweet, the vocals were clear and precise, and the bass was tight as a drum. And that little midi sized CD player brought out everything in that CD. Yes, it is very true, there are good and bad productions. But in terms of production quality and mastering, I haven't found many CD's since, that match the quality of Remote. You can still buy the CD as a double album, where disc 2 has a collection of live performances by Hue and Cry, and they are equally good. The double album is called "Bitter Suite" I believe, but includes the 'Remote' album.
@@zapazap That would be comical. I'd love a CD update that has Blu-ray coatings and durability as well as the latest bit-rot-protection. I guess you could make it the size of a 45 single, could be cool, but there's no point except for art size.
Perfect analysis about CD quality !!! Excellent video sie. I am also agree with ur analysis.I have also experience that some of audio cds (from bollywood music) sound excellent and rest of cds are at low level because of poor mastering.
Hi! My english isn't so good, sorry 😁 I think all formats have pro and cons , and no one is the better. I have turntables high end and cartridges too. Mc or mm. Also tapes decks with 2, 4 o 6 motors , and reel to reel ... But nothing like a good cd with a good cd player. By the way , my format fetiche is the cassette. Then, all formats have fun! A good archive in Flac , etc , with your netbook is much better that the best reel to reel. The audio is plenty of bla bla bla , you know. Cheers from Argentina
I have thousands of Vinyl and CD's but when choosing how I want to grow my ever expanding Music Empire, it's all about the Music and the cost that I consider the most. I'm willing to sacrifice some better sound quality you get from Vinyl just to have a much larger and far more varied Music Collection on CD. There's just no comparison on how much easier it is to grow an incredible music library if you go the way of CD's! Trust me!! The Music is so much more important to me over the actual format. I'd rather have 5,000 CD's than just 1,000 vinyl records. Not all vinyl is manufactured or mastered well either! I'm a major Vinyl owner and I can honestly tell you that for sure! Vinyl is so expensive and tends to get somewhat noisy after repeated plays which is definitely not the case with the Digital Audio World. CD's are so cheap now and you get far superior booklets and liner notes than the skimpy notes you get on vinyl which is usually just the list of tracks! CD's are great for adding bonus tracks too! They're portable and can be played on so many more types of units. There are just so many more advantages to CD's.
Thanks for making this video! CD was and should have been the format to end formats - mathematically demonstrated to be greater (for the most part) than the limits of human hearing! But the loudness wars put a stop to all that! I first noticed it around 10 years ago - I would put on a cd but after a few tracks would lose interest and drift off to do something else - I thought it was my attention span as I get older but it's actually the fact that music with no dynamics is BORING!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't engage the listener! I understand that some artists use compression as part of their sound (e.g. bands like Garbage) but the blanket application of compression to equalise volume across devices just results in bland, uninteresting music - why on earth do you need to apply compression like that to a singer-songwriter with just a guitar????? It's madness! So much so that I have returned to vinyl as my primary format. Fortunately there are still great CD recordings outside the mainstream areas of rock/pop e.g. in jazz and classical, and classical especially is perhaps where the wider dynamic range of a CD comes into its own! I rather suspect that at some point, the labels will cotton on to a new marketing "opportunity" and release better mastered CDs under the guise of a "loudness wars" edition!
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I LOVE RECORDS 💘, HOWEVER I'm still in the camp of CD's sound better. I'll never understand people saying records sound better. I have a better Than average set up too so it ain't that. A PROPERLY MASTERED CD still sounds better. Unfortunately for cost related reasons my vynil reawakening will be short lived till prices return to sane levels.
I concur. Records sound good and the have a certain asthetic appeal to them but Compact Discs sound better, have more dynamic range and less distortion.
I really appreciate your videos and thoughts, and you have given me great ideas for Music and Albums to search out on my collection journey... As a Musician, I would also like to hear, how purchasing physical media of all the Artists, get back to them monetarily? Like, If I buy a CD recorded by Aerosmith back in the day, do they see any part of that exchange? That was part of the deal when they recorded, right? I want to see the Artists that recorded them, get some $$as well during this uptick of CD interest... That is why I got back into physical media... :) Thank You again!
Hi there! Thanks for your comment. Well, it all depends from the original contract and the copyright agreement but I am sure major artists are covered, not so sure about minor ones. In any case I suggest to watch this other video I made where I touch this delicate topic: th-cam.com/video/YnSR1yZuIZ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VfeRPzlbvZIuW0nu
The secret of XRCD mastering is proper clocking, that's also the case with any other PCM pr DSD recording. Thanks for mentioning Bill Evans on XRCD, this is an excellent example of good music properly mastered (even if the sound recording was compromised by the equipment).Thanks to Orin Keepnews for recording this iconic performance.
I am a retired brit (male) who's formative years were from the late 1960's to mid 1970's so I had reel to reel tapes, LPs and Cassettes. I built a large library in early media format which I could not just ditch and replace all that with CD - some rare LP's just cannot be found on CD. Do I like CD's - yes but listen more to older formats and as time goes by I really get frustrated with the fragility of Jewel cases. Amazingly my best quality recording happens to be "J S Bach Toccata and Fugue" on Cassette which is absolutely fantastic Bon Cathedral Organ which you feel as well as hear. I have versions on CD and Vinyl but they are paler variants. I agree that a good mixing, recording, mastering and production is the key - all mediums can be exciting and wonderful - but somehow the engagement of Tape, Cassette or Vinyl works best for me as CD's with the track skip options etc. just spoil it a bit as one is tempted to be lazy or even disrespectful to an artist by skipping away and perhaps missing excellent music which should be heard as the artist intended.
In many ways I miss my REGA Apollo. Every time I used it I was always impressed. The primary reason I sold it and moved away from CD is storage space. CD jewel cases seem small until they’re not. Invariably I found myself ripping to flac and storing the media away elsewhere. Maybe one day I’ll bring it back into my life as a niche option but pound for pound investing in digital storage and a proper streaming setup is the only real path forward. I have about 5TB of music stored on a NAS and nary a jewel case in sight. It’s difficult to see how CD can overcome - at least in my own life - this being the more meaningful option.
Yes. From time to time I put out my old CD player out of nostalgia, but I get tired of it very quickly. Hard to beat a music server and streaming. I use Roon, which IMO provides a far richer metadata experience than vinyl or CD notes.
I’m 46 years old. I grew up in a house with eight tracks, vinyl records, cassette tapes, and CDs. And of now we have MP3 and WAV files. I’ve heard it all. I still have vinyl as well as CDs. I honestly feel like after over four decades of listening to music in many formats, I prefer CDs over vinyl. Vinyl is overrated. Nostalgia and our memories play more of a part in our love for vinyl than the actual sound in my opinion. I’ll take a CD any day. All the music I make and record I back up on CD. They sound fantastic.
I just recently started getting into SACD'S. There is some great sounding titles out there . Also they are releasing original "quad" mixes on SACD such as Santana and Earth, Wind and Fire albums. 👍
You love music be it analogue or digital, glad you are like that mate. By the way in my opinion and a bit from experience also, in the 80s, the companies like Sony/Philips and others did cut corners on ADC and DAC technology, so most of the CD's from that era suffered from it, because while the analogue mastering chain was amazing, when it arrived to the ADCs it was awful. Current ADCs are finally showing what a CD should have sounded like since the start. They only took 40 years give or take a decade to get there. :-D
I remember when CDs first came out. The promise was that CDs are “indestructible “ and would not scratch or skip like vinyl. It seemed that for the first few years, when they were expensive, this was true. Later on, after the format caught on, it seemed like a cheaper plastic was used, and the CD became almost as fragile as records, especially in that they were much easier to scratch and skipped more easily. Sound quality also went down too. The labels were worried about people copying CDs and piracy and all that I guess? It’s too bad really.
But still, having turned to vinyl a little more than an year and realizing how fragile it is (scratches affecting the noiseless sound) you realize that all that nonsense of not touching the CD surface and holding it from the edges didn't matter. You still take care but a scratch on a CD from the center going straight outward is not going to affect the playback. There's also corrective algorithms in players that make up for damaged pits on the CDs.
As they sought economies of scale certain manufacturing plants made thinner label surfaces and other such things. They were the actual protection for the data, not the clear plastic, which could indeed be scratched pretty deeply without affecting it. But the label side was vulnerable. When it was printed thinner, only a small nick to the label can cause a skip or a dropout. Even where you don’t see the damage with the naked eye, sometimes there’s just a small gouge that reduces the thickness just enough to let some light spill out and disrupt the detection.
Albums recorded in 1971 & before, were all recorded 100% with tube Analog recorders. Everything recorded in 1972 & after was recorded with digital transistors. All cds are recorded with digital transistors. The 1971 & before cds are partly vinyl recordings & part digital. Yes, older recordings on cds are part vinyl recordings. Some people discuss that cd is better than viyl, some cds are part vinyl. I would rather have 1971 & before recordings on cds, than new cds. I would rather have older recordings on cds , than 1972 & after transistor digital recordings on vinyl. There are still some people who record their new vinyl & cds with more expensive tube analod tape, like Kings Of Leon, & a few others. Most people like analog tube guitar amps, over digital transistor guitar amps. Most of todays digital cds have bands playing with analog tube amps, so most cds arent 100% digital. Many people like tube amps, or tube volume control on a transitor amp. Early seventies Sony & Pioneer had better hand wired with better parts transistor amps than today's integrated circuit amps that have to much wiring.
Very true, most productions really do not sound great, but is it really laziness or is it maybe music taste that has changed alot? With "garage sound" and "Lo-Fi" becoming more and more popular, of course combined with the left-overs from the loudness war.
I would love that too! :) The only way to be sure is to get XRCDs. Those are properly mastered and produced...incredible quality, unfortunately a little pricey. Here is a video I made: th-cam.com/video/iiUeBgMAfmM/w-d-xo.html
Let's face it, audiophiles welcome the vinyl revival as it gives them back their hobby. A return to all that wallet emptying tweaking is a godsend to them.
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Yes I had the same problem, I got a CD player in 1983, because it was marketed as the future of music, no hiss pops and clicks. But after a number of years I became very disappointed with the sound of the CD and I gave up on music. Then about a year ago I bought a turntable, amplifier and speakers from eBay and I’m now listening to vinyl again.
The only reason there is so many titles is because when cd came out people just got it because if there was dust on it or marks it still sounded good but it will never sound better than vinly and magnetic tape
I love this video. Thanks for explaining it. In your opinion have you heard any loss of quality. With a good AAD cd that Is ripped to (FLAC). Then played via a computer/music server and DAC. ...VS.... just playing the AAD CD with a good transport and DAC. I wonder if you have tried this and what is your expierence? thank you.
I did this several times in the past but not recently with quality gear like I have now...gotta try again. Thanks for this good point! I will let you know.
@@anadialog thanks for the response. Im planning to invest in CDs again. Rather than vinyl. I do enjoy vinyl. The hassle of storage, cleaning and needles. Is not for me anymore. As my friend has advised that playback from just a FLAC file to a DAC could possibly sound better. As there is less things to convert. well i look forward to hearing about your experience. Maybe you could make a video. Many thanks
I have a high end Sony XV-SA602 DVD-Audio/DVD Video/ Super VCD/VCD/CD player. Do you think this player would have a good quality DAC converter just by what this player is designed to do? Probably better than most CD players would you think? Oh, I have "A Wonderful World" by Tony Bennett and K.D .Lang released in 2002 in a regular/standard CD and a XRCD CD both. I can tell you that the XRCD CD version is so superior in sound to the standard CD version, I can't even express it! I also got some Bill Evans Trio XRCDs CDs and they sound so good I'm not even gonna bother getting the audiophile Vinyl LP versions. What's the point? Oh, I also Have "Jazz In the Pawn Shop" in XRCD, I agree, it's the gold standard! Thanks
In my opinion compact discs are great, I grew up with them, but like any music format weather it will be CD, digital file, records and cassettes, a high quality recording starts straight from the mastering and mixing. If it was mixed an mastered properly and not brick walled and compressed, then it’s gonna sound terrible. What’s The Story Morning Glory by Oasis is a perfect example of a poorly mastered album, that could have been a great sounding album, but was ruined! But you already covered that aspect, so I totally agree with you on that. Great video! 🙂
Yes, mastering is the key. People saying they can hear differences between CDs and SACDs or 96/24 and 44/16 just hear the difference in mastering. Or the difference in digital artefacts that were completely preventable in 44/16 with proper filtering, dithering etc.
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Classical music CDs in my view are good to excellent. So much wonderful classical music has been recorded and recently released in the CD format at reasonable prices. I agree that with a high quality CD/SACD player and DAC that may play or upload to DSD, in my opinion the CD is the most user friendly medium for musical enjoyment. Most popular music is badly mastered with compression and distortion that on a high quality music system sounds not so good as the vast majority of consumers own rather inexpensive playback systems and/who for the most part are not interested or cannot afford audiophile sound reproduction.
A lot of people are saying this and the reason why is because in Classical music, you do not compress as much. Full dynamics are required and preserved, plus the chain is just more accurate than pop and rock (sadly). Jazz is in the middle, but a little more towards the classical sphere.
@@anadialog Full frequency cd length were based of classical beethoven last symphony 74 minutes and its full range yes? As long as engineer wasn't a loudness war label yes man, masters to copies could sound great on cd and vinyl
I engineer at 92khz 24 bit master then copy to 44khz 16 bit cd 💿 and in car or home that 1978 format can't be beat imo I love analog vinyl too but much cheaper sell cds
*William Pearson's* comment is absolutely spot-on: it reflects my thoughts exactly that came to mind while watching this video. Classical music CDs often sound amazing, especially pieces of music for solo instruments, where you have an overwhelming feeling of realism, as if the musician and instrument were right there in the room.
used to think the same that badly overly compressed mastered music sound bad until i heard it in a really good sound system then it really sounded nice with almost no noticeable distortion then i realize my system was crap even though I put a lot of time tinkering by ear the only things that sounded good was music that has not been compressed so yeah most people will never understand this unless you have a good DAC and even then its hard to say if it sound correct if you don't have a clue what good sound is.
@@newdeep19 - Can you - or anyone else here - tell us about a very overly compressed recording of some music we're all very likely to be familiar with?
Title of the song - and from which album? So what is the difference like? Maybe like hearing a very cheap version MP3 file? And is the difference great enough that we could even hear it on a fairly good car stereo system? Or only hear it with a killer set of loudspeakers inside your house?
Physical medium. No DRM. No noise. No wear. No distortion of any type if mastered correctly, needle won't jump out of the groove if the bass is too high. Even the best Vinyl gets a bit screwy as you get nearer the spindle and the sound is compressed. Everything you said basically - But you said it better and added more!
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Needle never jumped a groove from over modulated cut on me after 15k hours in the dj booth. 20 years.
Vinyl is better, still is. Always was.
Even DSD512 doesn't sound as good.
Millenials know this, old vinyl sounds warmer (their word for the harmonic richness that digital strips out) to them after hearing only ripped streams all of their lives.
But I know the subject extremely well.
Your position that measurements are everything is a religious belief.
There is the big elephant in the room though: Convenience. I could never go back to the old clumsy way of loading a CD just to hear one or two songs from it, the rest being usually garbage.
@@sammencia7945 Vinyl can be very good if you invest 20k to a turn table. But still it will only have a 65db S/N. Same applies to old reel-to-reel...
@@sammencia7945 your subjective reasons are a religious belief.
I love CD's, they sound as good as the day I bought them, no matter how many times I played them.
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Exactly, I started buying CDs in 1986 and those still sound amazing, not any sound loss whatsoever. Basically, CDs if cared for properly are bound to last at minimum 50 to 100 years according to experts! I really doubt that vinyl will even approach such numbers in terms of longevity.
@@mansurkhan2764 Very obvious, Tape sounds better and very nice to the ear. The CD it hurts my ear.
Loudness war is why I collect old pressings from the 80s. Columbia, Polydor, Island, Warner and Vertigo are some of the labels that had great sounding CDs.
specially the 80's polydor cd's !
I buy original greatest hits by artists on cd..the reissues of the last decade are horrible and overcompressed.
@@lionheartroar3104 It's true. Everytime I want to make myself a Madonna compilation on CD, I always prefer to use the album versions of her early albums released on CD in the 80's. Because when you listen to her latest double-CD compilation "Celebration" released on 2009, the sound is very powerful yes, but in comparision everything else sounds ridiculously weak sounding because it's not the old CDs that are weak sounding it's this 2009 compilation that is absurdly boosted with bass and drums so loud that it hurts your ears when you listen to it with headphones. So even if her early albums are not loud, I can always adjust the volume to those tracks, that's all I have to do and it's very easy but softwares like the shareware Goldwave these days. But with tracks on recent compilations, you've got a powerful sound, yes but a truthful and reasonably good sound, definitely NO !
Same goes for the Depeche Mode album "Music For The Masses" re-release where the track 9 "Nothing" hurts your ears as well when you listen to it with headphones. I'll always prefer to listen to the original 1987 CD release and boost it's volume with a software than to listen to it's re-release over-saturated sound ! At least that way all the treble is there. It's not obliterated by the bass and drums.
Only record execs could be stupid enough to make one of the best music formats sound the worst.
It's not just a label or year of production, you have to go on a case by case basis to find the best version of a CD. Some imports for example might be from a different master and not over compressed. However, I start with the oldest UPC code I can find. The older CDs might need some work if you do your own remasters like I do but at least they are not clipped or have all the dynamics squished out of them. Van Halen was the best example I found. The new CDs are trashed but the older CDs (even with low levels of gain) still contain all the dynamic range and can still be saved after you get them ripped to digital.
When you factor in convenience, durability, affordability etc. the CD might very well be the best audio medium today.
Durability? A bad enough scratch renders the whole thing useless
@@jackedkerouac4414 Well yes but compared to vinyl it's rock solid.
@@harrybergmans746 My old LP fallen to floor and by the way contacted with sharp metal - scratch is visible from 2 meters. And no any crack in listening - it is only surface damage. If scratch is done by cartridge it makes of course harm but only to place of damage. I cant imagine CD playable at all with such crack.. Purchased 1st Mahler Symphony Titan on LP - mostly silent music - LP made in 60ties. at begining all dirty LP almost only cracked. Now after accurate cleaning it sounds like new - it works.
But CD is generally less convenient, less durable and more expensive than streaming. However, it is less expensive than vinyl and more compact, is cheap to get great sound from and provides for the collector in us, and is a more tactile experience than streaming. A pure CD-based system is actually a pretty good idea. However, I’m highly invested in my two sources for vinyl and streaming so it’s time has passed for me.
@@sensational_cellar8606 for audiophiles the CD was the last format that came with "active" listening. You had the physical cover art and liner notes to appreciate. We can sit here and discuss the sound quality and durability til our faces turn blue but the nostalgia of how we listened to cd music is a major factor in its resurgence. Not to mention actually owning that piece of music forever (well, almost)
I remember when my wife surprised me with a CD player for my birthday in 1985. She also bought 4 CDs which were harder to come by than players. I sold as many of my vinyl records as I possibly could just to buy more CDs. I never looked back. Weird thing is that my son is really into vinyl.
The paradox!
Not weird at all. I still have all my vinyl (and a lot of vinyl from friends and relatives who - just like you - got rid of them when going to CD) and enjoy it, a lot.
Lots of very good remastered re-issues nowadays and lots of new music on high quality vinyl as well.
And I also have a lot of CD - and I am still buying.
And don't rule out really good Minidisc recorders. I use a Tascam MD350 and the recordings sound great - still my personal audio go to.
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Your son is a hispter.
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CD has sooo much potential!!! All my CDs. Are 24 bit mastered. Dumbed down to 16 bit red book standard. The classical cds have super wide dynamic range. Whisper quiet to full roar. When CD is mastered correctly it sounds unbelievable
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Well mastered vinyl can also have good dynamic range. It's just that the vinyl and stylus medium is not capable of producing all the dynamic range that was recorded!
It’s intelligently dumbed down to 16 bit by using noise shaping. It’s brilliant, actually.
i stell use cds cause it very rare to found Cassettes and plus i dont have a record player and the vinys are very expensive plus i like using it on a movie player
Downloads are great but I still buy hundreds of CDs each year. No intention to stop that.
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For classical music lovers, cd still rule our world.
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.I like to listen LPs one by one in raw but after one CD I feel like enough. Seems to me that sopranos in CDs sound somewhat like normalized .
I only buy CDs. Being buying them since 1988. So that's my format.
If you listen to classical music try some analog mediums like LP to understand how GREAT and excellent are CDs!
Me too I have 700 of them
I'm glad that you covered this topic. I've heard some really stunning, true to life CDs as well as quite a few which were disappointing. Now that used CDs are plentiful and inexpensive, this is a good time to build a collection. In quite a few genres, major record companies are issuing huge box set anthologies of an artist's recordings at rather low prices. This is a way to keep the remaining CD pressing plants in operation, and also (to be honest) a method for maintaining copyright protection if governments make another series of copyright term extensions (in the US, pre-1972 recordings are in such a category, although it's complicated and hard to explain). I cannot tell you how many hours of listening I've gotten from Sony's 60-disc Leonard Bernstein Symphony Edition or the 144-disc Arthur Rubinstein Complete Recordings box set, the Bernstein box with very good sound quality and the Rubinstein box set featuring astonishingly good remastering of old recordings with a few actually pressed using JVC's XRCD masters.
I've seen others comment positively on classical music CDs. That is because for that genre there is particularl attention, hence a good recording and mastering.
The CD's that sound the best to me are usually the first pressing where they just transfer the master directly and don't remix or remaster it too much.
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I see your true passion for music and medias..
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Vinyl is subject to the loudness wars. This isn’t a CD issue. It’s a digital mixing and mastering issue.
Yeah people confuse the format with the mastering.
@@WDeranged there is a limit how loud you can go on vinyl. But this m pretty sure you can brickwall Nyquist and still get it on vinyl.
Case in point- Dire Straits.
Not so true. Some mediocre, pop top ten, releases yes, but the majority is less compressed than CDs and digital audio in general. It is intrinsec in the vinyl mastering. Plus we have a lot of reissues based on analog sources, yes, mostly processes in digital but not compressed as in purely digital audio. The paradox is in fact that we have more dynamic vinyl than digital formats.
@@anadialog It's kind of sad, because CDs have more dynamic range than vinyl. CDs were being held back by vinyl. And when vinyl finally died the first time, we were into the loudness wars already. We had the change to finally use CDs to their fullest potential, and no one ever did.
If the loudness wars had never happened, the 2000s could have been an era of music of unrivaled quality released on compact disc. Bun instead we got crap like Metallica's Death Magnetic.
Give me a decently mastered 44.1/16 bit over a poorly mastered HiRes any day of the week.
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Wow, one of (if not) the best video you have ever made!!!
Most classic cd’s are very good!
I agree.
I agree. Among them there are so many excellent classical music labels such as Archiv, Deutsche Grammophon, PHILIPS, Harmonia Mundi, DHM (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi), DECCA, EMI, RCA, TELDEC, Alpha, and some others that their CDs sound absolutely fantastic.
Against there are many many classical LPs, specifically LPs before 1980 that sounds bad or in some cases so bad!
I think classical music is better or should be listen on CD. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@@kamrankheradbeigi8754 The best classical CDs are recorded live using only two microphones from the 6th row seat position.
@@dreamdiction I don't know. I have no idea.
My friends at all the high-end stereo shops are laughing their tails off right now. I record vinyl to uncompressed WAV files to a cd. First I find the ORIGINAL vinyl album if I can. I try to use original vinyl albums. Later albums dont sound as good because the master tape wears, there is no permanent medium such as cd to store a master tape on. The stampers that make the original vinyl is better, because the stampers wear out years later. Even the quality of the new vinyl in stores today is inferior. Even the remasters are inferior to the original vinyl, even many cd remasters. Master tapes wear out over time, due to oxygen content from the air. Original vinyl sounds better because I use my friend's high-end turntable, that uses a pre amp for the turntable & special Rotel cartridge. I take it to every single high-end stereo store in my area, & every single one of them says vinyl is far better, even when WAV vinyl files are copied to a cd. . The vinyl WAV files copied to a cd sounds far better than a store bought. But the vinyl WAV file on a cd doesnt sound quite as good as the vinyl record, but it sounds very close. I listen to cds on a $1,000 Rega cd player. But the WAV files on a cd & a regular cd I play using High-end equipment & interconnects, similar to a computer. Computers dont have great sound, because of too much sorry components. My friend's turntable is very expensive, he has copied vinyl using the best MP3 files, that still sound better than store bought cds. I have a 100% analog recorded on a digital CD of Ry Cooder-Meeting by the River, 10 years later they decided to make a vinyl & cds of it using DIGITAL REMASTERS that were harsh sounding. I have on cd & vinyl digital copies of Patricia Warren- Famous Blue Raincoat that was remastered by Bernie Grundman for Mobile Fidelity using Analog tube equipment on cd & vinyl, that sounds better with a better less harsh tone. Real old Santana Abraxas is far better on vinyl. Alan Parsons is a digital album that is far better on vinyl. Click next link. th-cam.com/video/8ng6N5oXZ9M/w-d-xo.html Listen to the inferior cd or SACD. th-cam.com/video/8ng6N5oXZ9M/w-d-xo.html
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in CD's youth, the sound was heavily criticized. the testers criticized the cold treble and the flatness of the sound. Ten years later, the cheapest CD player from a famous company could sound better than their most expensive CD player in 1982.
I account it to progress in modelling of the sound of speakers. Which are made deliberately to shine with digital players but show deep weaknesses with "normal" analog
Most important point: not DRM encumbered!! Redbook CD is the most honest, open and consumer friendly digital format ever created!!
Not DRM-encumbered indeed, CDs are the last good format that is not DRM-encumbered in my opinion.
What is DRM? Digital rights management?
@@jonpatrick66 exactly
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@@fazlymawlarafi9331 DRM is there to stop theft, so in principal its good right?
Hello from New Zealand! Great video. I have definitely returned to CDs over the last couple of years. As the cost and ease of use just make listening more enjoyable. It's hard to relax and really listen when you have just spent 20 minutes getting frustrated with setting up your turntable. Not to mention, stewing over the 40 -70 dollars you just blew on a new piece of vinyl. I think for many collectors it is very hard to reconcile that they may have wasted thousands of dollars on vinyl when they could have supplemented their collections with compact discs (I collect both but I am very picky about the vinyl I now spend my money on). I have collected many great CDs from the op shop for 50 cents! This has allowed me to find better CD versions of titles I already own. For example, I found a Japanese pressing of London Calling which is far superior to the 2014 remaster I own. Or, an early Pitman pressing of Ten. I am noticing an end to vinyl snobbery and a return to the humble CD.
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I still enjoy collecting CDs (preowned ones) and in my experience, CDs manufactured up to about 1993 were usually well mastered with no loudness compression, came in very sturdy black jewel cases and overall feel like premium products, particularly since the quality of vinyl records was declining in the late 1980s. Around 1994, most new releases (with the exception of classical releases) began to use brickwall compression and there was also a general decline in the packaging quality around the same time.
Older CDs are in my opinion better than vinyl - they were typically mastered near identically and are free of all the surface noise associated with traditional records - in other words, they are capable of sounding like a mint condition vinyl record played on a high end turntable for the first time. I think the argument that vinyl is better came about mostly because of the declining quality of CD masters, which have since the mid 1990s tended to emphasise loudness over fidelity. When buying a old release used on CD, I will try where possible to buy an original 1980s/early 1990s CD rather than a post-mid 1990s remaster of the same recording.
The difference in clarity between an old 1980s mastered CD and a typical modern CD with brickwall compression is particularly noticeable on an old CD player designed for an era when brickwalled audio was not really a thing.
Compact Disc: The Best Audio Medium in the World... Nuff said!
Agree 100%. I love vinyl but we must reconize that Cd is the best option right now if you’d like to have fisical records and enjoy quality in your reproduction. Moreover, with offers available right now for cd box set you may buy 10 cd with the cost of 1 single vinyl...
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So 1978 no loudness war cd 44.1khz 16 bit still the best in 2021? Nice.
CD is time saving format. But if one has high requirements it starts to be very expensive system with all that cabling, filtering separation of units and costly DACs , bit rates required which makes system puzzling and source of conflicting opinions. .
@@Mikexception 💿 then rip wav hard drive #1
@@rustymixer2886 Same thing. . I am wondering why CD in box is so bulky - ,more even than hundreds meters of magnetic tape and it's transport in cassette .Probably it's due to quick access to each bit.
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With vinyl, one has approximately 200 plays before serious wear is apparent and that is with state of the art equipment.
My friend has had records for 60 years and he disagrees. The one he brought up is that he bought Night In Tunisia by Art Blakey when it came out in the early 60's and played it 5 times a week for months when it came out. Then slightly less after that but he still played it regularly. He estimates he played it over 500-600 times and there is very little to no sound degradation. The whole "you can only play it so many times" is a myth and only is true when you use a bad needle
It’s way more than just 200 plays.
@@Budd1234 Yep. If you use a good needle and take care of your LPs/EPs/singles they will live forever. I’m curious if the original commenter actually experienced that ‚serious wear‘ on one of his records. I must have played my first LP bought in 1987 to death on a cheap turntable and it still plays fine. Let’s wait for the first CDs to become unplayable though because their data is lost. I’m not sure if my first CDs bought in 1987 will still play in 30 years. So far though they still play fine too.
@@beetlebum7760 yeah exactly👍
I have Yamaha CDX-596 and it sounds great. Running that CD Player directly with only AMP output, no preamp....amazing
8-track and reel to reel, baby. The '70s rocked. Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Yes, Heart, Rush, Crosby Stills and Nash, Queen, Leonard Skinner, disco, punk, etc.
Don't forget snuff audio
I bought a Technics SLP-200 in July 1988 and the first CD I ever bought was Love Over Gold by Dire Straits along with Queen Greatest Hits all in the same day. I was broke but happy!
I’ve three full size players now, a Sony, Pioneer and Technics SL-P500 and I advise people to buy players to have as back up.
👍 to Telarc. I've had some Erich Kunzel soundtrack compilations that just sound wonderful. I think they're defunct now (or called Concord Music or something), but they absolutely didn't use compression in their recordings, or gates or anything else like that. They just focused on good mics, good placement of mics, good mixing boards, interconnecting cables, recorders, and on and on, and in the liner booklet they'd tell you exactly what was used. Mostly a classical label, they were to music production what Criterion is to films released on blu-ray and now streaming. Top quality.
Compact Disc has stood the test of time. It's been around for almost four decades. No other physical-digital medium has beaten it (though they were superior to CD by specs). The down-sides you list are not CD's fault.
vinyl and tape have both beaten it
@@johnholmes912 For me, not. Compact disc is still the go-to format when I'm to buy a new album. I know my CDs will play and sound the same in 10-20 years from now, which I cannot promise for tapes and LPs.
@@johnholmes912 "vinyl and tape have both beaten it"
No, they haven't. Reel to reel tape is the best analogue format, better than cassette, better than 8 track and better than records. Also, those records, mastered from the master as CDs.
The "record" in it's various iterations, has been around for over 130 years, beats CD's hands down in terms of longevity. What I don't like about CD's is the vulnerability of the medium. Ever heard of CD rot? I have 78RPM shellac discs that are over 100 years old, and I can still play them. Quite a few CD's I bought back in the 80's do not play any more. The underside disc surface has gotten cloudy and spotty. With digital files, it is all or nothing. You can have a crack in a record, but it's still playable. A chunk of the record may have broken off, but you can still play the remainder of the undamaged disc. Not so with CD's.
Now for sound quality, nothing beats digital when properly mastered and produced from either original master tapes or more recent fully digital recordings..
Albums recorded in 1971 & before, were all recorded 100% with tube Analog recorders. Everything recorded in 1972 & after was recorded with digital transistors. All cds are recorded with digital transistors. The 1971 & before cds are partly vinyl recordings & part digital. Yes, older recordings on cds are part vinyl recordings. Some people discuss that cd is better than viyl, some cds are part vinyl. I would rather have 1971 & before recordings on cds, than new cds. I would rather have older recordings on cds , than 1972 & after transistor digital recordings on vinyl. There are still some people who record their new vinyl & cds with more expensive tube analod tape, like Kings Of Leon, & a few others. Most people like analog tube guitar amps, over digital transistor guitar amps. Most of todays digital cds have bands playing with analog tube amps, so most cds arent 100% digital. Many people like tube amps, or tube volume control on a transitor amp. Early seventies Sony & Pioneer had better hand wired with better parts transistor amps than today's integrated circuit amps that have to much wiring.
Most albums I own are from bands that really weren't into the loudness war.
Also, I got an AMP and CD player from the early 90s and it's excellent!
I love vinyl and Digital music. The loudness wars were the bane of digital music. It's much harder to run a lacquer cutting head at OdB continuously than pushing up the digital levels. CDs are going to rebound just like vinyl did.
Maybe your typical brick and mortar box stores. I'm finding all kinds of new and used CDs online. Thrift stores are great too.
It's just the right combination of sound quality/fidelity (which is pretty excellent. Not mind blowing, but still excellent), cost of medium and cost of equipment.
A decent CD player can be had for not a lot of money and provided that the speakers/amp (whether separate or built in) and/or headphones are adequate, it can be the best sounding piece of kit in that particular price range.
The CDs themselves also cost pennies to produce, whether they be commercially pressed or blank media for home recording.
Of course spending more gets you more, but going just on a price/performance ratio CD is hard to beat. Not to mention all the additional hassle and cost of tape deck/turntable maintenance that just isn't a thing with CDs.
CDs give you so good sound so easily that some people literally get bored and go back to vinyl. I don’t blame them either, vinyl is fun but you can’t deny the absolute menace of quality the CD has
The one and only thing is how well it was recorded, no matter the format
Yes, that is number 1, but a bad mastering can kill even the most hi-fi of recordings
@Jingle Nuts In many cases the mastering engineers don't care, because those who make the music don't care. A lot of music out there isn't created for the soul, but for the money. And since those who listens to that kind of stuff for the most don't care about quality, and play it on cheap systems, then why bother? It's a question about getting it smacked together fast, so the cash can start rollin' in.
My friends at all the high-end stereo shops are laughing their tails off right now. I record vinyl to uncompressed WAV files to a cd. First I find the ORIGINAL vinyl album if I can. I try to use original vinyl albums. Later albums dont sound as good because the master tape wears, there is no permanent medium such as cd to store a master tape on. The stampers that make the original vinyl is better, because the stampers wear out years later. Even the quality of the new vinyl in stores today is inferior. Even the remasters are inferior to the original vinyl, even many cd remasters. Master tapes wear out over time, due to oxygen content from the air. Original vinyl sounds better because I use my friend's high-end turntable, that uses a pre amp for the turntable & special Rotel cartridge. I take it to every single high-end stereo store in my area, & every single one of them says vinyl is far better, even when WAV vinyl files are copied to a cd. . The vinyl WAV files copied to a cd sounds far better than a store bought. But the vinyl WAV file on a cd doesnt sound quite as good as the vinyl record, but it sounds very close. I listen to cds on a $1,000 Rega cd player. But the WAV files on a cd & a regular cd I play using High-end equipment & interconnects, similar to a computer. Computers dont have great sound, because of too much sorry components. My friend's turntable is very expensive, he has copied vinyl using the best MP3 files, that still sound better than store bought cds. I have a 100% analog recorded on a digital CD of Ry Cooder-Meeting by the River, 10 years later they decided to make a vinyl & cds of it using DIGITAL REMASTERS that were harsh sounding. I have on cd & vinyl digital copies of Patricia Warren- Famous Blue Raincoat that was remastered by Bernie Grundman for Mobile Fidelity using Analog tube equipment on cd & vinyl, that sounds better with a better less harsh tone. Real old Santana Abraxas is far better on vinyl. Alan Parsons is a digital album that is far better on vinyl. Click next link. th-cam.com/video/8ng6N5oXZ9M/w-d-xo.html Listen to the inferior cd or SACD. th-cam.com/video/8ng6N5oXZ9M/w-d-xo.html
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How about thousands for a mediocre dac for cds, or files that getl lost that dont sound as good as cd, or sacds, or dsd streaming. Or files that you buy that gets lost. At least vinyl is cheap on ebat used. How about copying youtube free vinyl files to WAV that dont wear out like vinyl. So people think free isnt worth doing..
Alright, I think I might be willing to give CD's a try
I use vintage Panasonic LD player to play my CDs. It sounds good - as i think they have made good quality DAC on that era..
I totally agree with everything you say, the great labels , the production levels, Telarc, Blue Note etc etc. I just picked up the two Pawn Shop Jazz cds for a buck each. Totally incredible sound, you are so right. A year ago I found an Arcam 7SE deck after reading about how good they are. Man, I am not disappointed! Everything I listen too is fresh again.
Thank you. Semi pro mixing / mastering guy here. I can't even explain to my children anymore that mastering at CD standards outperforms their spotify streams by miles. I have never discarded my cd collection - keep it for times when decent DAC units re-emerge. Until then I mix and master at 24 bit in 44100 Hz for WAV or 48000 Hz lossless FLAC. By experience i now know that youtube audio can beat shitty streaming platforms
Don't give up and make them truly LISTEN! :-)
I think you hit the nail on the head. I agree with all the points you made. Compression and bad mastering are on the top of my list. Thanks!
Great overview, I have rediscovered vinyl but have thousands of CDs and many of these are really excellent and significantly more affordable and available than vinyl. There is room for both formats. I have a Denon set up which plays both vinyl and CDs well. I am a big fan of Japanese pressing for both vinyl and CD.
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Yes Japanese CD's & Vinyl sound amazing
I have Japanese vinyl which is awesome but I didn't realise that Japanese CD's are a "thing." I'll need to check it out as the humble Compact Disc is my favourite format.
I like CD's. Always have. Been easier in the 80's to have a party and keep the music going as opposed to vinyl record stacker slamming down the records. CD's were great in the car too. I still listen to my CD's on my ol NAD CD recorder (C-660). Vinyl is more engaging to be sure, but the listening time is so short compared to compact discs.
I feel like the price is going up a little. I am still buying records/tapes/CD. I enjoy them all!
Yes what you just mentioned above is the huge problem with cds. That's the reason one has to go hunting for a decent recording that should have been done in the first place. Great job keep it up.
Thank you for recommending those two albums, the Otis Taylor's and Jazz at the pawnshop. Amazing, they sound great on my HD6XX.
Great, thanks for the feedback!
Guido, that title almost made me fall out of my chair! Seriously, though, this is, I think, one of your best videos. And not just because I agree with nearly every word of it!
Early CD players were partly to blame for audiophiles being slow to accept CD's. All the first-generation players had analog reconstruction filters and no oversampling, so they produced phase errors and ripples in the frequency response throughout the top two octaves. And Philips didn't make things any better when for years their CD players used 14-bit DAC's, simply ignoring the two least-significant bits and quadrupling distortion. And many of the first CD reissues of analog albums were mistakenly made from the vinyl-mastered tapes meant for making LP's, not the original two-track tapes that had not been mastered for vinyl.
I'd like to add one more source of bad CD sound: bad pressings. Like vinyl, CD's suffer from bad pressings. I have had a number of new CD's that look perfect but will not rip to WAV's on my computer because they cannot be read perfectly. The software I use will not accept any sample that did not read perfectly; it doesn't do error concealment. And it will read the same data over and over until it either reads the data correctly or eventually times out and gives up. Bad pressings are to blame for this. CD players will play these disks because they use both error correction and error concealment, but the latter function only estimates the values of the missing bytes of data, and so the sound suffers.
Great video. Maybe mine will be half as good eventually.
This is obviously an hyperbole. 5:50 remains my true and firm opinion.
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@E. O. It would.
I have been saying for a bit now that I think CDs will make a come back. With HDD being as cheap as they are, and CDs being as cheap as they are it is one hell of a match. A 1tb drive for 100 bucks can hold 25k songs.
@Jingle Nuts Yea I hear ya I think I read the 25k was 300 something bitrate mp3 and that was higher than most streaming so I based it off of that. Your file quality might vary so to say. But yea we are on the same page. You get it. Back when CDs came out that kind of HDD space was on heard of. Make your own steaming service for you and your friends and family. 2 dollar CDs on ebay.
@Jingle Nuts Thats just that. I am not trying to use CDs for the highest fidelity. Well not most of the time any way. I mean if I come across a MOFI or something. I think they fit into a more casual setting. More of a custom streaming library you control. With stuff you own and collect. I mean really we all like collection shit.
@Jingle Nuts Like I said.. Your quality will vary. But you see what I am saying.
@Jingle Nuts PS you have a good day Jingle Nuts.
Which format?.
16 bit and 44100Hz .wav file?.
Or .FLAC file?.
Lossy MP3, OGG, ACC?.
i use music CDs for modern day use such as giving copies of my music to others. there has not been a problem with it since i started
TLARC: Yes, my favorite. They recorded audio in full digital processes.
Back in early 1990's the seperate DAC + transporter is very rare and very expensive too. Examples: Sony CDP-R1 + DAS-R1. Anyway I dit cheaply. USing Sony Discman D303 which has SPDIF TOSLINK as transport , and connected to DAT deck Sony DTC-59ES as a DAC. :)
Today, I do not care much.. I enjoy listening to anytthing for fu. Example,. listening to AM/SW broadcast stations, even though the SNR is low and sometimes full of noises..
Thank you.
I still use CDs and mosts of them are from 2000's and my latest CD i brought one was in 2013 i still have DVDs from 2005 and my personal home DVDs that i have family videos of me when I was 2 year old and some of my older cds and DVDs are rotting to is there anyway to save them
But are media actually kinds of art forms? And, in this context, is CD the most beautiful? Thanks again, my friend, for another wonderful and thought provoking chat!
Records are the best looking media for the same reason that Laserdiscs and CEDs are the best looking visual media even though quality-wise they're both beaten handily by BluRay and HD MKVs, their physical size means more to work with on the packaging!
And yes, I remember records the first time round, they're *records* not vinyl!
@@GeoNeilUK They are both "records" and "vinyl." Not "vinyls."
@@fclefjefff4041 "They are both "records" and "vinyl." Not "vinyls.""
Get the fuck off my lawn and go play round your own doors.
78s are records, 78s are generally not made of vinyl. 45s are also records, 45s are often made of polystyrene.
Calling records vinyl is like calling cassette tape, ferric oxide (but not ferric oxides)
@@GeoNeilUK Okay Poindexter 😄
Good on you. Never thought I'd be agreeing with you, as good as the best vinyl can be, and at it's best, it is superb, on quality equipment, Cd outshines it dramatically. Completely flat frequency response, from lowest bass to extreme treble, almost complete lack of distortion, and no discernable background noise. Of course, it depends on quality mastering.
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Perfectly right! The same problem are the vinyl albums...not all are the good sound. For many editions quality îs poor...good mastering perhaps îs a big problem...or not? Excuse for my bad english...😟
Very correct! But we now at least got several good sized audiophile labels releasing proper vinyl versions like Speaker's Corner, Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions etc.A little research before buying vinyl, or CD, is needed, sadly, to get a good sounding option.
True Bjørnar!
Great video. No other do this kind of comparisons and explain the difference. I just buy cd's after careful listening from streaming. Not one single bad sounding CD in my limited collection. Also good standard CDs. I still think it's better time used treating your room before spending time comparing formats.... The room can easily stand for 50% of the sound quality in your listening room.
I just bought a decent DAC and I rediscovered my CD collection which I had been considering getting rid of. And my CD player is just a bottom line Sony player. A good DAC between the CD player and Amp makes a huge difference. Cheers
Absolutely!
a good transport is an even better investment
Still remember Phillips coming out with the marketing crap "The perfect sound"
Probably why all transports and DACs sound very different when its digital!
CD ok for the car thats about it
The digital output of your player should be sending the same PCM frames if the error correction and decode works correctly so it’s really the DAC and amp that matter. Jitter in the reading of the disc should only matter if it’s above the readout rate of the buffer.
The actual clock in your unit is more important than smoothness of the readout from the laser, but that’s part of what gets upgraded with the DAC, and thus still shouldn’t really matter how good they are in the CD player as you’re bypassing it. As long as the PCM is arriving a few frames early, your DAC has all the time it needs to use its stable clock and high quality path and all that.
The only way your player could really be making it worse is if it’s getting a lot of partial reads that fail the error check but can’t be recovered, as it can “fudge” a PCM frame here and there if there’s dirt or other obstructions, such as if the laser diode is getting weak and getting partial reads. (Of course this can often be fixed by tuning them slightly brighter until they burn out altogether.)
@@kaitlyn__L Cheers
Absolutly amazing video. This is excatly! what I think about CD (my favorite medium). FinalIy a good video about it so I can show others. I also want to mention, I have a lot of early (1980's until approximately 1990) CD's because they did not use compression in those days. Plus they are from analog sources. Some may sound a little flat and they're not all good because of the mastering. I always look at the codes and country's where they are from. Believe me each one sound's different even from the same year. There are countless topics on this on steve hoffman forum's etc. But if you pick the right cd with sometimes a little EQ tweak on your amp (yes witch is another point of discussion), Can sound amazing. Since the 2000's the good cd's are indeed mainly the special editon's, HDCD's etcetera or even DVD audio which to me is like an upgraded CD. But you talked about that in other video's... Thank you Anadialog!
Loudness war... The compression in the studios was driven by radio station play top lists in the 80s and 90s.
I never stopped buying CDs. It's my favorite format. I love vinyl, but I have twice as many CDs than vinyl records.
I Agree With you, i have Made the Same experience👍🔊
Got my early Sony SACD player back from a service yesterday - happy days! Great video.
When a thing becomes perfect like CDs their romanticism is lost!
Excellent video. Also, CDs are the easiest way to create physical playlists.
If there's any truth in advertising - redbook CDs should have been "Consistent sound forever..." because if the mastering is good, redbook CD offers exellent sound quality, but if the mastering is bad, the result is consistently horrid.
40 years old today - at least we for those of us in Oz. May the format live on for many more birthdays.
HiFi is so complicated with so many moving parts that it is nearly impossible to get optimized esp in our busy albeit technologically advanced lives
Great point one change like new speakers changes the whole reproduction
@@pointsbeingmade7996 The better system is, the more it is vulnerable for any done modification because it is able to detect slightest variations of timbre.
Please add in the video description the links to the other videos you recommend to see also. I miss to jump to the other videos just because I don’t want to stop paying attention to this one. Thanks
You're right, thanks for the suggestion!
Jazz at the Pawnshop gets a bad rap for the quality of the playing but I've always liked that but to some it's swing era stuff in the post bop era.
May not be to everybody's taste, but I remember buying a copy of Hue and Cry's 'Remote' album on CD, back in the early 90's.
At the time, I had a low budget, Sony midi hifi system, with a seperate matching CD player, and I was blown away by how that CD sounded. The detail, the depth, warmth, frequency response, and dynamic range were all amazing. The treble was so sweet, the vocals were clear and precise, and the bass was tight as a drum. And that little midi sized CD player brought out everything in that CD.
Yes, it is very true, there are good and bad productions. But in terms of production quality and mastering, I haven't found many CD's since, that match the quality of Remote. You can still buy the CD as a double album, where disc 2 has a collection of live performances by Hue and Cry, and they are equally good. The double album is called "Bitter Suite" I believe, but includes the 'Remote' album.
Nice!
The perfection would be a cd with the size of an vinyl so that we can have the practicity of the former and the visibility of the last .
An audio equivalent of LaserDisc 😉
maybe if it had the anti-scratch coating of a bluray
Keep the CD size. Package at LP size.
@@zapazap That would be comical. I'd love a CD update that has Blu-ray coatings and durability as well as the latest bit-rot-protection. I guess you could make it the size of a 45 single, could be cool, but there's no point except for art size.
@@jon4715 45 size would still be manageable. :)
Perfect analysis about CD quality !!! Excellent video sie. I am also agree with ur analysis.I have also experience that some of audio cds (from bollywood music) sound excellent and rest of cds are at low level because of poor mastering.
Hi!
My english isn't so good, sorry 😁
I think all formats have pro and cons , and no one is the better.
I have turntables high end and cartridges too.
Mc or mm.
Also tapes decks with 2, 4 o 6 motors , and reel to reel ...
But nothing like a good cd with a good cd player.
By the way , my format fetiche is the cassette.
Then, all formats have fun!
A good archive in Flac , etc , with your netbook is much better that the best reel to reel.
The audio is plenty of bla bla bla , you know.
Cheers from Argentina
I have thousands of Vinyl and CD's but when choosing how I want to grow my ever expanding Music Empire, it's all about the Music and the cost that I consider the most.
I'm willing to sacrifice some better sound quality you get from Vinyl just to have a much larger and far more varied Music Collection on CD. There's just no comparison on how much easier it is to grow an incredible music library if you go the way of CD's! Trust me!!
The Music is so much more important to me over the actual format. I'd rather have 5,000 CD's than just 1,000 vinyl records. Not all vinyl is manufactured or mastered well either!
I'm a major Vinyl owner and I can honestly tell you that for sure!
Vinyl is so expensive and tends to get somewhat noisy after repeated plays which is definitely not the case with the Digital Audio World. CD's are so cheap now and you get far superior booklets and liner notes than the skimpy notes you get on vinyl which is usually just the list of tracks! CD's are great for adding bonus tracks too! They're portable and can be played on so many more types of units.
There are just so many more advantages to CD's.
Thanks for making this video! CD was and should have been the format to end formats - mathematically demonstrated to be greater (for the most part) than the limits of human hearing! But the loudness wars put a stop to all that! I first noticed it around 10 years ago - I would put on a cd but after a few tracks would lose interest and drift off to do something else - I thought it was my attention span as I get older but it's actually the fact that music with no dynamics is BORING!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't engage the listener! I understand that some artists use compression as part of their sound (e.g. bands like Garbage) but the blanket application of compression to equalise volume across devices just results in bland, uninteresting music - why on earth do you need to apply compression like that to a singer-songwriter with just a guitar????? It's madness! So much so that I have returned to vinyl as my primary format. Fortunately there are still great CD recordings outside the mainstream areas of rock/pop e.g. in jazz and classical, and classical especially is perhaps where the wider dynamic range of a CD comes into its own! I rather suspect that at some point, the labels will cotton on to a new marketing "opportunity" and release better mastered CDs under the guise of a "loudness wars" edition!
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I copy $10,000 turntable youtube mp3 to cd & it sounds much better than store bought cds. I get the benefit of vinyl on cd that dont wear out. Some will disagree with me that lack understanding to know how to do or even hear it. The first link is cd. Click links to show vinyl blows cd away. th-cam.com/video/J7ATTjg7tpE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/GOmkv9qsS1o/w-d-xo.html
Could you please make a list of the best sounding CDs (not SACD, normal CD) that you have ever heard? That would be much appreciated
I LOVE RECORDS 💘, HOWEVER I'm still in the camp of CD's sound better. I'll never understand people saying records sound better. I have a better Than average set up too so it ain't that. A PROPERLY MASTERED CD still sounds better. Unfortunately for cost related reasons my vynil reawakening will be short lived till prices return to sane levels.
I concur. Records sound good and the have a certain asthetic appeal to them but Compact Discs sound better, have more dynamic range and less distortion.
@@freeman10000 I agree. I'll never understand people who think records sound better than CD. We just like them better.
I really appreciate your videos and thoughts, and you have given me great ideas for Music and Albums to search out on my collection journey... As a Musician, I would also like to hear, how purchasing physical media of all the Artists, get back to them monetarily? Like, If I buy a CD recorded by Aerosmith back in the day, do they see any part of that exchange? That was part of the deal when they recorded, right? I want to see the Artists that recorded them, get some $$as well during this uptick of CD interest... That is why I got back into physical media... :) Thank You again!
Hi there! Thanks for your comment. Well, it all depends from the original contract and the copyright agreement but I am sure major artists are covered, not so sure about minor ones. In any case I suggest to watch this other video I made where I touch this delicate topic: th-cam.com/video/YnSR1yZuIZ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VfeRPzlbvZIuW0nu
The secret of XRCD mastering is proper clocking, that's also the case with any other PCM pr DSD recording.
Thanks for mentioning Bill Evans on XRCD, this is an excellent example of good music properly mastered (even if the sound recording was compromised by the equipment).Thanks to Orin Keepnews for recording this iconic performance.
pcm? you have to introduce loads of distortion just to make it sound remotely musical
I am a retired brit (male) who's formative years were from the late 1960's to mid 1970's so I had reel to reel tapes, LPs and Cassettes. I built a large library in early media format which I could not just ditch and replace all that with CD - some rare LP's just cannot be found on CD.
Do I like CD's - yes but listen more to older formats and as time goes by I really get frustrated with the fragility of Jewel cases. Amazingly my best quality recording happens to be "J S Bach Toccata and Fugue" on Cassette which is absolutely fantastic Bon Cathedral Organ which you feel as well as hear. I have versions on CD and Vinyl but they are paler variants.
I agree that a good mixing, recording, mastering and production is the key - all mediums can be exciting and wonderful - but somehow the engagement of Tape, Cassette or Vinyl works best for me as CD's with the track skip options etc. just spoil it a bit as one is tempted to be lazy or even disrespectful to an artist by skipping away and perhaps missing excellent music which should be heard as the artist intended.
I hear ya! Long live tape!
In many ways I miss my REGA Apollo. Every time I used it I was always impressed. The primary reason I sold it and moved away from CD is storage space. CD jewel cases seem small until they’re not. Invariably I found myself ripping to flac and storing the media away elsewhere. Maybe one day I’ll bring it back into my life as a niche option but pound for pound investing in digital storage and a proper streaming setup is the only real path forward. I have about 5TB of music stored on a NAS and nary a jewel case in sight. It’s difficult to see how CD can overcome - at least in my own life - this being the more meaningful option.
Yes. From time to time I put out my old CD player out of nostalgia, but I get tired of it very quickly. Hard to beat a music server and streaming. I use Roon, which IMO provides a far richer metadata experience than vinyl or CD notes.
I’m 46 years old. I grew up in a house with eight tracks, vinyl records, cassette tapes, and CDs. And of now we have MP3 and WAV files. I’ve heard it all. I still have vinyl as well as CDs. I honestly feel like after over four decades of listening to music in many formats, I prefer CDs over vinyl. Vinyl is overrated. Nostalgia and our memories play more of a part in our love for vinyl than the actual sound in my opinion. I’ll take a CD any day. All the music I make and record I back up on CD. They sound fantastic.
Mp3 and Wav files are also over 25 years old and Wav is maybe more, and mp3 became popular in the late 1990s, and now they stream it more, etc...
When CDs first came out, they were only made in Germany or Japan. I had to pay $33 each until they started making them I'm the U.S.A.
I just recently started getting into SACD'S. There is some great sounding titles out there . Also they are releasing original "quad" mixes on SACD such as Santana and Earth, Wind and Fire albums. 👍
The 80s had the best music overall and it introduced the best audio medium.
The 80's 😂😂😂😂
You love music be it analogue or digital, glad you are like that mate. By the way in my opinion and a bit from experience also, in the 80s, the companies like Sony/Philips and others did cut corners on ADC and DAC technology, so most of the CD's from that era suffered from it, because while the analogue mastering chain was amazing, when it arrived to the ADCs it was awful. Current ADCs are finally showing what a CD should have sounded like since the start. They only took 40 years give or take a decade to get there. :-D
I remember when CDs first came out. The promise was that CDs are “indestructible “ and would not scratch or skip like vinyl. It seemed that for the first few years, when they were expensive, this was true. Later on, after the format caught on, it seemed like a cheaper plastic was used, and the CD became almost as fragile as records, especially in that they were much easier to scratch and skipped more easily. Sound quality also went down too. The labels were worried about people copying CDs and piracy and all that I guess? It’s too bad really.
Bought 4 CD's for car 2 months ago, 3 are already playing up and handled correctly.
But still, having turned to vinyl a little more than an year and realizing how fragile it is (scratches affecting the noiseless sound) you realize that all that nonsense of not touching the CD surface and holding it from the edges didn't matter. You still take care but a scratch on a CD from the center going straight outward is not going to affect the playback. There's also corrective algorithms in players that make up for damaged pits on the CDs.
As they sought economies of scale certain manufacturing plants made thinner label surfaces and other such things. They were the actual protection for the data, not the clear plastic, which could indeed be scratched pretty deeply without affecting it. But the label side was vulnerable. When it was printed thinner, only a small nick to the label can cause a skip or a dropout. Even where you don’t see the damage with the naked eye, sometimes there’s just a small gouge that reduces the thickness just enough to let some light spill out and disrupt the detection.
Albums recorded in 1971 & before, were all recorded 100% with tube Analog recorders. Everything recorded in 1972 & after was recorded with digital transistors. All cds are recorded with digital transistors. The 1971 & before cds are partly vinyl recordings & part digital. Yes, older recordings on cds are part vinyl recordings. Some people discuss that cd is better than viyl, some cds are part vinyl. I would rather have 1971 & before recordings on cds, than new cds. I would rather have older recordings on cds , than 1972 & after transistor digital recordings on vinyl. There are still some people who record their new vinyl & cds with more expensive tube analod tape, like Kings Of Leon, & a few others. Most people like analog tube guitar amps, over digital transistor guitar amps. Most of todays digital cds have bands playing with analog tube amps, so most cds arent 100% digital. Many people like tube amps, or tube volume control on a transitor amp. Early seventies Sony & Pioneer had better hand wired with better parts transistor amps than today's integrated circuit amps that have to much wiring.
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Very true, most productions really do not sound great, but is it really laziness or is it maybe music taste that has changed alot?
With "garage sound" and "Lo-Fi" becoming more and more popular, of course combined with the left-overs from the loudness war.
never in the field of human commerce has a product offered so much, and delivered so little
Amen
Thanx to the damn shitty record companies !!
Thanks for review. Would be great to receive recommendations on how to proceed before buying CD in order to get good quality of sound.
I would love that too! :) The only way to be sure is to get XRCDs. Those are properly mastered and produced...incredible quality, unfortunately a little pricey. Here is a video I made: th-cam.com/video/iiUeBgMAfmM/w-d-xo.html
Let's face it, audiophiles welcome the vinyl revival as it gives them back their hobby. A return to all that wallet emptying tweaking is a godsend to them.
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I copy $10,000 turntable youtube mp3 to cd & it sounds much better than store bought cds. I get the benefit of vinyl on cd that dont wear out. Some will disagree with me that lack understanding to know how to do or even hear it. The first link is cd. Click links to show vinyl blows cd away. th-cam.com/video/J7ATTjg7tpE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/GOmkv9qsS1o/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your accuracy … best regards from France !
Bad sounding CD's pushed me into vinyl:)
...and bad sounding vinyl pushed me to CDs back in '84!! ;)
😁 Everything îs relatively....
you can digitize your vinyls and burn them on CDs.
Yes I had the same problem, I got a CD player in 1983, because it was marketed as the future of music, no hiss pops and clicks. But after a number of years I became very disappointed with the sound of the CD and I gave up on music. Then about a year ago I bought a turntable, amplifier and speakers from eBay and I’m now listening to vinyl again.
@@net_news Correct, but sadly what you end up with is the flaws of both formats.
Started collecting CDs recently. All my favorites from the past & so cheap!
The only reason there is so many titles is because when cd came out people just got it because if there was dust on it or marks it still sounded good but it will never sound better than vinly and magnetic tape
Against you, as a musician I strongly believe that LPs will never sound better than CDs.
LPs are just a cool way of music listening.
Just that!
I got some of the new Blue Note XRCD's and they sound drop dead fantastic.
I love this video. Thanks for explaining it. In your opinion have you heard any loss of quality. With a good AAD cd that Is ripped to (FLAC). Then played via a computer/music server and DAC. ...VS.... just playing the AAD CD with a good transport and DAC. I wonder if you have tried this and what is your expierence? thank you.
I did this several times in the past but not recently with quality gear like I have now...gotta try again. Thanks for this good point! I will let you know.
@@anadialog thanks for the response. Im planning to invest in CDs again. Rather than vinyl. I do enjoy vinyl. The hassle of storage, cleaning and needles. Is not for me anymore. As my friend has advised that playback from just a FLAC file to a DAC could possibly sound better. As there is less things to convert. well i look forward to hearing about your experience. Maybe you could make a video. Many thanks
I have a high end Sony XV-SA602 DVD-Audio/DVD Video/ Super VCD/VCD/CD player. Do you think this player would have a good quality DAC converter just by what this player is designed to do? Probably better than most CD players would you think? Oh, I have "A Wonderful World" by Tony Bennett and K.D .Lang released in 2002 in a regular/standard CD and a XRCD CD both. I can tell you that the XRCD CD version is so superior in sound to the standard CD version, I can't even express it! I also got some Bill Evans Trio XRCDs CDs and they sound so good I'm not even gonna bother getting the audiophile Vinyl LP versions. What's the point? Oh, I also Have "Jazz In the Pawn Shop" in XRCD, I agree, it's the gold standard! Thanks
I am sure it's a good DAC, clearly a quality dedicated one, I.e. standalone, will be by far superior
I think you did an excellent job explaining this issue. ..... Very well done! ... Thank you for the video.
In my opinion compact discs are great, I grew up with them, but like any music format weather it will be CD, digital file, records and cassettes, a high quality recording starts straight from the mastering and mixing. If it was mixed an mastered properly and not brick walled and compressed, then it’s gonna sound terrible. What’s The Story Morning Glory by Oasis is a perfect example of a poorly mastered album, that could have been a great sounding album, but was ruined!
But you already covered that aspect, so I totally agree with you on that. Great video! 🙂
Yes, mastering is the key. People saying they can hear differences between CDs and SACDs or 96/24 and 44/16 just hear the difference in mastering. Or the difference in digital artefacts that were completely preventable in 44/16 with proper filtering, dithering etc.
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